Trash game tbh.

like 4-ever?

god you moron where is the link http://store.steampowered.com/app/550/

Such a kind soul you have.

and of course they keep acting like L4D1 doesn't exist, which is the vastly superior game. (IMO, but fuck your opinion if you disagree)

Not up for debate, l4d1 was an amazing game. Honestly the most fun I ever had with team modes.

But Valve had to break their promise of keeping the game supported and updated like TF2, and instead split the community with a sequel that did most everything worse. Sigh

maybe they simply wanted to get away from legal issues with original l4d maker afteer they split up. l4d2 is identically bad to me as the first one, i would doubt i would hvae ever bought it. first one got me excited and after i tried it i was really disappointed how badly and modlike the gun models looked. it looked like some arma clone with a weird sideways tilted weapon models with irregular feel, reminding more rpg games like bioshock. the gameplay is very dumb for a standalone game, you just shoot dumb zombie ai that run at oyu. way to stupid. you ran to a point than shoot zombies, i have no clue what ai director they were talking about, it feels the same on every single map, just running from point a to point b shooting tons of stupid zombies that run at you, completely unchallenging, like

sounds like you only played campaign

the fun is not in singleplayer. online coop and versus mode (4v4, asymetric gameplay with the monsters) is the star. map design is brilliant. tank is quad here :) nowadays every sci/horror game has a survival modus with waves of enemys. thats the impact of serious sam and l4d.

>instead split the community with a sequel that did most everything worse

they integrated l4d1 maps in the new game... they patched the shit out of the follower.

I would have to disagree with that statement, obviously. 8(

maybe we find together in l4d3 or evolve from turtle rock.

we already have a bond >:+) i built two avatars for the site, the white star on blue and the "4" avatar.

haha cool. yeah, I'm quite curious how l4d3 will turn out, but I don't have very high hopes.
evolve sounds interesting

i like l4d2 more. im a versus player. for me valve keept their promise to do a better game. 2 hunters at one time in l4d1 is out of balance.

>cant skeet
>calls 2 hunters imbalanced

)))

Imo that's a big part of what made l4d1 so good, the dynamics of the infected setups. Having to deal with up to 3 (actually up to 4) hunters makes the game intense and fun to play on both sides, instead of going for a charge+spit the whole time while watching the shitty jockey get deadstopped. No satisfaction of landing a quadcap or shutting one down. Imo l4d2 survivor play leaves way less room for "skill", or the possibilty of hitting some nice shots. It's also pretty evident if you compare the amount of good survivor fragvideos from the 2 games. No double skeets to be had.
Not to mention they completely broke the hunter physics and metagame. Hey let's make the hunter slower, remove feet first wallpounces and make 90% of the roofs inaccessible through invisible walls, that'll be fun, right? Instead we get melee weapons and great campaigns such as dead center. ahem

And honestly a decent survivor team >>> infected team any day, especially if we're talking about the ridiculous vanilla config with tons of health items and T2 spamguns (in both games). But yeah, to each their own I guess, maybe l4d2 can be more fun from a casual/pub point of view. I know some people like the 2nd one, I just don't really get it. I suspect most of them started out with it without having played the first game.
I played the first one "competitively" quite a lot. (fine, you're allowed to laugh at that one :D) Meaning on the rotoblin config (with deadstops removed later on). There used to be a fair amount of tournaments actually
/rant

I played comp l4d 1 as well, it was so awesome when they got 100 tick working with no deadstops.

Definitely. I mean I didn't really feel the difference of 100 tick so much personally, the hitreg was still always a bit iffy for me. But no deadstops is great

The hitreg in that game was... unique to say the least. Not to mention the netcode abuses for some special infected!

i used tick scripts and fast moving scripts in l4d2. it seems they dont work anymore, server is forcing.

>let's make the hunter slower, remove feet first wallpounces and make 90% of the roofs

ok you love part1 and thats your game. i played part2 more. l4d2 devs can make the game easier, versus mode still is very hard to play, with knowing all the map positions.

>maybe l4d2 can be more fun from a casual/pub point of view.

thats it. with one excepetion, if the game bugs dont show up :) youre right, i play pub. i tried channel matches, pro scene, but wasnt impressed. my fav is dead air, pros hate it i think.

right now we see beginners flodding the servers. they die 1 meter out of the safe room, its like the game was just released :D its a total chaos right now, very frustrating matches BUT the noobs do funny stuff, stuff ive never seen because experienced players have a standard behaviour. i predict it needs 6 month until the pub matches start getting better.

i destroyed a noob team with only one spiter :) im experiementing with spit and one inf blocks the surv on the spit. these things doesnt work with veterans.

i majored a pro news here i remember, so i support the comp scene whereever i can. but personally i think its a pub game.

i wasnt talking about l4d, i was talking about first ever l4d trailer where they didnt show primitive gamelay.

l4d2, one of the most played games on steam!

what about dota 2

topten playing it live. over the last years. it was cheap, Zombie trend and even girls playing it.

29,920
playing now

31,763
today's peak

161,590
all-time Peak

ff addon
http://www.enhancedsteam.com/

ofc tf2, dota and cod is bigger.

l4d is a singleplayer game with coop, its not fun at all to play the same maps over and over. i really got surpirised people play this game more than once. so zombies are coming from the other side of town on the next run, whats the difference. its overvalued, the game is not meant to be a greatest game of all time, even dayz is more fun. they basically lock you down to run through the same map over and over, complete bs.

thats why i really get dumbfounded why modern development is not more focused on sandbox approach where player is at least given good tools to run around the map, instead of being locked down in one direction. its a real strain on developers also, the keep pumping maps that players only see once, instead of making maps that going to be playd over and over.

the oldschool approach of going a to b is really too old, the new way that games like dayz and garrys mod create a world that is much more natureal and believable, than a to b approach.

just the thought that i already know where i go is really fucked up, its like dring a cup of water, what the fuck. we have so much computer power and all we do is creat some pretty shader walls so everyone can look at them for five minutes, all popular games are basically whoring out the picture and then top it off with a to b. its like activity for zombies, why people even play those. you basically already know that every shooting game will have whoring out the looks combined with going from a to b. nothing new at all.

Whenever I see you post like that, I imagine you as Gollum.

maybe, but at least half of what i say is true.

just to let you know i dont have a golden ring that gives me invincibility or any kind of thing in that nature.

if i never made anything worthwile in my life i would still have the same views, maybe i wouldnt post them for all to see. its all a matter of passing knowledge since no one in direct contact of me cares at least someone better smarten up with my talks.

the ego is always described as some self talk, well trust me there very little of that. i mostly just bounce off of other jerks in the industry, i read them so i guess people like to talk that way, i really dont care about anyone respecting me or anything, since respect doesnt really make my life any easier. i regret missing some of the opportunities but then who cares, its all part of some bs games until pc is going to evolve beyond games. games are like cartoons, they never tell the whole story, at one point you just grow and stop caring about it, even if graphics was lifelike, part of the badness of games is they never make your life easier like a bottle of vodka only giving some relief for a few hours

in other words i am not a jerk, i just copy their style, in my normal mode i wouldnt really care to discuss anything whatsoever. since the best people like cliffyb are all jerks i have to use this style so at least those jerks would hear me and at least change games.

they probably wont, apart from a few cosmetic changes, but hings like for example garyy's mod rust development was probaBLY INSPIRED BY SOME OF THOSE THINGS. but for the most part only cosmetic changes take place, like gorbachevs perestroika slowly blowing up the whole country that hates its all people. i was once surpirised why would russian government would be such a stupid institute, we are falling lower and lower, the empire is on the way down, we cant even value our own people. the way down goes through negligents of our own cultural gems, even like my mod, a sign of decline when you value your own creations lower then imported garbgage from the west.

i am still surprised that many people dont believe i made this mod, of course its me who made it, i never found it in another mans stash or smth. its me who they killed through their own bigotry, there is simply no reason to create anything else. its like making a golden ring and then people spitting in my face that i made it, why would i make anything else, its stupid and illogical.

mate, you feeling ok?

>l4d is a singleplayer game with coop, its not fun at all to play the same maps over and over.

it has multiplayer... coop & VERSUS mode in multiplayer. quake mp has the same maps over and over too... you have a random pattern. zombie waves, special infected attacks, tank & witch arrival and position. and valve implented a luck factor. the witch can go off or not [bug?], special infected have a slightly attack delay if they controlled by humans, kanisters when moved by survivors are flammable by spit from spitter, tank can spawn in fire [bug?], car alarm followed by a zombie wave.

things can work or not :) its not every time the same setup.

in versus mode all little things in the map are dangerous. you will see the map quality only in versus mode. maybe versus isnt the center of the game. for me it is the core and the most fun!

they call it multiplayer but its really singleplayer with coop, any multiplayer game has multiple spawnpoints. running from a to b is purealy a singleplayer game concept

play just once versus and we talk again :)

I enjoy multiplayer co-op and have played some of the maps dozens of times. I always have fun playing it with friends.

i just added to my account :D

Same here

I've been playing it since it was released for free, fucking love it! :)