edit: edit

right on cue

don't even bring out 1v1 if isn't exciting to watch, you're directly competing against the fighting scene, which shits all over quakelive, when it comes to excitement

Your brain on drugs.

Season finale of Glee - 6 million viewers
Rebeca Black Friday - 250 million
Justin Bieber - Baby - 900 million
Soccer WC- 3.2 billion

what's your point?

my point is, quake's popularity has been spiraling downwards for a long time.
fighting games, on the other hand, have been growing in popularity for about a decade, and have made huge strides after the introduction of streams.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=evo%20...amp;cmpt=q

see that link and compare to this one

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=quakecon&cmpt=q

people don't want to watch quake3/live anymore, and when lans go away, people will stop playing it.

a future quake/similar title needs to be about team games or else it's destined to fail

a future quake/similar title needs to be about team games or else it's destined to fail

Starting to veer into cooloutac/full retard territory. Duel is the epitome of skill in Quake, and thus the epitome of Quake. It is by far the most enjoyable facet of the game to spectators. Again, your brain on drugs.

i'm not saying 1v1 should be left out. i'm just saying that the focus should be on team games instead. 1v1 has been the focus for a long time and there hasn't been any huge increases in popularity.
it's time to try something different

"Duel is the epitome of skill in Quake, and thus the epitome of Quake."

nope it goes like this........

Duel is the epitome of skill in Quake, BUT!!!! TDM is the epitome of Quake.

you can blame CS for this

fighting games are gaining popularity because you dont need ANY skills to play them with your friends. just mash the buttons and something awesome will happen.



sadly for quake, it has rather high skill demand to even start the game.

fighting games were the laughing stock of esports for the longest time.
now it's our turn to the be the laughing stock.
we can either learn from them or we can go extinct. there are no other options.
a new game, that improves on the standard, is what is most necessary for growth - we need our street fighter IV.

ok whatever, blame id for quake failure

our fault for not asking more from id, too.
some people did ask for improved pub games and for advanced movement during the beta, but our voices got drowned out by all the people who said they wanted ql to be as close to q3 as possible..
now were stuck with a game that nobody wants to watch because it feels about as fresh as stale garlic. :/

You're referring to tekken I think. Saying a game like Streetfighter is only buttonmash is truly offensive because it's actually not, there's actually quite alot of depth to it. Think about it as a quake duel without the items... Yeah sounds pretty stupid but if lots of people play it for a long time it will end up getting pretty advanced. In conclusion, it's a hard game.

i didnt play SF, but in any other game you can mash and have fun.

not saying these game dont have depth, they are just highly accessible because of it.

Yeah I agree, it's just that Streetfighter tends to get looked down upon from people who haven't played it, skillwise, when it's actually a really difficult and advanced game. And really there are no other fighting games quite like it.

About a month ago sirax wrote QL is more popular than ever since qlranks started.

Gaming streams are only a show, not the activity itself. Doesn't matter that LoL gets millions of viewers: what matters is that it has millions of active players.

those are the effects of faceit
once faceit goes away or once faceit starts focusing on larger titles(dota2), you can kiss that activity goodbye.

streaming numbers do matter
more viewers = more sponsors = more tournaments = more money for tournament winners

http://www.polygon.com/2013/7/15/4524376/evo-...nt-founder

"If you had any doubts about whether or not EVO 2013 would see even more players than last year, you can put those doubts to rest. As reported by GameSpot, EVO has once again broken its attendance record with exactly 3,538 unique competitors flying in from across the world.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/844490/evo-2013-reco...OjtIQIy.99 "

Also: Cricket WC 2.2 billion

lol @ ppl beliving in reborn

I actually chose to believe in quake V. I don't want an entire new game, I want a new quake with new stuff to discover and the old things converted. but dreams are for shitty people fuck me right?

QV is more likely to happen than reborn, so yeah, valid choice

Quake V?
N E V E R
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V
E
R

think I heard something semiliar once or twice before..

Quake 4 wasn't bad don't get me wrong but it's just not half the game that quakelive is.

Ok, got it.

Question: so then what the fuck are you doing here?

People keep saying quake is dead since 02, it's so tiring. Are we playing quake? yes now fuck off.

haha word, how your life going buddy?

I still cannot believe how breathtakingly beautiful Norway is I enjoy ever second I live here. Some eastern european assholes broke into my hotel in oslo and stole my brand new quake machine though, i have insurance but i dont have a laptop now. i hope they die in a fire. anyway i hope i can hook up that austrian chick and spent an adventurous and happy year here. how is yours going?

With more work than i would like but at least i have a couple of hours per day to play Q U A K E :D
Family is OK, healty etc, and for me thats #1 priority so, all good.
Best of luck with that austrian chick!

what are you talking about? I can find a game without a problem

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quake 4.1/quake 4 redux
the game would be built with competition in mind, and would hopefully run much better than what you remembered.

1) not browser based, so the game will run better than ql, and that also means it could get support from ESEA. ESEA is the most important organization for FPS games in the USA.
http://play.esea.net

2) Q4 takes more mechanical skill and is more exciting to watch than q3/ql. everytime i've shown a q4 video to people on a forum, i've always gotten positive responses. rarely will anyone say anything about a quakelive video i've posted. q4 really is more exciting to spectate, no bs.

i hope id would add double jumps to q4, which would add a little bit more skill and it'd spice up the game for veterans of q4. they could also do other tweaks like lower weapon switch times/increase rl speed, etc.

3) a lot of people wanted to play it but never did because of the high system requirements, so it still would be fresh to A LOT of quake fans.


4) steam....

a new quake is preferable, but id could use quake 4 if they need to save money/time.

RIP tbe

quake's dead?

shit man i can still play daily and i'm in north america for fucks sake. all you esport loving people who think quake needs four billion views kinda make me lol. just shut up and play eh m8?

dead once faceit moves away from quake
i'm just calling it a little early ;p

north america hasn't had any form of league, sponsored cups, or any support whatsoever since like two thousand fucking nine. and the game is still played. not by many, do not get me wrong, but this incessant pessimistic attitude towards a VIDEO game is just annoying to read. go outside, find something else to fill your time, and play quake when you want to and stop worrying about whether or not it's alive or dead.

it's a video game. let faceit move away, who cares? the idea is to play more and cry less. and if you're convinced it's gonna die, better enjoy it while you can.

edit: i should also note that the faceit having a duel cup with prize money for north america is kind of an indication that they aren't intending to move away from quake. you guys in europe honestly have no idea how alive this game really is for you.

edit2: according to my esr stalking abilities you actually live in USA, so i'm gonna lump you in with hello_world and just ignore you. more NA players talking instead of playing and you wonder why the game is so dead!!!! lol0l

It's dead. Enjoy it while you can.

An EvO equivalent of Quake where it would have all of the quake games in one event(or fast paced FPS in general)(Qcon needs to step it up!) would be a possible solution to unite the Quake community thus bigger numbers, then if possible, more mainstream exposure.

I mean the quake community isn't as small as people think it is. (but yeah compared to other games like LoL, dota2 etc) Now if they could get QW, CPM, Q2, QL, (Q4?) players to watch in one stream(watch in the same venue), then MAYBE...sponsors would see games like quake in a positive light.

A quakecon without idsoftware would awesome.
only questions are, who would run it and where would it be done?
Vegas in mid-june sound good to me ;p i'll support it if it's in vegas

edit: esea could do all that, duh.

ofc if everything else fails then for the meantime we can always treat quake lans as some sort of family getaway/vacation and have no choice but to wait for Quake V.....

yes! best idea!

I thought this thread was from 2001....

We get so many of these threads...

And the whole quake 3 is dead started when cpl dropped q3 in late 2001.

Quake is as active as it havent been in years.Sure theres not anymore these big tournaments and lans, but activity, the amount of games that people play daily is probably at the level of 00-05.New release wont change a shit, there will still be the same 50-100 player base, neither wont Reborn just as Shitmania didnt.People will still play the games they like and honestly I dont see anything wrong with current quake or any other serie.What you fail to understand is that people have got older now and most of us just come for quickies.Quake is like chess, dont change it we like it just the way it is.If youre looking for a change.. move on to warsow or xonotic, but leave quake the way it is, thx!

And about q4.. it wasnt the tdm, but CTF that made that game special.It was something different, refreshing, fast and it still retained the quake atmosphere.But people didnt play it, because most of them couldnt even run the game properly.. just tell me who is going to spend 1-1.5Ke for a new machine just to play quake, except the spoiled 14y kid???Today were all 25-30 years old and just want some of that ol` game we have been playing for years, nothing else.

naw, i'll just wait for reborn before i start playing fps again.
enjoy your outdated game.

edit: yes, i'm done bothering you guys about game changes.
enjoy your game. seriously.
adios.

Like mouse* and hitsu, I also choose to believe in Quake V.

naw, i'll just wait for reborn before i start playing fps again.

Youre deluded if you expect Reborn to gather thousands of players base, because it wont.. same faces you saw years before will be present again in the game youre mentioning.Demons and monsters are just out of fashion, CoD and games like this is what attracts kiddies today.

enjoy your outdated game.

So youre simply fed up of the game?Nobody cares, move on.

Actually wasn't 05 terrible in terms of tournaments? I remember there only being eswc 05.

Oh yeah, Quakecon 2005 had Miss Quakecon.

wat

50 to 100 player base? That's the number of active players in JUST South Africa.

I have an idea of team-based game mode: its a handball. 2 teams 1 ball. Everyone have something like q2 blaster or q3 gauntlet (close combat). You can do RJ.1 hit - 1 kill. Ball can bounce off walls. You can throw a ball. Goal is put ball into the enemy gates. 2 gates.
Movement: on ground switch direction very fast (like SM or Q4). You have a boost button - a very fast dodge (like ut, but cooldown is faster) and standart jump.

Something like this?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAOEp6gE90

I think thats what 1flagctf could have been. Imo people dont use the full potential when playing this gametype especially passing the flag to other Teammates, they usually just run by their own.

Yeah. I play it with bots a long time ago)
we need a better physics then ut04, cause we need to intercept a ball in air.
Free2 play model
+ aim not depended of graphics ( no picmip) , we can sell cool skins and models, custom map textures and sounds etc

There is a Q3 mod that is exactly as you described called ProBall. Check it out :)

Thanks
This is looks mutch better then BombingRun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnLm_6LtWYM
I had a lot of fun just throwing a ball with bots =.D
g_speeds 550, gauntlet 4 all, a little bit of aircontrol, and we need move up and down abruptly with g_speeds 320-550

Check out deathball (mod for ut2004). Imo this is the best adaption of a "ballsport" for fps. I play it sometimes with friends and it's awesome. Would be even better with strafejumping, though.

>Q4
keep it clueless

It's just people's fault. Q3 shits on the stupid fighting games, but peasants can follow a fighting game easier than a 3D one.

eh, i think i have it in me for one more response.

q4 = q3 at the core, they're almost identical games. the biggest difference between the two games is the speed of q4.
a q4 reboot would work better on twitch because it's a funner game to spectate. there is no doubt it in my mind that it would get more viewers than quakelive.
having more viewers is important because that's how you get new blood into your scene nowadays. not to mention streams are vital for getting sponsors. "the stream is king"


here are a couple of blowout games from q4 that are still entertaining to watch..
that's saying something because i can't even watch a quakelive 1v1 if it isn't a close game. once someone gets a 5 frags lead in quakelive, i usually change the stream or go do something else(depends on who's playing, ofc)





not even going to touch that ignorant remark about fighting games.

There's something incredibly unappealing about Q4.

sound

models

60 fps

Lets leave it on *

need to see 60%+ rail all the time like in ql?
maps not outdated enough for you?
not bouncy enough?
wat?

The game sucks no matter how many videos you post.

yeah, thats why a lot of pros said they preferred it over q3. i'm sure you know more than they do.

garpy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztsEr3B-A0w&t=8m12s

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If you don't like the responses in my journal than get out of here, jamerio-jr. go be angry somewhere else.

>a lot
>garpy
all the relevant quake pros prefer q3.

a lot of pros?

you made a funny :D

Your brain is working backwards if UMvC3 is easier to follow for you than Q3.

Not really, everyone is familiar with a 2D beat'em up, and the concept behind it is very simple. In quake, if you don't understand the map, concepts of timing, movement, etc... then it becomes difficult to see why a particular shot is so crucial.

Sure, but UMvC3 is not a typical fighting game. It's chaotic as fuck and there's so much shit going on it's hard to follow even for people that do know the game well. And it's not like the core concepts of Quake gameplay are that hard to grasp - I remember there was a QL finals going on before SC2 finals at some DH tourney and there were lots of SC2 players watching it in anticipation of "their" finals. Initially most of them didn't know wtf was going on but they picked up rather quickly (helped with some explanations in the chat, naturally).

The casters are very good at explaining the game.

The current casting style in quake is mainly describing what's on screen, whereas in UMvC3 is the complete opposite.
I only played vanilla marvel 3 for about a week and because of casting I can follow that game, knowing the mechanics (the basics of them), strategies used with the current balance and why each character is picked. That never, ever happens in quake, or at least hasn't since 2gd stopped casting.

Yeah, I suppose that is true as well, it's mostly play by play and yelling to get the spectators excited, not much analysis.

The casters at EVO weren't much better tho, to be perfectly frank.

Get out.

Get out of what?

His mind!

nope

effectively, it's harder to find populated games

tbe will die before quake, most likely some kind of brain tumor

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gg

The main thing I noticed about EVO is the speed at which the action happens. It's extremely viewer friendly. There's no waiting around; there's very little warmup for the players on the stage; there's very little time between games. Literally as two people exit their match and leave the stage, two more are taking their place to play the next game. With quake you have these obscene waits as pedantic players warm themselves up/are unavailable/can't be found/can't be organized. Even at big lan (sometimes ESPECIALLY at big lan events) you have players warming up for sometimes upwards of 20 minutes before the first map even starts. Map picking takes forever and is very unfriendly for viewers (there's no graphic, there's no visual representation of what is happening like you get to compensate for the slow picking process in a game like say Dota 2, there's no interaction with the audience during this stage in quake).

This can often times make quake streams very boring to watch! Even for someone who has played many many many quake tournaments/other fps tournaments and loves the game! I don't want to sit there for 20 minutes waiting for Evil to be found or for Cooller to smoke a cigarette or for Strenx to decide that his aim is good enough to begin. These are all things the players should be taking care of before any scheduled tournament play begins. Some of the fault is on the streamers/organizers in my opinion for not making things like map picking a more interactive process and for not enforcing a more rigid schedule (I do acknowledge that 125 FPS does its best to punish players who are hard to work with, but let's be honest it's nowhere near the level of other games). That being said, a lot -- if not the majority -- of the fault is on the players who seem to have very little regard for rules/organization/appeal to the market.

I understand quake is a very intensive game and the tiniest level of discomfort can lead to a loss, but really quake players need to harden up IMO or streams will continue to suffer with low viewers. At EVO the players just rock up -- smash some buttons for a few minutes -- then they're playing their game. End of story. Much more enjoyable to watch and I don't know the first thing about fighting games.

after watching some dota2 you actually get the impression quake delays are minimal

True, Dota 2 has big delays. But they also have huge teams of casters to keep people entertained between maps (when delays are most likely). I've never watched a Dota 2 stream with large delays where they only had one pair of casters. I imagine that could get pretty stale pretty quick. Also Dota 2 games last sometimes upwards of 5x longer than a quake map -- on average 3-4x -- so that should be taken into account. Is the delay in dota 2 between maps > than the delays in a whole quake series? Maybe, I haven't calculated it. I know Dota 2 streams are aware of their delays though and actively work to keep viewers interested.

well by that reasoning the matches in fighting games only last a couple of minutes so the breaks should be massively shorter aswell

fighting games are a very fortunate case in terms of logistics though.

since you can have 2 people playing on the same setup and matches are very quick, tournaments have a considerable space reserved to free-to-play/casual matches.. and pros don't shy away from playing warmup games with random people.

by the time they show up on stream they're ready to go.

tl;dr
Stfu
Grfo
Fo
Gtfo

League of Legends #1

What's so bad about fighting tournaments?

who are you talking to?

It's 2013, and people are still making these threads? I've seen these since 2002, and a decade later here we are, still playing quake, and still commenting at ESR...

quake is dead (c) some dick

God the beginning of this game is so frustrating.

True, crazy little gem of gaming.

i thought that the rip quake messengers died in 2008

It'll be around 10 yearts from now. It might be weak torunaments like quake 2. but itll still be around in some form

another 'quake is dead' topic...
quake is being played on dreamhack, on quakecon, faceit is doing a great job to keep people interested and you say that quake is dead
lol
what should people playing q3/q2/quakeworld say?

gg no re
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