Ah, I never thought to convert the whole map to .ase format.
Great idea, and thanks :)

edit: didn't know about switching the bsp version either thanks.
I usually just use: q3map2 -game wolf -convert -format map "path".

*category*

hahah, my brain is a nut.

I created a program to do the above steps all in one. I made it mainly for myself, but realized other people may want to mess around with this.

Since it was not meant for the public, it is quite strict in the way it works. It assumes you operate it correctly, and if one of the tools it calls hangs out for whatever reason, you may have to kill the process and restart.



Updates

I fixed quite some bugs and added a bit of features. Finally it works as intended, as shown here:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHJab_UH4hU

You can download the 64bit and 32bit binaries plus source code here.

Nice, thanks again

Could you compile 32bit version as well?
I'm having hard time installing Qt library

I don't have qt 32bit at the moment. Will do when I get on a machine with it.

Btw, you probably know this link already, but let me post it just in case.

Ok, 32bit version is up.

Thanks, binary works very well

I've managed to install Qt libraries using link you've posted, also I've installed Visual Studio plugin. I imported .pro file - however now during build it cannot find "ui_gui.h" file.
I'm not familiar with Qt projects at all, but I think that file is meant to be somehow automatically generated. What could be causing these problems? I have version 4.8.0 (add-in 1.1.10), if that matters.

That file should get generated from the gui.ui, which is now included in the pack. Sorry for missing that one.

Thanks, works fine now

Site is down, anyone able to mirror the app ?

Yes, they permanently deleted my account. I'm going to get some other space, but this has been low priority and need to find the time for it.

Can you reupload this app? Link doesnt work.

You are awesome dear good sir. Thank you!

4. Open it with the HEX editor and change the fifth byte from '2f' to '2e'. This converts the BSP version back to Q3.

That's the only difference between a Q3 and QL bsp?

Yes. Actually the method Akuma suggested is easier.

I suppose you mean Akuma? Good job on this btw.

Memento_Mori: What are you using to view the .ase model?

I'm not really familiar with modelling programs.

To visualize the model I'm using Deep Exploration, previously from Right Hemisphere and now part of SAP Visual Enterprise Author.

Ok, thanks

ok, I'm trying to do this now as a test, but it's not working for me for some reason.

OK it did not work for me no matter how many times I tried, so I started Googling, and I found this wiki, where there is a section about ase conversion which says the following:

Creating an .ase model out of brushwork
1, First, create the geometry for your model.
2, Save this file as model.map (or whatever).
3, Compile model.map with -v -meta -patchmeta in the bsp phase (if your curves look too "low-fi" add "-subdivisions 0" to the compile line. if you want it even more complex, increment the '-subdivisions' value). There is no need to run -vis or -light. You should now have model.bsp in your "maps" directory.
4, Compile model.bsp (not model.map, it should be noted) with -convert. You should now have model.ase in your "maps" directory.

And indeed, it's working:

1, I extraced every QL pak into D:\ql\baseq3 and I made the map file like this:
D:\ql\utils\q3map2.exe -game quake3 -convert -fs_basepath D:\ql -format map -v D:\ql\baseq3\maps\campgrounds.bsp

2, Then I edited the map in GTKradiant as you suggested (note that I just left one of the info_player_deathmatch there instead of creating a new info_player_start), and saved it (I named it newtest1.map)

3,then I did this:
D:\ql\utils\q3map2.exe -bsp -game quake3 -meta -patchmeta -subdivision 8 -fs_basepath D:\ql -v c:\ql\baseq3\maps\newtest1.map
D:\ql\utils\q3map2.exe -convert ase -game quake3 -v D:\ql\baseq3\maps\newtest1.bsp

I will check if there is even a more easier solution is possible when I get back home at the evening, but this one works for me at least.

ps.: Now I just have to find a converter what can convert this ASE thing into something what Maya could read, because this is still way more efficient than remodelling and retextureing the entire map from some trianglehorror .obj junk.

I'm happy it's working for you as well. Would you be able to say what steps I suggested did not work for you?

Looking at what you do, it seems we did the same. The -bsp command can be omitted as it's a default flag.

Anyways, I updated the map converter program. Look above. This should now work and simplify the work a lot.

For the conversion, Deep Exploration might help.

Thanks for the reply.

Yes I downloaded this SAP thing and it's awesome because I can export the map from there, but I still have problems.

It turned out that I was wrong yesterday when I said it's working.. because I just looking into this again now more carefully, and both approach are (since they are the same indeed) messes up some texture alignments for me.

I think the problem is at the step when the conversion to the map format occurs, because if I directly create an ASE from the original BSP, nurbs won't be translated that way, but the texture alignments will be correct .

I still don't know what am I doing wrong, because your screeny shows a QL logo on the floor with a correct alignment, while you also have the nurbs surfaces translated there:S


edit: one strange thing I noticed is that you have lots warnings in that command prompt window at the conversion while I only have 3 about the new QL surfaces (e.g.: woodsteps) and nothing else.

No, you are right about the alignment. I manually fixed the logo :)

I agree with all your points. The conversion from BSP to MAP screws the alignment. I will try and ask sync about it.

ah, ok..

The problem is that I'm trying to convert bloodrun now, where a lot of texture are wrong:(

But many thanks again!

Additionally there is the problem of lighting shader information (stuff like "_30k") stored in the texture names, ending up in the wrong texture path.

If you gonna ask Sync, please ask if there is any update about this approach.

You could try the version of Q3map2 included with NetRadiant, if you don't already have it. It's supposed to keep texture alignments when decompiling.

I've not had any luck with converting QL maps with that version, though I didn't know of the HEX editing method of changing the .bsp version then. So you may have better luck

NetRadiant

Thanks but I already tested all the versions I could find, including the one in ZeroRadiant.

I tried, but it seems to substitute textures, and messing up with the scaling.

Hello, Memento Mori,

My name is Pаnayot Sаvov and I've just registered at this Esreality forum only to contact you. I cannot send you personal message though, so I write here.

I'm an architect and a tutor in architecture at The University of Architecture, Civil Engineering and Geodesy in Sofia, Bulgaria.

I'm doing a theoretical research on space in computer games (and also in film), as I used to play Quake III Arena a lot ten or more years ago (it was 1999, actually).

Please, drop me a line on at pano[at]11am.name -- I will explain over the email why I think I need your help with maps.

Really sorry to bother you, hope you read this.

Best,
Pаnayot

Oh just found the topic :]
I made similar stuff while ago. Not the same method but something like this :]

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Hello,

I tried to import the map "Quake Live - Campgrounds" by following the 9 steps from this article.

I managed to bring the map in Deep Exploration but failed to texture it. The result is always the same : textures failed to be located.

Paths are:

1. QL PAK's unzipped in: D:\_Quake_\wolfcamql8.5\baseq3

2. Q3map 2.exe in: D:\Edit\q3map

3. Campgrounds.map in: D:\Edit\q3map
- Campgrounds.map has no entities , 1 info_player_start, is inside a big brush textured with "Caulk " then hollowed

4. I made "map_2_ase.bat" for easy conversion in: D:\Edit\q3map
- contains the following:
q3map2.exe -game quake3 -meta -patchmeta -subdivisions 2 -v campgrounds.map
q3map2.exe -convert -format ase -v campgrounds.bsp

or

- kapca's script modified:
q3map2.exe -bsp -game quake3 -meta -patchmeta -subdivision 8 -fs_basepath D:\_Quake_\wolfcamql8.5\baseq3 -v campgrounds.map
q3map2.exe -convert ase -game quake3 -v campgrounds.bsp

I tried both, I played with paths changing them in different ways but no success. In console you can see the errors, they always appear.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/q3map2verbose.jpg/


I could manually point the right locations for every texture in Deep Exploration, but I plan to import other Quake Live maps.
Maybe someone can help me :).

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/845/pathtoqlstuff.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/deepex...tures.jpg/

I cannot make a proper reply atm, but If you open the .ase file, you see the texture paths explicitly. You can try and replace whatever is there with the correct absolute path.

I replaced paths but the textures are all .tga instead of .jpg or .png.

Like I said I can manually point from Deep Exploration every texture.

Another solution would be to convert .jpg's and .png to .tga.

I attached "Campgrounds.map" just in case someone wants to test it.

Attached Misc File: 86023-campgrounds.map (1543KB)

I would make a photoshop batch action to convert all the .tga into .png

I am sorrry for my english.

It's the opposite, they are already .png and .jpg on hard-drive , in the ase they are.tga.
For some reason, during conversion if q3map2.exe doesn't find a texture it writes the texture's file name but with extension TGA.


I figure it out.
Q3map2.exe must be used in the folder which contains all QL data unzipped from PK3 files ("D:\_Quake_\wolfcamql8.5\baseq3" in my case).
If q3map2.exe converts bsp->ase in another folder, it won't find the textures and the .ase will contain wrong information about the textures.

Nice find! Thanks for sharing.