If the developer doesnt care why should i

cause u want more ppl to play with/against and ppl to recognize u for ur 1337 quek skills maybe. that's like the worst argument i heard

Here's an honest and really interesting question: Should we ban atfab from ever asking another stupid question like this on esreality?

It's a good question.

Are we prone to shooting ourselves in the foot, clouded by our elitism, bitter from all the battles lost?

The hope is waning and the people tend to pull others back when they realize they won't make it to the front.

Surely not everyone is like that, but what do we really want, a huge e-sport title or a closed-circle "elite" game, carefully selected movement physics merely for the Crème de la crème?

I respect your good moderation on this forum.

But why so brony?

Did brandon hack Queen's account? So many brandon-esque posts lately from him.

sausages

Didn't buy the original Quake 3? Didn't almost all here do that?

Did we?

Those who started with Quake when Quake Live was the thing, sure, probably not, but before that, I would expect most did.

i did

I think if we welcome all the noobs into the game, the game will stop being itself. Everyone wants Quake to succeed, but it needs to succeed as a skilled pro esports game, not some noob cakewalk that anyone can play, otherwise there's no point. Noobs need to learn that this is the place of skill and path to success is going to be very long and hard, and first years they will see nothing but pwnishment and suffering, and only the best of them will ever become enlightened about the true ways of skill and esports.

So about your points:
- I don't want the playerbase to increase. People SHOULD be put off by the skill level required to play the game, no help or advice must be given to noobs, they must figure it out all by themselves, most of them must realize that they're not up to the task and only few bravest ones should dare to continue. This should be the trademark of Quake, legends of it's impossible difficulty must spread in all gaming communities and generate awe and respect.

- I don't have anything against exposure. People need to see that the games they play are noob relaxation, and quake is the ultimate mastery of gaming.

- The mere fact of making a game is not an excuse to be supported forever. If the company stop supporting the game, I have all the right to shit in their face.

Community isnt two-faced.
Many people are simply disheartened with ql.
You talk about ql 'succeeding'. Succeeding in what exactly?
Because I think that 7-yr run is still extremely good given how they let some apparently young and inexperienced devs to experiment on this game and how the Zenimax butted in and shattered many of both devs' and ours' dreams about how this game should be run and developed.
Morover after playing some more ql now I have to say its really neat sans weird netcode issues such as thru rails and delays but that will probably get sorted out .
Ql already succeeded. Not in how we wanted or how devs wanted but still it managed to stay afloat, bring in some money and give good time for everyone involved.
As to whether new quake succeeds in its goals is another story.
Remeber that gamers tend to complain a lot, thats the charm and specific of this social group. On the other hand theyre fiercely devoted to games they love. It is normal.

tbh I don't see what u see, at least not any more than in other communities

1. They don't want the game to live and prosper

or

2. Dey iz retardid yo

Seems pretty evident to me yo!

Honestly, I think the future success of the game is near irrelevant to the community's outlook, attitude and behavior.

It's only a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of the userbase/community that actually sodding contributes anything (I am not a contributor either btw), and it's these people that make the difference.

They create and support programs like wolfcam, qlranks, the new all seeing eye equiv, standalone launcher scripts, maps etc or even hosting a server is contributing. These are the people that make a difference. What percentage of the community actually does any of this?

The majority of players who have been around since quake 3 or w/e will keep on playing regardless until real life gets in the way (job/marriage/kids), no matter how shit the game gets. For them, it doesn't matter if the game/community is good/great/bad, they stay or leave depending on external circumstances.

Every one else in-between just whines, whines and FUCKING WHINES. Some leave, some stay. And they ALL do nothing about the game/community's circumstance except whine some more.

I suppose by my own definitions, this post is just more WHINE, but I do like to think there is a point in there somewhere.

Former pro members who i'd consider contributors in former ql can now use their subscription money on hosting servers or donating to community projects i.e contribute. You don't have to spend hours and hours of your free-time into the creation of a better server browser, elo-system or whatever to be contributing. Those who do deserve an immense amount of respect and gratitude though.

The answer is no.

I sense that you're one of the many who think that supporting a game you like is always worth it, even if the money goes to the people that ruined it.

What can I say to that other than that I disagree with it strongly? Yes, this view is conflicting, but so is yours. You're rewarding incompetence.

I purchased each and every version of Quake when it came out along with the expansion packs for each. I also repurchased the whole enchilada when they became available on Steam for a sale price because the discs were getting bad. I pro subscribed to Quakelive when I started playing it again last year after a period of all work no play and I don't feel I wasted a fucking cent.

i was premium but im so lazy i didnt email in order to get steam access,
i bought quakelive two time in the row in one week :)

quake cost me 100 euros in 17 years ( ok i thing i have change my pc 6 time since 1997 in order to be the first in game)

- Yes i want it to succeed.

- I want the playerbase to increase but not at the cost of noobifing the game.

- I want exposure of quakelive.

- I've bought and gifted mutiple pro subscriptions.

- Yes I want it to succeed.

- Don't care about player base because new people rarely stick with the game as they struggle to achieve respect, 125fps keeps the duel scene alive and is great entertainment, nixon covers CTF and does a great job <3

- I want exposure of cooller and agent when they stream their games, and to learn Russian at a faster rate so I can understand all of the talking, not just a few words. Although thanks to agent I have a decent grasp of Russian mat now. Spasibo moy drug :p

- I have spent $270 on QL subs for myself and some good friends, if everyone who claims to enjoy QL had done the same, maybe the devs would have supported the game servers and friends lists for longer.

- It's my birthday, and the best present would be for quake to continue for years to come ))

Awwwww happy birthday mate

ty )

Everyone who plays quake because it is quake and not because it is some new game they have came across wants it succeed, which begs to differ why did you even ask this question?. As long as it doesn't get to a point where you have to unlock zoom, or perks to make you run faster then the quake series will always have a stream of dedicated players, I think the days of arena shooters are just declining.

Games like battlefield and COD get so much exposure in comparison, so how is quake really meant to compete with them. Also consoles play there part, easier to maintain, never have to worry about "oooh will my PC run this game". Also kids dont play PC games as much as before, unless you have a guiding hand that points you in that direction, then I genuinely cannot see how a young person will get involved, especially if all their friends have consoles.

With all that said if some crisis situation happened and quake and battlefield would no longer be playable unless people donated as much as they can, you can bet your ass that by percentage of players then quake would come out on top every time.

for me Quake is just one person, COOLLER

Community is not a single thing. There are people playing each game they want to. You can ask people a question and you will get different answers. if you want people to think or do something, you have to persuade them, but mostly it is the game that has to do it.