interesting idea

tdm tdm tdm tdm tdm

well.... fuck

hah, that grandmaster duel thing isn't even a proper duel tournament. So its purely a team event this year.

now you don't have an excuse for not going!

for in game stuff anyway...

Huh? This whole thing very much makes me want to not go.

thought you liked team stuff and hated duel? thats why I said it!

I also like making my travel money back. ;)

you will be awesome in tdm and pretty sure can be a beast in ctf as well if you decide to focus on them, and you would be one of the few players in it who can excel in both!

You might give up on the 8k for duel but still leaves a nice chance for the rest of the money?

CTF is pretty much a guaranteed loss no matter what with the american ctf teams. Duel is probably a guaranteed loss unless i got cypher or evil on the team (who might still possibly lose to rapha).

And with either of them on the team tdm might become troublesome as well. So since only the winning team gets any money my odds of making more than $0 there are pretty slim imho. ;)

Team to win TDM gets $8000, no?

And the second place gets exactly nothing. I don't like that risk/reward ratio (even less when a second euro team attends... say 102).

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its:
$8k 1st TDM
$8k 1st CTF
$8k 1st Duel

$8k extra for most points overall

$8k for winner of a final bo5 game between the best 2 duel players from the above Duel tourney

second places get nothing in any of the tourneys

That prize distribution makes this thing even weirder (read: badly organized). Both duel finals necessarily have the same players.

Not "necessarily."

The duel portion of the Tri-Master tourney doesn't have a "finals" since it uses a swiss tourney format. The duel competition can be interpreted as sort of a group stage of 16 where the top 2 advance to a one round playoff (the finals).

Both duel finals necessarily have the same players.

Why? The two teams in the Duel TriMasters final mustn't be the same as the two TriMaster point leading teams. imho

"In the Duel Stage at the beginning of each of their Duel Division matches, each team will declare one of their Team Players as the dueler representing their team."

"Following the Triathlon Tournament, the top two individual duelers selected by their team will then face off to claim an additional $8,000 and the title of Grand Master Champion."

yeah, thanks, I can read :)

That doesn't answer it.
The final of your first paragraph will be the 2 best duelers of any 2 teams.
The on stage duel final (your 2nd paragraph) will be the 2 duelers of the point leading teams.

That is ofc when the duel stage is a normal bracket.

Following the completion of the Swiss Triathlon Tournament, the top two ranked teams from the Duel
Stage will be selected to compete in a best of five (Bo5) match. Each qualifying team will nominate one
player from their team to compete in the Grand Master Duel Finals. The victor of the final will claim
$8,000 individually.

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"second places get nothing in any of the tourneys"

Eurokiller.

if it is distributed the way you do then ofc that's a deal breaker. If they fix it then I say you have a good chance to get your money back!

So if this is already decided, why are they waiting with announcement? Don't want to break their last sec annoucement record, wtf id?

"not allowed to call any timeouts for tactical reasons"

XD

what about "my mouse is not responding", is that a tactical reason? :o

Thank god it's leaked, now Euros have time to book their flights and to practice.

LETS GO BABY, LAST BIG JIZZFEST FOR QUAKE, I'M READY AS FUCK

I like this idea, should be good.
Only problem is we won't be able to see it all.

This shit happens all the time.

What I would like is to have multiple streamers at the tournament. They'd cut all the games after streaming them, then put them together back to back in 1 very long stream.

Or they'd get the demos and cast them afterwards.

So every match is played, casted and in a VOD in proper order for people to watch.

mate, the problem is that we won't see it AT ALL, well, basically.
every fucking time they got major problems showing at least the duel competition properly, now they'll have to squish the whole 3 (even 4, counting grand-master-duels) tournies into the same amount of time and human resources!

And ofc - no one is going to put up at least a vod rec for games missing on-stream, because qc orgs barely giving a single fuck for inet viewers

When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

Disrepute looked at them and said, "With Duel this is impossible, but with Team Modes all things are possible."

http://www.esreality.com/post/2704045/can-we-...ke-failed/

praise him and thou shalt be forgiven

mhe, why this "mess", just do the normal tdm and che classic duel master...

Searching for clan

LEL

Searching for quakecon expendables trip movie

I too am still awaiting for the promised expendables trip movie they promised to their donators. Poor promise.

Won't be donating any more expendables.

Who wants to team up with the winners?!

while it's cool to see tdm and ctf as well as duel, this whole format is absolutely awful and aside from delaying tox's matches last year there was precisely nothing wrong with any previous format quakecon had used.

since id haven't officially announced this themselves yet, let's just hope the monstrosity i'm reading on that pdf doesn't become a reality.

this whole format is absolutely awful

It HAS to be official then as ID are now famous for absolutely awful

1D?

Certainly not A+

No, Quakecon tournaments have always been awful.

it will be funny if the most succesful ctf / tdm tournament quakecon ever had was because that they had an info leak instead of the usual "4 weeks before event announcement of tourneys"

You know what, Cypha?

Take a clan.

That's the beauty of it: this format very much favors 'murican and russian duelers, both that tend to at least play one team based gametype, over cypher who is fucked now since he only plays duel.

Since the duelers are chosen from the winning team this guarantees an epic final, such as rapha-dahang (should be closer than a 3-0 stomp), cooller-pavel (both duelers that have 0 chances of getting into a quakecon final) or noctis-deus (the "non duelers" that understood the format is 100% about teams and not about individual players). Unfair indeed, but epic nonetheless.

The "Grand Master Duel Finals" are 1 player per team from the top2 duel teams, so the players are not from the same team.

I honestly don't get that final since from what i understood it'll just be a repeat from the previous Tri-Master Duel tourney.


Another thing i don't get is why the duel part of the competition isn't like ESWC 2004 where 1 player plays 1 map. Because with the rules right now its just gonna be 1 designated player from each team playing the whole duel tourney (leaving out the other 75% of the players to never touch duel) since more than likely every team has a best duel player.

ESWC2004 was win, sadly that format did not get used anywhere else.

I just read the pdf. I get it now.

The OP should have included this part of the rules:
"In the Duel Stage at the beginning of each of their Duel Division matches, each team will declare one of their Team Players as the dueler representing their team."

I thought it was team duel, like summing up the points or something, based on the phrase "the top two individual duelers selected by their team". However there's only one dueler in each team to begin with, so there's no selection. As you said the duel-part of the triathlon will be repeated in the duel-only grand final.

This complicated and weird system greatly benefits the 'muricans, whether purposely or not. It's clear that the muricans will win ctf and euros in tdm, so duel is the decider. With the duel part consisting of only one member of the team instead of all four playing, it so happens that both rapha and dahang are really good at ctf, while cypher and evil (the two top euro duelers) aren't in tdm and no euro tdm player can beat both rapha and dahang in duel. The organizer (syncerror) knows that.

With those rules the sole option I can see for your team is recruiting cypher, so he wins the duel part (1 out of 3 competitions), carry him in TDM 3v4 and win 2 to 3. One russian will do the same with evil. Thing is that disadvantage in TDM can lead to a loss in that gametype, against a euro team consisting of four tdmers, that in turn don't stand a chance in duel.

Had the duel part consisted of all four players -like it should have been since this is a team tournament- then euros could have stood a chance.

In your case I'd only compete if you get cypher in your team, otherwise there's no point really. Same goes to the other euros that wanted to attend with the intent to compete for first place, because the tournament is practically tailor made for rapha or dahang to win.

Also yes the second duel final makes no sense whatsoever from a competitive point of view. All the prize pool and attention should have went into the triathlon. The only reason I could fathom is that syncerror was told to have one tournament at the main stage (not zero not two), so the lazy way out was the same used last year which is repeating the grand final.

So yeah, what you wrote.

solution: ICE CLIMBERS!


taken he lost to dahang only because he was too tired. GG!

"taken he lost to dahang only because he was too tired."

rofl

Tox rekt Rapha so bad, Rapha is no longer active.

A dead game idd.

Besides rapha played months after quakecon, last rekt on his list was cooller.

From what I heard he plays lol now, but he might return for quakecon. who knows?

cypher dont care

Orly? With 16 000 $ as a possible outcome? It's, liek, a YEARS salary in CIS countries in a nowadays economical circumstances.

fyi: 10 000 $ if he wins both duel things

I made my math as exodus below did.
"There are prizes for every seperate mode, meaning people will be motivated to play all of them to their best.

1. CTF Division Victors: $8,000
2. TDM Division Victors: $8,000
3. Duel Division Victors: $8,000
4. Tri-Master Champions: $8,000

The Stage Final will still be there and will be a proper bo5.

5. Duel Grand Master: $8,000"

So it's 2000x4 times plus 8000 if I'm not missing something.

Yeah if he wins CTF and TDM as well then its 16k, true ;)

Yeah, if)
But we have to pretend to be idealists a bit, otherwise we'll all turn into army of dkt's quickly enough.

baited.

"cypher dont care" was the name of cyphers ctf team at quakecon 2014

rofl, nice.

take a clan (c) cypher

Looks like it's an oops since the link to the rules is removed, the actual pdf is still up though and I've got it downloaded.

I want to say I think it would be a great setup for the competition.

Why? Besides showing all team modes with their own schedule will give every fan a chance to see their prefered mode. Duel isn't so very stretched out that you get tired of it after watching it for hours and hours.

There are prizes for every seperate mode, meaning people will be motivated to play all of them to their best.

1. CTF Division Victors: $8,000
2. TDM Division Victors: $8,000
3. Duel Division Victors: $8,000
4. Tri-Master Champions: $8,000

The Stage Final will still be there and will be a proper bo5.

5. Duel Grand Master: $8,000

So lots of variety truely showing the best of what Quake has to offer, a competition within a competition with the points earned per gamemode.

Propably the only change i would make is the Grand final on stage.
1 map TDM
1 map CTF
and a bo3 Duel to decide.

So you actually get to see the best teams, not just the 2 duellers from those teams.

Besides showing all team modes with their own schedule

Is there any information about the schedule, yet?

If the past few QuakeCons are any indication, where we saw like 6 out of 50 duel matches on stream, I would expect the stream to show roughly 1 TDM and 1 CTF match.

Sounds interesting, wish I could go!

I take it the new and old [id] Quake Guard sat a table, people like Tim Willits, and Tim was like,
Tim: hey so kids at a camp go through hoops and shit and then play ball and it's fun
Bethesda: we need to innovate, this is 2015 and we need to spice up this 20 year game.
Tim: right, so how about mix this up, and by mix things up, I mean literally make everyone play all mods at the same time
Bethesda: uh, why hasn't anyone done this before?
Tim: oh yeah this will be loads of fun
Bethesda: maybe we can also add some trivia questions and case contest as a QUALIFIER for the tournament????
SyncError: wow, you guys are so brilliant.
Tim: no, we need to have the trivia and t-shirt throwing all happening on Sunday night until people can barely stand, right before the grand finals

Majored, because fun

So if cooller and pavel intend to play tdm together only one will br able to play duel. Shit shit format

If they manage to pull off ctf. which I doubt.

this really fucks up duel. alot of duelers wont be able to play duel.. lame muricans

very strange tourney..... i dont know if evil or cypher wanna go after that.

why give america player benefit. no point in euro player go to this event like always. america player will win.

i only care doom announcement

but if u think about it euros can make 1 duel-team that could be good in ctf:
cypher def flag ( best defensive game and best rockets)
k1llsen (cuz hes fast and has awesome rail) attacker
evil somewhere in mid (he's also fast, can do alot of damage with anything)
and fazz in mid or attack (cuz he's good at tdm and has good rail)

down side of this is that u have cypher and evil same team, so only one can duel, which surely neither would accept

anyway, it's costly, so many euros wont go
evil, cypher, fazz will go, but the rest.... cooller and pavel if 102 sends them... those 2 are good in tdm, but not ctf... bah it's the euros' fault to begin with, not knowing tdm and ctf and duel like rapha and dahang

inb4 fazz wins everything by default because nobody else shows up

This looks p cool.

wtf cypher and evil are gonna do?

nice, i wish this was back in the days i love both tdm and ctf and im shiteee in duel :(

liek it ever stopped you from attending.

draven for quakecon pls!

:)

Play, train, go on vacation there, win, profit

inb4 new ruleset settings announcement

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interesting but puts too much effort and attention on tdm and ctf which are insanely boring to watch

prefer the old format by FAR

tdm isn't boring to watch. especially when commented properly.

"In the Duel Stage at the beginning of each of their Duel Division matches, each team will declare one of their Team Players as the dueler representing their team "


Is this the only way this can be done? What if rapha and I want to team together....

Would be more fun if it was a bo3 and you sit one player out.

Luxury Problem?

:)


Oh, please talk to Shane, he must start playing again.

cooller and pavel secretly read answers to this.

If rapha and you want to team together, then you have to choose who of you will represent your team for duels. It pretty clearly follows from the rules you cited.

what rapha hasn't retired yet??



WIN

If one person is taking all the duel money anyways, then why not allow TWO players from each team to face each other to enter the actual duel tourney.

av3k the visionary

Seems all good for at least 2 teams:

unkown/colwn: Winz - Linkin - zyrinx - tox????
I would even dare to say it would be an incredibly handy move from unk-colwn to recruit fazz

Pretty solid tdm + ctf + or winz or tox for duel, or even Fazz, they would only have to teach fazz the ctf moves (pretty talented and dedicated player, so it should NOT be a problem AT all, fazz cp9 mid!

And 102, ofc

Imagine the hype.

Av3k warming up his boat.
Cooller riding with him because he doesn't like flying anymore.
Tox doing weights counting in 35s and 25s.
Pavel dancing around punching bag, practicing his dodges.
Rapha in secret training facility drawing smth on the blackboard.
Noctis writing in his book of excuses.
Cypher stacking spliffs and redbulls (evil poster with drawn target circles, horns and mustache in the background).
Evil blankly chewing gum.
Clawz asking parents permission.
Strenx and ins hitchhiking somewhere in Mexico.
Fearz doing club yoga.
Fazz cleaning up his glasses.
Agent drunken dancing in a club.
Ash eating cream yogurt.

so cinematic, lmao :D

dat trailer...

And dahank walking slowly to quakecon from his house because he learned not to rush too much.

http://youtu.be/zD6WStCFnGk?t=7m21s :D

Dkt asking for a leave of absence?

Technically it would be Paid Time Off ;]

Thanks for shitting on my face once again!

I preferred the ESWC team duel mode. Mix teams in TDM and CTF defeat the point of team modes.

wtf? Just do a normal fucking duel tournament! Fuck!

Seriously this is retarded. If you want CTF/TDM hold separate tournaments. And now duel is totally fucked.

Please split up the modes into TDM & CTF Dual tournament and then a separate duel tournament. Nobody wants to watch two TDM'ers face off in the duel finals, and duel is a traditional quake mode on life support, we need to keep it alive for as long as possible.

Other than that, I like the combined team mode, in fact I suggested it a while back myself.

Read the rules again, you won't see 2 TDMers in the duel final.

Why?
In the duel stage of the TriMasters probably not.
But on stage, probably yes (or 2 ctf players).

The duel players for the stage final will be picked from the top2 teams of the Duel part of the tourney, not the overall point winners. So it's still gonna be the 2 best duellers.

indeed, thx.

you will see two duelers from winning ctf/tdm teams. So no rapha/evil/cypher/cooller final :(

http://esreality.com/post/2713877/n-a/#pid2713877

kay, that's better.

horrible idea, just do separate tournaments!

Hmm, may actually re-install in May this year, instead of the standard June 1st.

Things I would change:
- Prize money split (maybe 6000, 1600, 400 for 1st, 2nd, 3rd) instead of winner take all 8000
- Change "Grand Master Duel Finals Stage" so that 8 teams can participate. Make it more of a true playoff with at least 4 teams.

The duel part of this format feels incomplete with so few games, especially considering duels are half the length of TDM and CTF games.

Overall though, this tri-tourney format is interesting. Everyone is already discussing ideal teams and such, so I'm looking forward to see how it will turn out.

People actually like this setup? Seems awful to me :/

You didn't read the thread, did you? 95% of comments have been negative.

So that means 'pretty good' for esr, doesn't it? ;)

nice, like the idea of mixing it up! fresh thing, and allround skillz deserve to be rewarded more anyway imo!

however, i m not sure if prize distribution is perfect like that. and i hope they still use the remaining time to reconsider the duel format.
what about each team sending out 2 duelers instead, average rank or better result counts? (if later, making sure they start on different side of the bracket). prolly not perfect solution, but we should work sth out and suggest it with proper argumentation and community/competitor support. the event isn t done yet, it has just been announced!

Hopefully this is BS, because it is an absolutely horrible idea. Whoever dreamed this up is not firing on all cylinders. FFS

the more I think about it the more retarded it seems

Ya, so what do ya do, 1 dueler, 1 ctfer, 1 tdmer and 1 more of either for a team, pfffffft, not interested.
I am selfishly speaking as a spectator. Ctf and Tdm are no fun to watch, and that seems to be most of the competitions. The top duel players that have been looking foward to this must feel slighted.

There has to be a proper masters duel tourney for the anniversary, period

To me this looks like syncerror was asked to only have one tournament, plus 1v1 on stage, so this mess is the result of hin trying to circumvent his boss' orders.

A simpler way to do so would have been team duel (sum up points or change players per map). That or not try to disobey his boss and just host regular duel.

And this "leak" comes from Syncerror, to test the waters before doing it.

Exactly like the "Ql 2.0" "leak": many things in the early list of changes weren't implemented after seeing the shitstorm that raised here.

http://www.quakecon.org/2015/02/quake-live-tr...announced/

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Eh, Da fuck..?

If the scene was more active this would be a decent idea but not in the state that it's in today...

Here's what you do...Rapha, evil, cypher, and DaHanG all team up, you all nominate someone who will easily beat any other person left and then split the profits.

you will never seen a russia-usa alliance. cold war is still on

Great duel player doesnt make a good CTF player, ive tried quakecon ctf with strenx cooller and cypher didnt work (without practice), it needs practice teamplay knowledge of the map and some tweaks here and there i think duellers can adapt easier to TDM i'd say. Example @ quakecon cooller didnt know purgatory that well, i told him to hold some place on the map and he did well there, maybe even the best of our team :)

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Then he loses in the duel final against rapha, his team loses in CTF against EG and in TDM against some European team and he gets exactly $0. Sounds like a good plan.

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Ok, I get the point about focusing on duel.

But who should be willing to carry the risk of him not winning in duel and thus earning $0 even if he puts all of his efforts into it?

In a somewhat realistic scenario, the only top-level duellers he has to beat are dem0n, fazz and rapha. What's his chance of winning the tournament? Maybe 50-60%? And with a probability of 40-50% he gets $0? It makes no sense for anyone to sponsor him that trip.


Edit: Ok, if he achieves 2nd place in the triathlon-based duel tournament, he gets to play in another grand final. The probability of earning $0 is a bit lower due to that. It's still far from negligible.

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Ah you dont wanna get the maximum out all the modes i guess, thats great way of thinking i suppose

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Lol why would any random 3 player american team agree to that

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If I were a random team of 3 that knew I wasn't going to win anything and someone like evil or cypher came over to me wanting to play on my team, I would demand a cut of their duel winnings as payment for providing them with the opportunity to compete for it.

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Is it being a leech? I mean you (the team) are providing a service for the dueler so why not get paid for it?

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It's something different. I for one am looking forward to seeing some TDM and CTF action, at least this makes those modes important. Heck I'm even thinking of going, who gives a shit if you don't make your airfare back - we're all working/earning adults in this community, go for the experience like a short holiday, if you win then it's a bonus! :)

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I don't agree. There are multi skilled teams out there who will want to win everything and put the time in.

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this reads like bait for another video with the toothless guy laughing

Hey, it could be true. After all, that video probably made quake more publicity than everything else in the last months. It probably generated a +5 people peak for one day.

They just want to make it harder for non-US players to win as they now have to get a whole team to the US.

Wait, what?
I assume you're only talking about the duel part but there's no rule whatsoever in there that forbids mixing US and non-US players in a team. Why would a dueler have to come with a whole team? If needed he could just join with some random US players, form a team and care only about the duel part, right?
Unless you mean that because the money is split with the team tournaments there isn't enough to go there only caring about duel so they have to go there seriously with a full team that practiced? That would be a good point.
In any case we still don't know if any of that information is valid at least.

how does a euro player practice from Europe with a US team if we assume that some US team even wants him in? doesn't sound very plausible.

Unless you mean that because the money is split with the team tournaments there isn't enough to go there only caring about duel so they have to go there seriously with a full team that practiced? That would be a good point.

haha - stupid just stupid.

As long as the players are for it, it sounds cool to me.

BUT PLEASE ID, MAKE SURE THE MATCHES ARE COVERED. Last year hardly any of the duels were casted. Need to schedule it differently or have two caster teams and two streams.

I mean how expensive would it be to have two streams? Just one more host and have anyone that's just sitting around join him, like zorak or rapha or clock etc.

Just make a ctf tournamet and somebody sponsor a southamerican team so we can go and win

i like the idea, but a "4" round swiss tournament is a bit short docnhathink?

well considering id and zenimax has a lower net worth compared to a blizzard or na EA games, totally understandable

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personally 8 rounds should suffice, since the seedings are random

i think 4 rounds is not enough to determine who the top1 and top2 is (especially in duel)(luckily they will choose the two top players of the duel division as finalists for the grandmaster duel title)

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yep the overall team performance(tri-master champion title) will be awarded to the team with most points accumulated from the duel, ctf, tdm standings

but the grand master champ finalists are the top two teams in the DUEL division ONLY

so back to the point, cypher could join a random Mozambique or Kuwaiti team and still get to the grand master finals

or

he can join rapha and dahang's team and win them all

(i assume they going to nominate cypher for the finals since he's clearly the better dueler and more deserving of the GRAND MASTER CHAMPION title)

This makes it harder for international players to justify going though, because either they have a team of 4 or they can't compete. What if 15 European players want to go? Only 12 of them can actually compete? I guess the other 3 could team with a random American, but would there even be any point with such a strong focus on team modes?

Last year lots of the 1v1 players entered the CTF tourney anyway. People will just play in comps because they're there. Restricting what people can play like this is really dumb, especially when this is the only global Quake event on the radar :c

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gaycon

http://www.quakecon.org/2015/02/quake-live-tr...announced/

who the fuck came up with this idea rofl

Disrepute

Sounds amazingly fun, who wants me

I'm surprised that nobody noticed a hidden message to Cooller's wife and son...

Triathlon

THREE ATHLON

FREE ANTON!

Very.... Odd...

HOLY SKAG SACK

I just can't understand why you all are saying that ctf and tdm are not funny to watch, duel is boring as hell
look at these 2 games and tell me they are boring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbr00UUjing
TDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt37G9eThhA
CTF
ok maybe ctf is not really funny to watch but tdm is great!
absolutely better than duel.

fuck duel, fuck ctf... go all in tdm like back in the days! 32k tdm tournament only! )))

THIS IS MY FAVORITE TDM FRAGMOVIE TY

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inb4 2015 wave of donations threads

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i welcome any change form the standard 3names win.

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where is your:
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profit

no profit in ql ((

i think there is some money in it.

I only play quake for the bitche$

Except that:
1v1 winner - cooller
CTF - cancelled
TDM winner - team cooller
tri-champion - cooller
extra 1v1 prize - cooller
award for sportsmanship - cooller

And the extra show event is cooller selling BMW to randomly chosen attendee.

seems like a lot of fun for those that actually go

Looking for team. )

Winter Players has an opening.

Oh I haven't gotten the invite yet.

can we change back to the old format already please

QuakeCon will never cease to amaze us

I thought it couldn't be worst with all those "fire in the hole",48hours spinning logo and prozac's ass, but now iam happy with these tournament ruleset, gj id

Just when you thought it could not get worse, they surprise you.

It isn't even a triathlon.

In an actual triathlon, you don't give one trophy each to the fastest runner, the fastest swimmer, and the fastest cyclist. It's the combined performance that counts. If someone is 2nd best in all disciplines, he will end up 2nd place, and he deserves a prize worthy of being the 2nd best competitor overall.

So, the Quake Live Tri-Master obviously needs a point system, e.g.

1st in each competition gets 10 points
2nd in each competition gets 8 points
3rd/4th each get 6 points
...

Then you sum up the points at the end and distribute the prize pool like this:
1st place (with most points in total) gets $20,000
2nd place gets $12,000
3rd place gets $6,000
4th place gets $2,000

This is clearly the better way to handle the prize pool. I can't even think of a single reason why they would prefer the winner-takes-it-all approach.

Wouldn't that be much worse for European duel players?

The tournament is not supposed to be about duel players, it's supposed to be about teams competing in a triathlon. The teams merely feature a stand-out duel player as part of the team.

The point system would encourage European teams to become good at all three modes without the fear of getting $0 for it. What more do you want?

edit: Not having a dedicated duel tournament sucks for the European duel players because they can't participate without also playing in a team. The current "first-place-or-nothing"-model sucks for them because everyone except evil/cypher has a very low chance of getting any money out of it. My suggestion is an attempt to save what can be saved given that there has to be a "triathlon".

Hmmm. I get what you mean. It's much better this way if what you want is to attract teams. The tradeoff is that you can't have a random cypher showing up with a random team and focusing only on duel because then he'd lose both CTF and TDM, ending up with nothing but a duel title.

if the prizes are for first place only, would any euros bother going? the risk of not making any money at the end of it is relatively high, and even the very best will need sponsors willing to take this risk.

Solution:
16K CTF 16 team open
16K Duel 16 player invite

Both double elim.

why does ctf keep happening year after year? doesn't the turnout suck? its just a rando mix of the 4 top NA teams that give a shit + the plethora of noobs from the open duel tournament making teams.

Also, whys there never been 2v2 TDM?

CTF is fun to play and fun to watch. TDM is not. CA can be, but no 3v3.

Last year had the best CTF turnout in QL history.

they have bad turnout because of the claim (rightly made no matter what) made by euro teams about how they announce such a tourney waaaaay to late to organize a proper trip all the way to the usa. This is the first time ever that it is known what tourneys will happen in qcon.


in 1v1 alot of euro players had sponsors before so it did not matter for that. In ctf however this has been really rare, I can't even remember if it even happened, maybe aAa team in the past? dunno...

"they have bad turnout because of the claim (rightly made no matter what) made by euro teams [...]"

http://esreality.com/post/2714349/n-a/#pid2714192

"Last year had the best CTF turnout in QL history."

QL HISTORY

you do know I am talking about the entirety of all quakecons here including q3 etc? QL ctf is a shadow of the older q3 days, which I account for in my argument!

The year aAa won, their trips were paid by a French player and they reimbursed him later. Dunno about previous year.

While I like the idea of the tournament, this current ruleset does make it harder for teams to be put together.

I think it's been stated maybe 20x already but, no top tier duelers will want to be on the same team, thus, limiting options and chances to win overall.

I think the ruleset needs to be looked at again, and perhaps revised.

On a side note, I am also looking for a team!

Actually top tier duelers would want to be in the same team because then it means less competition from other teams.

Anyway, you gather team to perform best in all three modes. If that includes some top duelers in same team, that doesn't impede your performance in any way.

only 2 people from a team can partake in the duel event, unless I'm reading this incorrectly

Only one, actually. And so what? It's a team tournament, so any duelers in the team must understand that they are part of the team and cannot force their individual ambitions.

No, they'll be 3 cheerleaders for half the tournament. This also opens up potential conflict in prize money distribution.

me, after reading the rules

Potat, do your thing!

too bad there never was an ql2.0

We have ql 2.0 righ now ;0

Version 0.1.0.967, dude. There won't ever be a 2.0.

It's all wannabe hype.

No one ever promised any "2.0" being written in console.
It's not about number. It doesn't matter if it says 0.1.0.9 or 1337 or 69.
People started calling "next big update" ql 2.0 simply because no one could know it will turn out to be QL 0.00000000000000000001
QL 2.0 is expectation
Steam integration
id diarrhea
with love
sink

id failing again. Guys, I'm surprised.

...

The real problem is the risk factor this tournament brings, even for top duellers like cypher and evil the chances of winning are now a lot smaller. Having a top 3/4 payout at least gives you a chance to calculate the risks to where it's doable. A winner takes all really isn't attractive when you have many players at a similar level.

For the team modes it's exactly the same x4, you can say you have 4 shots at winning 8k, but realisticly having a team that's good at ctf/tdm and duel is rare at best. And going for the overall win is a gamble as well.

I think the idea is good, the execution could be better.

euro team consisting of winz, noctis, linkin, and tox on top of my head could really compete for both ctf and tdm potentially? of course given that they at least have SOME practice before hand in ctf. then they can proceed to nominate tox for duel :D

Think you can probably make similar combinations but this was the first to pop up in my head and I am too lazy to make more atm.

both ctf and tdm

Nope. I'm surprised to read this from you :D

you are thinking noctis and tox cant handle ctf, I think they are one of the few tdm players who could convert to it easier then other tdm players.

Ofc they can't handle it right away, did not mean that!

Will noctis and tox become better at CTF than zyrinx and gerppa? I really doubt it.

Remember that in 2014 winz/l1nkin/zyrinx/gerrpa only had about a 50% chance of winning against the best 2-3 NA CTF teams.

So we could give the team you suggested:

20% chance for first place in CTF
60% chance for first place in TDM
10% chance for first place in duel (tox)

That leaves us with a 0.8 * 0.4 * 0.9 = 28% chance of getting $0.

lol at 60% for first place in TDM for that lineup...

Hehe. Then what stops you from doing it? ;>

Yeah, maybe 90% is more realistic, depending on what other teams there are. I can't really tell how well the four of you would work together.

While you would surely be the favorites in any case, I think that e.g. an all-star NA team (think rapha, dahang, clock, czm) or Russian team (let's say cooller-latrommi-cas-fearzzz) would have a noteworthy chance of beating you.

(Of course, those teams wouldn't be optimal for or outright suck at CTF, but let's hypothesize for a moment that more teams would be formed with the goal of winning TDM.)

Hehe. Then what stops you from doing it? ;>

At least 2 of those would need a sponsorship or donations for their trips while other players have already booked their flights.

We are still trying to figure out a team but if it turns out that 102 or colwn decides to go then i'll probably just stay home cause the odds of walking away with nothing would be dumb then. More than 1 potentially tdm winning team going from Europe is counter productive for everyone involved imho (but that might not stop it from still happening).

Btw. that NA allstar team of yours lost vs all 3 european tdm teams that attended qcon 2011.

I have to agree that sending more than one TDM team from Europe would be illogical. That's another big drawback of the prize system.

Unless, of course, one European team specializes on TDM and the other team on CTF. The CTF one will have a much harder time getting any money, though.

That leads to the serious question: Can't you guys somehow pressure id into dropping the winner-takes-it-all prize system? Maybe they actually need to be told that they are actively discouraging the European top teams from participating?


About ufx: But they weren't without a chance, right? They won 1 map against your team, and they had 1 close map against both ic and ballers. You wouldn't ever go into a match with them and be sure that you'd win anyway, right?

Depending on the team i would very much go into the match expecting a sure win. :D

SyncError has already heard enough feedback from more then enough people. Giving out prizemoney for second place and/or third place in the individual tourneys doesn't work well with the Swiss tournament system they have decided for. That system is very good at finding the best team, but sucks for finding any other placing without having to possibly play multiple extra tie breaker rounds which would then fuck up the whole schedule. And i believe the schedule is already rather tight as is. The current system allows for everyone to play 4 games at the same time and it will produce a top team.

The other option of pooling all the Tri-Master money into the overall points result and paying out top3 or 4 might work but it could still result in weird point ties for the 2nd - 4th placements which are then even harder to solve.

The other option of pooling all the Tri-Master money into the overall points result and paying out top3 or 4 might work but it could still result in weird point ties for the 2nd - 4th placements which are then even harder to solve.

I don't see a logistic problem there. If let's say the 2nd and 3rd best teams are tied on points, you just add the prize money for 2nd and 3rd place and give 50% to each team. Or am I missing something?

Granted, from a presentation viewpoint, it wouldn't be great to e.g. have two teams that share the 1st place. But who cares, really? They will only show the additional duel thing on stage, anyway.

As if anyone cares about the prize ceremony and whether or not two teams might share 1st place...

We might not care but the organizers probably do. ;)

Umm.. wait.
From the rules:

Following completion of all three stages, division scores will be combined and the team with the highest cumulative score will be crowned the Quake Live Tri-Master Champions.

and

1.7.1.3 Swiss Point System and Ranking Tie Breaks
(...)

It seems like they already have a point system in mind and also a way of breaking ties if there is more than one best team.

Now I'm completely confused. What's the problem again?

I'm guessing that only works for determining the best team and might be terrible for other placement orders.

Btw the tie breaking concern was pretty much straight from SyncError.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. Then it seems like the worst thing that can happen is multiple teams sharing the third place prize money. And that... happens in real-life sports tournaments all the time and is not problematic at all for the organizers?

I said on top of my head really, of course zyrinx and gerppa could do the job equally well with less practice since they already played alot of ctf unlike noctis and tox.

I made the argument of tox and noctis for the sake of spicing things up really, I think such players have the potential to surpass the classic all star lineups for ctf!

Ok, fair enough. In the end, there has never been an European team that would be the favorite in TDM, CTF, and duel.

Your team is a promising idea, but depending on the competition, the risk of getting $0 is still there, even for this kind of team. And exactly that is the absurd thing about the prize money system ...

the risk of getting 0$ should never be erased a tournament anyway! otherwise what is the point..

The closest thing to tox playing CTF is a newb with an aimbot ;)

I agree he will be like strenx at the beginning in it but this is a guy who everybody thought was all aim no brain in duel, he worked on his flaws and in the end he was unbeatable for some time and it sure as hell wasnt just aim.

strenx did something similar with his all lg style but not like tox did.

Either way, tox does have ctf experience, meaning he's not a complete noob.

Not really, which was my point.

breaking news from strenex facebook:
"The Tri-Master tournament sounds ultra interesting !!!!!"

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But did he get a job yet?

he might be a foreman in the mayoneese factory by now

holy shit i lol'd

lol'd but did not plus...people like you...>:(

Now he just needs the community to sponsor his trip so that he can start practicing one week before QuakeCon!!!!

and then only like one of his games gets streamed and there are no interviews or anything

What about a "sort-of" stand alone duel tournament with a point system per team? Maybe TWO people per team can duel or something then add up the points and that is who wins the duel division? I don't know. At this point I don't even know what to say.

It's already structured so that all 4 players can participate in the duel division if they want.

"In the Duel Stage at the beginning of each of their Duel Division matches, each team will declare
one of their Team Players as the dueler representing their team."

There are 4 rounds, so each teammate can play 1 match. However, it's most likely that teams will have their strongest dueler play all of them.

If you are suggesting that for each round each team chooses 2 players instead of 1 (so that you must have at least 2 duelers), that could also be interesting. The downside is it takes away the ability for individuals to solely control their own destiny.

I honestly barely put any thought into it... Just tossing shit at the wall to see if it sticks

What I'd love right now ? Quake is potat's next toothless spanish laughing guy video about this triathlon.

oh you would be a great addition for such a tournament too!

although I can't remember you playing tdm before seriously, did you?

I have in a lot of occasions. I have been active competitively in every one of these modes :). Though it's true I have less love for tdm out of these 3.

nope

http://esreality.com/post/2714317/n-a/#pid2714317

I like the idea. It's good they try and mix things up.

But there are always bitches whining no matter what they do.

It's good only in theory, but if you think of it in practical sense, it's not very good. Most eu players I talked to are depressed about this, and in the end if they don't go, it's bad for everyone.

Whatever. Competitive, big-money-world-circuit quakelive is dead anyway with only 1 major lan left, so lets have some fun tournaments :-) Looking forward to that.

It's not fun if the second best team wins $0. That's depressing for everyone involved.

Quakecon is the last LAN we have.

Please, just have a standard duel tournament.

why not have the "tri-tourney" be CA/TDM/CTF to maintain the team aspect and have a stand-alone duel open/invite on the side?

the duel aspect just doesnt seem to fit what they're looking for.

there is also nothing stopping cypher/evil/rapha/dahang from creating a team and just saying forget ctf, practicing TDM and taking an easy win. Just wtf.

.

lol.

That team would never win TDM in a million years.

I'd rather have a duel tourney with all the big names present, like we had last year. Only inviting one player from each (top qualified?) team would be sad. If it were my decision there'd be a set of FFA games to decide the brackets of the tourney, and then just have the tourney.

I believe I understand some of the reasons behind this choice:

- Promote quake as a whole, not just it's individual modes
- Introduce some novelty
- Raise the risk factor by having the winner taking it all.

Personally through, I am very disappointed.

Quakecon is the only tournament where we can expect serious competition, and yes, the current setup is - in my opinion - not serious at all. Might be fun, might be novel, but it's not serious. The reason is, the different game modes are very different, and even if you have players who might be good at more than one, most people aren't and have put all their focus one mastering one discipline. Having their performance in other mode affect their ability to progress in their main mode is counter productive.

In real sport a triathlon does not count as championships in the specific disciplines. It's still a nice event, which has a place aside of the true championships. So if this was one of 5 major tournaments, I would welcome the new format, but sadly it's the only one this year, and I would much rather have it stick to the serious competition.

i think is last tournament for quake live. seem like attempt to go out with one last big fun event. winner take all. i hope is true and that doom come out 2016.

I like the idea of having all 3 modes BUT GIEF SUMTING TO 2ND WINRAR ASWELL LIKE 6K FIRST 2K POTATS SEKUND PLAYCE

just do a fuckin quad dmg cup

Misses clanarena!!!!

If you really need a triathlon, do TDM, CTF and FFA instead

FFA in 4x 16player à 20min and count the frags of each team member in the end to determine the winner team of this mode.

This should also allow for a dedicated duel tournament that is open for everyone.

Too bad there is no ffa in quake live :|

Last time i checked (today) there were FFA servers all around.

FFA instead of Duel in the Tri-marathon would be really great:

a) all players of the team could participate
b) 4x 20min FFA does take less time than the duel mode they have planned
c) even one of the dueler pickup groups have a chance to win this one mode
d) would be hillarious to watch

loadout completely sucks compared to classic ffa,
just spamming everywhere ...

Well, you can still spawn FFA servers with classic settings, so that should not be the problem.

Of course, 16player FFA is still very messy - but you could choose some larger maps to help against that....and in the end, FFA is about chaos and still beeing able to see through that.

I am not sure why there was a constraint imposed to make this whole thing "one" tournament. There are nearly 3 full days of bandwidth to play the tournament matches. Even when (practically every year) there are two serious tournaments being run there is a a reasonable amount of downtime and scheduling is not a problem. I do not see why logistically it's not possible to please almost everyone:

Total Prize Pool for tournaments: $40,000

Thursday July 23rd - Master Duel - $12,000

A standard duel tournament - invite only - 32 players.
Play all matches except Grand Final and Bronze match .
This would be just like last year with the schedule working out fine.


Friday July 24th - Triathlon - $28,000

1. CTF Division Victors: $6,000, $1,000
2. TDM Division Victors: $6,000, $1,000
3. Duel Division Victors: $6,000, $1,000
4. Tri-Master Champions: $6,000, $1,000

Saturday Morning July 25th - Remaining Triathlon matches. End by 2pm at latest.
Saturday Evening July 25th - Bronze and Grand Final Duel Matches 6:00pm and 9:00pm

I don't see the above complicated (when the software automates match opponents for the the Triathlon) or overly ambitious at all.

Because he was constrained to only running one tournament this year.

Edit: Sorry, i missread your comment, thought it said you weren't sure why it was only 1 tournament instead of why it was constrained to one.

I can't tell if you're trolling or oblivious. That was the whole point of the post, to question "why" and express the opinion that the decision to make it one tournament was misguided.

Of course, I am assuming "because I said so" was not the reason given during the Id/Bethesda's internal tournament organizing discussions.

That's the only information he could tell us. He was constrained to only 1 tournament this year from either higher ups or sponsors (i presume) but couldn't tell us why. Maybe it's about something that hasn't been announced yet, no idea.

I agree with Dahang how even though somehow only one tournament is allowed, a technicality like that decides that a system that would benefit the tournament in terms of number of players that would travel for it isn't chosen.

I would make the duel 8k and the tri-thingy 6k-2k though.

I also think that a single elim bracket would be nicer so you get actual finals for the different divisions and clear placements for where you've ended up. And with single elim it wouldn't even take more time up.

Wow noctis, do you work for id software?

That was such an informative response, thank you for your never-ending supply of accurate quakecon information.

I'm so glad we didn't get a generic, non-informative, idiotic and oblivious response where you were completely speculating and simply answering for no reason at all. Thank you.

Oh i'm sorry i went into your area of expertise, i'm obviously no match for your skills in that department.

And fyi, i somehow missread dahangs first comment. I thought it said he wasn't sure why there was only 1 tournament not why it was constrained.

But thanks for being the ever so lovely asshole, keep it up.

Apology accepted and you're welcome.

rofl!

Yay! trashtalk has started! hope you can keep it up until august guys

That would almost make it a job.

Not sure if dkt agrees..

So TDM is a guaranteed win for the european team that attends :D

http://strawpoll.me/3746853

no cooller option, invalid poll.

the people have spoken

I think there needs to be a Quakelive EU event, since quake is played here more often by more players ...

i thought the same.
with competent esport orgas.

i have an idea for the tournament. substitute all powerups with quad. that would be fun.

"That's the only information he could tell us. He was constrained to only 1 tournament this year from either higher ups or sponsors (i presume) but couldn't tell us why. Maybe it's about something that hasn't been announced yet, no idea. " - noctis

Last year at QCon I heard that the plan was to have a DOOM tournament for this year's QCon if the game was ready. Marty Stratton has been quoted as saying that the new DOOM will have "fast paced competitive multiplayer," so given this information I can only assume that's what's going on here. We saw plenty of single player action, but nothing about the multiplayer beyond the above quote. I would imagine they will be showing DOOM publicly this year, instead of exclusively showing it to QCon attendees. What better way to get people hyped about the game than some good ol' fashioned multiplayer deathmatch?

That's my theory, anyway.

i did analysis and predictions about id over the last years. they all sounded nice because they contained logic. but my conclusion is, logic doesnt apply to id. better not expect doom 4 content this year...else you will get disappointed.

It's been a few days now but I still can't remove the palm of my hand from my face.

Get some solvent bro

The only thing I'd probably change is I would adopt the ESWC2k4 ruleset where each player on your team is required to play x number of duels or maps for your team. Either way its hard to dislike this format if you're American.

The way I see it there is no team that could be assembled that would be able to beat or even take a map off of the top 2 CTF teams AND win the TDM event WITHOUT dropping a single map(which is probably what would need to happen to have any chance of being elidgable to send your star dueler in to the grand masters ((being top 2)).

The rules are interesting. On the one hand I can see why they were made from an American perspective, thinking that you wanted to spread out the talent among different teams. On the other hand doing this completely shuts the euros out of having any reasonable chance at winning some money.

However, It would be pretty easy to assemble a power-house American team that would completely eliminate all reasonable American competition in CTF (and obviously TDM and Duel) and ensure a win there, while maintaining a chance (albeit a low percentage chance) of winning TDM (overall) and DEFINITELY winning duel (overall). The rules are meant to discourage this but all that would need to happen is a chop between the top 2 duelers on the team to alleviate the player that does not duels woes on having to sit out in the grand masters. This would give the American team in question an overwhelming advantage of winning (almost) every portion of this event and basically all the money. Why would any euro team go knowing that this is a possibility?

This seems pretty dumb.

you think an american team would "definitely" win duel? wtf

Colwn could steamroll you. Tox beat Rapha last year in quarters and knocked him out early. Stermy, l1nkin, winz and l1nkin would destroy anything you have for TDM. And if they have gerppa or zyrinx instead of stermy both of those are awesome in TDM and CTF. Would be nice to see the Americans getting steamrolled on their home turf by a non-jetlagged colwn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8#t=131

zyrinx seemed a bit lost last year..

I still don't get why linkin keeps making the same mistake over and over. I even tried to warn him. 3 CTFers + 1 random skilled player isn't enough to win the whole thing.

Can't take away from the NA teams and what they've managed to do at QCON. However it does greatly favor the home teams and always will. If it were held on EU soil I think the results would be vastly different .

I like this new format it's a break from the same old stuff we see every year but it does seem like it's directly aimed in breaking up some of the NA teams and limits who some of the top duelers will play with i.e dahang and zer04 from last year will more then likely be on different teams due to this rule set.

but it does seem like it's directly aimed in breaking up some of the NA teams

I don't think that's true. Rapha and Dahang have never been in a CTF team together, so they can't be split up. Nobody from NA other than them has a a realistic chance of making money from duel.

As it turns out, zero4 rather wants to be on a strong team than to compete in duel. And it makes sense, because first place in duel isn't a realistic goal for him.

So yeah, the quality of the duel tournament has decreased, but the quality of the teams hasn't been affected at all.

Could we possibly see a cl0ck and viju reunion at this years QCON?

No.

Yes. I highly doubt evil or cypher would even attend the way the rules are now. There is no way a team they are on would make it to the top 2 (to be eligible to play in the duel masters).

any of them can win 8k$ even being in a team with 3 randoms

ah ok, thought you meant that they didn't have the capability lol.

well in that case I kinda agree with your post, although I still think an american team winning tdm is about as likely as a european team winning ctf if you consider the talent pool as a whole. although, granted, given this format, tdm teams that could steamroll anyone in the word (fearzz, latrommi, cooller, pavel or sth, basically 102) sadly may not attend. :(

There is no way a team they are on would make it to the top 2 (to be eligible to play in the duel masters).

I think you may have misunderstood the rules.

The rules say:

1.7.2 Grand Master Duel Finals Stage
Following the completion of the Swiss Triathlon Tournament, the top two ranked teams from the Duel Stage will be selected to compete in a best of five (Bo5) match. Each qualifying team will nominate one player from their team to compete in the Grand Master Duel Finals.

I understand this as: The best two duel players will play again, irrespective of their team's ranking in the overall triathlon.

edit:
However, note that it is possible for a different player from the same team to compete in the Grand Master Duel.
So, let's say rapha and DaHanG are on the same team, rapha competes in the triathlon's duel stage and finishes first or second. Then DaHanG could play in the Grand Master Duel instead of rapha.

Yer a Wizard Harry!

after the game got fucked, now the last major lan tournament gets screwed, hahahahahahaha oh boy.


quote from the quake live news page:

For the first time in QuakeCon history, Quake Live players from around the globe will be tested in one single tournament comprised of all three modes that have come to define competitive Quake.

players from around the globe? with that format i will be suprised if less than 87.5% (14/16) of the teams will be murican.
all three modes that have come to define competitive Quake? and only one of them still gets even ranked.

seriously, gtfo with broken quake live.
give doom 4 ingame footage. before my plasmagun silences forever, for the last time i want to furrow through hell.
GIEF DOOM 4!

tbh i think this is a good idea aslong as they tweak the rules. each team gets points for each mode and they are counted together. duel is sc:bw style team league where each player of each team plays, player is dropped when he loses a map and the loser is the team that runs out of players first

I like that idea!!! <3

best idea yet

never thought i would agree with frs, but i do, i do.

Gave this a plus because it's a great format.

But it can't happen with the time constraints. That's why we have Swiss System with only 4 rounds.

solid idea, I like it a lot.

do this!

So, when did any of the Quakecons ever matter? Let them do their retard thing over there and forget them. They get nuked soon anyway.

now that DH is gone they do

110% approved

...anal PERFORATOR...
that Quake scene :D

Niceee I'll see you guys there :>

TY to syncerror and all the pros

TY to zotac and all involved in keeping it alive while it lasted.

<3 cooller
<3 cypher
<3 rapha
<3 stermy
<3 evil
<3 dahang
<3 toxic


was fun.

do i have to grow and stop playing video games now?

Rapha pkayed today. Wishbi sawnit yay

cooller is ready