"world" tournament

We are the lucky ones, mate......

game on sons

that's some great prize breakdowns, everyone better show the fuck up this time.

New game, new meta, new strats and a shit ton of cash.

This tournament at least should have some crazy as fuck twists.

Glad to see that it is not very top heavy.
Some tournaments in other games have taken an idiotic route in the last few years.

Why reward the losers?
The players will get flown there for free and then get money handouts. Id/Bethesda effectively paying people to play their game. Quakers welfare.

It is pretty cool though.

I guess it's for doing well enough in the qualifiers to get to the last 16 at Quakecon.

Winner takes all is very off putting for a lot of upcoming players and will kill the scene even faster than id itself can do it.
In essence I have nothing against rapha winning around 500k every year at quakecon for the next ten years / assuming that the duel and sacrifice pools are split, but keep in mind that all the competitions will go away, because people cannot afford to spend time on this game for year a year for just a small chance of winning.

rapha won't win quakecon.

Yeah right, that's what we've said for n+1 years, but no matter how much they are ahead and no matter how solid the tournament win already is the europeans manage to choke every single fucking time (read evil)

If you are world's top 16, you are not a "loser".

Let's take evil/rapha from last year's quakecon. Their skill difference is only very slight, and the final could end either way. But if we reward only the winner, then it means that for having just a tiny bit higher skill, rapha would get infinitely better reward, which other players would not consider fair and lose the motivation to compete, so that it ends up in no one playing this game at all except maybe 2-3 top players.

Reward competition, not only the winners.

Well said.

agreed, this really is weak.

$100k for first place duel is shite in relation to the prize pool
you're the best individual player at the game and you take home 10% of the 'pool, seems a little crappy especially considering that's the only game mode that anyone is going to be watching as sacrifice/tdm are mind numblingly dull to spectate

Duel prize pool isnt 1M, 1st place is 30% circa, not so bad.
It's still more than last 4-5 qcon duel tournament combined lol.
And 10k for 9-16th is a nice incentive to see lots of good eu players, not the same 3-4 top name like old qcon (the only ones who could take decent prize to cover cost trip)

it's okay just a bit depressing that after tax it equates to £56,000 here, - flights - expenses then nearer £50k.

just think it would have been cool to have a bigger first prize that could make life comfortable for the winner

Prize pool is 1M in total, teams deserve more for obvious reasons.
Still good for duel winner, last qcon editions 1st took 8-10k, for eu players placing 3rd or 4th meant nothing, covering the trip cost at max.
If qc has success, more tournaments/year etc, i think 3-4 top names can live with quake.
To "make life comfortable" you should win dota international :D

100k is more than enough. This distribution keeps the community alive and developing. With a prize pool distribution of (for example a 500k prize pool):
1st 450K
2nd 40k
3rd 5k
4th-10th the remaining

we would see the the majority of people quit the game, the scene dying etc.

the game is probably going to die soon anyway so it'd be nice to make one lucky old time quaker wealthy :)

oh my gosh....

My jaw was literally floored for a legit 30 seconds or more......10-16th gets what rapha won for 1st last year :DDDD

Almost worth flying myself over for the qualifiers at the BYOC.

true, you need to place top 16 and ur investment will be returned. u will have extra pressure though.

175k for Cypher!

that sum is actually impossible.

e: aye aye it's not, sry

PWNED

I got excited, then I realized that there is a space between "Quake" and "World"

Not bad. Let's hope it won't be Shootmania 2.0.

Doesn't Av3k need a bailout or something? This is the chance

B A I L O U T
B A I L O U T
B A I L O U T
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He actually never went to jail, but whatever

Is he still under house arrest? Sucks to be him, could have had some dope ass monies

Nah, he quit being competitive years before being busted

He could still comfortably be a top 16 duel player though

But would they allow him to fly to the USA?

He will never a get a visa to the USA anyway.

US probably marijuana policy hurting even Quake :<

Would've liked to see a bit more money in the team games but still, very nice prizepurse!

i get what you mean but they already get 3 times.

Yeah but as individuals they actually get less. And it seems to favour duel way more going down the ladder.

A bit counter intuitive for a Quake which is supposed to be pushing a team mode as it's main game mode.

Exactly what I meant :)

Thats one way to see it, youre forgeting tho its the 32 best players getting money on the team mode, while only the best 16 in duel. So its just more shared between teams, total purse is way higher in the team mode than duel.

You can't get carried in duel, its all up to you

Ummm you can't be carried in any well thought out team mode. If you don't understand we shouldn't be having a conversation. Most teams are well built and have a players specialised to certain roles.

A few years ago 4 Old Men v 102? Who was carried by who?

You can certainly be carried to top 4/8/16

If teams are properly constructed then no, marginal differences at best taking into account skillset variables. No team would be willing to carry anyone significantly worse.

This isn't a pickup game.

If one of the 102 guys is having a bad day or fucks up, his teammates will carry him because theyre generally better than most of the teams.

If one of the 102 guys is having a bad day or fucks up in duel, hes out.

There's this thing called best of... It means a single game can't eliminate you from any format. This is Quake dude, you don't have bad days. You can have good days but you're never going to dip from a certain base level of skill they have.

They aren't athletes who can injure themselves and play subpar, they're gamers. Significant upsets don't happen.

Yes, obviously nobody is going to show up one day forgetful of strafe-jumping, doesn't mean there won't be days when he gets carried.

You can have a 'bad day' but you're not going to let a guy who's a tier below you into your team in the first place. That's the point. Any one of them can have a bad day doesn't make them less deserving of it. Stupid logic.

And any other one can do the carry, which is impossible in duel. Which was the whole point.

quake pushing a team mode... sounds so wrong in so many levels

so u want more money for sacrifice? duel probably brought the 1 million, since is so great to watch and now, sacrifice, which is like watching paint dry in a wall, takes a whole 660K out of it (out of something that never earned or deserved) and u r not happy???

you guys are very hard to please

No I'm not hard to please at all. I'm quite pleased with this initial tournament, I'd just like to see a better prize distribution.

What exactly did Duel do to deserve this money?

Oh I see you mean the fact that Duel propelled Quake Live to the frontier of FPS E-Sports and garnered millions of views and hundreds of thousands of followers. THAT DUEL! Oh wait...

yes duel did a huge lot to ql. Gave ql so many interesting tourneys, while ql having a tiny community and player base. And is still doing, with this 1 million tourney. Do you think that ESL signed up for this for showcasing sacrifice??

tdm and ctf (not really sacrifice) are indeed needed for helping increasing the player base and make the game available to a broader audience.

anw I am happy they have both. I don't enjoy specing team games, but having a team mode tourney, will make far more players train, which is good.

Quake used to have a ton of popular team modes before Quake 3 effectively killed them with the machine gun. Even OSP turning the damage down couldn't fix the fundamental problem with a relatively powerful starting weapon.

So, anyway, Quake used to be more than just duel but id software fucked that up and never fixed it.

A big throw back to the glory days of good price money of the start of q3, nice!

How the hell are they blowing up $1M in one tournament instead of doing a year-round league with it?!

A year round league doesn't really make sense, the balance gets skewed, the game changes and it prevents other things from going but. But a huge mistake in not making four tournaments instead of one, or something like that.

Bigger tournament will stimulate hype and growth in player population. Go big or go home as they say. A year round league will come late on when money generation from ftp platform kicks in.

It'll probably start around the same time the shootmania league starts.

Bigger tournament will stimulate hype and growth in player population.

[citation needed]

It doesnt mean there wont be another championships throughout the year

One should only generate hype, when there is a solid product which can support said hype, or the whole thing can backfire.
While QC is fun, it's very unoptimized and buggy at this moment, not ready for the big stage (imho).

So the regional finals travel/accomodation costs are only payed for Teams? I mean, duelers go to regional finals from their own pocket?

Duel regional finals are online except for special cases where players also qualify to team LAN finals, those guys will play from ESL studio

Oh, thx. Didnt even knew, that regionals are online ;)

Source?

h8m3 - Last Saturday at 5:08 AM
@ESL | zerolove will duel have LAN regional finals?
it's not quite clear atm

ZeRo4 - Last Saturday at 5:09 AM
No, all online. Unless the special scenarios that players qualified for duel and team

h8m3 - Last Saturday at 5:21 AM
thx, cause I've seen this and someone said that duel could be moved to LAN aswell https://images.discordapp.net/attachments/302...mx34_1.jpg

ESL | zerolove - Last Saturday at 5:26 AM
That is sort of misleading, the duel regional finals are the 5th (online) sacrifice finals are the 6th (LAN @ Burbank/Leicester).

h8m3 - Last Saturday at 5:28 AM
so how will it be for players who qualified for both? they will have to play from ESL studio a day before sacrifice?

ESL | zerolove - Last Saturday at 5:29 AM
Yes, but we've already accomodated that into the schedule :smiley:
There will be setups for them to play their online matches from our studios.

Thanks!
Early info was quite misleading then indeed. Also I think it's strange to not have the duel regionals be played on lan...

Cool to see yout name again baksteen. Stream quake any?

no I'm already struggling to run it properly without streaming :/

meh