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you didnt even plus him..

that's just mean

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like said before, i think idsoft has gone off the path a long time ago.

nothing they do screams quality anymore...

its all about the scene keeping things rolling now!

Minigames = Quality

quakecon in a nutshell.

zero4's twin brother, Jack

WTF

was that one of the proposals?

@thooorin
"@Slasher Which Quake version are you referring to? Cos Q3 was never "THE game" and Quakecon was never "THE event"."

So what was "the" game? When Quake 3 came out, compared to Unreal Tournament, Quake was far better than Unreal Tournament in regards to esports. UT was slow as molasses.

what "the game" was doesn't matter. games are released all the time to top previous games. it's pretty much impossible for there to be 'the game' or 'the esports platform'. I guess quakelive style constantly evolving platform is the closest thing, but it's 'a game' and can't be 'the game' as people come up with completely new games constantly.

you just lost a game

game on

was he referring to WSVG or QHLAN? hmmm

Red annihilation, baby

Spider-Man's secret rape face when Mary Jane goes Harosh to him

or maybe the masses just arnt interested in arena deathmatch...

I find this comment interesting considering that LoL, DOTA2 and Starcraft 2 receive a lot of attention from the masses.

I think it has a lot to do with educating the masses and having a system setup allowing new players to enjoy the game from the get go...not get completely destroyed by players that shouldn't even be playing noobs to begin with.

As an example, take a look at SC2's in-game UI in relation to the in-game ladders, leagues, etc. Quake Live needs this badly.

Except QuakeLive is nothing like LoL, DotA, or StarCraft. They don't have similar game mechanics whatsoever, so you can't really make a valid comparison.

It's already fairly easy to get into the game from the start. Download the plugin, install the plugin, wait for the maps to download, join a game, and off you go.

It used to be to be placed in a tier that you would go through the training with Crash. That's been changed to having players play 20 games to decide what tier they should be properly placed in. It makes perfect sense to start them off in Tier 3, and adjust up/down accordingly. Unfortunately, it means that some players may get destroyed in the beginning, but I don't see how that can be avoided. There's no way to have perfect knowledge about a player before they've even played a game.

If you are referring to players creating alternate accounts to destroy weak players, then again, they could institute some form of authentication to limit this practice. However, as is, after 20 games, these players would be placed in an upper tier anyways. I find it rather rare anyways nowadays to find someone engaging in this practice.

his criticism is valid. i made a new account a while ago and the first game was ctf with dahang and id on the server. cool for me, but not exactly designed for people new to quake live.

there really shouldn't even be a server browser, just a "find match" button like starcraft or "start match with friends".

And it could work like black ops 2 does, merging servers and all. To me that's probably the biggest reason why I play it from time to time, ps3.

Like I said, how do you tell how good or bad a player is without them playing some matches? They could be a seasoned Q3 veteran or they could be new to Quake and have no idea how to aim or strafe. To me, it makes the most sense to start anyone in Tier 3 -- the tier with arguably the widest variation in skill. If you're good, then you'll have at least an acceptable level of competition and get bumped up. If you're bad, then you'll struggle with the competition and get bumped down.

It's all well and fine to say the current system isn't working in your opinion, but then, how would you improve it? Do you think they should compute a provisional tier ranking after fewer games? Keep in mind, when you had to play Crash to determine your skill level, it was easy for people to circumvent it in order to be placed in a lower tier to start to "slum" other players.

no.

LoL, Dota2, and SC2 are nowhere near "arena deathmatch."

yes, we agree if the very first launch of quakelive came with starcraft 2 style matchmaking and ladders it would have had a larger following (millions of threads have been on esr about this aspect). But I think it still would not have as much following as LoL.

Throw enough superficial bullshit their way like hats, achievements, customization, rankings, unlockables etc and they would be interested.

the 'id Software' and 'regular' gamers DON'T understand the game. they DON'T understand how it's epic. they DON'T care about rapha. they care about going through landscapes killing monster with autoaimed rockets, puzzles, and angry birds. most people would be bored by the interviews.

again, and again, esports is a small niche, and quakelive esports is another small niche. it's hard and requires long attention span and long history. big companies want big markets. even worse (for quake) PCs are becoming a niche! consoles are becoming a niche! mobile devices are way more accessible and popular, and nothing is going to stop this.

the best that can be done is to exploit the niche while it's there, giving it limited, low priority resources. any more would be a waste.

sad but true :/

oh well, maybe pc gaming can make a come back in the future? hopefully its not all downhill

I don't think it's downhill, but it's certainly different hill :)

sad but true, but then again many things are like this. Only a small population on the planet appreciate chess but its still going.

except chess has been going for a thousand years and doesn't require any passing attributes like computers

my concerns about quakecon this year were:

1.delays (b4 the grand finals)

2.no post-game interviews after the grand finals

3.lack of photo coverage in the tournament area
apart from that, everything else was a success.

The success was because of the faceit crew imo.

Not taking away from the volunteers or people making QuakeCon and stuff, it's just that FaceIt really made this QuakeCon.

Quake Live might have been great if it were community controlled with id Software out of the picture. Then again, it would have needed to happen four years ago.

I doubt it as this community can't reach consensus on anything, so nothing would ever get done. Sad, but true.

Q3 was great because of the community. QL continues because of the community. In summation, you don't know anything. Sad, but true.

Hahaha, you're kidding, right? The Q3 community was so fractured because everyone had their own ideas and priorities. I'd suggest you put down your glass of Koolaid, and take off the rose-coloured glasses.

You come across as one of the shitty excessive/instagib/ra3/never-part-of-the-active-community guys, or one who has never played Q3 at all. You're finished here, Anon.

the greatest maps came from the community and they were added to QL

Most likely the single most intelligent and thought provoking post ever made on ESR. Well done sir.

I wouldn't use Slasher to further any point as he is undoubtedly bitter about Quake, considering he was banned from QuakeCon IIRC a few years ago for revealing details about the game covered under a NDA.

QuakeCon, to me, was never really about Quake per se. It was more about people who love Quake coming together to have one big LAN party and playing lots of different games with each other (not just Quake). While the competitive tournaments are thrilling, it's never been the main selling point and it really makes no sense for it to be either. Like any other convention, a certain amount of hawking of sponsors' products is to be expected too.

As much as I love Quake, it is a niche game now. Unfortunately, I don't see them doing much with it anymore since it simply doesn't make good business sense. Be glad that we have QuakeLive and that it still has support in some fashion.

He still covers it, loving the game (or rather the community) more than what he dislikes the company.....like we all do.

Quakecon was just an excercise for FACEIT lan 2014.

ohhh dont u dare!

Slasher is just a drama queen for twitter whoring , esp. after all the ban beef

That's my thoughts too. Never really liked him as a caster anyways for Quake.

Well we are kind of used to this crap, but the last day of quakecon would be unacceptable (lemongrab) in any other community.

that was years ago, you are ridiculous if you think that has anything to do with what I said.

me: drama queen
you: YOU ARE RIDICULOUS!!!

e-sports is all about marketing, not the actual games. In that regard QL sucks, and that's the one that matters.

On the contrary though, you can also be positive. Attention for Quake Live has been growing in a steady pace for the last couple of months/year. A lot of cups going on. For instance: FACE-IT turning (and keeping) people's attention, 125 FPS cups and several other (mini)cups keep the game interesting for the higher- and lower level players. But in general yeah; Quake Live will never be a major e-sports player in the business, it's mechanics aren't really made for mainstream gamers, and unfortunately mainstream has become the defining line these days on the gaming market. It would be easier for everyone to just accept this fact and keep enjoying the game as it is and appreciate the time and hard work some people are still investing in a virtually 'unprofitable' game.

Take a look at quake from a micro perspective:
We have a good and loyal community keeping Quake alive. The majority of the people is mature and helpful towards newcomers (elitists aside) and we have several people developing maps, a global ranking system that has become widely accepted and several other examples [qlprism, pickups, wolfcam, demoupload thingies, you name it]. If you compare Quake Live and it's features to its state back in 2008, you can't deny the fact that improvements and efforts have been made. Quake Live is great, it will become greater and if we just stay positive, it might just get that little 'bit' more attention it deserves. But complaining 24/7 about every single thing and having too high expectations by default won't get us anywhere.

Keep playing Quake and show some appreciation (donate) when cups/maps are being made to keep whats left of us alive.

I like to look at the fighting game community and their success, huge success, with EVO, the annual fighting game championships they have for all fighting games ranging from Street Fighter 2 Turbo all the way to the latest and greatest Marvel, SF4, and Mortal Kombat games.

Year after year, these guys continue to show up and they will never lay down their fight sticks for their respective games because they have a drive and a passion to compete in those games.

Evo helps out a lot, though it's mostly a community-driven effort, with CAPCOM helping out some I believe.

I understand Quakecon is about the LAN, but it could be much more if id just opened their eyes and showed some passion. Faceit did an outstanding job and I hope that next year's quake tournaments feature old school Quake for those who still like competing in it.

Like EVO does with the fighting games, do the same for the FPS, tournaments for the following as an example:
1. Quake II
2. Quake World
3. Quake 3 (Pro Mode?)
4. Quake Live
5. Quake 4 (cough, not really)

In your example of EVO, it'd make way more sense to have the latest Quake (QL), and a plethora of other FPS games. Quake Live, Warsow, Xonotic, or something like that. Quake's sparse population doesn't need to be broken up between 20 year old versions of Quake.

warsow and xonotic over qw and cpm?
wtf is wrong with you?

Did I say I prefer Xonotic or Warsow over CPM or QW? Reading... not your strong suit. What I *did* say was based on his example of EVO, having totally different games makes more sense than just different iterations of Quake.

no, it doesn't make sense.
those communities are even smaller and theyre inferior esport products. it would be like going to a street fighter event and seeing world heroes and art of fighting instead of sf3 and ssf2t.
logic, do you have any?

Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooly shit, you're dumb.

an insult only reply
yep, i won this argument :)

no

He seems to be the one displaying superior logic. EVO had Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition ver. 2012, Injustice: Gods Among Us, Super Smash Bros. Melee, King of Fighters XIII, Street Fighter x Tekken ver. 2013, Mortal Kombat, Persona 4 Arena and Tekken Tag Tournament 2. He is making the argument that for this hypothetical event to be like EVO, it would need to include contemporary games of the same genre.

those are all good games except for injustice
he wants to leave out older quake games for some reason and replace them with lesser quality AND smaller games. no clue why he's biased against them, but he is. i have no problem with warsow/xonotic being there, but i'd want to see older quakes being featured as well.

edit: anyways, this debate is over an imaginary event
it might never happen, so lets move on.

He just explained why, you fucking dumb ass.

Go to your bathroom mirror. Look at yourself. Know that you're an idiot.

Suicide.

evo would be nothing like our fps event.
NOTHING
it's actually dumb to compare our "event" to EVO
the fighting game community is 20x bigger than the fps community for one.

suicide?
in your dreams, pedro
in your dreams
add me to ignore since you can't handle a good debate
cry yourself to sleep tonight, pussy.
let the butthurt flow freely

"Like EVO does with the fighting games, do the same for the FPS..."
We are discussing an event which WOULD be like EVO.

This isn't a good debate whether you want to pretend it is or not. It's actually sort of funny that you believe you're making valid arguments and hell, even consider this a "debate." You're stupid.

Also, I won't ignore you, I never ignore people. Plus, keeping my ignore free allows me to see the retards of esreality and laugh about it.

Case in point: now.

comment 85
make a reply to it or shutup

This hypothetical event is an EVO for FPS arena games. EVO showcases many different contemporary games in the fighting genre. The hypothetical arena FPS EVO would showcase contemporary games in the arena FPS genre. Whats not to get?

no one would show
no one would care
have you seen a warsow 1v1 being played?
boooring

anyone not named hitsu could enjoy a good qw/cpm 1v1/tdm tho

what's not to get

I'm not talking about what I prefer, this discussion was framed as EVO for FPS. I don't give a shit about xonotic or warsow.

evo doesn't pick smaller titles like world heroes/art of fighting for the main show
they pick titles with the most interest

ql/tf2/cs would be the top games for a fps evo

then qw/q2/doom/cpm

if there was any time left
warsow/painkiller/xonotic would get played.

you guys get where i'm coming from now?

i have no idea about warsow scene but i doubt cpm is bigger

cpm has a lot more serious ex/part time players tho
if someone announced a tournament with a decent prize, it could easily get back a lot of its old playerbase.

no one is switching to warsow for a tourney or for any other reason. the game is technically dead.

cpm is a better esport title anyways, it deserves to go over warsow for that reason alone.

cpm is a better esport title anyways, it deserves to go over warsow for that reason alone.

Calling either one better is stupid. They're different flavors. Besides, neither one is an esport because of the lack of real competition.

cpm is better as a spectator game, thats what i meant by being better.
from what i've gathered while being on esr, most people would agree with me.
make a public poll if you want to see if i'm right.

cpm is mostly inactive because no one runs good tournaments anymore. if something like challenges/wansanity/community lan were to show up, the scene would easily surpass the current wsw scene.

take this debate to imgs, if you want to continue it, i'm done talking about it here.

money prices in cpm would make 50 player tournament, shady and me hosted cpmfightclub right before faceit started, and even players from ql joined it (funnyb, reheppappen, ins, twister, luke and fazz). It was sweet except hal ragequitted final.. with money price one doesn't just ragequit

also my gfx is dying and this screen looks like im playing nes without blowing the game first so i'm not sure if i'm even replying the proper guy

I've been playing wsw the last few days and as far as I can see, the duel scene is bigger in CPM

all of those games are bad except kof 13...

I agree, I was not justifying the games.

first of all quakecon is a lan party, it is not some kind of 'esport meeting', quakelive is not considered an esport yet, it doesn't reach the same numbers that other games do. So don't hate about how the event went, they just don't know what game they created; the gameplay that players develop was an accident and there's no way that someone would have predicted all that shit while coding or developing the game. They don't know how the scene works but if someone explained them that quakelive players are a good source of profit once that some marketing made them famous, then they would orientate their events with this purpose and between games we would just have to see regular "short" ads with rapha saying stuff like "BUY RAZER THEY COOL" instead of most random pathetic games and marriages proposals

And this could had been done by 03-05 when the game had a lot of hype, I mean, a LoL pro has more respect than a QL pro inside the gaming world atm.

EDIT:this year quakecon was great cos FACEIT has been working a lot for the scene during the season, hiring commentators from INSIDE the game and best production ever with good prices to keep players motivated, ID once again, didn't give a shit.

It's not about whether they know/care about e-sports and whether quakelive is considered one or not. The Quakecon organizers decide to host a Quake[live] tournament every year. There needs to be some basic level of respect and accommodation on their part though. Year after year they pull the same shit with the finals, they have a schedule, then suddenly when the time comes it's delayed and then delayed some more. It's almost like they do it just to fuck with the players. And Willits's, "oh this guy is taking his sweet time" about rapha I'd say is worse than Marty and Todd's infamous exchange about the duel players back in 2008.

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/18090-QuakeC...ra_matters ; 4:37 if you want to skip to the part.

I find it hard to believe these guys are really that oblivious to the situation around them. I'd say they genuinely don't give a fuck about quake[live] or it's players.

what I also find noteworthy is that in 2013 Willts didn't know who zero4 was despite he's been on that main stage since the year 2000.

A few million dollars can make you forgetful.

well he did get twice the size he was at 2000

Not to mention having a tournament take place completely on a Thursday when there is a 3 day LAN. I understand getting lots of the group stages done, etc, but if you want people to learn about Quake, they should be broadcasting a TON of matches.

For example, the fact that we didn't even get to see Stermy vs Zero4 is an absolute travesty.

Then you got The International 3 taking up like a week. Meh, I think Quake could've hit 10k viewers for the Grand Finals if it wasn't for Tim Willits and his duo of retarded chicks doing mini games. All the Europeans were already saying "fuck this, I'm going to bed."

QL can still be a top esport will take the right people to move it though. current id software people will not do the job we have seen this.

actually it kind of sounded like id software was willing to help ql develop into more of a competitive game, asking for feedback and what not.

I don't recall id software asking for feedback. Was this on the QL forums or something?

After seeing the recent map pack with Cure, it looks like the QL team is dedicated, probably dedicated as long as there's enough revenue coming in from subscribers.

I think they need a complete overhaul of the user interface and the way the game matches you with other players.

Joining a server and then sitting and waiting for "X" minutes is not fun. I wish they would have a similar setup like Starcraft II, that user interface and the whole leagues/ladders in-game thing is incredible and fun, because it's hassle-free.

Cure was not made by the QL staff nor by id software.

There are three entities mentioned on that prior sentence: when we talk about id software we talk of the company itself, distinguishing it from the QL devs which is a team of exactly two people working on this on their spare time.
For instance on qcon 2013 thursday and friday were run by the QL staff, whereas saturday night it was by id software, essentially ruining it. Also carmack, willits and so on (id software) either have not touched the game at all or they did many, many years ago, and if they did their contribution was marginal, not credits worthy.

Then the third name is cityy, a map maker who is just someone from the community (not an employee) contributing a map to the game, like most of the q3 and ql competition maps

I don't think they work on it in their 'spare time'. I believe Sync and Sponge are ( the only ) fulltime staff. I'm sure they can get extra resources allocated to their project when needed, but for the most part yeah, it'd be just them.
As for Carmack and Willits, I don't think managing QL is their job. Both of them work on developing current titles, which is id's main focus.
One of the unfortunate truths of the modern videogame industry is that higher expectations in terms of content and overall quality necessitate higher budgets, and longer development times, which in turn necessitates a larger investment from big publishers. Same problem in every creative industry. To companies like Bethesda QL and Quake as an IP are some kind of 'investment'. Every decision will be decided by cost/benefit analysis... bla bla bla... They're not going to fund Quakecon into some kind of competitive extravaganza... 5000 viewers on twitch doesn't make a huge amount of revenue.
The real harsh truth is that Quake won't ever again be 'the big thing'. I think it enjoyed it's time in the sun as THE major competitive FPS simply because of the time and place. What was it competing against? Unreal Tournament, half-life? These games couldn't compete with the streamlined and bare-bones deathmatch of Quake3. It maintained casual appeal because upon release it wasn't some kind of unforgiving, niche oldschool deathmatch game that had played religiously by a small and devoted playerbase for the past 15 years. People COULD get away with being noobs, because there was a larger playerbase of similarly skilled players... Also, there was no alternative that was more casual in 1999.
These days there are titles like COD that are marketed specifically to casual players/stoners/the handicapped... so why would they waste their time struggling with Quake?
The best we can hope for is that a new title like Quake5 could help convert more casuals or just plain lure new players... bla bla. As far as market penetration goes, you'd be aiming to just take players from CS or TF2.
Bla bla bla... Quake will never be as big as COD, SC2, DoTa or LoL, but it will always be the better game. There's still a market to be found for future releases, but it will never be as big as it once was.
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New titles won't solve the problem:

1.- Other games tried to conquer this genre. All failed, even with tons of advertising.
2.- If the new title is successful on the long run, which is what we are looking for (another q3), that means the gameplay will suck balls or not be deep enough to still be interesting for the hardcore q3 player that in his games wants control, freedom and that being good translates into advantages.
3.- There are plenty of titles that went for the compromise route: some are extremely unpopular for 'us' though they are acceptable (urban terror) and others just went too far on simplifying things (tf2).
4.- And most importantly, in 2013 none that matters is interested in making a new quake. No funding gg.

What's best is to just stick with QL, advertise it since it never was (id should do this), and when it dies we all go back to q3 or insert good old title.


I don't think funding and content is necessarily a 1 to 1 ratio. What should be done, by 2gd or dirtybomb, is allowing and encouraging community made content and overall customization. That's what made all quakes great and what makes TF2 enormously profitable, with steam workshop (people submit their hats, valve sells them, split the money) and cheap to make goodies that can be done in lunch time (pink railgun quakeworld rocket launcher great success).


edit: On the matter of QL advertising, the community could try its best but personally I don't see why we should do a company's job for free and we don't have any degree of control of that game, which we do in q3 making it a better long term project if everything goes well.
In QL id could pull the plug on the project whenever it wants to (killing the game entirely) and the game will still have its immemorial issues forever: no community made content, copyright issues in everything so the game doesn't have 99% of what q3 does, teen rating, LAN, offline support so it's reliable, embed streams and chats, awful server browser, the accounts distinctions that are incomprehensible for any newcomer, the split up community as few know about esr (it should be encouraged like in LoL) and there are no official local groups, fps drops and overall performance issues because of being in a browser, quakecon organization, no support for major lans (yep I still remember syncerror's iem promise) and so on.

It's a fucking web game! How hard is it to have a "find duel" button or "find TDM", "find CA", "find CTF", etc. and sit in a fucking queue in the background with the option to make an alarm dinging noise when it has found you a game? I can watch videos, browse the web, etc. and have it tell me when I'm up to bat!

This would be even better than Starcraft 2, where you have to be in game and waiting for it to find a match (although you don't have to wait long due to the large playerbase).

Seriously, why can faceit have a find duel button but Quake Live lacks such a simple thing?

this was at qcon to the players that played in the event.

Who said it? Syncerror? Heh.

Lies.

Q3 very much was the game back when it came out for a good year or two. Then the descent into casual friendly games began with CPL moving to CS. Sad state these days when we can look at CS as a skill equal game so to speak.

Thorin is right that Qcon was never "THE" event. It was typically CPL everyone aimed for with Qcon pulling random shite like dm13 only duel tournament.

Quakelive hasn't had the best of time in the esport world because it's a 13 year game. It's hard for new players to jump in and compete with players that still play and have played it for years. The other players that played back in 2000-2002 many are in their 30s now and not some high school or college student anymore and have jobs and families and just don't have time.

This is where new maps come in. Yea, the veterans will have a distinct advantage when it comes to timing, etc, but it's much more reasonable for a new player to compete with veterans on a map they've both never played compared to something like Blood Run where veterans have 10,000 games on it.

Check out most tournament map pools sometimes there's a few new maps but most of the time it's the same maps they played 10 years ago.

I'd love to know how successful ql has been financially. small dev team + server/website hosting vs 5 years of subs... they adopted the right model I think but perhaps not far reaching enough infrastructure. if only id could fully embrace the home developers like the qlranks team to work on the frontend of quake so new players were given more of an incentive to improve rather than the way we learnt. the whole thing needs a redesign and facelift.

it may be kind of an idea to limit quake to the holy trinity of weapons ala sm (rl> lg> rg) in a new game mode involving ca like teams on symmetrical ctf style maps, one side of map painted red and the other blue. bring quake down to the basics without stripping out the heart. New game modes unlock as the player advances. additions like gungame in quake where a kill unlocks the next weapon and first person to go through all weapons to end with a pummel wins the round.

definately ditch the current model of limiting maps and game modes as an incentive to upgrade. apart from the free weeks I've never seen dom, harvester or any others played. freezetag is great for a change... never played. throw in more colors for names, hats, weapon skins, taunts and things like that for premium instead of stripping existing things from the game.

none of it matters to us really as the small but active playerbase will keep playing till it's switched off but if id embrace the community devs so they can add things to the actual infrastructure and make a simple change of policy on what premium should offer then maybe new players will stick around, word may spread and it shouldn't even cost the earth.

-quake is a great esport

NO SHIT!?

id needs to look at more than just being an esport title, sponsors will never put large money on a title who only brings in the 1 percent of gamers. Quake 3 got big sponsor money early on because it was a big game who was also the perfect esport title. This is why I think Reborn will fail.

Right now the problem with Quake is its too harsh for new players to get into, The first server a new player joins is so paramount to whether a player stays or goes a person can be greifed into quitting or the community can help them with things they need to know and show them around even have new player tournaments for them to get involved in.

id marketing excuse (id didn't market quake live), this is a lame excuse when quake live launched it was so jam packed people knew about the game they just did not stay as mentioned above.

The solution, relaunch the title on steam now that you have better servers and a working tier system maybe they will give it a second chance. It will still be up to the community to either respect the new players or troll them off the game again.

This is very true. I take beatings all the time but I know the game, I know I'm not good but I still enjoy the game.

By beatings I mean 37 to -1, etc. If a noob got a beating like that on their first game, they will "X" out their window and do something else, probably to never come back to the game and you can definitely count them out of ever subscribing.

I'd love to see the stats of people who create new accounts and then play one game and then see if they quit and measure whether or not they return. I'm betting it's very high.

The game is there and the ball is in id's court, it's just unfortunate that the game isn't at fault, it's the design of the user interface and the functionality of the matchmaking, making it a nightmare for new players.

In SC2, you can get beat a few times, but you'll typically stay within your skill level until you force yourself to get better and move up the ladder, in QL, it's the opposite. Play one match and get FUBAR'd, and it's highly unlikely the player will return.

This.
But I think they're also limited by the web platform. It's a bit of a double edged blade, the whole website thing got me to join because I was wary of the ugly old days of scouring websites to find ( empty ) local servers and trying in vain to patch your game to the right version... but I think the platform has actually hindered them in the end. And just about everyone involved ended up admitting it was a mistake.
But yeah...

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By the way, the QL duel servers are suddenly populated more than they were last week...could be after effects of the quakecon tournament being so successful.

http://esreality.com/post/2441073/re-todd-hol...pid2441073

Quakecon should really get renamed to Bethcon or something like that. It's not just about Quake anymore...

While it may be about more than just id these days, even the first QuakeCon held a DOOM tournament. It's never been just about Quake.

that's not the point, there should have been more Doom and Quake related stuffs there, beside the Quake-LIVE tournaments we haven't seen any ' big ' thing related to them.

What would you want to see that is Doom/Quake related beside the tournaments?

I'm not knocking back the event. I've always heard it's a good event etc but yeah, it's never been just about Quake. Just that it started from Quake :)

Here's a question for you Sync, do you guys plan to ever create in-game ladder systems similar to what Blizzard has done with Starcraft II?

Well they removed leaderboards

i don't think they're going to add ladders

as long as I have qlranks, I don't care.

But I have to admit, without qlranks and qlprism, the ql web-interface is pretty.. sluggish.. and doesn't invite competition, it's really aimed at the very casual gamer, it seems.

what you mentioned, though, is a good point. I actually bought SC2, because I loved the competetive layout, ladder system, replay features and everything integrated right into the game. Really invites you to train, see how others do and be a little competitive.

Lol at Reborn. Q3/QL is the best competitive FPS that there will be, fact.

Counter-strike is the greatest competitive FPS ever sorry.

ok.

no way it was team fortress classic!

nah it was RTCW!

nah it was quakeworld 4v4 tdm!

Post-game interviews as a phenomenom are retarded. The questions are always trivial and answers never provide any insight. Admittedly Rapha is from the better end, but still I wouldn't mind seeing these interviews go. The non-engiish ones with translator are absolutely excrusiating, they take absolutely forever to even transmit the dumb questions.

QL is improving, slowly but still. We have bug fixes, new features, cvars, gamemodes, web improvements etc.
Unfortunately bigger improvements are unlikely to happen, for example changing the renderer to use vertex buffer objects like Carmack mentioned in 2009. That would require investing some money first.

Another way would be idtech5 based Quake Live. It can be based on RAGE - add ql physics, weapons, convert ql maps and it's already some alpha version ;)

Why would you gain from that?
As JC said it has been tested to death.

QL will never be big. Deal with it.
Altho it's my dream to have quakeish - like shooter at the highest lvl of esports to watch and compete also. I wish sometime in future there will be such game as reborn aspires to be - who knows - but this one I seriously doubt.

The perfect scenario would be Valve buying rights to this game from iD and make it as big as Dota2 (uhhh). It's my dream to see fast paced shooter master winning 1 mln$ in every year championships.

If money is the only driving factor that keeps videogames being played by persons who transform into pro players being picked up by teams who are funded by sponsors where different sponsors have to be there to fund prize money for tournaments themselves who in the best case are receiving the sponsoring from the game developers itself.... then there is no bright future for Quake Live or Quake alike games. As long as there is no genuine interest in doing this hobby out of different aspects, but not the money one, then other videogames and pro players will have their glory, but only for the limited time being massively sponsored. Keep on playing and teach Quake mechanics.