ESR - LG fights - Quake Live Forum

<< Comment #1 @ 15:43 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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maza

repeat a million times and eventually you become better

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<< Comment #2 @ 15:55 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Musicofmelkor

get a 120 hz monitor
cl_maxpackets 125
make your lg as thin as possible
use a high true lightning setting(1 is a good setting)
learn to be unpredictable while still having good aim (have to be good with both hands to do this. this is the true mark of a good lg aimer)
or
just be a queer and use a zoom fov(it's not a cheat, but its cheap to do, imo)

Edited by Musicofmelkor at 15:56 CDT, 27 August 2012

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<< Comment #3 @ 16:13 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Deadlynoob - Reply to #2

TIL zooming is cheap.

<< Comment #12 @ 18:32 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #2

fuck i need a 120hz and thin lg

<< Comment #30 @ 03:35 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #12

inb4 60% lg

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<< Comment #242 @ 04:04 CDT, 3 June 2013 >>

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Rothaarig3 - Reply to #12

i like the QW one from wolfcam & the big fat one with all gfx

id should add that one from wolfcam to the config

<< Comment #15 @ 21:48 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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dogja - Reply to #2

how is zooming cheap, if you meant zooming that is

<< Comment #23 @ 23:28 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Musicofmelkor - Reply to #15

lg fight a better player on thunderstrike while using fov 90( 200/200 settings.
make sure he knows not to zoom lg)
after you get whupped
redo a 10 round lg match
switch to fov 60 for lg and tell me how it goes
there's a much better chance you're going to win now, possibly without even breaking a sweat
so who really is more skilled at lg
you or him?

zoom lging makes it A LOT easier to make adjustments with the mouse while lging an enemy. any moron can hit 40-50% lg while doing it, which is BS

the game should be about skill, not who can come up with the best exploits

if i had a say, zooming would be banned on everything except for rail or completely removed

my 2 cents

Edited by Musicofmelkor at 06:59 CDT, 28 August 2012

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<< Comment #26 @ 00:22 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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amOKchen - Reply to #23

why are you not playing shootmania

<< Comment #27 @ 01:19 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #23

That's just dumb, you could say it about all sorts of things.

Play with default.cfg, then with a decent setup. You'll play much better the second time! Using anything other than default.cfg is cheap!!

<< Comment #29 @ 01:35 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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Musicofmelkor - Reply to #27

most quake players know about 120hz monitors already
true lightning is on by default
maxpackets gives just a slight benefit
thin lg is just a preference, some people do better with a fat one
zoom lg on the other hand isn't as known as the other things mentioned and it gives a huge benefit, esp in 1v1 situations
hell, It was so powerful in quake3 that the early people who used it were all accused of hacking by this very same community

anyways, i'm done explaining myself
quakelive isn't even my main game anyways, lol.
keep on exploiting, vq3ers. do your thang

Edited by Musicofmelkor at 02:23 CDT, 28 August 2012

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<< Comment #37 @ 09:09 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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ins ' - Reply to #23

learn to dodge vs the zoom and ur good to go? lol

<< Comment #38 @ 09:12 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #37

well.. it kinda aims for you

<< Comment #42 @ 10:15 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #38

but ruins your dodging

<< Comment #41 @ 10:15 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #23

it's supposed to be a secret

<< Comment #67 @ 01:45 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Snapphanen - Reply to #23

How can this be a serious post? Zoom is a feature, use it as you want.

It's like saying picmip is a cheap trick, therefore its no-skill to alter its value.

<< Comment #128 @ 01:10 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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CAREEM - Reply to #23

I aim better with higher fov (110) and extreme fast sens. Zoom and low sens is crap for me =]

<< Comment #225 @ 07:19 CDT, 22 September 2012 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #23

I cant hit shit with zoom on. I also eat all rockets

<< Comment #18 @ 22:47 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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murph - Reply to #2

lol at ZOOM FOV CHEAT

<< Comment #47 @ 11:26 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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ischju - Reply to #2

I do not recommend very high cg_truelightning. I tend to use between .85 and 0.9 but hardly ever have I tried using 1. It just feels unatural to me.

Most people use .9 really. LAN is different. If you watch zsx play, you can tell that he uses low trueligntbing (.8) with thinshaft. Also depends on your ping. The higher your ping, the higher should ur truelightning.

also: use cg_lightningimpact / cap if you have trouble aiming. I know strenx, stermy have used it. I cannot play without out it and I prefer to use the cmd that disables it when the opponent is too close. (cap)

Also there is a difference when u you play 1v1 shaft or rocket vs shaft. With the latter you should try to stay as far away as possible to make it harder for him to hit you. 1v1, close combat fights can be in your favour when the opponent has low sens/or you have the ability to find shelter behind an obsticle i.e. use the geometry of the map to out shaft/think your opponent.

Shafting isnt just raw aim but more the ability to know the situations when shaft is strongest.

<< Comment #74 @ 03:02 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #47

the calculation for the trueligntbing value is 80/(your ping) which means that in theory it should be used only when your ping is over 80. I am not saying by any means that 0.85 or some other value is better or worse. I always used 1, but i will try 0.9.

<< Comment #131 @ 04:02 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #74

that's not true for unlagged hitscan? why would ping matter in ql.

<< Comment #134 @ 04:45 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #131

Basically, according to SyncError, cg_truelightning should be 1, unless your ping is above 80ms. If above 80ms cg_truelightning = 80 / Your Ping in ms.

So if your ping is:

< 80ms - cg_truelightning = 1

100ms - cg_truelightning = .8 (80/100)

120ms - cg_truelightning = .66 (80/120)

As far as i know the unlagged stuff only works up to 80ms.

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<< Comment #136 @ 09:20 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #134

ah, sorry i misunderstood your post.

<< Comment #235 @ 11:50 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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SUCKMYROCKET - Reply to #134

Just out of curiosity, wasn't truelightning in q3 meant to prevent the "noodle-shaft effect" with higher pings?
So it should be higher ping->higher truelightning setting, lower ping->lower truelightning setting?

<< Comment #238 @ 14:08 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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u3a6 - Reply to #235

i dont know about q3, but in ql it is how it works.

<< Comment #93 @ 06:50 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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dissector - Reply to #47

everything you talk about here is solid preference, lg impact?:D that fat white blob on enemy model, that drives me nuts, its simply distracting.

<< Comment #123 @ 16:34 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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ischju - Reply to #93

suit yourself. just saying. try it out.

<< Comment #125 @ 00:39 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #47

impact sucks and its ugly. if enemy standing close to wall u gonna get fucked. capping impact is also dumb for this reason, tricks you into thinking you're hitting when u arent. wish id would come up with a formula to set size of impact (decreasing both long range and close), or create different impactstyles.

easily defined crosshair is better. only downside is crosshairs dont increase in size depending on range.

<< Comment #133 @ 04:38 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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horf - Reply to #125

ut99 impact that only comes up on walls and goes away on enemies, same goes for the ezquake one.

<< Comment #135 @ 05:31 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #133

ya mach bettar

<< Comment #144 @ 15:46 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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ischju - Reply to #125

odd that ppl like strenx are using it. :p I have been using it for years and I cannot aim without it.

<< Comment #145 @ 21:35 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #144

strennex also using r_enablebloom, also he likes shotmania

<< Comment #153 @ 07:10 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #145

shootmania or shitmania, but not shotmania

<< Comment #154 @ 07:19 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #153

sry dont care

<< Comment #204 @ 05:51 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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gecgreek - Reply to #153

the game's already dead so you gotta use simple past tense

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<< Comment #181 @ 04:34 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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corvu - Reply to #47

Thank you for the lightningimpact tip. Tried it for a couple of days. For me it didn't work at all. Seems to me it is personal preference like so much else.

I use kind of the opposite:

cg_lightningstyle 5
centered cg_drawgun 2
cg_drawcrosshair 6 (dot) when fireing (zfire script)
cg_crosshairsize 20 when fireing (zfire script)

Smallest possible visual indication of hitting on the lightningbeam.

I also have impactsparks and cg_marks (with very short time) enabled.

<< Comment #182 @ 05:36 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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ischju - Reply to #181

there is also a thread about lg crosshair discussions. have a look there as well.

<< Comment #185 @ 06:23 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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corvu - Reply to #182

ty, will do

<< Comment #86 @ 06:26 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #2

thingshaft and truelightning are just user preference really, though I prefer thinshaft and tl 1 as well.

But how is zooming with LG cheating? I've personally never liked zooming with LG, hell, I even use quite a high fov.

<< Comment #148 @ 05:03 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #2

Do you need to use both hands to be queer?

<< Comment #4 @ 16:23 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Weird '

with this netcode, don't dodge just aim.

<< Comment #5 @ 17:10 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #4

false

<< Comment #6 @ 17:24 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #4

false

<< Comment #7 @ 17:26 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #4

weird advice

<< Comment #239 @ 02:10 CDT, 3 June 2013 >>

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Anonymous (77.105.204.130) - Reply to #7

I see what you did there. :D

<< Comment #240 @ 02:45 CDT, 3 June 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #239

wat took u so long so notice

<< Comment #8 @ 17:29 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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psyych - Reply to #4

with this netcode, don't aim just dodge.

<< Comment #10 @ 17:53 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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dr_mr_ed - Reply to #8

still false

<< Comment #126 @ 00:52 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #10

With this netcode, aim while dodging.

<< Comment #127 @ 01:10 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #126

BUT LOL ISNT THAT WHAT YURR INTENDED TO DO IN QUEEK???????????????? MyZTeRy^

<< Comment #149 @ 05:04 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #126

False, with this netcode +back and rail/rockets

<< Comment #157 @ 13:39 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #149

Oh yes.

<< Comment #162 @ 18:16 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #157

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4&&t=00m10s

<< Comment #164 @ 21:19 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #162

http://www.funbrain.com/co/index.html

<< Comment #180 @ 03:42 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #164

's cool.

<< Comment #9 @ 17:52 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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kava - Reply to #4

With Weird's netcode related advice, don't apply, just laugh and chuckle.

Oh and what Musicofmelkor said sounds like good advice on what to try and do to improve LG powah.

Edited by chi at 17:54 CDT, 27 August 2012

<< Comment #16 @ 22:18 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #4

?

<< Comment #19 @ 22:48 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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murph - Reply to #4

flase!

<< Comment #94 @ 06:52 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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dissector - Reply to #4

with this netcode, don't aim just nudge

<< Comment #96 @ 06:57 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #94

I didn't say that... and in general that statement is not true.

Edited by Weird at 06:58 CDT, 29 August 2012

<< Comment #11 @ 17:59 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Mitritch

Let the beam touch you, not cross.

<< Comment #214 @ 09:31 CDT, 4 September 2012 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #11

is this spiritual insight or just technical advice?

<< Comment #217 @ 17:06 CDT, 4 September 2012 >>

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Mitritch - Reply to #214

experience...

<< Comment #218 @ 16:15 CDT, 8 September 2012 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #217

let the beam touch all people, take them from jesus and show them the holy spirit of quake

: O )

Edited by BalkanFM at 16:16 CDT, 8 September 2012

<< Comment #13 @ 19:21 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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ChillOut

Both work depending on the context hehe

In term's of aiming I don't see short dodging and aiming being effective unless your opponent is also short dodging. I did it sometimes but it still bug's me because you're wiggling too fast to compensate for your movement. So your just hoping most of your crosshair just happens to fall within the hitbox range and that your almost arbitrary snaps are in the right direction when the opponent goes past a certain distance away. It works I guess close and mid range but long range it just seems silly to me. At the same time for me aiming at a short strafer can throw me way off because I predict a fair bit when I use lg so I guess I'm just sensitive to subtle visual ques. In addition I suppose short dodging throws most aim botters off, for I would assume there's a degree of prediction and delay on locking onto the target -- unless you have god like ping. I'm no expert(just seen a fair bit in cs1.6 --the blatantly obvious ones are the most interesting in any game) but when I see someone's aim flick a little to fast and to often that's usually when I start to get suspicious ;)

Just my opinion :)

<< Comment #14 @ 19:59 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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kevz

dont focus on either, do both ^_____^

<< Comment #17 @ 22:43 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Bono

its not about short or long. its about faking a direction and making them bite. kinda like how a football player moves to try to not get tackled

<< Comment #20 @ 22:48 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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murph - Reply to #17

Never, EVER, compare quake to football. fucking canadians.

<< Comment #21 @ 22:57 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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Bono - Reply to #20

noted

<< Comment #35 @ 04:55 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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ShadyVoltaire - Reply to #21

And it's called Redneck Soccer (NFL) or Jim Lahey's Drink & Tackle Soccer (CFL) btw

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<< Comment #64 @ 22:13 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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snob - Reply to #35

I thought it was called hand-egg

<< Comment #92 @ 06:47 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #64

Redneck Hand Egg has a very appropriate sound to it.

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<< Comment #22 @ 23:00 CDT, 27 August 2012 >>

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rehepapp

Maybe instead of trying to get up to his accuracy, take him down to yours.

If you focus on his LG beam take notice at which side of you the beam is. So for example you dodge right and you see the beam left of you then you want to time the moment when he will adjust to your movement. You know that he will make this little jump with his crosshair to catch you again. So now when he does this you want to change the direction of your dodge so that his little crosshair jump will go over you. And now when you go left and the beam is right of you you'll do the same thing again. You just want to change the direction when he is adjusting.

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<< Comment #24 @ 00:11 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #22

cool now include strafe aiming???

<< Comment #33 @ 04:10 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #24

cool now what are you asking?

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<< Comment #36 @ 04:58 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #33

lookin at enemy beam not always reliable if he both strafe aim and mouse aim. u may dodge his adjustment, but if he stafes after that u prollz get hit yo

<< Comment #80 @ 05:11 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #22

does this work with all pings?

<< Comment #85 @ 06:22 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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rehepapp - Reply to #80

I imagine there might be a problem if he has lowish sensitvity and higher ping (aka poni). I've noticed against some players it doesn't work. Test in warmup before if the opponent misses or not. And agaisnt higher ping you have to adjust and find the correct feeling when to change.

<< Comment #25 @ 00:18 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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maltyplaya

Prediction, with lots of small adjustments. Make him walk into your crosshair by having it move where you intuit he is going to move. Keep it on the side of the model that they are moving away from, so when they change direction they eat 100% shaft for a split second.

<< Comment #28 @ 01:25 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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fugie

watch strenx's first stream VOD... he talks about it in there
i dont use his style myself, but hey! it might work for ya ;)

<< Comment #114 @ 12:11 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Anonymous (83.204.176.102) - Reply to #28

talking about strenx it feels like he doesnt try to dodge, he just focus 100% on dodging while dodging in random directions not driven by enemy beam. Does he strafe aim with enemy?

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<< Comment #129 @ 02:59 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #114

he doesnt try to dodge, he just focus 100% on dodging while dodging

Yo Strenx, I heard you don't like dodging...

<< Comment #141 @ 12:48 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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Anonymous (83.204.176.102) - Reply to #114

i meant "he just focus 100% on AIMING while dodging in random directions"

<< Comment #163 @ 19:47 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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yoyoman - Reply to #28

Could you please post the vod and the time where he talks about it?

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fugie - Reply to #163

http://nl.twitch.tv/strenx_/b/328288035

start watching at 1:25:00
he starts talking about how to move in LG fights

Edited by jas at 05:02 CDT, 2 September 2012

<< Comment #31 @ 04:05 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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gl00my

The trick is to not think ,just feel :P

<< Comment #32 @ 04:10 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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jetro

Lots of strenxes in this topic

<< Comment #34 @ 04:29 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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/rage quit

So how much difference can good dodging make in lg fights? i mean some people hit 40% no matter how you move so...will definately try some of you ideas.

<< Comment #43 @ 10:38 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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sch. - Reply to #34

a fucking lot

i was thinking i have good lg usually about 40% but then i played vs tox on duel warmup and fuck me - he still got 40% but i had like 20% because of his movement :e

<< Comment #44 @ 10:39 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #43

Probably less to do with his dodging than the pushback from his lg.

Edited by twister_ at 09:31 CDT, 29 August 2012

<< Comment #45 @ 10:46 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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sch. - Reply to #44

well dunno - it didn't feel like he was hitting a lot just i couldn't hit :P

<< Comment #68 @ 01:53 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Snapphanen - Reply to #44

It's cool how I've never played vs a player who get notable pushback on me in LG fights, except for av3k, tox and k1llsen. Makes you realize how far from pro you really are (in terms of combat).

<< Comment #81 @ 05:13 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #44

definitely this

<< Comment #39 @ 09:27 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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Anonymous (194.206.50.158)

fov 130 otherwise you are gay.

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<< Comment #46 @ 11:14 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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Anonymous (87.205.185.21) - Reply to #39

Better be gay than french.

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<< Comment #95 @ 06:54 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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dissector - Reply to #46

two means the same

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<< Comment #50 @ 13:29 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #39

I use FOV 130

<< Comment #51 @ 14:29 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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obi - Reply to #50

thats just retarded. why would you gimp yourself like that for no advantage

<< Comment #52 @ 14:45 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #51

How is that bad? I've been using that fov since I started QL. I have no problems with my aim and I feel comfortable using it.

<< Comment #53 @ 14:55 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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Memento_Mori ' - Reply to #52

A lot of shots are much easier at lower fov.

<< Comment #54 @ 15:31 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #53

True.

I did try lowering my FOV but it made everything feel sluggish. I might have to try again sometime in the future.

<< Comment #56 @ 16:34 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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obi - Reply to #54

disadvantages: it makes aiming more difficult

advantages: ????????????????????????????

<< Comment #58 @ 16:56 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #56

You eat less walls.

<< Comment #60 @ 17:11 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #58

recently I went from 102 to 100 for the lulz and it's absurd how badly I play now, though I do hit more.

maybe should use 95? I think that's what our current hero (cypher) uses now, and we know using the same settings = same skill.

Edited by megaman3 at 17:15 CDT, 28 August 2012

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InDepther - Reply to #56

better in close combat with rockets

<< Comment #130 @ 03:00 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #56

Feels better.

<< Comment #40 @ 10:11 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

When in a lg fight i get better results when i focus more resources to dodge (seeing where his lg is moving and going to the opposite side etc) and less resources in aim (kind of subconscious aiming).

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<< Comment #48 @ 11:28 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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ischju

if both have equal ping dodging/aiming combination works best. if pings are different we are talking another story.

also read my post above.

<< Comment #49 @ 12:14 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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pet_cia_mole

I win LG fights when I'm stacked or when I catch my enemy off guard when they're in the air.

<< Comment #55 @ 15:35 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX

I wait until they're chatting and then empty my entire shaft ammo into their face - ez 12% acc!

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<< Comment #57 @ 16:56 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #55

better advise so far

<< Comment #132 @ 04:16 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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iavoal - Reply to #55

sensei!

<< Comment #188 @ 11:40 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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baron Railgun : - Reply to #55

right into your face, chatter! ))

<< Comment #59 @ 16:59 CDT, 28 August 2012 >>

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hitsu

haha

this is just sad... why ppl try to improve the hardest elements of gameplay like aim[ which is imo not possible ] instead of trying to work on tactics...

1. lg is rape weapon - dont use it with equal stack without element of suprise
2. look for easy lgs, like t7 mh
3. NEVER, BUT NEVER play to get good acc with lg... spam spam spam... ql is about dmg given, not accuracies...

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T1E ' - Reply to #59

..in 1v1

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fau - Reply to #59

Because it's the easiest way to improve in duel. I know a lot of 1500 elo players with monster aim who hardly can be called duelers (ok, they know the map(s)).

1. Yes unless your opponent outaims you by 10%
2. Yes.
3. Yes Yes Yes... but watch your ammo :) I spam A LOT and I really need to be careful about this. Also don't spam too much when you are in control - in the end you don't want to scare him too much.

Edit:
Also you can get away with good strategy if your lg vs lg is weak but you need to hit hard on easy targets and close range.
I can give many other tips on playing duel with bad aim btw - a lot of experience here :-)

Edited by fau at 17:46 CDT, 28 August 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #62

1. i once did math to show that 10% lg more is not enough to break stack advantage.
and if u suprise your enemy this "one second" of 100% lg is enough to get you in position with stack advantage...
3. yes i also agree :-) got butthurt plenty of times because i ran out of lg :D

yes exactly... imo aim isnt important at all in duel... if ur good aimer its just easier for you... but cautious, +b play, can win any game...

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fau - Reply to #70

10% more usually means 100% more in hard angles which is where usually player out of control looks for his chances.
Cautious +b play can win any game as long as you don't get killed. (Maybe on ztn dunno - I don't play it).

Sometimes I have a day when I hit 60 rg 35 lg and duels are just more fun like this.
You can be more creative, play more relaxed and concentrate on strategy better with such aim.
Also you can play positional game because you know that if your opponent does something stupid you will punish it.

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hitsu - Reply to #98

open games, with lot of fights are always more fun :D

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maza - Reply to #70

in certain level, e.g. at the top you need to aim awesome and dodge awesome, otherwise you suck

so yes aim, or let's make it combat which equals aim and dodge, is by far the most important thing in duel

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hitsu - Reply to #152

just because ur an aimwhore doesnt mean you cant play good without aiming skills...

eg: agent, rapha

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palatka - Reply to #155

git on outta here!! they aim better than average shittah

ok maybe not agent but he had lessons from coller

Edited by palatka at 13:12 CDT, 31 August 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #156

first of all: i got no idea what you just tried to say... next time try something that looks like decent engrish...

secondly: rapha is way below average aiming skills, but his superior positioning helps him a lot... and tbh he improved after hitbox increase

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megaman3 - Reply to #158

rapha destroys 99.99999999% of players aiming and dodging wise, just not the top8 on that aspect. Actually when he is on he destroys all top players on it.

Edited by megaman3 at 18:01 CDT, 31 August 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #159

as you would know

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #161

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQSdlI0JFRI

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hitsu - Reply to #165

once again: aim is the ability to hit constantly high accuracies... one in a year 90% rg means nothing, especially considering he did hit 24% against cypher in the final

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Lorfa ' - Reply to #161

He's not "way below average". His aim is certainly world class.

For one his rockets are on par with cypher's, but since he tends to use rockets instead of rg/lg it can seem like he doesn't aim so well.

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InDepther - Reply to #161

he is right u know

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hitsu - Reply to #177

no hes not...

i got used that ppl see top players like some kind of gods, but they not... they got weak sides, and raphas week side is his aim... no shit on dodge tho...

and i actually value rapha because he doesnt give a shit about his aiming skills, playing only with position... thats sick

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InDepther - Reply to #178

actually rapha has the best aim when he needs to. There isn�t anyone more clutch than him. If the only way to win a game is to hit a direct rocket followed by 2 rails at a certain point, he will do just that.

His rockets are equalled only be cypher and his dodging� just read what other top players have said about that.

u think u can play smart with mediocre aim vs a top player? Let�s say u manage to come out with the better position, u think u will win that battle? Or let�s say u pull off a nice trap to k1llsen or strenx or anybody on that level, u think u will win that battle, or he will turn around after eating ur 1st rocket and kick the shit out of u? Only if u have top rockets and dodging u will have a chance. All the so called bad aimers, have good rockets and good dodging and it is not a small thing having good aim with the number 1 weapon in the game.

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hitsu - Reply to #179

eee no? :D

my dear friend, good aim is ability to constantly shoot good... i can agree with rapha doing some crazy stuff when he needs to, but imo its matter of concentration, willpower and cold blood, not raw aiming skills...

yes, i belive smart and cautious play can overcome gap in aiming skills... especially considering how much good position means in quake... otherwise the game would be dominated by strenx and tox and killsen...

also i highly doubt i could trap top level player, but trapping is like shooting a penaulty in football... if u remain clear head, theres no chance you will get destroyed... you just need one good rocket to bounce this motherfucker up and its over... easy kill, even if hes fucking fatality...

ow, and i dont find rockets a way to measure some1s aiming skills, just because they got splash dmg, and you can randomly spam with them :-)

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kRoNic- - Reply to #186

rapha has the best in-fight rocket skills in the world.

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hitsu - Reply to #193

i didnt say otherwise

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erok - Reply to #159

rapha has fucking monster aim, just his style tends not to abuse it and actually hinders his potential for aim whoring. sure he doesn't have the best aim around, we all can name the aim whores of the game, but to say he is way below average is just fucking retarded...there's probably less than 10 players in this game who aim better than him

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hitsu - Reply to #171

so hes got super racing car but decides to ride only 40mph ?

hilarious

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erok - Reply to #174

have you ever watched him play medium level duelers? he does indeed use his super racing car very often.... out aiming cypher/strenx/k1llsen etc is nearly impossible to do, so why would he attempt that if he can use strategy to his advantage much more easily? Even when he plays people clearly under his level he uses positioning/strategy more so than the fact he can simply out aim them

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hitsu - Reply to #175

you mix thing up...

he doesnt aim rape them... positioning/timing/strategy to catch ppl with their pants down, when they cant to shit... rapha is amazing at picking up right moment to fuck you over...

when i played against "worse" players i also did hit amazing shots... just because they let themself to be hit

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palatka - Reply to #158

lmao, u actually think so? do u even think he could pull off the kinda game that he does without proper aim? any of professionals would just stomp on him if he wasnt able to defend himself in terms of aim

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maza - Reply to #155

they are both awesome in combat, and rapha surely solid top5 atleast

and speaking only about aiming is silly, it only counts in eyetoeye and not even there so let's just talk about combat skills

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hitsu - Reply to #189

i didnt say rapha is bad at combat, hes just not the aimer type :-)

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maza - Reply to #200

but i think he has an awesome aim even though he isn't a sort of player who abuses it at all =P

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Weird ' - Reply to #59

ql isn't about dmg given...
That's only somewhat important in tdm but for most of ql it's of a lesser importance.

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hitsu - Reply to #65

i could write some witty comment about netcode, just to make fun of you, but cba :-)

Edited by hitsu at 02:56 CDT, 29 August 2012

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Weird ' - Reply to #71

haha good luck.
I mean you managed to do math to shot that 10% more lg is not enough to break stack advantage. Your conception of math must be so good that you can even add 3 numbers!

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hitsu - Reply to #84

go make some crappy paint pics and cry a bit more about how you cant play your game against 70pingers mr. top4@lan

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Weird ' - Reply to #100

just because you can't understand (sh)it doesn't make the pics crap.
And which lan possition did you finish at ? Ow ye right...

Seriously your trolling is just sad.

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hitsu - Reply to #104

i never stated i will be top4 at lan... especially in quake..

you're much sadder with your overgrown ego and childish behaviour

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megaman3 - Reply to #106

I think it's sadder seeing a noob giving duel advice

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hitsu - Reply to #108

said megaman3

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Lacceh - Reply to #65

uhm, he meant dmg dealt>acc in terms of spam not overall play.
except in some cases u get rewarded for being efficient with ammo(depends on gamemode obv)

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rehepapp - Reply to #59

Shooting is piss easy in QL and your tactics actually need a lot of aim, otherwise they will just recover really fast or you will be +backing the whole time. + it makes your life a lot less frustrating if you have a stable/good aim. + the fucking weapons are so weak.

Ah, I miss OSP.

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hitsu - Reply to #69

yes, its good to have decent aim, but if u dont - fuck it, play smart... even if u have to +back for 10 minutes...

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rehepapp - Reply to #73

+backing for 10 minutes is not smart play - you make it sound harder than it really is. And playing smart is not that easy when you can't punish them for their mistakes.

This is why I like OSP. The difference between in position player (trapper) and out of position player (trapped) is huge because the weapons need more stable conditions to hit good and if you catch them you'll do tons of dmg without receiving silly amounts like in QL.

I agree that you can play "smart" with shitty aim but it will be frustraing as fuck. QL is not that deep of a game strat/tacs wise for your brain to give you a huge advantage. Get a nice setup, mouse, pad, monitor, focus on timing 2 items and you're off to 1900 elo in quite short time. Look at szr - the guy has no clue about duel but does really well (no offense to the him outside of the game).

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hitsu - Reply to #75

i didnt say its smart, but its possible to win a match when ur +backing for 10 minutes...

if ur aim is shit, its all you can do: smart traps, smart spam, smart play :-)

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rehepapp - Reply to #78

Mhm, my post was partly rant against QL also :) The amount of traps feels so limited because of the weapons. My other big gripe is that smart play is not fun in QL. Rather then having many different options to resolve a situation there is always the best and correct one.

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T1E ' - Reply to #75

I think this would be easily resolved (in duel) with 10-15% higher weapon dps/dmg

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InDepther - Reply to #79

it would help

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rehepapp - Reply to #79

IIRC it broke the game. Weren't we there during some stage of beta? Imagine it is as easy as it is to shoot now and higher damage - it would get even narrower and more passive because instead of having correct and wrong moves, every other move would be a wrong one. Instagib gives the idea what I am meaning. He can still recover from his mistake if he has a good enough reaction.

I think you also need to add weapon delay/make the hitbox smaller so it actually lets you do more - just sitting back and controlling corners is not fun. So my point is that if he does a really big mistake his chances of doing damage should also be narrowed accompanied with the increased taken damage.

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InDepther - Reply to #90

so the rockets are actually the "problem"... which I was saying from the moment I started playing ql. My first impressions were, better graphics, easy to find opponents, cool site (which they didn't improve, but still kudos for their initial work) and overpowered rockets.

- look at all the top players, u can find some with not so "good aim" (most ppl think aim as lg and rg), but none with bad rl
- the top 2 players in the world, cypher and rapha, are probably also the top 2 rl players in the world
- one of the reasons that +back is so easy in ql, is nothing other than, guess what... rl
- even agent who is considered bad at aiming, has at least the rockets figured out

are these coincidence? don�t think so

but ql is a different game and I accept it as it is. Q3 was far more tactical imo though

the main differences are the hitboxes, the netcode and the rl. I don't consider the 80 damage rail as important. It actually didn't make any considerable difference.

edit: actually all three (hitboxes+netcode+rockets) made it easier to aim and do massive damage even at disadvantageous situations, which in turn resulted in a less tactical game (at least duel wise)

Edited by InDepther at 08:25 CDT, 29 August 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #105

no, rockets are awesome, leave them as they are...

make all weapon overpowered -> more succesfull traps and more item control involved...

or the game will just get even slower and campy

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InDepther - Reply to #107

no, rockets are awesome, leave them as they are...

none said to change them :). I am merely trying to explain why ql became less tactical than q3, from my point of view. And it is not necessarily a bad thing, especially since it was probably one of id's targets to make it easier and attract more players.

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rehepapp - Reply to #107

ah, now i remember, it was cpma vq that had it. it sucked and was a huge aimfest.

edit: the higher dmg weapon and better netcode.

Edited by rehepapp at 08:51 CDT, 29 August 2012

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no_il - Reply to #110

VQ3>QL (fun wise) and since the weapons were stronger good aim wasn't as important. I don't think it was any less tactical, rapha/cypher were/are the best in both and rapha isn't known for his aim. I also remember cooller beating cypher on hub with 12% lg and 16% rail, I have never seen someone beating a top player with 16% rail in QL.

remember guys when ztn wasn't just about running the teleports for 4 minutes when playing in out of control and having a lead?

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rehepapp - Reply to #116

It was fun if you were bad. if you were good you hit 70 percent rail and 45-50 percent lg. It was ridiculous. The game lost all the dynamics.

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ZeriouS - Reply to #122

Really, was it that exciting in vq3? I haven't played ztn back then... only know the eerrm snoozefest it is in QL :/

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #166

the answer is no

there's so much osp nostalgia and dicksucking around here it's ridiculous.

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erok - Reply to #166

not really, people sucked way more back then so when they did something impressive it was considered to be the most awesomest thing ever and everyone sprayed cum. average frags in current top level pro games were considered amazing back then

edit: if you think games in ql are boring now, don't watch old school vq3 games...sure there are some great ones but nothing that much different than current ql. watch qw/pk/cpm high level duels if you want fast entertainment

Edited by erok at 02:37 CDT, 1 September 2012

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rehepapp - Reply to #172

yes, because these frags are not impressive even by today standards. and weapons were harder to hit.

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erok - Reply to #191

many of those aren't impressive, but tbh i don't see many in ql that are impressive either. today's average players are capable of making sick air rockets, and all those rails are fairly average now a days

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rehepapp - Reply to #194

I agree, by cpm standard these are not impressive because it's so much easier to make a flashy frag there. This is why you have to take into account the differences withing the game (rockets were slower in Q3 than in QL, rail was harder to hit).

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erok - Reply to #195

That is true, and I'm certainly not denying that all of those players in the video are massively skilled and would probably be top10 among current players. But even crazy ass frags today happen way more frequently than they did back then, that seems inevitable with it being 10-11 years later :P

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Anonymous (98.192.167.0) - Reply to #172

people didn't suck back then, they just didn't have the technology/know how to get the most out of their skills.

if early quake players had access to todays stuff

a good optical
1000hz
no accel fix or raw mouse input
a large/good mousepad
teflon feet(not skates, but feet)
better netcode
1000 speed rockets

the game wouldn't look much different from today.

heres a video from 06(a time when most hardcore players knew about the above)
does it really look any different than quakelive ca nowadays?
(inb4 lol ra3)

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palatka - Reply to #197

does it really look any different than quakelive ca nowadays?

>>yes. where is camping?

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mar- - Reply to #199

Yeah, I miss the days players would just go rambo-mode against the enemy. Cs-style is ruining quake IMO. (talking about CA, not duel ofc)

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palatka - Reply to #220

na man playing duel is horrible due to campers too

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fau - Reply to #221

lol

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fau - Reply to #220

I think it's mainly because there are so many players for who pub ca is the most competetive mode they play so they are competetive and try to win. It's normal. It's just sad that they don't play other modes or cws/tournaments and ruin pub games instead.
When there is pub ca with good players who play other modes or at least comp ca it's usually way better, ppl go rambo mode and do crazy shots because they play relaxed and take it lightly.

I always play ca like this but it makes typical 4v4 game unplayable for me. (unless im in the mood for railing or overall level is very low)

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function9 - Reply to #223

Not in NA. 9 times out of 10 it's the guys that play or claim to play other modes that are camping it up, trying to hero it. They're the same one's talking about how meaningless stats are, that CA is, etc, etc. It's funny seeing a self proclaimed hardcore cpm player camp it up in qlive like there's no tomorrow. Or known ctf players that'll do nothing but sit at [lower] pillars or other secluded spots.

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rehepapp - Reply to #166

exciting to watch? dunno, it had it's flaws. more satisfying and interesting to play - yes.

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InDepther - Reply to #69

I agree with every word

edit: hitsu also has a good point in the context that if u don�t already have a good aim, u will probably never do. Especially, if u have been playing for sometime and with good mouse and proper sensitivity. Your quest then for becoming an aimer will be futile and counterproductive, probably resulting in bad dodging, weaker tactics and frustration.

Edited by InDepther at 05:32 CDT, 29 August 2012

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hitsu - Reply to #83

su, you just miss 100 rail from Q3 :D

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butcher_kgp ' - Reply to #69

I agree with the fact that having a decent reliable aim in ql helps a lot in terms of confidence. If you are sure that you will deliver a certain amount of damage at minimum then its feels much more confident engaging in a fight, but you are unsure then you tend to be always hesitant which leads to overall worse play.

Edited by butcher_kgp at 13:30 CDT, 29 August 2012

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Anonymous (194.206.50.158)

fov 130, cg_drawgun 0 => sexy

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Anonymous (83.204.176.102)

I have one question. Do you think a good LG aimer is able to LG good whatever his sensi is? I mean if the guy plays 40cm/360 and you ask him to try 30cm/360 would he still hit well?

I somehow feel like the most important is the synchonisation between the mouse aiming and the strafing, i mean strafing to dodge not to strafe aim + correcting aim to the enemy model.

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psyych - Reply to #66

Yes, I'd say.

However, changing from 40cm\360 to 30cm\360 is not really a big deal, both are kinda low...
I've tried so many sensitivities, I can safely say that, with a lil bit of practice, I can hit a nice LG with almost any sens.

Almost...

To me, anything higher than 20cm\360 for shafting is fucking crazy!
Playing with 20cm\360 I can hit some rails, good rockets, even some nice plasma, but shafting\hitscanning becomes frustrating.
Very, very frustrating.
I'm not saying its impossible to have good LG with this kind of high sens, but... to me it is, lol.
I don't have bionic hands, ya know; hitscanning with low sens just feels good, nice and smooth.
Check Strenx doing it. It looks effortless :)

In my experience, flick shots becomes more precise with low sens, too.

Atm I'm at 50cm\360 and a lil bit of accel, but 33cm\360 without accel feels good too :)

(btw, 33cm\360 is what I use for QW, air control with anything lower feels like driving a tank or something)

Food for thought:

It just bugs my mind when I see people playing with 10~15cm\360... no wonder no matter how good they are, their shaft ALWAYS sucks.

Edited by Psyychonaut at 03:26 CDT, 29 August 2012

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ffx - Reply to #76

Than u haven't seen one of these three guys playing jaysson, jewro or demon. All three aren't the worst guys with shaft ;)

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psyych - Reply to #99

Nope, I have seen these guys.

Those are the ones with bionic hands )))

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matuka - Reply to #76

I knew people with 2cm/360 who reach 40-60%. :c

Edited by Matuka at 09:02 CDT, 29 August 2012

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u3a6 - Reply to #112

i used 2.5cm for 360 before the hitbox rescaling and i hit consistent 40+% lg.

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Anonymous (83.204.176.102) - Reply to #76

hmm, so to sum it up the most important isn't aiming but dodging and synchronisation ?

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waltz - Reply to #76

Are those stas taken only from duel games?

P.S. I keep hitting plus, when i want to reply

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T1E ' - Reply to #118

from some event 2011 or so, prly dh

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waltz - Reply to #119

hahaha, enjoy unintendent plusses

so those are duel and tdm mixed?

<< Comment #121 @ 13:59 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #120

ah bullshit, http://www.esreality.com/post/1907380/eswc-20...pi-thread/

<< Comment #72 @ 02:50 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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fugie

jumppad LG! =)

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<< Comment #77 @ 03:39 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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JaGGz

Do it vor style :)

<< Comment #89 @ 06:29 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Terifire

It all depends on the situation...

Just practice, but my advice is to basically not even use the mouse much in lg to lg battles, aim with strafing mostly.

Only ever move the mouse if it is really necessary, the mistakes most players make is that they keep moving their mouse and the shaft goes all over the place.

<< Comment #97 @ 07:00 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #89

aim with strafing vs good lg'er = he hits 50% more of that what u do cause of your dodging
so it works only on ca, especially public ca or versus some low tier dueler

Edited by Ffleri at 07:01 CDT, 29 August 2012

<< Comment #103 @ 07:46 CDT, 29 August 2012 >>

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Terifire - Reply to #97

If done properly it works vs pretty much everyone, really...
It's what I do even in CPM.

<< Comment #137 @ 10:02 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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ffx

http://www.own3d.tv/k1llsen/live/9704

Watch and learn :P

<< Comment #138 @ 11:26 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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Anonymous (92.224.155.149) - Reply to #137

this thread wasn't about how to rg, it is about how to lg :p (and no, killsen doesn't have a superior lg)

<< Comment #139 @ 12:05 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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Twisp. - Reply to #138

He does sometimes, seen him out lg strenx couple matches. Hes aim in general seems to be either on or off.

<< Comment #143 @ 14:44 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #138

Rofl have u ever taken a lg fight vs hhim? Hard enough to hit him while he sticks his plus 40 in your face ...
I can even link u games vs tox and strenx where he wasn't afraid to take lg fights and came out even.

Btw. this thread was about how to dodge lg and imo he does a fairly decent job at it.

Edited by ffx at 14:46 CDT, 30 August 2012

<< Comment #140 @ 12:31 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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h8m3

just point and track

<< Comment #142 @ 12:58 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #140

^EXPOSED CHEATER!!

russan with over 24% lg on ql profile = DEFINITE HACKER...

also [unrelated stuff]

Edited by palatka at 12:58 CDT, 30 August 2012

<< Comment #146 @ 21:57 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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INCubus

what zoom fov would you recommend with a 97 fov at 1680 x 1050?

<< Comment #147 @ 22:39 CDT, 30 August 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #146

the best zoomfov!!

<< Comment #150 @ 05:35 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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hydr0

personally, i've found that my LG tracks better when I'm using the following settings...

120hrtz LCD
cg_drawgun 2
cg_truelightning 1
Thinest possible lightning stream
larger X-Hair - eg : crosshairsize 40
cl_maxpackets 125
rate - 25000

I've tried zoomfov a few times, but i find switching between that and my regular fov throws me off a little when it comes to RG and RL afterwards

I suppose it's up to the player, find something you're comfortable with and stick to it

<< Comment #151 @ 05:50 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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losty

tox. most random dodger ever :D

<< Comment #160 @ 18:02 CDT, 31 August 2012 >>

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tony

I invite you try truelight 0 and no crosshair on LAN/BOT

<< Comment #169 @ 01:27 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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horf - Reply to #160

tis lovely.

<< Comment #183 @ 05:57 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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nex1 :

Lg is 50% ping, who has the lowest ping usually shafts better; not o mention the system lag

<< Comment #184 @ 06:07 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #183

retard

<< Comment #192 @ 17:03 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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ggnore - Reply to #184

In a lot of cases he's not wrong I will agree.

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nex1 : - Reply to #184

Retard? What retard? Are you referring to the packets transmission/reception?

Anyway, basing on your raging level, you must be one of these low pingers that uses to outshaft for 10 consecutive minutes, and that get mads when someone still win or outaim them

<< Comment #209 @ 09:25 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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Lacceh - Reply to #207

no, there was no better way to reply
your claim is utterly ridiculously stupid, either trolling or idk what's wrong with you. 50%? really? read it out aloud, do you even realize what you're claiming

<< Comment #213 @ 07:58 CDT, 4 September 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #209

what i am claiming?
The great major part of the peoples notice that nothing beats a low and stable ping, to have a good lg; 50% is an appoximate cypher, it is a little random, but gives the idea of how strong the lg is based on the hardware and on the connection

4%

<< Comment #216 @ 14:52 CDT, 4 September 2012 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #213

After the update that fucked up routing to de I got myself with 48 ping from 32. I can tell for sure that I lost few percent lg accuracy. Especially in 1vs1 fights. Now I got myself with fixed routing and I felt my lg better right away. That's my experience atleast, cheers.

<< Comment #227 @ 18:54 CDT, 15 October 2012 >>

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Anonymous (89.73.186.69) - Reply to #207

bingo, laccehz rarely plays with >30ms. deep denial moron he is, i meant 'retard'

<< Comment #187 @ 09:06 CDT, 1 September 2012 >>

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old

Lowering cg_playerlean from 1 to 0.5 helped my LG.
Also, jones' crosshair, cg_lightningImpactCap 768 and thinshaft = best lg experience :-)

<< Comment #202 @ 08:53 CDT, 2 September 2012 >>

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Anonymous (92.205.169.3)

fake your ping to 42ms and ur good to go - tested every ping from 12 to 100 (u get best netcode benefits that way) a lil warp also helps not to get hit too wel -l ofc a warp wich u dont realize urself only the nmy

<< Comment #206 @ 06:57 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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foctis - Reply to #202

Hello anonymous Weird \o

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<< Comment #219 @ 21:03 CDT, 21 September 2012 >>

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Weird ' - Reply to #206

I'm never anonymous imo it is lame.
I post everything under my own nick and I only have 1 nick per site/community. (sometimes Weird is taken :()

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<< Comment #224 @ 06:53 CDT, 22 September 2012 >>

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mar- - Reply to #219

:()

<< Comment #205 @ 06:24 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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yoyoman

anyone know how cl_autotimenudge is calculated?

<< Comment #208 @ 08:35 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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nex1 :

also, at low tiers lg is underpowered, while at high tiers/ pro level is not balanced, definitely overpowered, you cannot compete with a rushing good aimer

<< Comment #210 @ 09:41 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #208

raphalessons.com: position, position, position

<< Comment #211 @ 10:39 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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Anonymous (178.11.42.41) - Reply to #210

ping ping ping

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<< Comment #212 @ 12:51 CDT, 3 September 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #210

idiot sandwiched :/

<< Comment #215 @ 12:28 CDT, 4 September 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #208

sure you can, defensive lg is still a lot easier to aim than rushing with lg.

<< Comment #228 @ 13:18 CDT, 16 October 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #215

definitely not if your ping is way worse than your enemy's one.

<< Comment #232 @ 07:46 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #228

yea, but... who said anything about pings?

<< Comment #233 @ 09:02 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #232

true, but lg is so affected by it that it is unnatural to think to it without ping; and on the same pings, a rushing good lger (with a GOOD aim ) , is overpowered; there is no way to counter with a "defensive lg" ( a weapon that for his nature is offensive); it is more useful to use defensive rockets/plasma

<< Comment #234 @ 09:59 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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zealot - Reply to #233

no, you are wrong, plain and simple :)

example: http://www.esreality.com/post/1587448/avek-vs-razerj/

it's avek at 100/200 vs jibo at 200/200, jibo's shaft was unmatched at the time. avek knows he is gonna get rushed and pwns the living hell out of him despite the aim and stack disadvantage.

when you are +back'ing you know what the enemy is most likely going to do, same thing and probably even easier to understand when you picture playing flag def in ctf against incoming attackers.

<< Comment #236 @ 13:36 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #234

still rockets, and sometimes plasma, are way better

<< Comment #229 @ 16:59 CDT, 16 October 2012 >>

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tnz

My LG is pretty weak, and in duel I often lose to players that I regard as worse duel players than myself.

What I mean with this is that I lose to players who basically do not time any item, but whenever I'm within their LG range, they destroy me.

I can choose to either find ways to improve my LG aim, OR I might try to find ways to improve at duel as much as being able to outplay heavy aiming non-duellers that you often find within the 1500-1800 ELO range.

<< Comment #230 @ 17:27 CDT, 16 October 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #229

u need to learn how to dodge bro

Edited by palatka at 17:28 CDT, 16 October 2012

<< Comment #231 @ 01:19 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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T1E ' - Reply to #229

- play 1v1 or 2v2 CA to become more confident in shaft fights (helped me)
- only go for rocket or rail fights in your games vs. them, which should easily work if they are worse duel players than you

- alternatively reflect whether they might actually not be so bad as you think, abusing angles, good enemy prediction leads to the impression of insane aim

<< Comment #237 @ 13:43 CDT, 17 October 2012 >>

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nex1 : - Reply to #229

u need a better pc/connection bro

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Serious

1. Get a 120hz monitor
2. Play 1000 thunderstruck 1v1 matches with
3. Profit.

<< Comment #243 @ 04:36 CDT, 3 June 2013 >>

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SUCKMYROCKET

1. !a #tdmpickup
2. time shaft everytime
3. SHAMANIC drop it to best player in the team
4. do less dmg but win SHAMANIC WAY???

<< Comment #244 @ 07:16 CDT, 3 June 2013 >>

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yoyoman

I just had this thought the other day, so simple yet i only thought about it now. So basically if you want beastly dodging you gotta learn through practice by strafing in a way that makes you hit the lowest amount of lg. If it's difficult for you to hit your lg it should be more difficult for your opponent because they don't know what your next move is whereas you do. There's a few more stuff to lg dodging than this but i'm too lazy to post it. Anyway this should be the main stuff.

<< Comment #245 @ 21:32 CDT, 3 June 2013 >>

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schizm

I learned my LG skills from the master himself - KGB

.65 FTW - he uses 90 FOV i use 120 FOV

Edited by schizm at 21:33 CDT, 3 June 2013