False, thanks, locked.

We should from now on call it Quake Dead instead.

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All those threads and comments seem to me like premature ejaculation.

Specially that chances to get Reflex actually finished and released are kinda low imo. Unless ordinary Joes give some money on Kickstarter it might be hard to make FPS game for such a small team. And I'm not even starting whining about playerbase. Warsow/Xonotic and any other Quake clones have no playerbase in general.

That's some weak whining, bro.
Step up your game!

PFFFT

Someone has to be the whining guy :D

polacks

& muricans.

Finishing a game is all relative. I have not much doubt they'll get it done, engine and gameplay wise. But finishing it to a level where you are able to maintain all the features you want to do is a different thing.

That's what I mean. Technically, game is playable already.

Xonotic is not a Quake clone, calling it that is like slapping the devs in the face. The gameplay is vastly different, but most people dismiss it due to lack of interest.

It might not have a playerbase now, but I used to play often back when it was called Nexuiz. It had a solid Australian community, and it's where I had some of my most memorable gaming experiences.

we understand. quake live is better you say. ok. no need repeat.

game is still in alpha. please stop trolling

i just keep reading "gag rflx"

any Quake = the death of Reflex

Except QL2.0

first you need new Quake, because "any Quake" are pretty dead as Reflex could be :P

Lovely thing is I play those "dead" games online, nearly every day.

for every new player is dead for sure.
because there is nobody on their skill level.

/care if at least some of us will go to grave with Quake. )


But there is. You wouldn't believe it.

and this is how you killing own game ;)

No. That's the whiners, instant gratificationers, GFX whores, BF noobs and Zenifag.

Some birdie told me fragrr will be the death of QL

COOLLER == Death of everything and everyone............

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false

new update = death of ql

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If only REFLEX had vql duel then I would %100 agree.

But since its cpm gameplay then the quakelive user base will be split into different games until Quake 5.

If quake 5 is garbage then that's gg. We're out.

We're all gonna have alzheimer's when Q5 comes out...

What?! That's just awful!

Well, it could be worse...

At least we won't have Alzheimer's.

And if we do, we couldn't care less anyway. ;)

I dunno about you guys, but my brain is protected against alzheimer.

#smokemoremalrboro

No way. Alzheimer's will have a cure by then, unless you're older than 60.

God I wish I get Alzheimer's when i'm 75. I'll write myself notes and shit like in the movie Memento. I'll wake up and be like WHO AM I!? Then I'll see a note saying to check my id and another note on a laptop with 'turn on' and signed by myself.


I'll put on the laptop and it will have the very best demos from quake 3 and quakelive. And i'll be like what the fuck is this shit? And then there will be a .txt saying 'Quake 3. The most skilled badass video game in history. Grab yourself a coke, some lube and tissues and watch this'

It's going to be so fucking hilarious when the nurses come to check me out during the day, they be like 'what the fuck? why is Mr Landers stroking his dick?' then they'll be like oh shit this nigga is huge, and try to mount me but i'll push them off and be like 'bitch, i'm watching cooller vs cypher quakecon 2010' my dick is busy right now.

Mr. Landers, you are the weirdest son of a bitch on the internet.

thank you, lol :D

lol yeah, Q5 will there be such a thing? What is quake o..

quake 5: Advanced Warfare
Only on Xbox one

hf with that

Quake Live user base will discover CPMA physics from Reflex and realize how much manlier it is.

don't even care if the 50 QL players migrate over, cpma physics will be more intuitive for the "hardcore" fps crowd (cs:go crowd) since air control will exist

granted im a qw player so naturally i prefer the movement/pace of cpm

and i fkn love air control

So does everyone else, those, who say they doesnt, doesnt know it just yet.

I'm sad, I thought that I existed :(.

Placebo.

QW physics is manlier than CPM. Being unable to keep the momentum on stairs makes QW much much better...

We are talking about video games. None of this is manly

...and also fucking annoying

It's a thought that I'm sure all of us have had at some point in the past month. It's not premature ejaculation - it's reasonable speculation, because it could be true. Even though it has a long way to go, Reflex looks promising so far. Even if it's not very popular, there's still a great number of QL players who may decide to take it up as a serious alternative.

let ql die by itself

The beard in this post is real.

Tired of quake 3. Tired of people obsessing over a 15 year old game. It's time for something new.

bb then

No it's not.

but there is no better one in this genre, so yes we are stuck with 15 years old game which is still better than most of modern games in terms of core gameplay design/balance and individual skill cap as well as technically near perfect engine.
Maybe Reflex will be able to change this situation and we all will happily enjoy brand new modern responsive and accurate engine with some sort of mix inbetween PQL and VQL ruleset.

Quakeworld>Quake 3

Tired of football. Tired of people obsessing over a 150 year old game. It's time for something new.

Reflex is the only multiplayer fps I am looking forward to

Same, if it pans out I might build a gaming pc again.

if I didnt like it back then, its hardly that I will like it now?not my cup of tea.

better maps
better weapons
better competitive features

those 3 things alone can make a huge difference.
i hope you and everyone else at least tries the beta

better maps

better as stolen from q3 cpm? the beta match was played on cpma3 or whatever its named.

better weapons

total ripoff from quake standards

cpm clone = 27 players in a long run

more players than quakelive will have after it gets shutdown in a year
hahahahhahahaha
hf watching people play a man's game next year, you scrub



edit: have you not been paying attention??????
maps are just place holders, it means nothing right now. improving the maps will be a big focus from the dev team.
weapons are going to be made to work better with cpm's movement
this is coming from newborn's mouth

i like how you focused only on the non important part of my post. kinda proves my point cpmers are nobrainers

One person != all cpmers

its not my first interaction with cpmers.

why even bother with hitsu :')

because im not blind unlike all you cpm lovers

<@sponge> people who play quake live now have been playing for 5+ years, or 10+ years since q3
<Fragmaster> but what will you do
<@sponge> i dont think we need to do things to keep them around
<@sponge> because they arent going anywhere

And you call me blind, sorry but the only reason I play cpm is QL all along, what a disgrace for the genre, while the rest of them are building esport scenes QL is just a dead living game where players have to ask for donations to compete. And don't get me wrong, the gameplay is ok but I stopped playing right away back in the beta stage because it wasn't innovative at all, it was exactly the same thing again, they didn't even change it visually to make it look like a different product because of what i quoted.

Perhaps reflex is not your thing but at least devs read all the shit you guys post in here and they have a better perspective of how you should create an arena shooter, not gameplay alone but also proper features. I think we just got lucky having this project alive and any kind of elitism has gotten irrelevant to this day inside the genre.

Which is why reflex shouldn't be a copy of cpm.

And don't get me wrong, the gameplay is ok but I stopped playing right away back in the beta stage because it wasn't innovative at all, it was exactly the same thing again

what megaman wrote \o/

innovation = code word for more vq3 gameplay, i see.
i don't mind a couple of vq3 additions in reflex, but the core needs to be cpm.

if you guys are serious about innovative fps shooters
go play ut, xonotic, warxon, warsow, loadout, etc.
there's no need to troll/argue with the reflex community when innovative fps exist right now.

who said i want innovation?


btw. what is reflex community? bunch of cpmers wanking over game thats not even released?

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The image is not approved yet, but you know he is right, right? The reflex community on ESR is 5 users or less that are wanking over a game that they think it will be exactly like cpm We all know that one change from it will mean the 17 brave remaining cpm players will say reflex does not follow cpm's core.

Innovation is the opposite of VQ3 (a 15 year old game) and opposite of copying QW and Q2, which is what cpm's whole concept has always been about. Furthermore VQ3 did not work, so it shouldn't be the inspiration of anything.

Innovation is needed because of what memphis said when talking about QL: there's no point in playing the same thing again as for that there's Q3 and also the game wasn't actively played for a reason. Incidentally, Q3 is superior to QL in terms of everything that isn't the (shitty) interface and (shitty) centralized system.
There's no point in playing a cpm clone with better graphics if for that there's q3's cpm, the latter which didn't have a playerbase at all, so copying it will mean a dead new game immediately, and cpm will always have more maps, content and will have the exact same gameplay that you want in that game. Nothing can replace cpm, q3 or whatever, no matter if they try.

all the cpm maps are old garbage, everybody knows that
most of the weapons need to be improved( i bitched at arqon about that back in the day, but he left them alone cause he felt they were perfect :/)
there's no reason why reflex couldn't be at least as big as quakelive(20k playerbase?) if they put enough work into it and quakelive dies(you can disagree, but you have no proof. time will tell who is right).
i doubt anybody on the reflex team believes their game will ever become a true hit game because arena fps are so niche nowadays.

blah, blah, blah, this is a waste of time.
going to just email the reflexdev team my thoughts instead ;p
i've spent enough time talking to trolls

why do you keep saying q3 was never big? it was fucking huge.

Yet the numbers never back that claim up.

CS and other games were always much bigger than Q3.

what numbers do you speak of

it took cs almost 2 years to beat out quake3 and quake 2 in numbers
sometime in spring 2001 is when it first had more players than either quake 2 or 3

starcraft took quite a while to become bigger than quake as well.
some website said that it didn't become a hit until late 00 or 01

can't be assed to find my sources. google for them if you don't believe me

quake3 was huge for a year or two
you're completely right

There aren't sources like that, SC and CS (lol) outsold Quake3 many times over and back in the day there was registered activity of those games, in which the first two were way above everything else..

gamespy isn't a source? it was the best source possible.
spring 2001 is when cs had more players than quake3. google it

cs outsold quake because everybody and their mother STOLE QUAKE
qw-q2-q3
all easily stolen back then

Couldn't people play these games by other means than gamespy?

Yes, but server browsers were crap at the time and didn't show all servers available. Everyone used Gamespy, the All Seeing Eye or some other external server browser.

anecdotes

The reflex community on ESR is 5 users or less that are wanking over a game that they think it will be exactly like cpm We all know that one change from it will mean the 17 brave remaining cpm players will say reflex does not follow cpm's core

There is literally not a single thing about this that is true. I can not see how in the world you got any of this from anywhere. All of us want change or something unique, and none of us are having a cry over the things the dev team changed from cpm. It's almost as if you're talking shit purely because you hate cpm players or something, because I'm astounded as to how you think any of this. Please enlighten me, where did you get any of that from?

"It's almost as if you're talking shit purely because you hate cpm players or something, because I'm astounded as to how you think any of this. Please enlighten me, where did you get any of that from?"

he wants reflex to be more like quakelive/quake3 and he thinks scaring the devteam will influence them the best
go see his posts before he started talking smack on cpm

"a long weapon delay is preferred because i came from quake 2", etc

lol when did I say any of those things? I remember writing the exact opposite actually, in one of these reflex threads.

Reflex and the QL patch brought some good things, such as discussion of finally dropping Q3/QL as the main game of the community, but at the same time it meant lots of new users to the site that have no clue whatsoever lol.

He doesn't seem to actually know anything about cpm, or it's community.

This is exactly why you are on probation.

In hindsight, this is exactly why you shouldn't be on probation.

yougotit

<@sponge> people who play quake live now have been playing for 5+ years, or 10+ years since q3
<Fragmaster> but what will you do
<@sponge> i dont think we need to do things to keep them around
<@sponge> because they arent going anywhere

this is so sad. quake live developer does no care for their community. they think every ql players is addicted to the ql game like lemming.

i also like that newborn listen to people. i think this is very positive thing for this REFLEX.

UT = DEATH of QL

will be playing reflex and UT next year. I can't wait

hopefully, esreality moves away from quakelive(qw/q2 news will always be welcomed ;P), so it doesn't die, too

Haha, nice troll.

lolUT

lolwUT?

I like Quake4 :) excepts for its netcode.

Fix q4 and then we will have a new quake.

That will be QL 2.0. ;)

Massive plot twist!

this game is CPMA!

/me gives dbsg to "id" to shoot foot..

I don't see how reflex could fail the way other games have when it offers an in game map maker that can be set up as a dedicated server for community made maps. That all by itself insures longevity and is the equivalent of a long awaited dump on id software's front porch.

Sorry hitsu, I guess you don't enjoy freedom and choice. Too bad cause you're distaste and curmudgeon attitude is going to keep you from the many joys that reflex has to offer.

Even if reflex was/is a cpma clone, it's still more versatile in every sense. Quicker, unlimited map creativity, a dev team that listens. It's a game that has the potential to open the doors back up to old followers when ql pushed them all away.

Freedom unlocked. Let the fun begin again.

you're delusional bro, its just cpma with high system requirements and its never gonna be finnished

Nope. It feels much more fluid and a real matchmaking system is planned. Its an entirely fresh built engine. The bulk of hard work is already done.

Make a valid point next time.

matchmaking means shit with a playerbase of 30. Dont get me wrong, id like for it to succeed and be big so i can move to it when/if ql/q3 dies. I just don see it happening

Oh. Personally I don't really feel that ql is anymore alive than all the games in the series. The numbers are gone and still dwindling. Reflex has been gaining steadily. In alpha state nonetheless. That says a lot about the quake community in general. It's release couldn't have come at a better time. Some will stick with ql as it was their first one they played in the series. Ql molded an entirely different community because It's features were entirely centralized. Most of us seem to be sick to death of it. Paying for shit that was already free is absurd and it isn't what kept quake alive in the first place.

Five reasons why ql doesn't matter anymore:
1. Cheaters can't hide when you own a dedicated server. Perm ban ip, done. Stop relying on a centralized system of "fairness".
2. devs don't have any power over expanding their product. It's all up to the big wigs who don't know dick about it. How dull is that when it's predecessors gave the community free reign over expansion.
3. Game was watered down so much that its almost like your playing with nerf weapons. The weapons don't even do the same dmg. Pussified the whole game so it feels more fair. Why? Leave it alone. People who are unskilled die, making it take longer serves for what purpose exactly?
4. Community is saturated in " my way or the highway" mentality. Duel and ca on the same maps til the end of time. Most don't even seem to know about the old days when there was hundreds of new maps mods and models released daily for free. A community that keeps itself dull and mediocre.
5. the game is dated. It's hardly a high point for me to have awesome graphics but how do they expect real revenue if they aren't appealing to newer generations. Ffs, get a worthy engine and put your heart into something people want.

Reflex has been gaining steadily. In alpha state nonetheless.

Oh really? According to this it's peaking at ~30 players, down from a dizzying high of 160 at release.

And this is different from every other quake or quake clone how?

I somehow manage to find some people close to my area that play these "dead" games.

QL is stale and rotten, it's hardly worth mentioning. The peak numbers who play in my area? You got it! Around 25-30.

Now, you just walk your happy ass back to the news room with your statistics and ead.

You said it was "gaining steadily". It's obviously not. You are wrong. Sorry if this upsets you.

And this is different from every other quake or quake clone how?

I never said it was.

I somehow manage to find some people close to my area that play these "dead" games.

I never used the words "dead game" so who are you quoting here exactly?

QL is stale and rotten, it's hardly worth mentioning. The peak numbers who play in my area? You got it! Around 25-30.

No idea why you are bringing up QL, but If you want to compare it: http://steamcharts.com/app/282440

Statistics don't dictate reality bud. I play by what I see right in front of me. I meant activity in the servers that I see daily. You can stare at statistics all you want like a dead drone, but in the end, ead.

That reply was aggressively dumb and you should feel bad.

You should feel worse for wasting your time. Pointing out a granular grey fact that is moot in its entirety. Be proud to be right good sir. Be proud to point out all that barely conscious blather, banal and empty, without any degree of substance in an utterly anal retentive fashion while vying to appear ''intelligent'' with your goobery ''actual'' sentiment.

Garbage in, garbage out.

What? Expected someone to hold your hand through this?

No idea why you are bringing up QL, but If you want to compare it:

lol damn, reflex is actually really close behind for an alpha build with a lot of issues vs a game that's been finished and polished for a lot of years

o... k?

step away for a bit

Close? Perhaps if you compare it in absolute... ~800 players is indeed small a difference between two games, but only if those games are big. Both reflex and QL are small niche games. I think in this case calling a 800 players difference "close" is a stretch. It's 25-35 times more... and that doesn't count a single player from the standalone.

I can agree however that Reflex isn't doing bad for the state it is in currently. This is nice and I hope things will get even better.

reflex is not released yet in full working state. how you can compare? why you always put down other game. more than one game can exist in universe. quake is good game, but it is very old and people want new game now.

Newborn does not deserve your constant flaming and trolling here.

I don't think newborn is so sensible that he is unable to parse information correctly like you. Here is what you should read in the last post.

1. QL and Reflex are far apart in terms of player counts.
2. Reflex is doing well for its state.
3. I hope Reflex will do better as it improves.

Flaming and trolling? anon pls

Newborn is smarter than your passive agressive responses. he know you are die hard ql fanboy troll who have no interest in playing reflex so why in this thread ? because someone say ql is death? no need defend ql all times, noone care yours opinion about reflex because you do not plan playing this game.

You truly are a fun case. Someone says a good thing about a game and you first say this person is dissing the game, then when you realize that he's not, you claim his opinion is unimportant anyway. Do you turn your brain off with everyone or is this a special treatment for me? Anyway, if you care about who says what, you should at least have the honesty to reveal who you are.

By the way, I'm not interested in Reflex at this stage of development but further down the line when it will be more stable and will have the inevitable VQ3 mod (or the ability to tone down the air control a lot), I might end up playing that if others do.

1. Cheaters can't hide when you own a dedicated server. Perma ban ip, done. Stop relying on a centralized system of "fairness".

Are you aware of a thing called dynamic ip? Are you going to ban entire ip ranges, so legit players also cant connect?

There are much better ways to ban cheaters than by ip.

I love you new quake players that act like they've figured everything out. Relax bro, it's just a game.

who says im new?

because you wanted to play in newbies cup? :D

OUCH GG,, NO RE

Noob != new. I suck for a very long time now

I doubt it.

Well anyone can assume anything, and you're all about assumptions

So you've been playing for a long time, but are still terrible. I'm sure your opinion is worth something.

I been playing a long time and am still pretty bad. :O/

Guess I'm just a glutton for punishment,, or a sadist.

sorry stucked ql players. but you will soon realize that reflex and ut are the way to go in the future.

lolUT. its like a slow-mo quake with OP weapons and nub dodge button

epic is actually nerfing the guns now, so we'll get slomo quake with warsow caliber weapons that dont do shit but sparkle.

Weird considering the crazy weapons were the thing UT had going for it.

cannot hit headshots with sniper while having horizontal movement speed, flak cannon primary just got nerfed, rox splash radius reduced, redeemer wont nuke the map if the rocket is shot down before impact etc...

For noobs.

I was very skeptic about reflex, but it proved me wrong, even in it's alpha state. I actually like it, I like that there's no fast weapon switch, I like that the editor is idiot friendly and I like to be able to see constant progress made by the devs. Only thing that I don't like is that it performs shitty on my 2009 laptop, which I can't really blame the game for.

I don't expect it to have a big player base, or have an impact on esports. I just want a game where I'll be able to play some good ctf.

I was hyped for Reflex and expected to be disappointed in some way, but it's actually better than I expected so far. The netcode is awful atm and I have to turn off all the graphical effects and play at 720 to get a smooth 250 fps on an i5-4670k and r9 270x and it still manages to be fun.

IMO there are already maps that are more fun and interesting to play than anything in QL despite having no textures, no polish, no real playtesting. You've got bdm3, a small and fast-paced map with lots of teleporter action and rail angles; xfdm2, the standard FFA map right now with some nifty jumps and interesting rooms to fight in; dp1, a wild map with plenty of vertical action and traps; thcdm1-velocity, which feels straight out of the original Q3 map pool and shows that that style can be fun in Reflex too. I'm sure there are others that I haven't even seen yet because I've only had the game for a few days.

And that's in, what, like a month of Reflex being public? The game has a really bright future ahead of it. The best thing about Quake is the community, and QL shut them out. Reflex is bringing them back.

Also hyped to see what Reflex CTF will be like. I've pretty much stopped playing the alpha now while I wait for it.

release date announce or no?

For CTF? Last I heard he said it will be a little while because they have to sort out something in the engine to allow them to mirror maps and stuff as well as some other few things.

Thats all I know. I havent been keeping up much lately

thanks

update when you hear something please

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Havent played much air control CTF apart from xonotic. I was of the opinion that I enjoy vq3 physics more but after playing like a billion reflex duels I'm not so sure

5 second flag runs here we come

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Don't worry, newborn loves CTF :)

cpmctf2 @ #6 ;)

pls no cpm or ql remakes... fresh _new_ maps ftw

i 100% agree.

the joke was newborn's unrelenting hate for cpmctf2 (which we played almost nightly in 2012/13) at our #6 server

Because it's a god awful map :P

you're godawful :p

B>

you SUCK

CTF FUCK YEAH!!! MOST ENTERTAINMENT SHIT EVER!!!!

is reflex deader than warsow yet

lol fanboys

http://reflex.syncore.org

It's still incredibly early, but I have honestly never seen more than 20 players testing these pre-alpha builds at any given time

linux dedis pls...:>

It's at that "nobody's playing so I'm not either" stage. Any time I hop on a server with someone, other people come. I don't think it's going to break out of that until the game modes most people want are implemented, namely CA. Most people I've played with in the 3 or 4 days I've had early access don't seem to have experience with Quake (item control).

btw that server browser gives me a boner, how much of that did you design and code yourself?

PLEASE NO CA IN RFLX

These two things can kill reflex (not saying there arent others):

- Implementing CA (which means it will be the most played mode, and finding duel/tdm/ctf maps becomes a PITA like is happening in QL right now)

- Map remakes

But perhaps those who only play CA wouldn't get the game in the first place if there was no CA.

Problem is that most never evolve past CA dull gameplay. And those that would prefer other mods, end playing mostly CA cause its whats active.

boo...hooo... noone cares

If it weren't for CA players ql would be a wasteland by now. Why are you so obsessed with a fucking game mode? Don't play it if you don't like it. You're just like an annoying vegetarian who goes around judging people who like other things. It's sad, grow the fuck up

u mad?

It IS a wasteland, only CA being active is one of the things that made me stop playing. Youre reasoning is like, im poor, so its ok if i get payed for letting others fuck me, bc working is too much hassle.

It's not like game type is root of all evil.
Same with old maps ;)

So you quit tdm, ctf, duel, ffa cos of ca. Might aswell blame counter-strike

this kills a game:

- a gametype that will be played a lot.


Fucking logic right there.

This kills the game he wants*

A retarded gametype that will be played a lot leaving the proper gametypes in wasteland.

What is a proper gametype? Something you and 20 other guys like?

Give me a break. You're making no sense. Offering people a gametype that is fun, engaging and easy to get will kill the game? Because it's not a "proper" gametype based on your elite standards? Guess what, newcomers don't want to deal with your elitism. Elitism WILL kill the game much, much faster than casual gametypes.

If you really think reflex or any arena shooter will thrive from hardcore gametypes you're are so very wrong.

People initially start playing games because they want to have fun, getting beaten senseless in what you call "proper" gametypes will leave the community stagnant.

Elitism? GTFO. Im far from an elitist. Deathmatch FPS without items isnt DM. Newcomers should play vs newcomers. Veterans raping newbs isnt a problem of the gametype but matchmaking.

"Im far from an elitist."
Folowed by
"Deathmatch FPS without items isnt DM"

I'm getting a mixed vibe here.

Whatever, i prefer a complete gameplay where players are separated by matchmaking, not a dumb gameplay that blurs the skill level of players, making complete gameplay modes wastelands. Im making a fair point here, you can agree or disagree, but i stand for my right to push it as far as i can.

edit: also your supposed irony between those two statements isnt true, that line isnt proof of elitism.

After playing being in the Quake scene for 15+ years, watching new FPSs / DM games come and go... don't worry about it. Just play and support the games you like.

With all that said Reflex is getting my CPM bood aboiling and my CPM blood is really thick.

#playmorecsgo

Do I need to look for cheats or are they preinstalled?

.

Why are some of you so against air control? Gee it's just terrible I can move in mid flight. The agony! Bastards can't rail me as easily in mid air. The pain! The horrible pain! Gaining speed is too easy, which sucks!

lets say they get rid of gravity entirely and you sit there, arguing against the new kids who love it how it didnt add anything to the game, is just unneeded and the old one was mre punishing when doing the wrong calls because you couldnt just yolo switch direction whenever

some physics are just needed. and most people liked the vq3 amount more

lets say they get rid of movement entirely no air control, no ground accel, no moving forward, no crouch, nothing.. and you sit there, arguing against the new kids who love it how it removed movement altogether from the game, how it's just silly and how the old one was mre maneuverable when feeling the need to dodge a rocket you could just move to any direction or at the least crouch whenever

some movement is just needed. and most people liked the QW and CPM amount more

im glad you got my point

It was a confusing example, because gravity is not the force that works against air control.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/328070/discussi...672724462/

i love it how they all write cpma style games. he he, still pretending their beloved cpma ain't nothing but a shitty ripoff of qw.

b-but rail and stairjumps!

This is why Quake failed: people.

implying those cunts represent cpma in any way


edit i was meant to reply some other dud

i cant win so that means everyone cheats

Tryrl?

Why did nobody say anything about his "controller" talk? I'm confused.

In any case, this is some good comedy.

that's a big lol.