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If you miss his high-level game analysis and commentary

I rofl'd.

In respect for ins, I deleted the campaign. I still think if you want something, work for it, I stand by my oppinion, but I removed the page.

dkt isn't wrong you know.

no potato salad, no money

What are you talking about, it's right there.

Nobody wants me to be happy? We live in a cruel world.

You exaggerated to make a point how retarded this thread/campaign is.

The sad thing is, it's even more retarded than any mockery could make it look.

0/10 cannot fathom

No not at all, this is exactly how retarded I think this is. You can't know what exaggeration is to me on a certain subject, this is silly, stupid and just off the top crazy. Want something, work for it.

yea, my opinion. this is just pathetic.

So this is oke:



However sharing snide (but not very serious) remarks towards a friend's "donation" is not?

Edit: Not sure why I went into ":@" mode considering the entire feel of the thread is "Xd plz"

Also, NO JOHN YOU ARE THE RETARDS. And then John was a Patreon.

Edit edit: I originally thought other dude was having a go at funnyb for sarcasm (rather than other dude agreeing with funnyb), then realised other dude was agree with funnyb and edited my post. However my edit was badly worded and cos I removed the part where I was having the go at other dude it then looked like I was having a go at funnyb for having a go at ins. Now am confuse :(

I'm not denying anyone the freedom to do with his money as he pleases. You can donate it to North Korea, for all I care.
That said, this is still a public forum so I'm not gonna feel bad for sharing my opinion on the matter, not even slightly. :)

Well yea, just wanted to add to the context that it's not just random people shitting on each other's ideas and that ins and fny know each other, that's all.

The paraphrased quote was a reference to this btw :>

Oh, nice comic btw. :)

Plus that ins hasn't even said that he would put at least half the money, easily obtainable by working a couple of hours and/or by selling his current PC.

Sorry for the confusion. My point was that this "ins streaming fundraiser" is more retarded than any mockery (like funnyb's) could make it look.

No need to apologise, it's totally my fault for misinterpreting, since your post was clear enough. :)

Sadly not even this is as bad of a fundraiser.

I dont think youre in a position to mock someone after your last stream-appearance.

Oh hey it's my hater. Sorry you didn't like my for free first time casting duel seriously, I hearby offer you my little sister as an apology, please abuse her as you wish.

I take claims on her first.

just tell me where u dump her after u finish

That's gonna take a few years.

hope he has a 2nd sister then

ASL (Age/ Sense Of Humour/ Likeness in Physical appearance to you) of sister ?

If answer to all 3 is "yes", might start h8tering too...

30/45 - None/Very good / Both got beard.

u wot m8 talentless hestknuller shticunt unworthy of licking regular 1000 ELO eastern yurop analysts' boots gtfo back to NoDICKtv with black dildoes and shit.

That'll be one phone number plx.

Just any number? To anyone?

Phone # of French-Canadian blondinka from Ubisoft plx.

I do believe there was also some talk of funnyb's sister....

I just find you annoying as a person, 'nuff said.

That's fine. I don't mind you, but usually if I find someone annoying I just try to avoid them. Just my five cents.

True.

Thanks for this Prot but I'd just like to make a quick official statement to avoid any potential future misunderstandings (happens more often than not with donation threads).

However, due to prolonged persistency from people who are interested in watching me stream again

I rofl'd.

u rofled twice already!

What can I say, I'm just full of roffles.

lol, get a job.

lol, get a job.

lol, get a dkt.

dude i remember that u asked ppl on #tdmpickup to pay for ql premium for u

if this is trolling, well done

Nah ins really is just that cheap. ins, get a job!

bottom right

lmao

Impeach Krogoth

Retroactively remove Krogoth's ESWC qualification!

People on ESR not getting "we meat again" references, Bruno asking for $$$$s of donations for make stram PC, metagame stagnating since summar 2013 to the point there was one final which wasn't cypher-evil (one of them knocked out in semis by Pavel) and people are still talking about it, Loadouts for my hideouts and hideouts for my loadouts.

I've been saying this for some time, but can we finally and unanimously refer to this moment as the one whereupon QL officially went full pizdec? :C

Maybe.




what's pizdec mean?

Pizdec is a Russian slang/swear word synonymous (contextually but not linguistically) with "clusterfuck" although it derivates from the term "pizda" which means cunt in several Slavonic languages (Russian among them).

Omg, this really made me laugh irl, REALLY?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-ins-s...id=2623678

Two people should set things up so ins has to play against himself in a TDM cup match.

Do it! ;)

Atleast you can play CSGO right now. :(

GET A JOB

Hi dkt.

That's my line.

Sorry. ;)

I can send you my old GeForce 7600 GT.

Better than my old 6600. ;)

I have that in my "work" PC :D

Donated a dollar ... I'll be getting payed soon and will contribute to you some more. <3 Ins

Thank you, man! :)

who?

1000 euros seems quite high just for a PC upgrade.

I mean if he already have monitor + mouse + keyboard + headphones + PC case and PSU. All he need is CPU, GPU and maybe RAM. Or does streaming involve a special Streaming card or w/e? Plus he could add a little money himself if he realy want an upgrade.

I think aiming for 500 or 700 euros would be easier.

Good luck!

perhaps it can also go towards buying new games to stream

perhaps

The basic components for a decent streaming PC (CPU, GPU, RAM, mobo) add up to around ~€900 on their own, and considering the potato ins has now, he's probably gonna need a new PSU aswell.

what about below decent then, how far below €900 could you go? i'm curious.

let's say, oh 720p?

You do not need more than the following to stream most popular games on max settings and 60+ FPS in 1080p:

Intel Core i5-3570K (~240EUR)
8GB DDR3 1600 RAM (~70EUR)
GeForce GTX760 4GB (~250EUR)
Socket 1155 Mobo (anywhere between 80EUR and 120EUR)
Aftermarket CPU cooler for OC (40EUR to 60EUR)
Decent 500W PSU (60EUR)

So you get all of that for 800EUR maximum (probably even less). Anything above that is not needed and just throwing money at a hobby (nothing bad but not a necessity). These specs will also be more than enough to get QL and probably CSGO running at 120FPS while streaming on 30 or even 60 FPS.

Could I get a 400-500€ rig stream running in at least 125fps / 30fps?

My budget can't go above that ammount of cash as of now.

That's cutting it quite short if you don't have any parts that you can reuse in your new build (not talking HDDs and DVD-ROMs now, but actual important parts). I'd say with 600-700 you could get a complete Tower. If you send me your current hardware I could look into it. Also need your current country of residence in order to find the parts in online-stores that ship to your place.

Thanks for the effort mate!

But as of now, this'll be too expensive for me.....


At least I'll be able to play, without streaming, as of now!

I can stream at 144 fps/ 40 fps 720p with a shitty amd x4 750k and a r9 270 4gb / 8gb ddr3

We talking QL here right?

well, technically I can't anymore since my ISP changed my ul to 4 mb/s from 10 mb/s but I could stream duel at steady 144 fps / 40 fps 720p before on this rig. I'm sure it would lag in ca, tdm, or larger maps in general.

Ye that sounds reasonable.

I have that exact spec PC, been very happy with it

We looked into it, but his current PC is too old and there's not much (if anything at all) that could be used in an upgrade. And the money is just for the tower; no monitors, mice, keyboards or anything like that. Also, he won't be getting the full €1000, some of it will go for IndieGoGo and PayPal commissions.

If you can list his PC specs maybe some can help him out with affordable upgrades?

His current PC is a Packard Bell with an i3 540, 4GB RAM and an HD 6700. The motherboard is a Packard Bell imedia S3810.

Without a new motherboard, there's not much that can be done, maybe except maxing out the RAM and get a second-hand CPU that's supported. But I doubt any of that would make much of a difference.

He could sell that too.

give me €1000 and i fly to portugal and throw burgers at ins and his family.

i'm willing to support your future endeavours!

Where do I donate

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nice beg

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when theres a steam sale

somebody summon dkt

The Portugal player also known as Bruno ‘Insan3&#8242; Pereira may be attending QuakeCon 2014 this year! Ins announced on his stream (www.twitch.tv/theamazingins) that he will go to QuakeCon if he gets enough funds! He is also offering perks along with donating and the perks are. $30+ will get you an analyzed demo on stream (you choose the demo!) $50+ will get you a personal Quake Lesson! $100+ will get you an autograph on a McDonalds Napkin! $200+ will get you a sweet guitar solo and custom lyrics on stream! There has currently been over 15+ donations and the donation list currently follows. _nova: 40€tina: 10€jorinde: 25€DocP: 20€twister: 1€em_a: 25€anonymous: 200€Predath0r: 50€menina: 12,5€Evilbollweevil: 10€Sietsem: 2€hauer: 40€Anonymous2: 100€Zsolt: 4€Alf1to: 15€Christoph: 150€Kodisha: 50€Anonymous3: 50€ Be sure to donate Ins, the link is here! He hopes to give you incredible content whether it’d be interviews, behind-the-scenes or just ins fooling around with pros! .

oops. bummer

you don't need 1k euros to build a pc that streams lmfao

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hahah

I didn't even know mexico had McDonalds.

¿El Mac Donáldos siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii muchoooooo?

They don't. They're over here working.

Ca puto de chulo :X

for 400 euros i got a i5 2500k+P8P67Evo+8GB DDR+GTX660+HYPER 212 Cooler + Hummer 600w Font

so wtih 600 extra i guess id throw in 2 double 144hz monitors.

cheers

rofl

First items: a desk and a chair.

lol

Is he not part of zootlive the professional shoutstreaming business?

I want be shoutstreamer!

You shud apply on der popula forums

Not since a few months after last QuakeCon.

Why?

That I don't know. :)

ghastly zootening

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i'll donate if he makes it a silent stream. please dont commentate or analyse anything.

but has the free time to stream some hours every day

and

and having realized that I'm going to have a lot of free time on my hands

you could use those free hours to... you know, work to be able to afford a pro key, or a trip to quakecon or a new pc...

Do you think jobs are growing on trees?!

Trees need to be chopped, so I guess they do.

not advocating for donations or anything, but jobs in Portugal are hard to find man

One of my good friends is Portuguese, and you're absolutely right about the economic situation there. It sucks, I personally have no problem with anyone donating. I just found the phrase "doesn't grow on trees….." funny, since it's usually true.:)

Some of this, then, huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siAbiwPyccg

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I read that as 85% (17 in 20) of the population being able to land a job.

Also actual data says things aren't thaaat bad there (for those that don't rely on pity), http://www.tradingeconomics.com/portugal/unemployment-rate

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Even with 100% html enabled on post, custom characters dont show up (I wasn't really expecting them either).

Given the "full pizdec" feel of the thread... I'd rather not delete though. :ASDF

gl ins with buy of pc!

i can lend my ati rage pro 128

stillt with that open case with the power supply out :D

lol

ins Ärschl

not a scam

right?

Still, for people who don't know how this shit works, here is a rough explanation:

Facebook Fraud on Veritasium channel (cool channel in general):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVfHeWTKjag

oh what, who would have thought a 3125th rate campaign video composed of only buzzwords promising results or money back guaranteed is fraudulent!! :(

1.000.000 = 1.000 = 1 member, exactly 1 member. trust me, I have done maths.

I think there is more than one million now. Should have calculated :)

http://www.gofundme.com/l7girc

As absurd as funding ins.

fucking America man.

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so, apart from the valid observations about you getting any kind of job for a month to buy new pc parts (and not delivering on the promised quakecon content), you could :

A. buy used parts (see stuntz's post)
B. buy a capture card
C. upgrade your current rig with used parts and buy a capture card or a nvidia graphic card with an encoding chip to use shadowplay (so from the gtx 660 and upwards, you will probably have to change your psu, though)

no way a pc to stream cs:go and ql is going to cost you 1k. just get the money people are throwing at you and take the right course of action

the 2 most powerful cpu's you can plug on your motherboard : i7 870 and i5 760, probably between 80 (for the i5) and 140€ (for the i7)
graphic cards more powerful than the one you have now : anything sold in the last 4 years, a 560ti or hd5850 would cost your something like 50-60€
psu : anything from a brand (antec, seasonic, corsair, you get it) in the 400-600w range, say 45-60€

I actually think you'd have more success asking for used pc parts and build a new rig. I have a hd4850 lying around, I'll never be able to sell that shit, for example
too bad you're only known in a community playing a game that can be ran on an 8 y.o computer, it could work

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hey guys, wanna donate for my pc?

i probably won't play quake on it, but who cares, it's not like you play it anymore as well.

and i won't stream cause my internet is shit, but on the other hand it's not like you'd watch my fucking stream.

all that aside, i have no money, i'm a student with low chances to land a job soon, but if i'd even land it any time soon i'd probably spend my money on cigs, booze etc.

feel free to chip in, imsg me for my paypal.

Now this is a cause people should support. Do you promise to spend the money on meth as well?

I promise to spend it. The fuck u care what I'm gonna spend it on?

For what it's worth, I have to say you guys are being very unfair to Ins. This whole thing was my idea and I did it with good intention, never crossed my mind that people would have this reaction. Ins was actually very reluctant about allowing me to do this campaign, and I did have to insist a lot for him to agree to it.

I was obviously wrong to think that people would see it as I do and take it seriously. :|

Desculpa, Bruno.

he casted with zoot almost every day of the week for like forever, didnt he get any money doing that? if he wanted to he could maybe spend some of that money on new computer parts

Who would he get money from for casting with 400 viewers?

wasnt it upwards of a 1000 a lot of the time? they were casting for like 2 years together, i just imagine there must have been some revenue

I'm sure ins earned some amount of money at some point in his life, I'm not sure why you would think that money is available to purchase a pc atm.

i honestly dont. i have even heard ins say that there was no money from casting with zoot, i just wanna make zoots super legitimate business look like shit \:DDDD/

Pocket change for burgers.

I know that if he had the means to upgrade his computer on his own, without having to ask for anybody's help, he'd do it. The thing is his current setup is just too old.

If he got any money from casting with Zoot, I really don't know.

so strange doe

I thought he had four limbs, 25 years of education and many possessions to sell. Sorry.

I think part of the problem here is the attempt at humor on some (all) of the indiegogo perks, it really doesn't look good when you're asking for donations... but maybe that's just me though. In all seriousness however, if ins will actually provide regular QuakeLive content then I think it's a cool initiative considering it was his commentary in the few times I have watched Quake in recent years that I enjoyed. I'd watch his tournament coverage, but he might need to find a co-commentator.

I did try to come up with things that people would see value in. Especially in the ranges that I thought most people would donate. But you are probably right, maybe I did went too far with the humor.

man, those goals are shit, I could do more money only offering my cat photos

They are top notch!

we're on esr, home of misunterstanding and cheap one liners
are you really surprised ?

especially when the campaign -albeit a nice gesture on your part- has been so lazily orchestrated and people do have some fair points.

I see this and I feel like there's been NO effort whatsoever put into it, no ideas, no personality. If I'm your regular internet dude giving some money here and there for good quake causes, I don't want to part with it on this, why ? What am I getting for it ? Something fazz, fist and others are doing for fun and for free ? For a guy who came back from quakecon and basically dropped the game and went to play cs:go ? (for motives we might not know but unfortunately, that's on him and looks bad)

Does that indiegogo (that name is really, REALLY shit btw, I don't know how that website is still around) page makes me think "yeah ins is alright, I could watch him here and there fucking around on QL during my precious free time at 2 a.m", NO, no it doesn't
The little snippet we got here is already better, at least now he's talking to me, random guy with some money to spend, but it's not on there. I want ins to talk to me, to tell me he taught a blind child of his village to hit 40% lg, that he helps old ladies to cross the road before he robs them

I want him to tell me "yeah for a few bucks you can play with or against me in the game of your choice as long as I have it" (I know there's something close to this in the different perks but it's only a quick job about quake demos and whatnot... bleh), do I want to watch anhedonique beat him in pony race III ? No ! Well... yeah, maybe for a couple of minutes. People might want that, to see their almost favorite former color caster in an awkward situation.

How about being captain of a team and defying subs of the team fazz or funnyb (it appears the hilarious hare doesn't have a partnership, not that he needs it with all those skins and weapons from rigged cs:go matches, he can pick people who donated to his channel), entry fee is 5 bucks, like a twitch sub but you don't have a stream yet, so make do with it.

You could make up for that lack of content with interviews, you have the contacts, you've seen most players viewers want to hear about on LAN. Get to work, they vote with their money, like 35€ to a cypher interview (maybe for once we'd get the real, relaxed cypher and not the formal "thanks to my sponsor" pro player) beat the 20€ to interview heartless (donated by heartless, nice try but we already know everything about the abyssus 2014, thanks). I'd add something like "10 bucks to get a question live", but we're on internet and I'm not sure the world is ready to know if dem0n shaves his pubes or not.

You gotta earn that money, moderately young luke streetwalker.


Now, to clear things up, I know he hasn't asked for anything. People came to him, offered him money without asking for sexual favors, the indi... fuck it, fuck them, the crowd funding page is actually an honest idea, because instead of taking the money and saying "sorry, don't have enough to build a computer, lol cya", if there's not enough, people get their donations back.

BUT, 1000€ is too much. Just psychologically, it feels too much, you should have aimed lower AND you should have contacted those people willing to give money so they'd pledge BEFORE making this thread, if I click and see "275€ out of 500" I feel more inclined, it seems realistic. Right now, it's like the reflex kickstarter and is bound to produce the same results.

tl;dr : fuck indiegogo, stupid name

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

/< eden

Looking at the picture of the campaign page, he seems to own a Les Paul style guitar. He could pawn it, make money casting, then get it back.

I'll give you 10 bucks if you cast me some bed night stories, before I go to sleep, for 2 weeks

where's that 'follow your dreams' gif when you need it, nsx plz?

Trivium is garbage

Music is subjective so your statement is garbage.

People like you will smear shit all over your sandwiches, eat it and tell me same stuff.

[ x ] crosseyed
[   ] not crosseyed

I have never heard Trivium. I prefer black sabbath and some music similar to obituary and candlemass. I also like classic rock. I wrote this because I don't know how to respond to your silliness.

Music has its own Hitlers!

I prefer Rachmaninov. *shrugs*

music isn't 100% subjective, newb. You wouldn't say something so stupid about movies, so why music.

Movies are subjective too

So there's no movie that is objectively terrible?

Well a movie is something created to appeal to an audience. Its up to the audience if they like it.

You could say a movie has shitty effects, shitty story, shitty acting and the rest of it and you could be right, but its still up to the audience to decide if they like it and if someone did like it their opinion would be completely valid.

You cant have correct taste. It isnt like measuring speed or weight where there is an objectively correct answer.

but if someone really enjoys it then thats what matters.

That's taste. Taste can be good, bad, or even weird, but it doesn't mean you can't enjoy a bad movie.

Rating movies isn't 100% objective, so it is not like speed (weight depends on the planet), but saying it's subjective is implying our cultural norms and ideas are nothing just because they're murky.

Taste cant objectively be good or bad, thats the thing. Your taste is comprised of your subjective opinions.

2+2=4. That isnt up for discussion and isnt an opinion.

Riddick being the best fucking film series of all time isnt an objective fact (as much as I'd like it to be) its a subjective opinion.

Some people like to say "music is subjective, but x band really is objectively bad" but of course that isnt true. Same for movies, same for paintings, same for soup, same for photographs, same for video games, same for lots of shit.

You could say a movie performed badly financially and be factually correct or incorrect, but that wouldnt make it a bad movie because that part of the discussion is down to taste.

Its annoying because I'd like to say loads of shit is objectively bad like LoL and mushrooms and stupid modern art shit and the movie "necromentia" but technically I cant fault the people that really enjoy those things because their opinions are equally as valid as my own even if I think they are fucking stupid.

Taste is separate. Their opinions are equally valid for enjoying it, they're not equally valid for judging it good or bad. It's not good or bad based on whether you like it. It's good or bad based on real criteria which there's no 1 set of, but which are relevant all the same. That makes them objective, but only to some extent.

With modern painting, don't you think that your taste isn't developed ? There's obviously things to appreciate in it that you or I don't know, so why presume it's bad. We just don't know.

It's not good or bad based on whether you like it.

Thats exactly what its based on. They are judged by viewers based on how much they like it.

With modern painting, don't you think that your taste isn't developed ? There's obviously things to appreciate in it that you or I don't know, so why presume it's bad. We just don't know.

I'm not presuming its bad, my opinion of it is that its bad. Thats what I mean, there is no correct answer as to whether its good or bad, its up to the person judging it.

You can claim the artist had great skill and be objectively correct about that, but it wouldnt necessarily make the painting good. Same way a very talented guitarist could still create a boring song. You could objectively state the guitarist is insanely talented, but what you think of the song is subjective.

Their skill shows, in some cases, in very predictable ways. If a painting is much like a photo, that makes it's objectively good. Anyone with an eye could see that. Not all good paintings will be like that obviously, but I don't think anyone would argue that being able to paint a complicated painting with skill and realism isn't, at least in the single measure, good art.

If a painting is photorealistic then the artist is objectively very talented. But how good the painting is is up to the viewer.

I think youre getting mixed up with the word "good". I dont mean its good or not good in terms of how skillfully it has been crafted, but good in terms of how much it appeals to the viewer.

"Good" as in how much they like it not "Good" as in how talented it is.

Just like the song example I mentioned earlier. A song could have the most complex guitar in the world in it, but still be considered a shit song. Its objectively talented, but all opinions about how appealing it is are subjective.

If a painting is photorealistic then the artist is objectively very talented. But how good the painting is is up to the viewer.

It's not up to the viewer. It's good in that measure. It may be the only measure it's good at, but put any viewer, and he will confirm that the painting is good in that measure. It's irrelevant whether the viewer enjoys it or not, it's good in the measure regardless.

A song could have the most complex guitar in the world in it, but still be considered a shit song.

That'd be because the song is bad due to bad songwriting, composition or whatever else. Other criteria for how good a song is, complex guitar being just one.

It's not up to the viewer. It's good in that measure. It may be the only measure it's good at, but put any viewer, and he will confirm that the painting is good in that measure. It's irrelevant whether the viewer enjoys it or not, it's good in the measure regardless.

Sure anyone would say its good in terms of how talented it is. Thats the part I'm saying you can be objective about. The part you cant be objective about is how appealing it is. How appealing it is is up to the viewer and is subjective.

But I'm disjoining the word good from appealing, and saying that measures relevant to how good it is can be measured. How photorealistic a painting is. How good the guitars are, how complex the composition is, how original the song is. If key elements are good, then the song or painting is good, irrelevant on whether it's appealing to you. Don't you agree that enough of these elements are objective enough?

How good the guitars are, how complex the composition is, how original the song is. If key elements are good, then the song or painting is good, irrelevant on whether it's appealing to you.

No thats not the case. A song can have everything you just said and someone could still dislike it completely validly. Thats what I'm tying to get across to you.

No matter how many things the song or film has about it that are objectively and quantifiably positive, it still doesnt make the product "good". Regardless of absolutely every factor you could possibly think of, how good something like a film or song is, is down to the viewer or listeners opinion and there is no incorrect opinion.

Its SUBJECTIVE for that reason, because its up to the consumer of the song.

There is no correct answer to the question "is riddick a good movie". I would answer yes, some others would answer no, neither of us would be correct or incorrect, its down to opinion. I dont understand why you think it isnt.

Regardless of absolutely every factor you could possibly think of, how good something like a film or song is, is down to the viewer or listeners opinion and there is no incorrect opinion.

So you're disconnecting the components from the whole? How? Why is it that pop songs keep having the same things in them and they still appeal to the masses again and again, hardly changing? Doesn't that connect the components with the whole?

You're talking like the consumer is some black box that you can't guess anything about. Well if he's average, he'll like pop songs. If he doesn't, last fm will be able to determine what type of chorus or rhiffs he likes and serve him content he'll like. This is down to the components.

It feels like youre drifting away from the point now. I dont understand what these questions have to do with it.

I never said you couldnt guess anything about the consumer. Whether you can or cant has nothing to do with this discussion.

He's saying that bad movie is bad because of bad actors but you can like this movie and say it's good but by saying good you don't mean actors played well and the story was well written you say good because you liked a bad movie.
Mortal Kombat is a bad movie but I really like it. It's really good at being bad.

But it all doesn't matter because...

TRIVUM SUCKS BIG COCK

I get what he is trying to say but its not correct.

People can like bad movies for other reasons than liking it for being laughably bad. The whole point of what I'm saying is that each individual watcher of the movie can decide if they like it, and none of their opinions will ever be incorrect.

If someone came out of Mortal Kombat saying "I really loved it and I thought the story was great" they arent wrong. You may disagree but they have decided they thought it was a genuinely good movie and their opnion is equally as valid as yours.

Thats why its subjective. Because there is no factual answer as to whether its good or not. Only the individual opinions of everyone who saw it.

You can separate these two things to some extend.
Simply as that.
You can enjoy 50 shades of gray and there is nothing wrong with it (pro tip: it is wrong though - because I say so!).
But this book is halfassed twightligh fanfiction. It's bad.
You can enjoy it and say it's good, no problem.
People made certain rules. How to write a good book. How to make a good movie.
These rules aren't strict it's all bullshit and they are definitely not important for someone who just likes/dislikes things.
But it creates this little platform on which you can stand and say st. anger wasn't very good album.

All I want to say is WMO has shitty buttons and TRIVIUM sucks ballz.

They arent rules, they are collective opinions about the medium. Those rules are also subjective but they dont seem that way because so many people subscribe to them.

Basically, there is no factual answer to "is hot rod a good film". There is a factual answer to "did hot rod perform well in cinemas". Thats my point.

"is hot rod a good film" = up to the viewer. completely subjective

"did hot rod perform well in cinemas" = quantifiable and based on objective information

"is hot rod a good film" = up to the viewer. completely subjective

"did hot rod perform well in cinemas" = quantifiable and based on objective information

Mix it a bit, add spoon of flamethrower and you will have the reason why not_discussing_about_tastes_rule is for people who try too much to be serious and nice.

In Quake vs UT thread I want some substance not "these games are totally different so comparing is not what you should do, please enjoy these games for what they are"
Fucking bullshit, man.

And (by the way!) Trivium is like COD compared to Quake.

Believe it or not I am actually with you there. There is no factually correct answer to the question "which is better, quake or UT" but I would still argue for fucking ages to defend quake becasue its my preference. Its not the correct preference but its my one and I would come up with all my reasons as to why its better than UT.

Just because its subjective doesnt mean you cant argue about them.

And that brings us to the point where Trivium is bunch of wannabie faggots!

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I'm trying to show you that there is some universality in this topic, which means there's some objectivity.

Some sounds are pleasant, or happy or sad to babies which have no societal clues.

Some views are considered universally pleasant, like a sunset, so for normal human beings it becomes an objective truth.

Sometimes people will convince other people that an artist is good or bad via rational discourse.
Examples of this range from "Look, he just repeats this part" to complex musical theory reasoning. Whichever it is, it means understanding and knowledge impacts taste, and ability to rate art.

What I'm trying to do here is to show that this problem isn't so black and white. Philosophers have wrestled with the problem of art being both subjective and objective, but it obviously has properties of both, so why hide one and loudly proclaim the other?

so for normal human beings it becomes an objective truth

If you're gonna say that something is subjectively objective (it depends on the subject being a normal human being), you better define your subject very well (mostly avoiding any circular logic) or such a statement will sound quite stupid.

Not being in range for many mental illness, and not having serious physical sickness? It'd be hard to find a case where a healthy man dislikes a sunset.

A long time ago someone made a song called silence. As you may guess its 15min of silence. It was quite a success. Is that song good? Well if you like the idea you will say yes it is absolutely revolutionary against all conventions ...blabla. if you dont like it you will say it's the most lazy thing you ever heard and its a fucking joke.

Bottim line is that art is only what you consider art.

There are philosophical definitions that are a little more sophisticated than that, but I understand why the public tends to just go with "it's whatever you make of it". Quite convenient.

I did not attempt to define art but thx for telling me i guess. It's just not possible to find objective criteria for art. i tried your approach too but it does not work. The technique, the effort invested etc. It doesn't matter in the slightest. Because art is more than that. More than technique, effort and all the other objective criteria you might come up with. In fact, breaking the rules has been and will be an important part of art. It might be a matter of seconds an artist gets the idea to ram a pencil through a piece of paper and bam! Art was made.

Another thought: many artists were not popular in their lifetime because society did not recognize their works as 'good' art. Only decades after they died their brillancy was discovered. This shows that the idea of 'good' art is dynamic and depends of the time the recipient lives in.

So tell me what you think of 'silence', is it a 'good' song?

Originality and response to the art scene around the artist is a factor in art, same as others. Obviously, the sum isn't equal to the parts, but it's predicted by them to some extent.

The fact that good art can be discovered, discussed into trash or into supremacy sorta supports art being some part objective, otherwise rationality wouldn't come into it.

As for silence, it think it mostly depends on which of the definition type of art you choose. Art can be something meant to be shown to be people and to have intrinsic value from that. By that account, silence is a good song. It could only be done once and it had it's effect, so it's original and it responds to other art. Another type of definition will go for defining beauty, and tying art into this perrenial beauty and perfection idea. By that definition, silence is trash.
Since I admit that both of these definitions are imperfect, I will generously go for a happy medium and call any song good in one of these definitions a good song.

So if an artist literally shits on a huge sheet its good art cuz it's original and responds to the other art?

I understand your points and they hold in many cases. I just don't think you can make sure that there are no exceptions to it.

anyway this is going in circles. Guess we have to agree to disagree.

So if an artist literally shits on a huge sheet its good art cuz it's original and responds to the other art?

It'd have to be a really witty answer to something for some reason to overcome the bad appearance and smell.

Good exceptions to what? I said that there are multiple definitions for art and none of them rings 100% true, so I'm not saying any of them don't have exceptions.

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Only to an extent though, there's 'music' out there that truly is garbage.

lmao

Quality music.

That's so myspace

Seriously, my ultrabook can stream QL at 60 fps using Quick Sync with like 10% CPU usage.

QLRanks TV was using an ultra-low-power CPU with Quick Sync encoding as well [source]. You don't need as expensive CPU as they got, actually all you need is a €100 i3 with the HD4400 or whatever.

Hey, I actually have a spare brand new motherboard (Gigabyte Z87-DS3H) I could send you if you cover shipping costs (catch is: you're the one searching for shipping options). I promise the PSU on the picture will work with it.

So you need memory for it, let's add €50.

Which means you spend like €170 on brand new hardware and have a PC capable of streaming QL 24/7.

And he needs €1000 for some reason.

but he won't be able to play at 120+fps on HD4400

Ins could buy a better graphics card by selling the parts that are going to be replaced anyway.

Can you even buy a burger for that?

On most duel maps that card will do 125 fps while streaming, and I'm talking streaming with a better config than ins uses.

I agree with you... But an i3 isnt exactly future proof. What if he wants to stream Reflex in the near future, or any other game that doesnt look like QL's pacman gfx :d

Im not sure what kind of streaming tools (OBS?) can make use of extra threads the i7 has to offer, or if an overclocked i5 will do the trick. For memory 2x4gb is the bare minimum nowadays, and a reasonably fast gfx card with 3-4gb of memory on board that would last for a few years.

It can be done cheaper, but then he'd be upgrading much sooner and in the end spend more $$$ I think.

Can sell this PC.
CORE™ XENON E5-2699 V3 HT 36X 3600MHZ TURBO / GEFORCE TITAN Z 12GB-768BIT-7000MHZ / 192GB DDR4-2100MHZ XYPERX / SSD 800GB 2GB/S / SSD 400GB 1TB/SEK / 30TB SATA3 / BLU RAY RW / 1500W / COOLER MASTER COSMO II / USB3.0+SATA3.0 / THX 7.1

15'000 Eur and it's good to go/

without a motherboard it's not a PC

Less cheeseburgers = More savings = New pc?

I think I've got the perfect algorithm, on a side note, I love INS and his casting/play style and I'll donate yo!

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No intentions to stream ql anytime soon but I'm also poor and need some financial assistance since my PC broke down.

I'll write more sappy borderline erotic stories in my journal and secretly include your name in it, your name will also be added in future major news posts on one of the biggest esport gaming websites.

PayPal : anhedonic@windowslive.com

Donate today for a better tomorrow - Because jerking off to anime just doesn't cum cheap.

anhedonic - that's a sad email name :(

Anhedonic is a very sad person.

You're getting around to this all wrong.

If you want people to believe you're committed and not just looking to take advantage of some people's gullibility, have ins sign a contract with some entity (like ProT sole proprietorship or whatever the appropriate legal person would be in Portugal ) to guarantee 15 hours a week of Quake-related content till the end of 2015 and if he comes up short, you would be liable for a sum of money agreed upon in the contract and could pay back the dissatisfied donators. Obviously that would involve you taking over the risk of ins cocking up, but if you guys are buddies or whatever, I'm pretty sure you can find a solution that would satisfy both of you, while the donators who are total strangers have a recourse plan.

I'm not saying ins is looking for a cheap handout but some people might think that and there are better ways to put that to rest than "I promise guise!".

edit: There probably will occur a taxable event with my scenario but you would get a VAT write-off on the computer parts to balance things out

"if he comes up short"
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if it comes up short

You realize that would basically be employment paid with a single paycheck of €1000? I don't know the rules in Portugal but that contract would probably have to respect some kind of minimum wage... and you won't get many hours of streaming out of €1000.

Not employment but rather performance of a service. Minimum wage doesn't apply there. If you have someone paint your house, you don't employ him. It's more akin to buying a pack of Cheetos actually. No price floor on that thankfully.

Yeah like that quakecon content.. :D

which one of you fucks donated in my name?

it's alright esdf, we all know you felt bad about what you said.

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Some people here have raised some valid points. It would be nice if ins came back to zLive on occasion and co-casted with some of us, I am sure he would be more than welcome.

I too miss the zoot and ins days. Be that as it may I'll donate €1 because I just moved house and am poor, but I like to help anyone who is serious about streaming and promoting quake. I already sub to fazz's and really enjoy the content there.

also, lol, who bought the guitar solo?

i'd rather sponsor zhu to stream, at least it'd be fun =)

i would if i got unbanned

You don't care for Quake any more.

Let's help insan3 !! He needs our help guys

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Yeah, seems like a cheap ploy to get a free rig to run CSGO at 200+ fps.

I love all these people who magically need to stream everything, why not make some commentaries, highlights, guides, tutorials, etc...? It can be in text, have a few images, etc. Run a few demos, record your commentary on top, upload to youtube.... Oh because you can't be arsed to anything other than turn your PC on, show your face, and act as if it's "work." It's like when a kid will try to convince his parents how this super new expensive laptop will help him study better, and get better grades. Nice try.

Man, I can't believe how much money some of these career "youtubers" make. Shit has gotten out of hand imo.

There's no reliable source on how much they make, but for many of them it's a full time job. It's not easy to constantly come up with new content in what is already a small niche (most popular YT channels are either a niche like pranks, comedy, "dares", cartoons, let's plays, etc, or some variation of reality TV with vlogging and such). Is it out of hand because millions of people watch their videos and gets Youtube ad traffic? What's out of hand about a functioning supply / demand based market?

Yeah exactly, if you're making videos that get several million views guaranteed, you deserve a lot of money. A lot of these guys command audiences well beyond that of mainstream television, they deserve to be paid in line with that.

It's not easy to jump on every bandwagon and play new "alpha stage that will never get beyond that point" games and act like you care about it :)
As long as they don't play proper TDM I don't think they deserve all that money.

Exactly my thoughts!

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rip in piñata

bump

ins was a great caster tbh, had good insight to duel and was actually funny and entertaining

such a shame his casting career was so short-lived

I see what you did there.

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