It's possible as an individual, though implausible as a community. You aren't going to find something more active than Quake Live in the realm of fast-paced shooters. Reborn or nothing for me.

>reborn
Are we still with this?

Could anyone explain to me what is reborn? Couldn't find a word on the internet.

It's going to be a fast-paced FPS like Quake. E-Sports. Salvation. Lots of high hopes.

like severity

With like modernized graphics? When is it gonna be released? Is there any videos/screens, I only found ranger models?

Expect stylized graphics. Game completion is estimated at two years.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2358539/reborn-...reenshots/

where is cpma and edawn?

but atm it is either you play quakelive or you play quakelive, not a hard choice i think

I considered them both, but they both have the same problem as nquake.

"Games like nquake do make the process simple, however I think it deterrers noobies" with having to mess around with downloading and installing mods.

It's not wrapped up into one nice little package.

Not the current nquake

not nquake though.

EzQuake3:

http://www.uscpmpickup.com/downloads/

Honestly as simple as it will ever get for cpma

gotta wait for reborn for now

I realize that Quake 2 isn't terribly popular around here, but here's a simple installer for playing it online:

http://q2s.tastyspleen.net

Quake World Installer
Quake 2 Installer
Quake 3 Installer

I thought quake2world was semi-promising.. not as a replacement for something as large as QL, but it at least seemed kinda fun. I think the guy stopped updating it though?

Quake2World Github

Last update 9 hours ago.

quake live is large? that's a stretch dont' you think

maybe you should look outside the DM format a bit. within DM, you wont find anything that matches QL in terms of community size and activity, but there are numerous competitive FPS games out there. im playing Natural selection 2 atm, its fresh and its a challenge.

Imo while NS2 is a fun game in its own right for awhile, it's not fun in the same ways that got me into NS1 originally. Particularly the lack of bunnyhopping (especially for skulks) and balance problems.

i find the skulk moving around on the walls is alot more fun than kangarooing around actually. its fun to play a game where movement is so important that isnt bunnyhopping based. there are some balance problems in competitive play, the root cause of which might be carapace skulks imo.

apparently UWE are going to be implementing a 'balance mod' to replace vanilla NS2 in the near future that changes just about everything - including the movement with the return of bunnyhopping. you might enjoy it more then, im not too keen though :(

try dota and lol it's free and better than quack

No.

Not better but different and fun. Can we agree on that?

Yes

No.

Very well then, stay with what you like and I will stay with what I like, now we both are happy :).

no, no NO~!

y u mad? :)

any got quake2world running properly?

No.

None of the servers work and their is no single player mode.

Yeah that's weird.

After GreenMeanie's comment I updated it, and now it flat out won't run :-/

I got it working now. :D

I installed the game but forgot to set-up the updater.

The game is actually quite interesting, it uses a mixture of Q3, CPMA and its own movement.

I tried without updating too, the console is tiny mess in the lower left corner. Tried 'map torn' but doesnt do anything and console i can't read as its too small.

it takes the best aspects of all 3 quake games and mashes them together. I thought it would be more popular years ago when we were playing it. Ease of use and lack of general GUI are holding it back imo. I love the movement and the weapons, and the maps are pretty damn good as well. JDolan and CREW deserves alot of credit for Q2W.

TraK deserves alot of credit aswell.
He did most of the gfx.

It only needs a little more work and it is a serious contender.

I think it needs quite a lot of work if it's still in the state it was some months ago.

fixed. ty.

one doesn't not simply leave the qvaks. It simply is the best and the most popular game of the genre, no contest.

It's the most popular and complete DM game ATM.

However the current state could be executed a lot better.

it's not about the state of the game(s), it's about people. the idea that a lot of players would come and play with us when the game would include this and that... is wrong, sadly enough :d

Maybe Rise of the triad remake?
http://riseofthetriad.net/web/app.php

but it will need mods badly.

Looks pretty interesting. Probably would need mods though ya

Ultrono Arena

Added

UT?

hate to say it, but the only thing interesting is waiting for reborn at the mo. everything else is just outdated, deader than ql, or wont have a future :F

It's going to be hard to live up to the hype!

Halo, Call of Duty, Nexuiz

U forgot shootmania.

Looking forward to eSports Core.

Brink

Hi zeriton.

Sorry, brink is kinda disastrous. What have you been up to?

Brink is dead.

dirty bomb maybe. But is is nothing like Quake.

Brink is the future of esports. Wake up peoplez

loled ;d

Jamerio made it clear he destroyed you, please crawl into your hole again.

He did?

tbh what could really be done differently to make a deathmatch game more interesting? something ive been thinking about recently. i mean most of the dm games out there seem to be clones at a fundamental level with only surface differences (granted these differences make a huge difference for people really into it but surface differences none the less).

i wish there was a good mmo version of fps games with large maps and team objectives. (anyone who has read the book daemon should know what im talking about). but i dont see this being implemented in a good way any time soon cos ud need crazy good ai (since u cant expect the game to be populated in a constant fashion). still something to think about.

ps: i checked out planetside 2 because it seemed an interesting idea but after instalilng the game and playing for 10 mins i found out it was shit. :)

Death match is already interesting. The problem is presentation. It needs to be more accessible to accommodate a larger number of players. When I say accessible, I mean polished tutorials, accurate skill matching, incentive to improve, etc.

Technically CoD is a DM game. So no, "our" kind of DM games are not interesting.

"Our" kind of DM games are interesting. The learning curve defines the deterrent.

I agree.

EDIT: That must sound like I'm some schizophrenia guy. To clarify, when I said that "our" DM type is not interesting I meant that the masses don't think so.

tbh what could really be done differently to make a deathmatch game more interesting? something ive been thinking about recently.

Modifiable maps that add a strategic value!!

Is Reborn still coming? With all the Dota stuff 2gd does nowadays...

I'm guessing he does all of that to get his name out. To only target QL players would be quite stupid.

Or he might just like Dota (2) because you know, it's a freakin awesome Moba and fun to play/watch! ;)

Yeah, you're right. Don't think he would cast anything he doesn't enjoy. But was the answer for why he is not having is full attention on Reborn.

How could he put full attention on Reborn with 2GD Studio if the game isn't even in alpha?

Don't ask me, ask the guy above.

I think Unreal Tournaments should match the criterias... Particulrarly UT2004 and UT1999, they should still be pretty active; just stay away from UT3.

Too old I think, we need something new, shiney and flashy to gather the masses, then there should be enough customizability to turn the game into a grey/brown piece of shit to please the competitive players.

I actually thought about this stuff for a long time and the stuff I personally come up with when asked what a good new DM FPS, that could replace Quake Live and at the same time could win lots of new players needs is the following:

1. Graphics

It needs to have a modern look to it. I know most of the QL community and especially you guys shit on graphics big time, but face it, it's important to all those Call of Duty and Battlefield kids out there. If they get insane graphics with sick explosions and shiny animations they will play it. But for the "old" and competitive players just read point two.

2. Customizability

The game must be highly customizable so a competitive player can change almost anything except for the core gameplay to fit his needs. I'm talking textures, models (weapon and player and maybe even items) and all effects (explosions and such). This also would give room for a free2play model like Dota 2 has it. There you get new models for your heroes armor/weapons and stuff like carriers and wards for real money. All those items of course are only cosmetic and and don't change the actual gameplay.

3. Fresh new gameplay

Let's face it, Quake's approach is old, it's still fun but it gives veterans too much freedom. New players get stomped on constantly. If there is a "new" movementsystem and new weapons + maps the vets will have to relearn the game. Of course they will still have an advantage because of raw reactions/aim and better timing, but they will have to learn new maps, rework their weapon-choice process and adjust their positioning according to that. I don't want to see a game without items or with realistic weapons, but stuff has to change here.

4. Awards & Stats

Lots_of_them. That's what hooks players nowadays, progression. If we offer them that it will make them play the game for long enough to become competitive in it.

5. Proper inbuild ladders and cups

No ladders no competition. No one will join IRC for pickups these days or register at clanbase.

6. Free2play or a moderate price-tag

No one will buy some unkown DM FPS for 60 bucks if they can get the new "Call of Duty: Modern Dumbfuck 1337" for the same price.

7. Proper advertisement

That's where id failed a bit with QL.

To sum up, I think if 2GD gets his way we will get all of that with Reborn so just let's wait and see ;).

1. Stylistic is a better choice. (Warsow)
-- Doesn't get old.
-- Nicer to look at.
-- Gives it style. Not just another CoD.
2. Simple is better. Only need 1 model (Halo 1, just change the color for teamplay)
3. Agree
4. Intergated ELO system. (QLRanks)
5. Agree
6. -
7. Agree

Warsow is probably one of the better looking DM FPS out there. Problem with one Model is that it doesn't give you customizability and that's huge in modern games (weather for gathering an audience, see the whole customization in CoD/BF, or getting money see skins in Dota or LoL).

I agree with you about the skins and how it working for those games.
However, that doesn't mean that it is the best way to go.
When I am playing I want the enemy to always look same so I can just focus on the game.

Maybe the models coud look different in spec mode, so we could have a custom model for players and teams. (Fnatic could be Black and Orange).
It gives each player/team distinguishing features that help build a persona.

But that's exactly what my second point is for. If you want your game to look like a god damn brown-shitmess with green big blobs running around you should have the right and the resources to do exactly that :).

1 model is a bad idea.

The one superficial thing I like about Q3 is the character options, and how each character has totally different animations/sounds/etc. I normally play with gfx as flat as possible, but when it's time to put a promo vid together, trust me, you don't want everything looking flat and monotonous.

Quake 4 :))

crouch-sliding <3

have you tried q4 militia?

ql is the only alternative

Rauvz you could just use your normal acc you know?

rauvz wouldn't say that, and anonymous is that one other saudi quake lord

Not me, there are some alts to ql.

rauvz<3

yo

Alien Arena http://red.planetarena.org

Enemy Territory, www.crossfire.nu, f2p, strafing, teamgame, #et @qnet

As much as I enjoy W:ET, I hate that there are no brightskins :<

You should add Rise of the Triad remake to the list.

there is also something like Epigenesis:
http://www.pcgamer.com/tag/epigenesis/

the thread is about "Alternatives to QuakeLive."...
So why some people are talking about: Brink, CoD, ET (still great game) or Halo. wtf. I think tribes is more quakish....

Added.

This post also reminded me about a new Painkiller game which I have also added.

I wanted to buy new Painkiller but I heard that nobody is playing it online. :/ is that true?

btw. i edited my post, but I don't know what exactly Epigenesis is. :P

I see 0 players online :D haha. The only game I found past 2 weeks was a coop game I think.

lol, nice. thanks for an info.

Epigenesis is like a 5-on-5 laser handball with non-lethal rockets and railguns that pushes people. You play ball on top of towers.

It's in closed alpha right now.

But if anyone wants to give a go, let me know. :)

imba research of games that nobody will play ;d

http://www.redeclipse.net/ Red Eclipse
http://www.retroblazer.com/ Retro Blazer
http://www.nexuiz.com/ Nexuiz (shit game ;d )
http://www.fortress-forever.com/ Forever Fortress
http://hypixel.net/threads/quakecraft.255/ Quakecraft

Tribes Ascend and Team Fortress 2 (tht TF mod for Quake was more quakish, sherlock ;p) in some way.

Stay with QL or play Q3/cpma or wait for miracle (Reborn)

nexuiz is a lot of fun. stats is good for the ego but i'd rather play fun games than know what % rockets i am hitting. a lot of aholes play quake live now. i knew a few friends who i had fun wiht, but they all quit for other games like dota and team fortress.. they could not compete with the veterans in this game. i hope reborn is more newbie friendly. warsow is best alternative i think

Retro Blazer is cool

I might get shat on for this, but what originally got me into fast paced shooters is S4 League. It's not even technichally an FPS and the free to play businessmode they're trying to use sucks hard, but i still feel like it belongs on that list.
It's not quakefast, but it's fast, fun and free.

Also, there's Doom multiplayer: Skulltag/Zandronum or whatever they call it now.

Stats, stats, stats... Forces you to play like a moron loosing all the fun

exactly,
you are just starting out with the game or you just want to play casually ... and the game lead you directly from the start into some rated ladder, every game is rated ...
there are too many morons in the video games industry ....
when you start out in a club ... do you play tournaments?
Nope you just play for fun, casually unrated, only if you really want to know who is the boss for real, you start entering tournaments ...
that's the it should be with video games ... make players only play rated games if they want to ... or just keep stats private!

In a club everyone knows your skill anyway. In a x million players community not.

still doesn't mean I want to play rated games ...

It's all in your head. Look at the Cyrax's post you responded to. "Forces you to play like a moron". Really? My advice is: start playing actual tournaments and you will stop caring about pub stats so much.

Tribes:Ascend

shitmania :D:D:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_engine

"Quake - family tree"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Quake_-_family_tree.svg

;p

No cpma or warsow in that tree, FAIL!

q4

how about REAL LIFE?

what?

IME, from trying other FPS games due to ping issues in QL the best alternatives were: QW, then CPMA and then warsow (but the community might be very small now, I was playing during the 0.5 days).

Bisounours Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSFrlXogAoM
it's amazingly still getting maps made and the mod code is open source
http://www.moddb.com/mods/bisounours-party

I'm currently compiling some games and content for articles for a website that analyzes dead competitive fps games, and although that is pretty much every game in the genre, there is a lot to be learned from these odd games that have been forever underground or unpopulated. This thread has helped me find a few to check out. I'll post it here once I get some articles written.

I remember thinking about hosting a tournament that features only silly, forgotten fps games, like the fighting games scene does. Bisou was on that list, along with some classics.

If anyone wants to host that I could come with some ideas or financing.

Started playing QW quite some time ago (Q3 not much going on anymore and QL not being my taste) and never really looked back.
Better game:
skill differences are more apparent, less forgiving
(I find it harder to play then q3 which I like)
better infrastructure:
qtv, webpages to see who's playing on qtv at any given moment, mvd server-side demos, highly customizable clients
but only one gameplay - no balancing bullshit
better community:
no rage quitters in 1v1 - beside one or two ql-players, no quitters in 2v2 or 4v4, far less whining compared to ql

no greedy us-company behind it.

Best would be if ID brought out a new title that sold on a massive scale like Doom, Doom 2, Quake, Quake 2 and Quake 3. This would bring huge popularity and new blood to the community aswell as bringing more tourneys 'and' big money tourneys like back in the day. It's annoying that Thresh, Immortal, Blue, Lakerman, Fatality etc etc all won or had a shot at winning large prizes compared to the players of today where the level of play is superior. Of course, this 'new game' would have to be pretty special and have amazing physics like the previously mentioned titles.

hmm

http://www.wrackgame.com/FAQ/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AezVRZ5e8Qc

Wrack Game

Sequel will have multiplayer.

No. the guy who made this made that that skulltag doom port that was full of furries and 13 yr olds.

for me UT99 was great.

UT3 was quite good. Why nobody is playing it?

When I play 10 minutes UT i need 2 days to come back to quake. I don't know why, it seems like my strafing is destroyed and i have to relearn it again. Mysterious stuff

UT3 still looks sexy...

UT3 is a good and fun game but I think the reason it failed was the timing and state of its release. You needed a high end PC to play it, it wasnt very polished, pretty much no options in the menu to tweak the graphics and you couldnt even record demos. They released a patch about 6-8months later which fixed all the problems, even added LOADS of options which was a bit unexpected but it was too late, the dmg was already done. :/

ah, too bad. I checked ut3 very late after release. Noticed the low population.

But looks nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDyXwCk9bO4

btw. http://www.gametracker.com/search/ut3/?sort=c...order=DESC

Quake2world looks really cool!

Straight up never heard of Quake2World until now, gonna give it a try.

I still maintain that all a modern FPS game needs to be successful is a weapon balance system that allows people of all skill levels to have fun, and that requires either all overpowered weapons (ala CoD), or top-heavy weapon design (similar to QW/CPM) where people get to feel powerful without necessarily needing extremely good aim. Quake3/QL completely failed in this department, nerfing the RL into a comparatively (to QW/Q2) useless weapon and not offering anything to make up for it, and basically shifting the balance of tactical gameplay and aim from let's say 50/50 to 70/30 in favor of aim. QL boring dead game that people think is good. Always gotta shake my head when people say it's the best dm game ever made.

War Thunder

It's a f2p ww2 flight sim, that has some of the same qualities as quake imho.

It's easy to get into but hard to master. The gameplay is great, the netcode is amazing, the graphics are amazing. It requires good hand eye coordination and quick decision making. There is a ton of strategies to learn and teamwork to perfect.

It's the most fun I have had with a game in a long long time, and I'm not a flightsim type of person.

And to the people who scream f2p = pay to win. Yes the game does allow you to buy yourself to the top, however there is nothing essential in the game that cannot be obtained for free.

I suggest people give it a try.

War Thunder is nice but it's not alternative for quake -.-

I will rather suggest play ET/RTCW, but still it's not hing like quake...

war thunder is actually a good game which suffers game balance... but its fun if you play those ufo planes.
since this game was made by russians its russian biased.

war thunder is the quake of flightsimulators

no

someone make a webgl port of quake4 and we're saved!

Not q4, but.... Check what inolen is working on in this thread (probably a long way away from being ready for you guys) http://www.quake3world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=47684

just play QW idiots

yes

Good game. How many ppl playing it now?

I think euro has a good scene. for NA it's just the same 5 players who dominate everyone so it's pretty dead for NA.

I guess ID is going to try to make doom 4 competitive. at the least there will be a few cash tournaments for it. I'll probably try to compete in it.

yea... on next gen consoles, sure...
probably 6h single is max...

imo, QL or QW and maybe Warsow or just move to different game.

Yeah pretty much. QL/QW or one or two others is what youre gonna be left. It's why I moved to fighting games.

Fighting games are awesome even if I'm noob and maybe it's not my favourite genre. But something they got the same as Quake: fighting games don't forgive retarded player.

RTS games was good too... actually SC2 lost to dota/lol :(

Competitive TF2 is pretty fun.

CPMA is probably your best bet though. There's a duel cup tomorrow, come play!

Soldier, demoman, scout is quite cool, tf2 also need some learning too. But it's very slow ;p

it's much more easier to find some quite good game team based like CS etc...

Fighting Games are cool and all, especially SSF4, and watching EVO is fun, but you can't compare it to Quake, that's just stupid, Quake is a whole other experience, a much more direct one and enjoyable for me. Getting better in Street Fighter is a pretty tedious experience, repeating combos over and over, don't get me wrong, it's fun to watch top players and play with friends, but it doesn't hold a candle against the Quake gameplay experience

porn

http://projectfreefall.com/
a quake/tribes mix in development. might be intresting.
theres no artwork yet, just gameplay.

More like unreal. Almost the same as UT3? but with jetpacks?

There is a map on gameplay same like dm_deck 16.

maybe cus of unreal engine? :) Theres also skiing involved.
I thought the dev had some good ideas. projectile inheritence for instance.

Unfortunately it got that shitty Q4/Unreal feeling.

Why is waiting for Reborn first? It's nothing buy hyped vaporware.

I will install Xonotic today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io920ID423A
Q1 /darkplaces engine.
version 0.7. now.

looks quite cool.

edit. crap

http://www.shotarena.com/

Shot Arena :p

The new Japanese sensation : Shota Arena

Oh god, what a joke.

SIGN.
ME.
UP!

Unfortunately this is the price Quake developers have to pay if they want to attract mainstream gamers and console kiddo's. Dumbed down movement and lower gravity.

This could be a succes if this game would also implement a promode with normal physics and gravity.

to be honest, it looks like its been in development for at least a fortnight so I think a lot of stuff such as gravity is going to change.

cant say for sure though, like most things im sure it's gonna flop.

Well it's a niche genre so we can't expect it to have mainstream success. It can still do well though. We'll know when it's out.

We don't even know if it will be finished :P

You're harsh. That movement looks cool. Should it really be difficult to move correctly? Is it that important? What's important to me is to have a good speed and a good freedom. I wouldn't allow much air control though so beautiful air projectile shots can be made more reliably.

So... Reflex?
https://www.facebook.com/playreflex
https://twitter.com/ReflexDev

http://store.steampowered.com/app/244590/?snr=1_620_4__45
Epigenesis - f2p for 2 days

Epigenesis is an online multiplayer sports/FPS game in which two sides are locked in a never-ending fight for world domination by playing ball.

Nidhogg
easy to learn hard to master

worth buying?
Is there many people online?

http://www.strikevector.net/

Strike Vector is an intense, multiplayer third / first person air combat game.
With a distinct old school feel, reminiscent to games such as Crimson Skies, Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament, Strike Vector will let you test your reflexes and skills against your friends.


anyone played?

You also forgot about Project Nex. :D

reddit.com/r/projectnex

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwxutxn5pu0

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1786613985/gunscape

QUAKE 3 ARENA + CPMA

Wait for Reborn - egg arena, coming soon in 2056.

Warsow - 1 ca server, 2 insta server is active. active bomb pickup. otherwise dead. a duel cup in every 2 months. if they fail the steam release,, there is no hope for the game.

Reflex - dead, mostly duel. pickup channel has potential but noone cared to make a working bot on irc.

Xonotic - some duels and instagib with the worst players in the universe. hitboxes are 3x bigger than the character. whoever made the weaponmodels should be tortured.

Quake2world - q3 weapons on q2 maps. movement sucks ass, noone ever played it.

OpenArena - terrible

Painkiller: Hell & Damnation - do you remeber the old painkillers netcode? well turns out this has an even worse netcode. has a coop, and its kind of fun to play the maps with a friend, but thats all.

Rise Of The Triad - nothing serious, kind of fun.

Epigenesis - had potential, but buggy little game. noone plays it anymore.

Quake World Installer - you can find ffa and duels easily, but 90% old pro fags. since every weapon does infinite dmg per ms, you will get spawnkilled...a lot.

Quake 2 Installer - not sure about this. maybe 1 ctf server and a tdm, some duel. pretty dead if you ask me. serverbrowser is only available in the q2pro client, and i think its the only client that runs on win8.

i hope i saved some time for you guys.

I played OpenArena for a while, but there are cheaters too ...
http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena
http://dpmaster.deathmask.net/?game=openarena...0.87:27993

Rocket & Rail just for fun :)