holy fuck it's so obvious why isn't he banned already?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ? !?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

sorry, i dont understand

yes

that's Daddy_

nah

that's aztec

whos aztec anyway

daddy

they are like, completely different people?

1 hits harder than 2

I wonder how many little brothers zamuz has

twelve

why isnt he banned yet?

why did I ask

why did I ask

twise.

xD

x(

twice*

fak.

just shaky hands

or a razer abyssus

just jizzed

from this video , it looks like cheat. but need demo, and slow motion.

and dubstep

I lol'ed

looks equally weird in 125 fps

and shownormals

i'm more impressed by his wierd horizontal rocket jumps.

Whole match? Most definitely not.

neh

false

yo

http://i.imgur.com/xy0zRXA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BU3Hg7S.jpg

I know about #1
No idea wtf #2 is :D

The impact marks do not appear on the right half of that curved section of wall. Happens both below stairs and above.

Actually it's almost that entire section of wall.

http://i.imgur.com/MG9StPI.jpg

No marks register between the two rocket impacts on either side.

not my trouble :]

http://imgur.com/3DwFFMy

so... when you fire LG at that section of wall, the cg_marks appear?

also: config link pls ))

based on (c) noctis.cfg
gotta love my pink crosshair! <3

http://www.file-upload.net/download-7193404/yell.zip.html

pink corrhair is da best

Also http://imgur.com/b69LjgY hope this was not already mentionned.

btw, m8,
how do you set ur clock in that position and make it that size?

http://visualhud.pk69.com/

make your own clock, download file, open it with notepad and check "TIMER" section

Supposing you've already set up your config to use a custom HUD, these are my timer settings:

menuDef {

    name "timer"
    fullScreen MENU_FALSE
    visible MENU_TRUE
    rect 279 10 97 31 

    itemDef {

        name "timerCounter"
        rect 0 130 68 30 
        visible 1
        textalign 0
        decoration
        textstyle 3 
        forecolor 2 1 1 0.65 
        textscale 0.95 
        ownerdraw CG_LEVELTIMER
    }
}

you're making it too easy for him. :)

see thru rocket launcher?

seta cg_drawGun "3"

i must admit some of his rails were impressive, he hit like 3 flickshots in a row at some moment

Guys, if you want to judge, watch the demo, not the youtube vid. Youtube vids are often fucked up because of the 30 fps and possible temporal resampling (depending how they were captured). I saw very fishy situation look normal in the demo.

This. YouTube downsamples the videos, even if they are uploaded and created in a higher fps-rate (making 60, or 120fps go down to 30 fps).

mensa achievement unlocked!
i beat cooller with sub par, shaky aim. what more do you wanna know?
y u no enjoy my fail aim and lulz gauntlet comeback?

Because you use memes.

o rly

by the video im not referring to your "shaky aim", but the milisec snap correction that also makes the screen freeze. also, if im right the demo pov is delayed by x, which means you reacted to the head of the model. its just very unbelievable that a person could react like that

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2lwqd94&s=7

k1llsens moves has motion, even if its very slight at moments

I don't see the difference tbh.

k1llsen is even doing a lot of strafe aiming, and you see nothing different? are u blind? you're making me honestly conserned

none of that is strafe aiming (at least in the fight immediately at that link)

This isn't strafe aiming. All his movement in this vid is obviously deliberate dodging.

Ofc his aim doesn't look exactly like zeun's but I was responding to your post about "milisecond snap corrections". What do you mean by "makes the screen freeze"?

any shaft fight is part strafe aim =) its not even comparable to what zeuns clips, so the whole discussion is useless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjSX8r94aRA&am...amp;t=2m7s - look at the absolute last part of his shafting there. when hes getting his 100% at the end, the crosshair is focused to a single pixel it creates a certain focus. its like spinning a remote or some, the center will still be in focus will the rest is just a blur =PPPP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLkEx9lBvdc&am...mp;t=5m54s - this also works, but the effect is clearer when zeun is in motion or if its because hes closer =)

http://youtu.be/woR4dhOnBc4?t=9m3s - here also, again not as apparant

How about adding notes like this to all the links in the OP...

isnt that self-explanatory?

isnt that self-explanatory?

No, I have no experience with aimbots other than commonplace knowledge.

When I say aiming I mean conscious aiming. Lets not argue about definitions.

look at the absolute last part of his shafting there. when hes getting his 100% at the end, the crosshair is focused to a single pixel it creates a certain focus. its like spinning a remote or some, the center will still be in focus will the rest is just a blur =PPPP

Such "focusing" is a basic lg exercise and cooller had almost no velocity at that moment.


I don't have any stance in this case. I'm just asking out of curiosity.

http://youtu.be/HjSX8r94aRA?t=2m9s
vs
http://youtu.be/szDnC4KqPr4?t=2m

look and think of the similarities in both videos when enemy turns.

http://youtu.be/szDnC4KqPr4?t=23s - snap correction i was on about earlier.


many cheats have individual properties and they all dont work the same

pls...

yo im happy to be wrong but by the looks of it :///////

So how many of these milisec snap corrections can be observed?

One?

Is one enough to create a cheat accusation thread these days?

http://youtu.be/mLkEx9lBvdc?t=34s

there you have yet another one, as much weird looking as the first one =) i havent exactly investigated the games thoroughly, but i wouldnt be surprised if you could find more of those.

i also asked around before posting the thread. i dont wanna mention any names, but players well above average didnt have any doubt about it =)

If I were you, I would investigate each game thoroughly before making the thread, not only to avoid debates about isolated occurrences such as this one but for the sake of doing it right anyway, presenting all your evidence in an orderly fashion so that people take you seriously. If you really think he's cheating, you would want people to take you seriously, amirite?

And why these "players well above average" that you asked would prefer to remain anonymous if they don't have any doubt about it is beyond me.

personally, i dont care to investigate enough. whats going on in the faceit cups is way beyond me =) what ive presented so far is well enough for me to determine that hes cheating. if hes banned or not doesnt matter to me, if he cheating hes bound to get caught at some point, doesnt matter at all if its me or somebody else who gets it done. so really, i dont really care if you take me seriously or not :D im sry if thats hard to grasp :D

i just like it that way. if they wanna make a statement, im sure they will

rofl

added a few more linkz just for you!!

these are some top level logics, guy. "guilty until proven innocent"?
haha, i guess that's the only way you'll ever have a chance at "busting" me ;)

Just that comment itself makes you even more suspicious
but without evidence ;)

haha. i don't see why i should care about what you uninformed people think. i'm the only one ITT who knows the facts, and since i ain't cheating (who knows though? ;)), i have nothing to worry about.

Oh indeed I don't understand why are you wasting your time posting in this thread if you are clean and have nothing to worry about.
You probably should go play some duels ;)
Edit: also you should link your stream so people don't suspect you anymore

;D
http://twitch.tv/zeuntv

[+] for the effort ))

Lets just not act up in here... Just because youre streaming (some) of your practice games its entirely possible that you use cheats in competitions, even just toggling them sometimes to ensure you're not underperforming in crucial moments... Not accusing or anything, but if you want to come clean post a huge ass demo pack from your recent competition matches, or start to archive your games for future reference.

Typical retard logic. "if you want to come clean" ... lol. It's up to us to prove that he's cheating, not up to him to prove that he's innocent... (which is impossible)

Typical retard logic. - perhaps saying that to yourself, as you can see the previous sentence is "Not accusing or anything", however compiling a demo pack would take him about 5 minutes (or even just posting the questioned matches), if he have nothing to be affraid of that would just shut everyone tight...

"Not accusing or anything, but if you want to come clean"

lmao

How do you not accuse someone and tell them that they aren't clean in the same sentence? Retard much?

And how exactly does a demo pack prove that he's innocent? Demos cannot be used to prove that someone definitely did not cheat. They can only prove the use of cheats, and only when detected. As I said, it's impossible for him to prove to us that he's innocent by uploading demos, that's not how reality works. More importantly, it isn't actually up to him to prove anything to us at all anyway. There is no evidence for him cheating so far, only accusations based on YouTube clips that look suspicious. This is not evidence.

It's up to us to prove that he did in fact cheat, if that's what we suspect. Oh, and he did upload the demos against cooller to ESR barely an hour after the tournament was over, before anyone even accused him.

Does his semen makes a good mouthwash?

Ok my last reply: for first this thread have no relevance to my i just wanted to give him advice how he could convince everyone, if he really want to instead of acting arrogant and posting a meaningless stream link. Of course only if he want to come clean in the eyes of other, who judged by their posts seems quite convinced hes in fact cheating. Personally i dont give a shit for various reasons that im cba to type.

No need to suck up tho, he wont teach you how to not be a shitter. Guess he can speak for himself if really want to

/thread

so dumb

Fiver says that if you whois that I.P., it will be either Polish or German :D

!!! maybe that fiver will buy me some of that Zeun's Semen Mouthwash Deluxe i've been wanting.

Austro-Hungary. Is basically Germany. WTF men if you are dont agree you are fucking retard???

Hungary is not basically Germany. Economically would be good tho.

No is true look at map of the Roman Empire both the Allemanic Tribes and The Huns are right there

I AM hungarian.

Look at maps 1,5 thousand years later. :>

Well yes, if you look at very recent history (the past millenium or so), then yes, they are culturally, linguistically, geographically and politically different entities. If you want to be pedantic and such.

Oh, I'm such a patriotist. War comes from left, I leave to right. Couldn't care less. :>

you cant just accuse someone in public of cheats and then declare i dont give a fuck about evidence.

if you dont give a fuck about evidence keep your opinion to yourself. it's really disrespectful.

when i first started the thread it thought it was obvious enough with that one clip =) i did look more throughly once people said it wasnt enough with that one clip. its not that i witheld anything, i just didnt bother to look further. i didnt find it necssarily at the time.

So, let's see. You were originally convinced that one single clip where an isolated milisecond mouse-movement was obvious enough evidence to prove that zeun was using an aimbot, yet for some reason you felt it was necessary to also ask some "players well above average" before making this thread.

If you thought it was so obvious with just one clip, why did you even bother to ask them? If you thought it was so obvious with just one clip, even after these "players well above average didn't have any doubt about it", why did you still phrase the accusation as a question instead of a statement? If you thought it was so obvious with just one clip, and didn't care what people thought because you knew "hes bound to get caught at some point", why did you add more clips to the original post? Who are you trying to convince? Why did you even make the thread in the first place?

Of course, none of this actually makes any sense, so one or more of the following has happened:

- You yourself did not actually think that it was so obvious with just one clip. This would explain asking other players, adding more clips to the original post, and making the post in the first place.

- You did not actually ask anyone else before posting this, or the players you asked did actually have some doubts about it. This would explain phrasing the accusation as a question, and why none of them have come forward to make a statement (come on, he cheated against cooller and they don't have a doubt about it!)

- You're not sure that he's "bound to get caught sooner or later" because you didn't think it was obvious with just one clip either, so you decided that without any conclusive evidence, stiring some shit was the best way to get the ball rolling, hoping someone else would come up with the necessary conclusive evidence because you just can't be arsed. This would explain everything.

Maybe none of that happened and you really do believe everything you have said in this thread, in which case you are a somewhat confused person, at least with this topic.

And yes, maybe zeun did cheat, but it's impossible to tell for sure with your "evidence", it simply looks suspicious, and that's all.

Maybe he just wanted to raise public awareness?!??!?!?!? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

I'm getting dangerously close to agreeing with DARKHENKE so i'll just go away and whip myself until i see reason again.

It doesn't even matter to me if palatka's suspicions are correct and it turns out zeun was cheating... it's entirely possible. What makes me rage is the half-assed way he went about it all, the same half-assed way he goes about everything. I bet even his ass is half-assed.

Whether we like it or not, cheating accusations are srs bsns!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?! XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

im sry, i could answer your points but it would just make you hate me even more :D

does it make it a quarter ass?

whos this zeun guy anyway? fake of whom?

OMG why would you aimbot like that?!??!?!?!?!?!!??!? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

Seriously though, they way he locks and does tiny corrections so fucking fast, it indeed looks like a bot.

shaft aim could be a bot, could be normal, no way to tell. but this is by far no evidence of anything. some people do actually have redic twitchy shaft aim. dont cry cheats so quickly kkty.

tbh it looks like he copied k1llsen style

CSI:QL budget ran a bit low on this thread

Every whiner needs some attention.

i am in no shape to judge but i looked at the demos in slowmotion during lg fights. I have no idea how aimbot works and how much it resembles human mouse movement, but at no point did it look anything like a lock or unnaturally fast hand movement. in the cases where it was really fast you could see how the mouse goes way past the target and only then slowly comes back, which in my humble opinion seems like a natural acceleration and deacceleration of mouse movement.

are aimbots coded to replicate such kind of movement with 'errors' that would naturally occur from mouse movement?

you're absolutely right when you say you're in no shape to judge. the crosshair is in most cases gonna show of the model (on demos) with fast motions. so if cooller was moving the opposite way of where zeuns motion and he was off the model, chances are hes actually spot on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-xl7aCQDaQ
looking at that video, you see him hitting maybe 15%, while the actual number is about 4 times that. so you cant really set a demo to maximum slow-mo and think that you will learn something, unless you understand the delays etc =)

humanized aimbots work like magnets

humanized aimbots, how do they work?

the way you adjust them to work!

oh man, you dudes misunderstood me hard:]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvmvxAcT_Yc

i got you, i got you...

thought you was doing something like that but gave halfserious reply anyway

fair enough:]

they mimic normal person mistakes to some degree... you could actually set it to hit nice constant 30pc and noone would notice

so how would one detect if someone's using an aimbot then?

but im pretty sure the

humanized aimbots, how do they work?

was meant to be a reference to http://youtu.be/_-agl0pOQfs?t=1m49s

lol, that was hard one :D

shaft looks fishy indeed like that humanized aimbot, but hard to determine.

so much knowledge in this thread about humanized aimbots

admin editing my posts now. cool, faggot

you play with this kind of shit, enlighten us master

beat cooller = must be cheating

if I have beaten Cooller I would suspect myself as well.

wallhack and aimbot, but thanks for the 5 minute entertainment

:(

http://youtu.be/scDylGfz3E8

I hope this is a joke =)

fishy, but possibly (even probably) just legit predictive prefiring spam

I seriously think you have to be mentally challenged to consider this even slightly suspicious.

For first, try to do the same, my little champion

this isn't an improvement on the other videos.

Although I like your style.

ofc its not serious video, but and its not just joke. I download demo pack and watch all demos. In my opinion he is oblivious cheating. But, his Pro subscriber, so ID will not ban him. With this i just cut one liked moment and make this video.
Enjoy =)

id software do ban pro subscribers

when they cause this much drama, yeah they do ban them

I haven't seen a single bit of convincing evidence yet

You won't find any either :p

Nah, brah. It's just a joke.

no

It sure does look like that.

Aerowalk nap detected. Dude, why would he switch from rg to rl right before guard comes back around the corner? That just doesnt make sens if he actually had wh on in that situation. Sry, but whoever plussed this has no idea about duel or rather wh evidence ...

I plussed it because it was funny.

Me too. :D

What a load of bollocks

bind +A "aimbot"

only watched the aerowalk video, pretty obvious.

who is this guy? juvenile? zyrinx? q50?

zeun_

Someone who has grinded duel from 1600 to 2000 elo over 2k matches.
People can actually improve if they put their mind to it D;

nice of you to agree that he cheats.

let me put my sweet mary jane down...sec..

HOW TARDED ARE YOU?

...so now mary jane we have to move on to reach a HIGHer skill level - not only in quake, also in life. God bless edit function.

if he is not cheating, now he must be like

http://mason.gmu.edu/~kelli1/dance.gif

lol now there's a gif older than quake itself :D

I see nothing wrong, especialy here on my shity old 60Hz LCD.

I played this guy and he beat me on aerowalk too. Not that its an achivement to beat me on any map atm (I SUCK). But I definitly thought that he felt shady. HOWEVER. I have learned that you should never judge anyone based upon a aerowalk game.. Everyone with decent prediction and bad aim can feel like a prediction mastermind on it.

(did not watch anything from these clips/demos)

thread is about aimbot-like mouse behaviour

this is getting ridiculous...
k, so, in what ways did i "definitively feel shady"? and why do you go ahead and follow that up with saying you shouldn't judge someone based on an aerowalk game? this was in fact one game, quite some time ago, so it must have really made an impact on you... for you to chip in at this point makes no sense to me, lol... not cool, bro. how is that hunch you based on one game half a year ago-ish even relevant? you do remember that this faithful game was in fact even played on the PQL ruleset, right?

You really should pick your fights as I was on your side in this whole discussion.

This weird reply however tells me that you have something to hide afterall. :) So I guess I take the first one back.

fantastic. just what the fuck... anything i say now is just... shit.
i shouldn't have bothered.
abandon thread! let me know when i'm revealed, yo! ;)

ZOMGTHISCOMMENTPROVESYOUVEGOTSOMETHINGTOHIDE

Just out of curiosity, what would your reply be if say dem0n said you were shady online?

cu on lan

have plans to play on lan? :)

There would not be one. Nothing can be won in ever taking a discussion like this online.

If it's not even useful information, and nobody can gain anything by replying to it, then what's the point of saying that someone felt "shady" after a match on aerowalk in the first place?

I wanted to make a point that it's easy for people to judge after playing someone on aerowalk. If you have a bad day, any decent opponent can feel like a wallhacker on that map due to it being so easy to learn the timings on the shots.

I also wanted to point out the ridiculousness of judging someone from a single game of aerowalk. And I wanted to point out that I myself USED to do just that.

Thus stating that I myself was stupid to do it.


Clear enough now?

Yes, that's clear, but your first comment wasn't. That's why everyone misunderstood it.

I don't see how his reply is weird. Your comment reads like "I think he cheats, but could be wrong" coming from an established player that can be really damaging, you shouldn't put doubt on any player unless you're sure as fuck.

Learn to read. " I have learned that you should never judge anyone based upon a aerowalk game.."

I CLEARLY state that noone should judge anyone based on a fucking aerowalk game.

I can read just fine thanks. Maybe you should work on composing your comments a little better. saying you thought he was definitely shady is a fuckin judgement regardless of your little disclaimer. If you wanted to defend him you made a piss poor attempt.

U are funny.

He's right, your comment wasn't formulated very well. The intention to defend was there but it sure as fuck sounded accusational

oh i get it,

itt: fazz is cheating

trolling about whether players are cheating is a bit lame even on esr

hey man I resent that accusation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvT3sEKOZ3o&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZN6xyeVmxo&hd=1

I kinda feel disappointed after cooller's match

nice wallhack, LG @ 3:10 2nd video

good catch >D

Holy shit - either wh or that's some quick tom cruise mission impossible 3ish reactions ;D

the szene @3:00 is the best :D

SyncError should be able to determine if someone is cheating or not, right? With the anticheat and all. He should step in to these threads and confirm/discharge the accusations!

Call me naive but at least he could tell us if he is flagged or not. He should be able to give us something!

you have to e-mail demos to their support for them to even lift a finger :/

Haven't you yet? You are the one accusing here.

bunch of people agreed with me. please bother them instead

Throwing a bunch of accusations and not even willing to back it up.
I wish such thing happens to you one day.

its happened countless of times to me. everyone whos ever accused me of cheating havent as much as recorded a demo of me, or even posted youtube links. most people who accuse me doesnt even bother to defend their claims. please, stop bothering me now.

wow dude you're really trying too hard to be a "Jamerio II" give it up son.

Now will the real Jamerio please stand up!

syncerror isn't viable to judge if one cheats or nots

Maybe he has access to logs from that anticheat that can be of more information to him to determine this. Probably wont happen though, but would be good for the community if he could jump in and give us what he's got.

well up till now I've never been wrong... this doesn't seem like a cheat.
I only watched the 1st link vs cooller... seems pretty normal tbh.
He gets stressed out and a bit lucky towards the end though...
The only strange part are 2 rails in a row somewhere which are somewhat "dodgy" (where the 2nd rail kills cooller above the stairs at mega) but then there are also 10-15 similar rails that miss so odds seem to even out fairly decent.

so i can track someone through 10 walls as long as i look the other way when we face each other?

you can't without a cheat.... but he doesn't do that anywhere in that vid...

what im saying is that you cant use a possible false negative to prove that he hasnt used aimbot at other occations. even if its a true negative, the logic is still broken. for someone who credits himself as a smart person, you're being very dumb.

huh what kind of sick twisted logic is that?

Me: "looks legit in the vid I saw"

You: "so i can track someone through 10 walls as long as i look the other way when we face each other?"

Me: "He doesn't do that in the vid I watched"


Wtf are you talking about?

Also someone is only guilty untill proven guilty... not the other way around.
Next to that I think that if you can beat cooller without cheats you won't cheat elsewhere.

when you say he missed other similar shots doesnt mean the ones he hit were legit. thats why i say you cant track someone through 10 walls only to look away at the moment you're about to face each other. so when you say that 2 of his rails were suspicious while other didnt... you see where im going right? its getting tedious explaining the same thing over and over again.

in short: relying on average is dumb

ah you read something different than I had intended.
He didn't really track him through a wall and then look away.
What he did was go for a difficult shot with a low chance of hitting... (aka go for a few spam shots with rail)
And some of them hit while most of them missed.

It's a pretty decent way of playing in a few circumstances (aerowalk has quite a few of those btw)... and I couldn't really see any differences in the shots that he hit than the ones he missed.

So percentually it kinda makes sense... he went for those shots quite often during the game and hit 2 of them...

if you're making a suggestion for wh: http://youtu.be/RZN6xyeVmxo?t=3m10s + http://youtu.be/mLkEx9lBvdc?t=5m44s (the way he stops just looks weird, as if reacting to something he sees)

if you want to look at percentages you really have to consider everything thats happened.

especially the scene from the first link is stunning.

I think his aim looks strange. For lack of better words I'll say that there is a lot of unnecessary little cursor movements. The crosshairs generally follow the enemy's models rather nicely but somehow it abruptly jumps around within the limits and the vicinity of the model.

But maybe that's just a different style of aiming - are there any other players who aim like that?

I don't really see anything very strange there...
Anyway I spent more than enough words on this already.

yup, because circumstantial doesnt excist in your world. everything just feed towards the average, because the average is always correct. stay ignorant, friend!!

rofl

Could you show me videos of players with same or at least similar style of aim (fast micro-movements)?
Doesn't have to be Quake, any FPS game will do, LAN games preferred ;)

k1llsen.

I really don't think so.

Look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xeviAW3GL4#t=7m10s

Killsen does "horizontal sweeps" (due to strafe patterns?) but I can see his crosshairs moving kinda continuously instead of "jumping" abruptly. I hope you can understand what I'm trying to express with my broken English :)

Other examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM67k7Z3n2Y#t=4m12s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0R-9pR0aZM#t=1m45s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0R-9pR0aZM#t=2m05s

Contrast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjSX8r94aRA#t=1m56s

Please show me a video of killsen where he aims like that (almost vertical, opponent simply falling down but crosshair jumping all over the placce with high frequency)

http://www.youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A...orName=FAV

Every player aim at unique way. If killsen wasnt famous,I am sure a lot of people will tell he use aimbot with his flicks. :)

Please show me a video of killsen where he aims like that (almost vertical, opponent simply falling down but crosshair jumping all over the placce with high frequency)

Look what I've just stumbled upon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_d...qK8#t=553s

you're not very keen to detail are u boy

You're not very good reader are u girl?

almost vertical, opponent simply falling down but crosshair jumping all over the placce with high frequency

nah not gonna

i guess i had the same aim style when i played cs, although i played with a lower sens.
check it.

My argument is *ONLY* that your aim looks strange. I'm NOT trying to say it is cheat, I'm simply stating that it looks different than everybody else's aim. Looking different is not a crime :)

So even if your aim in CS looked similar / the same, it would make no difference to my argument. (To me doesn't even look remotely close, but that's hard to tell due to link being a highly stylized frag movie: low contrast, fastforward, cuts and so on)

Which is (at the risk of repeating myself):
Your aim definitely does not look normal, but that does not automatically mean it is a cheat. For all we know you might have a shaky hand or Parkison's or whatnot.

this isn't even remotely funny anymore.

I don't see why it ought to be funny???

Your aim definitely looks super strange and is causing raised eyebrows and accusations. I can see where the accusations are coming from, but I like the concept of 'in dubio pro reo'.

What I don't like is the retarded replies that can't see ANYTHING strange at all and basically say "everything is legit" from the get go.

I really can't sry. Especially wh accusations are totally dumb.

yes, totally dumb

http://youtu.be/RZN6xyeVmxo?t=3m10s

You can hear the weapon switch and footsteps

http://youtu.be/pSNz5AZIdnY

One footstep means that Guard is falling to MH? I this perfectly standard Fau?

And where should he be falling? There is mh up and he caught a glimpse of him in the top left corner (I did in the original timescale 1, 30 fps video) so he started tracking.

MH spawns 5 secs after that. If he's able to track him after seeing a single pixel... I want that awesome reflexes.

He didn't do a very good job, did he? Go watch yesterdays faceit final evil vs fraze on aero. There is exactly the same situation.

I'm not going to explain this anymore. Waste of time.

Show me please. I just saw a few mins of that game vs Guard and found that shit, cba to watch a full demo.

And please don't compare zeun with evil ffs.

I don't remember the time and I cba to find it too.
I don't think it's necessary. Anyone who played aero few times knows this angle and situation.

fau also think k1llsens and zeuns aims look alike. he cant even begin to understand what is supposed to resemble aimbot in the links. the guy is a complete smuch, just leave it

If you are cba to watch the full demo don't commentate and accuse, please...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSNz5AZIdnY&feature=youtu.be

thats from his demo. its safe to say he did

Nice video. I guess when he turned the wallhack on he accidentally turned the aimbot off ?!???!???!¿¿????!?????¿???!!??!¿?????

a lot of cheats have individual properties, some even offer something called "aimkey", which allows you to bind the aimbot to another key than mouse1. im referring to hacks i saw close to 10 years ago in cs, so its not really new technology. all that is beside the point. he asked him to look at the demo, which he clearly did.

Well, python is a known dueler and plussed that video. Watch it again at timescale 1. That reaction is not standard for sure.
I would like to see an opinion from an expert, and there is a huge lack of them here. I dont care if he cheats or not but the situation is a bit weird tbh.

If i say i saw a few mins and found that, i mean that there can be more situations like that one on the demo. I dont have anything against zeun and i already wasted 15 mins recording that shit so yes, cba to watch more demos.

I think you need to watch it again and realize that the map is aerowalk. And you don't prove a wallhack off an aerowalk game, k? Furthermore if you've never had a shady moment yourself you need to never accuse anyone of cheating ever again, because you've not played enough.

And i think you need to read my comment again, its just a weird situation due to his quick reaction. Its true that i said nice wh at first but i wasnt ensuring thats hes using cheats. Its just that situation that looks shady.

I havent play aerowalk since 2007, and i wasnt very good reading the game. You are the cpm22 whore here, so you might be right.
Yes i had many shady situations and been acused of wallhacking, just like any other decent player.

Pls dont reply to me more (not you) cos i dont know who zeun is and i posted that vid just because i wanted to see and share that situation ingame instead of a 30fps crap.

I did that by accident, can't unplus a comment :I

"I would like to see an opinion from an expert, and there is a huge lack of them here."

Thx :(

sometimes that happens, maybe he uses tankjr as enemy model, then it might be more than just a pixel

just from one special sequenz you can't say that its a cheat. wierd pointed out earlier that the frequency of "strange" stuff is not that high.

Wut?

You can clearly see guard mid-air while he's dropping. even more clear with a proper cfg.

I don't even know what's suspicious to you at that moment. Everything is perfectly standard. Have you guys ever played duel?

The funny thing is, I called cheat, but the funnier thing is the only time I was wrong of falsely accusing someone of being a cheat was kilsen just before he became known in quake 4.

I mean the guy was hitting 9/10 rails against me, almost instant reaction time, I had simply never seen anyone like that before (I mean you had to change your entire game because of it) and having played pros it tends to be the natural assumption when an unknown does stuff > than the pro standard, albeit with one weapon and unknown name accusing them of cheating is usually next on the list.

So either this guy has that trait to his game or its a cheat.

Like I said, I called cheat, but since others have started using kilsen as a comparison its made me uncertain again.

The reality is the guy played like a retard at times and did some god shots at other times. When someone who beats cooller uses the railgun as a rocket launcher he does himself no favours if he in gen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgmEQjIo48&hd=1

these are not lan games, but the players accused of cheating are multiple lan winners in ET...


some ppl just got high pc adhd aim

e: slowmo starts at 1.50

ET, sais it all, let me ask who (besides twister) is an et-player in the quake community... e.g. jetro :D

phate, h8m3 played it, joof the cheater cunt, fuzz is posting on esr, so i guess he plays ql aswell. i recall there are some other guys, which nicks i dont remember now. awkward.

ow, and twister is more famous as rtcw player.

also: he asked for a example of adhd aim, no matter the game.

I played ET aswell and I don't say those guys are cheating, but from my subjective perception, there is an oddly high frequency of ET players who cheated. Or am I completly wrong?

high? nah, its as in any game

I want that config / HUD!!!!!!

sure give me 100 bux

meh ... you probably downloaded it anyways...

meh ... you probably downloaded it anyways...

not even my video

in ql dodge practis only me and cooller(c)weird

well up till now I've never been wrong.

Discussions on ESR in a nutshell.

heh, do some of you guys remember the Bluebug? ahh, them good old days...

... http://clanbase.ggl.com/news.php?nid=9973

So what did The Angel have to say about it? What was the outcome?

Funny coincidence I just came across the cooller hub game vs this guy without seeing this thread and thought cheat, hit ESR to see if he flagged up elsewhere and here we are.

Sadly this community is now filled with so many degenerates (mostly thanks to quakelive) you can no longer really give benefit of the doubt.

I am gonna call cheat until proven otherwise.

P.S.

Last time I accused someone as a cheat they were.
http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2013697

*UPDATE*
http://esreality.com/post/2386565/re-zeun-is-...pid2386565

I'm not going to argue with you any further as I'm still awaiting a response somewhere else from you, but, I'd just like to add that of course you can give the benefit of the doubt; you're just made out to instantly accuse like so.

Fact remains though that he can not prove he did not cheat, and he can't even try. Contrarily it is incredibly easy to accuse and "supply proof" because you're on the viewing end of this.
The videos in OP is not proof in my eyes, but mere snippets of a match where so many factors have not been accounted for. For nigh impossible-to-discard-as-false proof, check csiql busts.

You are entitled to believing he's a cheat though if thats the vibe you get off of this, but bear in mind his intense duel grinding over a long period. He's had plenty of time to up his game, and factoring in that cooller had been away for some time, there is more than enough reason to believe that this was the opportune moment for him to battle it out against cooller and have a chance at beating him. I'm pretty sure he can't repeat the success until possibly much later on if he kepts practising, if cooller starts playing more actively again.

EDIT: Also; let it be said that even though I know the guy somewhat and do not suspect him of anything primarily because of that, after all I AM human, I'm still open to take ACTUAL proof and weigh that in, but so far it's all about wildly speculative accusations as far as I'm concerned.

dude

wot

nvm

I know, I'm good. 8(?

You did not read my update.

But I will say this, anyone who is unheard of that beats cooller and uses the railgun like a rocket launcher (going against all the basic rules of basic weapon use), comes out of a teleport, does an instant 90 degree turn while fighting the inertia from it and hits a rail within a split second as the opponent is running away is suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjSX8r94aRA&am...mp;t=1m04s

Sadly, the quake community is not like it was 10 years ago, its a free game now, less niche and with that comes the cancer.

So when an unknown comes along and gets a big result with odd shots in a community where even "respected" pros have been caught cheating, its gonna raise eyebrows.

Only way to get around it is to do it on LAN, OR<<< film your hands and screen while playing a big game.

Its easily done, and nothing more satisfying than proving someone wrong. So there is an incentive.

Its not a speculative accusation either.

aren't you the guy who got his steam account banned for cheating?

I got my steam account banned for giving my account to someone else.
You won't find a single demo or post on the internet from me ever expressing an interest in playing CS. In fact its always been the opposite. And I find it hard to believe I would not be known in whatever game I play for whatever reason.

To cheat at a game one needs an incentive. If i was a cheat, you would have seen me do it in quake by now.

Besides, I think too highly of myself to cheat at a videogame, to me its the ultimate sin.

If it were quakelive you would have a point, but counterstrike is really gaming hell for me. Team based and slow. Blurgh!

First of all that guy is kinda known under the active guys.
Secondly cooller is not the guy he used to be, because somehow every average 2,1k player can challenge him.
Last such a rail is not hard to hit or did u hide under a rock for the past 10 years :O

its not what he hits, its how he hits it. at least thats what im looking at

True re: cooller, but that rail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjSX8r94aRA&am...mp;t=1m04s

Almost zero reaction time and the complexites of exiting the tele and making it hit, along with the short timeframe, that's bordering on Toxic or Kilsen when they are in robot mode. And i think even they would be happy with it.

It might have been a speculative shot but that's one of the most technical shots in quake I ever seen.

Simply due to opponent, reaction time, accuracy, inertia from teleport.

I'm not confident enough to call cheat and no one can, I'm just saying I can see why people are suspect.

When that happens, you either deal with the critique and have fun with it, or prove your point on LAN or with a video.

It's as standard a shot as it gets on aerowalk, you're out of the loop

If it were a standard shot you should have no problem providing me with 3 other examples/demos of that shot seeing as its a standard shot, and you're in the loop it should be easy.

You do that and I will accept I am out of the loop, you don't, you are wrong. Fair?

CONDITIONS..

Opponent must be a pro (as was cooller)
The rail must hit and more importnatly be within the same timeframe of this one.

Yeah because it really does matter whether the guy running up the stairs is a pro or not. You really are retarded.

ofc it does :-E moving with timing is so key in quake. if you havent realised that = shuttup

the shot is done so quickly that movement is completely out of the equation, it's like a still picture. pls edukat befor poast, ok?))))))

So you're saying it makes no difference if you are playing a pro vs a regular joe.

Haha, so many clueless twats on this website, you would at least think if you are going to truin your lives playing quake all day you might at least have a clue and not allow me to decompile you in public.

A player is far more likely to be nervous playing a pro than a normal joe, nerves affect aim, so yes you silly little pratt.

Any more fools want to try their luck against the BAFTA boy?

"far more likely to be nervous"

likely is not synonym to certain...



does it mean now im owner of your bafta

Dude, we are talking about that specific scene and it doesnt matter whether a bot or a pro stands there :O.

And no Im never nervous when I play better players or even pros. Why the fuck should I?

"Dude, we are talking about that specific scene and it doesnt matter whether a bot or a pro stands there :O"

Cooller was not standing there he was running away, secondly bots are controlled by path finfing algorithms, I somehow expect the virtues of a discussion on A* or Dijkstra would be lost on someone like you, but i can assure you they are far from human and that's not even factoring in the movement between a pro and bot and the added nerves.
You telling me a duel Vs Cooller invokes the same fear as facing a bot?
Please. And we all know how nerves can affect aim.

Keep trying. Ask around in IRC, maybe you can combine brains and come up with one solid counterpoint, or you know, provide us with the examples I requested.

If its as standard as you say it should be easy yet still the most effective solution for you to counter my points remains unseen.

You're not dealing with your average gamer forum member here matey.

You telling me a duel Vs Cooller invokes the same fear as facing a bot?
Please. And we all know how nerves can affect aim.

In his case it apparently didnt. And not everyone pisses himself when he faces someone better. You might not know that feeling. I played quite some pros and I never really was nervous or missed shots because he was famouzzzzzz!!!!

Cooller was not standing there he was running away

Yeah, he dropped down and run in a straight line. Hardest shot ever, especially when cooller`s name is above keel :DD

still no reply's for me? afraid of getting humiliated again? thats silly...


you're like faulty version of human being... no brain, no dignity, no sense of reality... go polish your imaginated prize :-)

I think it's great that you've finally reached the point where you can joke about your BAFTA!

It does, pros warp :D

every time I read something you write it hurts my brain how fucking stupid you are.

That's because you're stupid net ratard with behavioural problems and I spoiled your online escape.

We have already seen here that you miss the point, you have used a professional quake player to justify a shot made by an unknown.

If you're going to fuck to your life away on the internet, at least learn to argue, or I'll dominate and top dog you every time little boy.

19k posts and i am fucking my life away on the internet? solid.

Post count is not related to anything, especially for someone like you who reg's new accounts.

I average 5 posts a day, that is less time than 1 decent game of quake.

You just lost again. I dread to think how many hours a day you waste inbetween playing games and watching all those torrents you download.

Wanna keep trying you lost with your old alias, you will lose with this one too, i am too smart for you.

Well I feel bad for just replying to you at all but here:

http://youtu.be/u65C-b_Jt5M?t=3m24s

Exactly the same shot. Done TWICE in a row by cooller himself on stermy.

Enjoy being out of the loop and delusional as always.

That shot is by a pro you fucking tool.

The whole issue here is a non pro acting like a hero. So way to prove my point!

You sound a bit angry mate, hope your life isn't a mess.

yes and pros are godlike entities and us mortals cant even do b2r jump. get real.

What seperates a pro from a mediocre player is skill.

Using another pro to justify the actions of an unknown shows your ickle tiny brain really does not get it.

Its nice to see you still believe though.

i believe and will believe unless evidence is provided. and a neckbeard telling that a shot is too hard for anyone but a pro pull off is hardly evidence

i believe and will believe unless evidence is provided.

My sentiments exactly, its just you have not provided any evidence, you tried, but you then realised the idiocy of using cooller as a basis of comparison only backed up my point that the shot was special :)

Thanks for that....

Jamerio: Hey guys, I just did the 100 meter sprint in 10 seconds
Random Nerd:Prove it?
Jamerio:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbjhpcZ9_g
No need guys, here is usain bolt doing it quicker so it must be true.
Random Nerd:FUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Jamerio:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae5XwkSguNI=1m14.

Jamerio: Hey guys, doing a flick rail to someone standing at LG while coming out of RG teleport on aerowalk is so hard it's bordering on Toxic or Kilsen when they are in robot mode.
Everyone: No it's not, lol.
Jamerio: RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE

Yeah but you guys do that about everything, its why most of you are relegated to your bedrooms hiding behind aliases via your computer.

When asked to provide nothing more than 3 separate examples of such a shot from an unknown landing that shot on a pro you came back with nothing.

Sweet FA
Zippo
Diddly Squat
Jack Shat

If it were as easy and as standard as you made out, then why are there no examples and the only one of it is ANOTHER PRO which only boosts my claim of the shot :)

There is nothing wrong with being out of the loop.

I agree, but when you are claiming to be in the loop, and someone who you claim is out of the loop is asking you for proof and you fail to provide it, I think it is you that looks out of the loop.

End of day jerkoffs, you are the ones claiming to have a clue, but you have come back with nothing between you, but a busload of flawed logic and excuses, of which I am still shooting down inc this post.

Totally.

well your thinking is still stuck in the medieval times zeun doesn't need to prove he didn't cheat in a game where all the demos are released to the public. if you make bold claims stating he hacked then please provide something more substantial than "i don't think he can pull of shot like that" the burden of proof is on the side of people who are making a claim.

or are you saying that a player after each game would be required to provide proof that he didn't cheat, which is impossible by definition.

If you actually read what i wrote instead of seeing my name and thinking you were capable of taking me down, you might fare better.

I did not say he was cheating 100%, I simply said the shot is suspect enough on top of his other choices to flag up. He hits a hero rail then misses several easy ones and choose to use the RG like a RL at times.

You then tried to justify the validity of the shot by showing cooller making the same type of shot, which is just stupid as he is probably the most famous quake dueller of recent times.

All you have done is validated my point that the shot was special, because the only example you came back with was Cooller.

If the shot is as standard and as easy as you claim, why are there no examples of it?

I'm still waiting....

Jamerio doesn't actually care if zeun is cheating or not... he's just happy to have finally found someone in this thread to play with, and is willing to talk nonsense just to make this rare occurrence of human interaction last him for as long as possible.

I love how you try in vain to undo the very fabric of my point and instead attribute it to something else when you realise you are unable to backup your point with proof.

Yes I enjoy punking gaming degenrates on ESR, that's no secret is it, but at the end of the day, I am the one asking for nothing more than basic proof towards something you say is standard occurance in a videogame.

Your continued failure to provide nothing more than the equiv of a quote is not helping your cause.

Sad.

That you cannot provide 3 examples of a shot you claim is so standard and easy, yes indeedy it is :>

If I'm so out of the loop then why am I the one holding all the cards, I have requested 3 examples of this so called standard shot, and it has still failed to materialise.

All I got from you guys was a series of flawed retorts.

I tell you, if this is clueless i sure feel pretty informed at the moment :)

lol

Just won on ESR, and went to services for fuel, put £5 in machine on way back from toilet and it spewed out £250 but only paid out half as I emptied it. Going back tomorrow with claim form.

Thought that would make you feel a bit better :)

didn't understand any of that lol

"If it were a standard shot you should have no problem providing me with 3 other examples/demos of that shot seeing as its a standard shot, and you're in the loop it should be easy."

Of course, it never arrives. Funny that.

Got better things to do with my time than proving imbeciles wrong.

Like I said, it never arrives :)

Find someone else to talk to.

This is a forum, if you cannot be bothered to adhere to the basic rules then you really should leave.

You've accused me of being wrong of something.

I very reasonably asked you to provide 3 examples of a shot you claim was standard and you refused.

I'm not sure whose cock you sucked to get admin status, but its obviously got nothing to do with your grasp of how a forum works.

You also sound kinda depressed.

lmao... I'm a 1400 elo shitter noob with barely 120 aero games played and even I've pulled off that shot more times than I can be arsed to remember, sometimes up to 2-3 times in a row by dancing through the teleport... as twister said, it's about as standard as it gets on aerowalk, and the opponent could be cooller or crash on I Can Win, it doesn't matter.

Cool, then you can do the same...

http://esreality.com/post/2387407/re-zeun-is-...pid2387407

Tell you what, just get 3 between you and we will see.

ok

Didn't think you would :)

you can show demo and make look what you playing =)

thanks for joining in, jameiro. i really appreciate hearing about your thoughtfull insight. you did a really good job in this thread.
now, i made an attempt at filming while playing - not the best game, just the first match i recorded; maybe proving that i can hit and not hit. and i guess i see no reason not to do some while playing through a cup vs good ppl.
sorry for ruining the thread with some actual conclusive material btw.

don't take jamerio too seriously....

i mean here u have problem hitting shit, while against cooller u hit 100% with mouseonly.

are you kidding?
I tracked that game down, its on thursday 02/21 and mr zeun hit 50% rg and 32%lg, how is THAT nothing.. dude

do you understand circumstantial?

not only that, the shots he hit 100% against cooller are 10x harder than the ones he missed against they guy he uploaded match against.

do you understand "inconsistency"?
I also had games where i hit 70% rail, and flickrails and everything and then there are games where I hit 20%. so?

yes, to understand the difference you have to look at each shot individually. otherwise you run the rist of being a moron who completely relies on average (HINT HINT HINT HINT HINT!!!!!!)

ah yes, so if you hit one crazy rail in one game and none in another you are automatically a cheater? well that makes sense

do you even understand in the slightest what im talking about? you keep making these suggestion that hold very little relevance to what im actually talking about.

no, not necessarily. if you track someone through 10 walls and locks to the enemy models absolute center for 10 seconds before you shot, you cheat. it simply doesnt happen.

the whole point is that you have to see the difference between whats possible and not.

make another stupid suggestion and i wont answer

I saw the drop down on mh of guard (was it?) on aero and the "track" through wall. I think thats a bit wierd but nonetheless possible.

I saw the rail after going through tele (90° turn and hit)
I think that is VERY normal. Even I do that and im not very good

I also saw someones comment on the tracking when cooller stood in one place. Thats OK from my perspective.

I saw the shaky aim, which looks strange, but still possible because he played against cooller and was probably nervouse as hell, I would have shaked aswell. Yet it looks a bit strange.

All I am saying is that to me single situations and comparisons between two games dont mean much, because they are easily explainable.

tracking cooller when hes standing at shaft on aerowalk is completely possible. the thing im reacting to is that his aim follows the center of the model when cooller turns. you cant react that fast, and aiming that steadily with mouse only is close to impossible. when watching the clip you have to take the delay into consideration (player model moves ahead on demo pov), which makes it seem like his aim isnt spot on but in reality he tracked every little movement cooller made.

when you're talking about "shaky aim", are u referring to the aerowalk shaft when coollers standing on upper rocket? again, take the delays into consideration (model moves ahead on demos), and what he reacted to was basically the head of coollers model. then adding 100%, just lifting him back towards the platform... i mean, really?

same snap correction happens on t7, which makes me believe hes got aimbot binded to another key. the later t7 clip is rather self-explanatory. 100% over that many cells is very hard.


there are more similar situations all over the games, but they are not as apparant as the ones ive linked above. now, ive explained these same things many times. its getting tedious

you cant see the top of your screen. dat where da aimbotz at man

still haven't apologized for knocking out cooller

I never accused you of cheating, I just said you were suspect in the current climate based on who you beat and some of the shots you did vs your lack of known rep.

Try not to cut yourself over it.

Link to streamers hudfile pls?

Just want to ad that you can't use this HUD in QL man, only in wolfcam, otherwise the awesome location of the cg_drawitempckup won't work ;)

Ah... ok thx - I was sure it wasn't possible, just couldn't figure out how they might have done it.

i aim like that lots of times like a crazy man.. and people who are good, land a couple of rails in a row, or shots in a row, thats how they win games..

all there is to it

this topic gets more and more ridiculous :D

it's a cheater thread on esr bro

one day, 5 yrs ago, on another game, i played a guy called "Zeus" who was aimbotting. Sorry Zeun, YOU ARE EXPOSED

didn't read lol

who gives a shit

wish i hadn't read it lol

:(

INB4 NOOB GETS OWNED SO BAD THEN ACCUSES OTHERS OF CHEATING WELL DONE SON

accidental bump

because he performed so well before deciding to throw in the towel? :(

we lack "OBVIOUSLY CHEATER" posts.
It seems so unbalanced towards "Your work and time investigating and trying to find out SUCKS AND YOUR EVIDENCE SUCKS A BIG BLACKIE"
Lets support the "OBV CHEATER" posts!!!!!

Conclusion: obviously cheater, because who the hell can track the mass centre (and who the hell would) of an enemy model so perfectly.

Did he died?

yes, i did died, but i lives forever in this thread. RIP me

Still play occasionally or just lurking?

The second person ever to be immortalised on ESR after Sujoy (sorry Jam-Jam).

ZEUN BRINGIN DA HS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

looks most obvious vs guard when he toggles, who oddly enough is beating him down lol maybe making him toggle more.

guard > bots

nah, guard is just M A S T E R R A C E

you're actually a fan of Guard? :O

you aren't????

He's capable of amazing feats in duel and has gone on excellent winning streaks but from what I've read on ESR (although it could be further perpetuated by a language barrier as English isn't his first language) and in the few interactions I've had with him, it appears he's at boorish and fairly opinionated and makes me want to reply with "WTF MEN YOU RETARD YOU NO UNDERSTAND??!?!?"

and that's why I love him so

WTF MEN YOU RETARD YOU NO UNDERSTAND??!?!?

so he quit after being able to beat pros online with amazing aim?

Most probably he stoped playing because playing online with cheats is boting. You don't stop playing such an awesome hobby that is QL.

i meant boring* not boting.

ROFL

judging from the youtube videos he is definitily cheating. if anyone can post the demos and make proper clips with proper fps and slomos (or use vdub) we can all be 100% sure, im 99% convinced already though, there were few moments that are just complete bullshit, nobody aims like that.

my 0.02 cents *rolleyes*

Thanks to you ppl are looking at me like im a complete retard since I just burst out loling in the bus. :-D well worth it.

awww isnt this sweet?

Cooller got owned by a low tier player and ofc he's botting.


Cooller fanbois detected.

He didnt cheat btw

Thanks for solving the mystery 5 years later mate, we were all still waiting in suspense.

Judging by how much you rejoice in QC you are a shitty player who didnt really play QL to a suffiecent level, so I think this thread isnt for you m78

Waoh you got even more upset than I thought you would, sorry meht.

I don't play QC and barely played it. I've had about 130 hours on it and I've been playing since the closed beta.

However I've also played what I consider more than enough QL, maybe not to the extent you have, but I've got other things going on in life.

I "rejoice" more from getting nerds like you agitated.