i wanted to play it but didnt have money to buy a computer at the time, so i went back to q3.
it seemed to be because lack of support, loss of tourneys, and high system requirements.
made it hard for the game to take off.
"inb4 q3 was better"


it did give us god of war sanchez
so for that it will always be my favorite quake game

it failed because, like QL, it didnt improve on anything from its predecessors.

qw-q3 will forever be held as classic MP gems. unfortunately the same will never be said for Q4 / QL years from now.

quakeworld has been topped?






i kid ;p

What did q2 improve upon qw and Q3 upon q2?

nothing
who needs step up when you can rj in all modes and have a grapple in ctf

grapple+aircontrol in ctf is something only very few experienced and loved. Sadly that will never make a good comeback because that requires doing the whole gametype (maps etc) based on that feature.

Most of the "improvements" would come down to personal opinions, but if i could point to one thing, i'd point to the progression of weapon balance. I'd definitely say QW has the worst of the bunch, while QL has the best, with Q2, Q3 and Q4 being somewhere in between.

cpm has the best balance out of any game that i've played, even better than ql's. never tried q4 tho, so i can't compare that one.
yes, qw's balance is bad, but that doesn't make it a bad game. hell, even with the balance issue, it's still the greatest quake game to me.
surprisingly, it's not the hardest for a fresh spawn in duel.
q2 easily takes that prize(classic cpm is the 2nd worst offender).

qw isnt unbalanced! QW is pure awesomness. Lg dmg is the shit

PERFEKT BALENS I KIL NEILGAN + MACHETE KOMBOR )))))

Yeah sure, i'm not saying it's a bad game, in fact i love QW and i think that bad weapon balance is a big part of it's charm. A game being chaotic (in a good way) like that just sort of takes me back to a time when developers tried being creative and weren't afraid to experiment. Games today feel so, i don't know, sterile. Q1/QW will forever stand as a baseline for a good game, regardless of it's flaws.

Also, yeah, the blaster is a piece of shit. I suppose they really weren't thinking of MP when they were polishing up Q2 (iirc Q2 didn't even have MP maps out of the box, you got them with a point release).

My point was that each quake is its own game. Atleast when you look at the physics. Some weapons are common, but they're still different in between games when you take a closer look. And when you leave that the health and armor system has changed in every game too.

Damn Nzer0, you should rename to mr. sensible! :)

out of the box multiplayer support had many important problems, one being the first game that i played to not work with anything less than dedicated 128k/s uppload speed. As a quake game lots of people tryed it, but quickly flyed before the pacthes that made it playable, as it should had been on release.

more important question is - what exactly would constitute "success" from a new deathmatch game? would it have to have something fundamentally new, something that hasnt happened since q3 probably, or would it just be the same basic idea, in a polished form out of the box (aka at least as good functionally as cpma) with fancy graphics and other bullshit designed to attract more people to play?

On a sidenote they could reuse the Q4 rocket/grenade and plasma explosions which are way smoother to implement them in QL realy :P

That would be cool. Or an option for both anyway, like with crosshairs. The Q4 flags look neat but harder to see and worse in normal gameplay.

I want jumppads that can kick nades into the air and projectiles that can travel through teleporters.

Even on a computer that ran [whatever max fps were in q4] I think it felt choppy. I never had the feeling of it being as smooth as q3 was, and if you ever experienced a jump in ping you were royally fucked.

I really loved the crouch sliding though. No troll.

I don't remember any advertising on the MP aspect of q4.

I didn't even try it cause I saw how weird and bad single player seemed. I was even looking for a new game to switch to around that time but I somehow missed out on knowing how good it was until i saw some movie called Sorrow and realized the online portion was a real quake game :x Also it was around this same time (2007 I think) that id finally released a MP demo for the game...

Ah well, knowing now how NA scenes handle Quake games I doubt I really missed much -_-

Quake4 shotgun feels so much more powerful due to the animation of the weapon.

Q4 shotgun had much smaller spread than Q3 shotgun

q4 shotgun was overpowered

I LIk teh dooom 3 sohtgun mor, 4uck quakle 4 men!!!!!1111

To much skill, no one except toxjq cooller and av3k ever won anything big.

Q4-1v1 after +1.3 patch is still a very nice game to play if you would have a competitive scene. QW/Q2/Q3(QL) are all better games as a whole. Where I count in duel, tdm, ctf and other modes that has a player base.

Quake is not big enough to have several competitive scenes (read LAN support + bigger exposure/marketing), but it would have the best(most skillful after SC2) and most competitive platform for gaming if we would be united. This will not happen as we are all different people who fell in love with different 'girls' :)

i still have this little bit of hope that we can all move on to a new game, be it a quake, or another shooter. one day....

i did like q4 alot, it was a fresh start and gave me an oppertunity to learn the game from the beginning like everyone else. Which in my opinion is also the reason why QL wont grow, too many veterans that newcommers dont want anything to do with.

i still don't get that argument, back in the day you would suck it up, get owned, and learn the hard way. You can't expect to rack up kills when ur a newbie, plus the skillgap from newbie in ql(not fps) to tier3 is not that big. But i get it, cod taught the kids of today to be able to join ur first game and immediately rack up those killing sprees..

ye man, its that instant gratification u get in all these big commercial games. kids grow up with it and dont know any better. playing quake for years to become really good at it? fuck no i wanna own it up right nao! ;D

I remember watching some Eurocup or something, it was nations cup i think, seeing you playing Q4 Tdm, looking badass and all with a big ass snus and kicking ass. That was the moment i started to play quake alot, thximnowagameaholic. Q4 <3

1000s of casuals never happened because q4 is complete shit vs ut2k3, q4 is full of bugs, no water, no voice taunts, no full customizable player models, no nothing

no1 has ever tested or mentioned q43a all the recoding and better netcode, yall just like to think you know

who does, its just another same old shit quake thread, with all the same old shit hence another same old shit quake thread

everything has been fixed and recoded etc etc etc in q43a and all the casual missing features have been added and fully work on dedciated servers, you can disable them all and play a normal lame quake 4 action game

who would actually give a fuck about any of the threads on this place, if you all just carry on talking the same shit for 2 years without even trying Q43A that has it all

Really, probation?
Come on, the coolest people on ESR cannot be plussed.

it failed because of not being developed by id software. After they stepped in (syncerror) it got pretty good, but it was way too late.

this

q4 multiplayer 'failed' because
1) out of the box it took a monsterous pc to play.
2) it was marketed as a single player game.
3) they changed the online mode too drastically from 1.3 -> 1.4 (essentially it is a whole different game).
4) on default settings the game was impossible to play online you really had to set it up right. After a whlie though mappers figured out how to make decent maps for all settings... but by that time most (new) people had already given up.

I haven't really played q2 although it's what got me started into q3 so I'll only compare how I liked q4 with q3:

q4ctf = q3ctf
q4duel > q3duel
q4tdm < q3tdm

Those are my feelings in terms of enjoyment and how the game felt for me. So I would give q4 the same rating as q3 (I only played q4 with 1.4.2 version and I really LOVED it)

I actually found the q4-ctf quite enjoyable (more so than q3) because pulling off movement perfect was really hard to do but could give you a lot of bonus as attacker ;)

As for duel my preference would go out to q3 because you can set up more / better traps if you read your opponent correctly. While in q4 you can't really slow the game down, theres only a few 'correct ways' to play which I find very limiting.

I would fully agree on tdm though ;)

it failed because neither the engine nor the game had any work put into them for multiplayer, it was a crappy add-on to a singleplayer.

Ticktrate is locked @ 90

Thats why :D

It was @60 and trying to protect our eyes by trying to change r_displayrefresh "120" was a "cheat" by RAVEN devs + id approvers.

Q4 muliplayer was outsourced to Raven, who did a horribly job. And id didn't really seem to give a shit, so the mp part was nearly unplayable out of the box and it took at least a year to get it into a somewhat acceptable.

Some memories:

- completely useless maps
- no autodownload of custom maps/mods, and you had to have all maps that the server had (even when watching a demo)
- shitty performance and 60 fps cap
- endless list of bugs, especially the sound
- no competition features (brightskins etc) at all (except a tourney mode, that was really bugged)

Also the entire q3 community were expecting a game, that would have been at least as fully developed as their game + cpma/osp.

Its such a shame, when you look for example at the sign up numbers for clanbase 1v1 or tdm (800 players for duel and way over 100 teams). The entire q3 community and also a huge part of the ut2k4 community (and others) were looking forward to a milestone in the fps business. Instead id and raven delivered them a pile of shit.

And dont forget that 2005 we had the painkiller cpl worldtour, which took esports to a complete new level. Nobody liked to play the game, but many people watched it. CPL Winter with q4 had a huge list of legendary players from q3,q2 and ut.

If id had taken the multiplayer part more seriously (before release), I am sure that the whole situation for the quake community and maybe even esports in general woulg look completely different.

omfg 10% plus

omfg the sound... the nightmares..

trying to compete, realize you need some shit called openal active to get sound to an acceptable level, mfw openal requires an actual soundcard, lolwut

I remember coming back from fps inactivitity to test quake4 and i had literally <10 fps on it. completely unplayable and i didnt stick around for more than a few days. worthless

Q4 failed because it was supposed to be better than Q3 in every aspect, and it failed at this miserably.

So Q4 failed because it failed, aye? :))))

No, you oversimplify my statement.

Basically, it failed because it was unable to provide players with what they expected (solid multiplayer game) plus it was way ahead of its time in some most critical aspects (graphics and network architecture).

I always thought Q4 was completely done by Raven. The singleplayer was done by id then?

"QL on its last legs"

Looks like QuakeLive got hundreds of legs left then. :)

Q4 was utter shit on release and ppl went back to Q3, after 1.3 and 1.4 it was better than Q3 imo, but it was too late. Then WSVG died and QL was released to put the final nail in the coffin.

GOD OF WAR SANCHEZ CAME TO QUAKE 4

What makes you say it failed?

q4 can be awesome if used with proper modifications

hi port :)

It has a very slow and unresponsive feel compared to q1/q2/q3

q43a unslug q4 aslong as dynamic enviroment shadows are disabled

server and client only runs the code it needs for each and every spawned entity, and why you can have mp vechicles, water, custom map gravity, voice taunts etc etc etc with still better performance and no snapshot overflows, and upto 128 players if the server cpu is good enough

recording netdemos when acting as a listen server dont work, its some junk code in the engine that will crash when played back, need to use a dedicated server for everyone to record demos

Quake 4 had potential, by all means, but straight off the bat it felt like a cheap remake of earlier quake games, with only a slight flavor of 'new stuff' added to render it respectable to call it the new kid on the block.

I too liked the crouch-slide as it did add more fun to the whole movement section of twitch shooters. What bothered me was exactly as others have pointed out: the pc requirement at release. Now, Quake/Quakeworld and quake 3 (and no, quake 2 didn't) was basically the same thing, but seeing as the times have advanced since then, and because of the role the quake series have played in eSports over the years, they should have put minimizing the requirement as, well, basically, a top priority. No eSport can thrive if the frames per second is an issue, which it always is especially in twitch shooters.

There are other things about Quake 4 that put me off, but thats more of a personal dislike more than an actual flaw in the game, I think.

If I had to list a single thing, it would have been the lack of auto download for mods and maps at launch. It took a long time to get this key enabling feature that prevented modders from fixing the other problems listed without causing players a lot of hassle to be able to join the server.

Competitive features like bright skins, team overlay, and a normal duel mode were added in mods pretty quickly (well before autodl was working). Same goes for big performance boosts (initially vertex lighting and later other things.

q43a fixes all of that, and removes the addon.conf that is not needed anyway, and all packed in pk4s, that will all be downloaded direct of the game server if a client does`nt already have q43a, you can just download it all when connecting for windows or linux clients, for all your maps, custom player models, damage sets too

were you not the coder for q4max as I remember?

I hated q4 even after modding... but q4max (and its competitior that I cannot recall now) were the only things that let it live as long as it did.

cant say I miss it in the slightest, felt like utter shite - even on a computer that was more than capable of playing it.

:ninjaedit: just read 2 posts below... xbattle

I wanted to play it when it came out but my PC couldn't run it. So I didn't get into Q4 at all but I remember there was already some community splitting with 2 major mods, Q4max and some other Also remember there were guides on how to set up Q4 because it was so confusing with many different patches, files and mods you needed.

Xbattle

that was because max and xbattle was competing i guess, and added a tiny bugfix, then version 1.2.345 was out and you needed to upgrade, instead of giving a version some time, adding real features and bugfixes and THEN releasing.

I played through the single player and liked it hehe

99.9% chance Q4 will never be revived though while QL exists (and is, well, free to a degree, and actually has a competitive scene).

Damn shame though, watched some frag movies and it looks pretty fun.

The game was good, especially after patches, but upon release it was a pile of crap... Raising the inevitable question: Why should i spend 3-500$ on my PC to play a game that is

1, A horrible bugfest
2, Has much smaller community than my current game (Q3)
3, Offers in many aspect, an inferior playing experience

The game itself was nothing ground breaking, neither it was 1999 anymore so waiting a year or two to play a game as opposed to what it was with Q3 for many was also unacceptable.

In the meantime the community was satisfied with their allready settled game: Q3, also the modding battle (Xbattle VS Q4max) definitely didnt helped for anyone was not deeply integrated in the Q4 scene, let alone consoles just started to booming also withdrawing a lot of players / potential casual newcomers from PC gaming in general.

you talk ass, it was released in 2005, every online vid I have uploaded has been made on a athlon xp underclocked and running at 1.9 with the dedicated server and client running on the same desktop and recorded live with fraps

d3 was before its time and full of the same bugs

Q4 just feels terrible compared to quake 3. The engine sucked.

it had the same problem that doom 3 had.....they were revolutionary at the time of release and in order to play it you had to buy a new computer as the system requitements were very high for that era. Basically u had to spend $60 for the game and $500+ in upgrades to your quake 3 machine and naturally only a few did. That + all the bugs that come with an initial release made all the quake 3 babies cry. After the release of q4max the game was amazing but still noone stayed because noone wanted to spend $500 to play it.

I don't think the requirements were too massive. I played on a P4 2.8Ghz and Geforce 6600GT, to reach quite a stable 60fps - and I was a poor uni student.

All you guys were expecting to play a brand new game in 2005 on 1996 hardware maybe? lol

I really liked Q4, if they added crouch sliding to QL it would have been amazing.

I'd play Q4 if I could at that time. I remember I planned to play it after the upgrade but by the time I got it, Q4 was dead.
Had Athlon 2000xp, 512MB RAM and Radeon 9000 at the time. Was enough to finish single player campaign but it was shit for multiplayer

Q4 had the best gameplay/mechanics of any fps i have played so far. What i also rly liked about it was the amount of gr8 maps in duel/ctf/tdm without relying to much on remakes that have been played in previous quake games. The amount of bugs and the engine were rly annoying though. I played it with an athonl xp 3200+ and a 6800GT at the beginning and it was nowhere near smooth. Later i got a c2d + x1900xt and the fps cap was changed to 120 i think. From that time on it was a joy to play the game.

90fps

default in last patch was 90, but mod maker could use whatever they want.

I think of it as a faster vq3, great gameplay with great maps like placebo effect but as we've covered the state of release and setup etc. Get q4 1.4.2 with q4max 0.82 @ 120fps with a few net settings adjustments and its smooth as ever

I played the game and physics were enjoyable. graphics this, fps-caps that.. doesnt matter when you going quake autoban speed.

playback support, constant version change of maps.

The same reason QL did; bad initial development.

Because it was shit before 1.4 (or smthng) and when it really became a good game nobody cared anymore.