Ok

Not ok!!!! Something ought to be done

Nowadays id even implements suggestions of a lolca-1v1-thunderstruck-player on psychiatric medication.
Must be coincidence that loadout-tdm feels like lolca with respawns and loadout-ffa feels like lolca with respawns but without teams.

Just accept that even agar.io is more fun than ql, let alone star wars battlefront. I hope you farm some items, as you +back-rl-autohop into the sunset.

Fucking agar.io . It was so fun. Too bad people started teaming up in fucking FFA and ruined everything.

I bet everyone who does that is racist xenophobe.

Certainly! I've seen Hitler do it!

It's actually quite admirable to see someone with a disorder be so open about it.

nah, not really. especially not in the way the heartless does it

tell me the right way to do it then :D

Must be coincidence that loadout-tdm feels like lolca with respawns and loadout-ffa feels like lolca with respawns but without teams.

tfw id fixed ca by fucking over tdm/ffa

It's not the map, it's the engine. And that LG to 50hp jump is still technically possible without autohop.

ye but it was impossible to master without autohop.

call me old fashioned, but those q3 360 script rjs had more class than those abusive by autohop edges and hopping through stairs with only 2 buttons pressed and hold

Out of curiosity, have you tried that jump in the beta? It seems like something got changed and you can't do it consistently even with autohop. It's like there is something in the way that your head keeps hitting.

No

Anyone remotely good will not need autohop, it makes no difference to the game.

No, you can't consistently make that toxicity jump without autohop, you can't jump from stairs to lg on dm20 without autohop. I don't think it should be removed tho, I think maps should be fixed. It does give you advantage

how would you fix dm20 case then? its stairs + autohop combination that gives you double jump, you cant remove stairs so its have to be autohop forced to 0 imo

Its not stairs, but diagonal ledge. You can abuse autohop on most diagonal ledges, like on that ledge at lg on aero to double jump to RA.

I'm not sure if its because of a certain way that mapmakers made those ledges or it just works on any diagonal ledge. Either way I can't imagine it being unfixable

It's an engine issue, not a map issue, especially toxicity.

You could turn the stairs into a ramp.

If you don't like something, stop spending time with it.

There are other quake titles that remain true.

Act of terrorism eh? What is your reaction to a smelly fart?

community work sentence and medal of honour on completion

Its a voluntary option, I used it pql in the beginning for some tricking but now its more annoying than helpful when you accidentally double jump. Its a feature that has little purpose.

it is also a feature that allows to play maps in different way, and small details like saving a second or two (toxicity, lg to 50hp) or taking advantage in position (dm20, double jumping from stairs to lg avoiding taking stairs) are crucial imo.

Kill autohop and hmg plz.

amen

If you think that autohop gives people an unfair advantage, why the hell don't you use it yourself?
Afraid you are going to make jumps where you don't want to? If so, then using that setting seems to be a trade off and not a strict advantage.

Just because I like RG and LG more than RL doesn't mean that the RL should be taken out of the game for everyone.

And do you even have the slightest idea what massive consequences this "do everything possible to prevent item timers" policy has?
You basically cripple modding support to the point of uselessness just to prevent something in-game which everyone and his dog can use external timer apps, physical clocks, monitor features and whatever else instead. You're cutting off a leg because you have athlete's foot.

This standpoint is so short sighted that you need lenses to see your glasses....

I see discussing software aspects on public website is getting to you

It's all for the drama and precious ESR plusses.
Nobody wants to read the dry facts :)

weapon analogy was way off.. timenudge -20 on lan would be somewhat closer.

Im not not using it to cripple myself nor do i think its unfair advantage, my point being is that this feature is used in abusive manner; abusive of not perfect engine/game/maps ways, which were not meant / programmed to be.

i understand that my point is heavily biased, cause i dont see myself whining if this autohop command existed since lets say q3 physics, because i would probably made my peace by now.
and frankly, it has little to do with the fact that i personally dont like the way it feels ingame, skipping steps on stairs and so on, but moreover, that this feauture shits on mechanical point of view, cause while i comprehend the idea of holding fire (mouse1 for constant fire) or constant moving (+back) i dont really see a human performing instant double jumping action, simply since it makes a machine or a robot out of you, and no matter how advanced your input device is - there is almost no way a person can master those instant double jump actions

I'm not a movement expert, but the double-jump effect of auto-hop is imo a bug and should be addressed. There shouldn't be any sort of double jump when it's not turned on on the server.

The fact that I don't have to press/release jump 1 frame before/after landing is something I can happily live with.

fair enough

timenudge -20 on lan

which basically aims for you

just disable it... the people that do actually use it most likely use it because they are such noobs they dont even know what strafe jumping is... i find it to be a hindrance because it always fucks up the timing of my jumps so idk how it really gives people an unfair advantage, and if you are getting fucked over that bad in tox then don't play the map anymore?

i dont even play quake anymore. not about advantage. if it was, i would be whining on ppl overclocking their wmo's polling rate

most pros use it though. it gives you a huge advantage going up stairs while gaining speed and doing some jumps that are impossible without it.

I like it, it gives cool flow of movement and extra interesting ways to attack. There are other things in QL that are broken as shit that need to be adjusted.

so if autohop is ok, then autoshoot must be as well.

fix logic

We've had autoshoot since the very first doom, all quakes have autoshoot.

Do we have semi-automatic LG? Do you have to fire each MG shot individually?

Holding down mouse button to continuously shoot can be compared to holding down to continuously jump.

i don't even

If you could even, you wouldn't start a thread like this in the first place.

Do you have anything else to add that doesn't constitute of quirky one-liners?

I have balls of steel.

if timenudge is ok then autoshoot is ok

Another great post from Germany.

Its nice to get fast movement speed while I can
Strafe like always around the map.

not on my pc to test right now but i believe it CAN be forced on servers.... i remember at least 3 times where i couldnt autohop and it was because of a server being spawned without some setting.

For somebody who can actually strafe auto hop isint even noticeable, it doesn't give any huge advantage to anyone, it's pretty useless.

click a lot vs. hold down button

That's some earth-shattering shit right there.

Maybe not, but still it's something that can fuck up a lot of the game (sc2).

Anyway, autohop and loadouts are both extreme fails, as they were intended as noob features but only got abused by experienced players.

Actualy i realy like AUTOHOP it but the bug you describe is due to mappers fault. I have proof that the Aerowalk LG to RA is bugged making the jump miss very often if you do it starting from LG, i actualy have decompiled the map and watched it in GTKRadiant, there is an error made by the mapper that produce this phenomenon ingame. To go further on testing i then fixed the error and recompiled the map, the jump is then IMPOSSIBLE to miss.

I will actualy make a thread about it soon with the files!

aero bug fixed in QL beta

So your rocketjump script is allowed but not autohop?

it's even considered a big advantage in csgo which isn't so much movement based as quakelive.

i think that everything that does something for you will eventually create bad habits, just like the timers in reflex, never used them.

linking 2 jumps together is actually difficult in cs

Nope.

It will create bad habits which are especially bad in this case since actually using the cg_autohop to strafe around is alot slower than pressing jump for every jump.

The source of all of this is the delusion that implies dumbing down a game like Quake will attract new players. These guys are idiotic enough to think that by adding loadouts, putting items that recharge all weapons, adding timers on the items and making strafejumping easier with an horrendous workaround called autohop, more people will magically enjoy the game. As if they wouldn't keep getting obliterated by more skilled players.

When will you understand that Quake it's what it is, and that if someone is destined to enjoy this kind of game, this person will enjoy it without the needs of all those annoyances.

When will you understand that new players are going to keep getting destroyed by more skilled players no matter what, and that the only way to solve this is proper match making?

When will you understand that by immediate conclusion, the only thing you are doing is ruining the experience for experienced players, while not accomplishing what you originally intended to do?

Jesus H Christ.

Actually, simplifying the game in some respects probably would attract new players. CA was not originally a part of Quake at all. It was introduced and became the most popular game mode by far. Despite what people seem to think, loadouts made ffa a lot more popular, and popularity has declined since loadouts went away. That doesn't mean loadouts or autohop are good things, even if one concedes the game needs to be dumbed down to grow. Both 'features' were poorly thought out. Autohop doesn't actually make strafe jumping easier -- it makes noobs develop annoying playstyles where they hold +forward +moveup +attack all game and just bounce around while spamming. Loadouts led to massive, continuous spam from hell. So both those features are bad, not because simplifying the game is inherently bad, but because the way those things changed gameplay was bad. If there's ever a Q5, expect it to be "dumbed down" in the eyes of the old purists. If it isn't, it will be DoA.

Play Reflex. Problem solved.