Fazz for president

In before dkt.

at first i read Team Avengers! :D

But yeah, good luck. Also, dem0n 2nd qcon in row trying to get his ass sponsored, what a freeloader. :D

if you don't ask you don't get

RESPECT THE PACO

Get a job.

mother fucker stole my thunder

Phrases still available include:
- "Pay your own vacations",
- "Those four should be giving back to the community instead of requesting more money from us",
- "They will attend even if no one donates anyway".

What a cool team \o/

never gets old :D

Donated 7€ (7,4278 $). Have fun at QCon guys :)

Thank you so much! <3

Who's gonna play duel? fazz?
Anyway, this team certainly has more CTF potential than 102(cant see you winning it though) so it will be interesting who's gonna be top2 teams to play extra showmatch assuming muricans gonna put at least 2 decent teams aswell, gl!

What we have discussed so far is that we will practise internally and see who does best. But honestly it might also matter who is the opponent aswell.

ye technically all 4 might play it :)

They really should make it "team duel" format imo. Is quite an interesting format, and unless someone just tears through the other team, we would get to see more players than just the one in action.

who's gonna be top2 teams to play extra showmatch

The top 2 duel players will play the showmatch, not the top 2 teams.

P.S. not gonna donate until kankerbelg and drunkenkuk redeem their last year promise...

indeed. I am still waiting for last year's promise of a road trip to Qcon video for the original donors. Empty promises so far exodus!

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dem0n = kankerbelg

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nah, it's drunken pavel

yes, kuk being penis :D

where is demons "road to qcon" movie? did i missed smth?

I was wondering the same thing just now

he ate it

No duel... What. The. Fuck?

What if we all commented without any basis in fact. That'd make for even more nonsense on ESR.

From the linked Qcon website: "...each team will be put to the test in a triathlon comprised of Capture the Flag, Team Deathmatch, and Duel"

and also: "Teams with professional or extensive Quake Live experience are encouraged to rally around a strong dueler and sharpen their CTF and TDM skills", which makes it sound like duel is still the prime-time event.

oh man, noctis back in action.
I'd pay good money to see that!

here's your chance...

done! =)

Donated 7 USD. Hopefully see you in Stockholm this summer!

<3 Will deffo see you in Stockholmz =)

10/10 will donate

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About the Qcon exp movie:

It's coming in a matter of days. I've been pressing the matter with the concerned movie maker and it really is coming very soon. It could be out by the middle of next week for all I know.

The fact is the guy assembling our after movie does it for free and he has to do his job tasks first which is understandable I think.

Anyways I've asked an ETA and I've been told that this weekend might see the end of it. Again no promises or fixed date but what I can say is it's not gonna be another month of waiting.

Also I want to add that my trip last year had been paid kindly by Memento_Mori and this time around I was going to QuakeCon no matter what, as I've clearly indicated a few times.

That beeing said, I can't wait to go to QuakeCon with The Averagers <3

Thanks to all who will donate aswell ;)

Peace, out.

So Qcon 2014 movie is just a teaser for you attending Qcon2015? :P

I will donate a quenelle.

Hah nice one Kapi :)

It's like reading bst promising Aurora's availability in November 2011.

I will definitely end up donating something to this.... love the catchy fish hook language :)

LOL, GET A JOB. I HEARD ABOUT AN OPEN POSITION SOMEWHERE AROUND POLAND!!!1

So, will this be allowed to stay in the frontpage?

Because i definitely remember threads being pulled from the front page last year because they were asking for donations. The site's staff should make its policy clear once and for all.

Only if Demon gives SyncError the quenelle.

GL guys. :)

I could do that. But I'm not sure I wanna go to Guantanamo.

You don't have a beard, do you?

ups

And yet another donation drama incoming. Sweeeeeeet.

All cool guys in my book, but I am gonna donate especially because out of love for the aussie gangsterer.


edit: done. Please check my comment for my request!

Does anyone know what other teams are confirmed (or at least planning to go)? My donation would be contingent on expecting GGs with some teams with good lineups.

There are practically bound to be 2-3 very good NA teams just like in the past years, so that should be enough, right?

Remember donating some money to exp last year so they could go. Still waiting for that ominous promised roadmovie....

Why don't you guys just stream like fazz does leading up to qcon? It's fine to ask for donations but you should atleast give something back to the people that donate for you to go other than promises that may or may not happen for whatever reason (e.g. the exp video). Would imagine that people are going to be way less likely to take these promises seriously after last year.

I would if i could but streaming with 1Mbit upload doesn't work that well, no idea about spartie/dem0n. Fazz will probably stream a lot of our practice games anyway.

I don't really think we are promising something unrealistic with some daily phone recorded videos to share our experience so i think that should be manageable. :)

Do you think its a good idea to show your training games? i mean that is strategies and playstyles exposed to the people we dont want to win.

We haven't really talked about that yet tbh.

You should as usa teams will have a clue how you play only from videos/streaming/demos.

You could also ask other quake streamers to stream for you, it's not that difficult noctissssssssssssssssssssssss

ffazz is already streaming quite a lot. You desperately try to find a flaw every time somebody is asking for donations. I wonder what ur motives are. Jealousy? Yes, european quakers get more fame than american ones. Are you gonna brag again with the fact that u only install quake right before a quakecon?

You should be grateful that you get to have international competion in ur beloved quakecon. Instead, you behave like this....

Didn't I just say that fazz is already streaming? Seems like you are the one that is "desperately" looking to troll someone, not that I really blame you with how dead this site is now. I actually donated a small amount last year to one of the players looking to go AND to exp as a whole, will donate again this year just for the chance of not playing the same 3-4 Americans in the finals as I have the past 3 years. I've also donated on fazz's stream but I guess it's just that jealousy though.

How is any comment I've made about me only re-installing/playing Quake a couple months before qcon a brag? Pretty sure over half of everybody playing in the masters events the past few years only installed a couple months before qcon as well.

I guess it is indeed time to stir the pot with some classic pre-qcon hype so here goes.

In regards to your comments about European Quakers getting more "fame" than American ones I don't think that's really accurate, or at least a fair statement. Are you talking about recently or overall? Not even sure it matters. Pretty sure rapha/zero4/dahang have had an equal amount of "fame"(it's hilarious that you even attempt to bring up someone having this in an active community less than like 1,000 players world-wide) as any of the top euro players- cypher/evil/cooller.

This is the part where you reply and tell me I'm wrong while listing incredibly subjective and undefinable/provable reasons why. Go.

How is any comment I've made about me only re-installing/playing Quake a couple months before qcon a brag?

That's not a brag... But that is:

just for the chance of not playing the same 3-4 Americans in the finals as I have the past 3 years.

According to these information you weren't even in the top 3 teams in 2012.

Also, in 2013 and 2014 you played against 7 (not 3-4) different American players in the finals, i.e. your two opposing teams didn't overlap at all.

(It's also worth mentioning that your team placed 4th in 2011, behind 3 European teams. But that's why you excluded 2011 in the first place. ;))

edit: Anyway: keep up the trash talk, it will make for a better tournament.

Sorry, what I should have said (and meant) was the 3rd year in a row, not the past 3 years(I didn't go to or practice/play QL in 2012). The comment about the same 3-4 Americans was a slight exaggeration of the point that 2 teams comprised of the same 6-8 American players (give or take a player) have been in the finals the past 2 years and this year will surely be no different. Especially if this is the only euro team that comes (assuming each of the 2 American teams going don't somehow manage to get 1st and 4th seed at qcon via some online tournament leading up to the event and thus have to face each other beforehand at the tournament)

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Also yah, obviously I didn't bring up 2011 because 2 American teams were not in the finals and it was not within the past few years. Congrats winning this one though- I guess winning 1 of the past 8 qcon team tournaments despite consistently sending your best(+/-1 player) team is a pretty big accomplishment for eu.

Well done guys!

assuming each of the 2 American teams going don't somehow manage to get 1st and 4th seed at qcon via some online tournament leading up to the event and thus have to face each other beforehand at the tournament

I don't think there is a "final" for either CTF or TDM (only for duel in the "Grand Master Duel Finals Stage")

From my understanding of this tournament's format, seeding will only directly affect first round opponents anyway. It is actually more likely for higher ranked teams to face off in rounds 2 or 3.

Even if the two point leaders face off in the final 4th round due to one of the teams losing earlier on, the loser of that match will likely fall to 3rd or below overall (for that particular game type).

It is also possible for the top 2 teams of a given game type to never face off during the tournament.

It is worth noting that it hasn't been fleshed out yet what kind of Swiss tournament system they will implement. In the official tournament rules, there is only a copy & paste of the first few paragraphs of the wikipedia page on Swiss-system tournaments.

However, cl0ck apparently thinks it will be some elimination-based system, so he obviously didn't read the rules carefully.

He also misunderstood the rules of the Grand Master Duel Finals in this post of his.

So I guess his job is having very strong opinions on how a tournament will work out, even though he doesn't understand any of the tournament's rules.

winning 1 of the past 8 qcon team tournaments despite consistently sending your best(+/-1 player) team is a pretty big accomplishment for eu.

Let me check. The past 8 Quake team tournaments at Quakecon with European teams were:

2014 CTF, 2013 CA, 2011 TDM, 2010 CTF, 2009 CTF, 2006 TDM 2v2, 2004 CTF

There weren't any European teams participating in 2012 and 2008, and there were no Quake team tournaments in 2005 and 2007.

Out of these 8 tournaments, European teams won 3:
2004 CTF, 2006 TDM 2v2, and 2011 TDM.

So, 3 out of 8, not 1 out of 8.

Just to make it clear. You just mocked the European scene for not winning in 2012 and 2008 even though they didn't even send a team for either of those tournaments. That's a rather lame way to try to prove a point.

You are right in some respect. It is indeed noteworthy that the last time a European team has won a CTF Quakecon tournament has been in 2004. However, they only tried three times since then; in 2009, 2010, and 2014.

Then again, please remind me: When was the last time a NA team has won a big TDM tournament on LAN? That was probably before 2004.

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was a slight exaggeration of the point that 2 teams comprised of the same 6-8 American players (give or take a player) have been in the finals the past 2 years

There were 11 different players in these 2 finals out of a possible maximum amount of 14 different players.

To further the point, the teams you competed against in those finals were completely distinct:
(ZeRo4, br1ck, DaHanG, whaz) in 2014
and
(id_, viju, gwc) in 2013

So what's your point again? You are bored of being in the final two years in a row, in two different game types, while playing against different opponents? What?

In the 2014 CTF tournament, your team WELP played 5 maps against Unknown and lost 3 of them. Was that boring, too? Seriously, I don't get what you're complaining about. It's fucking amazing that we have these kinds of tournaments in 2014.

clock, you're a nice guy, and i know that it's your duty as an american citizen to not be a highly intelligent or educated person (if it's not an anti muslim or anti osama matter). Still - you've no idea wtf you're talking about.

eu sent a first proper ctf team in 2014, after 10 years. fnatic was spartie and linkin with 2 duelers, but i guess you have to call them best team (+/-1 player) because if you don't then your achievements wouldn't mean much, specially seeing the mickey mouse competition in america.

next, lol


ps.: sooo looking forward to see some decent ctf :)

other than that will more highlevel players streaming increase twitch followers->probably some pre-quakecon-hype to some casuals who just like to watch )

filthy murican wanna study your opponents before the event huh?

The people that donate for them might just be happy, when they see them at QCon2k15. At least that would be a reason for me to donate some bucks.

where its the promised video from last year Demon ??

l2r

Please prod the team to make clean configs :D

chipped in 20 go EU kwek!

Noctis is my favorite Australian! fuck yea.

isn't he aboriginal from New Zealand?

Broken promises </3.

SPART1E sober? Naaah ;-D

donatin 0.50 PLN.
enjoy ur flight boys

donatin 0.50 PLN.
enjoy ur flight boys

Time to recycle the gif!

Haha :D

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/74076095/...ldmen4.gif

Fazz should also setup a "donate" button on his stream. I know Sparks has one going, and I've donated $35.00 to him so far. I'm sure I'd donate to Fazz too.


-f0calp01nt

Hey man, I've had that for a long time :), and the donate link here in the post is actually just the same as that one.

Your donation was accepted. Thank you for donating! ($50)
(please confirm fazz, i never used that twitch donations site)

I'm sure he will list donators on his twitch.

Here is what I would suggest in order to boost your donations:

Rather than simply promise to upload demos and videos of your journey in return for donations (which you would and should do regardless of donations), why not offer to donate part of your earnings to the community (HOQ, etc) if you were to win in return for the support received?

Your own donations could then be used to support and promote the very community which supports you and which would have contributed to sending you to the tournament in the first place ?

Just my 2 cents on the matter.... But that is by definition how a community works.

This will sadly never happen

Sounds like a good idea, i'm sure we can arrange something, maybe in partnership with 125fps.

We'll have to win something first tho. :)

by donations to community he means the 'buy esdf a pc that runs quake at 125 fps' initiative.

where did you get one that doesnt? 2001?

he must have implied pc stats high enough to bring joy and control at playing quake, so the config must be smth like this:
CPU: 3770k @ 4.5ghz
GPU: EVGA GTX 980
Soundcard: Xonar Essence STX
Mouse: Abyssus v1
Mousepad: Razer goliathus speed 2014 edition
Keyboard: CM Storm TKL Blue Switches
Headset: QPAD QH-1339
Monitor: Asus Swift PG278Q
this list makes happy fazz at least

I have a core2duo laptop from 2009 with nvidia gt230m. and actually buying a pc ain't that of a problem as I could get one for ~300-350 € easy. But buying a 120/144hz screen is kidn of a pain since all the benqs and asuses cost ~350€ as well. :D

There is a 19" 160hz crt for sale in Split for 100kn. You wont regret buying it i promise you. http://www.njuskalo.hr/crt-monitori/samsung-s...as-6384482

You could get a CRT for next to nothing. People literally give them away nowadays.

i'd prefer an lcd tho, not really in to bigass crt's

yea fair enough, just saying if money is an issue and you still want the Hz.

you can get a benq xl2411z for around 250€ on amazon. it's basically the same monitor/same panel as the xl2420z (350€, better stand) and the new xl2420g (550€, better stand, gsync).

that's a great idea!

It would be nice to get 102 to QCON aswell, they are the ones who need donations for sure, since Russia.

They already made a russian forum post asking for donations. Depending on how much they gather they prolly gonna make a post on ESR later

They should definitely make one here. Paste link from Russian forum, if can.

https://vk.com/tdm102?w=wall-55239920_17067%2Fall

sposiba

Ka-Ching!

$_$

Thanks, done, same amount as i gave to fazz

DAVAI LINK!!! I want to donate while I'm in the mood!

https://vk.com/tdm102?w=wall-55239920_17067%2Fall

Alexey A from the moscow region to the rescue!

can't bring myself to donate to watch capture the flag, tdm then a small amount of duelers play

if you can recover the quakecon 2011 demos i will donut

Btw,it would be nice to keep amount and/or list of donators up to date on this post, it might be motivating for people. One of the biggest factors to donate on kickstarted is when you see project you like AND that counter going up every second :D

avengers should spent their winnings on helping faceit or whatever league

A really nice all round team that should do well in all 3 diciplines, I'll be donating some.

donated 15$

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I'll accept your b8 m8.

Fazz & noctis both top tier TDMers, and I'd imagine spartie and demon to be literally just under them.
Demon & Spartie both top tier CTF and I'm pretty sure noctis is too. dunno how Fazz is but I'm sure we wouldn't be a weak link.

As for duel all 4 can take games away from anyone so I've no idea how they are gonna pick to duel.

hence do very well in all 3...

In Quake's state 'doing well' is achieving first place, since even the second and third place prizes are not enough to pay for the traveling costs.

This team will most likely not 'do well' in Quake, because other teams beat them in two out of the three competitions of the marathon. Also none of them will play at the stage.

They will have fun in their free overseas vacations and be able to compete in their hobby at the highest level, but when it comes to Quake results they won't 'do well'.

edit: Come to think about it, with Syncerror's flawed tournament rules they will indeed win money off TDM, no matter that they fail to win the actual tournament. Since they won't pay for trip and don't need to be the best to earn money then this turned out to be a great deal for them, lol.

Considering the other 2 teams that are most likely attending from Europe not even a TDM win is sure for us. But we'll practice for TDM and CTF so we can do well in everything and potentially have a shot at the "overall win" as well.

That's the problem: Even assuming your victory in the TDM part of the marathon, still the 'muricans are going to get first and second place in both CTF and duel, so overall victory is impossible.

That unless there's like four euro teams attending (so the 'muricans receive no points in TDM), you manage to reach top 4 in CTF and spartie goes all drunken master in duel.

Doesn't stop us from trying. :)

Meh, three of you can take anyone in duel on a good day, and the other one is Belgian and can't because he hasn't bound his weapons :p.

Except rapha and dahang. There lies the problem.

Nah, that's what noctis and spartie are there for, to take 2 maps in a row then lose 3, then on a good day maybe just maybe win :D

you manage to reach top 4 in CTF

That might be quite doable, considering the winner-takes-it-all prize money system.

I'm curious how many good NA CTF teams will participate. I assume that two teams (one of them based around rapha/id_/clock, and one based around dahang/br1ck/zero4) are very likely.

But besides them, who has an incentive to compete?

Think about a team that's the third best in NA, like Loaded in 2010 (Flysher, kgb, whaz, sparks) or SAKE in 2014 (sparks, Avenged, kgb, Effortless). While these would probably be the favorites against The Averagers because they are actual CTF teams, they still have a practically 0% chance of winning in CTF, and a definite 0% chance of winning in TDM and duel.

So, they are very unlikely to make any money. I wonder if they will even bother to come to Quakecon. If teams like these don't show up, The Averagers are the 3rd best team in CTF.

who are supposed to be in the other 2 teams?

I still strongly believe we can do well in ctf above any expectation with a good pragmatic understanding of how our various playstyles can work together. And I don't think I've ever played in a team with so much competition mindset. It will be a very interesting adventure and I wonder how well we can do in CTF.

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There are five prize categories and all of them are winner-takes-all.

Best CTF team : $8,000
Best TDM team : $8,000
Best duel "team" : $8,000
Best overall team : $8,000
Grand Master Duel Finals* : $8,000

*The top two teams in the duel category get to choose one of their players for a last matchup.

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Nothing's over until it's done. Also, even if they end up second/third in every single category they can win $8,000.

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Well... I probably should have explicitly excluded the "best overall team" category from that I guess.

I'd say noctis and spart1e are the better tdmers in the team

So you're saying spart1e is better at TDM than fazz? I have seen some stand-out performances by spart1e, but also lots of average ones (for his skill level). It's a close call.

In either case, all four of them have lots of TDM experience and probably very good team chemistry, so it doesn't really matter.

Maybe noctis can show dem0n those last few TDM tricks that he doesn't know yet, and dem0n teaches both noctis and fazz how to play CTF. Then they only need practice partners to solidify their play... ;)

http://qlstats.info/dreamhack-winter-2011-tdm/detail/desc/rating

http://qlstats.info/dreamhack-summer-2011-tdm/detail/desc/rating

not THAT bad !

Those rankings have to be interpreted carefully. Let's look at the fact that you and Spart1e rank way above fazz for DreamHack summer.

You and spart1e played 7 maps, fazz played 14 maps.

Your best opponents were metsu and dignitas.
His best opponents were the Russians, serious, and colwn.

Let's see how your best opponents did against his:

Dignitas lost 0:2 against both serious and colwn.
Metsu lost 1:2 against serious.

I think we can agree that comparing stats like NetDamage is not a meaningful thing to do when one considers these differences. But the beauty about it is: We don't really know how each of you will play on a team together and who will bring the best performances, and I hope we will see it at QCon.

edit:

Also note that noctis' teammates in Reason rank 15 (deus), 17 (zyv) and 25 (fazz). If those were meaningful rankings, how the hell did Reason manage to get 2nd place? As a counter example, the rankings of metsu's players are 2, 13, 16, and 20, which is quite a bit better than Reason. But metsu got eliminated in the quarter finals. It doesn't add up and that's because the system is clearly biased in some ways.

I agree, but there are many other factors you didnt take into account. The amount of losses and wins also matter on the average rating. Also the first tdm tournament, you can not exactly say we had a deathbringer squad with kekkie, madix, spartie and I.

And besides all that, much like ctf, you can not really translate those stats into reality, as some players have to hold different tasks. For example, most tdm teams have a defined pu runner who's going to stack up whole game and get the items so they can hold a couple areas and rape the fools who try to rush in with mg's, not to mention the few spawnkills that might happen aswell.

For example, it is much more forgiving rating wise to be holding the shaft room on dm20 than it is trying to rush the RA whole game with machineguns and little health. Those guys hardly ever get to see a quad aswell, they often just die trying to win the pu area to buy enough time for their carries to come into the mix.

So yeah :)

Edit: also higher seeded teams will play vs lower seeded ones at the beginning, boosting up their stats and rating by a much larger margin for a few consecutive games. And I want to note that I've already specified to my averagers fellas that I will not run pus unless circumstances force it, because I'm an aweful pu runner in tdm, I feel much better with no health and little ammunition because then I have nothing to lose, contrary to my enemies :p

Edit2: to answer to the reason case of noctis ranking 1st and the rest of his teamates way below is because of what I just said : they played on their strengths. When you have noctis in a team, it would be foolish to ask him to cess an area like the RA on dm20, because he's just so strong at holding an area, punishing the lowlives passing by and running the powerups. I think there's very few if none at all that can play this kind of playstyle as well as noctis does :).

I also agree. I didn't forget about these factors, I simply thought you had already taken them into account, so I wanted to point out a different aspect.

Knowing all these things, why did you bring up the stats in the first place?

I didn't say that you or spart1e are bad TDM players because that would be an absurd thing to say. I just said that I don't think you are far above fazz (if at all), and that you are probably below the noctis/krysa kind of level.

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it would be foolish to ask him to cess an area like the RA on dm20, because he's just so strong at holding an area, punishing the lowlives passing by and running the powerups. I think there's very few if none at all that can play this kind of playstyle as well as noctis does :).

But he used to play the cess role incredibly successful too, didn't he? At least in 2v2 with zyv, I think zyv was mostly holding areas and noctis' job was more cess. So he excels at both kinds of extremes. I always thought that's one of the reasons why many consider noctis to be such a great TDM player, right?

Noctis is easily one of the best tdm players of whole time in my opinion, and I say that for the reason you've given. Tdm is about many things but the core aspect of it is to be able to outdamage your opponents consistently. That means an incredibly high level of fighting abilities. If you can combine this with a very wide understanding of how to play yourself around on any given map, you're going to be a supersize alien spacecraft hovering above minion humans cowing about on the ground waiting for the deathbeam to annihilate all life signs :).

I'm not saying I'm noctis' or krysa's level, I just think people tend to underestimate my tdm abilities by overlooking some of these factors listed above. I'm not an effective pu runner but my acknowledged relatively 'high' ctf skills aren't just there because I know how to strafe or move better than most.

That beeing said, noctis destroys me on any given position he might choose to take, but I'll take comfort in knowing that is the case for most of us human beeings :D.

That's a humble but confident attitude, I like it. :)

And I think you are right, I and probably many more do underestimate your TDM skills. That's probably due to a combination of you not taking those flashy PU roles and you never playing in a tournament-winning elite TDM team (as far as I remember).

Think of tox as a counter-example. Although he never made the flashy PU runs either -- that was always fox's and l1nkin's job -- people don't underestimate him because he's exclusively played in top teams.

So, as I said before: I'm glad to see you in Team Averagers because you'll finally have a real TDM spotlight on you and I will be cheering for you to play your best and win at QCon.

I'd be embarrased

:(

2GD at QuakeCon confirmed!

(seriously though, we miss you)

Reborn surprise release at QuakeCOn confirmed

Donated $10 to Fazz/twitch account, I have gone to the last 7 Quakecons and always manage to work my way into the players area to watch from their POV. I am a hermit crab so usually just watch and leave. Good Luck lads.

I like hermits. Hermits taste delicious.

Road to Quakecon Edition 2015 coming to your movie theaters in 2056.

As soon as my welfare cheese comes in I'll hook you guys up <3

No word on cypher yet?

I'm thinking Cypher/tox/linkin/stermy could do some damage

Linkin, stermy, winz plus a non duellist and maybe that would make some sense. But only if it's warm there.

Ehh...

fun!

Team spartie= Team ydk come on my old Team ;)))))

gimme a sec.. these guys got funded to qcon last year.. promised a video footage and 3/4 year later it's still not available?

cheers

I'm perfectly fine with beeing systematically pointed at when it comes to the exp movie eventough we were 4 asking for the donations and I didnt exactly need any myself since I was already beeing supported by Meme.

But this is too short a shortcut in my opinion.

The promised footage is on its way and right now it is not in the hands of any of the guys who benefited from the kind donations last year.

Besides, some of the footage included will hopefuly be worth the wait you guys are right to complain about.

I also find it odd that most of the people who complain about it are mostly the ones who have not contributed to anything in the first place.

Do not forget that I am also often very prone to donate myself to various causes here and there and I don't just take stuff and get away with it like a thief. Ask 2gd, fazz, faceit, qlranks or zlive who all may or may not confirm this.

Rant over.

<3 to all !

Thanks for clarifying dem0n :) and good luck at qcon. hope you guys make it. would like to see some good tdm again.

Ive already started playing pickups again yesterday :)

Get a job

I'll donate if I get 2% of the prize money

lol

moroccans as such ;)

You'll donate 1000€ if you get 2% of the prize money

People just a hint, if youre asking for something in return, it stops being a donation, just sayin'.

I would love to see team averagers at Qcon and I'm sure they will be t here, but I'm not in favour of donations.

Since I was 16 I used to work on weekends and summer to pay my hobbies (scooters, cars, consoles, PC's...) There's enough time until Qcon to get some money for the trip.

GL&HF <3

I donate an opportunity.

Avengers without rangers!!!!

Shouldn't it be "Team Medium Talent"?

Give me video of fazz dancing, i'll donate

your move

you thought you will get away with it? :)

yes i did, but i didnt :)
donation donated to donatee

hf bihatches!
Better not fail ;D

Glad to see Australia getting represented.

I'd love to see some Austrian action from Fraze at Quakecon though.

Jet a gob.

I would donate something if it was duel. But trimasters champoinship ? What the fuck - I am not gonna stay up til 6 in the morning watching some stupid CTF game.

zyrinx or stfu.

hf 3 old men and australian

2 old men, shitafaced style, and no weap binds.

Spartie is only 3 months younger than noctis though. And I'm one year and a half younger than spertie :>

:D, was talking about the team 4 old men :D

I would like to see the following EU teams:
102 (Cooller, Pavel, Latrommi, Fortune)
Colwn (L1nkin, Winz, Zyrinx, tox)

And a mix team with Cypher, Evil, etc.


I would donate the hell out of it.

Colwn don't have zyrinx in lineup, there is stermy, ukn have winz, linkin and zyrinx but sadly not tox :((((

That exact 102 team is already planning to go and asking for donations from the Russian community. You probably missed it:
https://vk.com/tdm102?w=wall-55239920_17067%2Fall

Also, strenx posted on twitter that he has a team consisting of strenx/silencep/clawz/cypher in mind and is looking for sponsors: https://twitter.com/strenx/status/578967984116477952

btw, dont want to dig much about new qcon tourney system.
in short: will be teamless cypher, evil etc. able to participate in duel?

no..

ok, sad :\

Cypher/Evil could definitely join a random American team and play duel.

i hope that this year there will not be fucking new cerberon in mappool

Like I said in my above comment: offer to donate back to the community part of your earnings if you win and you may receive more donations.

Support back the community that supports you in the first place.

As far as I am concerned that is how I would function and what would motivate me to donate.

They owe us nothing, a donation is a donation. I pay to see them play and have a great event.

Having them made a promise to give some of the earnings only raises the pressure to win.

However if they win something and decide to donate a little something to 125 fps i would be pleased and definitely would donate another time.

It is no way an obligation nor a method of pressure.

I am just saying that our community needs donations to survive. You know to what extent quake live is suffering lately due to lack of motivation in the absence of decent leagues and money.

I only find it normal that we all support each other and that includes receiving support from those we ourselves support.

But by all means, don't misinterpret what I am saying. As far as I am concerned I will donate regardless of what they decide to do with the money they win (if they win...).

PS: I heard rapha is teaming up with clock and zero4. Not sure who their 4th Is but it may be sparks (just a feeling... ).

This tournament format really suits this team imho. They stand a chance for the final win as well, so this would be a profitable trip for them anyway, and donations not necessarily needed, but what made them to play and be good in every mode of quake, is their passion and love for the game. Since these players weren't only showed up few weeks before big tournaments, neither only participated when money were included, and kept the game on a competitive level for long, I will donate myself a few bucks, and inspire others to do so in memory of Quake's better days.

what is the total on the donation amount atm?

Fazz has got the numbers but he's not gonna be online this evening, so I guess we will update that tomorrow. ;)

Will update the post with all the donations once i get the full info from fazz, i think he isn't home tonight. What i can already say is that the donations have far exceeded our expectations and that we have already all booked our flights (there was also 1 particularly big donation).

Big thanks already now to everyone for your support!

.

man, shut up

Good to hear!

no

?!?!?!

okay so a kinda funny story: i donated a somewhat generous amount then noctis says that someone made a particularly big donation, so the first thing that pops into my head is that i accidentally added another 0 to my amount. so i decide to message fazz on esr to clarify, but he doesnt answer within seconds so i take to webirc instead, unfortunately you arent able to check idletimes with that client so i end up getting the stock irc client, which again, does not display idle. okay, so i eventually end up with nbc irc so that i can finally confirm nocits' relatively idle and ask him about my donation (that i have to do with the webirc client... because duh, otherwise it would be weird!! a guy joining #tdmpickup with 3 different clients????????) okay, so he confirms my donation for the intended amount, i tell him some shit, wishes him gl at quakecon and asks him to keep my donation anonymous.

i told fazz im not a very collected person in my imsg. im starting to believe i had a point DDDD:

asks him to keep my donation anonymous.

Very humble.
Why didn't you just look on your bank account/credit card/paypal transactions?

i would, but its weekend well endowed with my banking business as a somali immigrant D: oh and its not about being humble, i just find it sad that some people donate lunch money then proceeds to stroke themselves to their 'good deeds' DDDDDD:

Very humble, I mean you've just told us a big story about how you have given more than most and then taken the piss out of peoples 'lunch money'
You're one humble dude.

are u trying to start an argument about something i dont disagree iwth in the first place

like ive barraded opponents ive beat just because they give a poor performance (they usually trash talked during game tho :DDD)

barraded

berated

Cut down on whatever drugs you are taking? ;)

so ill spell better? hue

Nah, so that you can form coherent thoughts?

hey what if im actually insane and off drugs completely

Then it would be even harder for you. ;)

most humble apology ive ever heard

Ok so here's a sneakpeak at one of the outtakes I did myself at quakecon. This is a very sneak preview of what I hope will, eventually, be a very funny compilation of how our trip looked.

I made this available so you guys stop worrying about wether the aftermovie is coming or not. I hope this sneakpeek makes you guys salivating, it sure does me ;).

HF guys !



PS: if any admin knows how to embed, would be helpful ;)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGG1HEwxnc]

For future reference

donation done, NEXT!

What i dont understand with quake players in general..

Why arent you guys promoting yourself and creaing a brand?
There are so many free alternatives you can use to sell tshirts,merchendise et.c and i see them all go unused.

Yet there is no issue begging for money?

There's also no issue in not donating to them, if you see cypher or fazz streaming getting 200/300 viewers you could clearly see the problem quake has. A lack of interest, you need numbers to do merchandising and get parties interested in doing such alternatives, numbers quake doesn't have.

Never said donating to them was bad.
The issue is with them going straight to begging for money.

The sole reason why you need numbers for merchendising is the cost of producing the merchendise yourself, you need numbers so you can gauge how much you need aswell as to setup a budget.

That issue is moot now as there are free services which take a commission for every item you sell (zazzle,spreadshirt, etc).


Using the 200-300viewers excuse is so lazy considering you have smaller streams with less concurrent viewers then fazz has making a living off of their stream.
They do this by having several sources of income (donations,merch etc).

The issue why i even braught it up is because players have been sitting on their hands ever since quake was released.
A refusal to stream, refusal to market themselves, refusal to do anything.
While constantly giving excuses to why it wont work.

is it any wonder why this community is so shitty?

Who are these streamers with less than 200 viewers that can make a living off it?

Probably not anon :P

Im not fun to watch and im well aware of that.
Im also not partically good at quake, so thats out of the window aswell.

Then again ive been working with streaming for the last 4years, so what the fuck do i know?

most relative to this discussion would be warwitch.

He is getting a nice mix of donations aswell as ad revenue from streaming.
And when i say make a living off of it i mean pay the bills and buy food.
He does this by being accomodating to his viewers and giving them a reason to comeback.
There are other streamers that are making a small living off of streaming aswell, if you stick your head out and look for yourself you will find them.

Anyway, fazz is doing a fairly good job by being accomodating to his viewers, he just needs to step it up on the other end.

Outside of streaming you have every other pro player just sitting on their arse waiting for things to fall into their lap.

How many of you would buy cypher,cooller,evil,fazz tshirts for example?
how many of you concidered buying the zowie cooller mouse for example?

Yes Fazz does a nice job at banning half the chat after losing a game. Pathetic

If someone is in my chan to get on my nerves or to be a nasty fuck in general, then I believe its my(and my mods) own right to handle that in any way I want. The people that feel they have been wrongly banned and comes back to me always(so far at least :) ) get unbanned aswell.

#freeBiebery and ill forgive you :)

He hasn't gotten back to me so I doubt he wants to come back :)

Now is your chance to be a bigger man an make the first step. Amnesty is best when unasked for

For what? So the chat would consist of even more stupid Twitch emoticons? All the time 50% of chat is made of calling eachothers' names trying to incoroporate as much kappas into it in place of letters. This is fucking pathetic. How low human race has fallen.

Totally agreed. :/

That's the sucker way.

If anyone wants their donation to stay anonymous they should probably message me about it. I'm gonna update the post later today with the amounts / messages and the total. :)

I already got 2 such messages hence this "warning". ;)

Edit: might not post the messages considering it was never mentioned anywhere that they might be public. Rest assured tho we all got your messages. :D

I will repeat my message here:

you fkrs better practice proper ctf!

2GD
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lol 2GD wtf? Awesome :D

Dota guy, dont be shy. Leave a message here because, all we wanna do is plus plus plus.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2720555/in-the-...pid2721306

2 G D
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what about donating the rest of the money to the strenx / cypher / claws / silencep team ?

this is what i was thinking... donate what you do not need to other teams?

great idea!

that was sarcasm :)

people gave their hard earned money to this team so they can attend, giving it to another team is ignoring the donators' wishes in a way

This.

1000 euros isn't necessarily enough for one ticket, they were obviously looking for support and not their tickets completely payed for, heck they have hotel rooms to pay for too, so anything above the initial goal the will definitely need/want to keep to help them with their total expenses.

2GD such a fucking baller! :D

In 3 years from now the noobs from that time will be criticizing 2gd for not doing anything for quake. It's the cycle of noobness.

(they will also support the next cpm clone).

Supporting Quake by (trying to) make a replacement / rival for the game?

I think he is supporting his friends first and foremost.

I thought noctis was austrian

A common mistake.

You might be mistaking him for Fraze.

Btw are we gonna see fraze and his austrian teammates at qcon?

camma got a broken arm

That means he cant work and got Even more time for Quake?

If he can play with his feet, I guess.