After only of a couple of games, they said it was too difficult and can't play it. There you have it.

He specifically pointed out that Q3 was the epitome of 'pureness'.

Duel didnt prevent anything from growing. There never was a giant ctf/tdm playerbase that got suppressed in favor of duel.

the market is overwhelmed with team games

Let's not forget the only time true esports existed was in the scbw era in south korea, and that was strictly 1v1 with team games played during fun showmatches only.

Maybe because they don't like Reflex

Just because the people who play fast-arena-fps are elitist and there isn't many of them doesn't mean that you can put them all in the same bag and disrespect them like they're children

disrespect them like they're children that don't know what they want (it's probably the opposite of that)

"Warsow:

3) don't like cellshaded pigs, sounds, maps, community was too much into instagib

5) no idea, scrap the pigs"

pretty obvious that both in this video and the OP video he's talking about random internet forum warriors who post super elitist comments about what quake ought to be but haven't actually touched the game in 15 years and know nothing about its competitive scene.

these are people who have some vague idea about how quake is the pinnacle of skill, but in reality all they ever played were space map FFAs in baseq3, have never heard of OSP or CPMA, and couldn't name a single professional player apart from fatal1ty.

he says the people who actually do play these games and are involved in the hardcore community either don't give a shit about QC and move on, or actually enjoy QC for what it is and play it.

the people vocally complaining about QC on the internet are the same people who complained about every other quake clone, saying that New Game X is either not hardcore enough (muh skill ceiling) or too niche (muh player base), or both at the same time. then they go on to the next forum thread talking about how much they like the new Destiny game or some shit. these people were never in the market for "arena fps" in the first place and shouldn't be listened to.

So why is he ranting about people who do not even matter (random internet forum warriors)? And if they do matter, their opinions matter regardless of what TB thinks.

And why has he failed to make it clear who he is talking about; he's just pulling stereotypes out of his ass to be as controversial as possible.

He's just attacking the person instead of the argument.

He's basically just generalizing the views of people behind random posts he's read on the internet and accusing all these people who he actually knows nothing about of being hypocrites.

Warsow is godawful?
Reflex Arena is godawful?

The new UT is godawful?

Now, imagine for a second i'm an investor ready to drop $20mil on a new shooter.

Convince me that a pure hardcore arena fps will make my money back, let alone make a profit.

Those two have extreme kinds of movements where a new player will never feel like he's making a single move that's like the pros.

Also made by amateurs without any marketing or microtransactions, or ladders etc...

You can use your franchise in the growing esports scene while people still remember it.

There haven't been many good deathmatch AAA titles trying to contest for this, especially not using the modern models of f2p, microtransactions and focusing on esports.

Making a CoD alternative?

So what you're saying is they're mechanically and technically-sound hardcore FPS games and barely anybody plays them.

Like this one?

You're underestimating the staying power of legendary-tier franchises. They could literally sit on it for 10 more years and the announcement would be more hype than ever.

F2P games by design cannot be pure. Only Dota2 fits that bill, but really only Valve can afford a model like that with their infinite money hacks.
Besides, F2P and microtransactions are but modern trends.
What else is a modern trend? Hero abilities.
I think what you're proposing is a lot closer to what they're doing than you give them credit for.

Ironically, "going oldschool" is exactly what CoD is trying to do right now and it's gonna fail. Because people want new, not old.

minecraft doesn't have ladders

My point was that those kinds of movements are just way less attractive to casual gamers.

That's a completely different kind of game.

Might as well argue that because minecraft doesn't have ladders, starcraft doesn't need it.

People haven't changed so much they can't enjoy the stuff they enjoyed before, just has to be packaged in a contemporarily convenient fashion.

They have no chance in that market.

Sorry, but this is a point i'm not willing to concede. As someone coming from CPMA background, its movement is the most forgiving and casual-friendly out of any Quake.
I never even learned to do a proper 2-jump B2R before switching to QL. Why would i when i can do it with 3-4 jumps without any risk of failing it instead?
Minimal risk, minimal commitment movement. I don't see how it's less appealing for newer players than VQ3 where you can get absolutely fucked because of just bumping slightly into a corner with a wrong weapon out.

PUBG and ladders

I'm pretty sure that's mostly what QC is at this point already.
I do have my gripes with the game at the moment, but champions are not on that list.
Most of the abilities are just repurposed power-ups from older Quakes, but now they're applied only to its dedicated champions with easily-distinguishable silhouettes, so you always know which prick's got a first aid on him. That's already a better design out of the gate.

Good thing they're not going for that market then.

Yeah well, welcome to modern gaming where getting fucked because you did the wrong thing isn't that big of a deal (look at CS and Dota lol, that's the main way you actually get fucked. Not because you're not doing enough).

Being a really unfamiliar, weird, way faster than anything you've seen literally ever is, meanwhile, not a proven successful strategy.

Ladders and skins and social features are the kind of things that motivate players to stay.

I think it'd be better without champions

Not sure what you mean here, but CS and Dota punish mistakes in very, very different ways.

Since when is "fast" unappealing to masses? "Man, driving a Lambo in Need For Speed is just too hardcore for me, i think i'll go with Fiat."
CoD is faster than CS. Doesn't make it hardcore. Actually, the one mode in CoD that is called hardcore is slower than vanilla.
And the rest applies equally to CPM and VQ3 movement, tbh. None of it is even vaguely intuitive.

Fair enough, but we're still talking player numbers in the hundreds when it comes to AFPS.
CS:GO never went below 20.000 concurrent players even before skins and ranked MM were introduced. Even when it was in a disasterous state in its first year, with its hit detection blowing raspberries and eating its own boogers.
Will a ladder system turn a ~300 concurrent players into 10.000? Nah, i don't think so.

If there's a will, there's a way. They did promise a classic no-hero mode. If it'll be more popular than, or at least as popular as your top dog game modes, the devs will have to turn their gaze to it.
But i don't think it will be.
You could argue that champions add some random bullshit into the game, but moderate dozes of random bullshit make things fun.

Also made by amateurs without any marketing or microtransactions, or ladders etc...

He is really just an obnoxious asshole trying to sound and be important

Objectively, quake is extremely dull compared to other modern titles - unless you invest the time and effort to actually learn it. I mean look at lower tier ffa servers, people walking around spamming mouse1. Yes in 1999 that was cool but you cannot sell that in 2017 anymore.