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Well then, he would just spawn on top of powerups.

My only problem is that people will choose a position that benefits them the most. On the other hand it would give birth to an interesting meta game. Is evil going to choose LG spawn? Or is he not? Could be fun, but doesn't seem like traditional Quake.

I like this idea too, its additional braingame, will nmy be agressive right after spawn or +back? When to die ?
But i think its better to add something and make another 1v1 game mode.

what if each player has a base with minerals to mine and units he cant control? then these units can build buildings to produce new units. maybe other patches of minerals could be placed all over the map.
that way quake would be more tactical.

Would waste too much time and would more often favour dying / killing yourself to achieve better position.

I've thought about this before, and it would be interesting to trial. When a player gets fragged of course they will actively pursue the best spawn point—that's the whole idea: to get rid of those lousy spawns where your only option is to get fragged again.

If the opponent left Mega or RA up then proceeded to frag you you'd find yourself in a good position to steal either item if there was a spawn point close by (you could spawn at the exact point of RA on Aerowalk for instance). It forces players to be more conscientious about fragging—is it the right time? Will he be able to steal an item off-spawn? Am I extremely low after that engagement? In which case he'll probably spawn at a point close by in an attempt to frag me. Perhaps it's better to strip his stack than frag?

Spawn-frags are the result of an ineffective system, and whilst being spawn-fragged you're just waiting for a decent spawn to work with—sometimes they come too late, or not at all. It can be frustrating, more so to newer players who feel helpless out of control.

I've only thought about this idea in regards to Duel, and I think it'd be fun whilst getting rid of the single most annoying aspect of the game. However, I do not think the opponent should dictate the others initial spawn. Rather you should be able to select a spawn-point from a specialized group of initial spawns, and your opponent does likewise, though he may not spawn at your chosen location. Perhaps a coin-toss could decide who picks the first spawn (:- )

What if each player spawned with 3000/3000 health/armour, and the game ended when one player dies. The rest of the game remains the same, so you can still pick up armour to replenish life etc. And that way you have no spawn problems.

I'd actually like to try this, will try and spawn a server with this tonight. maybe lower values though.

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Bad, because you lose the dynamic of controlling weapons after a frag.

You still have to get ammo, ammo is not infinite.

nice idea.
but i'm sure people would complain for their initial spawns then :)

camp fest

lol matches will last hours, if both +back none will die for a very long time.

Or the opposite, spawn with 200/200 and have no ceiling or countdown on health or armor with maxfrags 1.

This was discussed before.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2344830/fair-spawn-system-idea/
http://www.esreality.com/post/2253375/about-spawns-and-stuff/

No.

Yes, if done right, yes please. People forget that you can change spawn positions so it can't be abused + spawning on powerups happens already, just it's based on luck.

yepp...

I had an idea like in ET for e.g. CTF.

You could define base spawns - middle spawns - forward spawns and you could, after dying, just hit 1, 2 or 3 for each possiblity. With this you minimize the amount of luck for certain things to happen.

In duel you could define areas with 1-3 spawns.
In ET it worked with a small script but was no big hustle. Could work for QL aswell....
COULD!

but its like with any changes in QL... they probably wont happen since the community is stubborn and the developpers dont have much capacity to code something

et had max 5 spawns, and tbh, most of them were in one place, just a bit more forward or left


dm13 has like 20 spawn points

I agree that this would not work on the current spawn points... at least not on any map. But maybe on T7.. 3 rooms --> 3 selections....
I don't know if the game would get better in duel, but I would want to try it out....

isnnt this kinda what hooney mode was in cpm?

make spawn rape a skill again

spawn with 100 health/0 armor

rail does 100 damage

spawns based on where u died not where opponent is




YUMMMMMM

yes please

then the people who play duel 24/7 and have the spawns memorized won't have an overpowered advantage

Yeah, people who play a lot shouldn't have such an unfair advantage. While we're at it, let's make powerups spawn randomly anywhere within 1 minute and 120 seconds. Preferably only when the trailing player is near as well.

That would be a good idea. It would focus on mechanics.

go play another game then

u jus mad cus no aim

Avg. Win Opponent Elo 1363
Avg. Loss Opponent Elo 1418

rofl

pls kid. besides ur aim sux, saw ur vids. you pride yourself with your lg-aim, yet ur hitting like a noob.

no wonder you play ca, at least there ur shitty lg can seem strong xD

u sound like one of dem bitches who stacks bread 2 bread

crazy what kind of delusion one can go through in order to justify his hurt ego

just a reminder: the average person you lose to is barely even 1400 elo. i mean, wtf :D

getting fragged in the right place and in the right time in order to spawn (or having the chance to spawn) in a good position is a skill in ql
i still prefer q3 spawn system, but i'm not sure it works good with tl 10

i like the idea but i dont want it for traditional quake, lets propose it to id as fun mod or put it in the think box for reborn

Agreed, at this stage it's probably too late to introduce radical changes to Quake, Reborn should easily pick this up as it's still in development phase.

thing is this would not only make the game fairer, but also noone would actually be able to blame bad spawns for anything - instead their would be some skill related to picking a spawnpoint within seconds after death
do i go for the far away spawn? a weapon spawn to challenge right away? a spawn nearby because hes ultra low?
from the spectators view this would also be more tense because of the additional tactical layer that it adds to the game.

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Oh my fucking coolleR!
Just learn the game instead!

Don't try to fix something that ain't broken!

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people here just don't want this because they have played duel over and over and memorized spawns and they somehow think that equates to skill, p sad.

yet if you vs them in 1v1 ca where it is pure mechanics they lose badly


like when cypher lost the game to evil in bloodrun, cypher spawned right of evil in the last second and died.

shooting defenseless player who has machine gun
aw yi, dat aim

butthurt ca-player.

ur the american version of heartless :D

1v1 ca requires 1/10th of the mechanics needed in duel.