"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931)

nice

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways to not pick up women."

- Laim

Story of mouse*, a tragedy

mouse*: "sup"
women: "fuck off"


-end-

because you probably came across as a desperate lecherous drunk pervert, like you did on adroits stream :x I bet k1llsen's wife was impressed

don't be so mean

sorry, but I'm sure you're aware that that's how you generally came across (since you say that you have changed since then, in which case I'm genuinely happy for you :p)

I watched the vods i know what i did.

as long as he doesnt regret it in the morning i see no problem with it

More like Thomas Asshole Edison, amirite?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jjDPZHQKYo ?

Wasn't based solely on that, but yeah!

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Nikola Tesla was... the father... of western.... technology.

Drunk History <3

throw more money at the community to play tournaments and BUY THE DEMOGRAPHIC LIKE SHOOTMANIA DID LOL

:>

That sure worked with Shootmania! I wish QL was this popular today!

Worked with LoL, somehow, regrettably.

Lol was just a little disgrace and enormous money while

shootmania was an absolute joke with only a good deal of money

Good point, it even made me think about my approach to my training. Thanks for that.

The thing that MiniMia is doing with the Swedish championship is a really good idea i believe.
Having an national championship means that you can get a good media coverage and reach out to people in the country that may have forgotten about this amazing game, or maybe didn't even knew that it still was alive and kicking.
And then having legends and names you recognize like Fox, Tox, Z4muZ, Fazz and so on battle it out may bring old quakers to watch and maybe get into it again.

So are the 125fps cups as well. They have lit a small fire for "old" pros to come back and that in return have brought more people to watch.

Stuff like this is contributing to the community growing, and its really nice to see.

I already said it once,

QL has new comers, every day there are new players joining QL. The problem is that after few days, or few matches.. they quit forever.

Why?

Well, first of all, the fact that you enter a game and it seems to hard you don't understand anything.

Second, the fact that many of them end joining very hard server in their first matches and so they get insulted and raped.

Third, they see all the other players being so good , doing better movements (strafe).. etc.. and they have no clue on how to do them.
They end saying that they're are or super nerds or super cheaters.

The fact that, someone will never learn to strafe untill someone else will come and tell them (this goes also for all the other things, strafe is just an easy example).

What QL needs are good tutorials, expalined in the best way, not boring, and to be implemented in the site. Like the first time you join, put an advertisment like: "Hey did you ever notice other players running so fast? Guess why!" (and link to the tutorial).

There is a need to introduce new players , to don't lose them just after few matches.

That's it, QL might not have so many daily new comers, but if we lose most of them is useless.

We need to invest in them, making it easier for them to approach to the community and to the game and once we will not lose so many of them like we do now... then just wait, the daily ratio of new comers will grow up by itself (since the newcomers that will remain will soon invite other friends and so on).

That's my little plan. But let's say it's just my opinion, I hope it is right! :)

crash training course was awesome

That's not enough, I skipped it by mistake, didn't even notice it till late days.

And that probably happened to many others.

Just curious, did you mean that or were you being sarcastic?

I certainly don't think it was "awesome". I think that a lot of good ideas went into it, and the execution was decent, but in the end it ultimately failed at providing a "fun" experience.

Now granted, its ultimate goal was not to be fun, but rather to help identify a player's base skill level, which it IS pretty good at doing. But the secondary goal of being a good, fun, introductory experience was not great. Some players did enjoy it, others did not.

One major issue was that as Crash ramped up in skill, she either then dominated and beat up on the player or if verses a skilled opponent actually presented a somewhat fun and enjoyable challenge. But either way in the end, most people will say that their first introduction to an online social shooter shouldn't have been an offline AI.

Thoughts?

maybe have players just sit around to help people lol

There are hundreds available through suggestions made by this community, if you genuinely consider thoughts. How about sharing some of your thoughts? AMA for Quake Live.

the matches itself were strange, i had 3 accounts when it was part of ql, and twice i won easly, and once i got owned hard :-|

but movement tutorial was really good, eventho i knew it all :-) bringing it back together with some kind of weapon explanation AND final exam against crash[ would help new guys to jump over the skill wall.


just make a fucking disclaimer: play tutorial to the end, or cry in the corner in case of skipping :-)

That would be a pretty neat idea.

Re-Adding some early tests for movement and an optional versus AI fight.

Then making sure there is multiple tutorial availables with exams that once passed, give you a fency achievement or something to give some insensitive to complete it.

- Strafing Tutorial (Basic) (Instructions included)
- Strafing Challenge 1 (Small pads distance)
- Strafing Challenge 2 (Medium)
- Strafing Challenge 3 (Large)

- Overall Movement Tutorial (just like race, using multiple points and the final time received determine whether or not you pass
- Movement Challenge 1 (Simple path, low requirement)
- Movement Challenge 2 (Medium path, stricter requirement)
- Movement Challenge 3 (Medium path, very strict time)

- Timing tutorial (Introductions, items timing)
- Timing Tutorial 1 (Get X amount of yellow in Y time)
- Timing Tutorial 2 (Get X amount of YA, RA, MH in Y time)
- Timing Tutorial 3 (Get X amount of Medkit, PU, YA, RA, MH)

And so on, each category giving an achievement.

Also, making sure that these are visible to the players. Perhaps showing them in a side menu around the browser or simply mentioning them somewhere if the player do poorly in his games

as an idea what about giving free subs to selected players to become games masters who are required to teach new players the next level of basics through a ticket system?

Introduce them to real players then. Provide some sort of meeting ground (automatic system, forum, chat,...)
There were initiatives like that (like an irc channel noone found), but such a feature has to be actively advertised to new accounts. Like a big "feel lost?" button on the page after a match.

Imo it's the only thing that works for Quake. Getting advice from other players as a base for improvement.

Maybe throw money at it. Something like "get 5 positive reputations from new users for a 7 day premium token"

I actually really liked the crash match. It kind of sucked me in to the game, and it was enticing that at least I thought I didn't do badly. The default config was extremely dark for me. Then I got the GG award which I thought was neat.

I wish I could have played more bots and got more rewards before going online even.

I think the training should also be on online servers, like race mode, where you can't block other peoples movement, but you can watch them and chat with them. Maybe also a bit like rocket arena, where you can go around different arenas and modes without having to leave the server.

You could even enable some cheats in there, like some form of "wallhack", just so that people realise its competitively boring, but also so they get an idea of what a more advanced player is doing vs them. Things like minimal auto-aim can help players who want to focus on basic strategy first, and work on their aim later. Combined with some built in team talk, it could be a valuable training method. They could do the same thing by loading a practice training match and play bots instead of people, if they prefer that.

A training area on the site would be useful too, for training videos, duel commentary etc. Also a database about maps, where you can read about play styles, famous games that have been played on them, and interactive spawn visualisation etc.

The very first training can be kind of how it was, an opportunity to explain the very basics and to inform the player about the training servers, and get an idea of their skill level. It shouldn't be the bulk of the training, just an intro, I think people want to ask questions and have a human touch to it, but I'm sure they'd understand having to play a bot at first.

There could also be some high scores in the training mode, to keep it interesting for more advanced players. Because even though they may pass the training, they could be far away from getting an "A" grade, or being top of the A grades. Not 100% sure about that but Quake is a lot about the small things once you get past the basics, so something to illustrate that could be good.

Just direct newbies into a game mode much easier to master, like Insta Freeze tag, which requires the use of one weapon and requires teamplay to unfreeze m8s. If you can't shoot straight yet you can still amass points by thawing your m8s whilst learning the movement, learning the maps, making ingame friends and learning the website. Eventually they progress to other modes.

oh.. wait a sec............ you gotta pay for that mode. *facepalm*

Trial and error is not the scientific method, albeit a necessary part of it.

Not even that.

"Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses via predictions which can be derived from them. These steps must be repeatable, to guard against mistake or confusion in any particular experimenter."

Thank you.

Well yes it is, in the usual, practical sense (but obviously not in a stupid, mechanistic way). What you're referencing is the hypothetico-deductive method, which in mostly looks like

1. Propose
2. Test
3. Everything fails
4. Rethink
5. Back to step 1

That's why I think talking in an informal way, it is fitting to call part of it trial and error, but stress needs to be put on the fact, to be science, the process needs to yield understanding into the inner structure/mechanism of the thing studied.

Introduce mentorship, an experienced player have to play some games with a newcomer(requiring voice chat), the reward for completing 10 games gives you 10 days of PRO account. You rate the PRO, so you can get ranking on how good the newcomers experience was, this Will make you get more requests, and you get more days of PRO. Newcomers learn, and whiny cheap players get PRO subscription.

That's actually a pretty good idea.

yeah like this.

Muito bom. :)

Se procurares no youtube pods encontrar mtas lectures dele ;D
Mto bom mesmo!

Feynman was a genius in telling "non scientific people" how science works and what it's finding are. (also he was a great physicist ofcourse.)

You do know a lot more than jonesy on how science works.

<-- Feynman fan out.

Surely you must be joking, Mr.Weird!

I can see what you did there ;)

)))) But in all seriousness one of my heroes!

Well hmmmmm....
He's getting there but I feel like his "work" still lacks a certain idea.... "Thus new ideas are needed" (or smth was one of his favorite quotes from a book on (quantum-)physics).

But I feel like he's always thought about the "feynman diagrams" as describing nature accurately... but even in his own formulation he tells you that "All possible feynman diagrams can be seen in real life". Which to me means that they "all" origionate from the same physical concept.
But he never got to the core of that physical concept..... Perhaps because of his early death.... either way it is a shame that there have been so few "breakthroughs" in physics.

It feels to me as if people are thinking in the wrong direction ever since feynman did it right....
It's like.... Lorentz -> Einstein -> Feynman -> "history of physics" teachers... There hasn't been any major new idea.

I meant more in his role in making science seem accessible to lay-people.

In that he was one of the best of all time yes.

Feynman is one of my favorites as well.

Er in regards to modern physics, did they ever come to a consensus on black hole complementarity vs. firewalls? I need to look that up again.

that's a bit too recent physics for me hehe.

Well with Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity we have the benefit of 80 years of hindsight. String Theory I think would qualify as a 'major new idea' regardless of concerns over testability.

Its also possible that over arching theories are becoming more difficult to discover as Physics gets more refined and that we have already found all the low hanging fruit.

I'm a great believer of "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." - Leonardo da Vinci.
String theory isn't really a "simplification" so I'm sceptical on it (I would favor some other theory if it were more simple.

Also knowing more about the universe then ever we should be able to figure out how to combine "normal physics" with "quantum physics".
I do feel that Feynman diagrams hit a core essence of their equality.... But he would only be a "hero" of mine if he actually found that equality.

My main struggle is to put things into words.... to me it seems as if the "perception of the event doesn't fully describe the event" (idea upon the theory of relativity came into being) but nowadays physicists are so stuck up on explaining their perceptions (measurements) that they forget to describe the event.

I do find it an awesome field of study though... but like Feynman I'm only interrested in the concepts. (not in the physical jargon / how to write equations etc.)

Relativity or QM aren't really any 'simpler' that their predecessors though. Maybe they are more elegant, but not 'simpler'.

"My main struggle is to put things into words.... "

Not to be rude, but I most often find this happens me when my ideas aren't really well thought out to begin with.

"but like Feynman I'm only interrested in the concepts."

Eh, the difference is that Feynman had already mastered all the jargon/equations. He was a Putnam fellow for example.
"You cannot understand the physical world in any deep or satisfying way without using mathematical reasoning with facility." - Feynman

there was no real predecessor to QM.... and relativity is actually simpler than it's "predecessors".
That the idea of "time is suspect" is not natural to us. And that idea makes it seem as if it's a difficult reasoning.... but if you accept the same premisses as Einstein did (speed of light is constant for all observers) then the theory kind of follows automatically.


As to "my main struggle" sure my physics ideas are not yet completely thought out but I'm working on it :D
However my main problem will still be to put it into words..... I'm kind of a certified dyslectic.... so words don't really come easy to me.
In general it's fairly difficult for me to find the exact right words to use :(.


"but like Feynman I'm only interrested in the concepts."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUhkSEoku0 from around time 4:00 till around 6:00...

Sure you need to understand some mathematics to convey your idea's to others (in a testable way).... but it's not the "core of the idea".
Mathematics is hardly ever the "start of an idea" it's merely a tool to reason about it.

I call this the "copy other games" method

Problem: Quake duels (and all the real skill-based modes) are just unfun without perfect matchamking
Solution: copy Starcraft 2 (1v1) and many games (SC2 / LoL / DotA2) for the teamgames.
even if shuffle by skill was implemented perfectly it would fail because it's solving an impossible problem. It's easier to make 5 4v4 games fair when looking at 40 players rather than randomly assigning them to servers and then doing the team-shuffling.

Problem: Quake teamgames (not clan arena) are about communication and are unfun without a way to talk to teammates
Solution: copy Quake Wars. stop pretending it's 1995 and add integrated voicechat for the 99% of players who aren't magically on the same 3rd party voice comm server.

Problem: Communication is actually really really important in teamgaems and even with voice comm most players won't have all the relevant info
Solution: Copy the allied vision common in games with RTS UI. Automatically reveal information that your teammates know about like enemy positions or item timings which are impossible to communicate effectively with text chat and really tough even with voice comm
Can you imagine if dota clones or actual RTS games were played without being able to see what your allies see? because that's what Quake is like atm. the triangles above people's heads just aren't enough

Problem: Waiting around for a match is boring. This leads to everyone playing clan arena because they can start fragging immediately instead of idling in a server that nobody will ever join
Solution: copy Firefall / Scrolls / other games. Have matchmaking that actually works in the background while you're doing something else (eg. playing clan arena or a FFA that you don't mind quitting)

Problem: The player base is fragmented across a lot of different modes and mods so it's really hard to get a server filled
Solution: copy MMOs. when subcommunities are no longer active enough, merge different communities into 1 big community so that things are active
(eg. 8 players looking for CTF can play a 4v4. but if 3 are sitting in some silly modded server, 3 are sitting in some other silly modded server, and 2 are sitting in a normal CTF then nobody plays at all)

Problem: The only viable way to play Quake (not clan arena) teamgames atm is IRC pugs or getting really lucky with a server that happens to fill up.
Solution: copy every other game out there and add matchmaking because 99% of the player base doesn't even know what IRC is

thats how i solve mathematical equations ... badum tsss

how is that even a joke?

I think that the main problem is the LG. This is a weapon that first is OP and then it requires experience like no any other weapon -a beginner might actually aim occasionally well with RG and RL, but he will never be able to come close in LG confrontations to a good LG player who used and abused the weapon for many years. This was putting a lot of players aside, including myself -playing mostly t4 for years, because we only played on LAN and this was the only map that my friends liked, I couldn't escape the 22% LG aim that was like a curse for me for about 6 months, when I played QL online.

Another aspect is that most of the maps that are used in competition are heavy LG oriented. The real reason for LG being overpowered is the architecture of all maps and the way this fits with the mechanics of the game, not the precise damage points that everyone was arguing about during the many fixes. Changing it from 5-5-5 to 6-6-6 or 7-7-7 or 7-6-5 won't do the trick because the relative position of this weapon to items and the timing of the game. The way this weapon is functioning right now cripples gameplay and level design as well.

I think that no one will argue about the fact that in semi-open spaces or medium sized spaces where you can use the LG and have enough space to dodge rockets, this is the best choice for a weapon. And all competitive maps have at least 3 zones large enough for the LG to be the obvious choice in strategic points, close to MH and RA. Design wise, If the maps have more open spaces than the maps will automatically be heavy rail oriented, while if the maps will have more closed spaces, with more small corridors than the maps will be claustrophobic. Staying in the middle will just automatically move the entire gameplay into the LG zone. A good example is toxicity. Although the map do not have more than two or three open spaces where you can use clearly LG as the best weapon choice in standard confrontation procedures, the map is already claustrophobic, so there are already voices opposing the map as valid choice for tournaments. The problem with toxicity is that the map is already claustrophobic while LG is still OP, although to a smaller margin.

The problem is how to create maps less claustrophobic with reduced LG utility (which with standard presets is a paradox), for competitive arena and for fun as well.

I think the LG's range could be reduced by 10%

Played ra3 at my LAN. Had never played before. Net code felt better than QL, and lg range WAS shorter. Maybe 10 or 20%. I really liked it.

I think you just threw that out there to look smart.

I've actually always thought it should be reduced.

In lolwsw in one patch they decreased the LG range by about that amount: the weapon became entirely useless, making the game what it is right now (leave mouse1 pressed with plasma and rockets, gain elo).

That example shows hitscan weapons have to be fine tuned instead of doing major changes from what we already like. They become OP or UP quite easily, dominating the whole game at all situations or just disappearing, which is something that doesn't happen with rockets or with railgun.

or make it so that it doesn't do any dmg when the opponent is very close to you?!

fix the lg damage, and op problem is solved. this gun wasnt designed to nowadays levels of aim. 5[or even 4]-6-7 will force players to finally using it midrange, not all the fucking time.


sadly it wont happen, current damage system wont be changed

cooller never gave two shits about distance or damage, he just rocked your socks with his LG.

thats exactly the point of this, not going to happen, change :-)

atm if you have average dodge, and decent 35+ lg acc you use can deal more dmg with lg in close fight, than with rockets.

not sure, but quake shouldnt work like dat :D

My point was that he played like that even in 2003 :p

fucking hipster ,abusing stuff before its even implemented!

Lg is op online and reducing the dmg would be stupid because it's not op on lan so when someone goes to a lan event they have to relearn how much dmg they may have dealt to an opponent. Ok, maybe some players have started to show that it's op on lan too like evil but imo it's not op he just uses it well but for the sake of the argument lets say it was op on lan. Do you not remember the rapha domination era and the constant rocket op/+back whine? But evil has changed it up a bit but it would be stupid to reduce dmg for lg for everyone because one person is very good with it.

use fucking interpunction when you talk to me lowlife.

i was going too but i saw ur username so didnt bother

LG is fine. Right now all weapons have situations in which they are better than the others, which is good. That doesn't make them OP at those moments (the moba communities terms are so distorted nowadays)

What should be done is fixing related stuff, such as netcode (we all know weird is right but he exaggerates the magnitude of the problem) and hitbeep reliability (those moments when beeps go from 50% to 10%).

While they are at it, put some more satisfying hitbeeps, deeper.

LG is not OP on toxicity, but I agree that the situation varies from map to map.