stop

Well that would be the easiest way But I do like to play in the faceit cups every once and a while. The only problem is I can only play about 3 to 6 duels and after that I just simply can't play even close to how I played in the first couple of duels.

Happens to me too, more easily when I'm not getting enough sleep. A big cue is when my movement deteriorates and I strafe into doorways or stuff like that. I usually try to just take a break right then and there.

I don't know if you get fatigued for the same reasons, but I can make a general recommendation: Get enough sleep and generally live a healthy lifestyle for at least a few days in advance. Preferably live healthy the rest of the time too.

Yeah you should start working out and eat vegan at least a week prior to every face it cup!

And a coffee enema!

I usually get between 7.5 to 9 hours of sleep a night. Thanks for the recommendation but I don't think that is my problem.

play brainlessly aka ca mode when dueling nubs in the faceit cup and don't even focus on aim then when shit gets serious turn your brain and aim on. I'm not even joking, this has worked wonderfully for me.

This is a pretty common tactic in fighting game tournaments too.

ask k1llsen

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I do have ADHD. I don't take medication for it currently. I don't know if that would help. Is it normal to have trouble after a couple of duels. After two is were I begin to have difficulty remembering times and making good decisions but I can play ok until about 4 and that is were I start to forget the item times almost constantly and can't really make good decisions. At 6 matches I am pretty much useless. This varies and once and a while I can get 4 good matches and decline rapidly from there.

i seriously think adhd is just a bullshit condition that fuels itself once you are aware of it. AKA it barely exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyDliT0GZpE (short version)

its all about motivation with adhd. if you really want to be good at something, endless amounts of time will get thrown at it, to the point of ignoring everything else. the flipside is that there will be a lack of concentration/focus when doing boring tasks.

i can play CA for 6-8 hours straight untill my hands hurt. usually i fire up after 2 hours and then maintain a really high pace for a while, till i fatigue and notice i cant keep up with the other players anymore. not sure if its cause i got bored or genuinly tired.

its kind of annoying though, i cant play duel or the likes, i just go for the instant adrenaline/dopamine rush that is CA :>

to add to this; the people that think adhd is fake are often uneducated on the subject, dont have it, or believe in conspiracy theories where pharmacies want to conquor the world. adhd is really often misdiagnosed by shitty docs which only fuels the fire, but in my opinion its a very real issue for alot of people.

Basically you are saying you have adhd and you can't play duel because it's an inferior mod than CA. This is basically terrorism

i know ur not serious, but CA is more of an instant rush while putting in the least effort. addictions are common for adhd'ers

What is your basis for this notion?

The last couple decades, extensive research has been conducted on the neurobiology and neuropsychology of ADHD, which points to the conclusion that abnormalities in neuronal functioning and neuronal transmitter systems heavily correlate even with the most fundamental behavioral ADHD symptoms. There also have been advances in figuring out which gene variations predict these neuronal and behavioral observations. Plus, therapies aiming at changing specific neuronal functioning (e.g. by medication) do alleviate behavioral symptoms in placebo-controlled studies.

As far as I am aware (having heard a lecture about this topic from someone with a PhD in neurobiology and reading a bunch of papers), there is no controversy about the conclusion that neurobiological maldevelopments are a major cause of ADHD.

It is, however, important to have the same definition of ADHD. As an example, the symptoms of ADHD have to appear very early in childhood (before the age of 7 according to the DSM-IV). If you start having problems concentrating as a teenager or in early adulthood -- well then you have trouble concentrating and maybe your notion that these problems may become worse just by becoming aware of them is applicable in this scenario -- but this is strictly different from ADHD.

you pretty much exposed my ignorance. Also you pretty much guessed what was the definition i had of that and why i thought it was almost a fictional condition.

Good to hear. To bring this example to a more general level, I think that this is an issue with many medical conditions that cause (mostly) psychological problems.

Take your sentence as an example:
"i seriously think X is just a bullshit condition that fuels itself once you are aware of it. AKA it barely exists. "

People can quite easily replace X with any mental illness without immediately seeing how dangerous this is. Depression? It fuels itself and barely exists. Anxiety? It fuels itself and barely exists. PTSD? It fuels itself and barely exists.

But hardly anyone would say this about a more bodily illness without seeing how degrading it sounds. Cancer? It fuels itself and barely exists. AIDS? It fuels itself and barely exists. A broken limb? It fuels itself and barely exists.

It seems that mental illnesses still have a long way to go to become accepted as real medical conditions by the public.

it's pretestuos to apply the same sentece to cancer or aids and the likes and a very big stretch of the reasoning behind that sentence.

Depression is a much more accurate example, indeed as well as ADHD, if you are oblivious of that, it won't have an effect on people who somehow develop a part of those symptoms as they are pretty much a natural experience in the life of a person.
If i was talking about depression, as i'm less ignorant about the clinical one, i'd say something like "9/10 of the people who think they are depressed are just bullshitting and mindtricking themself just out of their knowledge of the existence of that condition"..

In other words, some of the sympthoms of these two are usually fought naturally just by being oblivious or ignoring they are part of something more serious. Knowing that influences your subconcious and comes for an excuse for you rational part to actualy be a decent human being.

I could hardly understand any of these ramblings, but it does sound very ignorant. :|

tbh I agree with qwih, a lof of these psychiatric diagnoses have appeared out of nowhere in the last like 10-20 years are are more or less a business strategy for the pharmaceutical companies to sell huge amounts of pills. If a kid doesnt do good in school maybe you could say that its bullshit that every kid should fit into the same exact format and be interested in the exact same subjects, and try to diversify education, instead of just medicating these children with fucking speed (Ritalin), its just a fraud imo

april fools huehue

a lof of these psychiatric diagnoses have appeared out of nowhere in the last like 10-20 years

You're gonna need to give examples for that. Otherwise it sounds like you are making this up. I can tell you that people centuries ago have suffered from, e.g., ADHS and Bipolar Disorder.

that every kid should fit into the same exact format and be interested in the exact same subjects, and try to diversify education, instead of just medicating these children with fucking speed (Ritalin)

Not being interested in certain subjects is very different from ADHS. It may be true that, in certain healthcare systems, diagnosis and treatment of ADHS is done in a way that gives huge profits to pharmaceutical companies. Quite possibly, this is partly unnecessary. The medical condition, ADHS, is still entirely legitimate, though.

Sorry but if you think lack of motivation is the only symptom you are truly ignorant. It effects my memory and awareness most of all. Yes I do have the hallmark symptoms of having great difficulty making the right choice if the reward from that choice is delayed. I don't really feel like explaining it in great detail how this happens. I just can not see the reward at that moment in time so I make the wrong choice. It doesn't matter if I made the same choice before. If I am told the right choice before I make it and am given the reason it is the right choice I will make right choice. For me the mental stimulation is the reward so I prefer duel.

My teacher thought I had ADHD in kindergarten and then I saw a specialist when I was 6 so the That makes sense. Most people think ADHD is fake or just means your hyper. I usually just ignore them.

adhd does exist as "real adhd" is a symptom of a defiancy in the brain.

With that said adhd is indeed "diagnosed" in alot of people that clearly dont have it.

i approve this statement.

I didn't say anything before I just trolled you but I think it is important I say something. ADHD is real and I know this because of I have it. Your very ignorant for saying it is made up. It is very embarrassing when I ask somebody a question or they give me instructions and I need them to repeat them. After they say what they said the first time I can't remember what I have heard. I try as hard as I can to focus on what they are saying after I ask them to repeat it. I remember a word or two but can't remember the whole thing and can't even guess what they have said. I ask them to repeat it again and this time I kind of know what they said but most of it is still unclear. I ask them again and I finally understand what they said but still I can't remember exactly what they said so I kind of just guess because I am to embarrassed to ask them to repeat it again and I also think it would be pointless. The whole time they are looking at me like I am having a stroke. I love you qwih <3 .

everyone has ADHD! :D
seriously if you had ADHD you would know.
playing duels is just challenging for the brain, pretty normal to be exhausted after 3-6 duels with 100% focus.
the solution would be to keep on playing duels to get used to the stress i think.

I think the solution is to make positioning and item timing and knowing when to take engagements second nature. If you have to develop these tactics consciously while playing all the time it stresses you out much more.

yeah thats what i meant but wasnt able to express. :p

It's same for me I can't play more than 5 duels in a row and need the constant CA adrenaline rush, because my decision making in duel is impaired by restlessness and wanting to make something happen right now. I don't have ADHD.

So I don't doubt you have it, but I don't and I have the same symptoms regarding to quake. It's more like my ability to concentrate and stay focused is not well developed because I seek quick gratification over long term goal achieving. It's more like a state of mind thing.

yeah its a combination for me i think. getting accustomed to instant gratification over the years, amplified by adhd.

i get too annoyed trying to duel, patience is not there and if i fuck up i cant just wait 10 seconds and start a new round like CA. have to actually think and pace myself, and i get in the zone much easyer with simple yet very fast games.

I battle it by stopping to play maps like aero walk. Also I would only play one map all the time until I figured it out which makes the process of learning much quicker. Then I would try to forget scores and that the duel is over in X minutes and instead just concentrate on staying out of the enemies way and being invisible as much as possible when out of control until I know all item times and can steal one for example. When in control I try to concentrate on timing alone and denying LG or something. Suddenly you're in a state of mind of wanting to make your game perfect and don't seek the gratification of hit sounds anymore :)

If your not exercizing(conditioning mostly) then start, adhd stems from a oxygen deficiancy in the frontal lobe and may be somewhat relieved by upping your conditioning.
Try running an hour or two before your games and see if that makes a difference.

Other then that keep playing, at some point you will start to get used to the level of play and the fatigue will dissipate.

Two summers ago I began riding my bicycle on the trails around here for 2 to 4 hours a day. I also used a exercise machine that you pedal and push the handle bars for 30 to 45 minutes 3 or 4 times a week. This did nothing to improve improve my ADHD. The only thing it did was lowered my resting heart rate to about 50bpm from 60bpm and it also made me very skinny. I imagine running would have a similar effect. Thanks for the suggestion though. I guess this applies to the other post that say exercise.

Low heart rate is good for resting, but it also means your brain is getting less oxygen because of the lowered rate of blood flow.
The idea is to get your heart rate up a little bit before you play.

If that doesnt help you then you most likely have some other deficiancy other then the frontal lobe issues that were first considered to cause ADD/ADHD/DAMP etc.
Kinda hard to tell considering a slew of symptoms got thrown into the ADHD category somewhere in the early 2000's.

Feel free to answer this question, it may be relevant or it may not be but are you medicating your diagnosis in anyway?

what?

not to come across as offensive or anything, but you sound clueless in all your posts in this thread :/

adhd doesnt have shit to do with oxygen, its a low amount of dopamine/norepinephrine and fewer receptors. this is why adhd'ers have an increased risk of addiction, seeking methods to increase dopamine to feel calmer and more concentrated. tobacco gives a dopamine boost, so does cannabis, and many other drugs.
adrenaline also makes someone with adhd feel better, through whatever means.

if you do cardio regularly, your heart can handle more, it can work slower and handle the same load, thus the lower heartrate. doesnt mean your heart is not working properly and you arent getting sufficient oxygen... what!?

exercise is good to get the mood up (endorphins/runners high) and the usual benefits, but does nothing for adhd.

Adhd is originally caused by a lack of oxygene as a fetus, caused by whatever reason(smoking,drugs,sugar abuse etc), that deficiancy sticks with the individual throughout life.
That deficiancy also causes the lack of receptors and dopamines, dopamines/receptors are in other words a big part of the problem but not the only one.

I really dont see a point in discussing that with him as he asked for help with mental fatigue, i give him my suggestions based off of personal experience as i do indeed suffer from add. What i dont want to do is tell him to use ritalin,efedrin,amfetamines,cannabis etc cause quite honestly i dont see them as a long term solution to his problem, there is also the fact that most of them are still illegal and quite honestly i wouldnt be surprised if he was underaged.

Why are you arguing about the heart, i never said it wasnt working properly and that you would not be getting sufficient oxygen.
I said "but it also means your brain is getting less oxygen because of the lowered rate of blood flow." less blood flow = less white blood cells reaching your brain. This is where the adhd symptoms come into play as we need to compensate for the deficiancy that normally doesnt exist in a "normal" human being..

For you to say that it does nothing for adhd is basically you taking a giant shit on personal experience that i and many others have had.
So if you want to stand by that statement i would respectfully(jokingly) ask you to kiss my ass. :P

I would agree with the lack of oxygen as a fetus that could add as a cause to ADHD. So far it just seems to mostly be a genetic trait though.

Also, meds arent a solution, ADHD cant be cured. They sure as hell can help with eliminating a bunch of symptoms though, and thats something personal to decide. Low dose amphetamines dont do alot of damage, if any at all, thats just blown out of proportion half the time. As for cannabis, I would only suggest using that if you have your life in order and have learned some sense of self control. It can lead to mental addiction, and someone could end up being stoned 24/7 and do even less in life than before. But thats also a personal thing, it helps me sleep about 10 times better, so theres that.


"Low heart rate is good for resting, but it also means your brain is getting less oxygen because of the lowered rate of blood flow."

Thats what you said... If you are an athlete you most likely have an enlarged heart as its a muscle, that just means it can work at a lower pace to move the same amount of volume.

Working out really does nothing for my ADD, never has and I doubt that will change. All it does is give a sense of well being, accomplishment, and helps keep depression at bay. My thoughts would still go round at 300mph though, only meds can slow that down.

Granted, ADHD is a spectrum disorder, so some people will have less issues in life, and for others it can be crippling. It does seem you know a fair amount on the subject which is a good thing ofcourse if you have ADD. All the above are my personal experience and research, so thats why I might come across a little agressive, it has messed up my life quite a bit ;>

Your brain IS getting less oxygen cause it needs less oxygen while in a resting state. That is perfectly normal and the way it should be, but it is NOT optimal while playing where you potentially loose focus because of fatigue like in alot of the cases of adhd. Doesnt matter if you have 40bpm or 85-90bpm resting heart rate as a fully functioning body will adapt to what it needs in that state.
I wouldnt even be mentioning exercise if it actually didnt help me.
But everyones different, there are for example elite level athletes with add/adhd where exercise alone just isnt enough and they resort to medicating.

To give an example of the oxygen deficiancy, alot of people who suffer from adhd have a feeling of a "belt" pressuring the center of their forehead. That is the physical feeling of oxygen defiancy.
For anyone that has been choked out or been in low/thin oxygen level scenarious would feel the same thing.

In my case i dont have "racing thoughts", i just cant focus and i have issues remembering things like timing armors etc, which is another physical effect caused by oxygen deficiancy in the frontal lobe as the frontal lobe handles all your short term memory, reasoning, decision making etc.

It's one of the big reasons why i have stopped playing as my level is virtually like night and day, on a bad day i know what i do wrong but i just cant correct it no matter how hard or much i try.

As for medicating, i personally have never had an issue of addiction, though i know many others where that just isnt true for them. In the case of cannabis i really dont get any benifit while high, though the effects are nothing but positive afterwards, sometimes up to several days off of one time usage.

Most likely because of dopamines and the fact that THC specifically regulates oxygen to the frontal lobe.

Either way, add/adhd is different for everyone, im not hyperactive and my thoughts dont race while the contrary could be said of your self or others. Some people dont react to medication while others do etc.
Guess we just do what we can to get by! :)

I'm trying to find studies related to oxygen and ADHD, but I just cant find any confirming studies. Merely 'random' sites saying oxygen therapy helps during the therapy, which seems like it makes sense... But nobody is gonna walk around with an oxygen tank on their back(?). All research i CAN find is about oxygen deprivation pre birth.
Dont have that belt issue you talk of either. I guess we differ quite alot :P

Cant remember where i found the studies tbh, i read through a bunch of them last year that made perfect sense. Trying to find them now and im not having much result.

Try searching studies about adhd and the frontal lobe and see if that comes up.

Again thank you for suggestions but I tend to be exhausted after exercising but it seems you mean light exercise which I have tried and that does nothing for my mental game it some times does help my aim. I am currently not taking any medication. I did take medication while i was in school but I haven't taken medication for over a year.

depends. against 1.4k elo i can play whole day and not be tired because they lowbobs, and all i need is to time 4 items, which is piss easy.

against better opponents its much harder, and i can play for an hour before i need a smoke break.



i dont want to imagine how complicated dueling must be at highest level. so many things to think about.

http://www.qlranks.com/duel/player/hitsu

1479 is roughly 1.5k. Problems, faggot?

I got no response to that, you sure got me there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GmzyeeXnQ&a...&t=14s

1479 is also almost 14oo, which is what he calls lowbobs

1422 now

ow my, looks like im 1500 now.

We should make a thread to comment hitsu Elo

no, you should actually learn that elo means shit, especially if someone doesnt play the game regularly

Dude right now you take it more seriously than any of us

i dont care about elo at all, but whatever. after all you're not even 1400 noob.

cuz elos are so important. or aren't they?

its not, not even 1400 noob

bloodrun cun7

It doesn't really matter how difficult the player is for me. Even if I don't need to time or do anything more than going back and forth between red an mega grabbing a yellow on the way. I should have stated before if I play a match of clan arena clan arena the fatigue sets in after just one due and by the third duel I am useless. I mainly duel this is why I didn't mention it. But I guess it is more dependent on how long I play not on how much mental effort I put in. I don't know maybe it is just me get bored after 45 minute of play. At that point I do want to keep playing but perhaps the boredom is subconscious or maybe it is related to my ADHD. I imagine it isn't as difficult as you would think to duel at the highest level. I only say this because you begin to do things automatically.

I get much worse after about 6 duels in a row too, I think its normal. 1 hour of full focus is a lot for anyone. If I do a 2 hour break then I can get back fresh.

I think the key is to have as many automatisms possible by training a lot. The more you time, the less it takes focus to time, the more you keep actively track of the timings, the less it takes focus after that, etc.

When I started timing red and mega I couldnt do it a single whole match. Now I can do it constantly at least 4 matches in a row. Practice makes less focus necessary and so you stay clear minded longer. And also of course you need a good state of mind and not rage. If you rage its over.

I am aware that after 6 matches mental fatigue could happen easily. But I was referring more to the rapid decline after just two matches. Timing is always very easy for the first 2 matches. I put no thought in timing. I just look at the clock and know when the item is going to spawn either by picking it up, hearing it, or being aware of where the enemy is. I do this for mega and red armor.I just try to be aware of the yellow armors but don't actually have an exact number for them. For me this make decisions very easy. I don't actually need to focus that hard on the game it is more a matter of remembering. Actually after typing all that I just realized that this issue more than likely is my ADHD. For me it effects my memory most of all. I was planning on doing some schooling soon so I was also planning to begin taking medication. I will see if my problem improves or not.

how you no rage??

maybe if noobs didnt play games with such a demanding mechanical side u wouldnt be so weak after a game

Go away troll.

no please im really interested in your countless threads about frivolous things :((((((

I am just getting started =] . If you think I have written countless threads on frivolous things your in for a treat. I may start posting daily.

oh good thing ur only getting started, because this is going to make you a better player!! everybody knows spamming forums is the sole thing every professional have in common

Eh...

You're saying that he's weak after a few games because he's a noob, when a bunch of top players have posted about feeling approximately the same way.

He wasn't spamming a forum with countless threads, he was posting one thread.

The fact that he was posting about a frivolous thing (quake) is kinda sorta maybe negated by the fact that the forum he posted on was devoted to the exact same frivolous thing. Unless you're referring to some other aspect of his forum post that was frivolous.

This thread isn't exactly a PM from chaotic to you. It shouldn't matter to anyone if you in particular aren't interested.

He never even implied that spamming forums or posting daily would make him a better player.

stahp

Stop being not negative men!

most of his threads are in the likes of "1000 or 12000 DPI?", so yeah, frivolous

I haven't posted a thread like that. I already know 800dpi will allow pretty much anybody to get to all the pixels. There are many things that effect that. Monitor resolution, mouse dpi, field of view, sensitivity, m_pitch, and m_yaw. This http://www.funender.com/quake/mouse/index.html explains some of that.

posting in a he4rtl3ss thread

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Even after one, if it's a good game

drink water and take few secs to breath good after every map ;)

I do this.I drink about 10 to 12 cups of water a day. If it is an intense match I take moments to breath during the match.

dunno how big are cups in the us, but 10x0,5 is 5L, and thats way to much.

I did some math. It should be about 2.87 liters.

thats still a bit too much, but not enough to cause any serious problems that would cause you to lose focus

take a bottle , you need mineral water to be 100% effective

Ignore all your rational thought processes and ignore what people here will tell you.. cus yep you guessed it:

DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, YOU GOTTA BE CRAZY, YOU GOTTA FACEY

3-4 good duels when I'm in shape, endless duels against worse players regardless of shape because you hardly need to think against them, just do your routines. I play cpm, maybe that matters too, because it's faster. I usually take a thirty to forty-five minute break when I feel too tired to think properly.

A half.

If the match is really tight and intense I get even physically exhausted after even one duel. I find this odd cause physically wise I'm in really really good shape and I can for instance do mathematics for hours and I won't get exhausted at all. This is one aspect which I find rather intriguing in quake. I didn't get exhausted at all when I played Enemy Territory a while ago.

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After 6 maps I feel warmed up, after 7 maps I feel tired :).

question 1: after 2 hours which is, in many cases 20 duels
question 2: lose 200 elos against 2000 elos noobs then ragequit, then come back and lose 150 more.

Wow that is 10 times more duels than I can play effectively. Which again leads me to believe this is more an issue of motivation in other words I am getting bored too easily in which case I can more than likely do some thing about it.

Experience is your Friends! Its like Body Excercise. Your mind is a muscle and you can train it. Lots of people who have concentration issues are into meditation.

do you mean 12 duels or you just ragequit half of them? :D

If I play someone good and I really have to focus, i can play maybe 5-6 duels before i start seeing everything blurry and lose focus of everything (not looking at timer when taking items, not thinking logically about anything at all)

I am fucking turd.

No worries I am also a fucking turd. Just not as good as you.

vs me it usually took you 3 minutes

<3

cunt <3

Try playing without sound.

For me quake has the most obnoxious sounds of any game I can think of.

I can play other games and concentrate for hours, quake about half an hour then the game gets too annoying unless I play without sound.

I rage alot less too when the sound is off, so I got that going for me which is nice.....

Playing without sound is like playing with anal plug.
Quake was always top 1 jumping simulator.

Hua! Hua! Hua friend! o/

How can you play duel without sound?

Use wallhack.

thanks for the tip, will try it immediatelly

if you want to win doesn't matter how you feel

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This is good thread. Depends on how difficult the enemy is in my case but between 3 and 5 normally.

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Ritalin

rofl dual???

Lol I can palay thunderstruck all day... What's up with you noobs

You mean play? I don't know how to palay. How do you do that? Will it help me play all day?

Just go thunderstruck 1v1 shaft all day no rocket laming or rail camping.

This will train you for lyfe

ca is way, way, way less taxing than duel. Anyone can play ca for several hours like it's nothing, but duel few can play their very best for more than 5 maps in a row.

try playing 3-5 games and take a break. rapha used to play around 5 maps (equivalent to a bo5 in a tourny) and take a break. some people can play for four hours strait.

it's different depending on the person. sounds like you're the type of person who can play a good hour then need a break. I felt the same way. After hour 2 it felt like if i kept going I'd be playing at 75% of my normal capacity, or lower.

maybe do a set, break, set, break, etc? what elo are you? I'd be down for 5 maps in duel all the time. msg me if you're down (I'm not shit)

While reading the title i thought to myself , most Quakers are mentally fatigued <.< >.>

I don't get tired. Usually I take 3-4 duels to get going and then I can play for hours. Maybe I'd start getting less focussed after 3+ hours but I don't think I ever played that long in one sitting.