Bump.

If you have the opportunity to check the map out and have the time, please send some feedback (good or bad) - I'm always interested in hearing your comments! (Just make sure they're in-depth with solid reasoning and without vagueness)

I like the story!

Thank you, glad to hear your thoughts on the story. :)

What were your thoughts on the map? Did you have any suggestions regarding potential gameplay issues / bugs? (If you have the time, of course, sir.)

Seems pretty cool actually. The layout is interesting, should give plenty of funny fights. It reminds me of Troubled Waters, except you get an LG too. Like ctf2 though, the flag looks really hard to grab, and flag D gets easy RL and LG, so it will probably be pretty slow and low scoring games.

Hum. Maybe a bit too easy to get out of the base by the middle path. 3 seconds after you take the flag and you're back safe in your own base.

Will try it soon :P

Bumpity-bump.

will check out the map later, but whoever proposed an idea to put around columns on open maps to reduce openness probably is rotating in coffin these days....

New Cerberon - by Ricardo "EmeraldTiger" Stevenson
Alpha 2

Download: (Alpha 2)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27277779/map_newcerberon_a2.zip

Changelog:

- Expanded the flag rooms. (resp. to cityy)

- Added a new route connecting the flag rooms and the MH
water area. (resp. to cityy)

- LG moved to new part of MH water area; a SG takes its
place. (resp. to baaked, pikaluva13)

- Moved PG over to former RL location.

- Moved SG over to the former PG location.

- Moved RL to the original SG flag room location. (resp. to byce)

- Swapped upper GA and frontline YA. (resp. to cityy, baaked)

- Swapped RG and Medkit. (resp. to cityy)

- Bigger doorways. (Inspired by Left Behind / Warehouse) (resp. to cityy)

- Removed the doorway from shards to GL; new tele spawn. (resp. to MexicanPadre, pikaluva13)

- Reduced water visibility with a more murky water texture,
along with water fog. (resp. to MexicanPadre, cityy)

- Increased the domination radii in bases by 32 units.

- Bot optimization.

Feedback:
- Bugs (check all supported gametypes)
- Item Placement
- Inconsistencies between bases (I copy and flip the bases and then make minor adjustments as needed if they're quick and easy enough, then I check both sides thoroughly. But it's still possible for something to slip up, so if you notice anything in one base that isn't reflected in the other, notify me.)
- Botplay

ETA:
- Location markers
- Visuals

i like the flag room .. looks interesting to defend.

I'll try to be objective while not being a dick. Knowing first hand, map making is a lot of work and hard to please people.

1. Base has 5 entrances on 3 levels. This cannot really be a map for semi-serious defense. Suggestion - make it more distinct.

2. Passages go everywhere, anywhere you want. This is again, against the competitive ctf nature. Suggestion - merge, unclutter the directions.

3. I understand design is temporary... but the columns seem to comprise the whole map, it's like running in the forest. If you want to decrease visibility, use design, not obstacles

4. Stairs, ladders, ramps, under passages - to me , again, it removes definition of where i would probably like to be. Simplify, reduce, improve flow.

At this time it looks like a map #26 of random community pack that comes up every once in a while and people run around without any idea where flag is. If you want to appeal - make it visually simple and learnable at first.

I think you do have potential in the way you understand space though. Base and are around it is pretty interesting.

To his defence, even with so many entrances, the defenders can watch the right ones because the map is so freaking open there's no way any attacker would go unnoticed. (with voicecom)

New Cerberon
Alpha 3

Download: Alpha 3
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27277779/newcerberon_a3.zip

Changelog:

- Connection from midbase YA to high SG removed due to potential abuse / unpredictability by offense. (resp. to cityy)

- Enlarged the dropdown next to the GL to make it more clear. (resp. to baaked)

- Created a new walkway in the right section of the front base, connecting the right upper entrance platform to the RG / shard walkway. This also shortens the jump from RG to right upper entrance, allowing for an easier route for mid defenders to navigate. (resp. to cityy, baaked)

- Open GA platform replaced with a small corridor. Grabbing the GA opens some bars in front of it.

- Moved the left upper entrance 64 units towards the right. (resp. to cityy)

- Merged the two mid-level base entrances. (resp. to donka)

- Added a second RL and a GA to the upper mid areas, giving mid defenders some resources to work with. (resp. to baaked)

- Moved the mid teleporters underwater, directly underneath their previous locations. (resp. to baaked)

- Removed some columns / supports. (resp. to cityy, donka)

- High central platform in mid now appears in all gametypes, to allow for faster navigation across mid. (resp. to baaked)

- Clip brush added to floor of underwater area so that the RA spawn pad doesn't clip. (resp. to MexicanPadre)

Bump.

If the feedback on the changes is good, I'll proceed to doing the visuals for the next version.

No comments yet for A3? Need some feedback on the changes so I can see if the map is ready for beta.

Also, many thanks to cityy for the commentary on the map - he has done an excellent job on it and I found it extremely helpful in doing the changes for Alpha 3. Be sure to check it out if you have the time. :)

Well, at some point in the development of this I went through a few optimization-related nightmares which left me severely demotivated. Tremendous amounts of hinting. And I moved into a new home yet again, so yeah... fortunately, however, I managed to get things tied up, and now feel comfortable with releasing the first beta!

New Cerberon
Beta 1

Download: Beta 1
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27277779/...ron_b1.zip

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27277779/...nshot1.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27277779/...nshot2.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27277779/...shot3a.jpg

Changelog:

- Established visuals and sound effects.

- Added team locational info.

- Added directional arrows.

- Added Race gametype support.

- Added advertisements.

- Added intermission.

- Added a large pipe that can be used to drop down from the
high YA ledge in the midbase room to the bottom of the
SG room. (resp. to cityy)

- Extended the high mid platform to allow for better flow when
jumping across. (resp. to cityy)

- The GA bars no longer appear in gametypes without items.

Feedback:

- Texture misalignments.

- Missing sounds / textures. (Packing QL maps is a nightmare!)

To-do:

- Cap the patches for the bars (this will probably sound stupid, but how do you link a brush / patch in Radiant to an existing brush entity? I attempted to make a separate func_door in the form of caps with the exact same targetname and parameters as the bars, but they won't move with the bars for some reason)

- Find a way to get the botfile working with IBSP version 47. (I had to use Sock's 2004 bspc compiler since I breached some limits with the old 2000/2001 versions. While it definitely works like a charm, I had to downgrade the map to version 46 to make it function. This doesn't have any effect on gameplay but if the map ever becomes official then I'll have to figure out how to get it to work with a version 47 .bsp since that is what all official QL maps use. Is there a way to hex-edit the .aas to change its version number like a bsp?)

I had to use Sock's 2004 bspc compiler

What version of compilator do you mean and where to download it?

It's a BSPC compiler requested by Sock and developed by Mr. Elusive in 2004, with extended limits to allow for the compilation of Sock's "Pyramid of the Magician" map. However, Obsidian mentioned that the latest versions of GTKRadiant (1.6.X) should also include these same updates to BSPC, though I wasn't aware of this before he mentioned it.

Can still be downloaded here (from Sock's website): http://www.simonoc.com/files/misc/bspc_v2_1i.zip

When I try to compile citycrossings.aas (QL variant adapted for Q3A) I get (though the adapted citycrossings.bsp is playable):


D:\games\quake3\Tools\q3map2_fs_20g>D:\games\quake3\Tools\q3map2\bspc.exe -reach
-optimize -forcesidesvisible -threads 6 -bsp2aas D:\1\quakeiii\ql\maps\*.bsp
Opened log bspc.log
BSPC version 2.1h, Oct 7 2012 15:47:47
optimize = true
forcesidesvisible = true
threads = 6
bsp2aas: D:\1\quakeiii\ql\maps\citycrossings.bsp to D:\1\quakeiii\ql\maps\citycr
ossings.aas
-- Q3_LoadMapFromBSP --
Loading map from D:\1\quakeiii\ql\maps\citycrossings.bsp...
43412 triangles
15304 patch tris
creating planar surface planes...
searching visible brush sides...
71408 brush sides
70985 brush sides textured out of 70985
entity 4, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 11, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 15, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 20, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 95, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 97, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 110, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 116, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 119, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 509, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 512, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 519, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 532, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 535, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 593, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 598, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 599, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 602, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 613, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
entity 614, brush 0: no visible sides on brush
ob->mins[0] = 99999.000000, ob->maxs[0] = -99999.000000
nummapbrushsides = 0
0 curve brushes
6 threads
BSP tree created in 0 seconds
------- Prune Nodes --------
0 pruned nodes
---- Node Portalization ----
0 nodes portalizedERROR: empty BSP tree
Closed log bspc.log