Fresh account, no history, zero credibility. no memento seal of approval, just a paypal link "qcon strenx" tied to your email account.

I advise everyone to steer the fuck clear of this until we get some more confirmation from strenx or whatever.

uhhh burrrrn

Yes, huge amount of scammers here on ESR...

drama queens

When in doubt you can do without.

Here we go man ;)

time to fuck some bitches up kevin. I expect you to rape evil in the final

lol i told you you'd regret not going to DH

Mentalist.

Is this a pure donation or are you staking him (as in you get XX% of the winnings if he places in the money)?

Either way, for me and everyone else that will get to watch a more exciting quakecon this year because of your donation, thanks a lot!

I don't get anything back. It's a pure donation thing.

you could propose strenx to fund next ql events with his eventual prize.
if that's ok, i'll be glad to chip in.

Wish we could stake him man!

:D Ok good luck now!

Hehe donate i will if strenx will oractice hard, he always had the potential to play perfectly when motivated.

Owned

xou why isn't my French post nuked :( you just deleted it haha

We nuke when there are replies, we delete when there isn't any reply

I like plussing nuked posts.

Good news.

I'm about 100% more stoked for quakecon if strenx is going

It's great that so many old legends are excited to go to Quakecon.
I'm sure some awesome matches in faceit/125fps would go a long way towards loosening purse strings.
I know it would for mine.

STRENX ;DDDD

CMSS TO QCON

tox, av3k, strenx. Awesome, I hope you guys will all make it there. I'll try to donate some (at least for strenx and av3k). GL with funding and especially with preparation!

where and when did Av3k say he wants to go?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2593514/tox-to-quakecon/#pid2597701

http://www.esreality.com/post/2597963/n-a/#pid2597701

he said he will think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDqoLimejg

Yes please, make it happen!

Last game played on qlranks: 22 days ago.

I'm a fan of strenx and want to donate, but I gotta see some levels of practice before.

av3k almost 180...but the problem remains the lack of experience on new maps, they could be on shape in 2-3 weeks

what new maps?

av3k knows cure and sinister pretty well

Av3k actually already knows something about Cure and Sinister since those maps were at DHW '13, strenx's situation is more problematic.

BS. They can be not out of shape in 2-3 weeks, but not on top of their game.

Why not? I surely can :) Have you ever actually tried?
QL is pretty stagnant. There is nothing to catch up besides learning new maps.

Well topping 1600 ain't really that hard. Agreed on that :D

It was quite hard starting from zero. Now it's easy :)

Well, I get your point and I agree to a certain point with it but you won't reach your peak level after such a short amount of time. And he will need his best shape to even scratch evil who is playing better than he ever did ;). Both him and cypher have raised the level since last dreamhack.

Faku

top of game is mental state, not physical. especially if you're playing the game for few years at highest possible level.

ok. then when once again the former pro with a 3 weeks shape chokes out of lack of confidence in his moves and lack of innovation in his game at QCon we'll have this convo again.

and suddenly you mention confidence and innovation. do you even brain bro?

"Im quitting im quitting"

When will these idiots keep saying this. Everyone knows strenx and the rest are always active under alt accounts, then suddendly they are active again to play a tournament.

obligatory zero4 quote

You can't retire from a hobby.

BTW, is Zero4 gonna go to Quakecon this year too?

he lives in california...

california => texas (not too far off). so most likely.

CALI <3

now we just need coollerooller

why is everyone basically ignoring how much of a saint this guy is being by just giving strenx 1k usd to play at quakecon and asking for nothing in return, other than strenx' effort.

come on everyone, more love for 1stalker is definitely in order.

You are right. Props to 1stalker.

niggas nickname is 1stalker, there is your reason why he is giving strenx money. Kevin better watch himself or he'll wake up with an ass full of jizz and missing a couple hours from his memory

The collective spirit of ESR would welcome that

deathwiiiissshhhzzz speaking the truuutthhhhhh!

I don't really know if throwing a grand at someone to get them to play a video game quite qualifies one for sainthood, but I'll admit he's a generous guy. Or a rich one, idk. I make a pretty good salary and there's no way in hell I'd throw out a thousand bucks at someone for something like this in a million years. That's a shitload of money.

different people value money differently.

That's gay.

That's homophobic.

that's black

That's racist.

damn!

that's numberwang

I preferred wordwang. :D

wonderwang

What the fuck is this retarded shit?

That, my friend, is what popular (and apparently "good") music has become. For the past say 2 and a half decades, rap has been in an "80's hair band" phase.

Ye, would totes dig some Bach, Beethoven, or Brahms instead

You know how in '90 everything was cheesy, cheap, darude and bludabadibadibay?
It all was shit but in some weird way also beautiful ; _ ;

This is just... nope. One sentence, one loop, 5 minutes.

ear bleach muh nigga

Peace, nigga! o/

This is what happens when you don't have any sense of shame.

Hope you guys realize how important donations are and if nobody's doing it you'll most likely see only one game in the whole tournament - Rapha - Dahang (unless Z4 shows up too).

So please respect yourselves and the community and stay on topic.

I understand not everybody is willing to donate even a dime - that's fine. But please don't dis the others that might like the idea with offensive words.

Thanks

Every follower en facebook, go give 1 euro. Strenx can make a great show at quakecon, you know it.

Hi Strenx :D

lol no I'm "fullmoussi" you can ask me if you join me on in a duel game, I'm just too lazy to create an acc

Ok Strenx I won't tell anyone ;)


















JK

Hi Strenx :D

atleast use a proxy strenx D: its too obvious

http://gfycat.com/BareBlandFairybluebird

The laws of physics were not with this one...

Au contraire, they were very much with him. :D

Obviously not in his head.

:D

yeah he would have been better off if the laws of physics disadvantaged him there :D

:(

Lots of pepople said it before. Start practicing and do well in FACEITs without any whine. Show everyone you can be a good sport and competitive. If you lose due to ping or bad luck then so be it. It will happen to you and everyone else at some point - even at QCON. What is important is how you cope with it.

Basically:

* Very good results in FACEIT
* Positive attitude

Still, even if you do this there are no guarantees. If I was you I would see this as fun challange and a chance to show the community that the old whiny and insecure strenx is history and that people can change. Even if you dont get to QCON it would still be a step forward.

If you don't want to do it for the community then at least do it for yourself :) gl!

be realistic. he only wants to invest the time/effort if he knows he's going to quakecon which is very normal for anyone with a life outside of quake

That's his call.

that rules out cypher.

Cypher most probably doesn't need donations to go don't you think?

Strenx doesn't need donations to go to quakecon aswell as far as we know.. he just knows it's better to take some random quake fans money than paying for yourself, if you can sleep well with that.

I woulnd't expect cypher having this kind of behaviour tbh, ever. Even tho people kinda bash on him.

Exactly what kind of behaviour?
The community (stalker1) started the donation procedure, he didn't ask the community.

The behaviour of asking/accepting fans money for free to travel and play a videogame.

I think that even tho i can't really say that this was strenx idea.. he clearly supported it. It's not like the community is forcing him to accept the money.

"he clearly supported it"

No, people asked him to go and play a videogame on their expense and he's going to be a man about it and decline the offer.

What do you even want from him anyway? :D

Some people would decline but since this thread is not about that i won't really write too much about the subject.

I don't want anything from him tbh, just expressing my opinion! :( Others share the same opinion about it so I don't think it's such a surrealist point of view.

I'm so excited! You guys are making it happen! After one day we already have 7 donators and over $120. Thanks everyone and keep it going.

I'll update the thread later and keep it current.

I'm sending replies to everyone who donated so that you know your donation is received.

If you need to PM for something, please include your mail so that I can reply - for some reason I don't have the privilege to send PM on ESR.

Yes that's because your account is new, but later you'll have access to everything, not sure when though! ^^

I want to see as Strenx humiliates Evil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybze4EPekeE

Strenx is one of the players that needs less prectice to reach the optimal form, and probably the one that needs less, but let's not forget last time he fought an official match he got beat by an unactive Cooller.

Sending an unprepared Strenx could be a waste of people's moneys, as he could be eliminated in the quarters already (if i'm not mistaking, this year there is direct elimination at quakecon).

And Strenx has unfortunately a long history of being unreliable and talking big for nothing.

So he should really start practicing seriously and competiting on Faceit sunday cups. Even a victory there wouldn't be a definite proof of worthness, since on lan his aim will drop, and even at his peak form he never managed to win a lan, but at least it could be a good sign for entertaining matches at Qcon, and it will rise Faceit interest.

This not considering the fact that, with all the moneys he won in the past competitions he should have less than 0 financial problems to buy tickets and everything else.
Even winning a third place would guarantee a complete refund of all the expenses.
Where did all past moneys go? And he's still living with his parents.

I don't like this attitude, "I have enough money to go and i'd probably win back at least a part of it, but i can't be arsed. Let's see if my fans will be so kind to gift me travel moneys, and then, maybe, i'll practice seriously. Easy."

Strenx will prepare for QuakeCon like never before. Last year he won 125 FPS in June as preparation but couldn't get sponsorship.
Not sure about FaceIt as the map pool there is quite different and full of new maps.

Why can't he pay for it himself?

I think it's because he can not afford it. But I'm not 100% sure, I'm just guessing.

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1151-strenx-kevin-baeza

Nobody knows what they are doing with their money, even though I agree that they could use some of these earnings, I can't judge or make any conclusion, so many things you can do and people don't have to know about it.

That's my point. I miss an explanation in the op why that person in particular needs the support of the community.

Yes I know but what if it's personal :D? You can't do anything about that... ;)

If you are against donating, that's fine. But don't get the whole community against the idea just cause you don't get it

I'm not against donating in general but I imho strenx is a bad candidate for that considering his shootmania earnings last year. Would rather donate for someone from a poor country or a young player who is dependent on his parents. But don't worry, people got their own minds, it's not like I have authority here :p

'...or a young player who is dependent on his parents...'

#CMSS2QUAKECON

Cause he would give back the community some great games to watch

So... he has won 40k in how many years?

Anyone working at McDonalds would have earned more than that in just 2-4 years time. Yet I bet you would be willing to support a quake pro who was poor because he only has a job at McDonalds... right? :)

40k over X amount of years is nothing - especially if you count in the fact that he also has many costs associated with winning these 40k (travel/taxes/equipment/etc.).

Either way, I don't know if strenx has the money to pay for himself or not. But his past winnings arent that great.

I doubt he plays quake/shootmania to pay his bills, it's a nice extra income. Hence, comparing it with someone who makes a living with a low-wage job is nonsense.

Extra income to what? Does he have another job? (I dont know if he does or not, so don't ask me. But as far as I know he is/was a student).

But even if it were extra income to 'another job', I doubt as a student he earned much somewhere else. And 40k over X amount of years (after taxes, travel expenses, equipment, etc.) is pocket money.

Ok, if it is pocket money to you I expect 1stalker to announce a 840$ donation from Mr Anonymous within the next 24 hours.

Ok, let's say after taxes, travel, equipment, etc. there's 20k left (out of the 40k).

20k USD over 6 years (according to that website) is around 205,- Euro a month. Heck, even if he had 30k USD after all expenses, it would only be around 300,- Euro a month.

So yeah, if you don't consider that pocket money, then you're either 1) young (and don't have a job because of that) or
2) old and too lazy/stupid to get a job or
3) have a low paying job and should reconsider your occupation. :)

It's not a full time job, he is getting paid for practicing his hobby. Beside of that, on the internet everyone has balls made of pure gold so I don't really care for your talking here.

now you know why i dont reply to anons. fuck people who are too dumb to register a unique nickname.

Exactly - it's by far not a full time job, and neither is the pay. So you just pretty much proved my point that it's "pocket money".

Which in turn makes your whole point mute ("Strenx has so much money, we shouldn't donate to him").

He can invest the money that he earned with his hobby to finance the same. Others don't have this opportunity. I cannot explain it any simpler than that.

Or he earned money with his hobby which in turn he spent in 'real life' (for the lack of a better term), because he's a student who doesnt have a job to pay for these 'other real life expenses', leaving him with no money now, thus being in need of donations.

Here's an example:

Player A has a real life job and earns 10k a month but has no major quake winnings (perennial 4th place player, hehe).

Player B has no real life job (student for example) but has some 'decent' Quake winnings over many years (from 1-3rd place prizes).

Which player needs donation help? Yeah... exactly: Player B. It has nothing to do with where someone got their money from. The question is: do they have money, yes or no?

Obviously I don't know if strenx has the money or not, so these are just assumptions anyways. Overall though, it just really doesn't matter: if someone wants to donate, let them.

Being very good at his hobby and earning money with it doesn't prevent him from getting a "real job" like every other student, and I honestly think that everything has been said on this topic now.

.

He said he was making a living out of quake back in IEM days.

thats like 300 years ago though

Hello guys. This is a thread dedicated to my intention to raise money for Strenx's trip to QuakeCon.

If you find it interesting to discuss how Strenx earns his living, how he spends his Shootmania earnings and whatever else please feel free to start another thread.

If you think somebody else deserves donations more - please do what I try to do in your own thread.

Otherwise please respect what I do, stay on topic and try to encourage more people to join the cause so we can see some spectacular games in July.

Thank you.

People are free to discuss how strenx earns his living.

Yes and another thread would be the most appropriate place for that. That way a lot more people would see what it's all about and get in.

nope

I think it's pretty relevant to this topic even though it might not be in your best interest.

dude make a webpage or something but this is a forum after all, you can't expect people to end up talking about things; at least they are talking about strenx, bad or good, it's marketing still.

nope

You act like one that wants only money, thats pretty sad.
I think its perfectly on topic talking about how he earns his livings and stuff like that..
(Imho)

wonder why no one's asking the same questions of tox/avek. Why single out strenx? (who IMO is the most deserving of the donations from an objective view point considering he's the only one who can put a dent in the current top 3, whereas both avek and tox had that chance at dhw)

What about ponies, can we talk about ponies? Please?

Free bump!

no more updates? did you spend the money already? :)

Nothing to update with. Just a single $20 donation since last update. Trolling took it's toll...

Trolling took it's toll...

What do you mean?

i cri evrtym

I might try to paste this message in other communities but would be hard considering people might not care about Quake even if they like Strenx...

Please try man

wtf? PUT UP how much he needs to go, flight/hotel or whatever we are paying for and put up how much we have donated already.

Shit son, is this your first day?

The thread is updated as soon as there is a donation. I made it clear. What you see is what has been donated so far. If it doesn't get updated for a few days that's because there hasn't been any donations in those days.
Hope it's clear now. Sorry for the confusion.

You come here with zero rep and ask for money while refusing to give further explanations or information and labeling people who ask questions as trolls. And your player wants 1000$ but does not take 10 minutes to give a proper statement here. Cry me a river.

I'll explain whatever you like. Please ask.

#95

"our player" left a simple, but quite an explanatory post what is about to happen it this thread. Since ESR delivers so well I highly doubt that there is going to be more.

"our player" left a simple, but quite an explanatory post what is about to happen it this thread

->

Here we go man ;)

Or did I miss something?

i kinda get now why strenx struggled so much with sponsorship in the past while others seemed to have a way easier time. he seems to expect for things to just magically happen out of nowhere instead of presenting a clear idea about what hes gonna do and what he needs to achieve that. instead noone has any idea if
a) he really wants to go or not. because hes all half assed about telling anything or making clear statements
b) he is any active and dedicated towards competition. maybe he just wants to go there for the lulz and do some so-so performance?
c) whats the actual amount of money needed for him to say "yes, im going" or if he already bought tickets (aint gonna get cheaper son)

its like community and fans have the vague task to persuade him with money to do something...maybe. instead it should be him convincing everybody with a well thought out plan that he reveals in a proper manner.

Exactly. Take this as an example on how to do it right: http://www.i52.tf
- fully transparent: breakdown of the costs
- will pay a reasonable amount themselves
- showmatches for the fans
- gimmicks like ingame items, t-shirt, trading cards

http://www.qlranks.com/duel/player/strenx

not exactly very active

Aliasing? Food for thought.

that's very stupid, because I (and other people i think) will donate only to somebody who practices and plays tournaments.

Like DDK said during QCON 2013 about evil it's hard to judge how much he prepared because how he doesn't really play a full match something like this (?), probably the same for many other duel players :X

Already practicing...

CEMEN GAISE ONLY 820 BUX LEFT TO GO

he can win 125 fps cup and some faceit easy for guy with big ego

thats only about 8 faceit wins!

.

$730 more

is needed

Strenx looking for CTF team.

Evil, Cypher, Tox and Strenx, make it happen :D

Evel can't english, replace him with stermy.

He doesn't need to know how to speak English. He just needs to say shaft.

they'd get so raped

200 more and 1stalker gets a playstation 4

Kid, I already have everything I need. But thanks for the bump :)

Don't forget to watch 125FPS tomorrow - Strenx is playing

Strenx, I hope you make it cause if you put in the practice time, you could win, and it'd be great to add another player into the list that could take the whole thing. Also your playing style is great to watch. Good luck man.

You throw 1000$ to see him just playing in a lan? Damn I didn't know QuakeLive is a rich's game.

ban pls

What? I was serious dude. How come you can spend 1000$ on a game just to see a pro play?

I guess some people have their mind right where it should be.

How come you care?

I'm a banker and fiscal controller.

I see. For a moment, I thought you were actually qualified.

room boasted

serious topics are not welcome on gaming community websites. especialy when you are to say something true that they dont want to see.

hi faceit.

B4ZE?

i speak for everyone when I say nobody gives a rip about a french frog...

No you don't.

I speak for everyone when I say everybody wants to see you ban...

You do

fuckin cross eyed mutants want you banned breh

heoheoheoehoeheohe @ the droooling morbidly obese cross eyed mules!!!

Whats going on, why this wasnt on the first page I noticed this page only today, donate some, please major it!

Also thanks to stalker for such a nice initiative.

I also wonder why it's not on front page. Tox's donation wasn't either.
Only Demon's donation got there.
Shame

once again, if you do a proper newspost, with some kind of statement from strenx (written or in form video), a website with a counter and that sorta shit, it's gonna be frontpaged in no time.

We will gladly frontpage your material once it looks like a news post.

I'll try to fix a few things if I'm not too busy at work

so a guy spending 1000 euros barely cuts it for you to make it the front prage? wow.. just wow.. the insolence is outstanding.

That has to be one of the stupidest things I've read on Esreality yet.

in all honesty, everytime your name shows up i feel the same ;) you are too dense to be bothered with.

ofc it happens every day that someone is a saint that wants to support someone to go make the road trip to qcon.

lol, so clueless

das too bad!

The frontpage is what people, even those who don't play quake see when they stumble across our marvellous website.

We need to strive for some sort of integrity, enforce some sort of rules such as only allowing 180x120 inline images, using proper English, it shouldn't be subjective or include personal opinions and general posting guidelines apply. (http://www.esreality.com/post/683007/what-sho...look-like/)

It has nothing to do with the amount of money spent, if people want to see it on the frontpage then surely at lest one of them will take 5 min and write up a few sentences and format it so it doesn't look like a regular forum post but rather a news item.

It's almost ironic how people would rather spend time bitching about this not being on the frontpage instead of making one

edit: I would like to add that this is not a personal agenda, I would love to see strenx on quakecon more than any other player, I even made his huge retirement post (http://www.esreality.com/post/2509983/kevin-s...-announce/) but I'm working a lot lately and can't find enough time to re-format or create a new thread out of raw data posted here and turn it into frontpage material

fair enough :P

Great post man! I'll read the guide and do my best. May I ask you if I have any questions? Are you willing to review my new post when I write it? Thanks again!

Comepare dem0n's newspost and your thread and toxic's.
Can't you really spot the differences?

http://www.esreality.com/post/2602485/dem0n-a...pid2602735

Putting $1000 is not exactly zero effort. But I got your point and you';re right about the rest. It's the first time I write something like that. I haven't found similar item to see how it's done and I didn't spend the time to find the guidelines. Now I realize that putting the money is not enough and I have to do more, and I'll do it. I would be grateful for any help. I'm not English speaking, not even a Latin language speaking.

Actually there are people, like me who don't agree with this kind of things, and don't want to see it at the frontpage.

Don't know if that's the reason but i agree with ESR not making it major news.

It's over already - money raised w/o front page post

U gotta spam a little to get things moving ;)

Same reason as tox quakecon threads

neither are actual news items and no one seems to be bothered to make one.

ye thats why i donated a 2nd time, see if i could spark some life back into it :P

cmon gusy, only a few dorra would be more than enough if a bunch of people donate \o/

12th June - $300

better start planning for next quakecon.

seriously if a semi-pro with a job can go to events out of pocket, a pro sure can

it's like they forgot their roots and only focus on "I should be going everywhere for free"

welcome to the end, enjoy it

i like strenx but at what point do you try to keep this dream alive?

I saw two types of people competing in events, people who were going to college while playing and getting some kind of education, and people who put everything on the line and focused exclusively on quake. I saw many semi-pros do this too, people who went to events and competed.

fast forward five years, I only see the occasional players have a respectable job or career. I won't name names, but I see some pros working for universities and others for corporate companies (working for a fortune 500 company in IT for example)

but on the other end, I see way too many of those 'put everything on the line' players working at best buy, a cell phone store, or some other mediocre job. these are people who you went crazy for in a tournament, but now they're barely making above min wage because they never perused an education or career, they just played quake and focused on that. no doubt you had players who could of been better, but college had them busy. those players looking back are pretty grateful they didn't drop out to focus on making money in quake

even when I was younger, the idea of not going to college to play games was ridiculously risky in my mind. what's the pay off in the end? how can you make a career out of playing games?

I think the cold hard truth is hitting players like strenx in the face. unless he plans to go game to game making mediocre money, he's going to need a skill or trade. playing quake for money is fun, but working a career getting thousands a month is way more secure and offers 100x more longevity than e-sports money.

I like strenx, but damn, he should be able to get himself to an event instead of getting pity money. and what a surprise it's not flowing in at all.

He's 22 yrs old dude. And he hasn't been competing heavily for the past few years.

Pro quake players are super smart, sometimes it doesn't translate into a good paying job though. There are members of Mensa who don't do well financially. Anyways most of the quake players currently active are still in their 20's, which are the years most people struggle anyway. The older Q3 players all seem to have respectable jobs. I bet a lot of them might have got their jobs through Q3 LAN meetups and they might take some of the lessons learnt from their competitive days and apply them to real life.

I know I would hire someone like Rapha in a sec because I know he's capable of learning and he able to perform under all sorts of pressure.

and they might take some of the lessons learnt from their competitive days and apply them to real life.

absolutely, no doubt a lot of players do well in interviews because they take their skills and apply it to something new (how to kill an interview)

unfortunately you still need some form of a skill or trade to sell yourself. I agree your 20s can be a struggle, but if you're hitting 24 with no skill/trade/education, you better start doing something soon if you don't wanna make 40K when you're 30.

Why are you so concerned with other people creating a career and becoming successful in life? So many idjits here on ESR keep raving about making money.

yeah I'm an idiot for focusing on money

I guess I'm the stupid one

You gotta admit that abandoning your dreams for easy money doesn't sound all that great.

for some yes, for others they like the security. a lot of kids who grow up in 'broken' households want something secure when they're older. I don't fault people, but you kind of need that 'backup plan' if you know what I mean

its an american thing i think

dont like to disappoint you, be he went to college. prolly one of the reasons why he cant pay for his own trip. he still studies.

but yeah, be smarter than the pope.

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Classic hitsu dilemma

Please, let's do something to make it real. What can we do? Make a news post? Now this is a forum thread as I understand?

If it goes to front page, probably it will happen.
Demon's CTF team got 1000euro in 24 hours because of front page post I suppose.

You must take into consideration that there were actually four players plus the almighty Memento. Nevertheless, I hope strenx will get front page and enough money to go shaft the shit out of all bastards there.

sudden epiphany:

BULAT TO QUAKECON!