cg_simpleItemsRadius

No, I already use it at MAX and you cant still see the RA at ztn or dm6

unlike rotating 3D items these do not rotate, which isn't really good when you look at them upstairs
And if you make them big via cg_simpleitemsradius they get annoyingly big and fuck you up sometimes, (for example when standing on health bubble with 100+ hp it can suddenly close half of your screen, or for example jumping up on the jumppad when there's smth on top blocking your view afterwards) while still being less visible than 3d items.

3d items may be less noticiable and stuff, but i kinda prefer them, even for meat modes like ctf or tdm

I have 3d items but I have a bind to switch to small simple items so the LG ammo on toxicity doesn't block your view when you try to rail across the map.

1 bind more... but i think there is a new setting where you can chose that armores are 3d and the rest 2d, which seems reasonable

what command is this?

they should make a cmd to make all the items look simple exept Armors imo.

this or just proportion them correctly so that armors are larger and not the same size as an ammo box

Maybe separate cvars for different types of items? cg_simplearmor, cg_simplepowerups, etc.

I'd rather have simpleitems 2 with 3D models which are single coloured

^ and penis

Visually that sounds fairly interesting. Concerning armors... obviously RA and YA would look the same. Would you just want them to have different looking skins/icons but in the same one-color (or two-tone) color scheme?

Time them then you don't have to see them

Sometimes in ztn you are on that moment where you lose your timming of RA and you are thinking about taking a risk move and going to teleport and getting it. It helps if you can see it.

+1 about a new cvar that enables armors and megahealth being 3D and the rest being 2D so it's fair play for everyone. Someone contact Syncerror?

Got nothing to do with being fair, everyone's on a level playing field as it is right now.

Nope, people who use 3D can see items from angles people who use 2D can't. This needs to be fixed. Its a fact.

It's a choice. Therefore, its fair.

It's not. You can't simply chose to use 3D items after years of playing with 2D items, ask any 2D player. So the cvar I suggest is the objective best solution.

Sure you can, and yes it's fair. Then while we're at it we should also remove picmip, cause people who use 16 has a clear disadvantage in depth perception to those who use 0.

Same goes for enemycolors. Some are more visible than others, totally unfair for the ones who pick the wrong one.

You are retarded.

You are retarded.

Yeah logics is a bitch innit. It's alright, I forgive you.

his stance is as logically correct as urs, u just better arguing urs

oh ya, i speak english somestimes

Well no, he's just plain wrong.

It's not unfair when everyone's playing under the exact same circumstances, if you find simplitems 1 to be a disadvantage, then just don't use it. It's as simple as that.

It's also fine to toggle if that's what one person wants, but we're all able to pick the one we find best, in the same way that picmip would be "unfair". It's not.

No, it's you who is objectively wrong and pretends to be right, hence why you got qualified as retarded.

You are not understanding that players who have played with 2D items since forever can't stand 3D items, so they have to deal with not having the same information from the game as 3D players, who are totally comfortable with 3D items. Someone who plays at picmip 1 finds comfortable playing with picmic 1, someone who plays with picmip 5 finds comfortable playing with picmip 5. This doesn't work with simpleitems, because the one that plays with 3D items and feels comfortable with it has and advantage above the player that plays with 2D items and feels comfortable with it but is missing crucial information such as armors not showing.

This is wrong and needs to be fixed, period. You should be able to select what you are more comfortable with (2D or 3D items) without one of them having an obvious objective advantage not subjected to interpretation (the player who plays with picmip 1 claims to have better visibility than someone who plays with picmip 5, etc).
This is fixed with either making 2D armors bigger/raising the sprite up or making a cvar to make the armors stay 3D. Everything else are shitty workarounds (bind to toggle it, lol no). It's as simple as that.

Naw you're just wrong.

It is fair since we're all playing with the same options, it can't get any more fair than that. The fact that _you_ as a person can't change from 2d to 3d in no way makes you eligable to speak like you're a representative of the people, I've used simpleitems for many years now and I would have no problems at all switching to 3d, if that is what I would wish to do. But as I don't see 2d items as a handicap, I got no intentions of doing so.

And it's not wrong. It's a choice.

Im representative of people who has been playing with 2D items since forever. Tell them to switch to 3D, see what happens.
They deal with it while missing crucial information (not seeing armors).
This needs to be fixed, it's not even a discussion.

"It is fair since we're all playing with the same options"

how can you refuse that statement?

By the way, if theres a thing that really isn't fair, is to play with ping disadvantage; it influences the game thousands of times more than a stupid picmip or 2d item.

id can't solve ping issues, it's up to your ISP.
id can solve 3D players having advantage over 2D players.

"id can't solve ping issues"

This kind of answer explain ALL of your undestanding and your comprehension

Stupid fuck. The netcode is good, you can play the game perfect at least ping 60. You cant spect a good game experience with higher ping because it's physicall impossible.

"The netcode is good, you can play the game perfect at least ping 60."

This kind of answer explain ALL of your undestanding and your comprehension

the nedcode is good. i play ping 60 mostly everytime i start the game, and yes there are situations where its hella disadvantageous. my biggest problem with it is that timenudge -20 is a must, and with all the warpers warpers games kinda bust.

id should implent something that increases ping to the maximum jump. someone who got 20 ping as their lowest, but jumps up to a 40+ constantly should be forced to play with 40 all the time, to stop them from warping ass.

Cypher and other eastern european players have won online tournaments playing with that ping. Just beause you suck doesn't mean the netcode is terrible.

ahah, yeah, this logic again, but it's not surprising this time, coming from nemecel..... you empty moron, if a pro does a thing in disadvantage, that doesn't mean that you can do the same....
And this kind of reasonings makes to thinks that you really sucks in ql, if u ever play it, or you would have already realized it by yourself

Netcode is good, you suck, end of discussion.

Netcode can be bad, you are ignorant and suck, end of discussion.

Netcode good, suck my dick faggot.

Netcode good, suck my dick faggot.

I know netcode is good but I will not suck your dick since im not a faggot, faggot.

I know netcode could be better but I will not suck your dick since im not a faggot, faggot.

2D item design could be better too.

but it is totally unrelevant, even more compared to ping disadvantages, that are really really unfair

It's not irrelevant, because you can't see crucial items.

it is, because you can see them and in very less distracting way, in the 99% or so of the cases; Cypher uses 2d items, rapha 3d items, both of them never complained about this like they would never complain against keel/tankjr

Cypher uses 3D items and says he hates them but he had to because of this same reason im explaining on there. He would go back to 2D in a heartbeat if the design flaw was fixed.

Guys like me and Cypher (aka 99.9% of 2D players) would be happier if this was fixed.

Others simply can't stand it like Strenx.

Point refuted again.

"Guys like me and Cypher (aka 99.9% of 2D players)"

...so, oyu are saying that you and x ( i really CANNOT write his name next to your) are the only two players using 2d?

you are smashing dumbness records one after the other

So you can't even read, I get it now.

So you can't even write, I get it now.

Stay mad and illiterate.

Stay mad and ignorant.

Im not here to discuss objective facts, such has it being a design flaw. Syncerror aknowledged this thats why he is going to fix it in the next update. I won, you didn't. This discussion is over.

"Im not here to discuss objective facts"

The greatest truth you have said so far;

If this thing will ever be fixed, it will just be another useless cvar while there are around tons of things generating crashes and annoying drawbacks, that are waiting from years to be fixed or just reduced;

I won, you didn't.
This discussion is over.

Syncerror already said on this thread that he is going to fix it, look around.
I got what I wanted, proved it was something that needed to be fixed and now i'll have the cvar in the next update. Stay butthurt and wrong forever, faggot.

To be fixed in the next time doesn't mean at all that it is an useful or just right thing to do; you didn't got what you wanted, because, even if you clearly doesn't know, actually it's like 12 years that this "issues" is around and discussed, so it's definitely a thing that would come "a little late"; and a "fix" that have been called thouseands of time; you really think that it will be changed because of you?
Not to mention the fact that i would benefit from that thing too, and, basing of your brain activity, probably more than you; and no, i'm sorry but that thing won't make you tier 4 anyway; so you won't even have that excuse to use, and you'll have to fall back on some other excuse; but i'm sure you'll find something worth.

Stay noob, butthurt, and wrong forever, faggot.

Didn't read, Syncerror is going to fix it. Fix = something was wrong.
I'll get what I want, so it's useful because it's making a customer happy. Im sure all 2D players will benefit from this too.
I don't care about what you have to say about this anymore.

Didn't read= here you are:

To be fixed in the next time doesn't mean at all that it is an useful or just right thing to do; you didn't got what you wanted, because, even if you clearly doesn't know, actually it's like 12 years that this "issues" is around and discussed, so it's definitely a thing that would come "a little late"; and a "fix" that have been called thouseands of time; you really think that it will be changed because of you?
Not to mention the fact that i would benefit from that thing too, and, basing of your brain activity, probably more than you; and no, i'm sorry but that thing won't make you tier 4 anyway; so you won't even have that excuse to use, and you'll have to fall back on some other excuse; but i'm sure you'll find something worth.

Stay noob, butthurt, and wrong forever, faggot.

Im gonna get the cvar I needed.
Refuted from the letgo.

Nobody really needed that cvar.

Refuted from the letgo.

Me and a couple other people on there agreed on liking the idea.
Refuted through tangible evidence.

Nobody really needed that cvar.

Ypur reply:"Me and a couple other people on there agreed on liking the idea. "

needs =/= likes;

>believe people need only what I think I need to validate my strawman arguments

Did somebody need cg_crosshairhitstyle?
You are a laughin stock.

>believe people need only what I think I need to validate my strawman arguments

Did somebody need cg_crosshairhitstyle? > yes sir!
You are a laughin stock.

Also: edited

You prove my point with every reply.

It's you, that prove my points whit every reply.

>whit
Please die.

Please die.

You can't kill objective truth.

How is that related to your death?

Im just the messenger, telling the facts.

No. You give your interpretation of things and try to force it as a fact.

>im not here to discuss objective facts.

Facts are facts.

And opinions are opinions. It's time you learn to differentiate both.

Yes, and this being a design flaw that needed a fix (all flaws need a fix if the producer is serious about the product's quality) is a fact, such as 2+2=4. Im not going to lose a single second anymore on this,

Good. I think everyone will be happy if we just let this thread die.

but he isnt playing under the same circumstances :D he has the option to yeah. his choice is to use simpleitems 1 which puts him in a disadvantageous sitution.

not suggesting ql staff should make effort to do anything about it because like u said, he has the option not to use simpleitems.

Just because he's stupid enough to cvar himself to a disadvantage it doesn't mean its unfair. It's a poor choice by him.

He's right that the simpleitems don't correctly reflect the position of the armour in relation to their 3d counterpart though. This is wrong and should be corrected by id.

That's true. But it's not unfair in any way.

Yes it's unfair. If you use 2D items you can't see armors, players who use 3D items can see them. Someday you will accept this objective truth (I hope).

If you choose to play with no crosshair you will probably hit less than a player who set a crosshair for each weapon BUT it's not unfair because it's your own choice. Bad decisions someone does can't be called unfair, better call them dumb.

Should change nick to eatStrawmans

SUCK MY ROCKET!

GTA1 cheat codes don't work in this forum, sadly.

i'm just sorry to have finished the plus to you

Why would you be sorry about that :o

because you are spraying so much truth against trolls or whatever that i would like to have more :)

whats unfair is that 3d ra shows from rail while 2d dont, even if you have the option to play without simpleitems. thats not him being stupid, thats just a flaw in the game.

It's not unfair.

It's unfair because:

If I use 3D: It's not natural to me, unplayable
If I use 2D: It's the natural setting to me, feel comfortable, but im missing information that 3D players have.

Result: Needs to be fixed.

Anything else is being an arQon (aka asshole).

You can't be this dumb, I'm gonna assume you're trying to troll me.

You and everyone who doesn't agree with this cvar being implemented is objectively wrong.

"I want a 300 km/h car that does 5 l/100. It's so unfair that there isn't one."

It's called a choice. We all have the SAME EXACT choice. Unfair would be if I can buy such a car and you can't. Unfair would be if I could choose the settings for both of us. Call it bad design but don't call it unfair.

You are missing the point and taking things out of context.
id can't buy you cars, but id can solve this problem in 2 minutes and make 99% of 2D players happy.

Make a POLL, ASK:

HEY PLAYERS WHO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH 2D ITEMS, WOULD YOU LIKE A FIX FOR YOU BEING ABLE TO SEE IF ARMORS HAVE SPAWNED?

OR

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE FORCED TO USE 3D ITEMS (WHICH YOU DO'T FEEL COMFORTABLE PLAYING WITH) IF YOU WANT TO NOT MISS THAT EXTRA CRUCIAL INFORMATION FROM ITEMS?

See what happens.

i can't believe how exceptionally dumb you are.

>no arguments
>call dumb

>don't understand the arguments
>continue with denial

>provide straw man arguments
>continue in the delusion you are correct

I don't know how to dumb it down more. Last try. The conversation isn't about whether you're right to want such a fix, but what constitutes "unfair". Yes, it's a design fault, but as long as everyone has the same fault it is NOT unfair.

It doesn't mater what interpretation you want to do about it, the thing is it needs to be fixed.

he explained the question perfectly as it is, the one interpretating it is you;



And it doesn't need to be fixed.

Yeah, design flaws need to be fixed. Any flaws should be fixed on a serious game.

Refuted.

he explained the question perfectly as it is, the one interpretating it is you;

Needs to be fixed, end of discussion.

Doesn't need to be fixed, contrarily to other bigger issues, end of discussion.

Flaws need to be fixed by definition if the game takes itself serious. This discussion was over since the start.

But it's not a flaw.

I change configs, sensitivities, different accels and all and can get used to them in under an hour. You must have something wrong with you if you can't get used to 3d items, something that barely matters to the feel of the game.

It's a design fault that you can not see the armors in 2D mode, im not here to discuss objective facts.

Learn to read!

Learn to read.

i think you're missing something.

Orbb feels so natural to me, but i am missing the information what keel players have

Needs to be fixed

Trolling is not natural to me, because you are a bad one.

i'm not even going to ask you how can you be so stupid to blame arqon for a thing just developed by id, because you are retarded or trolling, or even both.

While you are at it. Maybe ask SyncError to let quakelive push a standard cfg for everyone. So much fairplay then.... Sigh

right now you have the two most annoying users on esr arguing with you, congratz :p don't give up!!

bafta

what a bunch of lazy bums.... they both have pro and cons, it is up to you to choice ; basically 3d items are disadvantaging in general, and so are the choice of pros like rapha, that uses 3d items;
Aniway the difference is so small that it is almost unrelevant

both have pros and cons, overall 3d-items are better

2D items = not distracting
3D items = visible in some places where 2D aren't
Logical thing to do: Make a filter cvar for armors.

high fov= better with rockets and moving
low fov= better with rail, bad for moving

Logical thing to do: Make a filter cvar for fovs?

No, use the zoom function faggot troll.

uncorrect answer; the next:
high picmip=less distracting, less space comprehension;
low picmip= blabla

Logical thing to do: Make a filter cvar for picmips (assuming it would be possible)?

What you fail to understand is that low picmip players are more comfortable (which constitutes being less distracted etc) than high picmip players.

uncorrect answer; you don't even have a clue of what "low" pimic means, assuming that they are 0 or 1 lol;the next:
high sens= higher reactivity, lower accuracy;
low sens= blabla

Logical thing to do: Make a filter cvar for sensitivity? (assuming it would be possible)?

Strawman argument.

Retarded arguments...

Irrelevant reply.

Not; in all the cases listed above, you have to choose what you think is better for you: exactly like with simpleitems, that in 95% of the cases are the better choice; and when all the players have the same possibility, it is not penalizing, contrarily to big questions like the ping, that you ignore in your noobnessy.

Flaws need to be fixed. Armors not being visible in 2D more is a severe flaw since lots of players play with 2D mode.
List me a precise flaw about the netcode that needs to be fixed.

Refuted.

you don't even know what you are talking about.
And for the last time: it's not a flaw

It's a design fault that you can not see the armors in 2D mode, im not here to discuss objective facts.

"im not here to discuss objective facts. "
This is the very first FACT you wrote here.

You forgot the fact 2D armors not being visible constitutes an objective design flaw that needs to be fixed.

I didn't forget it: first , it is not a "design" thing, and second, it is not a flaw: it's EXACTLY like to choose between keel and tankjr (you probably don't even have a clue of what i'm talking about, in this case, or you already would be raging about them; ) : both of them have pros and cons to each other, its true that an hybrid between them would be more competitive, but it is even more true that being able to choose, it is NOT PENALIZING to other players;
you will never heard a pro whining "not fair! he had 3d/2d items, how could i won against him?!! ban him!!", while ping issues and relative disadvantes are always called in cause; but you consider the netcode and the ping the best possible, and totally fair, and that explain A LOT of your opinions's relevance.

You are stupid. Quake was always about modification and customization. With your mentallity, custom huds wouldn't 't exsist, crosshairhealth wouldn't 't exsist,ch_recordMessage wouldn't 't exsist, ch_playerNames wouldn't 't exsist, ch_Pickupitem wouldn't 't exsist, ch_Obituaries wouldn't 't exsist,ch_inverseTeamChat wouldn't 't exsist, ch_crosshairPulse wouldn't 't exsist, cg_crosshairHitTime wouldn't 't exsist..

The sum of little cvars like these make a great customizable game. This would be yet another great addition to the package. I don't care if the keel-tankjr analogy is correct or not.

"I don't care if the keel-tankjr analogy is correct or not."

Again, this kind of statements accerts that you talk without even knowing the things; do you know what i mean when i say keel/tankjr?

to have crosshair color is TOTALLY another quastion than this; nobody claimed that there shouldn't be custom huds, it's only your paranoia;

Ah, i almost forget:
You are stupid.

Yes I know Tankjr is bigger than keel, thats irrelevant to fixing a design flaw such as armors not being visible.

You are a totally fucking mongoloid.

"Yes I know Tankjr is bigger than keel, thats irrelevant to fixing a design flaw such as armors not being visible."

Ahahah oh please, you are ruining your reputation for the next 10 years, if that means anything, which it don't...

It's not only that, but i won't add the particulars you don't know, just because then you could change your mind about that thing, and even be advantaged in some way, lol;
The only thing you have to know is that TO CHOOSE between keel/tankjr is EXACTLY like to choose between 2d/3d, only WAY more important, because it effect the game in 100% of the situations, contrarily to the 2d/3d, that has something like the 1% or less; and mostly it affect the game even in gamemode without items

OWNED

Ah, and i almost forgot:

You are a totally fucking mongoloid.

No it's not. It would be fucking stupid to have 30 models with exactly the same size. It's variety for aesthetic purposes and to make newbies have fun with the different models. Having the exact same model 30 times would be alienating and boring for them.

2D and 3D should be equal, since 2D is a hardcore feature. It's stupid that you lose visibility using it.

Point refuted.

No it's not: you again confirmed that you don't really know the differences between keel/tankjr, or you wouldn't be talking of things like alienating and aesthetic; or, wait: are you saying that you don't use forcemodel to don't feel alienated and bored?
...and you claim that you are diadvantaged by simpleitems?
Simpleitems are more advantaging than 3d items.

Point refuted.

Simpleitems are less advantaging than 3D items if the player is 3D item player (comfortable with 3D items and he actually can see fucking armors)

Refuted

"Simpleitems are less advantaging than 3D items if the player is 3D item player (comfortable with 3D items and he actually can see fucking armors)"

Doesn't even makes a sense

Refuted

>makes a sense
>can't into grammar
>can't read

Refuted from the letgo

>makes a sense
>can't into grammar
>can't read
>can't admit own errors

Refuted from the letgo

Cmon let's contact Syncerror to be able to get 3D armors only. This is a great feature idea.

You are wrong on so many aspects...

Shame arqon isn't around to tell him about his good ideas.

He can talk to qrealka though.


(demonic laugh)

You can disable rotating and bobbing (why would you?) and you can bind one key to for example silent walk and enable 3d items when it's pressed (using alias).

I also don't think anyone needs the setting that you're proposing and that anyone would benefit from it. I'd also rather see simple 3D models (bigger MH, weapons with more color on them, ammo color of course) instead of the idiotic sprites.

What's next, Doom-style simpleenemy? Or enemymodel hitbox/bright?

Please id, no more retarded changes that make anyone wanting to compete make their game look shit. I want to be able to compete with good looking config in this game from 2010, ffs.

Why would you? Because moving stuff that isn't the enemy is annoying as fuck.

Having all your 2D items becoming 3D at once when pressing a key? No thanks, too distracting.

Who would benefit?

How about 100% of people who use 2D items? Using 3D items gives you the objective advantage of seeing items from angles where if you were to be using 2D items you could never see:

ZTN RA
DM6 RA

and im sure there are others.

So it's logical that there must be a cvar that allows for bypassing ARMORS when using 2D items. This could be implemented in 2 minutes and im sure someone would benefit from this.

There are 3 or 4 cvars dedicated only to SPARKS ffs.

Honestly, your argumentation is (ESR language incoming) re-tar-ded.


- Enemy for you is things that are moving on screen? In this case, you surely shoot walls all the time, because they move when you turn!

And then you surely don't shoot enemy if he sits somewhere camping. Green thing, doesn't move? Must be railgun ammo and definitely isn't enemy!

But wait, there is cg_itemFx 0. Guess what! It stops items in the HIGHEST position! So you can see the armor immediately and not get a glimpse of movement every second when it's up. And it DOESN'T MOVE at all.


- Having a key that shows you armors is too distracting? What else is distracting, jump key moving your view height? That's the fucking purpose and you control it!

It's YOU who want to see the RA as 3D model. It's YOU who DOESN'T think it will be distracting. And it's YOU who would press a button sitting on ztn shards to see the armor!


There are at least 4 cvars dedicated to items (simpleitems, simpleitemsscale, itemfx, ambientscale, you can count r_lodbias too). And it is too much already, especially since only two of them are available in the settings menu.


(But there is always space for third value of simpleitems :))

Some people find 3D models umbearable and find the 2D design much more clean and visually appealing (which they are).
You are talking shit for no reason and what me and some people suggested makes complete sense. Your opinion is irrelevant.

For the last time: if you find 3D models unbearable, why do you want them for all armors? Suddenly bearable? You don't make any sense.

To paraphrase: what I and others have suggested (enable 3D when you're looking at the armor) makes complete sense.

Because only armors are affected by this due 2D size and the spots they are placed at. Having only the armors (the items were you are focused 100% of the time, thus looking at) isn't distracting. Having EVERYTHING in 3D is distrating for someone who has played in 2D for years. Having all the items around you going from 2D to 3D when pressing a key (another thing to worry about, an extra key to toggle from 2D to 3D, unless you bind it to something like +speed, whch is equally annoying since sometimes you just want to have a quick look and see if the armor is up, ie: defending megahealth and having quick looks at the RA from the bottom, last thing you want to do is walk/crouch on there guaranteeing you eat a rocket).

What makes complete sense is a new cvar that would please everyone who is playing in 2D because you are getting extra info from the game that you aren't getting unless you play with 3D which we 2D players find horrid. The toogle button is a extremely cheap workaround when this cvar could be coded in minutes.
The people who don't want to use it, it's just another cvar that you can ignore just like other over 9000 cvars that you don't even know about. See how it's win/win?

http://s14.postimage.org/s4wz1oj2n/3_Ditemsadvantage.jpg

Duh.

with 140 fov i can see ra from a position i normaly wouldnt with a fow of 100.. should this be fixed?

No, because that's a strawman argument.

If ID kept on adding cvars, this game would turn to squares shooting at triangles.

like q3 was.

If they removed half the useless cvars and instead added useful cvars like the one suggested ITT.

I wish this game adopted the same config scripting scheme that ioq3 has, with things like 'toggle' and 'echopopupcvar' etc etc.
That would be absolutely amazing.
The only potential cvar I can think of is one to disable 'team sounds'. So you no longer hear the shots, hurt sounds of your own team.
Also, maybe a thin version of LG style 5...
One can only hope! :)

It's amazing that after 12 fucking years players are still getting mad with the same little things: in that case, 2d or 3d items!!!!!! We are back to the 2000s....

Expecially with the tons of other more serious issues: unplayable ping disadvantages, system bugs, weapon balancings...

Yeah, in the meantime lets's add cg_plasmaguncolor and other 4000 spark variables.

u mad? This has nothing to do with what i wrote

Not even mad.

reterded, then... ok.

nope

fucking this.

I think no one ever lost a match because the enemy could the see the goddamn ra in a specific angle and blablabullshit.

if you lost, there's like 9001 other things to think about.

here's a cvar that make people improve a lot on quake: CG_STOPWHINING 1

Yeah, no one ever lost a match because cg_drawgun didn't' exsist, custom huds didn't exsist, crosshairhealth didn't exsist,ch_recordMessage didn't exsist, ch_playerNames didn't exsist, ch_Pickupitem didn't exsist, ch_Obituaries didn't exsist,ch_inverseTeamChat didn't exsist, ch_crosshairPulse didn't exsist, cg_crosshairHitTime didn't exsist... do I need to go on with a million cvars that aren't really crucial but cool to have them because surely someone is using them to make his game experience better?

Im yet to encounter someone with a counterargument for this that isn't a retard.

individually they may seem nada, but adding up everything together they make different

true story, sexy boy!

I think, that would be a client variable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw

Wow this thread is a mess.

Well done.

nemecel is a mess

Nemecel: are you from Poland or USA USA USA by any chance?

None of the above.

ZTN SHOULD NOT BE IN THE MAPPOOL WITH 2D ITEMS

who are you, and why are you so retarded?

Yeah, you tell that idiot to shut up!

imagine if the cfg setting was forced then all this blapper would be redundant. also it would be more competitive. yay.

Yeah, let's force people to play in uncomfortable enviornments instead of adding a simple cvar that would solve everything.
Fucking retards.

would solve everything would have been invented by now but wont make a difference for 98% of all players.

They would have gotten away with it, if it wasnt for thoose meddeling kids.

Weren't there some quake4 "pro"-tourneys, where the players were only alowed to change settings via menu?

i think there were one, winz won it with customized cfg >D

Did he use simpleitems 1 or 0? :]

they were all menu-only but then eswc decided you could use configs but only the french players knew about it

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12 years ago, the exactly same "issues" was discussed; then, all the players went on; now, we are back again; it must be true, that hystory always repeat itself

And thanks to people complaining about the original Quake things like OSP and CPMA were created.

yes, its how everything around us got created, cars, buildings, osp...

u can bind simpleitems on/off to ur zoom =)

Ensuring all the silky smooth non-distracting for 2D players 2D items turn into disgusting big and distracting 3D models everytime you zoom and aim to kill the enemy (in the moment where you need to focus the most).

Notice also how 3D players don't have this problem = 3D-comfortable players have an advantage.

I'm used to walk in FPS games. Strafe jumping doesn't feel natural to me. I'm not comfortable with it and it's unplayable.Therefor, I don't have a choice; I am forced to only walk. Given the circumstances, it is outrageous that strafe-jumping players have an advantage.

^That's how retarded your "argument" sounds like to me.

Strawman argument.

If you want. I don't really care about the debate. I'm only here for the entertainment, like when I read CooloutAC or raythenoob. Thanks for that.

Use 3d models, close one eye. Problem solved.

lol :D

This topic isn't deserving of a 150 post thread. :p I don't see us implementing any options where some items are displayed in 3d where other items are in 2d. Even if that is a working solution for some, it seems odd to be so inconsistent.

I have however increased the max radius size from 22 to 24, and added the ability (/me chuckles and sighs while typing this) to make the simpleitem icons bob. With those two features, the simple item armors are visible on both Bloodrun and Campgrounds in the provided 'troublesome' examples.

how about that analog clock instead of numbers?

For the match timer? I guess that eliminates the need to do math for item timing...

I think there is something to be done to simplify or help learning item timing. Like a clock that would count only seconds so a 10mn game would show 600s. I had another idea that i will explain with an exemple : whenever i grab an item the game shows for 1s on the hud the next timing for that item, that would be an unranked game and parametrable only for pro spawned servers.

when memento mori asked rapha about his timing technique, he said you have to learn a new language for red(01=26, 02=27... and for mega(01=36, 02=37..)

with an analog timer for displaying seconds you can have similar instant impressions of time, by only moving the clock pointer in your mind, and you only really need to visualize the 3 angles(180°/+-30°, for health bubbles, armour and mega..) and its also a lot easier this way to keep track of time intuitively, instead of doing math every time you check your time for upcoming items.

this would be a lot easier for me and i bet for a lot of other players, new and old.

wasn't it easier just making them fly higher?

I did try that out. The high point of the bob is high enough that it looked very odd having them static at that height (and really threw off positioning of those rare floating items).

(And as far as easier goes, I added the support for bobbing in under 2 minutes.)

I could add cg_simpleItemsHeightOffset with a small acceptable range :p

I went ahead and added it.

cool, thanks :)

will be featured in the next update ? cause the cmds do not work

Well one sure thing is that it can't work without an update. Now which update will it be? I don't know. Probably the next, as you suggested.

Feb. 2013. No maps, cg_plasmacolor.

Works as expected for those pesky locations such as dm6 and ztn but the ammo boxes are so huge there's no point in using them because it just blinds you. For e.g. the ammo boxes near mega on ztn and the tele on aero. Maybe have seperate size and offset for the major items (ra/mh/ya)?

While you're at it, can you make simple armors simpler? At the moment they're two colors and I have to stare long distance to decide whether they're up. A single solid color is much easier to distinguish.

cg_simpleItemsHeightOffset doesn't seem to do anything for me (0-18 makes no observable difference). Do I need to restart the game or something? Thanks for the bobbing though... can finally go back to simpleitems, yay :]

Edit: Ah, I see it does work when bobbing is disabled! :) Super

nice troll.

Im glad you have fixed this objective design flaw for the next update.
But are the armors visible if you use radius 24 and keep them static?
If not, for those who find annoying and distrating lots of things bouncing around the map, would be cool if you could add a cvar that gives the bob effect only to the relevant items that need it (armors and megahealths). Forcing people that are used to the static world of 2D items to keep them bouncing around would be hardly a fix. The point is keeping the same 'static' experience making visible only the couple of important items (which area always only armors and MH).

Thanks

cg_simpleItemsBob 2 will bob only the Armors and MH. This plus any size increase you want resolves the issues you've noted.

Im glad these small yet annoying and objective flaws of the game are getting into consideration and fixed even if some idiots are somehow against heading to nothing but perfection. Im also glad warmup idiots are now forced to ready up with the new update aswell.

Thanks.

hey, since you're here.. :P

you should add the original q3 xhairs. you know.. the ones without borders? :D?

145 posts are from nemecel and nex1 barking at each other.

to be correct, i'm just trolling on nemecel, and sometimes trying to show him his own megaerrors and noob mentality; if you cannot discriminate between the two, that means you agree with nemecel, i do hope not :)

zomg this must be so important w/e it is.

Mega and armors have a different icons, which makes it unfair to some players, since they know if they are picking a megahealth or an armor. Fix it please.

Judging by the recent popularity, this thread will have more replies than we meat again by the end of the month.

>almost 200 posts
>"cg_stopWhining" not implemented yet

Srsly, guys...

>cg_ignoreBRBRBR not implemented yet

\cg_HUE 8001

sure is aspie in here...