Fuck Lenin

Fuckin Len

Fuckin L

Coma kid taught me how
He'd come to follow you around
Wherever you go
Said I don't go where I'm supposed to go

And I don't go really anywhere you know
Told me how he's driven by a curse
'Til he kicked out into reverse
Said I don't go where I'm supposed to go

And I don't go really anywhere you know
I made up my mind and I don't mind saying so
I went to meet you at central square
And when I couldn't find you there

I went walking around the city some more
People watching with a cold blank stare
And I saw your face in everyone I swear
Seems I never get your kick quite right

I was walkin' slow to a dirty dive
I'm so sick and tired tryin' to change your mind
When its so easy to disconnect mine

High times
High times
High times
Yeah I feel fine
High times
High times
High times

Man I feel fine
Don't pick me up
I'm fine right where I am
I don't go where I'm supposed to go
Where I'm supposed to go

Songwriters: STEVEN P. SMITH

People with artistic inclinations should not be so much involved into politics. Having a say here and there, yes, but not putting them on the pedestal. Historians are much more likely to get decent political opinions than writers or painters. This trend of everyone having the right to touch the highest peak of power with their opinion that has started around the French revolution was only pushing Europe toward the abyss with every new "revolution". destroying the natural order that was formed through centuries of wars and fight for survival. With all the supposed injustices involved, kingdoms and empires are the natural result of states evolution, being superior forms of power. Democracy is not the result of natural evolution, and has been proven again and again that this form of government would bring down the nation -Rome and the Greek civilization are the most remarkable examples. Tolerance per se got Caesar assassinated, in the name of his so-called abuses. Napoleon after his abdication, although he encouraged immigrants to enroll into the French Army, said that in the end it was the immigrants who brought him down. In modern times, because democracy cannot build strong states, every time a democratic state would get into war, because being weak to wage the war, would call for friends, and this would escalate the conflict.
The words of Steven P. Smith show a man without orientation because he would experience his identity crisis. Especially the Americans are hit by this plague, because they lost their European roots, yet they still praise "diversity" and want more nations to be like them. Political abuses and corruption were always present, it was only the connected people who fought and brought things on the right track, with intermissions. Not knowing who you are makes it very difficult for you to see the enemy. A lucid mind would have asked instead -where I'm supposed to go -on who should I wage war, to repair the damage?

Both Lenin and Stalin are pretty underrated. The both helped modernize Russia into the superpower and Russians lived better under them than when they were ruled by czars. Russia was a backwater shithole before them.

I don't know m8. Here, Lenin is forever alive and there's a lot of stupid cunts who can't learn from history.
Dropping Lenin into soviet russia was worse than throwing nukes on yellow people.

I'm pretty worried for the world if Trump wins.







At the same time I kinda wanna see it happen O_O

Why? He lies like crazy. It's hard to even understand what he stands for. I'd say some of the stuff he says is just for shock value.

At least he is more transparent than Shillary, although that's not saying a whole lot.

I don't agree. i think they're both about equally bad though.

I don't get the lesser evil stuff when it's obvious each election cycle the candidates get worse and worse. Obama has bombed and droned more than Bush, despite the fact that many thought Obama would be better than Bush, or Bush light when he got into office. He's actually been worse.

And now candidates continue to get worse and worse. Which now has added up to candidates like Hillary and Trump.

Exactly, he's a real wild card

It's not good for people like me that are a minority group in the US :(

I doubt if a president Trump will send minorities to death camps. Just throw you in jail for life where you can work in prision for crappy wages for decades.

My sympathies :(

Not sure if serious

go outside and talk to people, see who they like and why. Or go to some websites / forums supporting them, and read what they say.

Asking esreality won't give you a good answer, especially as most here are probably sanders sympathizers

Jewish Sanders has no meme geme. Weak player - next!

eh, he's decent at it

On a serious note, Sanders is the best, but he's hopeless. At this point I support Trump, because I wanna see USA burn.

accelerationism in action, nice

Unfortunately USA has no Putin, otherwise there was an obvious option for voting :/

what's so good about Putin? just another shitty corrupt politician with self-interest in mind.

He brings stability into the country, something Russians have been missing since Gorbachev fucked the country over with his U.S.-brought policies.
Compared to the 90's Russia is heaven on earth for it's citizens right now.

Hmmm, didn't know there were any politicians not fitting the profile you described there :-)

Trump is the closest thing to Putin that USA has.

fuck you

Between the corrupt and the crazy candidates, I prefer corrupt.

Not sure where you get that Trump is crazy. He's really good at pandering to the stupid masses, and he will say whatever he has to to bring him the attention he needs. He's also not bad at finances so I don't see a problem there. Or are you one of those people who actually believe that he will go through on even 10% of the stupid things he claimed he'd do just to get attention and voters? He's not gonna become a dictator, the U.S. is still ruled by a two-house system, the president only has a fraction of the governing power he'd need to push through the retarded policies Trump is using as bait in his campaign.
Hillary on the other hand... She's whoring out to the only group of people who actually could make the U.S. go up in flames.

So I'd rather see a perceived "lunatic" in power than a worthless corporate slut.

And Trump is not a "corporate slut"...as if. They both stand for turbo capitalism, which means the masses are bleeding for the few minor super rich

What you are saying is that to see the real him then we must disregard what he has said and done across his life. Really?

Donald Trump has been a famous person since he was 10 years old. After all his dad was a billionaire as well, and Donald was saved by him many times when he started (plus starting with his dad's money). Based on 40 years of hearing him is that we know how Donald Trump thinks and who he really is. With that data is that we know Donald Trump has always been a lunatic, one that disregards all facts and that has never been into public service in his life.

Say, even, that we disregard everything he has said across his life. Well, lets look at the facts: he hasn't served in the public sector once (funny how people want an inexperienced person running the whole country but wouldn't take an appointment with an inexperienced doctor), in his presidential campaign he has contradicted facts and quotes of himself every day, his employees say he has done racist and misogynist practices, and many times he has called bankruptcy in order to avoid paying legal compensations to his employees. Those facts show who he is: a egocentric lunatic.

That's why had I still live in the US I'd vote for Hillary instead. None are a good option yes, but I'd rather choose to have an appointment with a doctor than with someone that is not. Facts show Trump has zero experience and has demonstrated zero interest in the public sector across all his life; like no other former US president ever. Then come his campaign promises, which are insane.

It's funny how people think (???) there are some kind of schools for officials.
Get high notes in presidency lessons or gtfo.

Working in the public sector is. Provides experience, contacts and shows interest in the field.

Same as with every career choice really. In the private sector, no experience = no real interest and no skills = no job. Weirdly enough, some people think having no experience is a positive thing when it comes to the public sector.

At the end of the day all they do is listen to some old jews and spread homo gay propaganda
o/

Aren't you that dude who's high all the time?

no thats me.

No, that's me.

Nukes get my vote

am I missing something?

Funny coming from .

Most people vote for one of the two products that they see the most on TV. Trump's purpose is to ensure that Madam Arkancide wins. That's about it.

People fail to understand that you don't get to be the president of the United States by accident. If nobody else, Quakers should really understand this the most.
It's the same as duel. You have to be ruthless, lethal with your opponents, you have to suffocate them, ambush them, deny them everything and generally you have to be an alpha predator to begin with.
Honor, dignity, honesty, science, etc ... the real values of humanity have nothing to do with politics, nothing at all.

That's true, sadly, but it's still abnormal and it wouldn't be possible if the media were doing their job. Fuck them and the adulterated products they are selling.

Perhaps people don't vote for Sanders because he is literally a communist

ya, except he's a social democrat.
you're a fucking moron.

If you think "social democracy" isn't a shitty way to cover "regular" socialism... daym.

You see, there is an abyss between social democracy and socialism but anything more free market than Mitt Romney is basically anarcho-capitalism.

Geddit now?

Maybe someone should introduce sex into the idea of anarcho-capitalism.
Then it wouldn't be so scary.

Something like this?

I wish I had facebook account to sign up... ; - ;

"pacmanpl"

lol. yes I really care what you have to say :) fucking neonazi Evalion fanboy. lmfao

BACK OF DUDE!!!
She's cute.

But after she said holocaust didn't happened I think we're getting a divorce...

A communist by any other name is still a communist

I don't understand the hatred people feel against Trump. It's so emotional. Even though he is no worse than any other canditate and better in many ways.

that's a really cute story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwgy5fSBBc

lmfao

btw what's up with global warming?
Is it now "climate change"?
How's trading usage of air going on in EU?

ok, here's Sanders praising bread lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc&spfreload=10

Here's Clinton lying for 13 minutes straight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

The point is that all of those creeps are undesirable. We just do what we always do and go for the lesser evil which in this case is clearly Trump

A fucking socialist the best option? You want to end like Venezuela? You need a leader with a good pair of cojones that has no fear to do whats necesary for USA.

T R U M P
R
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Make America great again

lol. retard

can't say I'm surprised, though.

stfu clueless sheep, dont you have enough problems with the corrupt leaders of Europe flooding your continent with goat fuckers? You should be caring a lot more about that than who wins in USA.

Outside of some stuff he says to get shock value (none of which he said before this election, if you watch old interviews of him) Trump is basically a standard republican.

He wasn't even against the Iraq war when it started, despite claiming that he is. (he only started speaking out against it after the war, when it became more popular too) he's your average lying politician. I don't see what's special about him.

US presidential elections and consequential policies greatly affect the rest of the world. also, muslims in US and muslims in Europe are completely different people in terms of their chance of integration into society. but you wouldn't understand that you stupid conspiritard truther flat-earther fuck.


and that's just from the past 2 months. lol

* CRICKETS *

seems like you don't fancy FACTUAL NEWS REPORTING that goes against the delusions you've made up in your head. lmfao
just keep watching those flat-earth vids

I got bored dude, your too easy and you have been too brainwashed, youre past the point of return.

Keep basing your opinions on a system that awarded a Nobel Peace Prize to Obama, sheep.

brainwashed past the point of no return? sounds an awful lot like you, nice projection. :D
you're the one advocating for Trump.
I simply gave you factual news reporting about Trump, all you have to do is click and watch, learn the facts and draw your own conclusion if you want. but you don't want that do you, you're afraid of facts, you'd rather keep the delusions going.
I know you have all the time in the world, you've had all the time in the world so far to watch flat earth shit, staged moonlanding and chemtrails. :D

Nitpicking details to show people in bad image is pretty easy, or talking in a bigger sense, doing something without mistakes is nearly impossible while finding mistakes in others work is super easy.

I never said Trump is a saint or perfect, just that from the available options, he is the one that can help USA recover those 50millions or so in food stamps and thousands of closed industries, while stopping the illegal invasion of their country, similar to what Mexico does with Honduras.

<- Goat fucker here, what seems to be the problem?

Trump's energy and oil policy was borderline communist even though I am sure he is so stupid he didn't realize.

Venezuela is crashing because they were passing incredibly stupid laws. That was not socialism. That was just stupidity. A lot of there laws don't even make sense. Plus from what I have read they were semi communist. They only candidate that has expressed communist policy is Trump.

Every one of the socialist experiments ended with an uber rich oligarchy and super poor poeple. Fact.

A fucking Tupamaro was your president for five years.

Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. Sanders is a social democrat not a Stalinist, you dumbfuck.

lmao mash, the self proclaimed expert in intrnational affairs that enjoy letting goat fuckers rape their women. Fucking clueless sheep.

kek

Isn't the Tupamaro responsible for the fact that you can smoke more pot than it's healthy for you?

FUCKING LEFT WING SCUM

Get out of your basement and read a book in the sun.

I would trade that for a goverment that doesnt sustracts a big chunk of my earnings to support socialist scum like ni-nis (comes from joining "no" and "si" [yes in spanish] that doesnt works or study, and to the families of criminals that have lots of kids and with each generation harbors more and more future delincuents), where the international PISA educational tests have steadly gone down to record low levels, with record criminality, with a socialized health care were its a super mediocre health care BUT for everyon! hurray!

Always going to the lowest common denominator. Not when being corrupt tho! Our "PETROBRAS", ANCAP, has lost 800 million dolars with them, never making gas cheaper when crude went down, we have the most expensive gas in LA. A state monopoly of a first need item, all the gas of the other companies goes trough ANCAP, the ex president of ANCAP, current vice president of the republic lying about being a graduate in CUBA, with a title that never even existed, he doesnt admits it, doesnt resigns, keeps traveling to distant countries to 5 stats hotels and to staty in the most expenseive rooms while they just upped the wage tax, when they promised in 2014 that they woulnt raise taxes.

The fact tha Mujica gets so much international press is a clear sign for anyone enlightened about the system, that hes another criminal, in fact he kidnapped robbed and killed when they tried to overcome a democratic government in the late 60s till in 1973 a coup took place cause the situation was off limits. Before that Uruguay was known as the Switzerland of America.

Eat shit and die, cunt.

I already figured that solidarity means nothing to you. It's pretty common for racist fucks.

Also people get the politicians they deserve.

Is forced "solidarity" worth anything?

It's worth a great deal of money, actually.

What do you mean forced? Do you have health care in poland? Unemployment insurance? Can you afford schools and universities?

Does it feel forced to you?

Let me give you what I think is an analogous hypothetical:

Let's say I live in a district ruled by a group of people. They come every now and then to collect their tribute. If i don't pay, my tribute goes up or something equally unpleasnt happens - maybe they even lock me in a cage if my objecting to pay gets serious enough (as determined by them). To give them some legitimacy, part of the money taken from the population is being used to provide services of questionable quality, as, unsurprisingly, no other group can provide them in the district.

Doesn't it feel forced to you?

now let's say this entity doesn't exists or stops existing.

The toughest kids on the block realize they dont have to do anything but starting to beat you up unless you give them what they want and they give 0 services to you.
The infrastructures decay over time and you can't do what is considered basic shit anymore. Or they are actually methodically destroyed by those who want to keep you in place. Every time something of note happens, if they can control it -> they take the benefits, if they cant -> it gets stifled and stopped, brutally.
In the meantime the new generation just wants to kill them but sistematically end up replacing them.

now what's forced and what is not?

The question was whether the arrangement I described is forcible or not. I don't know what your story is about, because it in the very first sentence assumes away my arrangement.

I can think of another analogy:

Slavemaster has a slave and lives off the fruits of his labour. The slavemaster spends part of the wealth he took from the slave on making sure the slave is fed, healthy and has a roof over his head.

Forced? Apparently mash would have to say no, because these are exactly the points he raised against pacman.

Well, but that only works if we assume that every authoritiy whatsovever is as equally evil as a slavemaster.

I don't believe that.

Nothing I wrote was about evil or the degrees of it. There are better and worse authorities, as probably there were better and worse slavemasters.

My point is that even the most lenient authority rests on force, in the same way as even the most lenient slavemaster rested on force.

Why are you talking about feelings?

Because those are run by extremist nut jobs who are passing insane laws. That has nothing to do with what Bernie wants to do. By saying that your trying to make a false point. The things Bernie wants to do are working great in other countries like Canada, Sweden, Norway, Germany, and a few others.

Most people don't want tax hikes and socialism, Especially not in the USA. Most of the people in the democratic party are too moderate for sanders's positions, and they would rather see something more similar to what Obama is doing.

Except for the hard-core christian ones, conservatives are not satisfied with their party. Trump sounds extreme with all the media paying attention to him, but he can appeal to poor whites much better than conservatives like Ted Cruz can with all his talk about bringing jobs back from the Chinese. In the end, policy talk about creating more jobs is more important to his voter base than taking a christian stance on social issues like Cruz.

If you have to ask why people like the more moderate candidates, you probably don't meet very many people who aren't sanders supporters. It just sounds like you are having a hard time entertaining other political ideas.

I don't think that's the case at all. If it wasn't for voter fraud and undemocratic super delegates then Sanders would of gotten the nomination.

Libertarian retardedness is just a fringe minority.

and LoL at Clinton and Trump being moderate candidates. Unless your afraid of minorities taking your wife/lilly white daughter and guns or a candidate that has no problem waging murderous wars and having no problem shipping jobs overseas. They both have said they would not rule out using nuclear weapons, which could trigger a nuclear war that could end up killing off everyone. Did you know Hillary is campaigning with Madeline Albright, who said it was worth killing 500,000 dead iraqs (due to sanctions) back in the 90s when she was secretary of state? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

I don't think that's the case at all. If it wasn't for voter fraud and undemocratic super delegates then Sanders would of gotten the nomination.

It is a close race, but I think Hillary is a bit more popular. Her stances are all about minorities, which is a lot easier for someone to digest than socialist economics, which most people don't understand.

I don't think that its voter fraud that caused sanders to get less regular delegates, but I don't read about why sanders supporters think their candidate isn't winning. Maybe you could elaborate?

Trump is a lot more moderate than the media makes him look, at least on social issues he is closer to the center than the rest of the GOP.

Did you know Hillary is campaigning with Madeline Albright, who said it was worth killing 500,000 dead iraqs (due to sanctions) back in the 90s when she was secretary of state?

How many people do you think know about that? To the average democratic voter, things about Hillary's email server or her ideas about war get written off in their heads as conspiracy theories. Hillary looks a lot more moderate than she is when the worst thing that gets shown on TV about her is the email server.

What is so moderate about wanting to building a great wall of china on the Mexican border? Or in general showing a fear against immigrants or muslims?

what's so moderate about calling for a complete ban of muslims?

What's so moderate about suppoting torture or torturing even the families of the suppose terrorist?

what so moderate about wanting to use nuclear weapons?

whats so moderate about not wanting to do anything about the US's insane gun culture?

what's so moderate about calling climate change a fraud?

What's so moderate about saying you were against said wars when evidence show that originally you supported them?

What's so moderate about the Ayn Rand, I got mine so fuck everyone else economic ideology?

What's so moderate about wanting wall street to regulate itself?

what's so moderate when you say that women that perform abortions should be subjected to some type punishment?

I mean, if you lived in Nazi Germany or think the Nazi's had it right, then some of those policies would be ok. But I think many would not see those as "moderate" positions.

When these positions become popular, they become moderate.
Maybe you should look at why people support these positions instead of how they sound from your perspective.

I doubt many of his voters agree with everything that he says. But they agree with enough of his positions to vote for him.

The germans thought Hitler was worth supporting for a period of time, too. Look at how it ended up working for them.

Goodwin's law.

Hitler would be better if he wasn't socialist.

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"What is so moderate about wanting to building a great wall of china on the Mexican border? Or in general showing a fear against immigrants or muslims?"

"What's so moderate about suppoting torture or torturing even the families of the suppose terrorist?"

What's so moderate about wanting wall street to regulate itself?

Are you saying the current administration run by a cool black guy are a bunch of extremists? Oh, heavens ;)

I've never praised Obama. I think he is terrible as well. I even said that I think in some ways he's even worse then George W Bush in this very thread.

Ok, but I asked you if they are extremist, not if they are good.

Of course. But most presidents don't openly call a certain group (mexicans) rapist and murderers and want to use nuclear weapons to solve conflicts.

so yeah, I think in his own way Obama is and extremist. He's not open about it and flaunts it like Trump in regards to deportation. Obama doesn't want to build a great wall of China like Trump does. I think Trump could lead to racial violence in the US like noone before him would. I also think Trump along with clinton would be more likely to use nuclear weapons to solve problems then the current president. Basically, pick which poison is worse.

I think a better approach would be to view politicians as vote and influence maximizers without pronounced views ( it isn't a crackpot idea after all) rather than be surprised at their unthinkable turnarounds when in office. Their views are irrelevant when it comes to overturning the institutional incentives of growth of government.

Some people think this is the way Trump maximizes his chance of winning and I find it unlikely that Hillary wouldn't use the same trick if it her their public image and gave additional votes.

WIth Bernie it works a bit differently. Other than branding himself as a socialist, which so far is a shot in the foot in America, he says nothing that voters find controversial or requiring deeper thought, so he has success in getting support by speaking his mind and being in contrast to the two sociopaths at center stage.

When someone says they want to build a great wall of china on the border, wants to ban muslims, calls certain people rapist and murderers and has ruled using nuclear weapons as a means to wage war, then yes, I take them seriously, regardless of motivations or what other might think. I do not want someone to be resident of the US if they say such things./ Regardless of motivation. What he said wasn't only contrversial, but dangerous. Noam Chomsky has called him the most dangerous candidate in US history. And that says a lot. What do you think will happen with race relations if he became president? These riots you see in his rallys could get vastly more ugly if he became president. What if he actually does think using nuclear weapons is a good way to wage war? Could this unleash possibly world war 3? What if he tries to be militaristic and bully a nuclear power like China or Russia?

Did you know that Trump used to have ties with and actual mafia? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/25/1463...-The-Mafia Trump isn't only controversial, he's extremely dangerous.

I don't know why you feel the need to present Trump in a terrible light to me. I can't know if you follow my posts on political philosophy here, but I am against the very idea of institutionalized violence, let alone someone whose only consistent position is "I'll use the institutionalized violence perfectly because I'm that great".

What I question, though, is the bizarro world of maintaining he's without a shadow of a doubt a bigger threat than the criminal with a record (Obama, Bush, Wilson, Lincoln, Truman, Albright, Clinton, the list goes on and on).

Yes, the perspective is lost when you equate the head of a regime responsible for waging war over tariff collection (Lincoln), being okay with a hunger blockade of Germany that starved hundreds of thousands of people (Wilson), invading a country based on a blatant lie (Bush), drone bombing innocent people (Obama) etc. with someone whose only wrongdoing so far is tapping into sentiments of bigotry to get the votes.

I haven't seen you compare Trump to Hitler, but if you do, my point about lost perspective is even stronger.

He may turn out to be qualitatevily worse than all the aforementioned. The transgressions of governments get more bold as the public looks for solutions to government.

Aren't you into that libertarian/ron paul nutbaggery? heh, maybe i'm thinking of someone else.

Ron Paul think the United States was founded on liberty, when in reality it was founded on expansion, war, exploitation and genocide.

Either way, I've never praised any of those others that you've mentioned. I think their all horrible people. Just like I think Trump is a horrible person. I don't care to argue who is the greatest evil of them all. They're all fucking scum. I just know Trump is a very scary evil based off of what he's has said during teh campaign and what he would like to do. If you think Trump is some sort of lesser evil then go ahead. I really don't give a shit to debate that. Have a good day.

Wow, talk about a discussion taking a quick turn for the worse.

Yes, I'm a libertarian.

"Most of these big corporations just care about one thing: profit.

That's why so many of them moved to the 3rd world where they pay people 25 cents and hour.

This whole free market deregulation crap is just corporate propaganda. They don't care about people's well beings. They don't care about workers safety or rights. They don't care about climate. They care about making as much money as possible."

You on the other hand benefit from products manufactured by companies which according to you violate workers' rights in poor countries. Apparently you weigh access to a computer more than a clear conscience. Shouldn't that cast a dark shadow on what you say and discredit you completely in a discussion on a loosely related topic?

I don't think the approach of "I'm moral and right. People who disagree must be fascists or crazy" will help you win adherents to anything you stand for and try to promote.

So I'll try to go back to the main point, if you don't mind. Why is Trump the extraordinary extremist when in today's day and age the most mainstream politicians have their fingerprints over torture of innocents, deportation based on ethnicity and corporate welfare?

"Ron Paul think the United States was founded on liberty, when in reality it was founded on expansion, war and genocide."

As opposed to all the other societies of the 18th century with unwavering respect for human rights...

We have brains to grade two wildly suboptimal outcomes - freedom from oppression for the king and nobility on one hand and freedom from oppression for all white men on the other. Why don't we use them and build on that?

"You on the other hand benefit from products manufactured by companies which according to you violate workers' rights in poor countries. Apparently you weigh access to a computer more than a clear conscience. Shouldn't that cast a dark shadow on what you say and discredit you completely in a discussion on a loosely related topic?"

You really showed him with your killer argument rofl.

So did you rofl rofl.

edit: in case you don't understand, let me spell it out. If he claims me being libertarian casts a shadow on my points about trump vs hillary, then I can bring up a contradiction and use it to discredit his points on an unrelated topic. I just pointed out a non-argument. Of course I don't think it discredits him lol.

I can even make my killer argument simpler for you.

"Aren't you using the fruits of sweatshop labour? Don't talk to me about the morals of trump and hillary then. Bam killer argument".

I see. Indeed it was not clear to me that part was not meant to be serious. Please carry on. :)

Are you kidding me? That is a joke. Sanders has spent his adult life fighting for for racial equality and civil rights. Please take a look at this . https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders Also Hillary has done nothing for any of the minority except get the three strikes law passed. Which has put many minorities in prison for non violent crimes. She also used racially coded language calling young black men "super predators". She also wants to put up a wall which is a pointless waist of tax money.

I got that idea from watching one of the debates where she spent almost the whole time going on about minorities. I'll bet that a lot of minorities who were tuning in and didn't do their research got that idea, too.

The bottom line is, how many minorities are aware are people of Sanders's civil rights record? What does that count for if according to this news article, she walked away with 75% of the black vote on super Tuesday?

Well it doesnt beyond getting the facts straight. Sanders has been way to humble about what he has done in the past and I think that has hurt his campaign. Sanders polling with minorities has been improving.

I think that's part of why he isn't winning the primaries right now, he didn't really fight for it as hard as he needed too.

You muricans talk about elections as if it was a football match. You're not serious. Respect for you tho, with your CA tutorials you can say whatever you want.

Whats a serious way to talk about it? I don't know how Europeans do their politics.

The point is that you're discussing on the method by which a candidate could gather votes instead of discussing about the actual content of a candidate's program. Your television debates, your supporting a candidate with signs in your garden, all sounds more like a boxe fight. Even in Europe there are some of this aspects and I don't like them, but it's not so exagerated.
Oh, and the fact that you can only choose between two sides that are actually the same, extreme liberalism, doesn't help me to understand why USA is considered "land of freedom and democracy".

I guess I haven't noticed this too much. We did talk about the program, but a big part of it is how well you can represent it on TV

Why do you think both sides are both extreme liberalism? They seem different to me.

He probably means liberalism the way it's understood in Europe, which in America you'd call classical liberalism or libertarianism, which in turn makes the point even more hilarious :D

Is American politics that far off from Europe? We have a libertarian party that we can think of as an example of extreme liberalism like that. But I wouldn't say that the main parties are like that at all.

Let me put it this way: US democrats would be considered pretty right, neo-liberals if they were in EU. Sanders would be center/left, social-democrat.

All I was commenting on is the terminology. In America Dennis Kucinich is a liberal, whereas if you were looking for someone who represented liberal views in the classical (=European) sense, it is Ron Paul.

You're obviously right that the two big parties aren't for the free market. That is why I said his point was hilarious ;)

I sincerely don't understand what's hilarious, can you explain it to me?

Define the way you understand 'extreme liberalism' and how you measure the degree to which a group of people advocate it, because maybe I'm missing something.

I admit it, it was my bad. For my point of view there is no good side of liberalism, so I tend to put all in the same definition. In this sense in USA there is no choice and I don't consider it such a brilliant democracy.

I still can't understand where you see any advocacy of economic freedom by the Democrats. Republicans? OK, they tend to pay lip service to it to score political points while steadily increasing budgets, so if someone goes by what they say, I guess they are in that sphere liberal.

Of course any hint of liberalism is immediately gone when they cheer for mass murder of innocent people.

You muricans talk about elections as if it was a football match.

I've made this comparison many times and so have lots of other people in America. It's a big circus show.

I think that's part of why he isn't winning the primaries right now, he didn't really fight for it as hard as he needed too.

which is a lot easier for someone to digest than socialist economics, which most people don't understand.

Are you saying people understand current economics? And what are these anyway? Healthcare, free education and a proper social welfare system? What is there to not understand?
Calling theses policies 'socialist' with all its old and negative connotations is stupid beyond belief.

Sanders has described himself as a socialist- so what else would you call his policies? I'm not trying to twist words with that.

You're right, it is easy to understand, I was not making very good points there. But I think most people hear "self-described socialist" on the news and don't bother to look at how valid his policies might be unless they are already left-wing anyway.

He describes himself a a democratic socialist and his policies are social-democratic policies.

Which has nothing to to with communism or socialism (as it is percevied in America).

Don't you think it is a problem if people hear 'socialism' and don't bother too look further?

Healthcare an tuition free universities have nothing to do with Stalins gulags.

Isn't Stalin's gulags associated with Communism and not Socialism? I don't think anyone makes that connection with Sanders.

The media leaves the "democratic" out of "democratic socialism" when talking about him- that probably hurts his popularity. But really by using that word in any way you are basically identifying yourself as a more extreme candidate.

I think that most people know what socialism is, and the people who tune out know that they don't want it. A lot of people in the USA are opposed to socialist policies, which is why things like Obamacare are so controversial.

The tax hike will be on corporations not so much individuals. The taxes for universal health care will save most people money rather than costing them money. We plan to spend 1 trillion revamping our nuclear systems even though they don't need them. Why are people forgetting all the tax money we are flushing down the toilet on military spending and securing our border instead of coming up with a viable alternative. Sanders also wants to get our jobs away from china. Bernie Sanders recently gave a speech in Anaheim about how Disney is having all there cloths made in China and shipped back to the US.

yes, Bernie has talked about the shipping off jobs off to the 3rd world and wanting to reverse that. Donald Trump on the other hand has shipped some of his jobs off to the 3rd world where people re paid slave wages. My guess is that he would not change this if elected president, despite his rhetoric. He's already lied and flipped flopped so much already.

It's the same thing with his views on wars. Back in late 2002 on Howard Stern he said he was for the iraq war. It wasn't until most people turned against the iraq war that he flipped his opinion. Granted, I don't mind people changing their views over time. But he';s lying when he said that he opposed it from the start. Granted, most politician lie, but Trump isn't some special candidate fighting against the establishment like many like to think he is.

Sanders has said that there will be tax increases for the middle class when asked about it. And most people who aren't on the the left don't want nationalized healthcare regardless.

Candidates like Trump support healthcare for everyone too, just without turning it into a government institution, so people on the right are not worried about healthcare going down the drain with him in office. You can read his stances on healthcare
here.

Trump also wants countries that the USA has army bases in to pay him to defend them, its not like everyone has forgotten how much money we blow on the army. Securing our border saves us money in the long run since less illegal aliens will be able to take advantage of our welfare state.

And yes, Sanders wants the jobs back from china, but Trump just talks about it a lot more. You have Trump constantly talking about China in his campaign, and while they agree on China, I think more people know about Trumps ideas about bringing jobs back from China since its a bigger part of his campaign.

I don't know too much about what kinds of positions Hillary has on those issues, but I know what Trumps position is on those issues and why Trump supporters (like me) would vote for Trump instead.

Your ideas I can understand. But I disagree with. Point 3 seems good. But the rest is basically deregulation and then hoping the insurance companies do the right thing which they likely won't.

Most of these big corporations just care about one thing: profit.

That's why so many of them moved to the 3rd world where they pay people 25 cents and hour.

This whole free market deregulation crap is just corporate propaganda. They don't care about people's well beings. They don't care about workers safety or rights. They don't care about climate. They care about making as much money as possible.

likewise do you think that the government gives two shits about the 'well being' of you or any other member of public? the only reason they pander to these government funded projects like free health care and free education is because they know that is what will secure them votes. just because it's a popular idea doesn't mean that the government actually gives a shit about how it helps people.

in the uk it costs £7k+ per year to treat a specific cancer patient yet the NHS refuses treatment on the grounds that it is 'too expensive', despite some of the patients already having paid their £7k in a year through national insurance.

does the government care? no it doesn't. it's not even their money that they are spending. the most efficient form of spending is spending your own money on yourself and the most inefficient form of spending is spending other people's money on other people.

where are you going to find these angels? (c) Friedman

A lot of the proposed policy changes in the link to Trump's position on healthcare involve increased regulation of insurance companies.

I'm glad that I could help answer you about why someone would support Trump, hopefully you get an answer about Hillary too.

Voting...heh.

Trump, I'm tired of living in a world where 3rd world freeloaders just grow up wanting to jump ship.

Without someone like Trump in charge of any relatively well off country from now on, you're just going to get swamped by 3rd world shit like Europe is.

Don't listen to the lefties, they will lead you to destruction.

Here is the thing not everyone has it as good as others. Some people work more than 40 hours a week and get less. These people are not freeloaders they work harder than most and get less because our economy and political system is bought by the most wealthy. Watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RBcG3SWPU Bernie wants to change this.

Some people are just fascist. They don't give a shit a bout minorities and whatnot. Or rights for them. That's the way a lot of Trump supporters are. They want muslims out of the country. They want mexicans out of the country. They want a big ass wall at the border. They want a police state to put the negros in line. It's going to be hard to change their minds. They know what he represents. They don't give a shit about minorities or worker rights. As long as they have it good, they don't care. Just how some people are man. That's their ideology. And they know what it means.

It's worth remembering the US was a country that was founded on genocide and exploitation. And although not as bad as back then, some of this ideology can still be seen in the US today. From the war on drugs, to the perpetuals wars, to corporate expolitation of workers.

What's wrong with the indigenous looking after themselves?

What is this fucking BS I keep seeing (especially of late) where everyone in the world expects to get a free ride in the USA/EUROPE/UK and they'll pay for it?

All they have to do is jump on a boat or a plane and its free health, free house, free money, free big screen tv, free gadgets, and we'll pay for your kids too, welcome to the west, the most gullible fucking idiots on the planet.

People are thankfully waking up and realise they are being taken for a ride. No matter what they do, cunts like you will always call them rotten.

Its time for a change.

Are u seriously trying to have a real discussion with jamerio? U must be new here :D

THIS

Jamerio knows.

That new London mayor seems pretty cool, don't u think? :D

I don't know who's that yet but I'm guessing it's some dirty muslim?
<3
Gotta google.

Wow, much surprise.
Very allah akbar.
gg no re

Yes he is muslim :)

"Trump, I'm tired of living in a world where 3rd world freeloaders just grow up wanting to jump ship."

*Lives in brothers basement* :ok_hand:

Seeing as what happened to the Soviet Union, when will it be US's turn?

It was in 2008, but we passed a law saying it wasn't =]

Clinton is gonna leave everybody a bad taste in america and it will be all about feminism. Trump will actually do shit that he's willing to do (except he's a racist) which is why i would vote for him.

Hes not racist, he doesnt want undocumented people ilegally entering his country, something any sane leader should do for their people.

banning all muslims, 1/4 of the worlds population, from the country not racist at all yo!

No it isnt, muslims arent a race, ignorant fool.

Dude we're living in a world were CIA's Mossad's etc. made muslims the most hated people on earth.
The only way, at that point, to make people save is restrain islam from basically existing.

gg murrica
o7

Meawhile in China, rising 21 century superpower..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/chin...514754.cms

Good for China then.

They're investing in a couple of African countries too, making them have absurdly good economic growth the past couple of years. So that's nice.

When they stop becoming the most empirically linked demographic to causing harm to people, then its racist.

Until then, its just an inconvenient truth.

When they stop becoming the most empirically linked demographic to causing harm to people, then its racist.

Until then, its just an inconvenient truth.

Source.

Its common knowledge mate, you even belive it yourself, I'll prove it in front of the world.

I'll bet you $250 the next terror attack in either the USA/UK/EUROPE which kills 10 or more people is be someone who is.

i) Muslim.
ii) Brown Eyes.
iii) Dark Skin.
iv) Has less than a 100 year family history in this country.

I need to get all 4 points to win.

You just need it NOT to be a muslim to win.

Accept the bet and I'll prove you wrong and win 250 dollars.
Deny the bet and the whole world knows you're full of shit.

If you believed it to be untrue.
If you belive trump to be a racist.
If you belive me to be wrong.

This should be easy money for you. yet I somehow get the impression taking on this very generous bet is going to prove problematic. Tell you what, you only need to pay $50 to my $250 if you lose?

What do you say?

I bet you 1000 euros that next airstrike on a hospital is going to be executed by a christian nation.

Edit: I forgot Israel. Israel could also do it

And I bet the next country that welcomes in hundreds of thousands of 3rd world people from that country is a christian one also.

You gotta break some eggs to make an omelette, I would rather die as a result of someone trying to rid my country of a cancer and getting caught up by accident, than die by the cancer myself.

You mean like Jordan taking in 600k or Turks taking in 3 million? BTW can't you see that bombing always comes first and then the refugees? Who the fuck chose to be rid of cancer? Why dont western countries rid SA or Katar of cancer? Oh right... I hope someone breaks an egg and forces you to work for once in your life, you worthless, leeching, sad little man. Is your father still paying you to lose weight, or did you fail at that too?

Turks taking in a few million, while using it to try and barter to come into the EU and taking a shitload of money. How noble of them.

So these places should be in, their you're fellow muslims and have a lot more in common with those places that being here.

Refugees come from bombing yes, and bombs come from something else. The US are not bombing hospitals for fun, its called collateral damage. Better to die at the hands someone to kill the cancer within, than from the cancer itself.

There are OTHER issues which justify them being there.

I take it your insane attempt at getting personal is you losing.

Bombing comes from interests, there are worse places than lybia or Syria that are not bombed. And who are you to decide if its better for someone to die. You're an entitled brat and my attack on you for being a worthless leecher has to do with you frequently accusing immigrants of leeching while you're the perfect example of a domestic leecher. Let's face it Jameiro, you're not concerned about the potential terror threat. You're afraid of falling second in life to not only your country men, but also to people who came with nothing to a place as foreign to them as a job is to you. Then those last bits of ego and unjustified sense of superiority you posses will shatter and you'll finally have to face the fact that you are a good for nothing waste of flesh. Cheers

How am I domestic leecher, when I'm living in my own (INDIGENOUS) country, I pay rent, not on any benefits and have worked since 18?

If that makes me a leecher then fine. I think that just makes you seem dumb.

I'm afraid of falling second best to immigrants?
HAHA.

Yeah, how i long to move to the armpits of Europe and Africa and trade nationalities!

They are only here because their own demographic of people and leaders has FAILED to afford them a decent quality of life in their own country.

What's the minimum wage in Croatia?
395.61 EUR per month
In my country its.
1,378.87 (and rising sharp!)

Immigration abuse is the most cared about topic for discussion in the UK, you make out like I'm some kind of isolated exception to the subject and just invented a load of hysterical reasons on why that might be the case.

I'm sure you have an awesome future ahead of you in Croatia :)

Situation in the middle east is a result of western interference and fucking with legitimate governments on Afghanistan, Iran and the likes by western countries throughout 20th century. That shit gave power to radical religious groups, which were "endorsed by the west. Middle east is the cradle of civilization, they had big cities, developed culture, studied science, all while you were gathering berries in Britain. Now after you fucked up their last whole century, you think theyl juat fuck off? Well now its time you ate all the shit you dumped on em. And speaking about my prospects in Croatia, it could be a lot better, but its not all that grim for me. Not all of Croatia is poor and when were talking about wages you have to consider that the cost of life is not as high as it is in england. On top of that I live in a beautiful tourist town that has 260 sunny days per year, I own my house, it takes me 3 minutes of walking to get to the beach and I have more than enough money to get by.

BTW good to see that you had 2k cash at one point in your life. I've never seen that kind of money in my life. Maybe some day, if I work hard enough, I'll be able to make a similar video :)

Its common knowledge mate, you even belive it yourself, I'll prove it in front of the world.

I'll bet you $250 the next terror attack in either the USA/UK/EUROPE which kills 10 or more people is be someone who is.

i) Muslim.
ii) Brown Eyes.
iii) Dark Skin.
iv) Has less than a 100 year family history in this country.

I need to get all 4 points to win.

You just need it NOT to be a muslim to win.

Accept the bet and I'll prove you wrong and win 250 dollars.
Deny the bet and the whole world knows you're full of shit.

If you believed it to be untrue.
If you belive trump to be a racist.
If you belive me to be wrong.

This should be easy money for you. yet I somehow get the impression taking on this very generous bet is going to prove problematic. Tell you what, you only need to pay $50 to my $250 if you lose?

What do you say?

Common knowledge, really? Stop using words like empirical when what u really mean is "I think." Here's some actual empirical evidence: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/common...iation.png . I'm kinda dissapointed in myself that I first accepted your bet. Guess I'll chalk it up to not having woken up yet to see how disgusting it is to bet money on the death of others.

Are you going to accept the bet, or hide behind some false moral compass?

Ever keen to please, I'll donate my winnings to a chairty related to such a disaster, and you can do the same.

So now betting is a good thing.

I look forward to your acceptance of the bet.

No, I won't bet money on the death of others.

Why would I need to anyway? It should be easy for u to prove your claims right? Stating "it's common knowledge" doesn't count btw.

Eagerly awaiting empirical proof :)

You're not betting on the death of others, you're betting on the PHYSICAL AND RELIGIOUS profile of the those who did it.

After you said trump was a racist for suggesting what would be effective measures in reducing the likelihood of home grown terror.

See I knew you wouldn't accept, you're just like all the other low intelligent trump haters, you have your own objectives.

But as soon as someone strips out your bullshit and lays it bare, you demonstrate the same so called racism that trump has, only you lie and pretend you're doing it for moral purposes!

By accepting the bet, you show that you really belive in what you say.
AND, you get to raise to $250 for the victims.

U can spin it however u want :)

Fact is I'm the only one who has posted actual evidence on the matter. Why is it so hard for u to give a rebuttal? Could it be that your claims hold no empirical truth? It's a basic principle of democracy that any person, let alone a religion, is innocent until proven guilty. With that in mind, where's your proof? And again, "it's common knowledge" doesn't count haha xD

All the evidence is you refusing a bet, which even when stacked in your favour (if what you said was true and you believed it), is something you don't want to go near.

That's all the evidence people need to know about what you really think in spite of your hilarious graphs.

You won't have to wait long, impending bump!

Statistics from Europol are hilarious now? Your forfeit is noted :) gg.

EUROPOL, is just another corrupt arm of the EU.
Which is in tatters.

I wouldn't trust a lick of shit that comes out of that collapsing castle.

I do however (as do many others) trust things like people ducking bets, which reflect how they really feel about something.

EUROPOL, is just another corrupt arm of the EU.
Which is in tatters.

I wouldn't trust a lick of shit that comes out of that collapsing castle.

Final nail in the cofffin hahahah just wow! XD

Europol is run by the EU, an organisation which ironically 60 something percent of EU citizens DO NOT TRUST based on a poll of over 32,000 people.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/new...-trust-eu/

So if your trump card was placing blind faith in a subsidiary of an already conceited, corrupt and almost unaccountable hierarchy of cunts currently importing civil war into Europe and making laws every day which affect your life which you have no idea about, then good luck with how well that sentiment sits with others :)

I think for most people, your blind faith in the EU, and your refusal to accept a bet which shows you have a shred of belief in your views without ducking and hiding, even when heavily rigged in your favour shows what you really feel about the things you say.

All this thread needs now is a nice bump which proves me right, so unless you have anything else to add other than you pulling data from an organization most people do not trust and ducking a bet, lets just wait and see who comes out on top :)

Sixty percent of Europeans "tended not to trust the EU", according to Eurobarometer, a public opinion service of the European Commission, which released its spring findings this week.

In case u were wondering, the European Comission is also part of the EU. So these results are, according to u, untrustworthy.

I just love debating u, I really do xD

The news from EU about EU is assymetrically biased. The good news about themselves is suspect, the bad news isn't (or not for this particular reason at least).

It's as if ISIS said "ISIS is bad" and someone used the argument "Even ISIS says they are bad.".

I'm helping out Jamerio. Le Pen 2016!!!!!! :D

That's not the point. Jamerio won't debate within the regular bounds of reason, so normal rules for academia don't apply.

I simply used his own words against him:

I wouldn't trust a lick of shit that comes out of that collapsing castle.

#REKT

Fair enough.

rekt*khan

hey i cant be bothered to read ur entire arguemnt but if ur dismissing a source that jamerio discredits as untrustworthy, arent you admitting that hes correct when using his argument against himsefl???? he may be a hypocrite, but you seem to be agreeing that the european comission is untrustworthy!!

More than anything I'm making fun of his stupidity :P

The reason Europol/EU was brought up was because I used a graph from Europol to provide data on terrorism in Europe in recent times. The lack of trust is a result of "economic crisis, record unemployment and five eurozone bailouts," not paranoid suspicion that every single piece of information or data provided from any branch of the EU was false. Or as Jamerio would put it:

EUROPOL, is just another corrupt arm of the EU.
Which is in tatters.

I wouldn't trust a lick of shit that comes out of that collapsing castle.

hey im not denying that jams a hypocrite, its quite super obvious. what seemed to happened was that you dismiss his link for the exact with his reasoning, almost as making him a hypocrite is also making him losing the argument!!

So u done? Did I come out on top? Hahahaha I can't believe u litterally dug your own grave on this one xD

My only goal was to put you into a position where you would.

A) Accept the bet and I win money and prove you wrong.

B) Get you to refuse the bet and expose you to the public who doesn't really belive in the things you say and discredit you as a person.

I got you to point B) which is like me taking your soul, at least if you choose point A) at worst it was a few dollars. People would have at least respected you for putting your beliefs into play.

You folded. Now neither I or the public belive anything you say.
Ever.

If you think that means I dug my own grave, then I guess the beauty of exposing you as someone who says things he does not belive in makes you powerless.

You got rooted harder than AshleyMadison.com

Lets hope it ends better for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-zDIxNht4&t=5m25s

My only goal was to put you into a position where you would.

A) Accept the bet and I win money and prove you wrong.

B) Get you to refuse the bet and expose you to the public who doesn't really belive in the things you say and discredit you as a person.

I got you to point B) which is like me taking your soul, at least if you choose point A) at worst it was a few dollars. People would have at least respected you for putting your beliefs into play.

You folded. Now neither I or the public belive anything you say.
Ever.

If you think that means I dug my own grave, then I guess the beauty of exposing you as someone who says things he does not believe in makes you powerless.

You got rooted harder than AshleyMadison.com

So tilted u had to post twice? xD

U USED AN EU SOURCE TO PROVE THE EU IS UNTRUSTWORTHY!! THE STUPIDITY REQUIRED FOR SUCH A FEAT IS NOTHING SHORT OF AMAZING!! XD

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

U are forever my bitch.

caps more

ESR was running slow at the time, but its good to see you're feeling so comfortable with this debate you're already making insane correlations and USING CAPS after I just calmly, and logically put you in your place.

Safe in the knowledge that within the next few months I'll be bumping this thread and putting the cherry on you.

You don't have what it takes mate. You got rooted in minutes.

All you have now is your childish and desperate claims you came out of this well.

When all around us, even the head of interpol today is warning us of ISIS attacks at the euros, and syrians are being arrested in germany.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36217...rmany.html

Your doom is being crafted as we speak. Its bubbling, can't you feel it?

U USED AN EU SOURCE TO PROVE THE EU IS UNTRUSTWORTHY!! XDXDXD

And you used an EU source to proven muslims are not the biggest threat and backed out a bet.

At worse I am wrong about the percentage of people who dislike the EU, which based on it being a single poll of 32,000 people in place with 10's of millions was obviously open to interp anyway.

You've still failed to convince us trump is wrong or racist for suggesting what at least appears to be an effective way to protect the safety of US citizens while things are crazy.

You obviously feel its ok to risk US lives so imports can go freely.
And that makes you hero, right up until the next attack happens and Americans die due to the policy you said was racist not being applied.

There's no way out for you, other than accepting the bet, and hoping one of your imaginary non muslim terror groups strikes first.

But seeing as Europol are already warning of ISIS at the Europe and Syrians are being arrested in germany today on terror charges, I don't think it looks good for you :)

if you wanted to troll me, you could have done it without you looking like an extremist sympathiser. All that's gonna happen is in a few months time, we're gonna be looking at little brown people blowing shit up, and when their profile matches the one me and donald said, are balls are going to be so big they will cast shadows.

I wouldn't trust a lick of shit that comes out of that collapsing castle.

U are forever my bitch.

My only goal was to bully you into placing a bet where i knew you would lose, or you would back out from.

You basically got raped up the ass, and found comfort in some of your shit ending up on the other dudes dick.

I'm glad you found a silver lining :)

I wouldn't trust a lick of shit that comes out of that collapsing castle.

hahahahaha! xD

Europol = corrupt, dailymail = legit.

I think that should sum up the character of jamjam.

Its almost like the troll gods are out.

Turns out head of Europol lives is from down the road from me (10 mins away), and he's warning of an ISIS terror attack at Euro 2016.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36195...tight.html

What's that scent you're wearing koOma, Irony, Calvin Klein!

Europol is run by the EU, an organisation which ironically 60 something percent of EU citizens DO NOT TRUST based on a poll of over 32,000 people.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/new...-trust-eu/

So if your trump card was placing blind faith in a subsidiary of an already conceited, corrupt and almost unaccountable hierarchy of cunts currently importing civil war into Europe and making laws every day which affect your life which you have no idea about, then good luck with how well that sentiment sits with others :)

I think for most people, your blind faith in the EU, and your refusal to accept a bet which shows you have a shred of belief in your views without ducking and hiding, even when heavily rigged in your favour shows what you really feel about the things you say.

All this thread needs now is a nice bump which proves me right, so unless you have anything else to add other than you pulling data from an organization most people do not trust and ducking a bet, lets just wait and see who comes out on top :)

U DID IT AGAIN! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! XDXDXD

U are forever my bitch.

omg you have done NOTHING but copy-paste jamerio's comments during the whole argument




seriously wtf is with these wannabe trolls

I didn't need to put forth any arguments of my own. He killed him self.




also hi jamerio :)

your argument was you deemed trump racist for implying banning muslims was racist.

I put up the point he's only doing it to protect american citizens against a demographic I believed were statistically far more likely to harm US citizens in the worse way and when dealing with such realities, tough choices need to be made.

You then said this was not true and muslims are not the biggest threat and linked to some BS raph by the EU, an organization currently fucking up Europe and importing rapists, terrorists under the guise that not all you them are. Which his is like saying, here;'s a bottle of asprin, its only going one or two pills in it which will kill you, but the rest is ok. Don't worry about it, stop being fussy.

I then said I'm willing to bet it my view vs yours coming true first, and offered you a wager which if what you believed was true, would have been heavily stacked in your favour.

You then bottled out of putting any faith in your core argument and instead started dancing and celebrating because apparently a poll I used was linked to the EU, which I said was corrupt.
I know you only did that becuase you thought it would anger me, its something I used to do as a kid if I lost my main point, I then moved onto trying to wind them up to win that instead. This is me!!
I flow chart everything. You think I don't know!!

But even if that was true and we deem the EU as corrupt, it means the graph you used is also null.

The only thing that REALLY MATTERED was, two people with an opposing view on a serous real world topic, one was prepared to money on the line to prove it, the other bottled it.

And that's all that matters.

How u construct your reality is amazing to me xD

Could u show me with some empirical data how the EU is corrupt tho? I'd take your word for it, but I'd be more comfortable if a reliable source backed it up. Maybe the European Commision has done some research on the matter? ...








hahahahahaha xD I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE U DID THAT! Even for u that's some next level retard shit xD

dude, just stop

but but.. I'm having fun :(

Is Overwatch not satisfying enough?! D:

It's awesome xD

what if i said i wanted to ban your country and brazil from entering the united states, how do you think i would feel if it passes through.

It would be stupid bc we dont have borders where people can enter ilegally. Next.

Clinton is corrupt, Trump has batshit insane ideas and Sanders panders hardcore to the left. If you read enough politics you will learn that nothing is black and white and you have to learn to read between the lines.

Clinton may be corrupt but she voted for bailout for the banks during the global financial crisis and opposed increasing the minimum wage at Haiti, both of which are good ideas in the grand scheme of things as if the banks had collapsed we would feel the impact globally (and very hard at that) and raising Haiti's minimum wage so drastically would have destroyed their job market in their already poor ass country. Both of which Sanders has opposed.

Sanders has honesty and good policies going for him as we have already seen with his voting records and unpopular stance on certain issues such as gay marriage (at the time) but he still panders hardcore to left like wanting to make college education free which would bankrupt the country and wanting to legalize all illegals in the country.

Trump is basically the polar opposite of Sanders playing the same game. Hates the political correctness that has plagued the left like some of sanders policies and honest in certain ways such as the way he calls out bullshit like calling out all the special interest people in the crowd of his own debate but still pandering hardcore to the right with his vaccines cause autism! and lets build a wall to stop drug dealers even though the majority of these people are coming underground rhetoric!

The way i see it -

Vote Sanders if you like most of reddit's stance on politics but be ready to deal with the fact that he is probably unqualified to run the country in certain aspects with some of his extreme left views.

Vote Trump if your sick of all the political correctness like illegals and refugees swarming the country which i know is already becoming a serious issue in Europe like the majority of muslims refugees wanting sharia law but be ready to deal with his extreme right views just like sanders. A lot of trump supporters say that he is just pandering and doesn't really think this way. I'm sure this is true even for sanders but he cannot just do a complete 180 on his voters like that otherwise its political suicide so i won't be surprised if some of his crazy ideas become federal law.

Vote Clinton if you want wallstreet to maintain a tight grip on poltiics like it already does but want a qualified president with moderate policies. Don't be fooled by the crowd-sourced reddit & 4chan media that have their own narrative, most politicians have always been corporate sellouts, Clinton isn't some kind of cyborg that will make it 10x worse. Some argue she is a corporate sellout because that's what is needed to actually get stuff done in politics and i'm sure thats true to an extent but just like you should never do a 180 to your voters, you should never do a 180 to your corporate donors.

Hillary Clinton is a disaster. When she was Secretary of State, she was the chief architect behind the Libya disaster. Blame her for turning it into a failed state. This is where the immigration crisis came from. Destroying these countries. I can't recall her ever being against any war in the past few decades. Like her husband who passed it, she spoke in favor of NAFTA which shipped jobs to the third world due to them having literally no corporate regulations. She's bragged about supporting a military coup in Honduras. This is all out in the public. She supported overthrowing a government in the country because it didn't serve US interest. She has like Trump, been in favor of using nuclear weapons to solve conflicts. She also, under obama as Secreatary of State, pushed for the largest military budget in US history. Obama has the highest military budget per year than any other US president. Yes, even higher than Ronald fucking Reagan and George Bush.

Despite her rhetoric of wanting to do something about climate change, her time as secretary of state, she tried to sell fracking to the world. This is the "progressive" candidate. Hillary has close ties to corporate america. She gave private speeches to these companies for tons of cash. And the fact that she pals around with Madeline Albright, who was Secretary of state under Bill Clinton and supported sanctions that killed over 500,000 iraqi children. Albright went on to say it was "worth it"

Donald Trump wants a Nazified USA. I honestly don't know what's worse, Clinton or Trump. It's worth noting that Hillary Clinton supported her husband in the 90s when he passed crime bills that enflamed the war on drugs. She's no champion of minority rights.

Bernie Sanders actually cares about people.

If you think Sanders is radical or not moderate enough (which by standards of most industrial countries he isnt), then ask the establishment to stop giving us insane candidates like Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

> Donald Trump wants a Nazified USA.

HAHAHAH

Newsflash that was Bush after 911.



Next.

There's only two kinds of socialists:
1. People who really belive in this bullshit. They are complete idiots. But hey, they are nice people too...
2. People who really want your monies.

There is no other option.

"1. People who really belive in this bullshit. They are complete idiots. But hey, they are nice people too..."

Until they don't get their way then they show their true colours.
Usually vandalism, graffiti, violence.

Just watch some of the trump rallies, all the graffiti, violent demonstrations, road blocks, they are too dumb to realise that just makes him the victim and even more popular.

Ohhhh, graffiti, such a threat for society

It's not about graffiti as a threat for society, more about people who portrait themselves as uber humans, modern humans, righteous humans while in reality they're cancer.

nuance lacks entirely in his views, for his age he sounds surprisingly like a regimented bitter old man.

for what is worth, i'll give him that there's an element of dishonesty in how the left carried its discourse all these years regarding immigration.

there's no wonder far right leaning parties are on the rise. they're the only ones who aproach the immigration subject dead on, no matter how crudely. the left just skirted around it for years, hoping the problem will go away on its own, meanwhile calling anyone with concerns 'racist' or 'xenophobe'.

1. People who really belive in this bullshit. They are complete idiots. But hey, they are nice people too...

I agree. Putting the means of production under democratic control, that's really stupid. Having them be owned by natural persons and thus making them literal tyrranies is much better.

As if democracy was not a tyranny, lel

Private property is literal tyranny, I tell you.

...unlike the starvation of Ukrainians, which was a misguided attempt at incentivizing human resources to excel in their workplace.

I'll admit i made Hillary sound like a neutral president that is no different to the other presidents before her when more and more information comes out each day about her lack of ethics etc. But almost every one of those issues you listed have being a political move for her. There's a reason she had high approval rating as secretary of state, not because she was some kind of war-monger but because she was a power hungry politician that gave them what they wanted. Many of the fears we have about her may come true but there are systems put in place in the government so that no one person can destroy the country that redditors so determinedly want to believe, there's a reason people call presidents scapegoats, because they don't have as much power as the common people are led to believe. The point i am trying to make here is time and time again we have had presidents similar to her, and like every other president they have made some things better, some things worse but usually they make things better as society progresses. i just think as information becomes easier to access these days with the internet it has become easier to be aware of what really goes on inside politics but I find it hard to believe that Hillary is some kind of evil overlord that people like reddit want to believe, a platform like reddit does not support politics at deep level and cannot understand stuff like the greater good or how reaching a position of power through corruption is so standard that good intentioned people do the same thing so we can not so easily judge people just on these merits.

Also if you seriously believe that Donald Trump wants a Nazified USA, remember one of the biggest reasons Nazis were Nazis were for their systematic killing of minorities, if you think such a thing can happen in modern America than you have being drinking too much of that liberal kool-aid.

[+] although too much letters for those underage online activists

Thanks OBAMA!

Seems like Jamerio is jelly of the attention Zhu and Drejjk are getting, so he went full basement dweller again.

He went full retard, no exaggeration :D

"went"?? Implying he hasn't been there the whole time?

heeh fair point

and so it begins lol

buckle up boyz this gon be a hell of a ride

want to go to miami beach to fck those hot latins bitches.

need to go to las vegas to gamble my money and visit the best stripclubs and fck the best hookers

need to go to hollywood cuz im fcking famous

cant go there if trump is on power

TURKISH BLOOD MOFO

nobody cares about your turkish blood

except this guy, he couldn't get enough of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler

Here's a insightful video featuring Chomsky commenting on the Tea Party Movement where he makes some points which also apply to Trump imo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwTht2L4jqA

Hi Jamerio

You already lost that game too. (days after I posted it here)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36217...rmany.html

Yours is dated 6th June.
Mine was 2nd June.

Anytime you want to accept the original bet which relies on an actual attack happening let me know.

But I think we both know who you really think will commit the next attack.

Only way to redeem yourself is to accept the bet, even if you lose, at least you can get some respect for putting your belief into action.

Who cares when it happened, and wether u posted before me or not? How are u not even comprehending this haha :P

"Its coming, its nearly here."

"One of the terrorists was yelling about Allah

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36331...z4B76APilS

Still not getting it :(

How about now pumpkin?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36374...tages.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36398...stage.html

or now...



The inconvenient truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yELo-yNFv6Y

haha nice

I like Trump because he called Rosie O'Donell a fat pig.
He also said john McCain was a loser for getting taken hostage in Vietnam lol.

How could you not vote for the guy.

Bernie endorsement of the warmongering hag coming in 3...2...1... Bernie supporters' contortions to justify the endorsement coming a second later.

lmfao

shooting dead 50 in Orlando gay nightclub



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-36374...tages.html

OMG HOW CAN THIS BE!
WHAT A SHOCK!!
I AM SO SHOCKED THIS HAPPENED!!!

Congrats to Trump on the presidency.
Commiserations to Kooma and lefties, once again, my startling insight and truth has been enshrined on the internet.

As for Europe, by the way you're importing trouble and spreading it around like a sickness, I'm sure it won't be long until you start reaping what you sew, minus the rapes and stabbings which these people are already doing and authorities are trying to hide.

The progressive revolution is alive and well. It just got a little bit more pro banks and pro war. Buehehe.

Another 80+ in france.

I wonder how many more people have to die for people to get the truth :)

How do you win a war when you are living among the enemy?

Free college!
Free healthcare!

I am really looking forward when Trump will be considered one of the best presidents ever 9 years from now. Hopefully it will finally shut up the idiot kids.

Someone will probably shoot him, the lefties are showing their true colours, they pretend to be all nice, until they don't get what they want.
Inverted fascists, luckily most of them are weeds who are physically weak and are easy to disprove with the truths of their flawed policies.

They can sense their little run is over and people want to get back to basics.

Fun times ahead.
Still you can never trust people who welcome into paedophiles, rapists, murderers in to your country and are happy for you to be their bait.

We all have a part to play in destroying these people online and changing their social taboo which has got them this far.

When they can assure me the people coming in are good then we'll talk, until then, charity begins at home and when you put the safety of these people before your own (which is what has happened) then you've failed and its time for a change.

"Germany train axe attack: Afghan teenage refugee shouting 'Allahu Akbar' goes on bloody rampage hacking passengers"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germa...an-8445784

+

"Girl fighting for life after mum and three daughters knifed in French holiday resort for being 'scantily dressed'"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/girl-...um-8448196

Carson bestest convention speech so far, couldnt aim laughed so hard ^^