ESR - New gaming mouse development (part 2)

<< Comment #2 @ 22:20 CDT, 4 October 2013 >>

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Xen_Crypt

cant wait !

<< Comment #3 @ 22:54 CDT, 4 October 2013 >>

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xero- '

Great update, although I wish you had some new pictures up ;D

<< Comment #17 @ 12:07 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #3

I will when I get some good ones (when I get a final version which isn't glossy - the glossy one didn't look that good imo).

<< Comment #839 @ 21:29 CDT, 15 June 2014 >>

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_agu - Reply to #3

dude everytime i see your nickname i remember of tom sawyer lawl :)

<< Comment #842 @ 09:53 CDT, 16 June 2014 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #839

;)))))))

<< Comment #4 @ 01:41 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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h8m3

are there any photos of the mousepad weave?

<< Comment #18 @ 12:34 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #4

Here it is compared with Puretrak Talent.
The stitched edges are only on the sample I got, the final one won't have that (I could do a very subtle stitch if people think it would be a benefit though).
http://i.imgur.com/4mVASB3.jpg

<< Comment #52 @ 07:23 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ja ja ve ve - Reply to #18

can u buy it seperately from the mouse?

(do the subtle edge stitch if u dont have to put more money into production IMO)

<< Comment #55 @ 08:01 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #52

can u buy it seperately from the mouse?

Yes

<< Comment #57 @ 08:23 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ja ja ve ve - Reply to #55

awesome.

another thing, dont get me wrong: i know its established that ur mouse is of pro-quality. but how about ur mousepad, i need some specs/reviews or sth

<< Comment #5 @ 02:39 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Venim

Curious how this would be coming from a g400/mx518 shape.

Also whens the website going to be up?

<< Comment #6 @ 02:45 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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petejones

oh yeah baby

<< Comment #7 @ 02:52 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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abso

january ?? my abyssus is dying ffs :/

<< Comment #8 @ 02:59 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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maza

win8? pricetag?

Edited by maza at 03:02 CDT, 5 October 2013

<< Comment #10 @ 06:02 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (87.8.64.105)

Could you PLEASE consider making the mousepad 50x50 instead of 50x40? I rest the whole arm on the pad with the elbow on one corner, and there isn't a single mousepad with a shape that i find comfortable, i'm currently using a setup with two close qcks to fix this.

Other than that, are side buttons still only on the left side? That's a big "fuck you" to left handed gamers, and considering that the shell is already symmetric, and side buttons on both sides are pretty much a standard for many brands, i don't see the reason for this.

Other that that, great job, i wish you all the luck possible and i swear one of these days i'm gonna register to this site, sorry for anonymous.

<< Comment #12 @ 11:35 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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mew - Reply to #10

I want it 60x60. Wonder if larger or custom sizes are possible in the future.

<< Comment #38 @ 07:48 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #10

Also, it HAS to be 6 mm thick.

<< Comment #39 @ 07:52 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #38

I was going to get one but with only 3mm it's not for me.

<< Comment #41 @ 07:55 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #39

I can relate to that. Thicker the better.

<< Comment #71 @ 04:08 CDT, 8 October 2013 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #41

then just get two.

<< Comment #74 @ 10:15 CDT, 8 October 2013 >>

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Freiya - Reply to #71

And decorate the walls with them?

<< Comment #129 @ 04:44 CDT, 12 October 2013 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #74

2 x 3 = 6mm

<< Comment #9 @ 06:02 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Seems good, everything seems just perfect about this mouse, the only thing i worry about is the teflon mouse feet, i mean the mouse is small, it's 68g, it's gonna slide super fast with teflon mouse feet, so this might be very hard to actually control that, maybe it's just personal, did you try the mouse in a game like cs ?

<< Comment #50 @ 07:05 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Lam ' - Reply to #9

Lighter mouse means not only less static friction (it's easier to start moving it) but also less force required to stop it where you want. Lower weight => lower momentum => easier control.

Which means that you don't need to add breaks to it, like high friction feet/pad.

<< Comment #11 @ 06:30 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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jamalz

Make sure to go through each and every post in the old thread with a .txt or .doc open and copy/paste the interesting posts into it and save it for reference later on. (even other forums)

You'll need this type of information to look back on so you can keep making smart decisions that will benefit the users of your products.

I mean some companies just say fuck it all and design worthless crap that their fans don't like.

The edge for you is that you make a product you yourself want and will cater to the fans specially getting feedback and adjusting.

Don't forget that.

<< Comment #397 @ 17:40 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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wem420 - Reply to #11

Gotta give ya respect, when your not trolling youve got great points

<< Comment #13 @ 11:36 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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zzin

feel like this should still be in the hardware forum

<< Comment #16 @ 12:05 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #13

Ahh you're right, I forgot about that :/
I'll ask a mod to move it.

<< Comment #14 @ 11:41 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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rBn

i would like to order two. will you accept paypal?

Also... no windows 8 support?

Edited by rBn at 11:43 CDT, 5 October 2013

<< Comment #15 @ 12:04 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #14

Yes I will accept paypal.
I forgot to add windows 8 in the specs, but yes it supports Windows 8.

<< Comment #19 @ 13:29 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (86.49.56.75) - Reply to #15

How about Linux and Mac? Can we get atleast a command line interface or something? Assuming the mouse is otherwise compatible and only the settings software thingy is Windows only. Maybe clarify that in the OP.
Also wanted to say that it seems you've done great job with this mouse and I can't wait for the release...
Btw will you sell spare mouse feet (for replacement when they get worn out)? Maybe an option to include some with the mouse when shipping?
Oh and how does the wheel button compare to WMO? Does it have more tactile feel?

<< Comment #22 @ 15:56 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #19

you may setup it once at windows pc and forget about it

<< Comment #26 @ 17:53 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #19

The software won't work on a mac or linux, but like h8m3 said, you can set it up on a windows pc. Mac/linux support is something I have to focus on later.

Yes there will be spare mouse feet in the box, and you can buy extra ones with it too.

Edited by ģbst at 17:54 CDT, 5 October 2013

<< Comment #33 @ 21:38 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #26

when you set it in windows will it be the same on another computer/linux

or is it 400dpi/500 or 1000hz by default

<< Comment #35 @ 03:40 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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zealot - Reply to #33

http://www.esreality.com/post/2487925/new-gam...pid2488221

<< Comment #902 @ 04:08 CDT, 18 July 2014 >>

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Impossible - Reply to #15

Hi I'd like to buy a Ninox Aurora mouse.

can you send me your paypal details and postage to cost to the UK.

<< Comment #20 @ 13:41 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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SIHdW3W

I'll be looking forward to buy this mouse just for the shake of purchasing a product developed by someone who's close to the quake community.

<< Comment #21 @ 14:31 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #20

I'm buying 2 no matter what, even if I get a free one. Also looking at that dusk mousepad for combo with my zowie, make my lod fucking normal.

Gotta support the team.

<< Comment #23 @ 16:02 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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naper

Not really an important question but what are you using to do the UI for the software? Something windows specific like WPF?

<< Comment #24 @ 16:08 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Freiya

So it will be ~10-15 g lighter than an MX300 / G1.

<< Comment #25 @ 16:44 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst

Heres some pics of another WMO mod I made, I made it really fast so its not perfect, but in the video you can see its not that hard to do. I just have to edit the vid together and I'll upload it. But the mouse is working fine, all buttons, scroll wheel and sensor. If I was going to actually use it as my main mouse I would have tried a lot harder and been a perfectionist, but I wanted to show you can get good results without having to try too hard.
http://i.imgur.com/4MWgCyG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ESWGunN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WUFCZYh.jpg

<< Comment #45 @ 16:15 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.61) - Reply to #25

Why is there two LEDs for the rear logo?

The CM Recon has issues with many LEDs on the board.

<< Comment #47 @ 04:47 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #45

Because the screw to hold the mouse together is in the way.

What issues does the Recon have? I haven't noticed any with the Aurora.

<< Comment #53 @ 07:47 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Petru - Reply to #47

recon gets more unstable polling rate with leds turned on

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ģbst - Reply to #53

Ok thanks. I pretty much always have the LEDs on the Aurora and I never noticed any problems with the polling rate.

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Petru - Reply to #56

http://www.esreality.com/post/2363237/re-new-...pid2363237

hz in this old enotus test seem kinda low, but not as bad as recon ~800.
I get 986-992, never seen 926-964 on my 5 mice.
Can you make some screenshots of mouserate?

<< Comment #59 @ 09:30 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.140) - Reply to #47

From what I remember the mouse has unstable Hz and malfunction speed because of the LEDs. The performance is better with the LEDs turned off.

You can get a better score with Enotus if you only swipe a few times. When you swipe a lot the malfunction speed will be lower on the test. It is closely tied to the Hz displayed on the program. At least from what I recall.

<< Comment #27 @ 18:17 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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hitsu

cant i just use my tesco ball mouse instead?

<< Comment #31 @ 21:23 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #27

Take its advice: every little helps =)

<< Comment #28 @ 18:31 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (213.112.133.87)

Does it fit with a IME 3.0 shell instead of WMO ?

<< Comment #30 @ 21:22 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #28

No, sorry.

<< Comment #29 @ 20:33 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (121.72.254.117)

how does the sensor fair on colored surfaces, as i see you have opted with the 3090, which happens to be the same as the G400s im using atm, and this mouse doesn't fair well on my puretrak talent white (skips alot).
i was hoping to get myself an artisan shinden/shindenkai which is that hybrid of hard top cloth pad, and also happens to be white (or orange if i get the kai), so im wondering if there will be tracking issues as this mouse uses the same sensor... or is the skipping caused by some other factor?

<< Comment #32 @ 21:26 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #29

I haven't tested it on a white pad, but from using it on white paper it seems to lower the LOD a lot, but I'll get a white pad to test. It really seems like if the G400s has problems then this will too though.

<< Comment #34 @ 22:27 CDT, 5 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (218.186.15.247)

Hi bst, I'm currently a pro-gamer playing CS:GO and I like your development so far. I have a few questions though:

- When will the shop be opened for the public to purchase an order?
- Coming from IME 3.0, will the aurora fit, or be even better in that aspect? (other than sensor)
- Will you release something a similar mice to the IME 3.0, or maybe the PCB inside, so that people could use it on the above-mentioned mice?

Nevertheless, I'll be looking forward to get my hands on one.

<< Comment #43 @ 12:49 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.60) - Reply to #34

You don't sound like a "Pro" player by the questions you ask. If you are a "Pro" you likely have a gear sponsor that doesn't let you use what you want.

If you are talking about size and shape compared to the Intellimouse -- not even close. The mouse is way smaller and completely different in shape.

From what I read BST isn't going to offer any PCBs specifically for the Intellimouse shells. The original PCB only can be put in the Wheel Mouse shell.

<< Comment #60 @ 09:54 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (218.186.15.247) - Reply to #43

Yes I do, but that is entirely a different topic and I'd rather not shed any details here.

I'm asking merely because the development (to me) has been quite interesting and I've tried other mice such as ec1 evo, deathadder and nothing comes close -- other than the sensor. (subjective, of course)

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eburbeck - Reply to #43

jeez. why so accusatory, and why do you even care? he's just asking questions, and he's not asking them to you...

<< Comment #62 @ 10:33 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #34

- Next few days I hope, just waiting on a couple of things. The site will lack some polish, like pretty pictures, but it needs to go up and I'll add better pics soon after.

- No, nothing like it I'd say. Except the scroll wheel is a bit further back just like the IE3 :D

- Not a PCB, but maybe a mouse (next year)

<< Comment #63 @ 11:29 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (218.186.15.247) - Reply to #62

I see. It seems like I'll have to try it when the pre-orders are available.

Great to hear about the last point, definitely will be looking forward to it! *rejoice*

<< Comment #36 @ 07:08 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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Nagato

Does it have side buttons? If not will you be releasing a version of it including side buttons?

Edited by Nagato at 07:10 CDT, 6 October 2013

<< Comment #37 @ 07:18 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #36

Aurora has side buttons

<< Comment #40 @ 07:53 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #37

On one side only though. This is a _right-handed_ mouse. Sry, lefties.

@bst: you might want to stress that in the OP.

Edited by nYshak at 07:53 CDT, 6 October 2013

<< Comment #42 @ 11:22 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (212.85.184.5)

weeeeehaw!! :)

<< Comment #44 @ 14:02 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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megaman3

does it come with a transformers sticker

<< Comment #645 @ 13:42 CST, 29 January 2014 >>

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eburbeck - Reply to #44

built into the shell, not optional

<< Comment #46 @ 19:22 CDT, 6 October 2013 >>

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pet_cia_mole

Price
44.99 USD

How much for shipping to US?

What will be the shipping options?

<< Comment #48 @ 05:58 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #46

The shipping charges are the only thing holding me back from opening pre-orders at the moment. I have prices and options filling up my brain, lol :/

Its kind of complicated to explain but I have two fulfilment centres competing with each other. Both give a different kind of service.

One that I know all about now:
http://www.delamode.co.uk/

They are only based in the UK (about 15 minutes drive from me), so all the mice have to be sent from there (it doesn't mean returns have to go back there though). Its a flat rate of 6 GBP / 7 EUR / 9 USD (that means for any amount of items, the price will be the same).

The service is Royal Mail signed for:
In the UK: "Aims to deliver next working day including Saturdays".
EU: "Aims to deliver in 5 days"

International (including USA): "Aims to deliver in 5 days"
Because Ninox Ltd. isn't registered for UK sales tax (it doesn't need to be until it reaches about 70,000 turnover), it means that people in other countries would have to pay their tax when the mouse enters their country. Because of this, I will discount international sales back to excluding tax prices. Which makes the price of the mouse $39.99. If you're lucky you won't have to pay any tax, and will get it for the cheap price, but I just don't want the unlucky ones to be out of pocket.

I tested this service with the beta testers - it worked fine and as advertised. The only issue was that delivery took some time for Eastern European countries, iirc h8m3 (in Russia) took about 2-3 weeks to get his mouse. But in these cases I don't think using a courier like UPS/Fedex etc will make much difference, its just the way it is (actually we tested it and it didn't, but h8m3 might be able to remind me). Also most couriers won't even deliver to Russia :(

The other fulfillment centre has more of an international network:
http://www.tollgroup.com/
But in all honesty I'm not sure about it, since the prices and times for delivery aren't exactly terrible by sending from the UK. I have to consider the headaches it would cause to have stock in multiple locations (its probably better for in the future...). I'm just waiting for an email from them today. These are about 45 minutes drive from me.

I didn't want to use amazon in the end. Their postage service is the same, and I wanted a company which is near who I can talk to any time and visit them easily if needed, and they are simply more flexible.

I think the prices will stay as I just wrote, but I just wanted to explain the final process I'm going through at the moment and how it works. Hope it helps and isn't too confusing!

Edited by ģbst at 05:59 CDT, 7 October 2013

<< Comment #65 @ 17:57 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (86.159.185.201) - Reply to #48

So cost is Ŗ30 plus Ŗ6 delivery right?
Cheaper than i was expecting, guess the big companies just price gouge a massive amount nowadays.

<< Comment #66 @ 18:09 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #48

I didn't want to use amazon in the end. Their postage service is the same, and I wanted a company which is near who I can talk to any time and visit them easily if needed, and they are simply more flexible.

Isn't that losing a ton of potential sales based on a non-economical factor?

<< Comment #73 @ 09:04 CDT, 8 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #66

I can still use Amazon marketplace (when I have stock), I'm just talking about their fulfilment (warehouse pick and pack) service.

<< Comment #67 @ 19:04 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #48

Well, delivery to Russia isn't any of those services fault, it's pure retardness of russian customs and national post operator aka Russian Post which is the local operator for Royal Mail. Some services like parcelforce use local national EMS service which is usually faster than Russian Post, but overall can be delayed at customs too. Other couriers like Fedex/DHL/UPS got their own local service and own customs queues which usually makes them the fastest and the most stable but at the same time the most expensive way.
Luckily it's getting better lately than it was in 1st half of the year.
Was at least 1 month for all Russian Post items due to customs jam, EMS was suffering nearly like that aswell, the only way to receive anything fast was fedex/dhl/ups. Btw I received your mouse via fedex in 5 days so it helped ;p
But currently local EMS(only parcelforce for UK i guess) delivery also takes maximum 1 week, recently got 1 international EMS order in 4 or 5 days, same as Fedex. Usual Royal->Russian post is also better than it was, though still rather slow - around 2-3 weeks, but it has never been any faster ;d Still it would be nice if you just make several options like royal mail and parcelforce so some people have a choice, lost my irc logs but if I remember right you have both these options available there.

<< Comment #49 @ 06:38 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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ģbst

I made another WMAurora earlier today >:)
The last one I started to mess around with and I went a bit too far, I didn't record it quite as well as I thought I could, and also I wanted to make the process for the scroll wheel easier.

This time I used a DVD case, the spine is exactly the right width to lock into place with some double sided tape or superglue. Its really well locked in. In the video I scroll it violently and shake the mouse around (without its top cover on) and it stays put, and clicks fine every time. Later on I'll record some QL games with it.

So I'm really confident, if you can get a dremel (rotary tool) with the bullet shaped attachment, and you have a spare DVD case, this mod will take you hardly any time at all and will be as stable as a "real" mouse. Also you don't have to mod the PCB at all, so if you get bored you can put it back into the Aurora shell any time.

The only thing is, just be careful you don't dremel your fingers O_O

<< Comment #51 @ 07:16 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Lam '

And where to go for the QL-branded modification?

27%

<< Comment #54 @ 08:00 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #51

with the zowie CL improvements bst posted, such as quake quotes on the box.

<< Comment #140 @ 05:14 CDT, 14 October 2013 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #54

i want a quake quote on the mouse itself

<< Comment #61 @ 10:21 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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goodbye_world

Can no one make a decent mouse with two buttons on both sides? SteelSeries Sensei supporters, stop before you start. Shit mouse.

<< Comment #68 @ 19:49 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #61

FK? :P

<< Comment #114 @ 17:32 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #68

The FK's side buttons are not both functional. You are forced to use either one side or the other, and when you flip them the two middle buttons get flipped as well.

The FK also has other flaws. The mouse is too thin for palm grip and the sensor has faulty tracking when moved slowly.

Edited by MaximilianKohler at 17:33 CDT, 11 October 2013

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kevz - Reply to #114

uh, its a good thing only 1 side at a time works. it would be annoying as fuck if all buttons worked at the same time...

the fact that its a small mouse isnt a flaw, thats just personal preference. it also tracks perfectly on my qck+. i did hear someone say it skipped when on 60cm/360 and using large sweeps, but who the fuck plays like that anyway?

so technically it has no flaws for 99% of the gamers; all comes down to do you like the grip or not :)

<< Comment #173 @ 22:36 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #120

First of all, only being able to use 2 buttons at once is not seen as a good thing for everyone. Many people only want a 3 button mouse, but more of us would never buy a mouse with less than 5 buttons. Then there's the other extreme of those mmo mice with a whole keypad on the mouse, which I would also probably never buy.

Secondly, the point was that you cannot functionally switch to the other side even if you wanted, as the switch also switches the functionality of the two middle buttons.

Also, I didn't mention all the flaws in the FK, there are others like possible (depending where a person naturally grips the mouse) weight imbalance towards the back when used in fingertip grip. "Pixel walk" (inaccuracy) when moved slowly in the desktop environment.

And the mouse is not just "a smaller mouse". There are plenty of small mice that are still able to be palm gripped even by people with large hands. It's the particular contours of the mouse.

The WMO is a small mouse. The FK is significantly thinner than even the WMO.

<< Comment #182 @ 05:12 CDT, 17 October 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #173

First of all, only being able to use 2 buttons at once is not seen as a good thing for everyone. Many people only want a 3 button mouse, but more of us would never buy a mouse with less than 5 buttons. Then there's the other extreme of those mmo mice with a whole keypad on the mouse, which I would also probably never buy.

You have the capability to press the right mouse buttons with your pinky, while aiming in battle? Impressive :>

Secondly, the point was that you cannot functionally switch to the other side even if you wanted, as the switch also switches the functionality of the two middle buttons.

Is considered a feature, not a problem, to most.

Also, I didn't mention all the flaws in the FK, there are others like possible (depending where a person naturally grips the mouse) weight imbalance towards the back when used in fingertip grip. "Pixel walk" (inaccuracy) when moved slowly in the desktop environment.

Havent had this experience myself, who knows I could just be lucky.

And the mouse is not just "a smaller mouse". There are plenty of small mice that are still able to be palm gripped even by people with large hands. It's the particular contours of the mouse.

The WMO is a small mouse. The FK is significantly thinner than even the WMO.

Well, if you buy this mouse under the premise that you are able to palm grip it perfectly like a WMO, I think you might of made a mistake. It's measurements clearly are different, and its meant to be fingertip/claw gripped I believe (unless very small hands, then palm). For those with large hands I can agree to not buying this mouse; The fact that its fairly slim would mean you would have to cup the mouse (like touching your thumb and pinky and holding that for as long as you are gaming), so playing like this with somewhat of a deathgrip means hand cramps. I'm still considering switching to an EC2 Evo, or similar.

So again, Maybe I am lucky, but I have no technical issues with this mouse. Its made for the hardcore gamer and does what its supposed to do. I like it and can see why it would be popular.
Im not trying to sell this mouse or anything btw, just curious as to why people have these issues and I dont :P

<< Comment #189 @ 03:19 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #182

>You have the capability to press the right mouse buttons with your pinky, while aiming in battle?

I use my ring finger to squeeze the button.

<< Comment #192 @ 04:05 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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Lam ' - Reply to #189

Maybe kevz mouses like me, that is thumb+pinky grip with index/middle/ring on mouse buttons. Pinky buttons are useless for me.

Anyways, the FK sucks because of 1. hard buttons/switches and 2. wide back that prevents pure fingertip grip. It's a mouse for claw grippers.

<< Comment #194 @ 06:11 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #192

middle finger on the right mouse button, ringfinger on the edge/side of the mouse, pinky for stability on the rightside. i literally cannot touch the right side buttons unless i wanna let go of the mouse to do so :D

<< Comment #64 @ 12:05 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Raist

meh want to preorder one...

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<< Comment #69 @ 23:50 CDT, 7 October 2013 >>

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Torzelan

[Sensor] Location and orientation: Exact centre

Does that mean that it's not as far up (close to the cord) as on the WMO? :( If it isn't (like LITERALLY EVERY modern otherwise good mouse alsdhfgladgh) I assume the WMO case mod would solve that, so I hope it's as easy as you say and look forward to the video \:D/

<< Comment #70 @ 01:50 CDT, 8 October 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #69

wmo got a short but high front which kinda lets you put the pcb closer to the cord

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ģbst - Reply to #69

I assume the WMO case mod would solve that

This is where it ends up:
http://i.imgur.com/5EyRtvG.jpg

<< Comment #75 @ 11:21 CDT, 8 October 2013 >>

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aodrus

super WMO!!

<< Comment #76 @ 11:45 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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onscreen

Not able to do 450dpi?

afaik 450dpi is minimum needed to not skip pixels at 1920 res (majority of peoples desktops)?

<< Comment #77 @ 14:33 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #76

Thats not how DPI works, I'll explain for you:

The sensor reads an amount of counts per inch, for example 400, that then translates to 400 pixels (dots) per inch on the monitor. So at 400 DPI all it means is this: 1920 / 400 = 4.8 inches to get from one side of the screen to the other. By using a higer DPI, eg 800, it just makes that distance smaller (2.4 inches).

Mice have more chance to "skip" pixels at higher DPI because they have to get so many more counts from an inch, its easier to make a mistake - when it reads the surface it can think that you have moved the mouse in a direction which you didn't (people call it jitter or ripple).

<< Comment #92 @ 19:47 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.155) - Reply to #76

You "skip" pixels if you have a high sensitivity in-game.

<< Comment #78 @ 16:02 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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Daddy_

pretty cheap. can i get one sent to romania?

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ģbst - Reply to #78

Yes.

<< Comment #80 @ 16:10 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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ģbst

I'm going to do a special bundle deal... mouse mat and mouse for Ŗ34.99.

I'll put the specs for the mat up soon. The website is really close to being finished now, I've got everything I needed to finish it.

<< Comment #81 @ 16:15 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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naper - Reply to #80

Awesome, can't wait to order! What are the dimensions for the mouse mat?

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ģbst - Reply to #81

600 (wide) x 500 x 4mm. I changed it since people wanted a larger size. The thickness I couldn't decide on... 4mm seems like it should be alright for most, its not too far one way or the other.
The price is Ŗ9.99 if bought on its own.

Edited by ģbst at 16:34 CDT, 10 October 2013

<< Comment #83 @ 16:56 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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naper - Reply to #82

Whoa sounds great, I was worried they would be smaller.

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dogja - Reply to #82

so thats like 23 in x 20 in?

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ģbst - Reply to #88

Yes

<< Comment #93 @ 20:16 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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dogja - Reply to #90

holy shit dude

<< Comment #91 @ 19:47 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.155) - Reply to #82

That is one large mouse pad. I don't think I have room for that...

<< Comment #149 @ 11:37 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #91

Well... that's a shame.

<< Comment #95 @ 01:53 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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maza - Reply to #82

Looks cool. 600x500 is too much though, I think. Make it closer to 500x400 and it's gonna fit on somebodys table and still be large enough =) I like that it's large but that might be a little too much.

<< Comment #96 @ 02:10 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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ashy - Reply to #95

don't ask this please, if it's too big you can cut it with scissors but not viceversa, it's about time someone makes a huge pad

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<< Comment #99 @ 03:16 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #95

While finishing the website I was thinking of calling the mouse mat "Atmos" and then using the time of day thing to denote the colour. The reason why is because its just easier to organise as a product.

Also thinking of getting rid of the orange and blue version and instead having the colours like this:
Noon - White
Dusk - Dark red
Night - Black

And sizes:
Standard: 450x350x4mm
XL: 600x500x4mm

= 6 SKUs, compared to 4 previously, so not too bad.

So for example a full name would be:
Ninox Atmos Dusk XL

Does it sound ok to everyone? I think I'm narrowing it down now.

The mat factory had some problems earlier in the week with a typhoon, so I've had to wait longer :( They sent me some new materials to try yesterday though, I'll test them with the sensor and choose the best one. If none are any good I'll go with the original one though.

<< Comment #101 @ 03:58 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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Petru - Reply to #99

Standart should be 450x400
350 is not enough for some players.

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azxx - Reply to #101

yes, this, please.

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zealot - Reply to #101

the qck heavy is 450 x 400 x 6 mm and too big for my desk and taste, while the qck mass is a bit too small at 285 x 320 x 6 mm. the other qcks are too flat at 2 mm each.

i'd actually want something with 400x350x4 as a mid-sized pad ;)

Edited by zealot at 12:17 CDT, 11 October 2013

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jamalz - Reply to #99

I like the idea of having 1 name and then subsection names just for color purposes.

This is good because usually a completely differently named mousepad should have a unique feel. But since they all have the same feel, just have them under 1 official line name.

The orange and blue mousepads and names were kind of cool but I don't know how many gamers would get them. For me I'd get a black and red. Black for aurora combo, and red for zowie. I've heard white pads have some problems, so I never buy white/other colors.

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Ffleri - Reply to #99

I'd name them Small and Standard (or even Super Small and Small), just so those shitty brands see the irony how you do real mousepads. :D
just jking

<< Comment #193 @ 04:12 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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Lam ' - Reply to #151

That's actually what he should do. That's what Samsung does with Galaxy S Mini (4,3" display) for example :)

<< Comment #84 @ 17:57 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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SLY_ - Reply to #80

I just bought a FK, but I'll buy this too! :)))

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jamalz - Reply to #80

For the website, you better had looked around at all the other gaming/peripheral websites.

You don't need to copy, but it's a good idea to take what works and then adjust it to your own website.

I tried to buy a japanese glass mousepad (supposedly better than icemat) but the website was so fucking terrible that I didn't trust it.

I mean if the mousepad was legit and extremely baller, I would never know because the site looked too cheap and scared me off.

Also some guy posted something about sponsoring EVIL since he doesn't have a sponsor and sending him your mouse for dreamhack winter. Just an idea, Quake doesn't get much exposure... but who knows. Evil could be a solid #1 to take that tournament, especially with bloodrun in the map pool.

Sk has rapha
zowie has cooller
Ninox has Evil.

Next mouse could be EVIL signature design, all for cheap. Just a couple flights for quake events (which there are next to none)

But then you have a solid champion already branded with your mouse.

Edited by jamalz at 18:26 CDT, 10 October 2013

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Anonymous (202.156.11.254) - Reply to #86

Artisan? I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to say it but it's very reliable. The pads they created are top-notch and I can only imagine it'll get better in the next generation.

<< Comment #102 @ 06:17 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #98

No, it was another company. However, I don't trust artisan glass hybrid pads. If you like bend them, then the glass shit falls off, seems really fishy.

Artisan cloth pads are really good though.

<< Comment #115 @ 17:42 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #102

Artisan cloth pads are very expensive. I've never used one but from the large amount of other "gaming" mousepads I've used I highly doubt that they're any better than an $8 supermat http://www.amazon.com/HandStands-Super-Mouse-...B0009JCUX2

From my experience, all (99%) "gaming" mousepads over $9 are a massive rip off. Pads selling at $25+ are a fcking joke.

Edited by MaximilianKohler at 17:43 CDT, 11 October 2013

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jamalz - Reply to #115

I've owned like 12 mousepads, all different feel and tracking styles.

It does matter (for me) and makes a huge difference.

I am using a black Artisan hien with my g400 which is very awesome. Used a supermat way back in the day along with an allsop raindrop.

They are ok.

Edited by jamalz at 18:35 CDT, 11 October 2013

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illwill_ - Reply to #121

what thickness on the black hien? and is it durable?

<< Comment #124 @ 21:09 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #123

Thicker than my QCK+ and is comfortable to rest my arm on.

It isn't really durable, if you make it dirty then it's fucked, don't spill shit on it. And don't use any abrasive cleaner/wiper on it. It will fuck up.

The tracking is really nice though.

<< Comment #127 @ 22:17 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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illwill_ - Reply to #124

sorry i meant hardness, what do you have on your specific pad, i.e. hard, soft, mid. i believe there are different versions.

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jamalz - Reply to #127

hard/mid/soft only denotes to the rubber backing/cushion under the actual top texture. The top layer is always the same texture and feel for the Hien.

I have hard and soft Hiens. Hard isn't even really hard, there is some give when you press down but feels firm.

Soft is really squishy but also not a bad feeling.

<< Comment #104 @ 07:24 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #80

Will definitely buy a bundle! :)

<< Comment #227 @ 07:39 CDT, 31 October 2013 >>

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gisele - Reply to #80

Does the mousepad come with a Cooller imprint?

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FlashSoul - Reply to #227

Yes! I want a mousepad like this
http://www.esreality.com/post/2370115/post-ur...pid2413686

<< Comment #240 @ 00:24 CDT, 1 November 2013 >>

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gisele - Reply to #239

Me too! A super mat with that picture. Priceless. :D

<< Comment #85 @ 18:06 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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Wow it's crazy that you put those cheap prize for suchs super quality stuff, it's easily the double with steelseries, razer etc and the quality is just not that good, what's the secret, you're just taking a very small earnings for that :3 ?

Anyway, you really deserve respect for all the process of this build, i will buy one for sure and i hope the sell are gonna be good.

<< Comment #87 @ 18:48 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #85

No secret, I just don't have any big expenses like staff and rent.

Also if I make the mouse Ŗ50 or something, then it works out that I lose a lot of potential customers, so I think its better to price it lower and sell more, and get more interest and happier customers as a result.

<< Comment #116 @ 17:46 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #87

Wow man. I think you absolutely have the right idea. Your methods of listening to what the community wants and your business ideals and practices have made me a huge fan! Keep up the great work!

<< Comment #89 @ 19:04 CDT, 10 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.155) - Reply to #85

Razer and Steel Series do a lot of R&D for their products. They heavily market their brand and products by sponsoring events, players and teams. All of this costs a lot of money. So they have to charge higher prices. If they didn't charge you that price there wouldn't be as many tournaments. Since BST doesn't do this and doesn't have a massive staff (like established companies) he can charge less.

I always hear Razer has bad build quality, but I have not experience any such thing. Same for Steel Series. Most mice companies have about the same quality products overall. They tend to use the same factories and the same components.

<< Comment #94 @ 00:36 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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Noosh - Reply to #89

Zowie doesn't seem to do as much marketing at all but still charge 60 euros plus for the FK...

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end0rphine - Reply to #94

I'm guessing they just don't have the same economies of scale as steelseries, logitech and Razer. They're pretty small scale I think, with availability usually pretty bad (as was the case for their FK for awhile after it was released).

<< Comment #100 @ 03:50 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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gienon - Reply to #94

That's because the price of an item is based on what the customers are willing and able to pay, not what the company's costs are + some fixed markup.

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Noosh - Reply to #100

Don't get me wrong I still have a Zowie FK (and using it) that I payed 67 euros around launch...

But still I found that expensive for something that probably costs 15-20euros to make.

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gienon - Reply to #112

I know it seems a bit dicky of them to have so much profit on one sale, but that is because the common view of business is upside down, namely that a company takes some more or less rigidly priced inputs, transforms them and charges an exorbitant price.

What I think is the proper way of understanding it is that Zowie delivered you a product which you valued at more than 67$ but only took 15-20 dollars' worth of labour and capital. Of course that implies that there's much wiggle room for guys like bst and Ninox to come in and, first of all, bid away resources from Zowie by offering more for inputs and also offer a similarly good product (in the view of the consumer) and charge a bit less. As a guy potentially on the lookout for a mouse, I am very happy.

Edited by gienon at 09:20 CDT, 12 October 2013

<< Comment #105 @ 07:34 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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random99

If only there was version without side buttons...

<< Comment #106 @ 07:46 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #105

they don't get into your way while holding it since they are small and placed high

Edited by h8m3 at 07:47 CDT, 11 October 2013

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no_il - Reply to #106

What about if your left handed?

Also, does the mouse feel larger or the same size as a logitech g100s/G1/mx300 (g100s is actually narrower in the front)? Also how stiff exactly are the switches? Which mouse would you compare them to?

<< Comment #117 @ 17:49 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #105

The majority of us won't buy a mouse without side buttons. That's why he chose to release the version with side buttons first, and next he will release the Velocity which has no side buttons.

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petejones - Reply to #105

just put it in a WMO, apparently its easily done without any tools everyone doesn't have.

<< Comment #107 @ 08:02 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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doped

look like the shape of an old logitech ball mouse i have with a compaq brand. Still, i would rather buy this when my mx500 dies, than any other big business.

<< Comment #110 @ 12:25 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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lemming#13

Will you add the info that this is a right-handed mouse only to the OP?

The mouse looks ambidextrous, so someone looking at it might get the wrong idea, thinking it has thumb buttons on either side.

<< Comment #111 @ 14:26 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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nemecel

Ok so I own a WMO and I want to improve it... in what ways specifically do I benefit from the mod?

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BalkanFM - Reply to #111

cant wait to see a thread from you complaining how you ruined both mice trying to to mod

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nemecel - Reply to #131

I have a broken WMO so im using that one.

<< Comment #113 @ 16:06 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.157)

The only benefits are increased malfunction speed and ease of changing polling rate.

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grume - Reply to #113

better malfunction/control speed, better switches, better wheel, better cord, higher dpi.

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nemecel - Reply to #122

If I play at 1280x960 (I like a 4:3 aspect ratio) what is the ideal windows sens (in the drivers) or any other thing I have to change in the mouse drivers? Ive never used drivers with WMO (the default windows ones) and do I really benefit from playing higher than 400 dpi?
Also, is it stable at 1000hz? thats one of the main reasons for the mod. The WMO internals are too old for 1000hz without risking it.

Edited by nemecel at 05:24 CDT, 12 October 2013

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grume - Reply to #130

it's probably more stable at 1000hz than the WMO is, but the difference between 500hz and 1000hz is 1ms and almost unnoticeable. the ideal windows sens is default.

the biggest difference is the sensor. unless your sensitivity/accel is very high, you're probably getting negative acceleration on the WMO because the control speed is so low. if you do have a very high sens then you start needing more than 400 DPI (you can test it here http://www.funender.com/quake/mouse/index.html)

the other reason i'd upgrade is that the WMO doesn't have omron switches. to me the WMO has a stiffer, less tactile feel and probably a measurable click delay.

Edited by grume at 07:45 CDT, 12 October 2013

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nemecel - Reply to #133

Im using 3.4 and 0.25 accel, I use the slider mouse sens thing on the 6th position in the driver, I dont know if this affects QL sens or not, I just use it because the default position is too slow for windows (for moving the cursor around that is)

edit: Ok I just realized 6th position is windows default. So what do I put in "windows multiplier?"

if 1, then I get a ver low dpi, like 200something, which I guess it means 400dpi is best for me ?

Edited by nemecel at 08:07 CDT, 12 October 2013

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no_il - Reply to #134

With that sens and mid-high accel there is no way you'll hit the malfunctioning speed. while the Aurora looks like a great mouse, the Avago A3090 sensor it uses doesn't have any advantages over the MLT04 sensor in your WMO that will benefit you except not needing to overclock the usb port manually. While both sensors are great, I've always felt that the MLT04 is slightly more precise and has lower levels of angle snapping/prediction (which isn't necessarily a flaw, more a matter of preference) and I think that together with its shape its been so highly regraded for this long. So unless your problem is specifically the malfunctioning speed, it's debatable which is actually the better sensor.

Unfortunately and quite surprisingly, optical sensor technology haven't really evolved at all over the past 10 years. There are gaming mice which are literally 10 years old that are just as precise and even reach the same max tracking speeds as the best optical gaming sensors on the market ATM, Logitech mx300 for example. While the Aurora looks like it's going to be a great mouse in its own right, I just don't think its worth it as a WMO upgrade unless you use extremely low sensitivity (50cm/360+) and are constantly hitting the malfunctioning speed.

Edited by no_il at 02:20 CDT, 14 October 2013

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petejones - Reply to #138

do you have any kind of proof that the MLT04 is more precise? I've always found it quite squirrely myself compared to Avago sensors (though none so far have had the lack of flaws that the MLT04 does).

Also, attempting to presume whether or not a person can hit max tracking speed based solely on sensitivity and accel will usually be wrong anyway. Players hand speed can vary even with the same sens/accel (though granted not by much). I have high sens/accel myself, but I can still quite easily hit the max tracking speed. 1.5 m/s is not fast, or sufficient either way.

AND don't forget that bst made a point about a sensors responsiveness being based on more than just its model name. The Aurora's sensor may very well be more precise than the same sensor in other mice.

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #141

The MLT is using its hardware limits. The 3090 chooses to use a lot of software to create more DPI and to add angle snapping. What do you think will be more precise, the hardware way or the software way? We know for the best sensor response you stick to the hardware capabilities. Also the MLT feels smoother because it has higher frames than the 3090.

I would use the MLT all the time if it could do at least 2 times the malfunction speed. At least I can still use it because the sensor will still track when you hit the maximum, the 3090 does not do this.

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petejones - Reply to #168

uhhh... i'd like some sources on that info...

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nemecel - Reply to #138

I flick a lot, quick fast flicks for moving not only shotting. Sometimes i've seen some weird behaviour... like I flick to the left and it keeps turning to the left for a while, really weird. I switched to another WMO and i havent seen this problem again for a while tho.

<< Comment #125 @ 21:25 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (92.12.159.218)

Can you enable and disable prediction in the mouse through software?
Some players like it on including myself.
I am not sure if you have mentioned this in mega thread.

<< Comment #126 @ 22:17 CDT, 11 October 2013 >>

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pvh - Reply to #125

The 4000dpi SROM for the 3090 sensor apparenty doesn't have this as an option, it is always off.

See this link from the old thread
http://esreality.com/post/2173191/new-gaming-...pid2419350

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no_il - Reply to #125

It's the only reason I'm not rushing to buy one immediately myself, although admittedly, we are in the minority here (except all the kinzu v1 users who hit insane LG but most of them aren't even aware of angle snapping).

Personally I find this a big let-down as originally it was supposed to be a feature that could be enabled/disabled through the drivers before the SROM was changed.

Edited by no_il at 02:27 CDT, 14 October 2013

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acid_reptile - Reply to #139

Yes would have liked the prediction ON/OFF version too. Was dissapointed hearing this feature was not possible anymore. There are enough prediction OFF (Avago 3090) mice out there.

<< Comment #136 @ 14:29 CDT, 12 October 2013 >>

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TheGood

I guess they will all ship from England, do you have any approxmate shipping costs, considering I'm from Estonia?

Edit:
Just read through the comments =)
Anyways, if you have any info on the approx. shipping fees to "places" editing that to the main post would be nice.

Edited by TheGood at 14:55 CDT, 12 October 2013

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ģbst - Reply to #136

Its Ŗ6 (7 euro) flat fee for normal tracked mail (to any country). I can do courier if you prefer but its Ŗ20 (24 euro) to Estonia.

Edited by ģbst at 09:43 CDT, 15 October 2013

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TheGood - Reply to #147

Thanks for the info, but is the fee still flat if I order 2 or more mice?
And also about the mousepad, will there be a bundle with the mouse, I'm looking for a new single color mat and thought why not yours.

<< Comment #218 @ 21:07 CDT, 29 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #160

Sorry I missed your post. Yeah, the fee is always flat, doesn't matter how many you order.

There will be a bundle of a mouse and a pad, so the pad will get a discount if you buy it with the mouse.

<< Comment #137 @ 14:36 CDT, 12 October 2013 >>

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wills0r

How difficult would it be to acquire a board that is based off of the Wingman/Mouseman95s pc board? That combines the buttons/switches and a good sensor onto a single board?

<< Comment #145 @ 09:33 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #137

It'd be pretty difficult, its not something I can do.

You could maybe find someone who would do it, but it would cost quite a lot (few hundred dollars). If you can get the MCU from a mouse, you can resolder it back onto any PCB you like, as long as you get the circuit the same it should work. All the other components could be new, if you wanted. If you choose a simple PCB maybe it wouldn't be so difficult (but it would still be expensive for a mouse). I've never done it before but it should work in theory.

<< Comment #143 @ 08:46 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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Tobbe

bst perhaps you should add more sensor info in 1st post. (good for part2 newcomers or casuals).

like
prediction/angle snap off
M/s (perfect/malf)
Hz max default
(not laser)

Edited by Tobbe at 02:46 CDT, 16 October 2013

<< Comment #148 @ 10:45 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #143

Ok, done.

<< Comment #144 @ 09:19 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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AdoreSP

Are we there yet? make it available quick, since there is still salary money, wife wants to go shopping soon :)

<< Comment #146 @ 09:36 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #144

Going as fast as I can mate :)

<< Comment #174 @ 22:43 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #144

Why can't you just say "I want to buy this mouse" and set aside $50...

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gisele - Reply to #174

He wants to continue getting laid.

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #228

lmao, that's a pretty shitty wife that won't let you spend $50 once in a while...

<< Comment #150 @ 12:28 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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B4ZE

Congratulation that looks realy good. I'll make sure to grab a couple of thoose.

I still hope you concider one day to make it even lighter. I don't know how but maybe delet side buttons and make the plastic structure thiner or w/e, use something lighter i dunno :P I always wondered if it was possible to make the pcb 10 times smaller, basicaly nearly just the place for the sensor and that's it, but i know there is the buttons and stuff, could be realy thought to do. etc.

I hope customer reviews are for soon !

<< Comment #152 @ 14:26 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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ģbst

I received some mouse mat samples yesterday, they aren't the full samples but just a collection of small ones to test colours and materials.

Heres what I chose from them for the final spec:

- A cloth material which is very silky, and feels the same in both directions. It almost doesn't feel like cloth because its so smooth (its different to the previous mat I received from them).

The tracking is very good in both quality and max speed. Also good with the mouse turned at an angle.

The initial movement is very good imo, but at the same time it doesn't feel out of control. It feels really good with small and fast movements, because it doesn't get "sticky" and cause the mouse to jump around.

They only sent me two other smooth materials, one was the same as I had before, and the other was a rougher version of it. I think the smoothest one I chose is nicer than both of them.

Honestly its the nicest material I've used, but maybe theres some other pad out there with it, its not a secret material or anything. But I'm glad I got them to send me some new samples, or I wouldn't have known about it.

Here is a photo next to a QcK and a Talent just to give an idea of the weave. I use a grey mat so it could be seen more clearly:
http://imgur.com/36wzF46

- I tried different colours but it doesn't make a huge difference, although theres only so many I can try. The differences seem to be like this:
Grey / black / blue / green: Medium LOD
Red = Highest LOD

Grey was a bit lower LOD than black, but by a very small amount.

I think most likely I'll only order black (Night) and red (Dusk) ones for now, because it keeps it simple, the names are nice, and they're the best looking (imo). They cover both kinds of LOD as well.

- A rubber base which grips to the desk, which is medium-hard (pretty sure its the same rubber as the QcK). Not much to say about it really, its flat and grippy, gets the job done :) There were some other types but either they were too soft, or not grippy enough.

- Sizes (just to recap):
Large: 450x350mm
Huge: 600x500mm
I have to confirm the depth with the factory, its the last thing I'm unsure about. If anyone feels like voting I've made a poll here:

http://strawpoll.me/551524
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Next step is to get some final samples, but I'll put them up for pre-order even though I don't have photos, because I probably won't get the samples before the site is up, but hopefully I can explain it well enough to make do for a few days!

Edited by ģbst at 14:28 CDT, 15 October 2013

<< Comment #155 @ 15:29 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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Ffleri - Reply to #152

"same in both directions" oh man, that's so good! I'm starting to hate my goliathus speed just cause it has so different tracking depending on how you place it on the table...

Also it seems like you have some difficult time choosing color versions. So what I'd suggest you is getting black and some other one, just to make diversity - nothing more (just like you said Nigh and Dusk would be great, cause making too much choice could be even worse than making one mousepad in one color). Anyway I wouldn't order anything else than simple black/grey.

Also in the future you might wanna make some of special versions, like Quake, CS, Starcraft (or maybe one with esr logotype and jamerio quotes :c) layers and stuff, so ppl from specific groups would be interested.

4mm thick is perfect, everyone shall be okayish with it, don't worry.

You're going so much in the right direction with BST stuff, bst.)) Wish you all best with this brand - it might go crazy good if well controled.

<< Comment #156 @ 15:37 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #152

how about
Large: 450x400mm
instead?

<< Comment #159 @ 19:24 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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azxx - Reply to #156

THIS. PLEASE BST.

<< Comment #162 @ 15:04 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #156

like the praised and already widely available QCK heavy?

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #162

QCK heavy is more expensive and has a different (bad IMO) surface.

I prefer the surface of the supermat to the qck. The qck surface was inconsistent for me. At first it felt perfect, then it started to feel slippery after a few days so I returned it. From what I hear from others it wears down progressively and gets grippier and grippier.

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megaman3 - Reply to #175

it requires cleaning it from time to time, like all cloth products.

Thing is there's a established product with those specifications, available everywhere and with a better brand reputation. No idea why he would want to compete against the QCK heavy when he might as well don't.

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #187

Because he's pricing his products at a much more reasonable range. Almost all gaming products are WAY over priced.

Then, since the other products have flaws there's no reason to buy them over BST's.

BST is hitting a part of the market that hasn't been reached by anyone. Mice and pads that are exactly what competitive gamers need and without price gouging.

<< Comment #195 @ 08:40 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #191

The mouse project looks great. On the other hand we have no info to say his mousepads are going to be the best ever. or better than the current standard (mainly QCK).

<< Comment #208 @ 21:11 CDT, 23 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #195

QCK is in no way the standard.

I've used almost every popular "gaming" mouse pad and they are all inferior AND more expensive than the $8 supermat.

A change in mouse feet makes just as big (if not bigger) a difference as a change in mousepad does, yet mouse feet are significantly cheaper.

The only reason a person has to buy a popular "gaming" mouse pad is for the look of it.

The one exception is the Razer pad that is like 3 feet wide. No one else creates pads like that so that's your only option if that's what you need.

<< Comment #212 @ 07:29 CDT, 26 October 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #208

what kind of aim do you have in quake or cs etc? high accuracy? if you aren't hitting shit, then i wouldn't take your word for it

I do agree mousefeet matters a ton

Edited by jamalz at 07:30 CDT, 26 October 2013

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #212

Here's my aim in CS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2ZPcxA0WM

I use 400dpi, 6/11, and anywhere from 2 - 3.6 sensitivity ingame. So it varies quite a bit from low to high sens. I seem to mostly be using 2.4 sensitivity recently.

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CENEk - Reply to #270

Wait, did you just make me miss doing headshots in 1.6? Wtf.

<< Comment #164 @ 15:49 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #156

No!

Having a mouse pad like a square has little benefit. Not many people like such a pad, nor do they have space for such a shape. In a FPS there is no need for that shape, I can see if you are playing a flying game.

<< Comment #176 @ 22:57 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #164

I think they mainly want the shape because they rest their whole forearm on the mousepad.

Personally, I use a small mousepad at the edge of my desk so that my whole forearm is resting on pad surface.

<< Comment #161 @ 14:05 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (147.229.217.107) - Reply to #152

Why not pick the grey, if it has lower LOD? Also I think it would stand out more - there are tons of black pads, not so many grey ones.

<< Comment #165 @ 15:49 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #152

Is it my eyes or does the weave look like the Talent?

Offering many colors allows the user to tune the LOD for their particular mouse. For instance Zowie mice have such a low LOD some users will want to increase the LOD with a red pad. Whereas users that use the DeathAdder 3.5G may want to use the gray. It's better than stacking mouse feet -- as you know doing that takes the sensor out of the design specs.

Not only does color change LOD it can change the frame rate of the sensor. Offering a blue and gray pad that will increase the sensor performance, yet slightly increasing the LOD, is a nice option. Offering red and black initially is great. Maybe you can stock up in this decreasing order: black, red, blue, gray, white.

Is the gray the same color as the cable of the white Zowie mice? It would be appealing if it was. It maybe appealing if the blue was like the color of the LED for the older Razer mice. Although, performance should be the deciding factor not color matching to mice. The red could be closer to the wavelength of the LED (as shown in the spec sheet) for the best performance.

If the price was great I would buy a large: black, red, blue, gray and (maybe) white.

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ģbst - Reply to #165

Its similar but not the same, the talent's weave isn't as tight, its like this:

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

But this pad is like

>>>>>>>>>

 >>>>>>>>>

so the edges of the weave fills in its own gaps.

It feels smoother than the talent, and I think the pattern of the weave is what helps it with feeling so similar in both directions.

You can see it in this pic (excuse the fluff 8))
http://i.imgur.com/joorDHU.jpg

I have to ask the factory how they feel about smaller orders in the other colours.

Edited by ģbst at 18:09 CDT, 16 October 2013

<< Comment #213 @ 07:36 CDT, 26 October 2013 >>

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ja ja ve ve - Reply to #170

man. im so looking forward to this pad.

<< Comment #169 @ 17:07 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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TheGood - Reply to #152

I would prefer as thin as possible. Because why do u need a cushion under your mouse?
And also it seems thinner pad edges live a longer life due to the fact that they are lower and get rubbed against less - at least that's my observation, maybe someone more knowledgeable can enlighten me if I'm wrong.

<< Comment #177 @ 23:00 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #169

If there is any flaw in the desk the extra padding will cover it better.

Thicker is also more comfortable in my opinion.

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TheGood - Reply to #177

If you have such a noticeable flaw in your table you can just fix it, or if it is so major that a small fix wont help, just use a thin piece of plywood, sheet of metal or a strong piece of cardboard under the pad...

<< Comment #229 @ 07:47 CDT, 31 October 2013 >>

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gisele - Reply to #185

If you're traveling via air to lan, you might receive some questionable looks going through customs with those objects. Furthermore, certain mice have the ability to create indentations in desk surfaces.

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TheGood - Reply to #229

Via air, that sounds like a bigger LAN event already, I don't believe the organizers would use desks with such noticeable flaws (?)
Here is my take on it: if it is noticeable you wont fix it with 6mm of mousemat, if it isn't noticeable why would you need 6mm mat?

Softpad doesn't sound so reasonable compared to a solid mousemat then...

Didn't know about creating indentations to the desk, but by the sound of it, it seems that a softpad would cause too much friction or wear out the fabric/feet fast(er)? (if I understood correctly)

I read/hear all these reasons why people prefer thicker pads, I just don't see the logic in it =/
- Okay, maybe if you have a really small mouse and you don't use claw grip for it your wrist can benefit from the soft and thick pad, but then again why would anybody use so small mouse for a longer period of time that they would have to buy a thick mousemat (given they don't own it).

<< Comment #242 @ 09:34 CDT, 1 November 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #235

I prefer a pad to be 4mm usually because the extra weight helps to make them stick to the desk better. When they're thin sometimes they slide around even if the rubber is really sticky.

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TheGood - Reply to #242

Okay, I see point there, taping the mat to table would not be very practical and aesthetically not very pleasing to the eye.

<< Comment #179 @ 03:00 CDT, 17 October 2013 >>

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zealot - Reply to #169

you ever played with a 2mm qck? there's your answer :) padding is useful (see above) and also helps giving the pad some stopping power when needed.

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TheGood - Reply to #179

Of course I have, also I am playing with Roccat Sense (2mm) right now =/
Padding can be useful, sure I don't disagree, I just don't find it useful in gaming.
I don't play with a brick nor have I played with a full metal mouse, but stopping a "100g piece plastic" isn't too hard, if noticeable at all. I would rather have as little friction as possible.
Let's see what the majority of people want and go with it, I'm just stating my opinions ;)

<< Comment #181 @ 04:41 CDT, 17 October 2013 >>

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Petru - Reply to #169

Agree and mouse glide on thin pads feels better, almost like hard pad. Less rubber also means cheaper pad.
Rubber cushion is only good for princesses with delicate skin and people with post ww2 tables.

<< Comment #190 @ 03:21 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #181

I like the feel of a thick & soft pad. With a thin pad it's as hard as the desk and I don't like that.

<< Comment #205 @ 14:00 CDT, 22 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.158) - Reply to #190

You must have skinny hands.

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #205

Interesting observation. You're right, I do.

I guess you're insinuating that fatter hands would provide the comfort/cushion that I'm looking for in the mousepad right?

Edited by MaximilianKohler at 21:13 CDT, 23 October 2013

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Hardbitter

C O L L E R
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CENEk - Reply to #153

Well, you'd think one couldn't fuck that up.

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Hardbitter - Reply to #180

Your cam.

<< Comment #154 @ 14:38 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (24.57.159.6)

Is there any chance you could make a mousepad that's even smaller than the 450x350 mm "standard" size? My tiny desk doesn't have enough room for a 450mm long pad :P

<< Comment #157 @ 15:42 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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piou - Reply to #154

You could just cut off a bit or put it partly under your keyboard so you save some space.

<< Comment #158 @ 16:22 CDT, 15 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (24.57.159.6) - Reply to #157

Using a laptop doesn't exactly allow for a mousepad underneath and I'd rather not cut it, especially if it has an anti-fray edge around it.
But I guess I can always buy a separate mousepad if I decide to buy this mouse.

<< Comment #178 @ 23:01 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #158

Yeah, just go to any local electronics store and you can pick up a normal sized mouse pad... the only reason to buy a "gaming" mouse pad is for the extra size.

<< Comment #204 @ 14:00 CDT, 22 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.158) - Reply to #178

Yup. I buy gaming mouse pads to use as blankets.

<< Comment #163 @ 15:49 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #157

It might fall apart if you cut it.

<< Comment #183 @ 05:38 CDT, 17 October 2013 >>

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TheGood - Reply to #163

Mousepad will not just fall apart after resizing it, the whole surface of the rubber and fabric touching is clued together.

<< Comment #166 @ 16:03 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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lemming#13

What can you tell us about durability of this weave? Will this pad last or wear out within a month of heavy use?

<< Comment #171 @ 18:05 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #166

It should be pretty durable, but I don't know for sure because I haven't had these pads long enough. But the last pad I had from them is still like new, and I used it for a few months.

I tried to rip the edges up on one pad and it ripped the rubber before the glue came away, so its stuck together very well.

I think because the mat is so smooth, and the rubber is firm (so the mouse feet don't sink in much) the lower friction should help it last longer than a rough/soft mat. The material itself looks good on close inspection, its not fluffy or frayed. So overall I think the quality is good and it should wear well. Its just my impression of it, but I can say for sure that its definitely not bad quality.

<< Comment #167 @ 16:19 CDT, 16 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (50.97.82.42)

Stumbled across this post and site, your mouse looks nice will be ordering one.

<< Comment #196 @ 11:06 CDT, 18 October 2013 >>

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I wish this could be available already, i have no mouse left for gaming, this is obviously the best mouse i can get, i can't even get a WMO, they are so hard to find in France unless you buy one for 25/30euro which is just ridiculous.

At least tell me it is out before January :/

<< Comment #197 @ 05:38 CDT, 20 October 2013 >>

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Tobbe

Flat packed cloth ditched. :\

Edited by Tobbe at 05:44 CDT, 20 October 2013

<< Comment #198 @ 17:02 CDT, 21 October 2013 >>

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Shuki

Would it be possible to buy one of the beta test Velocity mice?

<< Comment #199 @ 02:49 CDT, 22 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.156) - Reply to #198

You wouldn't want it now that the Aurora is coming out. No reason to buy an inferior product.

<< Comment #200 @ 03:43 CDT, 22 October 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #198

Why would you want it? A3050 is really inferior, it feels worse and got a few unfixable tracking bugs some of which aren' t even posted on esr, that's one of the reasons bst won't release it

<< Comment #201 @ 04:09 CDT, 22 October 2013 >>

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Shuki - Reply to #200

Cause its a better shape :/

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h8m3 - Reply to #201

Erm, that velocity was an A3050 in aurora shell, although some people also got a smaller shell which is somewhat pcb-compatible, you can probably ask some spare one from bst, I guess he's not planning to release it anymore(note that you have to solder a lower profile wheel encoder to fit the pcb into that shell)

Edited by h8m3 at 04:34 CDT, 22 October 2013

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Shuki - Reply to #202

http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/20...design.jpg

I want this with 3090 :(

<< Comment #207 @ 05:42 CDT, 23 October 2013 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #206

In the other thread bst said he will release the velocity with a 3090 sensor too. He just didn't have the time to edit the opening post.

<< Comment #211 @ 04:45 CDT, 26 October 2013 >>

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Shuki - Reply to #207

So its not "on hold"?

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ģbst - Reply to #211

Its on hold, maybe never to happen, since its not that much different to a G100S. I just don't know if that many people would want it. I would prefer to make mice with brand new shells. But maybe in future I would make something to replace the Aurora (like a version 2), which has a way to remove the side buttons, which would make it a lot like the Velocity.

<< Comment #216 @ 20:33 CDT, 29 October 2013 >>

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petejones - Reply to #215

DEM INNOVATIONZ BABY I LUV IT

<< Comment #237 @ 19:40 CDT, 31 October 2013 >>

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no_il - Reply to #215

How much bigger is the aurora in comparison to the g100s or G1 (the g1/mx300/g3 are slightly bigger)? I saw the dimensions of the mouse, but those don't mean much if you aren't taking the shape into consideration, since the feeling of the size can vary significantly depending on how flat/low/etc the shell is.

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ģbst - Reply to #237

Hmm a bit hard to explain. I done some comparison photos with the RX250 which is similar to the G1 here, if you haven't seen them before:
http://www.erasem.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2
The RX250 feels a bit bigger, but only in a very subtle way - the sides are straighter and it is taller at the back (slopes down less).

<< Comment #244 @ 11:18 CDT, 1 November 2013 >>

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no_il - Reply to #243

Hmm, never tried the RX250 before but thanks for letting me know. If you could perhaps make some comparasion pictures between the g1/g100s/rx250/aurora that would be helpful, but I'm sure you're busy and most likely don't have the time for it.
guess the only way for me to find out would be to try it =)

BTW, do you by any chance have any of the old beta versions of the aurora with an A3050 sensor left over that you can sell? I know that technically speaking the A3090 is the better sensor of the two, but there is something about 'bulkier' and slightly less responsive feeling of the A3050 that I personally like.

Edit: One last question, Would it by any chance be possible to port Aurora PCB in a kinzu v2 (or original kinzu)?

Edited by no_il at 11:31 CDT, 1 November 2013

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ģbst - Reply to #244

Sorry forgot to reply to your message.

I don't have a G1 or G100 sorry, but heres some comparison shots taken by h8m3 and fishbone:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sxk2tkyb9pl2il2/fNykze4Hu8
http://imgur.com/a/z2vPZ#0

I don't think the PCB fits in a Kinzu easily, it fits in a WMO pretty easily though.

Sorry I don't have any A3050 ones left, well except 2 but I want to keep them for reference (they are both a bit different thats why I want to keep 2).

<< Comment #203 @ 14:00 CDT, 22 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.158)

Any news on the time line for final samples? For final pictures, testing, etc...

<< Comment #210 @ 15:02 CDT, 24 October 2013 >>

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norko

How stiff is the mouse wheel? I plan on getting this as my next mouse, but if the scroll wheel is like Steelseries / some Razer(Deathadder 2013) I may have to mod it to be stiffer. Reason being I jump with the scroll wheel and with certain mice(I'm assuming Omron as well) it does so without my consent. I would really prefer not to mod the mouse though, some feedback would be greatly appreciated.

My current mouse is the Zowie FK which I never have the problem, although the notches aren't too consistent.

Edit: On the mice that I had troubles with I was forced to use mwheel down instead of my preferred mwheel up, due to mwheel down being harder to accidentally activate.

Edited by norko at 15:50 CDT, 24 October 2013

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ģbst - Reply to #210

So you jump by scrolling the wheel?

I have smileys bound to wheel up and wheel down, and it doesn't accidentally smile, I wouldn't put smileys on it if it done them randomly, so its been ok for me :)

Its not a stiff wheel but not an easy wheel either, its kind of in the middle (if that makes sense).

<< Comment #219 @ 21:54 CDT, 29 October 2013 >>

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pierow - Reply to #217

Sounds like he's just bad to me. I jump with scroll and I like a loose wheel like the deathadder for comfort of using it often and I don't have a problem with accidentally hitting it. I see that they're both 24 step TTC wheels - do you have anything more specific for the model or resistance? I'm going to get an aurora, hopefully I'll like the wheel.

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ģbst - Reply to #219

Its a TTC 103 series (same as the DA).

The default resistance is 14-40gf.cm, which they class as "standard lighter force". You could also see it as 27ą13gf.cm.

Overall you could say its a light-normal feeling, you could get an extreme of 14 or 40 when you buy a mouse with this encoder, but mostly they'll be closer to 27.

I could ask for them with the light force (14-26 / 20ą6) , but then they would all be very light, maybe too light for some people. Also usually they have some really high order quantity for going outside of the default.

Heres the full list of options, but they don't sell anything but the 14-40 off the shelf, so they aren't 'free' options ;)

Torque force: single-digit
0: without force
1: light force: 14-26gf.cm
2: standard lighter force: 14-40gf.cm
3: standard force: 22-45gf.cm
4: heavier force: 30-55gf.cm
5: product force: 30ą10gf.cm
6: product force: 50ą20gf.cm
7: product force: 100gf.cm

Edited by ģbst at 05:43 CDT, 30 October 2013

<< Comment #224 @ 18:49 CDT, 30 October 2013 >>

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pierow - Reply to #222

Sounds good. It'll probably feel a bit stiffer because it looks like a smaller wheel diameter, but not by too much. This wheel has lasted me 5+ years of spamming the hell out of it so it's pretty durable. There's about a step worth of loose space when moving between up and down notches now, but I don't mind.

<< Comment #220 @ 03:44 CDT, 30 October 2013 >>

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norko - Reply to #217

Thank you for the response, and yes it makes sense. I think the problem is partially due to low sens fast swiping(If the wheel is sensitive), I'll let you know what I think when I receive the mouse.

<< Comment #214 @ 18:36 CDT, 27 October 2013 >>

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resis

We will need a third thread by the time this mouse is released.

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<< Comment #221 @ 05:08 CDT, 30 October 2013 >>

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sonic - Reply to #214

oh you

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ogdiabz - Reply to #214

I'm betting on a forth

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<< Comment #225 @ 01:38 CDT, 31 October 2013 >>

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119)

Whaaa this is neat!

Quickly read the topic, but I guess I missed something.

How many buttons does it have? Can these be reprogrammed? Is there going to be a software package? Macro's? DPI/HZ adjustments? Profiles?

Just got myself 2 g400s' to try out the ADNS-3090, it's one of the best sensors I tried yet. But both mice do have a little quirk though - when I set the dpi rather high (2000+), the cursor starts to act quite jittery during slow diagonal movements. Only 800dpi seems to be flawless (supersmooth), lowering the dpi also introduces slight jitter (even at 700dpi) during slow diagonals, but not as much. Tried on various mousepads. 1000Hz achieves smoothest results, jitter is slightly worse at 500Hz. It's very acceptable though, I'm generally a nitpick and test on a CRT (way less obvious on an LCD because of blur).

It surely beats the Sentinel Advance II I had before, the sensor in that one had all kinds of issues.

I ordered a Roccat Kone Pure Optical which also uses the ADNS-3090, I'm hoping the jitter issue is not a fault of the sensor but rather one of Logitech. I will test it in the same way.

How are the Huano White 3Ms? Tactile, nice feedback? The sidebuttons on the G400s are pretty good, but I'm definitely no fan of the dpi buttons (don't register while pressed softly, mushy click), and the wheel is pretty bad as well (not accurate, scroll sometimes registers before click, hard to press).

That Aurora looks sweet, nice shape, looks comfy. The choices for internals seem well considered.

I really need at least 5 buttons and software DPI profiles, so I don't need to switch (saving up to two buttons).

<< Comment #245 @ 01:06 CDT, 2 November 2013 >>

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Zwiebi - Reply to #225

Lol, have you tried reading the opening post?

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lemming#13 - Reply to #245

He read the topic* (quickly) not the first post. He then posted the questions he got from reading the topic (quickly). It's kind of funny if you think about it.

* What he read (quickly): "New gaming mouse development (part 2)"

<< Comment #254 @ 20:13 CDT, 2 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #245

Yes, I read it too quickly and skipped over some vital parts in my enthusiasm.

I took some time this time, found out the info on the buttons but still am not sure about the software package, what the driver does exactly and what features/customizations will be available (can dpi be manually set? In what steps? Does it allow for software profiles? Can the polling rate be set manually like on the steelseries, 960Hz for example? etc.).

Also still curious about how those Huano White 3Ms perform, I think the advance II might have had those as well. If that's the case, they should be pretty good (way better than the dpi buttons on the G400s).

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ģbst - Reply to #254

Take a look at the user manual:
http://ninox.org/files/Ninox_Aurora_User_Manual.pdf

It allows software profiles, you need to keep the software installed to switch between them. You can save one profile to the mouse, which includes everything you set in that profile (eg, dpi steps, macros assigned to buttons, etc).

DPI steps are 400 / 800 / 1600 / 3200 / 4000

USB polling rate options are: 125hz / 250hz / 500hz / 1000hz

The Huano White 3Ms are nice, they have a tactile and crisp action. They aren't quite as good as Omrons for repetitive clicks, but are very good for DPI and side buttons.

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #255

Okey, so nothing in between then.

You see, the G400s has those default steps as well, but aside from that, I can also set it manually in steps of 50dpi.

The steelseries driver allowed me to set the pollingrate manually as well.

Could these features be added, or would that be a lot of trouble? It's not a must, but it sure is handy.

I guess the profiles are linked to and activated via executables like on the G400s? That'd be neat.

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #257

Just realized I might not have been clear with my definition of 'manually'.

I should have asked if I can set other values for both dpi and polling rate aside from the predetermined default steps.

The G400s allows me to set the dpi manually in steps of 50dpi for example, but also has some predetermined steps which are the default.

So to be clear, as I understand it now, the Aurora will support only the steps mentioned above, nothing inbetween. I guess I'm out of luck if I like 2000dpi for some games then, but I can work around that.

I'm still not sure about profiles :)

Are they linked to executables, meaning automatic detection based on which game is running, or would I need to either press a profile-switch on the mouse or open up the software often?

I think the link-to-exe method is the most convenient, like on the G400s. Never have to think about it after setting it. Downside is that the driver software must be running to be able to detect the exe, but I'm cool with that.

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ģbst - Reply to #258

Yes you can link to programs with the profiles :)

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #260

Sweet.

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lemming#13 - Reply to #258

Have you checked if a manually set polling rate actually works? In my experience, steelseries mice have had trouble getting a stable polling rate at all. So setting the rate to say 857 or whatever was pure illusion. Yes the software enabled you to do it. But what showed in the software wasn't real.

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #266

The Steelseries I had reacted to the settings, but wasn't as precise as I would have liked it to be.

For example, Setting the pollingrate at 960Hz and the max I got returned was 969Hz or something (required wild input, the rate fluctuates depending on the amount of input - as with other mice). Set it to 1000Hz and I got 999Hz max in return.

The CM Sentinel Advance II had multiple settings lower than the default 125Hz (like 100 and 60 I believe), but the lowest it actually accepted was 125Hz (settings didn't do anything lower than that).

1000Hz is good, I'm not really worried or anything but would be a lovely extra to see manual adjustments.

I think more DPI-options are of more importance. 1600-3200 is a pretty big step.

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Conditioned - Reply to #254

I love people who get overenthusiastic over new products. I have a BRAND NEW product, I´ts not even on the market yet. Buy now it will almost have hit the stores but if you send me 150 euros I will send it to you.

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Puzzler

Please Please mirror the ending A of AurorA in the Name and wallpapers to let it look symmetric. ;-)

Edited by Puzzler at 07:02 CDT, 31 October 2013

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annihiluzz - Reply to #226

how about aURORa? thats more leet

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lemming#13 - Reply to #230

4UROR4. Now it's finished. Lol.

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Ffleri - Reply to #232

4UR0R4. Now it's shit. Lol.

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lemming#13 - Reply to #234

Yes yes, I know you didn't get it.

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resis - Reply to #236

What about 4ULOL4?

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kevz - Reply to #226

is your ocd sense tingling?

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petejones - Reply to #226

that wouldnt look symmetric even if you were literally retarded.

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XpArTy - Reply to #233

A u r o r u A
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Puzzler - Reply to #233

I am talking about a symmetric word in whole, not in deatail. Wasn't talking about a Palindrome. Just wanted to point out that with this font an bold A after a bold R looks awful. ^^

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h8m3 - Reply to #226

but sidebuttons arent symmetric so no

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119)

Just got the Roccat Kone Pure Optical, and man, jitter during diagonal movements is WAY worse with this mouse than it is with the G400s, so unfortunately I think it might be an actual issue with the sensor.

Are there any alternatives to the ADNS-3090?

Despite the horrible mousewheel and DPI-buttons, I'll stick with the G400s for now, until the Aurora is released.

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ģbst - Reply to #249

Can you post a pic from MS Paint, so I know what you mean?
I just done one with the aurora for an example: http://i.imgur.com/23RwOjO.png

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #252

Sure thing.

Roccat Kone Pure Optical on the left, Logitech G400s on the right.

http://i.imgur.com/cxs2v6M.png

Drawn at 1000Hz, default sensitivity (6th notch, or whatever the driver has as midpoint).

The G400s performs acceptable at higher DPI settings, the Kone Pure Optical does not. Both exhibit jitter to an extent, gets worse the higher the dpi are. Both use the ADNS-3090.

Played around alot with dpi, driver sensitivity and windows sensitivity for ages, but no matter what the combination, results on the Roccat were always unaccceptable.

Used the best mousepad I have (cloth gaming pad, other mice perform best on this one. Tried others - worse results).

Didn't have this with the CM Sentinel Advance II, which isn't optical. Smooth lines at every dpi. However, it stuttered when direction was suddenly reversed (prediction error I think), had a bit of lag and had trouble moving one pixel at once using higher dpi settings.

The lines you drew with the Aurora look good, but I'm curious how it performs at 2000+ dpi. If it can manage to avoid jitter, that'd be great. If it performs the same as the G400s, that'd be pretty good as well.

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ģbst - Reply to #256

I don't have the new software for this version of the Aurora I'm using at the moment, so I couldn't use 3200 DPI, but here is 4000:
http://i.imgur.com/O7otWDV.png

Don't worry too much about high DPI, the only reason there are mice out there with over 2000 DPI is because of a misconception that its necessary. Its just because companies know that a lot of people think higher DPI means more precision.

All 4000 DPI means is that the mouse cursor will move 4000 pixels with 1 inch of movement. But it isn't so easy to do that when you consider that in one square inch it must be able to read 16 million unique areas in order for it to have perfect tracking. So thats why 4000 DPI looks so bad at today's relatively low resolutions - its really going to be used mostly when people have displays like 8000x4000px (it will feel like a 1000 DPI mouse does at 1080p then, and any jitter will look 4x smaller on those displays, and be 4x less important because everything will be 4x bigger so you can still see things).

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #259

Paint example looks superb. Very promising.

I think people mostly use higher dpi settings to compensate for games lacking proper pixel accuracy at default sensitivity (skipping too many pixels at minimal input). Solution is to turn ingame sensitivity down and dpi setting up. Never needed anything higher than 2000dpi so far.

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ģbst - Reply to #262

I forgot to say that tracking is from the Ninox Atmos mouse mat, I don't know if it'll track as well on the mouse mat you're using. So it can't be seen as a direct comparison - those other mice might track just as well on the Ninox mat :)
(What one were you using btw? Maybe I can post the results from that if I have one).

I see what you mean about the sensitivity in some games, sucks that people are forced to do that :(

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #265

I used an Ozone Gaming Gear Gamers' Environment, I don't think it's very well known or reviewed often. Also have a couple of nonbrands lying all over the place, one of them glass, got a QCK Heavy and an old Everglide. The QCK is kaputt (burns). Still got some areas left on it where I can test on, but it's not practical to actually use it. The Everglide and glass ones are too icey, I prefer a cloth-like mat (slight resistance). Aside from some of the sloppy nonbrands, jitter performance is about the same on all the higher grade ones.

I favor The Ozone, despite being a couple of years old. Judging from the info, the Ninox Atmos looks about the same in the material department, so I'll probably get me a couple of those as well when released.

<< Comment #276 @ 19:56 CST, 3 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #265

Here's a shot of what it looks like up close:

http://cdn.iqmore.com/iqmoreidv_img/review/20...vel/09.JPG

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petejones - Reply to #262

does quake live happen to be one of those games?

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #277

Haven't played in quite some time, but I remember Quake having exemplary input support.

Games mostly affected are console ports with sloppy analogue emulation and all kinds of input distortion.

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h8m3 - Reply to #249

it's dependant on the surface you use

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #263

As demonstrated, it also depends on how the sensor is tweaked.

Despite using the same sensor and mosue mat, the Roccat and Logitech perform vastly different.

<< Comment #250 @ 14:20 CDT, 2 November 2013 >>

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Noosh

bst can now add that this mouse is world champion on shitmania since linkin won ESWC 2013 with *aAa* :)

(on shitmania ;[ )

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<< Comment #253 @ 18:48 CDT, 2 November 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #250

Yey :D well done l1nk :)
Heres a pic of him getting a well deserved massage, lol
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=47955...mp;theater

<< Comment #264 @ 01:35 CST, 3 November 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #253

such an exciting game he's sleeping between rounds

Edited by h8m3 at 01:46 CST, 3 November 2013

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Noosh - Reply to #253

And here's strenx and stermy falling in love while winz's lil bro is jealous : https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto...9710_o.jpg

<< Comment #268 @ 08:41 CST, 3 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #267

"Hey Stronks watch dis, imma spank dat"

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/...2127_n.jpg

Edited by zb0t at 08:42 CST, 3 November 2013

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abso - Reply to #250

i guess bad publicity is still better than no publicity

Edited by abso at 09:41 CST, 3 November 2013

<< Comment #279 @ 18:24 CST, 4 November 2013 >>

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eLim

Getting keen for this. In need of a new mouse ^_^

<< Comment #280 @ 05:26 CST, 5 November 2013 >>

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vrtx - Reply to #279

Don't hold your breath just yet. We still haven't seen an estimated date of release.

<< Comment #282 @ 06:47 CST, 5 November 2013 >>

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Noosh - Reply to #280

ETA: December 2013 - Janurary 2014

?

Also let us preorder plz.

Edited by Noosh at 06:48 CST, 5 November 2013

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Anonymous (141.0.9.76) - Reply to #282

You know what "Ninox Aurora" stands for?

[N]inox [A]urora = Not Available

Large trolling going on here! You guys have been fooled for years now.

<< Comment #285 @ 06:50 CST, 6 November 2013 >>

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stiffnipple - Reply to #283

i don't think we have been trolled, i just think that the expectations has been so high that most people have been let down over and over again. and the fact that bst has never been able to keep a single promise since he first promised a release 2-whatever years ago doesn't make it better. people stop caring eventually. i came to the point where i cba checking this thread. i will do the same this time and take a look in another 3-4 months out of curiosity.

<< Comment #286 @ 14:15 CST, 6 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #285

That is the problem with people and their brains. BST made estimations, but people expect the estimations to be fulfilled and speak about broken promises when it does not happen.

I am as much tired about the delays as you and eventually stopped caring and look up the thread(s) once and a while out of curiosity, but I don't accuse BST of having done any promises.

Mouse will come eventually.

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MAGISTR

Good afternoon. Will there be a future opportunity to display DPI mouse through the driver below 400 DPI? For example 250 DPI. This is an extremely important opportunity for me, because I play on a low sensitivity (52 cm/360), but try to use the same sensitivity in 3D shooters and Windows desktop for an effective workout in Missionred. Therefore, changing the mouse sensitivity through its driver is the only possible way for me (sensitivity in Windows is always 6/11 ). Ninox Aurora became interesting to me right away, as soon as I saw it, due to its shape, weight, and the sensor. But the inability to set DPI below 400 for driving me all the benefits of the mouse to nothing.

<< Comment #287 @ 14:27 CST, 7 November 2013 >>

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platypus - Reply to #284

I think 400 dpi is the lowest

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #284

You can use 4/11 on 400dpi if you really want that low sens... http://mousespeed.net/sc2-mouse-optimization

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MAGISTR - Reply to #288

So I'll get low quality interpolation, and lose my ability to use raw mouse input in games.

<< Comment #289 @ 15:06 CST, 7 November 2013 >>

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cx '

quite satisfied with my deathadder 3.5, won't buy ...

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platypus - Reply to #289

Why do you feel the need to post then?

<< Comment #291 @ 21:41 CST, 7 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (107.217.214.192)

Please don't release this mouse with the 4000 DPI Avago 3090 firmware. It is vastly inferior to the 3500 DPI firmware and just introduces massive levels of mouse smoothing that shouldn't be in any gaming mouse. I posted in detail about it here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1440395/avago-3090...he-kana-v2

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ģbst - Reply to #291

The Aurora doesn't have that problem, so it can't be down to the 4000 DPI A3090 SROM.

I don't have a Savu or Kana V2, so I don't know what they're like.

I have a G400 (not a G400S), actually have just plugged the G400 in, and using them side by side I can't notice any difference at all.

Trust me I'd know if it had any latency problem :) I HATE that kind of thing, I wouldn't be able to use the mouse if it had that problem.

<< Comment #294 @ 08:15 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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platypus - Reply to #292

When can we pre-order?

<< Comment #295 @ 09:12 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #294

Not long now, honestly! :D
I'm just doing last minute checks and being picky over things :/

Little preview:
http://i.imgur.com/8HlC4Ci.jpg
(there is a bundle for those two with a discount, just didn't show it :p)

<< Comment #296 @ 11:30 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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platypus - Reply to #295

I'm getting 2 mice, 2 pads, and some extra feet. With shipping to canada, whats a ballpark amount of cost?

<< Comment #297 @ 11:52 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #296

About 120 USD.

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platypus - Reply to #297

That's not too bad. I would have to pay something along the lines of 13% in duty/taxes though T_T. Looking forward to it :)

<< Comment #299 @ 12:07 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #295

Can't wait, I need a new mouse :(.

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Anonymous (173.165.161.185) - Reply to #295

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03...-To-Me.gif

<< Comment #303 @ 15:04 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (95.96.234.119) - Reply to #295

Whoohoo! Let's hope we can have one in time for Christmas :)

<< Comment #352 @ 09:17 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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NnxMs - Reply to #295

Hi, BST!
Will you shipping Ninox Aurora mouse in Russian Federation?
P. S. Thanks for all your work!

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Anonymous (107.217.214.192) - Reply to #292

"The Aurora doesn't have that problem, so it can't be down to the 4000 DPI A3090 SROM.

I don't have a Savu or Kana V2, so I don't know what they're like."

If you have any interest in trying a Kana V2 or Savu, whether it be for comparison to help in development, or use, or whatever, I can send you basically a brand new one of each. Both only used for a few hours if you want to send me an Aurora sample (don't care if it's new or used)

The Kana V2 cost me $100 alone to get shipped to the US, and the Savu was around $50. Can even send you a Krait 2013 with them if you want. Both it, and the Kana v2 aren't available in the US.

I guess I can sign an NDA or whatever to not defame the mouse if it does indeed have the same smoothing problem.

I'm currently not a potential customer for this mouse after seeing the smoothing in all Avago firmware over 3500 DPI in the last 3 mice I've purchased: Savu, Kana v2, Krait 2013 (same sensor as deathadder 4g).

There's my thread for BIOS & Windows optimization for mouse response, so you can see I'm pretty picky about this stuff:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1433882/gaming-and...ch-edition

<< Comment #305 @ 18:17 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #304

sounds legit, register on esreality if you keep posting too

<< Comment #306 @ 18:28 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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Vido - Reply to #304

Amazing thread thanks very much.

Edit: Shaft +acc is still shit. Must be either my 60hz monitor or placebo.

Edited by Vido at 11:33 CST, 17 November 2013

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B4ZE - Reply to #304

I've read your post on overclock.net and i have to say, some motherboards such as GIGABITE had real problems regarding 3D performances dunno why. I noticed it when FarCry 2 came out a few years ago, i made test with multiple motherboards CPU and other hardware, the problem was coming from the GIGABITE motherboards. Dunno why.

Other than that you prove nothing with your thread and it looks realy just complet paranoid, while back in the days when i detected that problem with GIGABITE motherboards (was the P35 and or P45 series iirc) i could see it while ingame with fps decreasing drasticaly and very specific software benchmark for 3D.

DPC Latency checker will show flawless green line with or without all the craps you mentionned ON or OFF, just saying.

Give some evidences first...

edit : you do realise the latency in DPC is in 0.001 of a second? All you can feel is placebo, lol. Also RAM latency numbers are in NANO seconds all you can feel there is placebo too.

Edited by B4ZE at 19:29 CST, 8 November 2013

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Pushpabon - Reply to #292

Is the mouse's internal sample frequency controllable or is it fixed to something like 1000 Hz? I mean the frequency it updates the usb endpoint data cache where the PC reads it at whatever Hz you clocked your usb line to. Those 2 are not the same, which I hope you know. Just worried.

edit: or rather, I'm curious if / how much variance there is between mice and if they've thought about even having more than say 100 or 125 position updates on them. Do the engineers play it safe and just make the mouse have tons more updates than the PC could ever request or what.

tl;dr; can you get 1000 unique updates per second from this mouse?)

Edited by Pushpabon at 08:36 CST, 13 November 2013

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2 questions.

-Those mouse feet on the screen, are they compatible with the WMO ? is it round edge ?

-What's the advantage of pre order -.- ?

<< Comment #302 @ 14:12 CST, 8 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #301

-What's the advantage of pre order -.- ?

Getting it day 1 before everyone else I think.
Also going on Quake Live and other games and showing off "Hey guys I got a new mouse, the one BST made, u jelly? I know u all mad, say it. Admit it. Pls?"
In a nutshell being someone like a hipster?

Can't wait.

Edited by zb0t at 14:15 CST, 8 November 2013

<< Comment #308 @ 08:36 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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ģbst

I got some photos of the mouse mat samples yesterday:
http://i.imgur.com/XU5joIr.jpg
Unfortunately they made a mistake with the black ones. Can you tell what it is? :/
http://i.imgur.com/zN44j6I.jpg
They're going to remake the black ones.
I really emphasized that logo thing in the emails and even the file names but still! Its like platting fog sometimes.

At least aside from that they look nice :D

Edited by ģbst at 08:36 CST, 10 November 2013

<< Comment #309 @ 09:40 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #308

Me wants pre-order! :) Gogogo. I suggest you fly down to the factory and start the production yourself. That should do the trick :)

<< Comment #311 @ 14:51 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #309

if he had done that the mouse would have been released 1-2 years ago

Edited by h8m3 at 14:51 CST, 10 November 2013

<< Comment #310 @ 14:37 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #308

Should be "dawn" on the black one. Someone really needs to be fired there.

I see you went with the bottom-right logo. IMO looks much better.
The minimalistic logo style and size is also very good.

<< Comment #312 @ 15:30 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.75) - Reply to #310

Bottom right logos are not great. The Artisan pads have a logo there, I can feel a horrible change in glide as the mouse passes over it. Artisan claims you wouldn't feel it, but I do. A logo on the top corners is a better idea because you don't often use that area like you do the bottom.

<< Comment #313 @ 15:44 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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Petru - Reply to #312

top right is the best spot

<< Comment #315 @ 15:59 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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Janitor III - Reply to #313

top left

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<< Comment #319 @ 22:39 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #315

lmao

<< Comment #320 @ 17:05 CST, 11 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #319

center plz

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neologan - Reply to #320

i want logo to come on separate piece of materiel i can glue to my chin.

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0x5f3759df - Reply to #319

unrespect

Edited by rush. at 03:39 CST, 24 November 2013

<< Comment #314 @ 15:57 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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Noosh - Reply to #312

I think you're an isolated case since I think the majority of people use the top left (and middle / right when they do 360 noscopez mlg) so logo on bottom right is the best place to put it.

And if you don't like it, just rotate the pad.

<< Comment #316 @ 17:59 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.75) - Reply to #314

If you don't have a large table you will be using the lower area of the pad. If you used the top portion your arms will be stretched out or you will be very close to the monitor. You need to have some room for the monitor.

Also in FPS games you are more likely to be moving the mouse downwards than upwards. Right handed people are more likely to move pass the edge of the right side of the pad than the left, because their keyboard is blocking the mouse on the left..

I don't know where you get the idea that majority of right handed people use the left of the pad.

<< Comment #317 @ 18:19 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #316

I mainly use left hand side of the pad.

<< Comment #318 @ 18:32 CST, 10 November 2013 >>

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kevz - Reply to #316

i set my pitch/yaw appropriately so i dont need to drag it up or down for miles in awkward fashion.

also i think you need to reset your mouse position more often, it avoids reaching the edges of ur pad, and allows you to be ready with proper aim at all times :)

that said, everything you said is reverse for me :P

long arms, i use alot of my desk. mouse on the top left ish side of the pad (like only a few CM to the top/left from the center). its only an issue when i forget to reset my mouse near the center of the pad and i have to look left... like alot :>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.155) - Reply to #318

Sounds like you guys have high sensitivity. Also sounds like you have enough room at your house and never travel to place where you won't.

What if you had 1 sensitivity, with pitch and yaw at 0.22, when using 450 CPI?

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ashy - Reply to #321

What if you had 1 sensitivity, with pitch and yaw at 0.22, when using 450 CPI?

I'd probably look like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...hlitte.JPG

Edited by ashy at 05:19 CST, 12 November 2013

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kevz - Reply to #321

i use accel. that said, when i did use low ish sens and made large sweeps i still never ended up at the bottom right of my pad... that'd mean i have to go off the pad with my wrist, i guess i just dont do that.

<< Comment #331 @ 07:18 CST, 14 November 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #312

The factory said they dyed the logo in, so it shouldn't feel any different to the rest of the pad. Also its thin and positioned low down, so the sensor on most mice will never be low enough to read from that area.

<< Comment #333 @ 15:49 CST, 14 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.142) - Reply to #331

Same thing was said about the Artisan mouse pads. Yet, I feel the logo when the teflon feet travel over it. Has nothing to do with the sensor... it's the change in glide.

<< Comment #324 @ 10:37 CST, 12 November 2013 >>

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zb0t

My money is so ready, but nothing is coming :(.

<< Comment #325 @ 20:42 CST, 12 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.157) - Reply to #324

The Rival came out, buy it. It's the future sensor for mice from now on.

<< Comment #326 @ 21:53 CST, 12 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (62.240.83.73) - Reply to #325

steelseries marketing please leave

<< Comment #332 @ 15:49 CST, 14 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.142) - Reply to #326

Don't be surprised when every mouse maker uses the 3310 from now on instead of the 3090. The 3090 will be for cheaper mice until it is discontinued.

<< Comment #329 @ 14:42 CST, 13 November 2013 >>

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footloose

Can you comment on the button click latency?

There's a Japanese guy that tested mice for this:
http://rafaunreal.blogspot.jp/2013/02/114.html

<< Comment #330 @ 07:07 CST, 14 November 2013 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #329

I tested it in the old thread:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2173191/new-gam...pid2464805

<< Comment #334 @ 17:13 CST, 14 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.142) - Reply to #330

It needs to be done with a soldered switch to get true results. To many factors without doing so. Also need to have USB hubs with 1000Hz set through driver on the OS.

Every time the firmware is changed the latency changes. So the test can be irrelevant for the retail mouse and after firmware updates later in its life.

Why not have the factory create a program similar to that Mouse Speed Test program? Get the signal as direct as possible per mouse instead of requiring another mouse to compare. Have it store the results, calculate the average and create graphs with other mice tested. They probably have something like that already. It would be a nice program for people to test mice and firmwares.

<< Comment #338 @ 19:16 CST, 18 November 2013 >>

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petejones - Reply to #334

something tells me you dont ask the same things of steelseries...

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footloose - Reply to #338

I'm not that guy (Anonymous), but I surely "ask" the same from any mouse manufacturer. (Big companies tend not to answer, though.)

And with all due respect and with knowing that making a good product takes a lot of effort, I won't give some product "a pass" just because it's not from a big company.

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petejones - Reply to #367

i'm not talking about that in a general sense. that dude spams the thread with faggotry promoting steelseries while trying to give reasons why the aurora will be bad (usually retarded reasons).

<< Comment #368 @ 10:43 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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footloose - Reply to #330

Thanks. And if you ever do a more thorough test (with wires...) it would be appreciated.

<< Comment #335 @ 16:16 CST, 16 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (46.246.49.144)

Can someone give me the PCB dimensions please in mm. I have a few modding ideas.

<< Comment #336 @ 16:41 CST, 17 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #335

Can someone give me the release date please in xx.xx.xxxx. I have a few shopping ideas.

<< Comment #337 @ 04:23 CST, 18 November 2013 >>

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Noosh

http://i.imgur.com/LpfM9Je.jpg

<< Comment #339 @ 18:56 CST, 20 November 2013 >>

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resis

I think the mouse is still in testing phase, because it surely is testing my patience.

17%

<< Comment #341 @ 10:42 CST, 21 November 2013 >>

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zb0t

My money is so ready, but nothing is coming :(.

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xero- '

(echo)

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neologan - Reply to #342

(echo)

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XpArTy - Reply to #343

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Edited by XpArTy at 16:56 CST, 22 November 2013

<< Comment #344 @ 13:07 CST, 22 November 2013 >>

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KittenIgnition

You forced me to get a Deathadder. I hope you're happy.

<< Comment #346 @ 19:39 CST, 22 November 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #344

empty threat mate, we both know you'll get this too.

Edited by jamalz at 19:39 CST, 22 November 2013

<< Comment #348 @ 23:18 CST, 22 November 2013 >>

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KittenIgnition - Reply to #346

I just want him to feel bad for making it take so long >:(

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pussuw - Reply to #348

Eventually you will be grateful to him for taking his time. Developing electronics (especially hardware) is not simple. Where the other companies (SS, Zowie, Razer) failed, he will probably succeed, that is NOT RELEASING AN INCOMPLETE PRODUCT. Incomplete meaning it has flaws or outright design defects (bugs, hw defects etc...).

When you have waited for years for your MX300 replacement, it really does not matter how long it takes now, as long as the mouse is absolutely perfect, and I have my hopes really high for Aurora.

You do have a point though, he's taking his time, but it would be nice if he gave us at least weekly status updates, especially now that the estimated release date is so close.

<< Comment #355 @ 11:37 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #349

Agree. It would be nice to at least have few new photos with the glowing logo and the cable on the new pad. BST always says look up the gallery, but this is all old stuff. Want new shiny pics.

<< Comment #350 @ 05:54 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #346

Hahaha :D Gotta admit that even if I spend money on a FK or KANA v2 I'm gonna get that new mouse in development BST aurora mother fucking come on already money is all over the place so ready for you.

Edited by zb0t at 05:57 CST, 23 November 2013

<< Comment #347 @ 19:40 CST, 22 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (91.91.214.61)

You forced me to get the ikari optical. I hope you're happy. (im not)

<< Comment #356 @ 11:40 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #347

I was dangerously close to buy the SteelSeries Rival. Was lucky though, common sense changed my mind.

This serious, man.

<< Comment #351 @ 05:57 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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zb0t

You forced me to wait. I hope you're happy.

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XpArTy

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Edited by resis at 11:41 CST, 23 November 2013

<< Comment #357 @ 15:01 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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fuku

With SS rival just released with the 3310 sensor why would anyone pay $44 for an OEM Shell mouse using old sensor (3390). With the 3310 sensor being far superior to the 3390 it's only time before every major brand starts switching to it. If BST sells the mouse for $35 I think all the other major mouse brands will have a hard time competing against the aurora. With the 3310 being the new staple for gaming sensors it would be only right to put it in the velocity and any future mice from BST.

<< Comment #358 @ 15:41 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #357

Has the new sensor been proven yet? Just as likely that the new sensor might blow. Then again, haven't been keeping up to date with SS.

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resis - Reply to #357

It's less about the sensor, but about the implementation. Rival seems to have smoothing which people don't like. Companies always do this, implement features they think the user needs, which the sophisticated gamer does not like.

Aurora is designed with the demanding gamer in mind, so it may deliver in performance more than Rival, despite the older sensor, because of the software and implementation.

As for the shell. It may be OEM and nobody really likes it, but it is nearly identical to the legendary MX300 shape, which is a good shape.

Also, Rival weights a ton and has an ergonomic shape. Shape and weight are one of the most important elements in choosing a mouse, so in no way does the Rival make the Aurora obsolete.

Edited by resis at 15:46 CST, 23 November 2013

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XpArTy - Reply to #359

So much win here.

No Ninox fanboyism, just objective win.

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Anonymous (141.0.9.75) - Reply to #360

How can you say that when the Aurora uses the 4000 DPI SROM?

You think the PixArt/Avago designed 3310 isn't better than the 3090 Ninox mouse being worked on by some inexperienced guys?

You guys have no idea... Total fan-boys.

<< Comment #383 @ 15:11 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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petejones - Reply to #362

lol go away pathetic steelseries rep

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #359

Rival isn't the only 3310 sensor mouse.

Avior 7000 uses the 3310 sensor too.

<< Comment #361 @ 16:10 CST, 23 November 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #357

Because of extensive testing and thought into it. From the info we got it seems the Aurora will be flawless in all aspects, no shortcomings, no inconsistencies.

Remember the WMO is almost past millennium technology. Being new doesn't necessarily mean better.

<< Comment #364 @ 04:43 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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lemming#13

The only fanboys here are those who try to help SS or Razer sell more mice. The fact that a decade old mouse (WMO) is still considered one of the best mice out there for gaming speaks volumes about achievements of other mouse companies so far. Sensor performance has not improved much (if at all), instead we have a market filled up to the brim with so called features noone needs. Did someone really ask for

http://www.amazon.com/GHOST-SHARK-400-2000-Ex...ming+mouse

or

http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Catz-R-A-T-5-Gaming...ming+mouse

?

Noone. Yet things like this are what many companies believe to be the next step for an input device called pc-mouse. Add to this the fact that marketing has taken over with flashy lights, voiced announcements for DPI changing ("4000 DPI!!!!" screaming from your speakers, thank you Roccat!).

Maybe BSTs will fail. Maybe he won't deliver. But hell, looking at the hole fucking rest of the companies he's the only one right now walking uphill not downhill. And as long as that does not change, I hope the wait will be worth it.

Edited by nYshak at 04:44 CST, 24 November 2013

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zb0t - Reply to #364

Roccat aim assist.
Razer aim assist.
Call of Duty.

That's the reasons!

<< Comment #365 @ 05:04 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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Bob

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Edited by Bob at 21:44 CDT, 26 June 2024

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jamalz - Reply to #365

saving all ur money for asian hookers?

<< Comment #369 @ 11:45 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (109.38.95.255)

Hahaha! Yes I almost shat my pants when I heard that Roccat voice when switching DPI, laughed afterwards. Luckily you can turn it off. The drivers even came with some kind of ridiculous achievement system.

<< Comment #370 @ 17:43 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #369

Achievement "Double-Click" unlocked! Well done! Well done!

<< Comment #381 @ 10:37 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #370

Rank Up! Next DPI step unlocked.

<< Comment #382 @ 13:47 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #381

You have been promoted: High-Senser!

<< Comment #384 @ 17:39 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #382

Smoothing Perk available.

<< Comment #371 @ 20:20 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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ForsakTHREEn

Hi,
I am interested in buying a copy. =)

<< Comment #373 @ 23:22 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #371

Hi,

We all are son.

=)

<< Comment #374 @ 23:49 CST, 24 November 2013 >>

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gst800

All those people thinking that new = always better, are they retarded or something? 3390 is next to perfect sensor, perfect accuracy, 0 problems etc. You cant be better then then something perfect. It was proven so many times during recent decades that new technology that is forced on industry by big companies, can be worse then what already existed once. Look at 'laser sensors' which were supposed to be the 'future of progaming mice', where are they now? remember GODLY crt monitors with 160-200hz (i use a 200hz right now and laugh at ppl buying 144hz 2ms input lag lcd shits called 'gaming monitors' for 400$+ while there are still crts out there in good condition being sold for under 50$. Its all about marketing bullshit that most people just eat and think that they the most expensive new equipment to own. In reality, Most of the gaming accessories (not talking about pc parts okay) were already made PERFECT back in the days, and what is being made right now is WORSE then what was been made before. This rule applies to mice - old avago 3390 is perfect sensor and i cant imagine improving it really since there is nothing to improve, just need some new sensor technology (not laser) which will bring something completely unheard of to beat avago 3390. Same about mechanical keyboards made back in the days - they are still the best right now, same about crts - they are still FAR ahead of even most contemporary lcd bullshit with high ms input lag.

<< Comment #375 @ 00:32 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #374

tldr

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zb0t - Reply to #374

Good morning sir,

So you're quite excited in your fifth post, so I suggest that we keep things cool and chillzZz, do you agree? Well you don't have to of course, but then discussions will be a lot better if we keep it cool.
So you are not totally right or totally wrong. But because of your hatred towards the industry, and people, you totally got everything wrong. Again you should stay calm man, what's wrong :)?

If you had read this thread and the previous one (part one), you should have seen that BST has a different approach. First of all you started saying "big companies". BST does not own a huge corporation with stock holders as you might be thinking. I won't explain you everything because it's written all over ESR what he does and what is his situation as an entrepreneur. Also BST never claimed anywhere that his products will be far better than anything that existed until now as far as I remember. He is giving customers an alternative. It is not easy for everyone to get an hand on the old "perfect" mices for instance, or even some new ones. It can also be too expensive in the end for some people depending on their location.

About the CRT monitors, I love them, I still have one. But you can not stay back in the past. Flat monitors are great because they are not heavy and they are not taking that much space, also there is the power consumption problem, if it's whether or not eco-friendly. Investing in thinner monitors is great for people like me who loves managing their environment, and some other people might even have more reasons. One day, if the market does not slow down the progress too much, we will reach the point where CRT monitors will not have anything better at all. I think that the technology to surpass CRT is already here, but it's just too expensive, if I'm not wrong.

So yes the obsolescence being controlled and programmed, the thirst for the profit, etc is somehow a brake so we can't replace our dear CRT monitors with something that completely destroys them yet technically, but it's not as bad as you think.

It sounds a bit like you can't live your life normally if you don't have your CRT anymore, which I believe is not true. Try it.

And by the way, I don't know where you live, but the price of the Ninox Aurora is seriously low, to me at least, and as I can see many people on this website.

You can stick to what always worked great for you, nobody will hate you for that, nobody SHOULD NOT criticize you for doing that. But man, some people open their minds a bit more, and try new stuffs. If you can afford it, if you can take the risk to try something different, if you don't mind, then what's the problem?

Chill man.

<< Comment #413 @ 20:31 CST, 29 November 2013 >>

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Lam ' - Reply to #376

LCDs are still awful.

When they came, they cost 3x the price of a better CRT and their only selling point was size/weight (power savings were laughable due to price, and still are esp. now that people buy 27" and larger LCDs which take more power than my CRT).

So what happened here was a decision to stop production of a superior product to concentrate on making inferior but much more expensive product, then gradually improve it to sell more models, because the previous tech was simply too good already.

They're progressing of course and I'd say they're at a place CRT's were in the 80s. 10 more years and we'll see panels with viewing angles and speed and maybe without the horrible corner bleed that makes me cringe so hard. Another 10 years and even cheap models would be passable, but by then, some another display tech will be invented to repeat the history (OLEDs? flexible panels? Actual holographic displays?)

Of course I can live without a CRT. But it's not like a natural disaster that just happens and no one can do anything about it (which is when argument like yours applies). It's actual people changing the market for worse on purpose, to make more money in the course of decades. That's not ok.

In mice there were at least some decent models through the years, so you could get a good non-WMO but more expensive. In displays it's nothing like that.

<< Comment #414 @ 00:28 CST, 30 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #413

Yes but when flat panels were new on the market you had to be really crazy to switch during that time, it took me years before getting one, and even then I never used it 100% of my time. My argument about being whether or not capable to overcome the fact that CRTs are not that necessary anymore, I brought it for today's situation! About the market, yes it's people who worsened the current state, however the people can also better it! Many people who feel hatred towards these huge corporates don't understand the logic of profit. As customers many only see suppliers as people who follow their needs (which is not wrong) and ONLY THAT (which can be wrong). I'm not pro or against any side here (I feel like you put me on the capitalist side), I tried to explain him there is not really any reason to feel the way he did: you need to change business models, the market globally, or the mentality that reigns in general as I said in another post. Also, in the last part of the post you replied to, I kinda told him that he has the choice, if he did not then I'd understand his rant completely, if he can keep the good and old tech so go ahead and do that, it's fine! :)

Edited by zb0t at 00:29 CST, 30 November 2013

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Lam ' - Reply to #414

I don't see the choice. Where is it?

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zb0t - Reply to #424

if he can keep the good and old tech so go ahead and do that, it's fine!

If he didn't have the choice, then he would have to use something he doesn't want to, he doesn't like to. Is there an authority that prevents him from using a CRT? No. There is only the fact that companies ceased their production that can be seen as "bad" for him, but since we can still find them in second hand stores, etc, it's not like he does not have the choice.

How hard is it to see the choice here?

<< Comment #408 @ 00:15 CST, 29 November 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #374

I did a google search for the 3390 sensor but couldn't find any mice that use it.

Do you know which mice use it?

Not a single mouse here uses it: http://www.overclock.net/t/854100/gaming-mouse-sensor-list/0_50

<< Comment #410 @ 01:20 CST, 29 November 2013 >>

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Petru - Reply to #408

he confused 0 with 3, meant 3090

<< Comment #411 @ 17:21 CST, 29 November 2013 >>

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gst800 - Reply to #410

exactly, thanks for correcting, my bad!
also what are you talking about zb0t, have you even read what i typed out there? if anything, my message supports what bst does in every part of it, and when i talk about money and technologies gamers dont want, i am talking about not what bst does, but what the big companies like razer, logitech and others do - all they do is marketing and think about getting more money, without doing proper producs. Quality of mices is seriously low atm, bad cords, shitty sensors, strange (to say the least, look at those 10+ button mouses) design decisions etc.

<< Comment #412 @ 18:50 CST, 29 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #411

Yeah, well, you'll have to change mentalities, because most people are aware of how business sadly works sometimes :>. There is a lot to change.

<< Comment #377 @ 03:08 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (83.204.179.126)

call me for "new gaming mouse development part 3" thread))

<< Comment #378 @ 06:02 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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aodrus

ss rival's sensor is perfact

<< Comment #379 @ 09:28 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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neologan - Reply to #378

might be perfact, bit it's not perfect.

<< Comment #380 @ 09:40 CST, 25 November 2013 >>

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KittenIgnition

RELEVANT INLINE IMAGE INCOMING

Edited by KittenIgnition at 09:40 CST, 25 November 2013

<< Comment #385 @ 17:41 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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resis

I'm taking bets!

This year or next?

<< Comment #386 @ 18:35 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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fuku

Anyone know when "New gaming mouse development (part 3)" is coming out.

<< Comment #388 @ 20:50 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (90.2.34.82) - Reply to #386

probably just before part 4 or before we hear he got nought by a biger compagny or some shit story like that))

<< Comment #389 @ 22:10 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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aodrus - Reply to #386

maybe next life

<< Comment #387 @ 19:00 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (91.91.214.61)

I'm gonna fuck quit and stick with my WMO, i think i prefer the shape anyway, the mousepad and the mousefeet still interest me but idk, he post this thread the 5 october and according to him he should have give some news/photo about samples, we should have seen some review to i think but nothing happened 2 months later and he didnt give a sign of life since some time now..........

<< Comment #390 @ 22:37 CST, 26 November 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #387

I find funny how every year in this very same dates people have an urge to buy stuff, even without discounts and even if those aren't potential xmas gifts. Or in other words, a months difference doesn't matter.

<< Comment #392 @ 00:07 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #387

You can buy I-rocks 7810r now to see if you like shape. I'm pretty sure its the exact same shape, someone correct me if I'm wrong. http://www.overclock.net/t/1420402/i-rocks-7810r

<< Comment #393 @ 01:46 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #392

nah it's different
this is the same shell http://www.monsterlabs.co.kr/shop/product_detail.html?pd_no=31

<< Comment #394 @ 02:00 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #393

You're right. I-rocks looks wider at the back

EDIT: I think I like side buttons on the I-rocks more

Edited by terrorhead at 02:02 CST, 27 November 2013

<< Comment #395 @ 06:23 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (91.91.214.61) - Reply to #392

I have put a WMO pcb in a old logitech mouse shell, which is the same as aurora, and it seems i feel more control in cs with the classic WMO, probably because i palm the WMO lol.
(the shape is really identical, even the inside and the way of open it, 1screw and clip on the front)

<< Comment #396 @ 16:39 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77)

The end of the 3090 has begun: http://mionix.net/products/avior-7000/

Can anyone guess the next mouse to offer the 3310 over the 3090?

<< Comment #399 @ 18:01 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #396

My bet is Cooler Master and Razer.

<< Comment #400 @ 18:27 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #399

I think Cooler Master are going to be the next company to bring out a 3310 over the 3090. That is if they can hurry up and finish their firmware development.

I don't think Razer will offer a 3310, at least not any time soon. Nor do I think Logitech will offer a 3310 in their G400. Zowie might offer the 3310 in their mice after they fix all the issues with their mice first.

I wonder how long it will take before they discontinue the 3090.

<< Comment #401 @ 20:10 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #400

Zowie, of course. How could I forget that.

<< Comment #398 @ 17:43 CST, 27 November 2013 >>

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wem420

You can tell when there's something to it. Look at all these posts its not trolling constantly . Its peoplenot working on a great product for the community. I'll definitely check this out as the reviews are good

<< Comment #402 @ 03:40 CST, 28 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (89.135.4.138)

I'm still so depressed that the Velocity was cancelled. It would have been the God Mouse for those of us with a fingertip grip. But I guess the Aurora will just have to do, if it ever comes out that is. By the time it does, gaming with a mouse and keyboard will be dead and I will be in my 30s.

<< Comment #404 @ 09:33 CST, 28 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #402

It's never too late mate.

<< Comment #406 @ 15:26 CST, 28 November 2013 >>

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grume - Reply to #402

aurora is finger tip too isn't it? and the pcb fits inside the WMO

<< Comment #409 @ 00:17 CST, 29 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (89.135.4.138) - Reply to #406

Yes, but the Velocity is lighter and therefore more ideal for fingertip grip. According to the previous thread the Velocity is 10-15g lighter, which to me is a big deal.

<< Comment #415 @ 07:28 CST, 30 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #409

Should Aurora do well, there might be a chance for a revival of Velocity.

Although I'd hope that if Aurora becomes a financial success for BST, that he develops an own shell and offers that same shell in two size variants - the normal size for palm/claw and a small size for claw/fingertip. Both sporting the ADNS-3310 sensor.

That would be the ultimate.

Edited by resis at 07:29 CST, 30 November 2013

<< Comment #416 @ 07:37 CST, 30 November 2013 >>

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Petru - Reply to #415

3310 gives nothing to hardcore gamers, only hardware interpolated 5000 dpi for more latency and 50dpi steps for shitty games where you cant set exact sensitivity.

Edited by Berserker1 at 07:38 CST, 30 November 2013

<< Comment #418 @ 16:16 CST, 30 November 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #416

"50dpi steps for shitty games where you cant set exact sensitivity"

Which is exactly what I'd like to have with a LED optical mouse.

<< Comment #421 @ 20:12 CST, 1 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #418

Considering how long people have been using their WMOs or the IME3.0s, simply because they work well, regardless of how old they are, I see no real reason for bst to jump on a new sensor for the sake of it being a new sensor.

I'd like to see bst reusing the sensor and firmware of the Aurora for a palm-grip shell mouse for those who palm grip.

Taking the likes of the WMO as an example again, the 3090 is more than good enough to stand the test of time. Take the working formula --> reappropriate it for a different product aimed at a different demographic --> profit. Look at the FK/AM/EC2 eVo, for example. Maybe slap some extra buttons for macros and market it towards MMO players.

If bst were to make a followup product on the same platform but with tweaks to the shell/buttons/switches/etc., it's possible we'd get a followup product with a shorter development time, and a bigger crowd using the Ninox brand.

I can totally see the Aurora being used a decade on from now, provided it's as good as the hype surrounding it, and I don't have a reason to doubt it, either.

<< Comment #485 @ 19:18 CST, 16 December 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #421

> and I don't have a reason to doubt it, either.

I do.

The FK has sensor issues. Of course each mouse can implement the sensor differently, but the fact that the only 3090 mouse I've tried has sensor problems gives me plenty of reason to doubt.

<< Comment #486 @ 19:45 CST, 16 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #485

A single sample of a single model is hardly statistically significant.

I intend no disrespect, but a single mouse cannot be representative of the sensor.

As well as that, while your experience was a negative one, and it is in fact as valid as a positive one, it is still a personal account, which merely indicates that the mouse did not work for you. For the average user, it may not have been something even remotely noticeable, for a top-tier player, it may simply be something to put up with, as the pros outweigh the cons (WMO for Rapha, for example).

Whatever the case, I was driving at the point that people have been using various mouses with quite significant 'issues' for years, and have simply put up with them, writing it off as the character of that mouse (neg accel for WMO, hardware accel for the Kinzu, very specific operating window for G100s, etc.). There's nothing to say that the vastly superior sensor of the Aurora cannot be in demand as long as that of the WMO.

**EDIT** Forgot to put this in before I hit 'submit'. Not trying to start a shitstorm or come off as some passive-aggresive asshole. This is honestly what I think. =)

Edited by XpArTy at 19:46 CST, 16 December 2013

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zb0t - Reply to #486

If you add the smiley at the end it will never look so bad. What would the internet be without smileys? Think about it! Sometimes to avoid the confusion I also add "haha/hihi", I think it works even better! By the way before I read your edit I didn't think you were mad.

Edit: writing this post made me chuckle a little, because how silly people takes everything the wrong way online!

Edited by zb0t at 20:03 CST, 16 December 2013

<< Comment #488 @ 20:18 CST, 16 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #487

Had a massive fight today, shit mood, no motivation, but if Maximillian is in a shit mood as he's reading my response to him, he might take it the wrong way, and damnit I can't stand for that! xD

That's the weird thing: I'm fucking enraged as I'm typing that post, yet I go out of my way to both, come across as neutral as possible as I have no beef with the guy, and state that in as overly-obvious fashion as possible to avoid misunderstanding, all the while knowing that it's only the internet, and people are perfectly capable of shrugging online arguments off anyway.

Fuck it... wanna hug it out?

<< Comment #403 @ 06:36 CST, 28 November 2013 >>

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presha

I couldn't wait and I've ordered Kana v2. Turns out it had some defects, windows didn't recognize it, had to RMA it.
I've learned my lesson, I will wait patienty now. I'm sorry :)

<< Comment #405 @ 09:34 CST, 28 November 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #403

So you're not using the Kana anymore?

<< Comment #407 @ 16:05 CST, 28 November 2013 >>

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presha - Reply to #405

the problem is I wasn't even able to test it, windows didnt recognize it, there are some problems with firmware. I've sent it back, hopefully they will send me a new one.
Using my old dying XAI atm...

<< Comment #417 @ 12:11 CST, 30 November 2013 >>

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fuku

CM will be releasing new mice lineup at CES. I'm looking forward to the new CM Spawn v2 (with 3310 sensor).

<< Comment #419 @ 21:55 CST, 30 November 2013 >>

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Anonymous (50.135.222.106)

So uhh... didn't he say the website and preorders were going to be up "in a couple days" a month ago? What happened? Would at least like to here some kind of update from him...

<< Comment #420 @ 18:09 CST, 1 December 2013 >>

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platypus - Reply to #419

It'll be the preorder bonus for Half Life 3

<< Comment #422 @ 12:55 CST, 2 December 2013 >>

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RentoN

Hmm no update by bst in a while.
Wonder what that means.

<< Comment #423 @ 13:37 CST, 2 December 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #422

Yeah me too. Hope he has not been hit by a bus or something.

<< Comment #426 @ 04:24 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.140) - Reply to #423

He probably was told that the 3090 is being discontinued. He has to start over again using the 3310. So expect to wait another 3 years. This is why you never tell anyone about your product before it actually exists. =P

For those of you who don't know. Avago shutdown their sensor business. They sold/licensed their technology/product to PixArt. PixArt then created the 3310 using Avago's framework. This is the sensor that will be in future mice that aren't laser mice. There is already two products being sold with this sensor. It appears CM Storm is also going to unveil some future 3310 products very soon.

The 3310 could be much better than the 3090 would ever be. The pin layout is different, a slight increase of FPS, angle tuning / angle snapping options, increased accuracy potential, power optimization, internal oscillator, updated DSP and more. Downside: it looks like the pin layout is going to increase PCB size, increasing the total weight of mice. I don't even think it was necessary to have so many pins for the 3310.

I hope this 3310 sensor isn't reaching these crazy 4+ m/s malfunction speeds because it is relying on angle snapping rather than total frames captured. I like angle snapping as an option, not a requirement. If that is the case the 3090 will be better in this area. No one wants to be stuck with a angle snapping reliant sensor for 5-10 years.

<< Comment #427 @ 04:42 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #426

Edited by terrorhead at 05:19 CST, 3 December 2013

<< Comment #447 @ 22:33 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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flocks - Reply to #427

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

<< Comment #428 @ 04:46 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #426

Source about the 3090 being discontinued? :/

<< Comment #429 @ 05:15 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #426

pls be kidding.

<< Comment #433 @ 07:27 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #429

The first paragraph is me being facetious. I cannot say with any certainty that the 3090 is being retired. Why wouldn't it be?

The rest of what I said is not a joke.

<< Comment #436 @ 08:33 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #433

Why would it be retired? What kind of business logic is that?

Still is weird he hasn't been here in quite a while.

Edited by megaman3 at 08:34 CST, 3 December 2013

<< Comment #430 @ 05:30 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #426

ROFL!

That would be fucking hilarious and sad for BST

<< Comment #431 @ 05:37 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #426

"3. It is not necessary that 3310 has to use a larger PCB than 3090. In our case, we need to have LOGO LED, that is what the rear part for."

From OCN Mionix rep
http://www.overclock.net/t/1447157/mionix-avi...review/110

<< Comment #434 @ 07:27 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #431

That is a lot of resistors for a LED.

Let's hope that larger boards are not required. That would ruin small, light weight mice if it is.

<< Comment #435 @ 07:33 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #434

Yeh I'd like to believe him, because if not then that's the end for small lightweight mice.

<< Comment #448 @ 00:03 CST, 5 December 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #426

3090 is not being discontinued and not gonna be for the next few years

<< Comment #449 @ 05:12 CST, 5 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.75) - Reply to #448

Source?

<< Comment #451 @ 09:31 CST, 5 December 2013 >>

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steffo - Reply to #449

http://components.arrow.com/part/detail/0323_02812970 ?

<< Comment #432 @ 05:45 CST, 3 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #423

"Last Login: 1 Dec 2013"

D:

<< Comment #437 @ 01:34 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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Venim - Reply to #432

wtf damnit. my mouse is crapping out. bst give me a prototype aurora =CCCCCCCCC

<< Comment #438 @ 03:04 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #437

49%

<< Comment #445 @ 20:09 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (82.124.59.101) - Reply to #438

stop making awesome .gifs.

ps: pls continu.

<< Comment #533 @ 09:39 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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kenZu - Reply to #438

n1 one

<< Comment #840 @ 21:34 CDT, 15 June 2014 >>

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_agu - Reply to #438

n1!

<< Comment #439 @ 14:23 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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no_il - Reply to #432

I don't understand why he wouldn't bother updating us on what's the situation if he visited the site.
It's much better to be honest with your consumer base then to leave them confused; especially if things aren't going as planned and set-backs occur.

Edited by no_il at 14:24 CST, 4 December 2013

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zb0t - Reply to #439

Hey no,

Seems like everyone is disappointed: http://www.overclock.net/t/1240739/bsts-gaming-mouse/1250

In his last posts I thought everything was going to be fine, but yeah, if the mouse comes then it's great, if it won't well... he has to tell us :D.

<< Comment #440 @ 15:05 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (91.91.214.61)

Something is defenitely wrong at this point anyway, i hope he will at least release the mousepad.

<< Comment #443 @ 19:05 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.158) - Reply to #440

I would like a very smooth red mouse pad. Couldn't he being selling those this month? Come on now!

<< Comment #442 @ 17:35 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy

bst, please come back.

<< Comment #444 @ 19:09 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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jamalz

yo bst get me a prototype of the ninox aurora even if you getting shut down

:o

<< Comment #446 @ 21:07 CST, 4 December 2013 >>

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pet_cia_mole

RIP Bst 12/4/2013

<< Comment #450 @ 05:13 CST, 5 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (37.221.172.226)

Rockin' an M305 until this comes out ._. Otherwise I'll most likely get a Zowie FK. I'm assuming a G400s is too big for my hands + I heard the cord really sucks... Also not used to playing with a full palm grip.

<< Comment #452 @ 19:01 CST, 5 December 2013 >>

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resis

O bst, why thou hast abandoned us!

Edited by resis at 19:01 CST, 5 December 2013

<< Comment #453 @ 19:13 CST, 5 December 2013 >>

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sonic - Reply to #452

he has absconded with his ill gotten gains and is now smoking crack cocaine with hookers in belize

<< Comment #454 @ 09:52 CST, 6 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (81.155.136.202)

Yeah, considering getting a Zowie FK.

If this mouse ever releases, will it be good for fingertip grips?

<< Comment #456 @ 15:30 CST, 6 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (207.244.72.195) - Reply to #454

I don't think so as he's designing it as a small, claw-grip-oriented mouse, which is just like a Zowie FK.

<< Comment #489 @ 21:36 CST, 16 December 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #454

It looks like it should be good for all 3 grips.

<< Comment #455 @ 10:22 CST, 6 December 2013 >>

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maza

hehe @ people who get upset with him not logging in ESR for a few days :E

<< Comment #465 @ 21:13 CST, 9 December 2013 >>

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TheGood - Reply to #455

Kind of sad when he hasn't said anything in a whole month when the approximate dates are almost here...

<< Comment #635 @ 10:18 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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maza - Reply to #465

OK license to worry now, go! :)

<< Comment #457 @ 10:49 CST, 7 December 2013 >>

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resis

Come on bst, your street cred is at stake, mate!

<< Comment #458 @ 18:25 CST, 8 December 2013 >>

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aodrus

is he dead?

<< Comment #459 @ 19:39 CST, 8 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #458

No ^_^.

<< Comment #460 @ 21:34 CST, 8 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #459

Did he died, though?

<< Comment #461 @ 21:35 CST, 8 December 2013 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #460

coma

<< Comment #466 @ 14:10 CST, 10 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #461

Quake Live addiction rehab.

<< Comment #462 @ 12:43 CST, 9 December 2013 >>

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abso

got a g100s today and it feels rly good

Edited by abso at 12:44 CST, 9 December 2013

<< Comment #463 @ 14:00 CST, 9 December 2013 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #462

Feels good man.

<< Comment #464 @ 14:41 CST, 9 December 2013 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #462

How good do you feel?

<< Comment #467 @ 14:10 CST, 10 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #462

Must feel real good.

<< Comment #468 @ 14:23 CST, 11 December 2013 >>

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7ep3s - Reply to #462

It really feels good.

27%

<< Comment #469 @ 17:24 CST, 11 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #468

I feel you.

<< Comment #471 @ 21:22 CST, 11 December 2013 >>

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7ep3s - Reply to #469

i lold so hard :D

<< Comment #473 @ 14:53 CST, 13 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #471

Your drawing is hilarious.

<< Comment #472 @ 06:30 CST, 13 December 2013 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #468

The fuck is this :(

<< Comment #470 @ 17:31 CST, 11 December 2013 >>

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sonic

how does he do that backwards d in his nick

<< Comment #496 @ 05:16 CST, 19 December 2013 >>

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Zhinky - Reply to #470

q

<< Comment #474 @ 14:57 CST, 13 December 2013 >>

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resis

I was in a store today and laid down my hand on various gaming mice that there were.

Out of all smaller mice, Abyssus, Roccat Lua and the other, the G100S had the best shape hands down. I would have bought it right away if I didn't know about the poor sensor implementation.

Aurora is like this but with a better sensor (I suppose) and side buttons. All I need.

<< Comment #475 @ 15:18 CST, 13 December 2013 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #474

what makes you think the g100s has a 'poor sensor implentation'?

<< Comment #477 @ 11:59 CST, 14 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #475

If it hadn't, half the people here would have no reason to be here.

If it had side buttons, I'd have no reason to be here either, then.

Edited by resis at 11:59 CST, 14 December 2013

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XpArTy - Reply to #477

500cpi/500hz

ADNS3090 eat your 'eart out.

<< Comment #476 @ 16:22 CST, 13 December 2013 >>

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megaman3

ETA: December 2013 - Janurary 2014 (more accurate ETA will be given the closer to the release date things get). Also, when I say ETA, I mean delivered to your door. [emphasis mine]

<< Comment #478 @ 12:27 CST, 14 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #476

Last day of January is still far :D

<< Comment #479 @ 14:47 CST, 14 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.75) - Reply to #478

One day shipping from China!? Really?

It takes at least 2 weeks to get a shipment from China to the port. It would not be unusual if it took 4 weeks to receive shipments. This does not include shipping to your door from the retailer.

Manufacturing a small batch takes 4 weeks or more. Unless they have large molds or have been making parts early.

It's been about 2 weeks since BST logged in and his last post was Nov. 14. The last time he updated his newsletter was March 25, 2013.

It's odd when the new PMW3310DH came out he went silent. This whole Ninox Aurora situation is odd. It does not take this long to bring out an OEM product, it doesn't take this long to develop a new product. There has been at least 5 new mice released and 2 new sensors developed before this Ninox product.

<< Comment #480 @ 15:27 CST, 14 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #479

Last time he logged in was 5 days ago (not on ESR :D). Whatever he's doing, we have no choice but to wait, I bought a Kana v2, but if his mouse will be out I'll get one :).

<< Comment #481 @ 19:11 CST, 14 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #479

I agree, this shouldn't have taken that long, even with all the factory back and forth.

I actually had the though, that perhaps he changes the sensor on the Aurora to the 3310 and thus the delay. Honestly I wouldn't mind, as I intend to use the mouse for some time if it turns out to be good. Better future proof.

Whatever the reason, I'm sure there's a good one.

<< Comment #483 @ 18:14 CST, 15 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy

Someone get hold of bst's personal email.

We'll get Zhu to spam his inbox with sub-par 10+ minute vlogs, from a million different accounts, every day until he comes back and lets us know what's going on.

<< Comment #490 @ 13:36 CST, 17 December 2013 >>

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blackmesatech - Reply to #483

I haven't received any response from him via email for a while now. Hope he's okay.

<< Comment #491 @ 14:56 CST, 17 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #490

All the jokes and immaturity aside, I feel the same.

I'll go with the idea of bst being buried with work, especially this time of year, but there's definitely a bit of concern.

<< Comment #492 @ 02:41 CST, 18 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #491

I feel like a stalker checking if he's logged in recently or not :[.

<< Comment #493 @ 09:25 CST, 18 December 2013 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #492

Like that makes a difference. If he logs in then he will most likely post anyway. Its not like he has to log in to read comments.

Edited by acid_reptile at 14:28 CST, 18 December 2013

<< Comment #494 @ 10:28 CST, 18 December 2013 >>

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GreenMeanie

Gamdias Demeter Optical Mouse
Does anyone know anything about this mouse?
http://www.gamdias.com/en/p/demetergms5000/

<< Comment #498 @ 22:06 CST, 20 December 2013 >>

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aodrus - Reply to #494

i have two gamdias mouse. hades, zeus
not this one but i can tell you one thing.
never buy

<< Comment #503 @ 08:20 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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GreenMeanie - Reply to #498

I thought so.
The styling of their products/Website was ringing alarm bells.
The Zeus mouse was the ultimate warning.

<< Comment #495 @ 05:14 CST, 19 December 2013 >>

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Qvist

This mouse looks great in most aspects, good size, low weight, good sensor, reasonable price etc.

The one thing I'm unsure about for me personally is that the mouse looks narrow at the back. I've always preferred mice with a "wide ass", my previous mouse was abyssus and I'm using ime 3.0 atm. I've never used a wmo but it looks like a "wide ass" mouse aswell :]

It's hard to tell for sure from pictures but it's my impression from what I've seen.

<< Comment #497 @ 11:59 CST, 20 December 2013 >>

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promyy

I'm getting really sad.

Judging by the size and weight of this mouse it would be a pretty good change for my current mouse. The price is also neat.

I hope it comes out soon :(

<< Comment #499 @ 05:31 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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jamalz

Pretty sure bst is changing the sensor to the new one. Because casuals will always flock to whatever is newer even if it's shittier.

This is why he is dodging us, because it's going to add some more months onto the project and he'll get assraped when he tells us that.

Either that or he got hit by a bus and we're all fucked.

<< Comment #500 @ 06:22 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #499

this mouse wasn't build to appeal to casuals anyway, so he won't change the sensor(which is not discontinued soon either) now when the mouse is basically finished.

<< Comment #501 @ 06:52 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #499

Nah mate, he ain't gone, didn't get hit by a bus or anything sad like this!

<< Comment #502 @ 07:50 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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Petru

Something went very wrong if hes silent.
If wont come out in January for sure.

<< Comment #504 @ 08:25 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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GreenMeanie

I definitely need this mouse, I just got a 5/32 rail acc in duel.

Edited by GreenMeanie at 08:25 CST, 21 December 2013

<< Comment #505 @ 08:26 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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ja ja ve ve - Reply to #504

rail is the weapon thats least dependant on good mice :p

<< Comment #506 @ 08:34 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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GreenMeanie - Reply to #505

What is it dependant on then?

<< Comment #507 @ 08:51 CST, 21 December 2013 >>

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ja ja ve ve - Reply to #506

map-knowledge

<< Comment #514 @ 17:25 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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endstufe - Reply to #505

depends if we're talking scrub camp predict strafe rails or sick flick 420 twitch snap shots

<< Comment #508 @ 15:05 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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NitroBullet

If he does not respond by January, this project = dead.

<< Comment #509 @ 15:56 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #508

More like he lost all of his credibility.

<< Comment #512 @ 17:09 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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7ep3s - Reply to #508

BST pls help us.

<< Comment #510 @ 16:43 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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pvh

Sad Christmas, no bstmouse :'(

<< Comment #511 @ 16:55 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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Teen Queen '

Sorry bst but I think I'm going with zowie, I've been waiting for far too long and you don't even bother coming online on your supposed release date.

No info whatsoever, you cannot expect people to endorse your product if you keep popping up once every few months with only one word.

"soon"

<< Comment #513 @ 17:16 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #511

what if he writes

C O O L L E R
O
O
L
L
E
R

too bad zowie already did it

<< Comment #515 @ 19:00 CST, 24 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy

Fuck it, G100s, here I come.

<< Comment #516 @ 08:16 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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thuNDa

you guys will buy this mouse anyways, he can take his time. :P

<< Comment #520 @ 14:56 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #516

Depends on the next move of Cooler Master.

<< Comment #527 @ 17:37 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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endstufe - Reply to #520

*Master Cooller

<< Comment #524 @ 16:20 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #516

The market is not the same as when the mouse was announced. Back in 2011 there were very few good alternatives and brands, whereas now it's more a matter of preference since lots of mice work (almost) flawlessly and don't take more than two years to finish a product..

<< Comment #526 @ 17:04 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #524

sure, but there are still alot of people who will buy this mouse anyways, even if they just bought other mice not long ago.
the target audience is still ready to buy ASAP.

if what jamalz wrote below is true tho, he must have changed his ambitions with this project, and then the new target audience might already be satisfied with actual available mice.

<< Comment #528 @ 19:10 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #526

Question is what actual available mice out there, that combine that shape, that weight, good optical sensor, good (omron) switches and not overpriced? Tell me and I buy it at the instant!

You know, it is 2014 and since 2011 I still have not the mouse that I truly want, and I don't really see anything like the Aurora on the horizon, yet.

That is why I am looking at Cooler Master, because chances are their next optical (beside the Spawn "reboot") may be worth looking into.

Razer? Not with Synapse, no way.

Roccat? Overpriced and over the top, but if they come up with something close to as described above, given their product quality, than I might budge, though I don't see it coming, because they'll rather come up with something over the top.

SteelSeries? There is always something about their mice that they screw up, KanaV2 had the single side buttons, Rival is large and heavy, etc. I gave up on them.

Mionix? Overpriced.

Zowie? Weird dpi, lens, switches...

So who do you think will give us the mouse we want? I don't see many options.

Edited by resis at 19:11 CST, 25 December 2013

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thuNDa - Reply to #528

well, you are one of those who BST must have had in mind when starting this project.

if he reaches for a bigger market(not even the "over the top" market), he has to compete with the other products aimed at this bigger market also.

and there are the products you mentioned, which are at aleast also OK products. (kana, FK, savu, abyssus, g100s)

<< Comment #517 @ 11:57 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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krayzee

Fuck it, Kana v2, here I come :'<

<< Comment #519 @ 12:26 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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Rjven - Reply to #517

do you know if the kana v2 is available in Europe yet?

<< Comment #534 @ 11:57 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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krayzee - Reply to #519

I found a shop here in slovenia that has it http://www.funtech.si/si/vsi-oddelki/tipkovni...ske/28674/ . amazon.de had it too iirc

<< Comment #536 @ 12:37 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #534

Yeah got mine on Amazon \o/.

<< Comment #537 @ 13:43 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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Rjven - Reply to #534

lol. I didn't even bother checking before asking. Even amazon.fr has it haha. Thanks!

<< Comment #518 @ 12:07 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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KittenIgnition

This is sad.

<< Comment #521 @ 15:34 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #518

A little birdy confirmed to me that he is putting in that new sensor but it is going to take a while longer. So he is also doing the velocity shell at the same time and working on a keyboard.

Shit will be released soon, calm down niggas.

<< Comment #523 @ 16:16 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #521

He took years to perfect the implementation of the previous sensor (since 2011), and if that info is true now he is working on a sensor that very few have experience on and isn't as documented as well.

In other words, this new delay is because of the previous delays, most probably the finished product won't be as good and nowhere near the first announced release date. If what you wrote is true I call vaporware already, as it isn't the same product at the expected time/moment.

To be honest I have no interest on a keyboard if he doesn't have the knowledge to make one, just like happens with the mousepad. Seems like this company is roccat 2.0.

<< Comment #525 @ 16:47 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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promyy - Reply to #521

This just made everything 10x worse.

<< Comment #529 @ 19:22 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #521

Well, I suspected that the new sensor might be in place, and the reason for delay. For product longevity it makes sense and I'd appreciate to have a better mouse and can wait longer because of this, but if it is true, than it would have been best if the developer himself wouldn't have ceased communication.

As for the Velocity and keyboard, I'd rather wish he invested into making a custom shell for the Aurora, but that probably wouldn't be a good business decision, best to release more OEM products at lower price.

But hey, this is all just rumor, right...

Seriously though, I give it three more months, than I'm gonna rage.

<< Comment #530 @ 19:50 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #521

I am seriously dissapoint.

Wouldn't it be still worth-- considering the entire development history and where the mouse is right now-- to go all in, call it the Aurora LE, release a small batch of however many thousand sensors can be bought at this stage, and then proceed the work on the Velocity/Aurora V2 with the 3310.

I mean the mouse is practically complete, and while the unlimited supply of old sensors is no longer available, one would cut the losses and release the Aurora in a limited capacity to have *something* out there. Hell, the demand/supply would be worth it alone.

<< Comment #535 @ 12:33 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #521

What are the advantages of the 3310 over the 3090 (if any)?

<< Comment #538 @ 14:07 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #535

higher DPI. LOL

<< Comment #539 @ 14:28 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #538

:D

Nothing else then?

<< Comment #541 @ 15:22 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #539

also what's written below, but on the steelseries rival you read bad things about tracking already.
maybe they can be fixed by using a different firmware with lower DPI.

Edited by thuNDa at 15:23 CST, 26 December 2013

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koOma - Reply to #541

perfect tracking on 400dpi atleast.

<< Comment #563 @ 17:44 CST, 29 December 2013 >>

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MaximilianKohler - Reply to #555

Have you used a MLT04 sensor mouse?

<< Comment #565 @ 21:24 CST, 29 December 2013 >>

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koOma - Reply to #563

yeah the IME 1.1 and 3.0. imo the Rival is like a flawless 3.0: no negative accel, way better build quality, functioning scroll wheel.

<< Comment #540 @ 14:32 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #538

I thought 50 dpi step increments are also possible. Bst wanted to have this with the Aurora, but gave up on this endeavor with the 3090 sensor eventually.

I think there's a chance that with the 3310 he could finally realize his initial ideas with this mouse. I am definitely looking forward to a optical mouse that allows for 50 dpi step increments.

Edited by resis at 14:34 CST, 26 December 2013

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thuNDa - Reply to #540

he wrote that his A3090 was working perfectly already with its firmware.
i don't know if it's reasonable to go through all the sensor adjustment again, with the delay the mouse already has at this time, just for 50 dpi increaments(while it had native 800DPI step and halfed from this 400DPI, which should't feel noticably worse in reality).

Edited by thuNDa at 15:31 CST, 26 December 2013

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resis - Reply to #542

3090 may be perfectly fine, but I guess bst wants the best possible components. If I was making a mouse, I would, too.

If this rumor is actually true, than I think it may be simply the better decision for the future if you will look back at it from there.

<< Comment #548 @ 00:19 CST, 27 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.62) - Reply to #538

That and much more.

<< Comment #522 @ 15:57 CST, 25 December 2013 >>

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0x5f3759df

just really disappointed at how this all has turned out.

<< Comment #532 @ 08:47 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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nvc

I'm sure it's worth the wait, the two beta samples I have here are great products.

<< Comment #543 @ 17:39 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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Shuki - Reply to #532

I hate you so much right now.

<< Comment #544 @ 18:00 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #543

worolol

<< Comment #545 @ 18:24 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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resis - Reply to #532

The old betas or kind of new?

<< Comment #547 @ 20:03 CST, 26 December 2013 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #532

Beta samples? Proof?

<< Comment #556 @ 04:23 CST, 28 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #547

nvc is one of the beta testers, he had a video testing it in Q3 CPMA etc but he deleted it, I know L1nkin too, he even used that BST mouse during ESWC to win the Shootmania tournament :D.

<< Comment #560 @ 08:26 CST, 29 December 2013 >>

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nvc - Reply to #556

removed my entire channel, still have that video though!

<< Comment #561 @ 08:39 CST, 29 December 2013 >>

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nvc - Reply to #547

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2gqkehkgytegfkx/20131229_142956.jpg?m=

My girlfriend uses the other at her place :)

<< Comment #549 @ 04:15 CST, 27 December 2013 >>

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NitroBullet

This mouse will come

<< Comment #550 @ 10:02 CST, 27 December 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #549

Hardly the same announced product though, if it has a different sensor and is released within a more than one year delay.

But more than that, isn't it weird that he simply disappeared, leaving customers wondering what happened? I mean who does that.

<< Comment #554 @ 02:46 CST, 28 December 2013 >>

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NitroBullet - Reply to #549

I actually meant to say, "This mouse will come with HL3 is released" but I logged in before i finished my line LOL

<< Comment #557 @ 04:24 CST, 28 December 2013 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #554

Now you have to correct the sentence again :D.

<< Comment #551 @ 10:18 CST, 27 December 2013 >>

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Qvist

I'm just glad he took the initiative to try making a mouse at all and has kept us updated throughout the development. If the mouse is delayed then he probably has a good reason for it.

He could have said nothing until the mouse was ready to ship and noone would know about delays or have a reason to complain.

<< Comment #552 @ 16:32 CST, 27 December 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #551

Sure, but once you make the mistake and inform people too soon, you should stick with it and not stop in the middle of things. I mean, all it would take is a post "Sry, nothing new yet." every month. Instead bst set a release date, then (supposedly) changed plans and told nobody. Not good.

Edited by nYshak at 16:32 CST, 27 December 2013

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kevz - Reply to #552

what exactly is too soon about december 2013 - january 2014?

is it 2014 already?

<< Comment #562 @ 12:55 CST, 29 December 2013 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #559

No, but he basically announced this thing 2 years back. No matter what you post, if you're going to stop posting you should at least say so. Otherwise people will start making assumptions. In general that's not a good thing :)

If the mouse hits Jan 2014 I'll be happy though.

Edited by nYshak at 12:55 CST, 29 December 2013

<< Comment #564 @ 18:04 CST, 29 December 2013 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #562

He announced this back in 2011. It's been that much.

<< Comment #553 @ 16:52 CST, 27 December 2013 >>

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Anonymous (80.222.117.144)

What about PMW-3310 sensor on it? like "Ninox Aurora X" or "Ninox Aurora v2" with 6400 DPI ( 50g acceleration sensor!)

<< Comment #558 @ 05:54 CST, 28 December 2013 >>

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azxx

Can someone please outline what the differences are between the 3090 and 3310 sensors? I don't see the point of using the 3310 even for longevity, the 3090 was perfected and will do well for everyone who will buy this mouse. The 3310 could be worked on later, after this one is released. The delays are a pity because this mouse fit every damn criteria for me. "If it ain't broke why fix it" applies here.

<< Comment #566 @ 22:14 CST, 2 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.155)

Tick, tock...

<< Comment #567 @ 04:39 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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azxx - Reply to #566

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5YrTggp56Y

<< Comment #569 @ 05:48 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #567

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlJ9n15L3gk

<< Comment #570 @ 06:09 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #567

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6XpLQM2Cs

<< Comment #571 @ 06:50 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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krayzee - Reply to #567

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtR-zM1YVVA :D

<< Comment #568 @ 04:59 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #566

Last Online:

2 weeks ago

\o/

<< Comment #572 @ 22:35 CST, 3 January 2014 >>

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foogs

Hey bst where's my fuckin mouse bruh? It's January and I'm not seeing it at my door.

<< Comment #573 @ 00:04 CST, 4 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #572

I do see my betasamples for 1.5 year :D

<< Comment #574 @ 06:12 CST, 5 January 2014 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #573

Relevant username.

<< Comment #576 @ 20:47 CST, 5 January 2014 >>

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nlmiller0015

I wonder what is the Deathadder 2013 Frames per second its not listed on the site its not using the same sensor as the SS rival or Minox 7000 its a adns 3988

<< Comment #575 @ 20:47 CST, 5 January 2014 >>

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nlmiller0015

o.o

<< Comment #577 @ 13:46 CST, 6 January 2014 >>

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XpArTy

A little birdie told me that the Aurora, the mouse to be the new king in the competitive shooter scene, will come as part of a special bundle for the upcoming FPS title Reborn.

<< Comment #578 @ 13:58 CST, 6 January 2014 >>

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promyy - Reply to #577

Or Half-Life 3, for that matter.

<< Comment #582 @ 14:43 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #577

Haha, I hope this isn't true. Why do people pin their hopes on a player that has no game-design background?

<< Comment #600 @ 08:09 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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skint - Reply to #582

Didn't he have something to do with that MOBA (lol) that he was promoting? Can't remember the name of it.

<< Comment #602 @ 08:57 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #600

I think it was HoN or something. Then again, it's a MOBA, so might as well be called that one MOBA. xD

<< Comment #603 @ 08:58 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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skint - Reply to #602

it began with B im sure of it!

<< Comment #604 @ 10:42 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #603

Bloodline Champions?

<< Comment #605 @ 10:43 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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skint - Reply to #604

that's the one!

<< Comment #579 @ 12:01 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (78.28.19.169)

i just sometime like now came here to read some stuff 4 fun. Something about year ago i just realize that is just pure carrot 4 donkeyz you want it but u cant get it

<< Comment #580 @ 13:19 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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promyy - Reply to #579

It took me 3 minutes to understand this comment. Should I be ashamed of myself?

<< Comment #634 @ 09:39 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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MarzenGold - Reply to #580

Yes ;)

<< Comment #581 @ 14:17 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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sleek

hey testers, were the beta samples the 3050 ones, 3090 ones or each of both?

<< Comment #583 @ 14:53 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #581

Both, but they aren't final samples

<< Comment #584 @ 15:27 CST, 7 January 2014 >>

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sleek - Reply to #583

yeah i know, was just wondering whether any one of you were willing to depart from their 3050 specimen in exchange for some.. uh money. :D or would that be breaking the rules in the "testers contract" hehe?

<< Comment #585 @ 11:01 CST, 12 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13

January is here. So I guess we've got 2-3 more weeks till we call this project dead if bst does not show anymore :)?

<< Comment #586 @ 17:35 CST, 12 January 2014 >>

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kevz - Reply to #585

i like my ec1 evo cl. bst can take all the time he needs :P

<< Comment #588 @ 18:42 CST, 12 January 2014 >>

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XpArTy - Reply to #586

I'm rather bored of my MS Intellimouse. By bored, I mean in need of something else even for desktop use. By Intellimouse, I mean the old one. You know, the one with the ball.

Sodding optical mice breaking when you need them for things.

<< Comment #587 @ 17:43 CST, 12 January 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #585

This is delay N° 99.

If it doesn't use the 3090 sensor then it's a dead project. It took him close to 3 years to perfect it.

<< Comment #589 @ 20:45 CST, 12 January 2014 >>

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petejones

this is some scummy shit bst

<< Comment #590 @ 00:49 CST, 13 January 2014 >>

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obi

dont worry guys we got a great new meme to spam posts with

<< Comment #591 @ 01:46 CST, 13 January 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #590

worth it

<< Comment #592 @ 23:17 CST, 14 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.76)

BST has been spotted in the wild!?

http://oi44.tinypic.com/35k9160.jpg/

<< Comment #593 @ 04:26 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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promyy - Reply to #592

He's active on overclock.net every week, dude.

<< Comment #597 @ 06:32 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #593

he's not!

<< Comment #598 @ 07:29 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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promyy - Reply to #597

Well, he logs in every week. That's what I meant.

Last Online:
1 week, 1 day ago

<< Comment #599 @ 07:45 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #598

OK! :D

<< Comment #594 @ 04:50 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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ogdiabz

I don't understand what's so hard about making 3 mice. WMO with avago 3090, kinzu with avago 3090, ie 3.0 with 3090? GG everyone has perfect sensor and shape that they want.

<< Comment #595 @ 04:56 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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LLih - Reply to #594

This is what I have thought too.
Imagine how many would buy them.

<< Comment #596 @ 06:22 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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Zhinky - Reply to #594

Do it.

<< Comment #601 @ 08:11 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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skint

people going ape shit lol

<< Comment #606 @ 18:21 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole

I couldn't wait any longer, I ordered a new mouse. You just lost a sale bst!!!!!!

Fuuuuuu.

<< Comment #607 @ 21:07 CST, 15 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (37.221.173.66) - Reply to #606

That's weak, dude :( What could possibly be better than this? I'm surviving with an M305...

<< Comment #608 @ 05:45 CST, 16 January 2014 >>

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jetno

Dude, first good mouse since WMO.

<< Comment #616 @ 10:49 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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KittenIgnition - Reply to #608

What mouse would that be?

<< Comment #609 @ 11:58 CST, 17 January 2014 >>

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stiffnipple

2014. just gotta check out that mouse thread thingy on esr... oh not yet released? unexpected.

<< Comment #610 @ 13:58 CST, 17 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.157)

At least give me a mouse pad already! Make those mouse pads... I need a great mouse pad for my 3090 Intellimouse.

<< Comment #611 @ 14:10 CST, 17 January 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #610

Edited by sonic at 14:12 CST, 17 January 2014

<< Comment #612 @ 18:06 CST, 17 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.142) - Reply to #611

Why you greedy? Don't be American.

Your personal picture doesn't make you look very good. Why do you wear such clothes?

It's not hard to order mouse pads from a factory. Make them now and don't worry about that fake mouse. We know the mouse isn't going to be released ever, but the mouse pad can be.

<< Comment #613 @ 08:48 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (194.255.108.248)

Any updates on ETA? :33

<< Comment #614 @ 09:36 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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xero- '

-_-

<< Comment #615 @ 10:05 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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moto1

g100s has saved me. hopefully this mouse happens.

<< Comment #633 @ 08:57 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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mew - Reply to #615

Same here, have been extremely happy with my G100S. I think I've checked this topic less than 3 times since I got my G100S.

<< Comment #636 @ 13:20 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #633

Not happy enough to not check at all :)?

<< Comment #637 @ 16:26 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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mew - Reply to #636

I only remembered because I had the bookmark in my old bookmarks. :P

And I would still obviously get a Ninox to see if it's better, so it's not like I decided to never get it.

Edited by mew at 16:27 CST, 28 January 2014

<< Comment #618 @ 14:58 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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NitroBullet

10

<< Comment #617 @ 14:58 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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NitroBullet

10 more days until this project is dead!

<< Comment #619 @ 15:33 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #617

can I have a countdown plz?

<< Comment #620 @ 17:25 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #619

http://www.xmasclock.com/

\o/ xmas \o/

<< Comment #621 @ 17:28 CST, 21 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (91.91.171.44)

The guy is a joke, ok he has some problem because of the new sensor out etc but whatever, at least inform us ffs, it's like he just slap our face being dead like this.

<< Comment #623 @ 05:12 CST, 23 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #621

I don't think that it's caused by sensor, most likely he got some personal problems and got no idea what happens in the future

<< Comment #622 @ 07:44 CST, 22 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (83.28.43.51)

Wondering why took it so long ? 2 years one mouse ? Cmon

<< Comment #624 @ 12:42 CST, 23 January 2014 >>

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takesix

zoot just got a ninox atmos and posted it on his facebook and twitter.

The question is: is bst really dead?

<< Comment #625 @ 13:22 CST, 23 January 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #624

RIP bst.

<< Comment #626 @ 16:45 CST, 23 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (217.87.59.159) - Reply to #625

Razer & Steelseries kill Bst

<< Comment #627 @ 09:10 CST, 24 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (213.185.39.231) - Reply to #626

where were you when bst died?

i was on esr responding to trolls
- bst is kill
- no

<< Comment #628 @ 15:08 CST, 24 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13

bst is ~bst@EAT-THE-BEAST.users.quakenet.org * Evil
bst on #tdmpickup #radiant @#ninox.beta @#ninox @#fh.prive
bst using *.quakenet.org QuakeNet IRC Server
bst is authed as EAT-THE-BEAST
bst End of /WHOIS list.

His ircbot will keep his memory!

<< Comment #629 @ 16:31 CST, 24 January 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #628

that's not the bot, it's him ;p

<< Comment #630 @ 08:05 CST, 25 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #629

I know, but he responds like a bot. Not at all.

<< Comment #638 @ 16:43 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #629

I thought BST plussed you :(

<< Comment #631 @ 03:16 CST, 27 January 2014 >>

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cowcow

Bst,

If you are looking to sell your product in Europe, just PM with your contact information. We are a German company and we have partnerships with large e-stores/stores, we also resell on our websites and we have a big end-user database.
good opportunity for you

let me know

;)

<< Comment #632 @ 00:12 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #631

German company but you're French.

<< Comment #639 @ 16:49 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #632

Story of a friend: "I am Indian I work in America I married a Russian I work with Africans, our customers are Asians, we live next to Mexicans, we spend vacations in New Zealand, my TV is Japanese, our babysitter is Brazilian (hue), our cook is French, my kid dates a Swedish girl." I think he can be French and work for a German company!

<< Comment #640 @ 19:29 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #639

No, remember what happened during ww2? Exactly.

<< Comment #641 @ 21:23 CST, 28 January 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #640

:(

There are so many trade agreements between France and Germany nowadays, corporates, businessmen who live around the borders, who work for German/French or German or French companies, or not specially around the borders, also in the big cities, I mean... yeah. Why trolling? é_č

Edited by zb0t at 21:25 CST, 28 January 2014

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lemming#13 - Reply to #641

Because trolling is a global/international phenomenon.

.
..
...

:)

<< Comment #643 @ 13:17 CST, 29 January 2014 >>

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megaman3

Two days o go Kippo

<< Comment #647 @ 17:52 CST, 29 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.76) - Reply to #643

Yeah, my tracking number says in two days. Finally!

<< Comment #646 @ 14:13 CST, 29 January 2014 >>

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Lacceh

rip in peachez

<< Comment #648 @ 13:51 CST, 30 January 2014 >>

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NitroBullet

RIP Ninox ;(

<< Comment #649 @ 14:34 CST, 31 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQUs8RlsQ14

<< Comment #650 @ 15:32 CST, 31 January 2014 >>

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megaman3

<< Comment #651 @ 17:27 CST, 31 January 2014 >>

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lemming#13

[00:26:33] * nyshak slaps bst around a bit with a large trout
[00:26:35] * nyshak slaps bst around a bit with a large trout
[00:26:37] <_ash> feaJz
[00:26:38] * nyshak slaps bst around a bit with a large trout
[00:26:43] <nyshak> beating a dead horse!
[00:26:45] <nyshak> :D

<< Comment #652 @ 18:02 CST, 31 January 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.155)

I told you this was just a huge TROLL. You guys got fooled for years. This mouse wasn't going to be perfect even if it existed.

Fools...

Got money and left. Someone was trying the same thing on other forums.

This thread/fraud should be deleted from this site.

<< Comment #653 @ 21:55 CST, 31 January 2014 >>

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resis - Reply to #652

What money? I haven't put any money anywhere around this. Did anyone?

The fact that nobody was asked to let the coins roll (pre-order and the like) before the mouse is actually released, was the only thing that made me not believe in a Troll, but I'm not too sure now.

Anyway, even if this ends up being a hoax, I don't feel fooled, because I was just waiting passively. Waiting is no expense.

Only problem I am left with is the fact that there is no other mouse with that shape, side buttons and that sensor. G100s, but it has no side buttons, but I need those, because I use them in every game that I play and browsing.

<< Comment #654 @ 04:15 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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promyy - Reply to #653

How is that a hoax if Aurora was already used to win ESWC?

Surely the mouse was going to be released, but something must have happened. Something that stopped the works and bst just couldn't/didn't want to talk about that.

Shame that he came online a few times but still wouldn't say a thing. But I got my WMO now so I don't care that much anymore :)

Edited by promyy at 09:08 CST, 1 February 2014

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acid_reptile - Reply to #654

He must have got a lot of money for not releasing this mouse. (eg. logitech/razer)

<< Comment #660 @ 08:53 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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oreozz - Reply to #657

lol, this mouse's reach was maybe ~1000 units. esreality/'the uber hardware technical competitive gamer userbase' is way smaller than you think.

when you're dealign with companies 12 hrs ahead of you, with no oversight of how things work + you're a small fry buying the fraction of the units they likely deal with on a daily basis you're gonna g et shit on quite a bit. if the progress becomes hopeless he'll say so. you can assume there's just nothing to report until then.

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promyy - Reply to #660

Yeah, but if you set an ETA and then not even inform people of it's delay and generally stop communicating with people awaiting your product in any way it's quite obvious people would call it 'dead' sooner or later.

If he hadn't got anything new to say he could at least come online for 15 seconds, type in 'new ETA 2016 cu then' and log off.

<< Comment #672 @ 11:02 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Conditioned - Reply to #662

Now its 'no eta 2016 fo then' instead.

<< Comment #655 @ 04:49 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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TronicGgG

=(

<< Comment #656 @ 05:21 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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Petru

this sucks
I bought G100s, but cable is crap, sensor has quite noticeable latency, scroll wheel is usual logitech crap and no sidebuttons.

<< Comment #663 @ 03:28 CST, 3 February 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #656

Doesn't sound like we are using the same mouse.

23%

<< Comment #664 @ 05:28 CST, 3 February 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #663

yes i think the mousewheel is really good. He's right about the cable tho. (i use a first gen logitech m90 calbe)

<< Comment #679 @ 12:19 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Petru - Reply to #664

mouse wheel is nowhere near silent, precise and smooth scroll of cheap 25$ a4tech xl 740k. It doesnt cost much to have perfect mouse wheel Logitech just cheaped out on it.

<< Comment #680 @ 13:23 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #679

After using the G9 every mousewheel feels good.

<< Comment #665 @ 08:13 CST, 3 February 2014 >>

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Snow_Crash - Reply to #663

according to the guy above u all mice cept wmo have problems
and not only that but he is a top ql player )

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acid_reptile - Reply to #665

..and his point was that the g100 is like the opposite as the guy he was replying to was stating. so?

<< Comment #667 @ 19:21 CST, 3 February 2014 >>

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Snow_Crash - Reply to #666

you misunderstood me
i was talking to winz but my comment appears under yours :D

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acid_reptile - Reply to #667

oh :D

<< Comment #678 @ 12:15 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Petru - Reply to #665

I only said that wmo has one of the most responsive sensors. I dont need to be top ql player to be able to notice latency difference between mice.

Edited by Berserker1 at 12:15 CST, 4 February 2014

<< Comment #658 @ 06:16 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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jamalz

WTB beta ninox aurora $25 pm me

<< Comment #661 @ 09:10 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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sleek - Reply to #658

nice try :P already tried that, didn't work. :D

<< Comment #668 @ 19:25 CST, 3 February 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #658

I bet people would be willing to pay $100+ at this point :P

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acid_reptile - Reply to #668

Seeing as the mx300 is 3x its usual price (60 or 90 bucks) and there are still a few 100 - 1000 units around. I wonder what the aurora should be rated at price wise, as there are only like 6 - 10 (beta) units around ;P

<< Comment #671 @ 09:19 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (65.95.249.189) - Reply to #670

2L of quake nerd tears and cooller's left sock :^)

In all seriousness, i doubt the testers would sell them, they probably use them as their main mice now, and if I had one, I would feel scummy selling it when bst meant for me to test it.

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acid_reptile - Reply to #671

yea well, was hoping for some reviews after the "beta testing" launch, but there was only 1 review where the author even states he prefers the G100s.. weird, maybe the aurora wasn't as good as people expected. sensor position? performance? who knows.

Edited by acid_reptile at 11:18 CST, 4 February 2014

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Petru - Reply to #673

he felt that aurora is "too precise" as he was using g100s before that has noticeable latency.

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acid_reptile - Reply to #677

maybe due to sensor position. but yea, thats what he was telling.

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winz - Reply to #677

G100s doesn't have a "noticeable latency". If you experience such a thing with it then the problem is on your side.

Also, he wasn't using the G100s before he tested the Aurora, we received the beta samples much, much earlier than the release date of the G100s.

Edited by winz at 09:54 CST, 5 February 2014

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Petru - Reply to #687

"If you experience such a thing with it then the problem is on your side." Now that's some steam forums type of response.
There's nothing on my side that can influence the latency of mouse sensor.
Im just sensitive to input lag and have some mice with adns-3060 and 3080 which are instant, g100s is not as reponsive, same as all new mice which push more dpi that sensor's image array can handle efficiently.

Yeah I wasnt correct there, but he was comparing G100s and aurora and preferring "smoother" feel of g100s.

<< Comment #691 @ 11:07 CST, 5 February 2014 >>

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winz - Reply to #690

Im just sensitive to input lag

So am I.
I think it's fair to say that I'm a high accuracy player and that makes me very anal about that kind of thing.

I've tried a shit tons of mice and the G100s does not give me the feeling you are describing.

Don't get me wrong the G100s isn't perfect by any means but you make it sound way worse than it actually is which I don't agree with hence why I felt the need to express my opinion. =P

Edited by winz at 11:10 CST, 5 February 2014

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Petru - Reply to #691

I made it sound a little over exaggerated, its probably noticeable to 5 ppl in the world, maybe around g400 latency, dunno for sure, got weary of plugging mice to compare.
Im just tired of some part of sensor tracking being ruined by dpi race.

Edited by Berserker1 at 12:09 CST, 5 February 2014

<< Comment #696 @ 17:49 CST, 12 February 2014 >>

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oreozz - Reply to #692

why don't you try actually measuring shit instead of talking about your feelings

<< Comment #697 @ 18:19 CST, 12 February 2014 >>

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Petru - Reply to #696

Sure dude, Ill just go buy high speed camera and think of a way to capture first mouse movement accurately so its millisecond precise.

<< Comment #700 @ 18:13 CST, 13 February 2014 >>

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oreozz - Reply to #697

not saying anything at all is better than gossiping over shit that's most likely placebo

<< Comment #659 @ 06:51 CST, 1 February 2014 >>

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krayzee

Edited by krayzee at 06:53 CST, 1 February 2014

<< Comment #674 @ 11:29 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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megaman3

So what's the plan: never return to the site and to QL as a mapper, post and do stuff with another nickname and never talk about this, explain why it failed or just come back and pretend it never happened?

<< Comment #676 @ 11:51 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (91.91.171.44)

Why not release the mousepad at least, thats what i don't understand, it was easy to do normaly and the fuking QCK, razer are to expensive for what it is :/

<< Comment #675 @ 11:51 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Vexin

Did Razer and Steelseries put up a hit on him?

<< Comment #684 @ 14:00 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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danielvegas

Pah. I was really hoping for this to happen.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/QGhfIJS.png[/IMG]

<< Comment #682 @ 13:52 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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generic nickname

people were crying because no ETA, people were crying because no news, people were counting down the fucking days until the mouse THEY WANT is NOT released and now they're jumping up and down "I told you so I told you so I told you so"

yeah I guess that's the only thing you can draw from this, better than nothing, right ?

the guy isn't a total nobody who took pre-orders and ran, he has money invested in this. nobody has infos, but it's so trendy to declare something "dead" like quake or reborn or anything you actually have to WAIT and see what happens

you probably all own several and currently have one you're satisfied with (or you're really shit at picking stuff)

it's just a fucking mouse

jesus...

<< Comment #683 @ 14:00 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Samuel_Davy - Reply to #682

even tho i agree with all what you said concerning bst. 2GD project is a totaly different story. People act bitter and insult over the internet, over react etc. Kinda sad ye.

Edited by Samuel_Davy at 14:03 CST, 4 February 2014

<< Comment #685 @ 22:50 CST, 4 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.61) - Reply to #682

So do we have to wait 5 years or 10? How many years has it been so far?

<< Comment #686 @ 02:37 CST, 5 February 2014 >>

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generic nickname - Reply to #685

how should I know ? how's that a problem ? it's not some kind of brand new technology revolutionizing how we play video games

you'd think he's selling e-crack the way you're all hanging around here waiting for something, ANYTHING

jamalz come in here with some rumor about a new sensor being used, no quote, no source, nothing -> people all believe him and are up in arms

uh, yeah, ok... granted the situation could have been dealt with had bst came in with some news, but that mob mentality gives you an insight into people's level of desperation for a simple input device (one they already possess)

people's attitude here is typical, just because you MIGHT buy a product he's making in his spare time, dealing with all sorts of issues and industries on the other side of the planet and so just because you could be a client, you feel entitled to go all cynical and impatient from the comfort of your house. what, are you an investor ? are you some sort of CEO asking why he's wasting your time and money on this wild goose chase that is a "perfect mouse" ?

this isn't the customer service, this is one of the (apparently) few forums he posted in to keep people in the loop when he had time. every time he's gone silent, it was because he encountered an unforeseen issue with the mouse/driver and was trying to fix it. now, it's been some time and his ETA (like reporters asking when kobe is coming back from his latest injury, because we NEED to have a set date, he'll come back when he's on the court) has come and gone, so what ? give it some time and see if he comes back, at least a couple of months, what do you have to lose ? a click once a month if you've bookmarked the thread ?

just because he's selling something doesn't mean he owes us anything

and for the usual haters who can't understand how anyone can side with the antichrist : no, I'm not bst in disguise, I won't get a beta sample or a mouse for free and I don't ride his cock

have a nice day

<< Comment #688 @ 10:03 CST, 5 February 2014 >>

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gienon - Reply to #686

Would be hilarious if bst just plussed you ;)

<< Comment #689 @ 10:08 CST, 5 February 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #686

While that is true put yourself in his position. Bst advertised this as the second coming....in 2011, this is about the 15th deadline not met and he just disappears (reads but doesn't write).

I've written the following way too much, but one more doesn't hurt: the market is different from then. Nowadays there are plenty of great mice from logitech and zowie, among others, so buy that instead of waiting yet another year.

<< Comment #693 @ 11:13 CST, 12 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (193.111.141.55)

Official info : " Project it's dead, sry"

<< Comment #694 @ 13:57 CST, 12 February 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #693

nice spam. was glad not to see this thread anymore.

<< Comment #695 @ 17:34 CST, 12 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.62) - Reply to #693

I talked to someone that may have been BST. He isn't going through with this mouse thing.

<< Comment #698 @ 23:28 CST, 12 February 2014 >>

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aodrus

bst is dead.

<< Comment #699 @ 01:45 CST, 13 February 2014 >>

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moto1

so many anon comments

WHATS REALLY GOING ON

<< Comment #701 @ 10:19 CST, 14 February 2014 >>

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Tobbe

Bought and closed by "insert big dirty company"?

Edited by Tobbe at 10:21 CST, 14 February 2014

<< Comment #702 @ 11:44 CST, 14 February 2014 >>

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Rjven - Reply to #701

pretty sure "big dirty companies" couldn't care less about this mouse.

<< Comment #703 @ 14:20 CST, 14 February 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #702

yeah but then again this would be the only scenario i could think of, why i would suddenly stop talking to anyone, if i was him. I mean its unlikely that he died away, as he still seems to lock in from time to time, as people reportet. And if it wasn't him, and someone hacked him, why not make a big troll post at least? xd

Edited by acid_reptile at 14:21 CST, 14 February 2014

<< Comment #704 @ 09:30 CST, 15 February 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #703

Well, seeing as this post has 700+ replies there really would not be any need for a troll post to generate replies. Quite the opposite might happen ;)

<< Comment #705 @ 05:02 CST, 16 February 2014 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #701

bought and delayed! I would release this stuff I had bought it.

<< Comment #706 @ 07:05 CST, 16 February 2014 >>

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!nFerNo - Reply to #705

This reeks of an NDA to me.

<< Comment #708 @ 21:01 CST, 16 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.157) - Reply to #701

That is dumb.

No company would buy out a company that doesn't exist. Especially a non existent company that is using an OEM shell, OEM sensor and OEM firmware.

<< Comment #709 @ 03:12 CST, 18 February 2014 >>

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Tobbe - Reply to #708

Hm yeah.. hope we hear something soon though (it's been over 3 months silence here, about 1 more and resis is gonna rage :P).

Edited by Tobbe at 03:21 CST, 18 February 2014

<< Comment #707 @ 10:41 CST, 16 February 2014 >>

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jamalz

To be honest I don't even give a fuck about the mouse that much, I just want BST to keep mapping. Quake needs maps. If your project got fucked up, it's cool, just come back and make some new maps.

<< Comment #710 @ 09:19 CST, 19 February 2014 >>

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Teen Queen '

ETA: December 2013 - Janurary 2014. Also, when I say ETA, I mean delivered to your door.

Just checked my door.

<< Comment #711 @ 11:44 CST, 19 February 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #710

To be honest he still has time, I checked on calendars and the month Janurary doesn't exist, so until it does I think we can all still wait.

Great strategy by the way.

25%

<< Comment #712 @ 20:21 CST, 19 February 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #710

But you didnt order one, the one i ordered was delivered a year ago!

<< Comment #713 @ 15:45 CST, 20 February 2014 >>

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0x5f3759df

ordering a g100s bye bye my business

<< Comment #714 @ 14:52 CST, 21 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (24.57.159.6)

Hypothetically, let's say BST does decide to cancel this project. What other options do I have that are similar to this mouse?

I can think of the Zowie FK off the top of my head, but it doesn't have the omrons.

Maybe a Kana V2? Or one of those new Mionox mice?

Does anyone else have any ideas?

<< Comment #715 @ 15:03 CST, 21 February 2014 >>

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Zhinky - Reply to #714

WMO

<< Comment #716 @ 16:58 CST, 21 February 2014 >>

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pvh - Reply to #714

I recently picked up a Mionix Avior 7000. It is significantly heavier and bulkier than WMO/FK/G100s. Having said that, the sensor performs very well in terms of tracking and max speed. It's hard to tell how much 'smoothing' it has because it is in such a different weight class than the mice I generally prefer. I look forward to seeing the Pixart pmw3310dh implemented in a smaller/lighter shell.

<< Comment #717 @ 17:46 CST, 21 February 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #714

Right now there's like 20 alternatives of "flawless" mice.

For something that's just like this however I remember posting on the other thread that another company released a mice with the exact same shell and sensor. Was it two years ago? Time flies by when things don't get done.

<< Comment #718 @ 02:18 CST, 22 February 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #717

The mouse ur talking about was more like a g100 clone imo (3055 instead of 3090) and they still didn't appear on ebay / amazon.

<< Comment #719 @ 07:34 CST, 22 February 2014 >>

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Anonymous (83.9.116.244)

I-rocks - same shell with avago 3050. Solution ? Buy it and mod = bst gaming mouse. But there is one problem. U cant buy all irocks products even via alliexpres, and i dont know which shop respect shipping to europe

<< Comment #720 @ 10:05 CST, 22 February 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #719

No.
Its like saying buy the g1 and mod it. Just to much work. What PCB u want to put in it? Ninox Aurora would have been awesome for its shell (of course) but also for it's tweaked and optimized firmware. 4000 DPI 3090 variant with (as bst stated) only little smoothing.

Edited by acid_reptile at 10:07 CST, 22 February 2014

<< Comment #721 @ 10:15 CST, 22 February 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #720

Zowie released a refresh of the FK, but if I am not mistaken this is still the 3090. Since the 3310 is supposedly better, maybe we will see a new Zowie product soon. I'd like an AM / FK without a custom lens so that the DPI steps are more common and the tracking speed is higher.

<< Comment #723 @ 09:58 CST, 26 February 2014 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #721

the fk refresh has 400 dpi instead of 477

<< Comment #722 @ 10:44 CST, 23 February 2014 >>

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.c0dy

Is it possible to get the "source" of the software?

I'm trying to find a way to change settings for my Steelseries Rival. It has the 3310-sensor, but the Steelseries Software doesn't offer a way to set everything that can be changed for the sensor.

Just trying to find a way to set values on the sensor :/

<< Comment #724 @ 08:38 CST, 3 March 2014 >>

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Anonymous (83.31.37.157)

Bst project its dead i think. I Have better offer.
Mouse looks like WMO but its a little bit smaller
118.5 (L) X 63 (W) X 39.5 (H) mm (113 with cable)/ Unnamed
125mm x 65mm x 36mm / WMO

The differences : Top cover is rubberized, 2 big teflon feet like in zowie FK, sensor Avago 3988 or 3090 and prize between 25-35 euro

What do you think about it ?

<< Comment #725 @ 15:50 CST, 3 March 2014 >>

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redward - Reply to #724

Should just use the Kinzu shell. It's got a nice shape and 3 large teflon feet for which you can get hyperglides for. Just need a good sensor in it and make the sensor position exact center instead of slightly below.

<< Comment #728 @ 03:03 CST, 4 March 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #725

Why not just build a kinzuadder like that?

<< Comment #730 @ 04:13 CST, 5 March 2014 >>

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redward - Reply to #728

Kinzuadder sensor placement is below center due to the way the scroll wheel needs to be aligned.

<< Comment #731 @ 04:28 CST, 5 March 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #730

if you remove the dpi button you may move it forward as much as you want

<< Comment #732 @ 07:34 CST, 5 March 2014 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #730

depends.
but usually the sensor is just ~2mm lower if you cut everything as much as possible.
on kinzu v2 even only <1mm lower.

Edited by thuNDa at 07:35 CST, 5 March 2014

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acid_reptile - Reply to #732

2 mm lower is a lot in this case. On the zowie AM the sensor is like 6 mm above center. That beeing said i don't understand why it should be dead center of the mouse anyway. Shouldn't it be related to where u hold the mouse? Like between ur thumb and pinky?

<< Comment #734 @ 09:51 CST, 5 March 2014 >>

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ogdiabz - Reply to #733

It doesn't matter.

<< Comment #735 @ 10:48 CST, 5 March 2014 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #733

the lower the sensor, the smaller the distance you move the cursor with the same motion of the hand(from side to side).

Edited by thuNDa at 10:51 CST, 5 March 2014

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acid_reptile - Reply to #735

Yes i know that. But im sure theres more to it. Guess it just depends on playstyle. I really would want a mouse with changeble sensor pos (driver) to find out ;P

<< Comment #739 @ 06:22 CST, 7 March 2014 >>

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Samuel_Davy - Reply to #736

the more the sensor is to the front the more your horizontal aim is stable.

<< Comment #726 @ 16:27 CST, 3 March 2014 >>

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raumschiffkomandant - Reply to #724

lets go already

<< Comment #727 @ 16:39 CST, 3 March 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #724

You mean you are going to sell a new gaming mouse, like mass produce it etc?

If yes, don't make same mistakes, also if it's serious, good luck!

<< Comment #729 @ 10:51 CST, 4 March 2014 >>

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petejones - Reply to #724

it should really be wmo size for best results, unless its only SLIGHTLY smaller, equal or lighter weight, and has the exact same shape (still better if its the same size). also, AT LEAST 1 SIDE BUTTON

Edited by petejones at 18:46 CST, 4 March 2014

<< Comment #737 @ 18:48 CST, 5 March 2014 >>

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vitrae - Reply to #724

weight?

also, as mentioned already it needs 1 side button. If you make it avago 3090, normal dpi steps like

400 / 800 / 1600 / 3200

450 / 900 / 1800 / 3600

lift off distance low, like 2mm at most and weight between 70-80 grams, ill buy u 10 units bro

<< Comment #740 @ 07:09 CST, 7 March 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #737

Side buttons? Aren't they uncomfortable? Useless?

<< Comment #741 @ 11:05 CST, 7 March 2014 >>

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vitrae - Reply to #740

no, they are useful (if they're not too many) and not unconfortable at all if they're placed in the correctly. For instance i use side button for +zoom and i think many ppl do too

<< Comment #742 @ 15:05 CST, 7 March 2014 >>

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Sopsy - Reply to #724

You shouldn't even think about entering the mouse market if you didn't know that 3988 is razer exclusive.

<< Comment #738 @ 01:48 CST, 7 March 2014 >>

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Anonymous (23.227.160.2)

How is the Corsair M45? Is it a good alternative or does it still have some issues?

<< Comment #743 @ 15:20 CDT, 13 March 2014 >>

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acid_reptile

I think the reason someone bought bst wasn't the aurora itself. More like the "idea" of releasing one perfect PCB and then even releasing different shells for it. Bst even talked about how easy it was to put the aurora PCB into a microsoft mouse.

And as awesome as it is, it would be bad for the gaming peripherals industry if it worked out. They rather keep releasing new mice with at least one major flaw, so people keep buying forever. Yea old news. That the reason we are here.

So i guess if someone wants to make a lot of money he just need to fallow bst.

Edited by acid_reptile at 04:13 CDT, 18 March 2014

<< Comment #744 @ 12:29 CDT, 14 March 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #743

It has been confirmed that someone bought out bst?

<< Comment #745 @ 16:49 CDT, 14 March 2014 >>

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Samuel_Davy - Reply to #744

Seems kind of evident why do you need comfirmation? Its how the matrix works.

<< Comment #746 @ 17:17 CDT, 14 March 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #744

not at all

<< Comment #747 @ 16:32 CDT, 17 March 2014 >>

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nemecel

Mouse got canceled because WMO can't be surpassed.
Now im stuck forever on Win 7 because you cant go 500hz with WMO in 8+

<< Comment #749 @ 17:42 CDT, 17 March 2014 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #747

wmo is shit

<< Comment #750 @ 18:32 CDT, 17 March 2014 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #749

prove it

<< Comment #751 @ 09:13 CDT, 18 March 2014 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #750

cant turn fast and its too fat

<< Comment #752 @ 15:04 CDT, 18 March 2014 >>

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nemecel - Reply to #751

Bullshit.

<< Comment #754 @ 23:31 CDT, 18 March 2014 >>

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Samuel_Davy - Reply to #751

what mouse do you have? :p

<< Comment #755 @ 05:12 CDT, 19 March 2014 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #754

kinzuadder
zowie fk

<< Comment #756 @ 05:25 CDT, 19 March 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #755

You selling Kinzuadders?

<< Comment #757 @ 08:46 CDT, 19 March 2014 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #756

no i SUCK at making them

<< Comment #758 @ 09:27 CDT, 19 March 2014 >>

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Samuel_Davy - Reply to #755

Well they are both fater than WMO. I tried g100s myself, the tracking is excellent but the mouse has no ass, cant grab it correctly ^^

<< Comment #748 @ 16:49 CDT, 17 March 2014 >>

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megaman3

Will this be bumped for eternity?

I hope so

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<< Comment #753 @ 21:51 CDT, 18 March 2014 >>

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grume

why didn't he just come out and say it was canceled it instead of doing this weird fuck you to us by vanishing? because of the donations he took?

<< Comment #759 @ 16:24 CDT, 19 March 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #753

What donations?

<< Comment #760 @ 23:26 CDT, 19 March 2014 >>

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grume - Reply to #759

the last thread had a portion of it dedicated to asking for paypal donations

<< Comment #761 @ 23:48 CDT, 21 March 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #760

He used the donations for drugs.

<< Comment #762 @ 02:47 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #761

and hookers

<< Comment #765 @ 14:57 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #753

because he's weird.

<< Comment #857 @ 06:53 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #753

:D
I didn't really get many, I think about 5, didn't amount to much, certainly not enough to run away with. It was under Ŗ200 iirc.

I still have them in the paypal account, so if anyone wants their money back I can send it, just IM me. But if not I wouldn't spend it on myself, only the company. I was going to use it in a promotional tourney as prize money.

<< Comment #763 @ 12:33 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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rBn

Dose anyone know the company that was in charge with the mouse production. Maybe we can inquire there if BST decided to screw up the community. I'm not giving up on this mouse yet. -_____-

<< Comment #764 @ 14:01 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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zb0t

Bumping to make BST feel ashamed, guilty etc.

Edited by zb0t at 14:01 CDT, 22 March 2014

<< Comment #766 @ 17:18 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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Anonymous (109.228.22.219)

hey ESR thought you might want to know..

[21:04] <okokok> hey
[21:12] <..> hi?
[21:14] <okokok> it's me bst :>
[21:14] <okokok> sup
[21:14] <..> lol dude where the fuck have u been
[21:14] <okokok> just wanted to know if u still have my xbox games i lent u
[21:15] <..> everyone thinks that you're dead or something
[21:15] <..> yes i have your games still, do you want them back
[21:15] <okokok> yeah I saw what people said
[21:15] <okokok> tbh fuck them, I'm tired of that community
[21:16] <okokok> bunch of assholes on ESR
[21:16] <..> so you aren't going to make the mouse anymore?
[21:16] <okokok> ye just wanted to make sure you still have my games, i'll have them back when you can thx
[21:16] <okokok> no, tired of the whole mouse business, have better things to do tbh
[21:16] <..> well ok lol
[21:18] <..> i'll get your games back to you soonish
[21:18] <okokok> thx :>
[21:18] <okokok> i'm off bb

sorry if any of you invested money in this thing..

<< Comment #767 @ 18:21 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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moto1 - Reply to #766

this look like a bad fake convo

<< Comment #768 @ 18:21 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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moto1 - Reply to #766

sorry. this IS a bad fake convo

<< Comment #769 @ 23:29 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #766

I know of someone who recently got a new aurora and provided an opposite conversation ;p

<< Comment #770 @ 23:36 CDT, 22 March 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #766

didn't know people who were close friends referred to each other by their avatar names.

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Tsubaki - Reply to #766

[21:04] <okokok> hey
[21:12] <..> hi?
[21:14] <okokok> it's me bst :>
[21:14] <okokok> im sorry i have to tell u
[21:15] <okokok> im gay

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<< Comment #772 @ 03:34 CDT, 23 March 2014 >>

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rBn

Hey anyone interested to pay a reward to the one that finds out what really happened with bst, and why he is acting like a scum? I could put like 20$...

<< Comment #773 @ 04:17 CDT, 23 March 2014 >>

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generic nickname - Reply to #772

http://www.findoyou.com/hr1/mr-russell-vint-w...twear-ltd/

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/2275614/russell-vint

http://www.gmdu.net/corp-277263.html

phone him (or mail him : russell(at)grinders[dot]co.uk ) tell him he's acting like a scum, that ought to motivate him !

I'll take 10 of those 20 dollars, you use the rest to make the call

you tell us how that turned out

<< Comment #774 @ 06:38 CDT, 23 March 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #773

i'd make a joke about polish people and free shoes with every mouse order but i don't want to get banned from casting esl matches.

<< Comment #775 @ 16:36 CDT, 27 March 2014 >>

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zb0t

I was thinking about what if someone steals the whole project he will be motivated again, no?

<< Comment #778 @ 10:01 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #775

If he just doesn't care anymore he would probably cancel it for reason x. Guess he's just not allowed to talk about it.

<< Comment #776 @ 04:12 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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krayzee

Only those with faith will be rewarded, when our saviour decides to release us from our mediocre-mouse suffering. I will persist!

<< Comment #777 @ 05:25 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #776

speaking of mediocre mice.. where's dst?

<< Comment #779 @ 15:34 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #777

bst, heaten.

<< Comment #780 @ 16:05 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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pvh - Reply to #779

how did you do the backwards d?

<< Comment #781 @ 16:18 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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FlashSoul - Reply to #780

dlack magic

<< Comment #782 @ 16:38 CDT, 28 March 2014 >>

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kevz

i guess he got bought out and signed a contract that wont allow him to talk about any of it. cant imagine hes being a dick for the fun of it.

rip mouse
rip thread
i like my ec1 evo though <3

<< Comment #783 @ 21:03 CDT, 29 March 2014 >>

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resis

Hmm, so I take this thing is canceled then.

...or got acquired by Facebook for 2bil...

<< Comment #784 @ 21:13 CDT, 29 March 2014 >>

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deathinfire

elaborate april fools joke to be announced first thing tuesday morning. dst ep1c trole

<< Comment #785 @ 05:17 CDT, 30 March 2014 >>

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Anonymous (85.207.84.158)

There needs to be an update on this. You can't just go MIA. At least tell us what has happened. People will understand.

<< Comment #786 @ 05:39 CDT, 30 March 2014 >>

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ihve - Reply to #785

http://www.esreality.com/post/2487925/new-gam...pid2577354

<< Comment #787 @ 06:38 CDT, 30 March 2014 >>

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moto1

Edited by moto1 at 06:38 CDT, 30 March 2014

<< Comment #788 @ 10:20 CDT, 30 March 2014 >>

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zb0t

Don't let the thread die, it has to haunt BST for life.

<< Comment #789 @ 15:44 CDT, 30 March 2014 >>

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petejones - Reply to #788

this.

Edited by petejones at 15:44 CDT, 30 March 2014

<< Comment #790 @ 02:40 CDT, 31 March 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #789

Still alive, just dodging us.

Last Online:

2 days, 23 hours ago

We know you read this BST we love you come back.

<< Comment #795 @ 14:48 CDT, 18 April 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #788

keep the shame alive. never forget.

<< Comment #797 @ 16:32 CDT, 18 April 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #795

#BSTdedicated4lifenevergiveupstillwaiting

<< Comment #798 @ 17:00 CDT, 18 April 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #797

delieder

<< Comment #799 @ 05:25 CDT, 25 April 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #798

How did I miss this.

Bump btw.

<< Comment #800 @ 07:04 CDT, 25 April 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #799

\:D/

<< Comment #791 @ 11:44 CDT, 31 March 2014 >>

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Anonymous (187.35.103.14)

Im from brazil and i think i follow this thread and idea since 2 years or more...
Waiting for a worldwide release.. why not

So far i had 15 mices, im just INSANE fan of mices and look for best performance on them. but shape is 50%-50%

g100s / wmo 500hz

will be my choice all the way.. If i feel unconfortable with 500hz or other stuff @ 144hz lightboost i could just swap g100s. both sick.

Razer = IDIOTS
Steelseries = SHITSERIES
CMstorm = Is that a cloth brand ?
A4Tech = Oh for sure a shoes brand
etc etc

<< Comment #792 @ 05:06 CDT, 4 April 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole

Can someone please delete this entire gaming mouse post? It's dead and bst is a liar.

<< Comment #793 @ 13:32 CDT, 18 April 2014 >>

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o.Qv

BST....come back man you can do it .... WE BELIEVE ...

<< Comment #794 @ 13:43 CDT, 18 April 2014 >>

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cx '

this mouseshit is 99 % marketing anyway, cant make anything special there ... a mouse is still a mouse, if a nobody releases a mouse without any marketing, noone will care, there are so many chinese noname mice out there, there probably not worse sensor wise than WMO or something, but noone cares ...
that being said my deathadder has the best shape for me personally of all the mice I had ...

btw, mice is the plural form of mouse, "mices" does not exist ...

<< Comment #796 @ 14:49 CDT, 18 April 2014 >>

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sonic - Reply to #794

peter noone is so caring

<< Comment #801 @ 01:41 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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H1ghlander

so bst mouse project is dead?

<< Comment #802 @ 02:30 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #801

But we haven't found the body yet, it's hard to proclaim its death!

Some will never let it go!

<< Comment #803 @ 02:38 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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H1ghlander - Reply to #802

found it.
http://i.imgur.com/4MWgCyG.jpg
R.I.P.

<< Comment #804 @ 03:06 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #803

B-b-bu-but he's given sign of life

Last Online:

4 weeks, 1 day ago

:'[

<< Comment #805 @ 03:53 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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Eviili - Reply to #804

maybe you can invest 20-30k like its nothing for some randoms instead lmao..

<< Comment #806 @ 04:21 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #805

Bu-but, he did this right? :(

<< Comment #807 @ 05:01 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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pvh

Still not ready to mourn this. The dream is still alive

<< Comment #808 @ 12:05 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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fuku

BST plz release this already!!

<< Comment #809 @ 17:05 CDT, 26 April 2014 >>

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pacmanpl

never forget
#kony2012

<< Comment #810 @ 22:32 CDT, 4 May 2014 >>

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zb0t

carecry asked for a bump for justice

http://www.esreality.com/post/2588239/your-fa...pid2589462

<< Comment #811 @ 09:13 CDT, 7 May 2014 >>

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Tsubaki

better come out by 2015 or i'll bribe my friend $200 for his beta mouse

<< Comment #812 @ 12:20 CDT, 7 May 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #811

You mean rip his teeth out.

<< Comment #813 @ 12:42 CDT, 7 May 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #811

why wait? buy / bribe today! this mouse will not see the light of day :/

<< Comment #814 @ 14:27 CDT, 16 May 2014 >>

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TheCat

Unliked his Facebook page. >:(

<< Comment #816 @ 06:56 CDT, 17 May 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #814

Like him again just to strike again ]:<<<<

<< Comment #815 @ 04:38 CDT, 17 May 2014 >>

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Nagato

maybe it was an elaborate troll

<< Comment #817 @ 11:14 CDT, 21 May 2014 >>

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Lam '

ETA: December 2013 - Janurary 2014
Also, when I say ETA, I mean delivered to your door.

Still waiting at my door :(

<< Comment #818 @ 23:31 CDT, 2 June 2014 >>

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Anonymous (83.204.230.95)

bump

<< Comment #819 @ 23:39 CDT, 2 June 2014 >>

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naper

Just got mine, I'll do a proper writeup tomorrow but so far feels amazing!

<< Comment #820 @ 13:27 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #819

Looks like BST's illness propagated?

Where is your feedback ='D

Never coming!

In all seriousness, do you think bst is now posting only as Anonymous or with a different account.

<< Comment #821 @ 15:29 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #820

He got hit by a car, got retarded, forgot his name, registered as cmss.

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<< Comment #823 @ 16:31 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #821

So CMSS has a talent to build mice, but he forgot about it? What if CMSS can't be found anymore online, builds his company after reading these messages and then we all end up purchasing his mice and saying it's the best. heheheh

<< Comment #825 @ 18:14 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #823

I'd rather get hit by a car, turn into retard and try to register as cmss :)

<< Comment #822 @ 15:36 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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naper - Reply to #820

#rekt. But yeah who knows what bst is doing.

<< Comment #824 @ 17:24 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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nvc

teh nvc mouse coming soon? :o

<< Comment #827 @ 18:40 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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zb0t - Reply to #824

NVC took over the business!!!

<< Comment #826 @ 18:17 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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moto1

WHAT'S GOING ON

<< Comment #828 @ 21:42 CDT, 8 June 2014 >>

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Thirst - Reply to #826

And I say, hey hey hey hey.

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<< Comment #829 @ 16:53 CDT, 9 June 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.9.77) - Reply to #826

BST got a finished PCB to put in his WMO. Once he got his "dream" mouse he stopped with the project.

Plus the situation with the Avago 3090 didn't help. Can't forget to mention the introduction of the 3310.

There has been another sensor released by Logitech. It is said to be better than the 3090 and 3310. I think it might be a mixture of all the sensors. Basically, using the best parts of each.

<< Comment #830 @ 19:08 CDT, 9 June 2014 >>

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moto1 - Reply to #829

for real? source?

and he just bails like that?

<< Comment #834 @ 13:32 CDT, 10 June 2014 >>

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popups - Reply to #830

I heard you can modify the WMO to use the Aurora PCB, is there more information about this?

Yes, you can do that. It does void the warranty and it isn't officially supported, its more something that I personally found and shared. I will post a video guide when I get a new rotary tool. Overall its a fairly easy modification to do, there are no special skills needed (like soldering), just some grinding away of plastic and some application of glue/putty.

He got his perfect mouse. As you can see in the pictures in the original post.

Maybe he used this site to earn money by stating he was going to release the mouse to the public. Once he acquired enough knowledge and money to get his finished mouse he vanishes with no explanation.

It's unfortunate he left with no reason posted. It only looks bad. Looks like he doesn't care regardless. So don't expect him to return.

<< Comment #836 @ 15:38 CDT, 10 June 2014 >>

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moto1 - Reply to #834

ehhhhhhh this is a stretch

if the idea was 'take the money and run', don't you think he took it a little too far? building a pcd, building the shell, changing it, getting a logo and design made, sending out test units to people, etc, just to fuck with them? isn't the joke more on him than us? all we did was ask for it, he was the one that spend the probably 100+ hours doing all this

I don't know man, just doesn't seem reasonable

if you're stealing VC money then sure this approach is better, but I don't know. what the hell...

<< Comment #837 @ 19:02 CDT, 10 June 2014 >>

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popups - Reply to #836

Not about stealing money. More about finding a way to get his own personal mouse made with the help of the community. Now that it has been finished he is no longer around. Maybe he did plan to make it a business on top of it, but he saw the realities of doing that.

Edited by popups at 19:03 CDT, 10 June 2014

<< Comment #838 @ 10:52 CDT, 11 June 2014 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #837

no fucking way.
there are also WMOadders mods around, so he could have it so much easier(and doesn't even have to use an "evil" 4k dpi SROM).

<< Comment #831 @ 20:06 CDT, 9 June 2014 >>

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Nagato

This is what happens when a community relies on a single person to provide for them...

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popups - Reply to #831

It does have all the warning signs of a scam.

To bad the community hasn't come together to make their own product. Wouldn't it be easy these days to do that? It would be about the end product, not the profit.

<< Comment #832 @ 20:39 CDT, 9 June 2014 >>

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doped

he never paid his bills and went to prison, or a hitsquad from his creditors was hired.

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jstn - Reply to #832

If they send people to prison for that I am totally fucked one of these days.

<< Comment #841 @ 22:14 CDT, 15 June 2014 >>

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gienon

Good thing I found Delirium shit right from the start ;)

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ģbst

Ok I'm just going to keep this simple, I could explain every little detail about why I went AWOL but the reality is it just comes down to a few points. Its really a combination of things and not just one reason.

Firstly, my investors told me they didn't want to buy the mice in (they were finished and have been finished for a long time now), they said it was bad timing and that I would have to wait. I wanted to come back quite a long time ago with some definite news and that just ruined it completely. I made the decision to just remain quiet until I definitely had the necessary funds. People may ask why I didn't just go with crowd funding, but I don't want to take peoples money without having proven myself first, and gained some trust (putting it really simply).

Secondly was myself, I had just burned myself out. Thats putting it really simply again, but I was becoming sick of working on something for so long and not being able to just release the damn thing. I was also getting tired of the whole nitpicking thing that gamers do, not that I'm not one of those people myself, its hard to explain but it was that coupled with it being over-hyped that put a lot of pressure on me, like I say I don't really know how to explain it other than it burned me out. I have too much of a perfectionist attitude to everything that I do and I end up overloading myself. I really do envy people who can just say "that'll do". Its not just with my mice, I do it with other things like my maps too.

Why didn't I say anything - main reason was being sick of coming back with more vague information. I mean what difference does it really make, if you think I've died, or I say "I don't know when its going to be released, if ever". Its the same thing really since the two things are equally vague and disappointing.

I could write more but I don't want to write a huge post full of excuses and I'm sure most people wouldn't want to read it.

However, all that aside, I have the funds to buy the mice and pads in now, and since I already have the sensors, I might as well order the mice. I know there are new sensors out, but I still think the A3090 is a decent sensor and its not like I'm going to charge the earth for the mouse.

I'm ordering them regardless of what people think because I promised that I would release it and I want to fulfil that promise. It just feels wrong not to.

I will come back with a proper release date when I have one, I only started talking to the factory about it again this week, so I'm unsure about when it will be at the moment.

I want to end with an apology for being a total dick head, not because I'm trying to placate everyone, I'm not "marketing" I am genuinely sorry about it.

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<< Comment #844 @ 03:26 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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CENEk - Reply to #843

Glad to know you're okay!

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end0rphine - Reply to #843

And here I thought some random user bumped it. It's good to know that you still plan to release it. It's funny though, that Razer still managed to screw up their recent abyssus release, just in time for your mouse to come out.

Edited by end0rphine at 03:46 CDT, 15 July 2014

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Thirst - Reply to #843

Thanks for giving an explanation.

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takesix - Reply to #843

Heppy to see everything is ok, I'm not buying the mouse because you decided to go with sidebuttons only on the left side, but I'm glad i can get one of those XXL mousepads.

That being said back when you started this project you could have actually started a revolution, now every major brand has at least one flawless mouse in their catalog and therefore I'm afraid you won't get much attention if not from the hardcore wmo fans who will be interested in the pcb mod.

Nonetheless, gl & hf with finally finishing this project.

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ģbst - Reply to #847

True, but at least the Aurora is a nice reliable mouse, so its not all bad :)

I think flawless is a bad word, its kind of like saying you don't expect things to get better, but sometimes things have a flaw that no one (or very few) notices. Probably many years ago before someone thought up the wheel, there were people talking about their flawless logs which were really good at rolling things along. Now of course we know that it doesn't matter, the whole idea wasn't that good in the first place, it was just the best there was on offer.

Since I've been thinking long and hard about gaming peripherals for so long now, I have what I think are a bunch of good ideas, but my investors don't have the money to make any of them see the light of day. But thats why I am pushing on now, because if I just give up, then they have no chance at all, at least if I give it a shot then there is still some hope :)

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lemming#13 - Reply to #850

I just ordered an FK1. But I'll still get your mouse, if only for ffs. I want to see it finished now too ;)
Plus, its lighter and only has side buttons on one side. Meaning, sensor or not if the performance holds true to what you said it will still be a contender. Maybe we're finally getting into an era were most mice have decent (read: decent, NOT perfect) sensors, but this will only emphasize other factors (shape, weight, lod etc.) even more.

Glad you're back. Now finish that motherfucka!

<< Comment #849 @ 04:46 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #843

u r based, m8

<< Comment #851 @ 06:09 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #843

MAKE ME SOME MORE QUAKELIVE MAPS, THANKS BUDDY!

<< Comment #853 @ 06:14 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Torzelan - Reply to #843

Awesome, can't wait for the glorious day we get the newsletter update that it's available. :)
(In fact maybe some sort of update should be pushed through now unless newsletters are less popular than I think.)

Edited by torz at 06:15 CDT, 15 July 2014

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ihve - Reply to #843

We're happy that you're not dead!

<< Comment #863 @ 08:48 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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terrorhead - Reply to #843

FUCK YES

<< Comment #871 @ 12:03 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.156) - Reply to #863

Oh no... Here comes the over hyping again.

<< Comment #883 @ 19:26 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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*b0se - Reply to #843

Good news!

<< Comment #895 @ 15:59 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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TheCat - Reply to #843

Hey, man, we get it if you're having trouble, and we don't hold it against you. It's the disappearing act that annoys people. I'd bet most of us would be satisfied if you just popped in every blue moon to assure us that you haven't died in a car crash.

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Puzzler - Reply to #843

Thank you!

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resis - Reply to #843

Glad you're are back in business, BST.

After all the time I am still in need of a mouse. Been using the FK for a bit, but mostly the AM. There is just no replacement for the AM right now.

I can't agree with going silent without explanation. Silence is never good. You could have just said: "Because of reasons I cannot change, I have to put the project on halt. I hope to continue it when it's time, but for now you have to accept my apology for the inconvenience".
That's it, you gave a reason and can go into hibernation as long as you need. People can go on talking as much as they want, you made your point.

Anyway, hope to try the mouse soon.

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Tobbe - Reply to #913

At least you didn't rage resis. ;)

<< Comment #848 @ 04:35 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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alb

Good luck bst. I've been in the same situation you've been in and I can completely emphasize with you. Hope you still finish the product, this way you can not only prove the community you can do it, but also to yourself. Making you a more resilient person in the end.

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ģbst

I'm not sucking up but you are all such nice people. I didn't even have the guts to look at this page until now, I thought I would be completely hated. But looking up all I can see is the usual ESR banter and humour. And even now when I come back after all this time you still plus me. I should've stuck around :/

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<< Comment #854 @ 06:19 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (134.93.57.65) - Reply to #852

what happened man?

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ģbst - Reply to #854

Well like I said, lots of things, could write a lot about it, but on top of it all was the idea of coming back and not having any news, I'd just be coming back to give bad/uncertain news. At least now I can say that things are on track.

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eburbeck - Reply to #852

hey, i'm just hoping i can still get one of dose mices :) glad you're back at it and not so burned out anymore - i know how shitty life can feel!

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groparoo - Reply to #856

This! I also hope I will get one of those mice. I will feel really proud to use and play qvak with a mouse made by someone in the quake community :).
Good luck BST!

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ihve - Reply to #852

Dude a burnout is no fun. Had it myself once or twice. Sometimes you just want to get way from everything and stop talking toe anybody. If that's the case there is really no other solution and anybody who had that feeling themselves once will understand.

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rockz - Reply to #861

burneddd out from ql?

nurse?

Edited by rockz at 11:33 CDT, 15 July 2014

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #852

I want to hate you so much but eh, it would just feel wrong.

(btw send me the mouse, bb <3)

<< Comment #958 @ 22:30 CDT, 11 August 2014 >>

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resis - Reply to #852

We still love you, mate. :D

<< Comment #859 @ 07:43 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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th3l4st0ne

So, What's the current ETA for anyone who feels like buying one?

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ģbst - Reply to #859

I'm not sure yet, I literally just got the funding for it. I have to get the factory to send me another sample of it, to make sure they remember everything. Then as long as everything is ok I'll place the order and they will give me a lead time, and from that I can work out the ETA, which I'll post here.

<< Comment #865 @ 11:16 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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th3l4st0ne - Reply to #864

Take your time, I can wait another year for that XD.

On a side note, do you think you could sell the PCB alone? I'd really need a few spare boards for a trackball transplant job.

<< Comment #869 @ 11:41 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Anonymous (141.0.8.156) - Reply to #865

In a year from now the market will change completely. It's already moving on right now.

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th3l4st0ne - Reply to #869

Funny thing is, even if Logitech and other brands are releasing new mice with good sensor, most of them are botched in one way or another.

My G100s feels sluggish, every Razer mice feels like molasse, steelseries mices nearly all have at least 1 flaw the other one didn't before and so on.

Nearly every mice I used the last 5 years felt half done, smoothed and overall uncomfortable. I got a G502 in my hands and while it tracks nicelly and feels solid the darn thing kills my hand. It's like they screw it up on purpose to sell their next model.

<< Comment #881 @ 17:05 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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Tsubaki - Reply to #879

Almost -nobody- gives a fuck

at least 95% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the Kana v2 sensor and G502. it doesnt sell their next model

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h8m3 - Reply to #864

did they confirm that they still have 3090s in stock? cause if not you'll have to move to 3310. It is an improvement anyway and doesnt take much time to port the pcb for. I dont really think that you have to rush with previous design just to finish it. Time passes by and releasing a 3310 pcb would be great for both current project and possible future shells

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ģbst - Reply to #878

I already have a bunch of 3090 that I sent to them, so will use them on the first order, but might change to 3310 in the future.

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Teusku - Reply to #885

If you end up using the 3310 in the future, please release it as a new mouse so we don't get the whole jitterless Abyssus version -thing.

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hfcobra - Reply to #908

What do you mean?

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ģbst - Reply to #910

He means, he doesn't want two versions you can't tell apart, one that jitters (or has some problem) and one that doesn't.

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hfcobra - Reply to #911

Thanks! Although I hope the 3310 shell (if there is a different one) is similar to the 3090 version. It looks to be very comfortable.

Perhaps just a label on the bottom telling the difference then?

Edited by hfcobra at 09:29 CDT, 1 August 2014

<< Comment #862 @ 08:12 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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pvh

Welcome back. I'm still down for a couple of mice and pads.

<< Comment #866 @ 11:28 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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LLih

Awesome!

<< Comment #868 @ 11:41 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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megaman3

NP mate (as long as you release a cooller sticker version).

But then again, as a piece of advise it has to be said that the market was completely different when the project started. Back in the day there was one "holy grail mouse", the wmo and related, but now there's like 10, all new and shiny.

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ihve - Reply to #868

Cooller sticker!!!!

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popups - Reply to #868

The only thing that would excite me is a mouse very similar in shape to the Ozone Neon with a 3366 sensor.

I am fine with my two AMs. One is a 3090 (1800 CPI SROM) and the other will be a 3310.

Edited by popups at 13:24 CDT, 15 July 2014

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!nFerNo

Are we allowed to pre-order now?

edit: can I have some (marketing) material for some local advertisement?

Edited by !nFerNo at 14:03 CDT, 15 July 2014

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cumrag

maybe make a new thread once it's available for sale

<< Comment #877 @ 16:07 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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MaximilianKohler

Have you guys seen this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1440395/avago-3090...na-v2/0_50

That's the sensor BST is going to use.

Haven't there been a bunch of samples sent out to respected testers? Have they posted reviews anywhere?

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Tsubaki - Reply to #877

Glockateer is pretty picky about mice/smoothing and he said his was fine.

I'm pretty sure he had the 3050 version though

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acid_reptile - Reply to #877

Yes and it got discussed already. bst said he is picky about those things, and smoothing is reduced to a minimum. Guess only the few beta testers can answer that.

Edited by acid_reptile at 12:23 CDT, 16 July 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #877

I'm a bit unsure about those kinds of claims tbh - I haven't tried any other 4000 DPI 3090 mice... but I have the 3500 DPI version mice (like the G400), and it feels exactly the same to me.

The thing is I don't see anyone else but roach complaining about the 4000 DPI 3090 sensor. I looked through that thread and a fair amount of people say they notice it (albeit in a tiny amount) on the 3310 but I don't see much about the 3090. The smoothing can actually be demonstrated on the 3310 but I haven't seen it for the 3090.

What hes talking about sounds weird to me, I have tried really hard to notice latency and/or smoothing, in slow movements and flick shots, and if its there it must be absolutely minuscule.

Another thing that bothers me is that no one on that forum has seen the details of the SROM, and its something thats almost impossible to test for if its in such small amounts. His reasoning is something along the lines of "I tried to flick to a button on my browser and it feels weird", well maybe hes just not used to the shape? Or maybe there are minor tracking differences which aren't bad per se, but just different and need a chance to get used to. Could be many subjective things. But my point is that you couldn't get more of a wishy washy compliant and he seems to be the only one saying it.

I have used mice in the past which have small problems and something always feels off, and I've been able to narrow it down to a decent enough description which is repeatable, and other people also notice it. But to me it just seems like roach is either a cyborg who can notice things that hardly anyone else ever will, or just trolled ocn, either intentionally or unintentionally due to paranoia/OCD and jumping the gun. I mean we all know changing mice like that is going to mess up your aim a bit, especially if you're well used to another one, so he explains something we should all expect when switching mice, and disregards the established experience of many experienced/pro gamers, and attributes it to some vauge smoothing that he can't properly describe.

Also I blame the marketing of mice, with things like "if you're 0.5ns slower than the other guy you're going to DIE and LOSE everything!!!!", while it has an element of truth I feel its made some gamers into nervous wrecks and its sucking enjoyment out of having a nice bit of kit and playing the game you should find fun. Thats the main thing, you're spending a lot of your young years playing games, at least try and enjoy it, if you're not just go do something else tbh. A lot of people need to calm down, anger/frustration/paranoia from tiny little things is going to mess with your game more than the initial problem imo.

I don't mean to lay this all on you Max' :) I just wanted to say it to anyone who happens to read this.

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cumrag - Reply to #887

if you read his minimize input lag thread, you see there's a lot of confirmation bias in his testing.

<< Comment #882 @ 18:20 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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BalkanFM

hope everything will go smooth, and i just cant wait to play with this mouse

<< Comment #884 @ 23:13 CDT, 15 July 2014 >>

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megaman3

Three months until this projects' third birthday!

Kappa

<< Comment #889 @ 09:36 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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hfcobra

bst, do you plan to use the 3310 or 3366 in the future? I know that you said you might in a post a little higher up but I would just like to say it might be better to use the 3366 since it is slightly better than the 3310 and you would have one of the first mice with that sensor other than the G502.

The 3310 is already pretty much on a bunch of good mice right now. Don't get me wrong, the lightness and Omron switches in your mouse are not offered anywhere these days with a quality, up-to-date sensor like you have, but if you can make it just a little better and more up to date, why not? :)

Regardless I plan to buy your 3090 as well as the 3310 or 3366 version. Whichever you decide.

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end0rphine - Reply to #889

3366 is logitech exclusive. There might be a long wait until a new sensor comes out based on the 3366.

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hfcobra - Reply to #901

I see. Then I will not worry about it. I'll buy both to support bst then.

<< Comment #890 @ 10:24 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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megaman3

Having re-read this thread, now I want a sticker even more Kappa

I mean, why get this mouse instead of the much cheaper and flawless G100s, if there isn't a premium? At least get dkt as clipart for the box, or a ESR-logo temporary tattoo.

This is the same reasoning mainstream consumers have when purchasing mice. If one has lights and the other does not while both cost the same, you get the one with the lights.

Edited by megaman3 at 10:28 CDT, 17 July 2014

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horf - Reply to #890

G100s feels weird, I can't really put my finger on why but it just feels weird, though the buttons are great on it.

<< Comment #893 @ 13:04 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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acid_reptile - Reply to #892

Its the weight (removed or not) and cheap plastic. The same sensor in an old G1 shell would be a whole different story.

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horf - Reply to #893

The sensor feels weird, dare I say it inaccurate, not enough inaccuracy to really throw me off, but enough that I can feel it when I compare it with other mice.

<< Comment #896 @ 17:40 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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skulp - Reply to #894

come on

<< Comment #897 @ 18:05 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #896

What?

<< Comment #898 @ 18:17 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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skulp - Reply to #897

cg_placebo 1

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horf - Reply to #898

aye could be, it's just my experience testing it side by side with other mice, also as I said it's not enough of a weirdness to actually throw my aim off.

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skulp - Reply to #897

:d

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ollir - Reply to #890

Acting in the role of mainstream consumer, I will most definitely get the one without a single fucking light.

Edited by ollir at 09:15 CDT, 24 July 2014

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Teusku - Reply to #906

Well you're not a mainstream consumer, because trust me, mainstream consumers fucking love lights.

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!nFerNo - Reply to #909

Especially if those lights can change colours!

<< Comment #891 @ 10:27 CDT, 17 July 2014 >>

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loki993

Im definitely down for one of these for the size alone....even is its "only" got the 3390 I think it may be the smallest and lightest 3390 mouse around.

<< Comment #903 @ 04:34 CDT, 18 July 2014 >>

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Praxis - Reply to #891

3090

<< Comment #907 @ 09:47 CDT, 24 July 2014 >>

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loki993 - Reply to #903

You are correct..typo

<< Comment #912 @ 23:16 CDT, 25 July 2014 >>

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quakeisalive

shame about the logitech sensor/. I will wait for hyperion fury and decide which one to buy.

<< Comment #916 @ 10:55 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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ģbst

L1nkin testing the mouse now on stream: http://www.twitch.tv/l1nkinQL

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<< Comment #917 @ 12:05 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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sieger - Reply to #916

where to get that mouse! wmo with your sensor!!!! I want it so bad

<< Comment #919 @ 12:42 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #917

When its out you can make one, or someone can make one for you. Its pretty easy to do, if you can open mice and cut some plastic then thats all you need to do, it fits in and lines up with the buttons/switches etc. so theres no soldering or breaking the PCB needed.

<< Comment #921 @ 13:00 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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sieger - Reply to #919

ok I can also preorder if there is that option
also do you have any date for release?

<< Comment #923 @ 13:11 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #921

I'll put up the site for pre-orders when I know 100% the release date, but I think the release date will be about October. If you follow here I will post there when the pre-orders can be placed: https://www.facebook.com/ninoxtech
Thanks!

<< Comment #918 @ 12:34 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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Praxis - Reply to #916

http://www.twitch.tv/l1nkinql/b/553118942

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #918

Someone tell him to upload his video on youtube. Shitty twitch.tv blocked the first 30 minutes of his mouse review.

<< Comment #920 @ 12:50 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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Praxis - Reply to #916

I hope you're going to sell plenty of those quake editions.

<< Comment #930 @ 22:45 CDT, 1 August 2014 >>

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popups - Reply to #916

How much thicker would the feet be? You know you have to stay within lens' range of 2.3-2.5mm otherwise it would ruin tracking. So if you want to use thicker feet you need to change the plate thickness so the lens stays within the designed range.

<< Comment #949 @ 13:34 CDT, 8 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #930

They're fine, the sample I sent l1nkin has thinner feet than it should have, but actually can't tell any difference between those 0.5mm feet and 1mm feet. The final ones are 0.8mm.

The plate thickness is 1.6mm and the feet are 0.8mm = 2.4mm

<< Comment #922 @ 13:07 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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sonic

hi dst!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #924 @ 13:13 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #922

hi zonic!!!!

<< Comment #925 @ 15:04 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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lemming#13

yeah quake edition would be awesome. is that possible for the first batch / release?

<< Comment #927 @ 16:45 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #925

If he's serious about this then it's not going to happen. Id software would never allow selling, profiting with their property without making them money too.

The only thing that might be feasible is a ESR logo version, with express authorization.

<< Comment #929 @ 14:19 CDT, 1 August 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #927

Hmmm, true. /sadface

<< Comment #931 @ 15:31 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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resis - Reply to #927

I want one with Razer logo.

<< Comment #926 @ 16:37 CDT, 31 July 2014 >>

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horf

if you pick and bang the mouse on the desk does it click?

<< Comment #932 @ 16:18 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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Anonymous (90.2.27.63) - Reply to #926

replace mouse with woman

<< Comment #934 @ 17:06 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #932

I don't get it

<< Comment #933 @ 17:05 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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nemecel

Will you create me a WMO mod and send it to me? Im going insane trying to get my WMO at 500hz again, I swear Microsoft did something and patched Win7 to avoid the dseo fix.

<< Comment #935 @ 17:08 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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nemecel

Also anyone can give me a TL;DR of whatever happened? last i read was bst dissapeared and mouse was cancelled, but he is around again ...

Also can anyone confirm this is a better mouse than wmo? i dont care about nerd specs, i just care about responsible mouse like wmo.

<< Comment #936 @ 17:15 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #935

it's coming, hopefully by xmas.
Sensor-wise assuming it performs similar to the alcor's 4000cpi 3090 it should be better than the WMO, a lot better.

<< Comment #937 @ 18:10 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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Anonymous (90.2.27.63) - Reply to #936

Define better? He asked about responsivness and i am sure that new sensor have way more processing and more smoothing. So in terms of responsiveness unless you talk about the g402 you are about to get always more lag and smoothing compared to wmo sensor.

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horf - Reply to #937

I find it to be a bit less responsive than a g502 which is about as responsive as a mx518 which to me felt more responsive than a WMO.

So about the same as a WMO, though it's been a while since I used a WMO at 500/1000hz.

EDIT: by a lot better I mean that it would have better perfect control speed and have a higher dpi which is essential these days as monitors get higher resolutions.

Edited by Rauvz at 18:32 CDT, 2 August 2014

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odellus - Reply to #938

800-1000 dpi is going to be way more than enough for a long time. 6/11 1000 dpi @ 1440p is 6.5~ cm to move the cursor from the left edge of the monitor to the right, at 4k it's 9.6~ cm.

Edited by odellus at 18:51 CDT, 2 August 2014

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horf - Reply to #939

http://www.konr.co.uk/mouse/
"estimated useful dpi"

Edited by Rauvz at 19:22 CDT, 2 August 2014

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odellus - Reply to #940

?

<< Comment #942 @ 20:51 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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Anonymous (90.2.27.63) - Reply to #938

doesnt that theory of more than 400 dpi (aka pixel skip) maters only if the player use all of the folloing :

-realy high sensitivity (less than 10cm 360)
-low DPI mouse say 400
-very high resolution
-medium to low fov (ie fov 90- and when zooming as the fov drasticaly decrease then)

Is it right?

The website to calculate the lowest needed usefull dpi is wrong btw i remember injx talking about it : http://www.funender.com/quake/mouse/index.html

<< Comment #943 @ 22:38 CDT, 2 August 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #942

A link to to what injx said please.

Also, yes, extremes or well it depends on the game, no real point not using native res now though.

And no not really 15cm/360 with 100 fov at 1920x1080 needs a bit under 900 according to the calculator.
1920x1080 is pretty much standard now,.

<< Comment #944 @ 12:19 CDT, 3 August 2014 >>

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_ng

yo bst, i'm very interested into buying your new mouse + mouse-mat.

maybe you can contact me with pre-order details, or so.

greeting from germany!

<< Comment #947 @ 12:24 CDT, 8 August 2014 >>

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m1hka - Reply to #944

Same story.
Interested in both mousepad and mouse.
Please contact me @ m1hka@mail.ru or e.m1hka@gmail.com or pm.

I'm very glad that your project is back. Hope you'll please us with new ideas and projects in the future.
Cheers from Russia.

<< Comment #948 @ 12:24 CDT, 8 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #944

Thanks mate. If you follow the page on facebook, I'll post there when its ready:
http://www.facebook.com/ninoxtech
Or twitter if you prefer:
https://twitter.com/ninoxtech

<< Comment #945 @ 14:43 CDT, 4 August 2014 >>

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tzz

Hey, bst, any word on Mac compatibility even if the software doesn't work? Have you tried it?

Edited by tzz at 14:43 CDT, 4 August 2014

<< Comment #946 @ 12:22 CDT, 8 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #945

Sorry it took a while, but I got access to a mac today and tried it, it worked fine, and remembered the settings I had saved when it was plugged into the PC. I thought one of the beta testers had tested it on a mac but wanted to make sure.

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tzz - Reply to #946

Thanks, that's good to hear.

Does it correctly recognise mouse4 and mouse5? I don't know the reason, but some mice just report side buttons as the middle one on OS X.

<< Comment #960 @ 09:51 CDT, 12 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #950

I didn't test that, sorry. But I'll have a chance to test again tomorrow, so I'll let you know.

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ģbst - Reply to #950

I tested it and it reported them both as middle mouse buttons, when they were bound to IE forward and IE backwards. I went back to the PC and used the software to bind them to keyboard keys, and it worked. So its possible to use them on a Mac, as long as you bind your in-game action to the same keys as on the side buttons.

Edited by ģbst at 16:04 CDT, 15 August 2014

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tzz - Reply to #962

Oh well, not a big deal, thanks!

<< Comment #951 @ 15:57 CDT, 8 August 2014 >>

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Anonymous (178.254.0.120)

Bst please release the mouse as fast as you can. We need it before WW3.

<< Comment #952 @ 13:41 CDT, 9 August 2014 >>

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pussuw

Welcome back bst, and thank god you are back. I was really looking forward to this mouse and I'm glad you decided to release it after your small hiatus.

The reason I was hoping for your return is that I've just about had it with logitechs quality control. I obviously have a g100s now (MX300 is the only shape I will accept for a mouse), and this is my sixth within the year.

All of them have had defects with the mouse buttons, either they break within 1-4 weeks of purchase, or they squeak so loud you can hear it through closed headphones.

<< Comment #953 @ 17:35 CDT, 9 August 2014 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #952

I've had two G100s with faulty buttons. :(

<< Comment #955 @ 12:51 CDT, 10 August 2014 >>

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Vexin

Fuck yeah I knew keeping this bookmarked was a good idea.

Looking forward to buying the mouse. I got a Spawn in the meantime to keep me going.

<< Comment #956 @ 00:49 CDT, 11 August 2014 >>

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Shuki

Do you still intend to release the velocity at any stage?

Edited by Shuki at 00:50 CDT, 11 August 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #956

I tried to get the factory to do it at the same time as the Aurora, but they didn't want to do two projects at once, even though its pretty easy because the PCB fits the Velocity shell perfectly (only needed a shorter scroll wheel, and really small changes to the software).

The other problem is, the factory wants minimum order quantities, so I could finish the Velocity after the Aurora order has been manufactured, but in that situation it still costs quite a bit. So I think it may be better to pay a bit extra and make a 100% new shell, which I'd be more confident in having a wider appeal. But ofc, I would like to do both if I had the money ;D (because a new shell wouldn't be like the Velocity).

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Shuki - Reply to #959

Shame, I really liked the look of it in this picture you posted http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/20...design.jpg

Hopefully I will like the aurora.

Edited by Shuki at 23:32 CDT, 13 August 2014

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Praxis

http://www.twitch.tv/l1nkinql/b/556709773

<< Comment #964 @ 17:53 CDT, 18 August 2014 >>

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Dreadful05

Checked this post on a whim. Glad to see you're not dead and that you plan to release the mouse still. Although I doubt I'll get one now. Stretched my Deathadders life as long as I could before giving up on this mouse being released and buying a Naos 7000.

<< Comment #965 @ 19:22 CDT, 18 August 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #964

Does he? It's been more than a month since he's back and still no progress whatsoever

Kappa? Kipa?

<< Comment #966 @ 20:05 CDT, 18 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #965

There has been progress but I just haven't said much, I had to go over everything with the factory again (to make sure nothings been forgotten), and send them a couple of things which took 1 week each, time just adds up. But this week should be sending the deposit over. Then its 30-40 days to make them and about a weeks shipping. So its not far away :)

<< Comment #967 @ 00:06 CDT, 19 August 2014 >>

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noacc

so what is about start motion latency and click latency? Any tests or estiomations for those?

<< Comment #968 @ 00:54 CDT, 19 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #967

I haven't done a test for start motion latency, I don't have a high speed camera :( But it feels good, no noticeable delays.

The only click latency test I've done was this:
A=G400 B=Aurora
http://i.imgur.com/djztzzP.jpg
There was a group test done with that program, can't remember what site it was on now, but the G400 was one of the best.

Also I can get pretty low scores on the reflex test with it, if that counts for anything ;) Just done one now @ 166ms, especially for you ;) look for bst:
http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/allresults.php

<< Comment #969 @ 07:06 CDT, 19 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #968

would be great if you can make manufacturer and software developers perform those measurements. This will be great selling point for your mice because noone of the manufacturers are specifiying exact click lag and motion start lag.

Should be pretty easy for them to accurately determine which time it takes for the signal to appear on the USB contacts after mouse1 was actuated. For start motion its bit harder but surely they can do actuator which moves the mouse with a coil spring which disconnect some contact which is in trun registered on the oscilloscope and 1st counts to appear in USB cable of mouse. If actuator placed in contact with mouse shell prior to releasing we can safely assume that actuation lag will be no more than 1-2ms if coil spring is strong enough.

<< Comment #970 @ 08:51 CDT, 19 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #969

Well I did ask the factory some time ago and they said "The main button input latency is within 1ms". But since its not a test that I've done myself I don't mention it, since I can't offer any proof. Also afaik it can't be better than 1ms, due to the USB polling rate, but I took it to mean aside from that.

The start motion test sounds good, what you describe about the actuator is a solenoid, maybe you could do it with synchronised clocks, eg a mouse movement recorder on the computer with timestamps, synchronised to a clock in the real world which pauses when the solenoid fires.

I could ask the factory to do these tests, but I think I'd rather do them myself, so I know for sure, also sounds kind of fun ;)

<< Comment #971 @ 09:03 CDT, 19 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #970

main point is that you need to analyze USB bus signals to get precise measurements. And that is not easily achievable for ppl who are not involved in programming on the regular basis.

Also why not ask them for test reports and the exact method so you can test yourself. You are making gaming mouse in the end and those parameters do matter.

You can turn it like you need to be able to prove to your customers that your product is superior hence you need it, not because you do not trust them. It is actually important for Asians, I had some bad expirience in that regard when I was working with their electronic manufacturers and R&Ds.

P.S. And it actually do not need to be better then 1ms.

Edited by noacc at 09:07 CDT, 19 August 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #971

Ok, I've sent them a mail about it :)

Edited by ģbst at 09:49 CDT, 19 August 2014

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<< Comment #973 @ 19:05 CDT, 19 August 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #972

what about sending a beta version to noacc himself, now that he's testing input lag..
http://esreality.com/post/2640619/input-lag-tests-ql-cs-osu/

<< Comment #975 @ 12:08 CDT, 21 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #973

I'll send him one when its released if he wants to test it, I don't have anything left to send out atm though :(

<< Comment #992 @ 16:21 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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noacc - Reply to #972

yea would be nice if we could get accurate data for at least one mouse

<< Comment #974 @ 10:53 CDT, 21 August 2014 >>

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Vexin

Hey bst can you mage a page where we can submit our emails and be mass contacted when the mouse is available for order/preorder? I don't use facebook and I don't always remember to check back to this thread.

<< Comment #976 @ 12:08 CDT, 21 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #974

Newsletter here:
https://tinyletter.com/ninox

<< Comment #977 @ 15:59 CDT, 26 August 2014 >>

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resis

Hurry BST! The Unreal Tournament 4 pre-alpha is played and needs proper gear.

<< Comment #993 @ 16:29 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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pacmanpl - Reply to #977

It doesn't matter which mouse you will use it will feel like shit in UT ]:=)

<< Comment #1098 @ 12:41 CDT, 20 September 2014 >>

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resis - Reply to #993

I'm sure it will improve.

<< Comment #978 @ 15:37 CDT, 27 August 2014 >>

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m1hka

I would like to know about mouse skates (glides or whatever).
Could I order a bunch of it with mouses?

<< Comment #981 @ 08:29 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #978

Theres an extra set in the box, but I'll get some extra ones to sell separately too.

<< Comment #979 @ 16:44 CDT, 27 August 2014 >>

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filo

cmon bst it has been many winters now and this razer cloud software is not helping.

:)

<< Comment #980 @ 08:28 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #979

Looks like its on track for about middle of October :)

<< Comment #983 @ 10:05 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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filo - Reply to #980

i signed up so no worries i will know exactly when you will be finished.

<< Comment #982 @ 08:29 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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ģbst

IMPORTANT UPDATE: STICKER IS CONFIRMED

<< Comment #984 @ 12:30 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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pshych0 - Reply to #982

sweet :)

<< Comment #985 @ 12:43 CDT, 28 August 2014 >>

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rockz - Reply to #982

what do you do with all the money you will own?!?

<< Comment #986 @ 02:56 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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m1hka - Reply to #985

I don't think that it would be a whole lot of money ;)

<< Comment #991 @ 16:05 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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resis - Reply to #985

Paying off the debts until no money left.

<< Comment #1013 @ 17:25 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #982

Now it needs endorsement, such as a photo of sujoy in the box

<< Comment #1029 @ 15:41 CDT, 7 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1013

lol autoreply

Rapha, cypher and cooller are taken. What's left that's kind of known outside quake, besides sujoy.

<< Comment #1031 @ 21:33 CDT, 7 September 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #1029

Get zoot/ddk to do it and use it on stream.

<< Comment #1032 @ 23:32 CDT, 7 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1031

Was thinking about 2gd, wheat and other internet personalities. No one knows zoot outside quake and ddk is only known as the guy that sometimes casts cs starladder and faceit, which still isn't that much.

<< Comment #1033 @ 08:51 CDT, 8 September 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #1032

Djwheat did lots if quake casting in the past, maybe he can?

<< Comment #987 @ 04:44 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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waruk

After the mouse/pad are done would you think about also doing high friction pad? Not rough or textured, but similar to a worn down QCK.

There's an untapped niche market for it since every company does low friction only.

<< Comment #989 @ 13:11 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #987

I could do, the factory sent me quite a few samples, it was like:
- really smooth
- QCK type
- Rougher than QCK
- Small weave control type
- Large weave control type

<< Comment #988 @ 07:34 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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lemming#13

Is there still this mousepad deal if you get 2 mice at once?

<< Comment #998 @ 02:53 CDT, 1 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #988

The deal I have on there at the moment is 10% off if you buy a mouse and mouse mat. I might make it 15%...

I can't remember talking about that mouse mat deal, was it buy two mice and get a free pad? I could probably do that.

<< Comment #1001 @ 04:19 CDT, 1 September 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #998

Yes that's what I remember. But I can't find the post so I don't expect you to do that now.

<< Comment #990 @ 13:16 CDT, 29 August 2014 >>

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NitroBullet

Hey bst, I sent you a message via your Ninox Facebook page. Might wanna check it out.

<< Comment #994 @ 09:05 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #990

Cheers, might take you up on that when I've got some stock :)

<< Comment #995 @ 09:16 CDT, 31 August 2014 >>

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ģbst

I've been doing some testing and found that a gridded design on the mouse mat allows better performance at higher speeds, especially on the tight weave of the Ninox mat.

I tested with plain paper vs gridded paper and got 1m/s higher tracking speed. Also the Aurora does perform best on the talent pad and the razer control pads (wider weave is kind of like a grid).

Heres how it looks on the black pad, I used hexagons because squares look dull, theres not really anything else I could do that looked good :/ But just thought I'd show what its going to look like so anyone planning on getting one would know what to expect. The end result would be slightly duller lines, just looks brighter on the monitor:

http://ninox.org/media/design_450x350.jpg

Also at the moment I don't have the budget to get the extra large one, just going to go with the 450x350 one for the time being, and most will be black, since most people if offered ask for black :)
(red will be more of a test of the water). I'm sorry about the extra large one but I had no choice :(

Edited by ģbst at 09:20 CDT, 31 August 2014

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Anonymous (90.44.42.168) - Reply to #995

grey would be better because you see less the dirt on grey surfaces

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zb0t - Reply to #1000

No this way you know you have to clean!

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end0rphine - Reply to #995

What sort of texture did you end up choosing? Rougher than Qck would be cool.

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Anonymous (82.13.242.115) - Reply to #995

What sort of texture did you end up choosing? Rougher than Qck would be cool.

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cumrag - Reply to #995

how about something like this, 80s retro?

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noacc - Reply to #995

looks nice

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ģbst - Reply to #995

I done some more testing with the pad and found that turning it round 90 degrees improved the tracking speed a lot, so it doesn't need the grid any more. Also found that different sized grids and different brightness of it can have detrimental effects, so not going to bother with it any more. The good thing is though, that the weave rotated 90 degrees is still smooth, but has a small amount of roughness to it which makes it a nice combination of speed and control. So I'm really happy now with how its going to turn out.

Also I took this photo of the weave next to a ruler showing millimetres:
http://i.imgur.com/raqwL5J.jpg
You can kind of see why it now has more control and how there is more definition for the sensor to read on the horizontal plane. Also that the weave is really, really tiny! xD (its very difficult to see it with the naked eye)

Edited by ģbst at 09:51 CDT, 10 September 2014

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cumrag - Reply to #1043

what's the edges look like?

<< Comment #1046 @ 11:03 CDT, 10 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1044

Just normal. I was going to add stitching around the edges but a lot of people didn't want it. The edges haven't been a problem though, so not too worried about it. Also it doesn't have really sharp edges like some mats do.

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dynodeath - Reply to #1046

sharp edges are irritating mostly on moouse moving up the mat, and general side to side windows usage. As long as that isn't there then that sounds ace. ( I didn't see the real edge there!)

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nvc

1000

15%

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cumrag - Reply to #996

lol

51%

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ģbst - Reply to #996

I saw you get #1000 but now its changed to #999 O_o

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metalboy - Reply to #999

ninja

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zb0t - Reply to #999

A fucker deleted his post to mess with nvc!

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megaman3 - Reply to #996

Counting the posts from the other thread

3771th

Edited by megaman3 at 18:08 CDT, 2 September 2014

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Anonymous (187.35.103.14)

bst since you are now answering and im keep watching this thread
if the mice gonna be released..
you will allow Ship world-wide? im from Brazil and addicted to mices(have 15)

<< Comment #1008 @ 16:12 CDT, 2 September 2014 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #1007

weird fetish but hey whatever makes you happy :D

<< Comment #1010 @ 13:42 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1007

Yeah will ship to Brazil :)

<< Comment #1011 @ 14:32 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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ģbst

Thought I'd upload a quick vid of an Enotus speed test, seen some people ask for it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXwKBg8QN0I

<< Comment #1051 @ 06:02 CDT, 11 September 2014 >>

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MINOesr - Reply to #1011

Hi.

Could you do some speed tests with Microe MouseTester ?
DL from OCN : http://www.overclock.net/attachments/18914

Will appreciate if you can do some runs at low dpi registries,it should provide reliable info in scale of counts skipping and polling stability/fluctuation.It can outpout generated graph on PNG archive. Thanks

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ģbst - Reply to #1051

Ok here you go, I done from right to left because its easier for me to swipe the mouse that way, its why the graphs are 'upside down' ;)

400 DPI 500hz:
http://i.imgur.com/Pze5M2t.png

400 DPI 1000hz:
http://i.imgur.com/j6t8tqP.png

800 DPI 500hz:
http://i.imgur.com/Mnhp51l.png

800 DPI 1000hz:
http://i.imgur.com/1LQjRVO.png

Edited by ģbst at 16:49 CDT, 11 September 2014

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MINOesr - Reply to #1054

Great thanks ;ˇ) Other question :

Its possible to turn off Wheel LED? I saw LED Pulse setting can be setup to a max value of 3,means it changing to 0? Thanks
Sometimes LED can turn asyncronous to the sleeping state of OS.

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ģbst - Reply to #1057

You can change the brightness (0 = led off) and pulse rate (0 = pulse off). This is what I have it set to which is just a bright blue with no pulse: http://i.imgur.com/UFLIuLP.jpg

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MINOesr - Reply to #1058

Hope any change done via software setup works and its saved correctly.
Talking about software suggestions,would be interesting to compile it as a "portable" ,whereas its not needed a Installation wizard or any package extractor,just running the bynary(.exe) will load the entire interface. Have some interest for users that have restricted permissions on User privileges , Corrupted data or oftenly attacked by Operation timeouts .Anyway normal installation has his own advantages in terms of data storage.So doing a "Run mode selector" would be a good idea Imo.
Checkout http://www.hades-gaming.com/Ap/Ares%20H1_GamerToolkit_TW.exe Havent found any problem with this this type of execution via Ares software.
Thanks

<< Comment #1063 @ 07:44 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1061

Hope any change done via software setup works and its saved correctly.

Works fine, can't speak for every single computer of course but its worked without any problems on every PC so far.

I'll look into the portable version of the software :) Thanks for the suggestion.

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MINOesr - Reply to #1063

If it has,How is the macro editor(inside macro manager)[Can you leak some pictures about it?],[Which features it include]? From what i can see in manual gives me a limited perspective and knowledge about the macro function. Since side buttons are added,would be great to improve and maximize the utility of macro manager/editor for different concepts of usage(complex operations for any type of game genre , desktop scripts etc.).Ending this let me do another question: Can you export & import individual macro records(not profiles)? .

Following the line of "Ares gaming" :

Talking about macro features ; again will highlight the ability of changing the Execution mode(loop,2 phase,one stage,multi-stage...),Instruction cycle,insertion of custom HID code,individual and exact delay keystrokey value editor and some other features via the macro editor,probably less used via a common user.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GAXurFa.png?1[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qNUfX3n.png?1[/IMG]

As for Interface design personally i dont find a problem taking it to a classical look,grey scaled & boxed shaped,at least will consume less resources+boot time from HW.Could you check How much memory takes when software is running in background?

Does side buttons works well when assigned in a game and when assigned to a macro?,i found some mices that do a inverse where side buttons assignment
are inversed in-game(i mean MOUSE4|MOUSE5). Could you checkout side buttons latency?

Could you post a pic of the exact mouse weight on current phase, inc/excl mouse cable with a weight indicator?

Thanks

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ģbst - Reply to #1065

Heres a pic of the macro manager:
http://i.imgur.com/FuvBXTe.jpg

Album showing the things you can bind to buttons:
http://imgur.com/a/MBWzM

Macros are part of the profile at the moment. Could change if people want them separate.

The macro manager isn't really that advanced, you can insert custom delays and have them loop. You can edit the macro and delays etc. once its been made. The pic above pretty much shows everything. They work on the side buttons as they should.

The software takes 3.6mb when running in the background, but thats just a monitor to make it easier to access in the system tray, it doesn't need to be loaded. The mouse remembers the full profile and macros etc without the software needing to run. When the software is open it takes up 16mb memory + the 3.6mb of the monitor so 19.6mb in total.

Heres a pic of the weight, in this photo it has the cord still attached:
http://i.imgur.com/Rq5mTHH.jpg

<< Comment #1072 @ 16:12 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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MINOesr - Reply to #1067

Thanks for the response 8)

Can you release updated photos for the current build of the mouse? Interested on seeing them from a top view and side view if possible Turned ON

Shape thingy [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0KKgZ4o.jpg?1[/IMG]

-Dont know if consider this a major thing but through these shell gaps mice could accumulate dirt,dust and grease more evident for users with sweaty hands ,falling to pcb with time. Maybe making a close design for the rear part could take some degree of consideration for this matter.

Edited by MINOesr at 16:21 CDT, 12 September 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #1072

Ok I'll post some new photos soon.
But you can see it from a lot of angles here:
http://erasem.com/gallery/
The shape hasn't changed, only difference externally is a glowing logo.

About the shell gaps: the front buttons clip onto the rear part of the shell, so the back part of the shell is underneath. They are in there tight enough that nothing gets all the way around. I found an old photo of it so you can see: http://i.imgur.com/184xdIC.jpg

Edited by ģbst at 16:30 CDT, 12 September 2014

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MINOesr - Reply to #1073

Looks well.

Just to confirm so setting LED settings via software will affect Wheel LED and logo glow LED?

<< Comment #1079 @ 17:52 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1078

Yes.

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MINOesr - Reply to #1079

What about thinking on a possibility of upgrading the switches rating from 10m to 20m with the same omrom switch model D2FC-F-7N. Upgrading cost ?*or maybe alternatives

How you feel the clicking feel,how is the actuation force,How is the level of noise,can you describe it or compare to something or "record" it?

<< Comment #1085 @ 12:13 CDT, 13 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1081

I like the 10Ms, they last well and have a nice feel... I heard some complaints about the 20Ms like not feeling as good and not lasting long, strangely enough.

Operation force is centred on 65gf+-10gf (there will always be up to a 20gf variance between one mouse and another). So I could explain how it feels but might be a little different to what you'd end up with if you bought one. But as standard the D2FC is centred on 75gf so as a general rule they have a lighter actuation force and are quieter than standard.

<< Comment #1087 @ 13:43 CDT, 13 September 2014 >>

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MINOesr - Reply to #1085

Yes,agree got some issues with 20m ,clicking not registering & double clicking after some time of usage ,(possible defective),also a bit noisy,may have some pseudo-psychological effect :ˇ)).10m should independently for each mice unit fit well. Thanks for the details.

Software suggestion ; idea comes just for cleaning internal memory storage from MCU,i know some personal cases where software starts malfunctions when storaging data into it or just bugs on specific operations,so main idea is to integrate a button or clickable box for formatting the internal memory and keep it clean if bugs appear.

Edited by MINOesr at 04:14 CDT, 14 September 2014

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MINOesr - Reply to #1063

Any update regarding to software portability ? Did you look it?

Compability would give another small great step thought, if you give some support for linux distributions users albeit you can setup on win and go back to linux.

Added Interpolated dpi steps throught software below (<400),can be useful for slow motion environments, if it doesnt give a noticeable impact at input latency(graphic designing,soft with internal mouse controllers...) ,makes think of sensor upgrade.

Thanks

Edited by MINOesr at 06:50 CDT, 4 October 2014

<< Comment #1062 @ 07:07 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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dynodeath - Reply to #1054

man o man n1 :)

<< Comment #1012 @ 16:21 CDT, 3 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (189.111.25.157)

Good luck bst! ill buy for sure.. make it light and wmo~g100s shape perfect sensor and i buy like 5

<< Comment #1015 @ 10:04 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1012

Cool, thanks :)
(it is lightweight and that kind of shape ;))

<< Comment #1014 @ 06:08 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (95.91.215.85)

Ist there any chance to purchase just the sensor and what ever is needed to build a WMO with the new sensor?

<< Comment #1016 @ 10:20 CDT, 4 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1014

Better to just buy the mouse, the expensive part is the PCB, so its not much of a saving to buy only the PCB, also its difficult for me to do it with regards to FCC and CE certification.

The mod works well though. Something you would want to do is take a transparent DVD case, and cut out part of its spine, you can use that to shape a nice wheel holder (it fits in perfectly), thats the only thing you have to add though (the rest of the mod is just removing bits of the WMO shell which are in the way).

<< Comment #1017 @ 19:41 CDT, 5 September 2014 >>

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Sopsy

I have a small but rather important question about the mouse. How much smoothing it has? In other words how many ms of delay is added by processing?

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ģbst - Reply to #1017

As far as I know, since the sensor's camera works at over 6000FPS, it will have to finish any processing in 0.16ms or there would be a backlog in movement data, which would be a serious problem (it would change direction more slowly and carry on moving the cursor when the mouse has stopped moving).

If the sensor has to process movement in 0.16ms, it can't really be improved much there, it only leaves the MCU and firmware to worry about. The Aurora firmware has no smoothing added, so the latency should be pretty much as low as it can get, since it has no added processing or gimmicky things added which could slow things down.

In practice I don't notice any latency, ofc there is some, due to the monitor latency etc, but to me its not humanly noticeable.

I think overall, you can trust a sensor more than firmware, since sensors are made by experts who have to please other experts. However firmware can be written by anyone, its not held up to the same standards. So you could find the same sensors in mice which have very different feeling and latency.

<< Comment #1028 @ 13:25 CDT, 7 September 2014 >>

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Sopsy - Reply to #1018

If it doesn't have the smoothing that all of the current 3090 sensor mice suffer from it definitely is damn near perfect for me. Thanks for replying!

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terrorhead - Reply to #1017

I'm pretty sure r0ach will decide how much smoothing this mouse has, so just wait till he gets it.

Edited by terrorhead at 01:06 CDT, 6 September 2014

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Praxis - Reply to #1019

Discover > Decide

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terrorhead - Reply to #1025

:D

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nvc - Reply to #1019

What games does r0ach play? Or does he just talk?!

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terrorhead - Reply to #1034

I dunno man, he never really mentions what games he plays.

<< Comment #1036 @ 10:22 CDT, 8 September 2014 >>

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Zwiebi - Reply to #1035

MS Excel 4.0. The newer versions are adding input lag. Excel 97 fixed some of it, but 4.0 is still the best.

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Rjven - Reply to #1034

pretty sure he plays LoL. Not even kidding.

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zb0t

bst pls

stop teasing

<< Comment #1021 @ 04:34 CDT, 6 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (89.135.4.138)

What is the grip like on the unpainted grainy plastic sides? This is my only concern since my hands sweat like crazy and I use a fingertip grip. The UV coating on the FK works pretty well for me.

One of my first mice was an Abyssus and it's glossy sides made it a nightmare to use. I literally smashed it to pieces a few days after I got it. I don't wanna do that to the Aurora :P

<< Comment #1022 @ 08:03 CDT, 6 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1021

Its kind of like the WMO grainy plastic if you've used one.

Probably not too late to get it UV coated, whats that like? The bottom and sides of the mouse are one single part, so if it gets a coating it can't be too sticky like a rubber coating.

<< Comment #1027 @ 11:21 CDT, 6 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (89.135.4.138) - Reply to #1022

I'll get a WMO off ebay and see what it's like. Nothing can be worse than an Abyssus, that's for sure.

The UV coating only becomes sticky with moisture. If you're hands are dry it's actually quite slippery but as soon as you start to sweat, the grip improves dramatically. The coating will deteriorate over time though so the unpainted grainy plastic is probably better in terms of longevity.

Even if the surface isn't ideal for me, I'll make it work somehow because everything else about the mouse seems too good to pass up.

<< Comment #1053 @ 08:23 CDT, 11 September 2014 >>

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ffx - Reply to #1027

I don't have sweaty hands hence I never had any problems with the abyssus but with my wmo I sometimes get sweaty hands and then it is like holding a fucking soap in your hand :D. I blame it on the cheapest pvc there is :/

<< Comment #1082 @ 05:54 CDT, 13 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (192.252.128.123) - Reply to #1022

I have both a WMO and an Abyssus. Unfortunately the WMO is even more slippery than the Abyssus when your hands start sweating (I have sweaty hands too). A good mouse for me is the G100s, its coating makes it "immune" to sweat and I can easily keep a steady grip on it.

<< Comment #1083 @ 07:05 CDT, 13 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1082

Well the Aurora is nothing like a bar of soap like emoFX said about the WMO, and I've never experienced it being slippery or I would have felt the need to do something about it, so maybe I'm wrong about it being like a WMO. Its just that it has a grain on the plastic, so I assumed its the same. TBH I haven't used the WMO much, I used to play with the IMO, which was quite slippery, but I put it down to its mound like shape.

I actually find the Aurora to be too grippy sometimes, I have to wash my hands because I don't like the feeling of too much stickiness, kind of makes my fingers stutter over the mouse if that makes sense? I prefer the mouse to be grippy from its shape rather than the surface being sticky. I don't mind if the surface is a bit slippery as long as the shape doesn't make it an issue Oo

<< Comment #1086 @ 13:31 CDT, 13 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (209.171.144.103) - Reply to #1082

I found the WMO very slippery as well. Fixed it by sanding it with very fine grit sandpaper, 1000 grit I think. Still looks normal as well.

<< Comment #1023 @ 08:22 CDT, 6 September 2014 >>

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sonic

lol

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ģbst - Reply to #1023

<< Comment #1030 @ 16:27 CDT, 7 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (216.8.136.34)

This is very interesting and for this price I would be willing to pay in advance to try it.

Do you have a payment system set up yet? I'm in Canada, but also have a US of A shipping address, which would be cheaper for you to ship to?

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ģbst - Reply to #1030

Will be putting the site up soon, its actually waiting for the shipping charges at the moment. But I doubt there will be a big difference between Canada and USA.

Edited by ģbst at 09:41 CDT, 10 September 2014

<< Comment #1039 @ 11:06 CDT, 9 September 2014 >>

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horf

October ETA still being kept?

<< Comment #1041 @ 09:40 CDT, 10 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1039

Yeah, not sure at the moment exactly when in October, but can rule out the first week or two, unless things go quicker than I expect. But I'll be more precise about it soon!

<< Comment #1045 @ 10:35 CDT, 10 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1041

As weird as this might sound....if you need to take more time to perfect the mouse, please take it.

After all we want that perfection and we've waiting for 3 years already, so we can wait a couple more months.

Edited by megaman3 at 10:36 CDT, 10 September 2014

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1045

At this stage the mouse should be finished. Otherwise October would be out of the question.

<< Comment #1048 @ 13:13 CDT, 10 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1045

Its all done now, they're in the process of being made at the moment. I wouldn't call it perfect, I didn't get to do everything I wanted to do, it would be nicer to have a custom shell and the 3366 sensor, but thats a different price point anyway. But overall it does what I wanted, and no one should have any big problems with it. I'll take any suggestions on board from customers and hopefully I can move forward to make even better mice.

<< Comment #1049 @ 21:14 CDT, 10 September 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #1048

What are the things you wanted to do?

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ģbst - Reply to #1049

Mostly just a in-house designed shell (I can put my 'inventions' onto it and it'll look more how I wanted), also I would have liked an arm mcu, would have been able to mess around with it myself then ;D but like I said it would have made it more expensive anyway. So I just hope the Aurora does well, then I can do those things in the future.

Edited by ģbst at 05:22 CDT, 11 September 2014

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1050

Nothing ever is perfect. That is why trying to make it so is such a big trap. Work hard hand try to achieve the best under the given circumstances and restrictions - yes. Trying to perfect something is just not working.

In that sense, if the mouse delivers what you said, I think it would be save to say you made it as best as you possibly could. A new sensor, an even better shell can come with a new mouse if this one is a success. Will they be perfect? Hell, no. But maybe even better :)

<< Comment #1055 @ 17:03 CDT, 11 September 2014 >>

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turnschuh

Hey, im very happy you can continue your project bst!

Have some questions, sorry if they ve been answered before but the thread is a mess^^

How does the Aurora feel compared to the WMO? I heard they are very similar but the Aurora looks wider (maybe because its just a bit shorter).
It looks like shape is more similar to the g100s (?), but havent had any chance to test it yet. Only thing i know is that i like the WMO shape or even the FK1 shape alot. Will it fit me?

Anyways i ll probably buy it just because of the low weight, side buttons and sensor anyways. Maybe i ll also like the shape more in the end. Who knows.

When do you think will the mousepad be available?
Would be cool to buy it as a Bundle with the mouse =)

Thanks for your work and all. Keep it up!

Edited by turnschuh at 18:35 CDT, 11 September 2014

<< Comment #1056 @ 17:28 CDT, 11 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1055

It feels a lot like a wmo, if you cut the flared parts from the back. The curve on the side view is really similar. I think it feels slightly thinner than a WMO because the sides go in slightly like the FK, sort of looks like this from the front view \__/

The mouse mat should be out the same time as the mouse, and yes I will do a bundle :)

Thanks!

<< Comment #1059 @ 18:45 CDT, 11 September 2014 >>

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turnschuh - Reply to #1056

Great!
Didnt know that it also has a V like shape.
Nice to hear that the mat will be also available in a bundle then!

Thanks for answering!

EDIT: ah now i figured out how to reply properly

Edited by turnschuh at 18:53 CDT, 11 September 2014

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megaman3 - Reply to #1056

For your next project, for me the very best thing about the holy grail (wmo) is that it had flat and tall sides. Perfect mouse for LG.

That millimeters difference and slight angle from the abyssus alone meant it isn't as good for that

<< Comment #1064 @ 09:23 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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loki993

Enough already!!!!...take my money..heres my money.....

In all seriousness though Id preorder one right now if I could.

Sorry if its already been mentioned but I didn't see it...but how much is the pad going to run?

<< Comment #1066 @ 11:24 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1064

Hm, if end of October is still the date to save, I think pre-orders would be nice at this point too.

<< Comment #1068 @ 13:00 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1066

I was going to leave it until the end of September, because thats when they'll be finished and inspected, so at that point I'll have the best idea when they'll arrive. But I suppose I can put them up with a more vague release date until then, so if I can I'll put it up sooner.

<< Comment #1069 @ 13:43 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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BalkanFM - Reply to #1068

ive waited patiently for this, i just hope theres enough to go around....

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zb0t - Reply to #1068

You forgot to reply to loki

<< Comment #1071 @ 14:28 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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loki993

Its just a small curiously....ballpark is good..just really wondering if it will be expensive or cheaper. I use a 9 dollar QCK right now and it does the job fine. I guess I never saw the point of a 30+ dollar pad.

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ģbst - Reply to #1071

I will have the exact prices soon, but its likely to be about $16 ex tax. I wanted to do it cheaper but retailers don't like the small margins, which only leaves me with the option of making mine smaller (and they were already small) or increasing the MSRP, and I have to sell at the MSRP on the site because if I don't it undercuts retailers :( (apart from doing a discount for a bundle deal (mouse + pad).

Edited by ģbst at 16:58 CDT, 12 September 2014

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dynodeath - Reply to #1074

btw will your mouse, set my usb port to the right hz? where the pre-order link on both :)

<< Comment #1077 @ 17:48 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1076

It comes set to 500hz as standard, but you can set it to 1000hz in the software.

I'll put pre-order links up soon but I can't put it on here (on esr), someone else can, just not me (against the rules). All I can say is follow me on twitter or facebook (links in the original/first post) and I will announce there when the pre-orders are up on there.

<< Comment #1080 @ 18:51 CDT, 12 September 2014 >>

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grume

did you write the driver software yourself or did someone else do it?

i was thinking of ideas that would set it apart from others if you ever get time after its done:

-calculate DPI needed using this formula http://www.funender.com/quake/mouse/index.html
-built in markc acceleration fix
-mousewheel "safety" so that accidental single scrolls are ignored
-rapid fire click macro

advanced mouse settings:
-built in quake acceleration / acceloffset / senscap
-prediction option with different levels

Edited by grume at 18:53 CDT, 12 September 2014

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terrorhead

Wow this is really happening. I'll order at least 2.

<< Comment #1088 @ 19:36 CDT, 13 September 2014 >>

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joeljensen

How much input lag will there be on the switches?

<< Comment #1089 @ 01:03 CDT, 14 September 2014 >>

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grume - Reply to #1088

probably not that accurate but he did a test here

http://www.esreality.com/post/2487925/new-gam...pid2642498

it's equal or better to the G400 which according to http://www.esreality.com/files/inlineimages/2...130728.jpg is one of the fastest switches

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ģbst - Reply to #1088

This is the best I have at the moment:
http://www.esreality.com/post/2173191/new-gam...pid2464805

That test is not too bad if you press the buttons together hard and fast enough that no other factors like button stiffness can skew the results too much.

So on that test, it was pretty much the same as G400, which on this graph is roughly the same as the g100s:
http://cdn.overclock.net/e/e7/e7b441c1_respon...140907.png

So I'd guess the input lag is similar to the G100s in this test here:
Logitech G100s 14ms (9ms..16ms) (In Quake Live)
http://www.esreality.com/post/2640619

<< Comment #1094 @ 15:55 CDT, 14 September 2014 >>

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joeljensen - Reply to #1092

Could it be possible to send a sample to this guy: http://utmalesoldiers.blogspot.com/ and let him test it? Your mouse would be the perfect one for me if it would have low input lag on the switches + a WMO shell.

<< Comment #1090 @ 05:40 CDT, 14 September 2014 >>

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neologan

one question - for lefties, are there side buttons on both sides, like an fk?

If not, i can't really get one, and that makes me ultra sad :(

<< Comment #1093 @ 11:16 CDT, 14 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1090

No, sorry.
Next mouse planned in the future has them though.

<< Comment #1091 @ 06:15 CDT, 14 September 2014 >>

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Raist

dont try to make it perfect, it will never be perfect for 100% of your customers, especially quakers :D I am willing to bet you have already surpassed or equalled all flawless sensor mice out there by now and rest is the shape, which is pure preference anyway.

that being said, please let me know either from pm or reply on how I should paypal / Wire transfer you once you can ship out one aurora and that mousepad, state the price (whatever you will deem fit and profitable for you+shipping charges) and I will finish the deal right away!

<< Comment #1095 @ 16:57 CDT, 14 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (77.95.53.23)

How is the LOD compared to WMO? Is it comparable, or higher? Also, how is the LOD on a Qck+ mousepad, if you tested it by any chance?

<< Comment #1099 @ 04:04 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1095

Its really similar to a WMO, it won't track at all at 2 CDs on a QCK.

<< Comment #1105 @ 07:40 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (77.95.53.23) - Reply to #1099

Perfect, thanks for the response :)

<< Comment #1096 @ 11:58 CDT, 16 September 2014 >>

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megaman3

You know what, you should "just" get sujoy for the endorsement. Completely forgot that he made the mouseguide -which is the only reason why this site is somewhat known- and he's a sort of internet personality now, in 2gd's studio thing.

2gd himself and wheat would be quite nice as well.

<< Comment #1100 @ 04:18 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1096

NIce idea, I find it hard to get in contact with them though :(

But also I want to make sure everything is working well on a small scale, even though it'd be nice to get loads of customers, I don't want to expand too fast and not been able to prepare for it.

<< Comment #1104 @ 06:00 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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zealot - Reply to #1096

nice idea, apart from the fact that sujoy did endorse a mouse in the past: the razer boomslang 2000 ...

i never had a more broken mouse delivered to my doorstep ever, maybe he's not the best option for this :d

<< Comment #1113 @ 13:05 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1104

It had a funny looking shape. What more do you want?

<< Comment #1121 @ 06:26 CDT, 24 September 2014 >>

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zealot - Reply to #1113

:DD: :(

maybe a ball mouse where the stupid ball connects to the fucking rollers... so it tracks your movement ... like at ALL!?!?!?

thanks, sujoy. still pissed :[

<< Comment #1126 @ 13:27 CDT, 24 September 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1121

It also came in a shiny box of metal. Does that count for nothing anymore these days? ;)

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zealot - Reply to #1126

i still have the box, still shiny :p

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1121

On second thought: It's kind of ironic how Razer managed to cement their philosophy with their first product ever. First a metal box. Then glowing logos and illuminated mouse wheels. I wonder why they given up on the superior shape though.

Hehe.

<< Comment #1128 @ 16:09 CDT, 24 September 2014 >>

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fragmaster_ - Reply to #1104

loved my bs2k. great mouse.

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zealot - Reply to #1128

liar. or sens 9000.

<< Comment #1097 @ 02:49 CDT, 19 September 2014 >>

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end0rphine

bst,

What sort of mousepad surface did you end up choosing? Smooth or smooth with slight roughness? What sort of surface would you most compare to in terms of familiarity?

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ģbst - Reply to #1097

Its smooth with a slight roughness.

I don't know exactly what mat to compare it to, maybe a goliathus speed turned 90 degrees? So its still a smooth surface but its lost the slippery feeling on the horizontal movments.

All it is, is a very smooth mat but the weave is turned 90 degrees, so you move the mouse on the horizontal plane against the weave instead of with it, so its like ||||||| instead of = if that makes sense? So vertical movements are a bit easier because its going with the weave.

<< Comment #1103 @ 05:03 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #1101

That's good. And that's a good description. That's a preferable setup for me actually. Friction is always great :D

<< Comment #1102 @ 04:55 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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ģbst

Sorry I was away for a few days, but I've got the site finished now, its not up yet because I still need to check on a couple of things regarding the release date, also the photos on there really suck :( but other than that all I need to do is press the "go" button.

Also I made the prices in Euros only, and the price is a little higher at 37.99 (31.66 ex tax) for the mouse, but thats because the exchange rate is different now, and that price translates to Ŗ29.99 or $44.99.

The site won't charge sales tax if you order from outside the EC, so if you're lucky you can get the mouse cheaper if it just goes through customs.

The prices for delivery are a flat rate (any quantity):
UK: 5
EC: 10
Rest of world: 15

I'll post on facebook/twitter/newsletter (see first post for links) when the site is up. Can't announce it here, sorry :(

<< Comment #1107 @ 10:28 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (140.0.69.122) - Reply to #1102

Are you serious about the "everywhere else" shipping costs? They're absurd for potential SEA/AU buyers.

This mouse is made in china, if you intend to sell the mouse in the SEA/AU region then it should he delivered from china (shorter distance, less shipping costs), don't waste resources (and the customer's money) by shipping the mouse where your company is and reship it back to SEA/AU, it takes up resources and is completely unnecessary. (Takes up time, jacks the price up.)

At that price, I won't mind paying for a nicely shaped mouse with a proper sensor. But if you charge that much for the shipping, then you can be assured that there would be little to no success in the Asian/AU market.

<< Comment #1109 @ 10:36 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1107

If $20 is absurd for you for international shipping, then you:

1) Don't know what you are talking about. That's quite a good price actually, especially for AU, and you've been paying more than that amount every time you have purchased something imported in your home country, as that includes sales tax and import duty over the product+shipping.
2) Don't realize this is a niche product, not for mass consumers. Niche consumers just don't care about $10 dollars more in shipping. Further, we appreciate and pay for tracking, which is more expensive.
3) Are a poor kid lolololololol.

Edited by megaman3 at 10:56 CDT, 23 September 2014

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Anonymous (140.0.69.122) - Reply to #1109

Being a niche product is not an excuse for poor distribution.

Shipping the product TWICE (china -> bst -> SEA/AU customer) takes a longer time, more cost for bst (thus making the price of the mouse higher), and overall just poor business practice (optimization and speed is key).

Same thing about EU customers, it's not supposed to be (china -> bst -> EU customer) it's supposed to be (china -> EU customer).

If you have a proper distribution channel, it will improve the rate of which your product is sold and allow you to sell it cheaper because of less shipping stages.

Being a niche product is NOT an excuse for poor logistics/distribution methods.

<< Comment #1115 @ 13:19 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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pussuw - Reply to #1112

You do realize that factories do not ship directly to little shits like you? They optimize their output as well, and shipping 10000 units to one place is much more efficient for them than shipping 1 item at a time to snotnosed brats like you...

Like megaman said, you have absolutely no idea how things work in this world.

<< Comment #1116 @ 19:18 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #1115

This.

China has strict regulations regarding exports. They don't ship directly unless you deal specifically with the manufacturer or first party who resides in China and can relay bank deposits directly into Chinese bank accounts.

Part of this is due to the sheer volume of exports they have, hence they have to prioritize efficiency rather than shipping directly to little shits.

And AU price is bog standard. Interstate shipping runs from $9 to $13 and still takes ages.

Edited by end0rphine at 19:21 CDT, 23 September 2014

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megaman3 - Reply to #1112

You know that's the case for pretty much everything, right? The factories never, ever ship nor sell to individuals the products they assemble themselves, for many many reasons. Plus it seems you don't grasp the very basics of economies of scale and of international mass production; like to the very least understand what a manufacturer is.

And you didn't deal with anything of the post you replied to, lol. You just twisted the phrase for your convenience, though yet again you are wrong on that too.

Edited by megaman3 at 20:15 CDT, 23 September 2014

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jizzle - Reply to #1102

Lets get a big U.S. group buy to take advantage of the unlimited quantity flat rate shipping, whose in?

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loki993 - Reply to #1111

Id for sure be down for a group buy just say when......

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megaman3 - Reply to #1111

Of course things don't work like that. There's limits for combining shipping with a flat rate, such as weight and size.

Another thing is what you are suggesting would mean that the shipment will reach one part of the US, obviously, and then it will have to be shipped for a second time, inside the country to each buyer's home. That will make shipping as expensive anyway.

So, small, individual international purchases 101: buy two mice, maybe a mousepad too.

Edited by megaman3 at 20:17 CDT, 23 September 2014

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jizzle - Reply to #1119

I'm not sure I understand why you think it would be just as expensive as if we all ordered them individually. Even if 2 people simply combine shipments for 1 mouse a piece it ends up being cheaper.

I did the math with the following:
15 euro = 19.27 usd shipping to U.S.
approx 10 usd to ship within U.S. which based on USPS shipping costs should be pretty close if not conservative.

Bought individually, total shipping: $38.54
Bought together then 1 shipped within US, total shipping: $29.27

Even for just an order of 2 or 4 mice this is a pretty good savings. Obviously there is a limit to the flat rate shipping however the savings just continue to compound and you are already passed the break even point with just 2 mice so I would say its not a terrible idea.

<< Comment #1122 @ 10:27 CDT, 24 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1120

First things first, I assumed you were talking about a bigger order, for example trying to abuse what the wrote by shipping 10 mice in one order, or more.

With that said, all what I wrote falls down lol, because it'd have considered increasing the first, international shipping cost due that the package sent was going to be bigger (10 instead of 1 or 2).

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jizzle - Reply to #1122

Maybe bst can give us a better idea of how many can fit into a single flat rate order.

Depending on the packaging (I assume almost none, basically OEM) it would not be out of the question that a single flat rate order could hold 5-10 mice and possibly some mouse mats as well. The mouse weight is probably a non issue with 10 mice being around 3 pounds plus the weight of the mats.

Edited by jizzle at 12:02 CDT, 24 September 2014

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1102

Shut up and take my money!

<< Comment #1106 @ 10:23 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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loki993

Oh..I guess I didn't realize you weren't in the states......20 dollars to ship one mouse changes things a bit for me.....but I suppose even at that point it about the sale price as other mice out there.

<< Comment #1108 @ 10:32 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1106

You 'muricans are really spoiled, lol. I jump with excitement when I find $20 shipping to here.

Also might ask him about combining shipping, for example two mice and a mousepad.

<< Comment #1124 @ 13:11 CDT, 24 September 2014 >>

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pet_cia_mole - Reply to #1108

Spoiled? There's a thing called a smart consumer who is smart with money.

What does being American have to do with anything? Racist.

Edited by pet_cia_mole at 13:13 CDT, 24 September 2014

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megaman3 - Reply to #1124

More like you not realizing the US is just one country, while everyone else on the planet has to deal with this directly or indirectly..

<< Comment #1110 @ 11:28 CDT, 23 September 2014 >>

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loki993

We are I wont argue that point. I also dont think it will deter me as it still should be one of the best mouses out there and I want to support what hes doing. I just wish there could be a cheaper option for us that may just want one mouse.

Also he already said its combined....its flat rate shipping any quantity....

Edited by loki993 at 11:29 CDT, 23 September 2014

<< Comment #1129 @ 18:26 CDT, 24 September 2014 >>

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turnschuh

Guys, think about what price steelseries for example would come up with for such a mouse. Though, it would be highly unlikely that they or other companies would actually build a mouse like bst's in the first place, because they or their consumers have no clue about how a proper mouse should look like...

Either its the lack of side buttons on low weight ambi mice (g100s, maybe kinzu v3) combined with a bad sensor (kinzu v1, v2)

Or a mouse has a good shape with a bad sensor (sensei, etc)

Or it has the best sensor but is a heavy gimmicky brick with a bad shape (g502)

Just 3 examples, it could go much further as you know.

20$ or 15 shipping price might hurt a little but i think the mouse itself will be worth it for everyone who followed this mouse development project up until now and even for fairly new "followers" like me.

<< Comment #1130 @ 01:54 CDT, 25 September 2014 >>

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Praxis - Reply to #1129

No side buttons isn't a design fault, it's a consumer choice, it helps to reduce weight.

<< Comment #1133 @ 14:43 CDT, 26 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (204.228.23.40)

So any chance we could make a Kinzurora with this? I like where this mouse is going, but not sure about the shape. Kinzu's is perfect for me.

<< Comment #1134 @ 13:54 CDT, 27 September 2014 >>

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Anonymous (144.172.156.84)

Hi bst, I know this is a long shot but I'd like to make my own custom mouse as a personal project but I have no idea where to start. Are the pcb's pretty much only a sensor, switches and a microcontroller? I'd like to order the components and start from scratch, I don't care if it takes me 5 years.

I have an electrical engineer friend that could help me if I go to him with specific questions, but he mostly work as a programmer and he has no design experience and he wouldn't know where to start either.

Thanks for your time!

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ģbst - Reply to #1134

You should be able to get a basic PCB design from the sensor manufacturer, like in the A3090 datasheet it has an example PCB layout. Then make a design in a PCB design program and send to a PCB manufacturer. You would probably want to use an ARM MCU because they are a lot easier to program since you can access them over USB and just load the firmware onto them. You should make the PCB to fit another mouse at first and when you've got it all figured out you can make a new design for a shell.

I don't think making the PCB will be extremely difficult, you could learn a lot from looking at other PCBs that have the same components, but programming the MCU and designing a shell could be, depending on how complicated your design is.

<< Comment #1155 @ 09:41 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (192.252.128.123) - Reply to #1141

Thanks for the answer! Is there a way to purchase a single sensor from a vendor?

Also, how do you figure out what format is required for the data sent from the mouse? I assume the data type/format is standard for every USB mouse and isn't OS dependant.

<< Comment #1156 @ 10:10 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1155

You can probably get them from China pretty easily, I don't know where, but I'm sure if you look around for the part number in google, you'll find someone selling them.

AFAIK you shouldn't need to worry about the USB signals as long as you get an MCU which is designed for that kind of thing. You can just tell the MCU its going to be used as a mouse and it'll handle that side of things, its all standardized - AFAIK ;)

I just looked on google and found this:
Download the HTML help file for LPC11U14 and open index.htm, then ctrl+f mouse:
http://www.lpcware.com/content/nxpfile/lpc
open-software-development-platform-lpc11xx-packages-0
Thats an ARM MCU.

Theres one for an 8 bit MCU here:
http://www.atmel.com/Images/doc7604.pdf

Heres a company that makes pcbs: http://www.pcbcart.com/

<< Comment #1135 @ 07:15 CDT, 1 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (85.70.95.104)

Ocotber in. bst be a good lad and make this happen in this month, pls pls pls

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ģbst - Reply to #1135

They are sending me some down to check soon, as long as they're ok I'll get them shipped, so shouldn't be much longer. Its a bit annoying because its a chinese holiday this week so not much is happening :( But they are 95% done.

<< Comment #1136 @ 23:01 CDT, 1 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (37.110.13.222)

Does Avago 3090 sensor used in this mouse has accurate dpi? Cause for example in g100s there is some dpi inacuracies like true dpi being ~950 instead of 1000 etc Or like some claim their WMOs being not 400dpi but ~430 or smth..

<< Comment #1138 @ 05:15 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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NitroBullet - Reply to #1136

It will never be 100% accurate, because it will be a different dpi on different surfaces, and because of hardware tolerance. Hoping for 100% accurate dpi isn't in our tech yet. There is a software solution though, and that would be QL mousefilter.

<< Comment #1139 @ 07:53 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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shaiaz - Reply to #1138

how does that fix it ?O.o

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end0rphine - Reply to #1136

That's going to happen to any sensor. Distance from the sensor to the surface, colour of the surface, and reflective coefficient of the surface will have an effect on the 'true DPI'.

Edited by end0rphine at 01:54 CDT, 2 October 2014

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Anonymous (37.110.13.222) - Reply to #1137

I understand,but apart from those things ammount of dpi error might be different from sensor to sensor: i had logitech g1 and it was almost perfect 400dpi(maybe 398 or smth which is also pretty accurate)with its S2020 sensor then got logitech g3/g5 with laser one and dpi inaccuracy was huge about 890dpi instead of 800. So i believe when we talk about sensors characteristics its possible to say smth like general or average % of dpi error defined sensor has. The less % the better obviously so one more thing to count when choosing sensor along with stuff like prediction,LOD,jittering etc

<< Comment #1140 @ 09:06 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1136

Yeah its been accurate on the mats I've tested, if I stick something onto the rear of the mouse and move it along a ruler for the enotus/microe test, its very accurate (within +-10 DPI easily).

<< Comment #1144 @ 09:41 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (81.151.158.119) - Reply to #1140

I think you said earlier you were aiming for September/October and the website just needed launching. Are you still confident you can make this deadline? Thanks :)

<< Comment #1146 @ 11:16 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1144

It should be late October. I have to check a random selection of the mice first, if there are any problems then it will be later, because they'll have to be fixed. I really doubt there are going to be any though.

<< Comment #1143 @ 09:33 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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ģbst

I might have to cancel the mouse mats, they are taking too long and I don't want to delay the mouse :/ They haven't even started making the mats yet.

What I might do is after the Aurora is released and if it has good feedback, is start a kickstarter for a new shell. I can do the mouse mats at the same time as that then.

<< Comment #1147 @ 12:58 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1143

Hm....too bad. I was looking forward to the Aurora + Pad combo.

Hope it works well on the Qpad 90 uc then.

<< Comment #1148 @ 22:01 CDT, 2 October 2014 >>

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Nofri - Reply to #1143

Was looking forward for this mouse and put much hope on it almost from the earliest stages when it was just a project on paper. But during its actual development few things really turned me off and some of the players i keep in touch with too. The thing is: for those who prefer small lightweight mouse classic Logitech MX300/G1 shape(115x60x33mm) is like a holy grail, while Aurora has very similar dimensions (118x61x38mm) i dont understand the point of making it higher. You might wonder that those 5mm arent crucial but its some kind of unique "flat" feel which is gonna be lost for no reason. Thats why i dont like Logitech G100s(117x63x39) for example-its also very close size but the flatness many people expect from symmetric mice gone.
Another thing to dislike is its side buttons,while it was done in favour of majority its also a step away from simplistic pure shell towards additional non essential things and probably unnecessary weight increase(not that much i believe but still)
So probably i would stay dissapointed before seing this message by you,bst ,which gave me some hope:) The question is: whether is it possible to expect from another kickstarter with different shell no side buttons(guess it was mentioned somewhere in this thread allready) and what is more important with less height? OR is it possible to make like a limited edition in Logitech G1 shell? If such mouse existed i would buy atleast 5 of em for every single pc i have at home,in the office and in the country house even for double price:) Also i know up to 10 players who would be also happy to buy this mouse too without a doubt.

Edited by Nofri at 22:05 CDT, 2 October 2014

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end0rphine - Reply to #1148

The height is different because the shape is different. The rear of the shell flares outward with a smaller gradient compared with the sharp curve on the mx300/g1.

Edited by end0rphine at 04:19 CDT, 3 October 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #1148

I could do a kickstarter for the Velocity shell with an Aurora PCB, since the PCB fits in there already and only needs a different scroll wheel height. From what you say the shell would suit you really well.

I don't have anything against doing it, but I'm not so confident it'll reach its target, its needs about $17,000 so if the mouse was $40 it would need 425 people to buy one. Maybe it won't be as much as $40 and maybe I'll need slightly less than $17k but its in that ballpark.

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Nofri - Reply to #1152

Sounds great if ever gonna be done. Im pretty sure lots of people would like 3 button version. Also it can be produced without onboard memory which would make it even more vanilla mice and could cut some of the costs.
I couldnt find dimensions in the older thread for Velocity so could you pls share size and weight for this shell?

<< Comment #1162 @ 12:59 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1161

Its about 60g, and size is 113x32x58 (I had to measure it myself though because I can't find the size atm)

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Nofri - Reply to #1162

Wow pretty much perfect. If it was ready would buy 5 of em immediately :)

<< Comment #1309 @ 16:48 CDT, 20 October 2014 >>

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PurePlay - Reply to #1162

+3 for Velocity

<< Comment #1165 @ 16:03 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (37.110.13.222) - Reply to #1152

+1 for Velocity!

<< Comment #1297 @ 04:16 CDT, 20 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (193.169.44.121) - Reply to #1152

+2 for Velocity

<< Comment #1167 @ 05:53 CDT, 4 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (209.171.144.103) - Reply to #1148

My 800 DPI G1 (from takasta) and G100s are the exact same height: 38mm.

Besides the slight difference in shells, the only thing I notice are:
-Slightly smaller buttons on the G1
-Slightly more forward sensor on the G1
-Thicker plastic shell on the G1, it's 80g without any metal weight.

<< Comment #1151 @ 07:52 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (217.93.138.59) - Reply to #1143

If you have to cancel it for now, what mousepad would you recommend using with the mouse? I wanted to buy a bundle but I'll need a mousepad for the meantime then.

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ģbst - Reply to #1151

It works well on a talent or QcK, pretty much anything that the G400/Savu or other A3090 mice work well on it'll be the same.

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Anonymous (217.93.140.63) - Reply to #1153

I assume the Artisan Hien would be fine on it either then?

<< Comment #1171 @ 16:21 CDT, 4 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1169

Yeah its fine.

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Sopsy - Reply to #1143

Any new ETA for the mats? I was planning on getting one just to support you even though they most likely wont be nearly as good as my current one.

<< Comment #1154 @ 08:46 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1150

I think they work best as a bundle, so probably when I do a kickstarter, which will be quite a way off by the time its all finished.

<< Comment #1157 @ 10:24 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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tacern - Reply to #1143

Hi bst, congrats on getting to this point at last. I have a couple of questions if I may.

1. I realise this isn't a huge priority for you but is there a possibility to purchase the pcb/sensor/switches/etc only for WMO modding?
2. Have you tried the Aurora pcb etc in an IE3 at all?
3. Have you considered buying a 3D printer to create your own shells?

<< Comment #1159 @ 12:21 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1157

Thanks :)

1. Sorry but no, the reasons why are because it doesn't work out hardly any cheaper, and the FCC/CE certification includes the shell of the mouse, so it'd cost a fair amount to do it separately.

2. Yeah, I have, it doesn't fit anything like it does in a WMO, it'd be a lot more difficult.

3. Not atm because the plastic is weaker and can deform in not much time, if you make it stronger it becomes heavier, also it doesn't have as nice of a finish as injection molding. But for prototyping its useful, I'll just send it to a 3D printers though in that case.

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tacern - Reply to #1159

I'm not sure when that WMO note in the OP was edited so is there a little video guide still in the works? Of course I realise you're very busy, just curious)

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ģbst - Reply to #1238

Yeah, I recorded myself making one, I just need to find time to edit it.

It might be easier though, just to make picture instructions, for me and people following it. The video doesn't really explain it any better.

But you know I think a better idea is for me to make a shell similar to the WMO and people can just buy it and put their aurora PCB into it, or buy it with a PCB in already. Wouldn't take that long...

<< Comment #1252 @ 12:58 CDT, 12 October 2014 >>

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tacern - Reply to #1239

Anything would be appreciated =)

A WMO-like shell definitely makes sense. If you go that route and need some inspiration for the side buttons take a look at the Roccat Kova, one thing the mouse does near perfectly (in my opinion at least) is the size/design/position of the side buttons.

http://i.imgur.com/MBVObPy.jpg

<< Comment #1158 @ 10:25 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (85.207.84.158)

I just want to thank you bst for being so hands on with your potential buyers. I really appreciate it that you answer our questions and keep us in the loop with all the progress and steps that you are taking.

I really look forward to this mouse. I hope its as good as expected, will buy two or three to have them everywhere I have a pc, from work to home to one backup for notebook :)

<< Comment #1160 @ 12:23 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1158

Thanks, I hope you like it :)

<< Comment #1164 @ 14:21 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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abso

was the mouse tested on a zowie G-TF Speed mousepad? Was looking to buy bundle too tbh

<< Comment #1170 @ 09:47 CDT, 4 October 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1164

The 3090 sensors works well on this one from my experience. All black pads work well in general with this sensor.

<< Comment #1166 @ 20:13 CDT, 3 October 2014 >>

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megaman3

So, when do orders begin? I want two mice.

<< Comment #1172 @ 06:52 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (223.204.148.15)

What is this, i gave up quake because of you bst. I have now a wife, a child and two dogs... you and your empty promises, don't order from him, he is just trying to make some cheap money before disappearing again.

<< Comment #1173 @ 07:39 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #1172

"cheap money again"

Where did he get money (profit) from in the first place?

<< Comment #1174 @ 18:45 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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pvh

http://www.ninox.org/

instead of saying 'coming soon' with the ninox logo, we have an error page

something is happening

edit: holy shit site is up

Edited by pvh at 19:28 CDT, 5 October 2014

<< Comment #1187 @ 02:20 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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eLim - Reply to #1174

aww yiss, pre-ordered

<< Comment #1199 @ 13:52 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1174

Wow you noticed it so fast :D

<< Comment #1207 @ 17:27 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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pvh - Reply to #1199

I had it bookmarked and checked every few days. For the last year. I am a sad individual

<< Comment #1175 @ 19:55 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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jamalz

BST:

Start hyping and sending out the mouse to every reviewer of every game genre there is. Every nigga on youtube that has millions of casual fucks watching their goofy as fuck videos.

Whatever it takes. You've got to reach LoL scrubs, starcraft niggas, cs fags etc

Even send to sexy young female gamers because they will like the lights n shit and they have tons of fans because nerds love bouncing titties like everyone else.

It's time to HYPE.

Also get the mousepads up quick. It looks really weird to just be selling 1 product. It's feels like a rush job. Have a coming soon! page with mousepad pics and a velocity outline, just to ensure that you look legit

Edited by jamalz at 19:59 CDT, 5 October 2014

<< Comment #1176 @ 20:03 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #1175

Shroud from Cloud9 on CSGO might like it since he uses the logitech g100s.

<< Comment #1178 @ 21:18 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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pierow - Reply to #1176

He has to use the logitech since they're a sponsor.

<< Comment #1179 @ 22:01 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #1178

He might be able to use it briefly for the streams. Some pro e-sporters on LoL or Dota who are Razer sponsored use some other equipment from Zowie.

Edited by end0rphine at 22:04 CDT, 5 October 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #1175

Yep I'm going to do that :)

I know, the product area does look really barren... I'll do something like what you suggested :) Thanks

<< Comment #1249 @ 07:49 CDT, 10 October 2014 >>

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neologan - Reply to #1198

so gutted i can't order one as a leftie - i can't live without side buttons.

i hope in the future you can add those to this mouse for a small batch run of dual sided button config once it sells well.

<< Comment #1184 @ 00:57 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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turnschuh

Nice! Ordered one. Thanks. :)

<< Comment #1177 @ 21:01 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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horf

gief meece

<< Comment #1180 @ 22:02 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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pierow

Just preordered it. Any update on ETA?

<< Comment #1185 @ 01:15 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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end0rphine - Reply to #1180

The product page says early november.

<< Comment #1186 @ 01:52 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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pierow - Reply to #1185

Oh, I see, thanks. It's listed on a separate product page that the store links to.

<< Comment #1181 @ 23:07 CDT, 5 October 2014 >>

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BalkanFM

how stable is the mouse on 1000hz? does it maintain a steady hz number like that alcor one, or all over the place like the diamondback?

<< Comment #1197 @ 13:47 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1181

Heres a swipe on mouse movement recorder at 1000hz:
http://i.imgur.com/soLQ8Xc.jpg

<< Comment #1183 @ 00:57 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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rijst

The config software download (Ninox Aurora config software V1.2) on the Ninox site is not frequently downloaded, and is marked as suspicous by google chrome. Nothing came up with Malwarebytes tough + I trust bst ;-)

I preordered a Ninox as well. I used to game with an M-S69 for 7 years before moving to optical in 2006. My hand got molded around it... I hope the Ninox mouse comes very close to that shape. (m-s69 is same shape as m-u69 and is the great grandfather of the g100s)

fyi, my previous mice (in order of purchase): all palm grip .. although Deathadder shaped mice don't fit as nicely, since I used M-S69 for so long.
- M-S69 ... my best bang for the buck ever
(http://www.tcocd.de/Pictures/Peripheral/Logitech/ms69.shtml)
- Razer Copperhead ...soo many hardware failures
- Razer Deathadder (type1) ... good sensor but too bulky at the time for me
- Razer Diamondback 3g ... bad design finishes
- Steelseries Ikari laser ... extremely bad sensor
- Razer Imperator sucky sensor z shift
- Zowie ec1... scroll bugged, did not like the shape
- Steelseries xai ... has some accel which noticably bugged me compared to g400/ deathadder 2013 sensor
- Razer deathadder 2013 is my current mouse: really good sensor but shape still isn't my cup of tea
- Logitech g400 ... would hang up on me from time to time (no reaction.. probably the cord although visual inspection looks ok)

Edited by rijst at 21:19 CDT, 15 October 2014

<< Comment #1182 @ 00:01 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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cumrag

Why PayPal?

<< Comment #1188 @ 05:55 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (85.70.95.104)

bst like I promised I ordered 3 :). Hoping the mouse will be great.

<< Comment #1189 @ 06:58 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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sleek

ordered. will order another one when pads come out. :]

<< Comment #1190 @ 08:41 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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Sopsy

I ordered one earlier today too. When it arrives I'll let my little brother try it out and if he likes it I'll get one for him too.

<< Comment #1191 @ 10:30 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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fragmaster_

ordered. gonna give it a shot since I was looking for a new mouse anyway but haven't been able to make a decision yet.

<< Comment #1192 @ 11:52 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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megaman3

Slowest site on the internet.

<< Comment #1193 @ 11:55 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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megaman3

Ok I'm on checkout and Chile is not in the "Estimate Shipping and Tax" bar.

Will it be an issue for shipment? I mean, do you ship there anyway, right?
Also, how much is shipping for there specifically?

<< Comment #1196 @ 13:11 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1193

Sorry, it was missing from the allowed countries, but I've put it on there now. It should be 15.

<< Comment #1200 @ 14:39 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1196

<3

<< Comment #1194 @ 12:45 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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lemming#13

Preordered!

<< Comment #1195 @ 13:01 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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rijst

megaman3,
on the ninox site, bst mentions that he will be using Royal Mail. My purchase notification mentions "International - Royal Mail International Signed" as well. I think the package weighs below 250grams since shipping prices are not that high.

Royal Mail does ship to Chile.

Pricing on page 14 per location Europe, Worldzone 1(Chile), Worldzone 2:
http://www.royalmail.com/sites/default/files/...r2014a.pdf

I would mail bst to get an exact price though or ask bst to adjust the ninox site per Worldzone.

<< Comment #1201 @ 14:40 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1195

<3

<< Comment #1202 @ 14:53 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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megaman3

Ordered!

<< Comment #1203 @ 15:30 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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Ruzhyo

It has been a long time waiting for this mouse and I can not wait to get mine!!

<< Comment #1204 @ 15:31 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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jizzle

bst, How likely is early November? Are you still waiting to receive the test samples to make sure everything is fine? Also I assume early November would be shipping timeframe so then another couple weeks after that to allow for shipping to receive it.

Definitely want to grab one (or two) just trying to figure out timing.

grats on getting this out btw!

Edited by jizzle at 15:32 CDT, 6 October 2014

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ģbst - Reply to #1204

I should be getting the test samples this week, then after they're confirmed, my warehouse will arrange the air freight and can send the mice out as soon as they arrive, which should take about 2 weeks max, so early Nov should be doable.

Edited by ģbst at 16:09 CDT, 6 October 2014

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Sopsy - Reply to #1205

A few weeks after years shouldn't be that hard but the waiting is much harder now that I actually got to order this. Thank you for your hard work :)

Edit: You should propably post to the facebook page that the preorder is now avaiable.

Edited by Ukkooh at 17:36 CDT, 6 October 2014

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StillBlaze - Reply to #1205

can you make a video once the samples are confirmed?!

<< Comment #1214 @ 08:45 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1212

What kind of things do you want to see on the video? I will send some to video reviewers, if thats what you mean?

<< Comment #1216 @ 09:33 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #1214

zsx aiming like there's no tomorrow.

<< Comment #1257 @ 04:52 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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StillBlaze - Reply to #1214

Pretty much just a general overview like you have already listed on your website in text and some footage of it in action, the pictures on the website look more like design artwork then an actual mouse thats been made, oh and i would very much like to see the bottom :)

<< Comment #1206 @ 16:30 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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megaman3

<< Comment #1209 @ 17:59 CDT, 6 October 2014 >>

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grume

any chance of better distribution in the future? amazon?

everyone here will buy it no matter what, but it might be hard to convince your average gamer who is less informed to sign up for another site and spend $20 on shipping.

speaking of which the site is a little hard to navigate and i don't think it sells why the mouse is better than everything else in the market.

<< Comment #1213 @ 08:43 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1209

When I have stock I will put them on Amazon and other retailers.

What do you find about the site that is hard to navigate? I thought it was pretty simple Oo

<< Comment #1228 @ 17:17 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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grume - Reply to #1213

it's not hard to navigate, it could just use polishing. there's a lot of clicking on your site and most of the gaming mice sites i looked at use a scrolling infographic design like http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-abyssus

i don't mean to nitpick, i know its probably lower priority and that the site in its in its first stages. i just wanted you to succeed as much as possible.

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ģbst - Reply to #1228

I can make it like that just by removing some code, the buttons on the side only hide or show <div>s, so the entire page is already loaded anyway. Might make it so the side menu follows scrolling down as well though... I did try it before and wasn't keen on how it looked, but the design has changed a bit now so it might look nice this time :)

<< Comment #1243 @ 17:51 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1240

I find the site a bit too dark. For some reason it makes it look shady, lol.

<< Comment #1261 @ 10:47 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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odellus - Reply to #1243

you are dumb

<< Comment #1230 @ 03:12 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #1213

you should do a spell check

competetive

<< Comment #1241 @ 17:04 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1230

Thanks, its fixed now :)

<< Comment #1210 @ 03:01 CDT, 7 October 2014 >>

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Tobbe

Retail.. retail.. retail! (bit early maybe ^^).

Edited by Tobbe at 03:01 CDT, 7 October 2014

<< Comment #1211 @ 04:02 CDT, 7 October 2014 >>

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CENEk

Pre-ordered one and I'm looking forward to receiving it!

<< Comment #1215 @ 08:51 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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joeljensen

Ninox Velocity?

<< Comment #1217 @ 09:41 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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maza

I think it's time to start part 3 bst, please!

<< Comment #1219 @ 10:14 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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turnschuh - Reply to #1217

This! Yes, make a part 3 thread bst. =)

<< Comment #1220 @ 10:27 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1217

Yeah. The actual release should be announced in a separate thread from the (ever lasting) development, so right now it's the perfect time to make that part 3.

Preferably as a "news" post, so it can be majored (front paged).

<< Comment #1222 @ 11:27 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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Sopsy - Reply to #1217

Yeah it is starting to get a little bit annoying to browse with my phone.
So much swiping.

<< Comment #1232 @ 09:17 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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gienon - Reply to #1222

Find in page -> #1224 and you're there.

<< Comment #1229 @ 02:51 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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Beet - Reply to #1217

bst said he cant announce the release, advertising is against the rules.
Someone else will have to do it.

<< Comment #1233 @ 10:24 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1229

Right now the word "zowie" is exactly 15 times in the front page, lol. Also cooller's mouse and his mousepad were advertised here in separate times (both from zowie), plus some paid games' (for profit) projects have been frontpaged many times, including Reflex just yesterday, and so on.

Ok lets say this is a community-made site, not for advertising stuff and that the previous advertising was a mistake (despite all being examples from 2014). Well, these two threads combined are by far the longest thread in this site (many times over) and the mouse was kind of community made. This mouse is way more important for the community than anything else, maybe except for quakecon.

So, if they refuse to give this some spotlight time then the admins are biased as fuck, advertising and allowing advertising only of zowie stuff while denying the competition. Talk about double standards.

Might as well try to reach their boss directly instead, sujoy. At least he should be interested in that someone took his 2007 mouseguide and decided to finally do things well.

Edited by megaman3 at 10:51 CDT, 9 October 2014

<< Comment #1218 @ 09:46 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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m1hka

Pre-ordered 2 mouses and 10 packs of glides.
Can't wait for try one and make WMO mod with other one. <3

<< Comment #1225 @ 15:48 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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lemming#13 - Reply to #1218

The mouse still comes with a pair of extra feet right?

<< Comment #1226 @ 15:57 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1225

Yes

<< Comment #1221 @ 11:02 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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plopinou

Pre-ordered 3 ! My MX 300 is beginning to get old :x

<< Comment #1223 @ 12:51 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (216.8.136.34)

Ordered. Can't wait to try it.
I'm really enjoying my G502, but it's really heavy.

<< Comment #1227 @ 16:12 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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rijst - Reply to #1223

@Anonymous, maybe you could get a mouse mat+skate combination with less friction to compensate for the weight? I have a zowie swift and a deathadder with qpad glides(strips) on my laptop. That combination glides like crazy compared to my DA + goliathus speed on which I normally game.

<< Comment #1224 @ 13:22 CDT, 8 October 2014 >>

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horf

Hey, bst for you next mouse could you put a horizontally centered sensor further forward, like under fingers forward?

<< Comment #1235 @ 14:11 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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NitroBullet - Reply to #1224

[repost because of error]

Don't listen to that guy. Any mouse you make needs to have extensive R&D done on sensor position relative to the shape. Sensor position is one of the most complex (and underlooked) aspects of a mouse and needs a lot of trials and knowledge of average arcs in relation with displacement. Definitely not simple "Hey can you plz just move it up?" No. That's blasphemy.

Examples aren't limited to and may include: the type of butt the mouse has, be it high with steep slope, low with curved slope, medium with shallow slope, or steep with a ghost/pseudo slope.

Exact "center" for sensor position isn't optimal at all. Mice have varying lengths. A good place to start however, based on correlation, is from the butt. For a shape like WMO, a sensor position 63-64mm from the butt gives near optimal arc balance relative to horizontal X axis movement.

An example of something not balanced, would be a G500, where the sensor is so high, moving the mouse in arcs causes displacement to be over the balance point relative to horizontal X movement, causing imprecision when moving in arcs, and disorienting the user.

<< Comment #1242 @ 17:10 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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horf - Reply to #1235

I found the g500 to be one of the most stable and responsive mice I've ever used, and the same goes for the alcor which has a sensor slightly forward that makes it a tad more responsive.

I just like the feel.

<< Comment #1250 @ 08:23 CDT, 10 October 2014 >>

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zealot - Reply to #1235

Don't listen to the guy?

I'd prefer a sensor 'high' up the base aswell, isn't the arc displacement different for claw/fingertip vs. palm grips? eg. clawing players usually prefer the sensor centered high up?

<< Comment #1231 @ 08:51 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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Frasma

Hi BST, I noticed someone posted your mouse on a group buy website.

Have you considered using one of these group buy services? They'll be able to handle international distribution and your customers can purchase your products at reduced prices.

<< Comment #1237 @ 16:00 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1231

Sounds cool, where did you see it?

<< Comment #1245 @ 18:49 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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r_uben - Reply to #1237

https://www.massdrop.com/vote/lightweight-mic...ive-gaming

<< Comment #1248 @ 20:37 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #1245

voted for ninox, ALL YOU FUCKERS VOTE TOO

<< Comment #1247 @ 20:12 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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Frasma - Reply to #1237

My friend was the one who showed me it, she sent me a link to vote for it on MassDrop.

Short link: http://www.dro.ps/v/qXzzpoF

It's currently on the voting phase. It needs something like 200 votes before they'll contact you. Or they may contact you sooner if the mice gets their attention.

I really hope this is viable option for you as I'm sure everyone will appreciate getting this mouse at a reduced price.

<< Comment #1234 @ 13:58 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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Vexin

Please note these are outdated photos, but the shape remains the same. The main difference is that on the final version, the logo glows, and the sides are no longer transparent

So are the sides matte or transparent? You've got them transparent on the pre-order website photos. I'm turning lighting off either way, just curious.

<< Comment #1236 @ 15:59 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1234

Whoops sorry, they went back to transparent, because there were some problems with light leaking without it. So yeah the sides are transparent on the final version (with 50% black tint).

<< Comment #1244 @ 18:08 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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Sopsy

Still no update on your facebook page on the preorder?

<< Comment #1246 @ 18:49 CDT, 9 October 2014 >>

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Justin1017

Is the price going to increase or stay the same after pre-orders end?

I saw a coupon code during checkout. Care to let us in on that or is it there just because?

<< Comment #1251 @ 09:08 CDT, 12 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (193.174.105.66)

How's the LOD on these mices? Not sure whether it'll track better on my red or black mousepad that I am replacing.

<< Comment #1254 @ 12:58 CDT, 12 October 2014 >>

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Vexin - Reply to #1251

- Lift off distance: ~2mm

You could at least read the main post before asking something.

<< Comment #1253 @ 12:58 CDT, 12 October 2014 >>

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flamma_

Please Driver with QL accel built-in!

<< Comment #1255 @ 16:42 CDT, 12 October 2014 >>

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Ultrarisk

Are there any pictures comparing this mouse to the g9x and/or g100s? Or any recent pictures of the mouse it self?

<< Comment #1260 @ 10:27 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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fishbone_ - Reply to #1255

Here you go (pictures I've made 1 year ago) : Aurora vs g100s

<< Comment #1277 @ 11:47 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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Ultrarisk - Reply to #1260

Thanks a ton!

<< Comment #1256 @ 19:21 CDT, 12 October 2014 >>

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resis

Hey BST, If you deactivate the rear LED, does some light bleeding still illuminate the logo?

I think the logo is just to humongously huge. It's a flashlight up your face. I think the mouse would look much more professional if it just had the name, like this.

What do you think, should it be like this? Would it be possible? I think it's really classy and slick.

Also, can the plastic have more black, like 70%? Would still be transparent enough to not let the light leakage be seen, but would not be over-illuminated that much.

Is the DPI button not glowing anymore, like in the older pictures? Is better so.

The current pre-order is PayPal only? Isn't it possible to just use credit card, or are there too high fees? Amazon payment?

You say you want to allow buying on Amazon. How will it work worldwide? I don't think people would go to amazon.co.uk to order it.

Edited by resis at 19:23 CDT, 12 October 2014

<< Comment #1258 @ 04:55 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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StillBlaze - Reply to #1256

think its a little late to affect design :P he said once the test models are confirmed he to start shipping/orders?

<< Comment #1263 @ 11:44 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1256

You can't turn off only the logo, its all off or all on. You can adjust the brightness if its too bright, but the photos make it look a lot brighter than it is. Its already tinted white so it doesn't shine directly through, I can look straight at it no problem on its highest setting.

I can't change the logo now, the mice have already been made like it ;D

Yes at the moment its paypal only, but its being changed to paypal pro where you can use a credit card.

<< Comment #1266 @ 16:54 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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LMS_Forsak3n - Reply to #1263

check irc, pls :P

<< Comment #1291 @ 15:18 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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resis - Reply to #1263

Shame, but ok. Please announce when something happens on the payment options front.

<< Comment #1259 @ 06:31 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (5.79.68.161)

Ceramic mouse feets please.
Ceramic is far superior to teflon. In terms of everything (durability, speed, consistency...).

I don't know why people don't demand it. It's not expensive.

<< Comment #1262 @ 11:23 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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Derp - Reply to #1259

I doubt many have had the chance to give ceramic mouse feet a try. If you haven't tried it then most won't know to ask for it.

Only a few mice have released with ceramic feet as options and most of those mice come with a high variance laser sensor so I don't think those mice would interest anyone around here.

I haven't had the pleasure of trying out ceramic feet on a mouse either but I'm definitely interested.

<< Comment #1264 @ 11:45 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1259

I'll look into it :)

<< Comment #1273 @ 08:41 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (5.104.224.15) - Reply to #1264

Thanks, I'll buy a bunch if you decide sell them.

<< Comment #1267 @ 20:35 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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ewh - Reply to #1259

on a cloth pad it probably wouldn't matter much.
on a hard pad, ceramic may feel uncomfortably hard though. it will wear out the pad much more quickly than teflon would

the coefficient of friction between the feet and pad would generally be lower with clean teflon, but as long as the static coefficient is kept below ~0.2 or so for ceramic, it wouldn't be a big deal

<< Comment #1274 @ 08:41 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (95.128.43.164) - Reply to #1267

I would like to see some data as I find it hard to believe that a solid ceramic would have more friction than a mushy teflon and that it would wear out the pad noticeably faster than teflon.

You could also compare frying pans and also see ceramic one's superiority there (in friction too).

<< Comment #1285 @ 04:36 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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ewh - Reply to #1274

it's pretty common knowledge that in ideal conditions, teflon is one of the materials with the lowest coefficient of friction. check wikipedia. those measured coefficients of friction is rarely realized in practice though, because the mouse feet can become dirty and the mousepad is designed to provide a comfortable amount of friction with the teflon feet. that's why i mentioned that it wouldn't be a big deal.

wear on a hard pad isn't too complicated. the harder material suffers less wear and the softer material suffers more wear. when you use ceramic mouse feet on a hard pad, the ceramic will be much harder. well unless you have a pad of tempered glass or something.

perhaps the smaller contact area with ceramic feet could help though, but at the same time the contact pressure is higher. still that would mean less dust and crap is carried around when the mouse moves

Edited by ewh at 04:42 CDT, 16 October 2014

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Anonymous (193.138.216.101) - Reply to #1285

I checked wikipedia and I found out that
Ceramic alloy (BAM) has a coefficient of friction of 0.02. So much less than the cleanest teflon.

<< Comment #1290 @ 14:50 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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ewh - Reply to #1287

that's a highly specialized material and i can guarantee you that that material isn't what is used in existing ceramic mouse feet.

for example check this out:
http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:433714/FULLTEXT01

>All of the friction force measurements of
alumina slid against alumina, irre-
spective of test apparatus, surface treatment and humidity, showed a com-
mon initial value of the coefficient of friction. It was always approximately
0.2

since ceramics are very diverse, there is some range in the coefficients of friction, but if any commonly available ceramic material had teflon-like friction, it wouldn't be necessary to apply these special coatings as described in that dissertation

<< Comment #1292 @ 11:58 CDT, 18 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (197.231.221.211) - Reply to #1290

I'm pretty sure that alumina isn't the one that's used in any existing ceramic mouse feet. I think it's also safe to assume that the common teflon doesn't have as low coefficient of friction as the ideal one that is tested in laboratory. Also, as you somewhat mentioned, the teflon feets are affected by the dirt (increases the friction) way more than the ceramic ones.

And what makes you think that teflon-like friction would necessarily satisfy the needs in that dissertation?

That dissertion mentions the use of DLC coating which also has lower coefficient of friction than any teflon.

<< Comment #1293 @ 12:09 CDT, 18 October 2014 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #1274

Lack of friction is not good in itself. Remember the no friction mouse? It was also talked and disproved here on ESR.

And if you want really low friction, there's always the icemat.

<< Comment #1294 @ 13:44 CDT, 18 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (176.10.100.227) - Reply to #1293

That's just like, your opinion.

<< Comment #1295 @ 15:09 CDT, 18 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1293

Yeah but there were other reasons why that was a bad idea, like the extra weight, the lack of space to fit the ball bearings, the need for a new bottom shell to retro fit them, the need for a paper mouse mat, etc. Ceramic feet sound pretty good if they have the same kind of friction as PTFE, since they should last longer. The only downsides I see are that they'll be more expensive than PTFE and I don't think they work so well on a hard mat, seems like they'd be very noisy and may be prone to cracking if the mouse is put down too hard.

<< Comment #1270 @ 04:25 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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maza - Reply to #1259

Which would you rather replace every once in a while: mouse feet or mouse pad?

Edited by maza at 04:26 CDT, 14 October 2014

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Anonymous (195.154.251.21) - Reply to #1270

Neither, but as it is now, you need to replace both.
Teflon feets wear always and the pad wears sometimes unless it's high quality.

Ceramic mouse feets can eliminate all wearing, if you couple them with a high quality mouse pad or ceramic pad ;)

<< Comment #1272 @ 07:43 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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maza - Reply to #1271

Yea but people with cloth pad and hard mouse feet would suffer from increased mouse pad wear I'm afraid. I know if my teflon feet wouldn't shape quickly they would wear the mouse pad in no time :L But "ceramic" feet are quite a broad expression, would need to know the friction coefficient compared to teflon etc...

<< Comment #1275 @ 08:41 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (95.128.43.164) - Reply to #1272

Well in any case it would be great if bst could get some for sale so we can all compare them.

<< Comment #1265 @ 16:50 CDT, 13 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (189.111.30.147)

ordered, i hope it comes to brazil with no problem soon when avaiable. gl

<< Comment #1268 @ 02:57 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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ewh

will the aurora track well on an artisan hayate? my g100s doesnt track well on it... perfect control speed is ~1m/s.

could someone with an artisan hayate and some mouse with the same sensor as the aurora (adns 3090) let me know if there are any problems with the combination?

<< Comment #1269 @ 04:25 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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Praxis - Reply to #1268

g100s tracks well on Artisan shidenkai for me. I know they're expensive mats and you're not likely to rush out and buy a new one; it's just an fyi.

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ewh - Reply to #1269

my g100s tracks decently on a shiden, though it has some problems when i go over the malfunction speed (~2.5m/s)

i already bought a large hayate a while ago :P

<< Comment #1278 @ 12:03 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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chickenfluGR - Reply to #1268

it's complicated

my cm storm alcor was "unskippable"

but the ec2 evo would skip pretty easily on it ( or pretty much every other black pad for that matter )

any tips on getting the dust out the threads btw ?

<< Comment #1284 @ 04:22 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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ewh - Reply to #1278

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZzbKD...li=1#gid=0

this shows the zowie am (adns-3090) having good max speed on a hayate but doesn't say much else about the tracking

based on what you wrote, it seems to depend on firmware then. hopefully the aurora's firmware would be good with my pad

for dust, most people just wash it with water and maybe soap... i think maybe an electrostatic lint remover would work

<< Comment #1276 @ 11:47 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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LMS_Forsak3n

http://i.imgur.com/oyNPVM2.png ninox aurora beta + puretrak talent

<< Comment #1279 @ 14:00 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (87.97.18.55) - Reply to #1276

740 Hz polling rate?

<< Comment #1280 @ 15:36 CDT, 14 October 2014 >>

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LMS_Forsak3n - Reply to #1279

yea, no idea why but its surely a stable 1k in some different rate checker :o

<< Comment #1281 @ 17:35 CDT, 15 October 2014 >>

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Anonymous (115.64.130.145)

Is there a precise release date yet?

<< Comment #1282 @ 18:58 CDT, 15 October 2014 >>

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loki993

Preordered...looking forward to trying it out. Thanks for all the hard work.

<< Comment #1286 @ 10:11 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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xero- '

Is paypal the only payment method? B/

<< Comment #1288 @ 12:18 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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ģbst - Reply to #1286

Will be accepting credit cards in a few days time.

<< Comment #1289 @ 13:35 CDT, 16 October 2014 >>

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[mash]

GL with the mouse man!