bollocks

guess that about sums it up, estonia |]*

would call it "lucky swedish homos", but that tp block was just clutch as fuck. na'vi brainfarted :(

I'd say throw of the year. I think LD's camera view wasn't there during the play, but I reckon I would have had the chance to perform that play (the first tp interrupt) had I have thought of it. The decision to go for that rax and then not make absolutely sure you had enough people coming back in any case falls on the shoulders of navi, even on Puppey's maybe.

wouldn't call it a throw really. teleporting out in a bunch like that is just overlooked, hence everyone doing it =PP rehepapps summary of "lucky swedish homos" is rather accurate tbh

Well it's definitely dota overlook of the year, and you'd only not define it as a throw because it's too unusual and quirky....

following your logic would mean that evey game lost is a throw. close to all the decisions by na'vi were good, and s4 stumbled on an opportunity.

also im kinda hesitant when calling their grouped up tps a decision. the same way i dont think tongfu threw the game when dendi managed to hook hao to the fountain.

following your logic would mean that evey game lost is a throw.

Not exactly, I mean they took a risk (in pushing there) and didn't think all parts of it through - hadn't they have taken such a big risk, nobody would call it a throw. So at least in this part it's more like a huge blunder rather than being outplayed by opponents.

everything in competitive dota is about risk. thats really the point of the game, balancing what you do/get in exchange for your opponents, so... granted now that its been said they made a decision to not tp, i would agree that its a throw.

the exact point of splitpushing when your enemy is at your t3 is to force tps and attempt to start a fight to either block the tps or pick of stragglers left behind. it's a highly predictable play and was absolutely a throw considering the level of the teams

actually http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1k6t9t...tp_cancel/

or, more accurately:
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1k6t9t...el/cblyi90

it was definite throw then.

pineapples don't grow on trees.

No they grow on Jason lee.

maybe

I agree

Dat final game for 1,4 million $ !!!!

The whole tournament was fucking great!!!

the amount of hate i feel towards swefags and that shitty prophet solo backdoor teleporting is immense. beyond words. 7 days of depression right there.

navi beat tongfu in the deciding game by exploiting a glitch, and you're having a problem with ratdota :DDDDDDD

well the developers don't wanna remove that so i don't know is it comparable cause they're fully aware of it

aside from being one of the worst decisions regarding the devolpment of the game, how would that be different than solo pushing with prophet?

cause this actually takes skill and timing?

do u have any sort of practical knowledge of the game or are just repeating what somebody else have told you?

it takes minimal practice to do, and when it hits its because of shitluck. ive successfully done it many times with pubbers that i havent played with before in my life. seriously, anyone who can count to 3 can do it.

i honestly get the feeling that youre simply trolling now

i've played dota since 5.84c, and the very same shit was happening back then, so yeah, i'm pretty much sure i know what i'm talking about.

it takes minimal practice to do, and when it hits its because of shitluck.

you'll need to think this one through.

so you're telling me you have been playing dota for years and have yet to discover that hook is not a reliable spell, and add to that during a limited amount of time? do you honestly not think more teams would utilize the combo if it actually was reliable?

are u sure that youre not trolling

ahhh, i see. so what your trying to tell me is that dendi heavily abused a glitch to win a game, even though the hook is not a reliable spell, and it takes "luck" to hit? interesting stuff.

so he's the only one who actually did it successfully on LAN, but it's a glitch. even though you can't count on it. cause it's not reliable. but it's a glitch. that gives an unfair advantage. even though it's luck. that's why noone's trying it. cause it's luck. or is it a glitch?

are you sure you're not just... dumb?

its a glitch because its breaking the game. didnt valve acutally release a statement admitting to that?

its not good, its cheap. clear difference, and ive never said otherwise. why a glitch cant be based on luck, i dont know.

listen to the puppey interview after the game where he admits to dendi hooking hao to the fountain was the only reason they won the game. you want to know if dendi heavily abused a glitch to win the game; theres your answer.

navi are the only team who have picked pudge on lan. pudge is too much of a liability due to his inconsitant result. anyone in competitive dota will tell you the same. navi have said in interviews that they dont pick him because of that.

probably the only reason valve didnt fix it was becuase they liked having a retarded laugh at pubs, not expecting it to ever happen in competitive dota again.

if something is based on luck, glitch or not, then the outcome of you trying to abuse it is also uncertain, right? dendi could have missed those hooks.

yes

i mean how do u not get that from my reply

- navi beat tongfu in the deciding game by exploiting a glitch

- if something is based on luck, glitch or not, then the outcome of you trying to abuse it is also uncertain, right? dendi could have missed those hooks.

-yes

you can't EXPLOIT an UNCERTAIN outcome. that's common logic.

fuck me if i know what you want to say.

anyway.

are you EVER going to get a certain result in a game versus other people? lets not forget about context entirely

dude, look. you accused the guy of abusing a glitch to win a game, when you alone state that the hook is a gamble. let's not move away from the topic. he didn't abuse anything cause that's not a glitch in a way you're trying to present it.

the guy played the FUCK out of that pudge, just bow to dendi. the guy is a god. is that so hard to admit? those hooks are what the TI3's gonna be remembered for. it's epic. he did like 7 tp hooks. insane.

on the other hand backdoor teleport is cheap bullshit, and it has always been.

the alliance was clearly the best team on the TI3 before the grand finals. but na'vi deserved to win the finals, they outplayed the fuck out of alliance in game 5. and they lost. it's a fair loss, but the stench is just too ugly. and that's it.

i've got nothing more to add.

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Pretty sure this was deemed too hilarious to fix.

DIRECT QUOTE FROM A VALVE EMPLOYEE CONFIRMING IT'S A GLITCH


dendi didnt have a tp scroll in his inventory during the last push, the only that was canceled by s4's dream coil was fucking XBOCT.

you're fucking delirious

dude

do you honestly not think more teams would utilize the combo if it actually was reliable?

that's your fucking words right there. it's not reliable. you said it. noone's doing it. you said it. what the fuck, seriously?

the last push is not what decided the game, it was pretty much over already, they went all in, but that was after the prophet has already backdoored and took most of their buildings. even if they managed to tp back, i don't think they had any chances to actually win the game vs a stacked prophet.

so yeah.

i'm done here. not motivated really.

it doesnt fucking matter if its an unreliable strat, its based of a glitch any way you put it.

ban strafejumping

wasn't it aircontrol in qw that was supposed to be a glitch?

and lets be fair, hooking that gyro to fountain is like teleporting enemy quad+bs, 200/200 with all weapons and full ammo into void when you're losing the game by 50 frags (tdm terms), then making a comeback of that.

do you even play dota

it's a high risk high reward move that worked because chinese teams play slow as fuck. this is ignoring the fact that they could just dodge the hooks.

idk why someone would bitch about it so much. it's entertaining and hard enough to execute that amateur level(top 15-25 world) teams can't even execute it with success http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ba9nCot71w


if ur argument is that its a glitch ive already given u an equivilent whether or not u want to make "oh but that doesnt count" dismissals is up to u. and i wont even get into how the entirety of dota is built on glitches

thank fucking god, common sense

what's the risk? that pudge is teleported to fountain? 135 gold for a tp? it's fucking pudge, unless he's chasing after people the fucking hero is useless. having the ability to do that against 5 man is fucking godlike. seriously, what else is pudge gonna do? farm? pudge is meant to look for gangs, and those are the the most risk-free gangs you're gonna get in professional dota.

they went of the same trick, what, close to 60 times in the same game? add to that against a top team in eu. its a trick based of hitting hook, thats already have a big inconsistanty. farming pl is hard against a good team, does that mean he should get his quelling blade bug back?

aircontrol in quakeworld is something they could work with. it enabled the game to eovole. if you consider pudge hooking people to fountain from across the map progress... then we cant be playing the same game

fuck it's like im on reddit

I could tell you why youre wrong over and over for 10 posts straight but your mind is already made up cause youre dumb/bad/whatever so I'm not gonna bother

p.s. dodge the hook u fucking idiot

a normal hook wouldnt have made a dent to gyro at his current state

this is irrelevant

hows that

because a normal hook and a chen hook are both dodgable

and im saying chen+pudge is a cheap glitch that shouldnt be in the game

and you've come full circle enjoy bronze

so how about you come up with some arguments for it staying in the game instead of this hitsu mentality u got going on

1. glitches are a part of the game. in fact most games are BUILT ontop of unforseeable glitches that make the game interesting(quake, dota, broodwar)

2. the glitch is hard to execute and has a track record of being unsuccessful in competitive play

3. the opposing team was in a winning position and lost solely because they played slowly. do you understand that playing slowly = more gametime = more attempts? the style of going for roshes rather than using smokes for gangs -> tier3s ONTOP of not actually dodging the hooks lost them the game. there was plenty they could do



Given all of these things(all of which ive said and u ignore, moron) it should be clear theres nothing wrong with chenpudge. stay bad.

some glitches can be built on more than others. a glitch where you drag an opponents hero back to your fountain have no place in the game, as 3 seconds of gameplay can change the outcome of an entire game.

quake 1 and broodwar was released in the 90s, so the opportunity to fix stuff like that was a lot harder. if dota was released in the same age as those games, pl (with kotl) would be able to dominate every lane with very little effort.

the glitch isnt at all hard to execute. hook is an unreliable spell, but not hard at all. in fact, any professional team shouldnt not have problem executing it. unreliable and hard are not the same. hitting a creep with a chance of critting 25% of the time isnt hard to execute, its simply has a success rate of 25% (simply explaining the notion of unreliable vs hard.)

3rd point is irrelevant.

not igoring your posts by any means, i just dont agree with them. oh btw, i been in solo games where i ended up on first page of the "watch" tab!! im hella good actually!!

Lots of things can have big effects on the game. big ults, key items.. the glitch is part of the game just like those other elements. if it isn't "imbalanced"(it isn't) then it stays. having a big impact isnt qualification for a change at all.

it isn't hard to execute? u couldnt even pull it off in ur page1 pubs. landing hooks isn't luck. comparing it to a crit is the most retarded shit ive ever heard.


3rd point is very relevant to ur other retarded comment chain where u bitch about the surface level issue of tongfu losing because of chen pudge rather than the underlying issue of them *allowing* it to work through their decision making giving the opportunity for it to work.

anything that has a big effect on the game also has a big investment, sending pudge back to base unnecessarily is not. cant think of any big ulti that has a cd under 2 minutes, or a big item that costs less than 5k. if u wanna argue that picking pudge is a big investment, i think thats more of an issue with hero balance than it is depending on a glitch. and also, if pudge gets some momentum he isnt at all weak.

my point wasnt to compare hooks to a crit, only to show that a unreliable result isnt the same as hard. the timing is easy to execute, hitting a hook is unreliable. its a skill you can practice, but no matter how much you practice its always going to be unreliable.

i wasnt lying when i said ive done it with people that ive never met before; http://dotabuff.com/matches/275846092, im stacknig with a friend whos playing in high bracket (b0bler), and even with that pudge i did it.

yeah, and tongfu could have ended the game in 10 min by smashing navi 20-0 with 2 1 roshes and megacreeps. saying what they could have done is pointless, as what decided the game was a glitch, which is really the issue at hand here.

im wrong because i think a glitch shouldnt be the deciding factor of a game worth $80k?

glitch != bad
tongfu wanting 8 roshans because theyre chinese and dont want to take risks lost them the game

http://youtu.be/OOWShzqF8Ww?t=2m20s

he literally spends the interview arguing my EXACT point?

i put "t=2m20s" intentionally as a response to "tongfu wanting 8 roshans because theyre chinese and dont want to take risks lost them the game".

youre inept as fuck dude. they gave them the opportunity for the strategy to work because they played passively rather than finishing the job when they were massively ahead. nothing he says disagrees with that or you could learn how the game works and make ur own opinions instead of pretending like u havea point hiding behind irrelevent interviews lmao

okay what makes the interview irrelevent

how is it RELEVANT to the point youre making when he spends the entire interview ARGUING AGAINST WHAT YOU PROPOSE?

if it isnt RELEVANT to ur point(because it argues the exact opposite of what u propose) that makes it IRRELEVANT

i dont agree with everything puppey said in his interview, i made it as a response to you for saying pudge+chen glitch wasnt the reason they managed to win the game.

dont make me repeat that a 3rd time please

"im taking what puppey said out of context in order to fit my argument even though his overall argument completely opposes my own"

he directly points out that it was the fountain hook as the only reason they were able to make a comeback in that game. the interviewer suggests that it was due to alchemist being able to farm up his items, where puppey responds that the only reason the game played out like that was because of the fountain hook.

i respect puppey as one of the best players in the world, so i know i can trust his judgement if it comes to an event like that. dont ask me to explain his merits, that would just be silly

don't get hooked.

Yeah its kinda lame but very effective! Its part of the game unfortunately. I cheered for Alliance but i admit that Navi's playstyle is much more entertaining!

I just loved the cosplay ogre magi fan moment. That was the first and only time the Ogre Magi was picked in the tournament and it happened in the finals. They both screamed MULTICAST everytime akke got one. TI3 was a blast!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr96j-UdQOM&

Don't have a clue whats going on in this game but the production was awesome!

S4 is a great phone.

great = / = big

yep. For the longest time I've been waiting for a high end small phone, at least with SD support.

s4 mini

just googled the s4 mini and seems it's pretty much awful. On the other hand the htc one mini is much better but lacks sd support, which is crucial for me.

I want my plus back.

i was going to recommend the htc one mini.... but its not that mini and you want a small phone.

Im getting the htc one mini in a couple of weeks.

I raise your $ 4 and say $ 5.

With a hand like that you should have just called.

What the fuck is a dota.

Dota is the name of the 17th canton in the province of San José in Costa Rica. The canton covers an area of 400.22 square kilometres (154.53 sq mi), and has a population of 6,940 (estimate as of 2003). The capital city of the canton is Santa María.

The canton is delineated by the Río Savegre on the south and southeast, the Río Naranjo on the west and the Cordillera de Talamanca on the north and northeast.

What are you, fucking stupid or something?

and a swedish tdm team won the lottery there or what again?

What the fuck is a canton. :@

Canton is a square charge placed in the upper dexter corner. It is classed by some heraldic writers as one of the honorable ordinaries; but, strictly speaking, it is a diminutive of the Quarter, being two-thirds the area of that ordinary. However, in the roll of Henry III the quarter appears in several coats which in later rolls are blazoned as cantons. The canton, like the quarter, appears in early armory, and is always shown with straight lines.

What are you, fucking stupid or something?

What the fuck is a Henry III. :@

Henry III may refer to:

Henry III, Duke of Bavaria (940–989)
Henry III, Holy Roman Emperor (1017–1056)
Henry the Lion, Henry III of Saxony, (1129–1195)
Henry III, Duke of Brabant (c. 1230 – 1261)
Henry III of England (1207–1272)
Henry III, Count of Champagne, (1244–1274), also King Henry I of Navarre
Henry III, Margrave of Meissen (1215–1288)
Henry III, Prince of Anhalt-Aschersleben (d. 1307)
Henry III, Duke of Glogów (1251/60 – 1309)
Henry III, Duke of Mecklenburg (c. 1337–1383)
Henry III of Castile (1379–1406)
Henry III of Nassau-Breda (1483–1538)
Henry III, Duke of Münsterberg-Oels (1542–1587)
Henry III of France (1551–1589), also King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania
Henry III of Navarre (1553–1610), later King Henry IV of France

What stupid are fucking you something?

So dota is Lithuania. Of course, I really was fucking something stupid are what. NOW I KNOW.

It was tough, but we got you there in the end buddy.

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