#Make America Great Again

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Republicans finally fixing what the Democrats did wrong.

lol, of course vag1sil is a trump supporter.

hey du, still waitin' on that dreaded "ESR post" you promised to make YEARS ago about me and pure cuz we made fun of you for bragging about being a TDM player... while playing CA.

how do i remember that, you ask? ez. your 99.6% yield unbridled acerbic brain-melting stupidity was an unforgettable phenomenon.

idc what you say in your response. just make it funny so i can slightly blow air out of my nose several months from now when i get bored enough to check this wasteland for morsels, RIPE FOR THE PICKIN'!

lol, that was fun to write. take it seriously and get pissed off though. there's precedent for you doing exactly the same before.

yours truly,
Dr. poser MD, Esq.

calm down and take a tide pod you CA loving liberal

also i see you got some spelling errors i see, i aint even mad though ;) #MAGA

ugh. the real insult here is that i knew you were a moron and expected a creative reply; this is just disappointing. there's barely anything written and it's all misconceptions and memes. i guess not everyone enjoys what i do.

this reminds me of another time i was joshin' gnik with the silliest one-liners and all he could do was pop in later while i was playing and say, "hey poser, suck my dick! XD" yeah, he did the face too.

you've defeated me, though not in the way you thought.

R.I.P. poser, the man who expected too much, died in 2018 by means of a broken heart

Dude, just end your life.

Thanks to a charismatic leader. Let alone Republicans are no better than the libtard horde of democrats. They voted same like the dems in overwhelming proportion for horrid ACTA65 law.

it's going to be so fucking cool.
I bet the the arrests eventually go global.

Also sweden may be going to civil war.
talk about bringing in the military to deal with the "problem" lol
sending brochures to millions of homes about going to war.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/10...gee-crisis

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42733539

well its about time.
i was watching what was going on over there and thinking wtf is going on? why are they taking this?

this is good, the citizens have to come together and arm themselves.. and then take it into their own hands.. they have to do it, for the future of their children..

i mean its already to late because they let in too much of those scoundrels, but i think if they act now, and act hard they can doninate them and put them in their place.. make ghettos for them guarded by armed people that shoot to kill.

whatever happens will effect the whole world.
everyones economy is directly linked to america.
if we go, so goes the world.

then you'll understand tyranny .

imblying US are the good guys?

would you like someone else to rule the world?

you want lead in everything because china doesn't give a fuck about regulations?

you wanna slav squat all day because russia runs shit?
Global track suits. Drunks.

we could let africa rule and set the world back to the stone age.

Japan i'd trust... just have to watch they don't blow their budget on dirty panties.

I hope there are regulations prohibiting my local butcher from putting a condom in my bacon because, y'know, I don't want condoms in my bacon.

ye ye, I know it's a difficult choice between Israel, insectoids from China and Russians high on Krokodil...
:D
What a world we're living in.

According to some Republicans who I tend to believe that they are right, ideologically speaking Russia these days is what the US used to be in the 40s and 50s before hippie Marxists (Jews being there over represented like usual suspects) took control of the US.

Union of American Socialist Republics incoming <3

im mean sweden goint to civil war, at this point its even better to be at war then to ignore and live with these refugees

Fuck off with this rubbish

angry hilldog might get a public hanging?

yes please.

Buhaha. Fuck all politicians, left and right.

Killing all pedos when?

foreigners of esr.....

email this motherfucker... help america help you... pretend you're a citizen... dems do it all the time with mexicans.

https://paulryan.house.gov/contact/

Politics is all fake

Get out of your hate bubble.

Live life. Do something positive. These forums/subreddits aim at unhappy people like you and recruit you into spreading this crap.

Let's be glad that there are so many safeguards against single individuals in place that protect us all from war and violence in the west.

What if jews want you to think that?!

yea lets ignore the huuuge problem.
lets just feel good and do nothing.

This is doing something positive.
Get out of your bubble where you ignore the problems of the world so you can be cool with your iphone.

Let the world go to shit because you were to busy doing the most important thing in the world... feelin' good!

So which hordes of minds are you influencing with your activism and why do you think the overall impact is positive?

getting rid of corruption is a positive thing. if you only think about the now, there is no hope for a future.
You understand this corruption is global right?
Are you looking forward to migrants forced into your land by other countries?

can you imagine the future? doesn't look to bright.
If the final check and balance of our system is the people, and they haven't been doing their job, the assholes run rampant.

You understand that what happens in america effects your country?
If america falls you are completely fucked. That goes for everyone.

I asked what specifically you do that you felt justified to go all righteously aggressive on tie. Do you run or are a member of an organisation that has an educational mission or are you busy preaching on Reddit to Basement_dw3ller1993?

An additional million people not caring about politics would go way further towards clamping down on corruption than an additional million Reddit shitposters talking about how the CIA secretly runs your morning bowel movement.

i don't go on forums.
What can any regular person do other than spread the word?

I'm not certain tie wrote against spreading the word. Seems to me he's against doing it among angry people on Reddit.

Besides that, use the time spent on arguing to become a good professional in your field and donate regularly to a cause you support part of your increased salary.

I wouldn't rule out that i have become too sceptical on convincing through debating since being influenced by Jonathan Haidt's writing though.

Yeah, embrace the enrichment coming your way.




Rape, Terror, Poverty, Housing Shortages, all so someone from thousands of miles away whose never done anything to build the resources in your country can have a better life at the expense and security of the people who have.

Trust me, that shit is going to end badly when the people of those countries collectively realize the one's they thought were there to protect them are actually harming them.

Then the people will take back control, its already happening, with a shift in the right, not cos people are racist, but because shits like you keep bringing this in and calling people names for having a problem with it.

Why don't you go and speak to some of the people who have been killed, raped, attacked by these people and let us know what they think of your insane statements.

Like I said man, I hope its your family that's getting attacked and impacted by these people in, but it won't be, it will be the poor mugs who months earlier you were calling names for not wanting it.

In my country a soldier recently died on the street due to being homeless and could not get help, yet this country has millions to import and keep poor people for life from thousands of miles away.

Its clearly done for one reason, to install voters who will out breed and vote to the left, and defeat the will of the indigenous into no longer caring or considering their country their own.

The EU considers national identity and borders a hurdle into its grand plan of a federal Europe and they know importing hordes of people who are dead cert votes and attacking their own people for having a problem with them is the best way to beat any sense of cultural identity they have inside of them.

I assure you, its going to end in civil war long before then.
So bring it on.

when/where did those riots happen? what was it about?

it says portopalo 2014 but i cant find any information on it

Its all quite recent the media hardly report on it because they're all busy telling us how great it is.

Merkel literally imported terror and rape. Then called you names for having a problem.

That's the left for you.



https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=refugee+riots

it's pretty bad and telling when sweden mails pamphlets to it's citizens about going to war and talking about using the military to help with the migrant problem.

when the time comes, you can crash in america.

Too bad there are no safeguards against America fucking up rest of the world for profit.

And HE'S GOING TO WIN A SECOND TERM YES

there may not be a democratic party after this. I'm sure a lot of republicans are going down too.

This shit will blow over and nothing will come of it.

When you search this topic on Reddit (the biggest US news aggregator and forum) you only get hits from r/the_donald and other conservative subs like hillaryforprison and alike. No one else gives a fuck about it, no news sub cares for it. So either this is an issue overblown by the right or Democratic party controls the whole of Reddit. The latter seems unrealistic. It's Hillary emails all over again

he will just say that all news outlets are controlled by the left-wing deep state or whatever.

these people have a narrative and reason backwards from there. its unfalsifiable and like trying to talk to someone with paranoid schizophrenia. another trend is that the "big reveal" is just around the corner and that the global cabal will be revealed any day now, except it never happens and they just get more and more riled up.

this is some private memo written by a trump bootlicker and they can release it anytime they want. but instead they keep it secret and super-promise that its damning so they can create chaos and push the narrative. laughable.

Ye it does seem like that memo doesn't contain anything special and/or is extremely easy to debunk once it's released, so they are reluctant to show it

actually the cia has much control over the media.
it's well documented. It's not falsified. Operation mockingbird.

If you're that stupid that you think every government globally doesn't control it's news outlets you are literally retarded.

Name a country. That Gov. controls it's own media.

How stupid are you to think a Gov would let the news write an say what it wants.

Media is a juicy topic for sure.

control the algorithms.
Twitter literally just caught doing this.

google does the same. facebook etc etc.

close to 600,000 retweets of releasethememo.

purposely removed because twitter has decided that it's "russian"
it's not the people speaking up, it's the russians.

shadow banning.



what an excuse.

Let's for a second pretend that liberals, or whoever comes, control all media outlets. Why doesn't the Republican party, which holds majority in every representatives body, release the damn memo? What are they waiting for?

legality. it has to be signed off.


there's a reason the people who read it were patted down, no phones, paper, pens, cameras... nothing.
they had to enter a secure room just to read it. under strict orders not to give any info out.
wouldn't doubt severe charges would follow.

i'm guessing it hasn't been leaked because A) there is no copy to leak. it's held in a secure room with no way to get a copy out. B) severe legal shit.

tell me more

oh no, don't. I come here to read about computergames, not this bullshit. Fuck off.

no you don't.

The US of A get less globally influential by the week:

Pres. Trump is pulling the States out of global treaties, abandoning previous promises to military and commercial allies and defunding international (UN) and national oversight agencies (SEC, FCC, EPA), cutting research/transportation/health/housing and many more budgets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_federal_budget). At the same time, several states have declared a housing, drug or climate related state of emergency.

But the money taken from long-term investments into the health & education of the public is not saved to further a higher goal. Instead, it is spent on a large corporate tax break incurring a $1 trillion deficit for 2018.

The first implications of this decision can be felt today when the richest nation on earth can not afford for its citizens to enter public parks/get married/or have a non-emergency medical exam.

But since the president is tweeting about his imaginary border wall while taking his morning dump, this surely must be the most pressing issue of the state.

That's based on the flawed assumption that those treaties were a good deal and good for America which they probably were not.

EU is run by a bunch of circle jerks. Run by merkel who literally imported rape and terror which have been busy raping and killing her people.

Many of the treaties countries like mine are locked in are the reason the 3rd world are now jumping on boats and trying to gt to my country for a free life in their millions.

Those are some of the treaties your president is trying to save you from. Lucky you.

Wish we had such a person looking out for our country instead of giving the shop away and screwing over the people they were elected to serve to pursue some warped ideal of wanting to distribute the worlds most desperate and needy across the whole of Europe with no care on the impacts of that, when its already been proven to be a DISASTER, of which they compound by now trying to make it illegal to release crime stats by race/religion etc, because everyone knows what those treaties are doing to places like Sweden, which was a model for some of those treaties.

The system hates trump because they can't control him and the US is the most powerful card in the deck, they just can't stand that their little plan went to shit with Brexit and Trump.

And look at how they are behaving over it.

Constant attempts to overthrow, undermine, discredit those two major democratically processes.

We know what's best for you they say, well, looking at the civil unrest in Europe,and how people felt in the USA, its clear people are not happy, over here or over there.

That is what Trump and Brexit represented and OTHER countries would go the same way too if they were given a vote, but the EU is so desperate to cling onto its dream it will never allow that to happen.

COUGH- catalonia!

Whats with this language: "raping and killing"?

A fact of life is: Some humans are criminals. All refugees are humans, so are Germans. Is there a statistical significant raping prevalence in the immigation demographic? What if there is one in some other subdemographic? Should we deport them too?

Merkel was just reelected, btw. Why do you think of Brexit (hardly an voter under 25) as pinnacle of democracy but the German elections as flawed?

Importing people whose culture has a game name for raping men and women is not the same as Germans.
That's an indication that those cultures are shit and deserve to stay in the desert.

Importing people who are from places which are empirically and statistically linked to being prone to terrorism and rape in the west is not the same as indigenous germans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-new...01941.html

Your retarded, left wing belief system that we are somehow all the same is entirely false, we are potentially all the same, but by nature, nurture or both, we become different.

in which case, when you import people from shitty countries where their cultures (or in Islams case religion) have made a growing percentage them incompatible, dangerous and statistically more prone to harming or damaging the countries and people of those countries, then you can't have them here without guaranteeing you are needlessness bringing in bad people.

That's the difference between indigenous bad people and imported bad people, you can't do anything within your own midst, but you can sure as hell make sure you don't needlessly bring more bad eggs in which is what IS NOT happening.

Where shit fucks like Merkel literally opened the gates to random, desperado where we already know terrorists, killers and rapists have come in.

We know this because some of them have gone on to do those thing, and we know more will in the future.

Your liberal logic is either cancer, or you're simply someone who wants to see the decline of white western countries.

Sadly for you, the game is up.

The US people elected Trump.
The UK choose Brexit, and much of the EU would vote out if they were ever given a choice, of which the EU are going to try and make impossible as its all or nothing now.

Ultimately this liberal infection which is infecting western politics will results in a giant abscess, which will be personified with a civil war.

When the majority, indigenous people of a country are forced to deal with shit from people they elect to carry out their wishes, and are marginalized, you are sewing the seeds for a revolution.

The people coming in are not needed or wanted, the UK for example is twice as populated as france per square KM, despite france being nigh on twice the size.

And still we're told take more, take more, its complete BS.

And then they get here, libtards in the media and GVT pander to their every need, meaning their cultures and beliefs are put ahead of ours.

People have had enough and the game is up. even Merkel admitted what she did was a mistake. She did it on purpose, because the left want the votes, and secretly hate their own people for having an identity which they see as a stumbling block to controlling them.

That's why this stuff is going on, its to make you not care.
That's why they call you racist for everything, so they can shame and silence you.

Except its no longer working because now everyone is waking up to what is going on and what's coming in.

Relax, man. I'm willing to discuss this in a civilised manner. But calling other opinions "retarded", "cancerous" etc will accomplish nothing.

1) The USA were founded by immigrants. The idea that "the US boat if full" is particularly strange for this nation. Why was it not full two generations ago, when Mr Trump's grandparents immigrated?

2) You seem to be fixed on this raping business. I wonder why. Since you do not give any numbers, I looked them up. Probably you did too, in order to substantiate your claims?

The German BKA(national police) reports [0] that in 2016 in Germany 5% of all crimes against the sexual consent (this is not only rape, but also groping/molesting etc) have foreign suspects. This is significantly higher (roughly factor 2.5) , than what would expect from the proportion of immigrants. This seems to substantiate your claims. But wait a second. The BKA writes: 'This data is not suited for comparing the two demographics in terms of their criminality. This is for several reasons: foreign nationality can also mean visitor, not immigrant (e.g. Berlin has >8 Mio visitors but only 3.5 mio inhabitants), secondly, foreigners are more likely to get reported for crimes, thirdly and most importantly the inner structure of the two groups "all Germans" and "foreigners in Germany" are completely different.'

What this means is, that since most immigrants are young, male, low income, it makes no sense to compare them to all german grannies. If we would compare young german males to "all germans" they would suck in comparison, too. For example, 99% of all rapes are commited by men. Still, we don't dream of deporting all men in order to safe our women.

As soon as one corrects the data for these biases, i.e. compares the young immigrant males to you german males, the statistical significance vanishes.

So, lets give these guys jobs and an eduction in order to stabilize them socially. This will be hard enough a task. Screaming "safe the white women from the brown rapists" is neither true nor helpful.

Have a nice evening.

[0] https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Pu...le&v=5

"Screaming "safe the white women from the brown rapists" is neither true nor helpful."

"British-Pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it'"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-new...01941.html

These are not migrants, these are people whose family have been here for decades, who get by in mono cultural ghettos because they don't need or want to change.

And why is it Sweden is known as the rape capital of Europe when its people are generally some of the most chilled you will ever meet?

And how then did this statistic come around the time of mass migration, and why then are authorities making it illegal to register crimes by race/religion.

I'll tell you, becuase they do not want to legitimize the truth, so you're wrong, wrong and wrong again. And those patterns are evident in the UK too. And did you not hear about the new year antics in germany, where your GVt is saetting up safe spaces for women,and telling them not to provoke them by waiving your flags, or women wearing summer clothes in certain areas.

There is CLEARLY a cultural understanding in such demographics which see white western girls as bait, because they don't walk around with a sheet draped over their head.

That's the problem, many of them don't integrate or want to integrate because they can get away with doing what they want and they expect everyone to appease.

Expecting millions of muslims to go oh shit we're in Europe now, lets do as we're told is never going to happen, a certain percentage of them will always do what they want. You might be happy with that collateral damage, plenty are not.

Even in the UK we have hundreds of madrasses teaching muslims kids to become nothing but the next batch islamic stooges, who will go on to spawn and create the next batch of problems. The only people expected to change, is us. Be more tolerant, stop being racist, all a con, and people are waking up.

You deserve to be called retarded because you try and de-legitimize problems which are resulting in the deaths and rape of your own people and I hope one day, your fellow citizens violently beat the shit out of people like you.

I don't want to debate it with you because you're wrong.

I don't want to debate it with you, because there's been many rapes and terror attacks attributed to these actions already, in France, Germany, and my country and there will be many more.

People like you are nuts, you want to try and tame a demographic who have been brainwashed from birth into changing.

However many you change, you will never get to all of them, so the only truth is, the more of them that are here, the more of you are going to be adversely affected, all this for a demographic who are mostly or largely on welfare, but hey, they all vote to the left so its totally worth it.

Ok, you cared to look up some numbers. But to be honest, these are not great numbers to back up your thesis of a mass phenomenon of rape prevalent in muslim immigrant streams.

1) This is about grooming, the practice of befriending a child in order to take advantage of it. This is something totally different from rape.

2) The study is about Asians, not about muslims. Most asians are not muslims.

3) The study is tiny. It considers 264 cases in 15 years. That is <20 cases per year in the whole of UK. In a single year there are 50k rapes. This study is tinier than tiny.

4) The article contains such gems as
"100% of pedophile ring members are white"

The only definite fact I can conclude from this reporting is that white pedophiles seem to act solo while asian ones seem to befriend children in groups.

Hardly a damning verdict.

You missed out the sentence after it...

"100% of pedophile ring members are white. However, researchers said their data’s sample size had been too small and more research needed to be conducted."

That was probably done by libtards like you trying to counter this, the reported were compiled after years of data and one of the biggest cases in the UK which the police and council tried to c over up, because they did not want to be "racist".

Nice to see you legitimize rape, what's your take on murder, if you invite someone around your house and kill them, its not murder cos they came around.

haha.

Argue all you want, there's a clear problem with terrorism and bad behavior, strained services in the entire western world, and none of them are helped by these people being here.

Don't pretend they all go out and work and bring in more than they take.

There's soldiers on the streets of my country dying from being homeless while this country spends millions on someone who walked past 15 safe countries and broke into this country.

Its a disgrace and that is why Trump, Brexit, and a shift to the right is happening, because of people like you allowing these things and then trying to legitimize or rationalize it.

Face the facts, your little experiment has been a failure.
Even Merkel said it was a mistake.

We're never going agree, the diff is, I don't go to bed at night with the blood of my citizens blood on my hands. You do.

Hm, the "libtards" that reported that 100% of organised pedophile rings are white is
"the UK's lead agency against organised crime; human, weapon and drug trafficking; cyber crime; and economic crime that goes across regional and international borders, but can be tasked to investigate any crime", the national crime agency [0].

But surely, Jamerio knows better.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Agency

Edit: After reading my repyl again, I can't find where I "legitimize rape". Your link is not about rape. And I don't legitimize it.

If you are referring to my previous reply: I merely stated the facts from the BKA report. Are you claiming the national police of Germany is legitimizing rape?

Ok, my last reply for today. Since you open so many different topics all in one, from the US, to Sweden, to EU, to Brexit, refugees in Germany and third-generation asians in UK, etc etc it is hard to counter every wild claim you make.

From your previous posts on this site I recall, that you took pride in a certain sense of getting to the bottom of things and being consistent. In such wildly debatted and emotional matters as damning 1.5 billion people on earth as crime-prone and unicivilized (to frame it politely) you should be careful with your unfounded statements.

If you take the time to read the pragraph on Crime in the wikipedia [0] article on Swedish immigration, hardly an obscure source,you will learn, that

"there is no basis for drawing the conclusion that crime rates are soaring in Sweden and that that is related to immigration"

"does not support the idea that there is a link between immigration and crime" etc etc.

I really don't claim to know anything on these matters, so I must believe these law enforcement and sociological professionals. But it seems to me, that a "civil war" might not be upon us.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#Crime

A wikipedia article, gee and I bet nobody ever edits those for political or social gain on controversial subjects do they,especially as we know the left are well known for their manipulation of the media.

You're right, there's no legitmiancy in rape being assocaited with imports, just as there's no correlation between brown muslims and terrorism in the west.

Its all just a massive co-incidence. Yet google image search.

uk terrorist
french terrorist
german terrorist

And a plethora of brown skinned, brown eyed, dark haired men into islam who are by large non indigenous to the country or have been there for less than a few decades fill the pages. Even more impressive given they account for less than 10% of the demographics. But I guess that's a coincidence too.

I mean, the reports of rape in Germany around the time you let in a million from the 3rd world. Co-incidence.

And the terror attacks which followed after in Europe where hundreds died, some involving actual refugees, and virtually all involving people of that descent, co-incidence.

Its all in our heads.

I didn't say 1,5 billion people on the earth as crime prone, I said importing people from shitty parts of the world who are desperate and who we knowingly house bad elements is a disgrace and if you can't guarantee the lives and safety of your citizens, then you don't do it.

Less than .1% of the world want to blow up planes.

Does that mean you're in favor of removing airport security, cos you're more concerned with not offending over 7 billion people?

Since I did put in the work and gave some numbers to back up my claim, that

* immigrant youths are not more prone to criminality than indigenous youths (at least in Germany)

I will consider this question settled until you provide some evidence to the contrary. And no, "just do a google image search for rape capital" is no evidence to the contrary.

Islamist terrorism is another problem and not identical to the problem of integrating 1Mio refugees into our society.

I see, why it suits the narrative of some to extend the blame for these horrific acts on a whole religion/subpopulation. But this is not how we should dumb down our law or we will be in dark times pretty soon. Remeber when all FPS gamers where suspected of plotting school schootings? Demonizing a particular demographic makes for short and easy explanations of complex phenomena.

In Germany the politicians that rise in favor due to their strong anti-muslim stance often have not much other qualifying traits. This single issue is their career path. Morality, reason, facts, historic precedence don't matter. They are set to ride this wave into the highest offices.

We had, until 2011 a right-wing terror group in Germany [0], who for a decade murdered immigrants, nail bombed festivals and much more. The police did not act approriately against them, sometimes even supplying weapons or money to the group via clandestine agents. Suffice it to say, no party in the political landscape wants to make this a huge topic. But suprise, suprise, when the terrorists have moustaches: get the pitchforks!

Immigration and terrorism are of course related: Many of the refugees flee from wars that the terrorist groups conduct in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraque or saharan Africa. You understand, that there is a big schism in the muslim religion akin to protestant/catholic, right? Some regions favour one and prosecute members of the other (not unlike the situation in Northern Ireland or Bosnia not long ago in Europe).

That we take the civil people in and shelter them until the war factions have fought it out and they can go back (and most of them want to go back!) makes sense from an economic,security and moral stand point:

1) If we condemn these people to slave work or worse for their enemies will make the terrorist states stronger.

2) The generation of their kids will hate the West for this. I don't want to live in an Israel-like Europe with high walls, home-made rockets thrown over and then rolling with tanks against stone-throwers.

3) When there was a civil war in Europe, the rest of the world accepted our refugees. Everywhere we bomb we say "It's to defend human rights". Now that human rights are on the line, Europe should let the people drown in the Meditteranean. Hypocrite much?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground

Most refugees come from 3rd world shiteholes whom the majority have a retarded culture and are inbred, fuck letting all those cunts in.

Your country comes first, we got people from our own countries that are homeless on the street, army vets, folk who've paid into the British Government all their life and had an unlucky hand dealt yet can't get a house but some of these fuckugees come in with no qualifications and 10 kids and land a house for free.

Britain gives no fucks about the citizens of its own country that much is clear.

Superior civilization has spoken!

uhm... yea? are you saying that european culture is not objectively superior to what's going on in islamic cultures?

Don't waste your time with libtards. They are mental.

1) I dont think you are an expert in comparative culture studies.

2) We dont let refugees stay here to learn Arabic from them but to let them safe tbeir families from unjust persecution.

TBH Im fed up and disappointed by this continued exchange. You call yourself civilised and grant yourself the right to judge these hundreds of millions of people whos countries you never visited; whos life and fears you dont want to know; you seem full of fear and unable to even justify even this. All I got from you is Alex Jones quotes; youtube links and the discussion culture of a 15 year old.

Grow up and bye.

"All I got from you is Alex Jones quotes"

Not once have I quoted AJ and frankly if you can't even be trusted to accurately state who I quoted, I really doubt anyone will pay much attention to your summary of my other apparent shortcomings on issues which are far more subjective. Especially when its clear what you're about. DIVERSION as all commies are about identity politics.

The video I posted was clearly designed to mock the actions of liberals by merely showing the recording of their disgraceful actions.
Spitting, being violent. There was no other objective to my post. And its impossible to deny those actions did not exist.
You just didn't like the fact that infowars came off looking better.

http://www.esreality.com/post/2906715/re-dems...pid2906715

If this was your attempt at signing off by drawing a line and leaving me discredited with some kind of murky affiliation to AJ, you might want to look over the thread again, and see its your policies which have resulted in the death and rape of your fellow Europeans, not mine.

I don't get my news from AJ, I think he's paranoid, and I certainly do not possess a single recollection of a quote.

But it doesn't change the fact he had a video on his site which exposed some factual evidence of liberals acting like animals, and that's the only reason I was posting it, hence the accompanying text.

Nice try to paint me as an AJ stooge though.

you remind me of how I used to think about this issue, a few years back... until I got exposed to the facts, that is.

you should:
1) watch some videos of actual refugee migrant camps, to get an idea of who these ppl really are
2) watch some footage of these ppl talking about how they feel about the local whites and their low birthrates and how they're gonna overtake them in a few generations
3) study islam a little bit to understand what it stands for
4) talk to ppl who actually live in 'culturally enriched' neighbourhoods and ask them about their experience

'course, you won't get this information from mainstream media.

then, you can tell me if these ppl are ready, willing, and capable of cooperation, being a productive member of society, and integrating into a christian(or any non-islamic or secular for that matter) host country and culture, who are just trying to help out these poor sons of bitches, out of the goodness of their hearts... well actually, they do want something in return - their votes. they will make for some nice cheap voters one day, to keep certain ppl in power. in the meantime, you can have the common folk - especially the fundamentalist type - argue with each other, while they take control of land and resources. :) divide et impera - the oldest trick in the book, and it happens to work!

1) I went to these camps in person. People living there seemed friendly even though they have to put up with really crowded conditions.

2) I don't like to watch footage of things I can experience myself. In Germany we have between 2 and 4 Million ethnic turks whose parents or grandparents came as "guest workers" in the '50s-'70s. They are part of the country. Every major city has a turkish subculture, kebab and barber shops can be found everywhere.

Many of them still feel a strong connection to Turkey even in the 2nd and 3rd generation. They go there for holidays or even plan to retire there. Between 2 and 4 million migrated back over the years.

When we succeed to give the young immigrants of today jobs and the means to prove themselves in our society I don't see why it should be different this time, considering we are talking about a way smaller number of people.

3) To be honest I don't plan to study islam in my free time and I doubt that the anti-muslim proponents here have great knowledge of the scripture. When you start to make concrete claims not some nebulous

"study it and then you will learn how violent/wrong this religion is"

then I will dig deeper. Considering that all factual arguments by Jamerio in this thread could be debunked with 5 minutes of research allow me to have my doubts about your Koran studies.

4) To be honest, I live in a major city with 30% foreigners and the biggest group of them turkish. The proportion of muslims is the same as in London. I live here for several years and students drinking on the street at night and shouting are way more obnoxious than turkish flags on BMWs. We have a large mosque in the neighbourhood. So fucking what. They don't preach to me. The Jehovas witnesses and mormons on the other hand ...

I don't claim that everything is sunshine, that there is no drug dealing, no fist fights in the metro on friday nights. Of course there are problems. But in my experience they are more related to social factors than to religous. And for the hardcore underground religous I trust in our secret services.

oh, very predictable answer.

but personal experience isn't always superior. in some cases it is, in others it's not. I can learn much, much more about this situation while browsing from my bedroom than you can, going to 1 or 2 camps and whatnot. you get a narrow view of your personal experience from seeing a camp and living in a specific neighbourhood, while I get a much broader perspective of the entire situation.

When we succeed to give the young immigrants of today jobs and the means to prove themselves in our society

well you make some wild assumptions there.
you assume that:
- they wish to integrate, which of course they do NOT, they follow a conquering ideology
- they are educated enough to be employed, which they are not. besides, a nation's priority should be its own citizens first, to make sure they have education, job, and income, BEFORE any foreigners
- they can receive an education, when they do not even speak english, or german
- they want to prove themselves in your society, which of course they do not, they want to leech off of you until they outnumber you, then turn your country into the same barbaric backwards shithole that they came from. that's what's gonna happen, the islamization of europe has been predicted a long time ago by many.


again you appeal to the extremes... you don't have to be an 'expert' to see the difference in cultures, you just need the facts and common sense. you don't have to be an expert to understand what islam stands for, you just need the facts and common sense. it doesn't take years and decades of extensive studying of islam to see that it's a vile, backwards ideology, that wishes to conquer, with a 'convert or die' philosophy.

you also misquoted me for some reason, I had not said anything about 'violent' or 'wrong', but I guess you subconsciously knew that already.

4) again that's your narrow personal experience, only in your specific neighbourhood. you need to get clued in.

But in my experience they are more related to social factors than to religous.

keywords: in YOUR experience.
when they rape women and children, because they consider it normal, is that social or religious?
when they attack 'infidels', is that social or religious?
when they blow themselves up and scream allah akbar, is that social or religious?
I have no problem with muslims, I have a huge problem with islam.

You state these things as if they were facts, but they are only an opinion. Citation needed, buddy. A big fat citation needed.

Its only my single experience but the one guy I know a bit better who applied for asylum now speaks german with me when we meet (after ~9 months here) and has a job in senior day care.

BTW german society has a huge problem looming on the horizon, which is not the one you are so afraid about, but over-aged people that no-one wants to pay or care for. There are massive job programs to get people with acknoledged asylum status into the elderly care business.

Stay safe, guys, and don't let Brexit ruin your social system :-* Boris Johnson surely delivers. BTW all this Brussels money is going to NHS, I promise!

Over and out.

they are facts of reality, that you refuse to even investigate, because you want to remain willfully ignorant and tell yourself that everything's fine.
what citation do you expect for this, wikipedia, which is edited by humans? like the ones that censor on twitter, facebook, google, and youtube? quick example
talk to ppl from different countries and different neighbourhoods, listen to their recount, read alternative media and local news instead of msm where migrant crimes aren't reported. investigate it from multiple sources. of course you won't do that. :) no, migrants will have education and jobs and integrate into your society because one guy you know started to speak german. :D awesome

Stay safe, guys, and don't let Brexit ruin your social system :-* Boris Johnson surely delivers. BTW all this Brussels money is going to NHS, I promise!

not sure how that's relevant, was it supposed to be a random jab? I do not live in the UK, you know? (and thank 'allah' for that) :)

ps: I've just read this :)

A few weeks ago, a study published by a German criminologist found that the influx of mostly young, male migrants had led to an increase in violent crime.

The study, conducted by criminologist Christian Pfeiffer, was funded by the German government. It incorporated data from the northern state of Lower Saxony to examine the impact that refugees had on crime.

Ultimately, it attributed a 10.4% rise in violent crimes in the state during those two years almost exclusively to refugees.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-22/ger...ime-spikes

what a surprise!

:)

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Let's just look solely at your first point.

1) I went to these camps in person. People living there seemed friendly even though they have to put up with really crowded conditions.

Left-wing German politician who was raped by migrants admits she LIED to police about her attackers' nationality because she did not want to encourage racism.

https://tinyurl.com/jz7psjv

You want some more?



You want some more?



You think you're smart, you think you're have the upper hand but you don't, you're simply happy to subscribe innocent people to being raped and killed because you want to help these people.

And that's all you are. Why don't you fucking grow up and go and speak to some of the families who kids have been raped, or been stabbed, or been blown up by your precious imports, instead of pretending you're a good person.

You're the human equiv of a DoDo who were ironically wiped out by travelers in boats who took advantage of their stupidity.

I'll answer that for any liberals reading it.

Do you need to be a food critic to tell proper food from excrement?

Could you be a bit more specific? I have a hard time understanding which of the ~100 countries with muslim population >5% you are refering to metaphorically with "excrement".

France? Israel? or more like Russia? India? or were you thinking more along the lines of Kosovo? Indonesia? Maybe even Iran?

Take Iran for example, historically they dont have such a bad track record culture wise:

they are considered the cradle of civilization:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution

they have 3 times as many world cultural heritage sites as Bulgaria:
http://whc.unesco.org/en/list

according to the oxford guide to philosophy:
"the science of philosophy starts with the Indo-Iranians"

They had the first music instruments and this guy formed what we know as spanish music today, when the iberian peninsula was still known as Al-Andalusia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziryab

More recently this lady was the first woman to get the "nobel price in math" (fields medal):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Mirzakhani

If you like movies:
"critics now rank Iran as the world's most important national cinema, artistically"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_Iran

Also, I like food with pomegranate and safran :-)

Are there still white people in France?

So what is it now, 1% rise in muslims is a problem for a country or not?

I took France and Israel as examples as they have between 2x and 3x as much muslim population as Germany. Its been like this for generations, because France's involvement in northern Africa and Isreal, well ...

Anyway just wanted to know if these states are also considered to be shitholes, with their islam percentage so much higher then Swedens, Germanys, UK's after the recent immigrations.

Edit: Upon rereading your comment, I dawned on me that you maybe didn't mean to be sarcastic. In this case, rest assured, that not all of France is recruited from their soccer team. Rather, it is the other way around.

france is a shithole. Maccoroni pleaded with the UN to make sure french bread is remembered historically.
he knows france won't be french anymore in a generation or so.

all that will be left is french bread.

So what exactly is the magic number, from when on a state is a shithole unable to be safed from certain decline? How many do we have to gas/deport to get under this number and safe our culture?

considering 4/5 migrants aren't syrian and just jumped on the bandwagon.. all of em.
You were sold a lie. That they were refugees. They are not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-32400...Syria.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/m...48753053f5

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/eur...sions.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423848/...h-goldberg

That and the fact that many of them are devoid of refugee status by leaving the first safe country they land in and the fact that many of them are blatantly lying about their age.

it was sold as refugees from Syria because of the war.
Where did the Africans come from then?
What do they have to do with Syria?

Why was the immigration not stopped once it was realized the refugees weren't refugees let alone Syrian?
(at least 2015 if not 2014)

Why is it still going on unhindered?

Why is Europe assimilating to Islam? Why aren't the 'refugees" assimilating to European culture?

It all depends. We have a few thousands of muslim in Poland and they don't cause any major trouble.
Now the question is, is it because they are civilised and they don't want to convert every human being on the planet to islam or they are too few to do anything.

Problem starts when you have someone paying big monies to destroy muslim countries for whatever (((reason))). Then they pay big monies to transport all the black people into white people's land.
It doesn't matter if the black guy is from a war zone or wants a free dental plan or is a terrorist that will blow himself up.
We just don't know.

It is mental that we just let anyone get out of their shitty boats and travel anywhere they want only to form some sort of muslim ghetto and try to live as if they were in their african tier shithole.

U kno' what IMA sayin'?

Not a lot.

I went there to Paris on summer vacation at the age of 16. The first thing that stood out and shocked me was the amount of black and brown people, since you know, here in Hungary, you might see one or two of them during your lifetime(apart from the gypsies, that is), and that's about it. Well, that was 17 years ago, so you can imagine the situation nowadays.

Ok, so France, US, UK are all failed states by this great metric. This (1) seems not to exactly align with the economic reality. (2) We are creeping closer and closer to open rasicm (sorry for introducing this term in the discussion :-( , when "being shocked by the existence of black people" is a thing.

1) I thought you were 'good bye' and 'over and out' a few comments ago
2) why are you replying to my comment that was a reply to somebody else's (sarcastic) question? instead take a look at new migrant crime stats from your country
3) uhhh... what? I haven't said a word about failed states or economy, nice straw-man buddy
4) oh nice now I'm racist, that didn't take long(or took too long?) tell me exactly which part of my comment made you arrive to that conclusion.
5) "being shocked by the existence of black people" another misquote and mischaracterization of my words, you're good at that.
if I as a teenager experience something unusual and unexpected, I think I'm allowed to feel genuine surprise. that's got absolutely nothing to do with racism.


next time you say bye, are you gonna stay gone?

1) I said good bye to Jamerio since I'm not interested in discussion via youtube-videos. If you don't want me to reply to you, fine. I won't after this. I reserve the right to reply to other people though.

2) You are right, I mistook the intendation level of your comment and didn't look at the "Reply to #" number.3. Sorry for the confusion.

3) That this discussion has something to do with prosperity and state sovereignity was an assumption on my part. Since I don't know the definition of the term "shithole" I used the more common "failed state".

4) I see now, that your shock about seeing black people at the tender age of 17 was not racist. It merely reflects on your upbringing. Yes, France, as the dominant colonial power of Africa for several centuries has more coloured people than Eastern Europe.

Just a tip: Don't go to the US. You would be sooo shocked.

5) You have a point here. I'll be careful, when using quotation marks, when I'm actually paraphrasing.

Of course you can feel surprised when you encounter something unusual.

"I said good bye to Jamerio since I'm not interested in discussion via youtube-videos."

Actually you said goodbye becuase the videos did an undenibable job of exposing how full of shit you are.

You wanted to tell us how about your apparent expereinces within migrants camps, but you didn't want to acknwoledge that other german aid workers have been raped at these very camps.

https://tinyurl.com/jz7psjv

And the list goes on....



And on...



You couldn't beat me because I made you and the rest of the world realize one very simple fact about you as person and your warped belief system.

You are literally helping people who will rape and kill.

Which is ultimately why you don't want to discuss anything with me, because I rooted you and whatever counter point you have, there is no escape from the shadows of your actions.

That's how I and other people should always justify their stance against lefties like you.

ROOTED.

You are literally helping people who will rape and kill.

sums it up, but I would add a 'you' at the end also.

thanks for the links, I'll file it under #ReligionOfPeace, my ever-growing compilation.

and fuck you virtue-signaling libtards, you're mentally deranged, you are trying to suicide europe. well, not while I'm living. we still have a few mosques and minarets standing here, as a reminder that we almost got wiped out by these barbaric savages in the 16th century. we will not let that happen, ever again. why do you think czech, slovakia, hungary, and poland give the EU the middle finger even in the face of lawsuits, trying to force quotas on us...

no but because you are not discussing. you don't listen to or care about your conversation partner, you disrespect. there is literally nothing he could have said that made u question or change anything of your oppinion. talking to you has nothing to do with a discussion, you just look for a opportunity to drop your oppinion and pre-determined "evidence" for it. it's a triggered monolog.
a monolog with a retard. you accuse the other guy of the same ignorance towards the problems/problemativc events you point out to that you show toward his experiences and other facts. reality has multiple sides of a coin. and many different people. rapists and nice ones. also among muslims and refugees. you don't know the quota. no1 knows the quota. don't act as if you did. be aware that you obviously choose to only accept information about this if it fits your attitude which biases your oppinion. also you don't seem to realize how little of this world you perceive, that dramatic/special (especially special negative) events are more likely to land on your pc screen, that you are most likely in some filter bubble (like all of us, but it doesn't harm to be aware of what kind it is), and that things that don't fit your attitudes can be true nontheless.
and you are literally too stupid to realize that pointing out another aspect =/= logically killing the validity of the other argument and/or convincing the other person that your aspect is the only thing that matters for judgment, which makes you think you're a winner all the time. lol.

You do have a good point when you say that there are good and bad individuals in (almost?) all groups. But on the other hand groups of people have different cultures and these cultures STRONGLY influence their behavior, arguably at least as strongly as individual character traits (e.g. football/soccer fans have a different culture than golf fans; university lecturers have a different culture than rap musicians; etc.)

Thus I don't say that all muslims/refugees are evil; I say that their culture and their religion is problematic, particularly when it comes to women, antisemitism and violence.

You claim that "you don't know the quota. no1 knows the quota" - there are fairly accurate criminal statistics (e.g. here https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Starker-Anstieg-b...07048.html). So yes, we DO know the quota, if we bother to look at it.

What policies we should implement is another issue alltogether, but at some point we will need to face the harsh realities instead of perpetuating ideological fairytales. I'd rather implement some unconfortable measures today than ignore the problem until it is so big that it can't be solved in a reasonable and civilized way anymore.

What i ment is that we don't know how many are "problematic" (in a broader term) vs, ok, I am well aware that there are ciminality statistics. Some ugly numbers there. Personally I think conviction rates are a better indicator than suspicions. However, aggreeing that this one contains ugly numbers, this is not the "good guy/criminal quota" either. (Besides you gotta be careful not to blame personalties and cultural ideas/norms/values for things that might be caused by other (rather situational) circumstances. Not taking party in this statement, it's a rather universal logical truth.)

I agree that conviction rates would be better than suspicions, but I am not aware of any data on that, so we gotta go with what we've got. For the more serious types of crimes (e.g. murder/manslaughter) these rates will most likely be more or less identical, as almost all suspicions seem to end in a conviction. So I personally consider the introduced uncertainty to be not relevant for the discussion.

We should not jump to conclusions (as you pointed out), but in this specific case there's a preponderence of supporting data. Thus it is reasonable to consider it a cultural/religious problem until someone brings up some solid evidence against that conclusion or offers an alternative theory which describes the fact pattern more accurately and/or with less assumptions (lex parsimoniae).

That still leaves the question for policies unanswered.
I, for one, suggest that we stop letting male migrants into Europe until we figure out how to effectively deal with the problems which were created by the recent migration waves.

try ... make a walk through Newark in the u.s. ... or go make some walks in Marseille in france ... try to park a car that is 1-2 years old and from BWM or Mercedes somewhere in southern france outside of a hotel and take a look on it after 3 days and see what has happenend :-)

What kind of an assumption is that I must be talking about 5% or more? Also what kind of an argument is "well they were amazing five centuries ago"? I'm talking about right now. We don't even need to go into child marriages, honor killings, FGM, women's rights, freedom of speech, inbreeding, tolerance of gays or even the percentage of nobel prize winners by religion(spoiler alert: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Relig...inners.png ). Just answer me this, would you say yes if I asked you if you'd prefer living in the middle east instead of Germany if Israel wasn't an option?

edit: to clarify my point because it seems to have gone over your head - you don't need to be an expert to discern that western culture with whatever faults it has is LITERALLY centuries ahead of islamic culture.

Oh yes, I love being born in a functioning economy with all the freedom rights that I enjoy. No doubt about it. Some people in our society also have a hard time, but I think we are doing reasonably well. Probably some people in Middle East are also doing well, but maybe not so much in relative terms.

But originally this discussion was about people coming here from war zones, not Iran etc.

I dont want to do culture comparison TBH. I dont know much about this culture, and 1.5 billion people mostly dont want to "conquer the west" and wash dishes in Germany instead of being a teacher in Teheran or whatever.

How would I like to live in Saudi Arabia? Not that much (especially as a woman). But fact is: Saudis dont immigrate here. The Saudi culture does not pose a threat to European values, since they dont come here.

Do I want to live in Putin Russia, also a clear NO. And russians are a big minority in Germany. And they are not the most loyal Putin folks: Thats why the came to Germany in the first place! TBH I also wouldnt like to live in the US. Thats why I live in Germany. Or else, I would have emigrated. I guess most people feel strongly connected to their country and think of it as their home.

Also, most people cant apply for asylum here. You have to be politically persecuted/threat of death in your country.

So end of story I think it will be fine, when we work hard, together with the 1 Mio asylum seekers. As I said earlier: We have ~4 Mio turks in Germany and it was never a problem.

Of course you have to keep an eye open and make these people part of the society. Show them our way to do things; that its Ok for women to wear no scarfs and that this does not make them targets. I think 1% of society will not change the rest of society.

Way to put the onus on the right side. It is the responsibility of whoever wants to be part of one country to integrate himself into it. And it's the responsibility of the people of the country(i.e. government) to get him the fuck out if he's incapable or not wanting to.

asians groom people irl, whites groom on the internet

"Relax, man. I'm willing to discuss this in a civilised manner. But calling other opinions "retarded", "cancerous" etc will accomplish nothing."

When you have opinions which are "ok" with the import of death and rape of your own people, and you're happy for that to carry on, because you think there's bigger picture here, then you deserve to called on it.

Nice flag, commie d:=)

lol. we rule the world.
our influence is sky rocketing.
MAGA is spreading globally.
Europe is waking up.

Most other countries other than europe like us better now.

Sure, if your aim is to be "liked" by China, Russia and Turkey, then go ahead. While the US abandon old allies, the Chinese are happy to play ball with the Europeans and take the place of the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Belt_One_Road_Initiative

China loves Trump. Anybody else have a nice dinner in the forbidden city? no. Last guy to go to china had to wheel out his own stairs and get out the back of the airplane.

America needs no one. We have everything here. Only tropical fruits do we need to import.
Greenhouses though ;)

What do we need europe for? We already do business with the other middle eastern nations.
Why do we need Eurostan for anything?

You need to work on your troll-speak :-)

Funny, though.

Tolerant Liberals.


A whore claiming her job is just as valid as important as everyone else's.

And a foaming, spitting liberal claiming other people are fascists, while acting like a complete psycho.

Or the triggered dad who could not answer a simple question and became violent.

you got degenerates like that on both sides

and infowars IS garbage

bill clinton IS a rapist

I don't disagree, but I'm not sure how that's relevant.

infowars DOT com

George Soros is evil also.

It's just in this time and place "fuckin jews, Bush did 9/11" seems to be less hypocritical.

and gay frogs ARE gay

If the country had any balls they'd shoot the lot of those snowflakes, dead, nada

Jamerio, watching INFOWARS youtube videos is like getting your wold news from Antifa. It is just super-biased to a ridiculous degree:

Every Democrat: Commie, every European/East Coast/West Coast guy is a liberal -> Commie, every scholar -> Commie, etc etc.
and also BUY THOSE SUPPLEMENTS!!11111!!!

You just sound like a lunatic, when you talk about the stuff you heard there. Don't know if you realize, but the 99% of people outside the INFOWARS demographic don't end their sentences with "libtard snowflakes" or whatever the opposite is.

Fact based information instead of these "hate/hype/the-other-side-is-totally-retarded"-shows makes for better decisions and maybe you can even convince one or two from the other side. I doubt this will happen when you post 'snowflake-rants' to your facebook page.

but infowars tells him what he wants to hear

I was simply posting a video of some libtards acting like libtards.
There was nothing fake or anything to deny as info-wars in this instance just kept the camera rolling and the opposition did the rest.

Did you miss the hooker thinking she was an equal?
The spitting psycho anarchist?
The aggressive dad with his son?
The old man farting?

I just found these amusing to witness and felt readers would too, I guess you felt bad about your side being so retarded they actually ended up making info-wars looking good and you felt the need to intervene.

I wasn't getting my news from info wars. The video was mostly making fun of triggered libtards and its that simple.

How did a discussion about the economic and cultural future of europe evolve into "look this guy farted".

You should value your time higher.

Good bye.

This was a separate post and point.
Sorry if I made your home boys look silly.

germany non white in one generation.

hey ive been offline whats this about

FISA abuse memo drawn up by Nunez.
Memo itself is located in a secure room. No phones, paper, pens.. nothing.
Reps are working on getting it released to the public.

Basically says russia is bullshit.
Trump was spied on illegally.
Pee gate dossier was used to get the wiretaps of incoming admin.

Possble text messages between strozk and some chick discussing backup plans to fuck over trump should he win.
Strozks texts and 50,000 other fbi phones txts erased "by accident" so convienient.
Sessions ordered recovery of texts.

Possible assasination plots of president in texts. Texts are missing from the day mueller took over investigation up until now.

Textas also reference a "secret society" Which has been meeting off base (outside fbi) Also using burner phones. New FBI whistleblowers coming forward

Dems have not read the FISA memo. They are actually saying its a lie. Rep adam shiff and Feinstein sent formal letters to FB and twitter telling them that the #releasethememo hashtag was being perpetrated by russian bots. Twitter complied initially within the first 2 days. Their own internal evidence shows no russian bots. Actual citizens pushing it. Adam shiff is also having drawn up the dems own version of the memo. So we get the actual investigation memo, then the dems tryhard dindu nuffin version.



Memo will be released within a few weeks. Dem party goin down, cohorts and global cohorts going down.

right okay thanks for explaining ill be waiting for sentencing or im calling this fake news

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/24/580068641/the-...er-the-fbi

so when will be it released. i heard 21 days somewhere?

if i check back in, say, 3 weeks it will have dropped and the downfall of the democratic party will have begun?

hopefully.
not just dems. i'd assume it's both sides.

Jamerio is spot on

How to defeat any libtard on the planet with a family size packet of skittles. (or replace with suitable alternative)

1) Buy a family size packet size of skittles.

2) Empty the contents into a container in front of them.

3) Take one of the skittles out, and replace it with an identical one which you've told them has been laced with poison (don't really do this - its hypothetical to reflect a bad refugee-coughs) and that they need to sign a declaration before they eat them.

4) Offer them the bag of skittles and pay them £1000 to eat the entire contents in front of you.

Don't worry, not a single one of them will eat them so your money is safe. But you've just exposed them for free.

At this point, remind the libtard that they being racist and unreasonable, because most of the skittles are fine, this is afterall how their belief system works with so called refugees.

They know bad elements are coming in, but they justify it because they know its more than likely some other poor fuck like you and me will get the poison skittle.

And its that's simple and sinister.

These people are knowingly poisoning you with a product they would not touch themselves and worse of all, they are trying to make you feel bad about not eating it.

If that's not the definition of evil, I don't know what is.
I mean, I almost feel bad having to write such a wicked analogy, but at least I don't actually put this into play!

And that's why these people deserve to be called out for what they are, because that is what they are doing, except on a much bigger scale.

Anybody want a skittle?

If you're at it you can show them some videos of mexicans ripping other people's chests, braking their ribs and cutting out their hearts :^)

Argh, why am I even replying to this :-D

1) You didnt "write" this years old analogy.

2) There was crime in Europe before 2015. 95% of sexual crimes have domestic suspects. And domestic suspects are under-reported in this statistic.

3) If every skittle represents a safed human life, eating them amounts to humanitarian work. Pretty sure, some people do this.

4) Your chance of dying in a terror attack in Europe is lower than than slipping in your bathtub and cracking your skull.

5) If CRIME RATES is all that matters, we could ship some violent domestic people first to the netherworld. One could also wonder why we elect some sexual predators to POTUS. Maybe life is, after all, not 1-dimensional.

Trump has never been convicted of sexual assault

Every man with a set of balls has said or thought of something similar to what he said "God I'd love to grab that ass, I'd love to squeeze those tits" etc.

I agree that 'innocent until proven guilty' is an important principle to uphold.

It's not a great argument to deny people without criminal records entry to your country, though.

"It's not a great argument to deny people without criminal records entry to your country, though."
-> It's not an argument to let them in either.

due process ('innocent until proven guilty') is a process which protects citizens' rights: e.g. the government can not deprive you of your right to freedom without due process; they can't just lock you up.

Migrants on the other hand have no inherent right to live in the US (or in Europe or whereever the discussion might be focussed). Due process does not grant you rights you never head to begin with.


Above you claimed that "2) There was crime in Europe before 2015. 95% of sexual crimes have domestic suspects. And domestic suspects are under-reported in this statistic."

This 95% number is demonstrably wrong for Germany. (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Starker-Anstieg-b...07048.html). There was crime before 2015, but the number of crimes have risen significantly and new types of crimes have surfaced: There were no semi-organized mass sexual assaults in public events prior to 2015 and gangrapes weren't a thing either.

How much data would it require for you to admit that we are dealing with a serious cultural/religious issue here?

All potential immigrants should be held in contempt before any possibility of entry. If you can't prove that the person does not have a criminal record, then why would you let him in? You can only let a certain amount of immigrants into your society, and there are a lot more people trying to get in than people that will get in. So, it makes sense to wait until you find someone who can prove that they do not have a criminal record.

Innocent until proven guilty is meant to protect the accused. Immigrants are not being accused of anything and instead are making a choice to enter a new nation. Therefore they do not have this protection because they are requesting a privilege and not exercising a right.

Stopping people from entering the country illegally should be a priority for every country.

1) I did write it. Whether someone else wrote it is purely co-incidental.

2) Yes there was crime, but now there is more crime and that crime generally did not involve terrorism, of which has been coming in with these so called refugees, and in the future, we will find that many of the terrorists of tomorrow will be linked to these people coming in now. Just as we are now with current day terrorists.

3)There is nothing humanitarian about recklessly sacrificing someone from your own country, to save someone from another who came to you. If you had a son and and someone put a gun to his head and said, either he dies, and you save two other strangers, or he lives and two others die, I make a billion dollar bet your kid lives and so would the other %99.999999 of the population.

Again, you people pretend you are good people, but when the negative aspects of your so called belief system affect you personally, you would soon change.

4) That doesn't change the fact that hundreds of people have died in terror attacks in the west in the last few years, almost all of which have been carried out by imports who have been imported in the last 75 years.

Guess where many of the terrorists of tomorrow will come from?

Yep, the people do-gooders like you have been helping.

5)I would have no problem shipping shit out, but to ship crap in whihc is not our problem is another thing. Beforei t used to be giving money to the 3rd world, now we have to live among it and play russian roulette with our lives for it.

Wouldn't it be nice to actually respond to me and have a solid answer which shuts me up?

But you can't, its all just designed to detract from what you know the truth is. You're constantly trying to rationalize the fact that you're handing out death sentences to innocent people because you dare not consider the full extent of your actions, or even worse, you just rationalize it.

Personally I don't give two shits if a million of these people die if it means 100 people from my country do not killed by them.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26395/report-h...nk-berrien

4) Your chance of dying in a terror attack in Europe is lower than than slipping in your bathtub and cracking your skull.

5) If CRIME RATES is all that matters, we could ship some violent domestic people first to the netherworld. One could also wonder why we elect some sexual predators to POTUS. Maybe life is, after all, not 1-dimensional.

Top kurwa retard.

oh my god andrew mccabe just quit

tee hee

they voted. The memo will be released!
the dems own memo was shut the fuck down lol. they were trying to counter memo, the memo.
fbi and doj will be investigated also.

The butt hurt is just to much.

give all of the democrats tide pods to chew on.

he's the ddk of alternative news.
Pelosi looked like she had a cyanide pill in her mouth just in case trump read the memo.

IMAGINE MY SHOCK!

Quality content!

Your youtube start page must truly be a sight to behold and ponder on the merits of modern education.

This thread has the perfect amount of Autism.

Wisest words in the entire thread

the memo is OUT!!? hilary clinton is going to JAIL!!!!!

This memo is the 1000th Trump smoke bomb. It serves no other purpose than to distract from the ongoing investigations into his campaign and to discredit the law enforcement agencies conducting them. It remains to be seen if the US electorate will fall for this media tactics.

We are now at a point, where the president misspelling a word in a tweet gets the same frenzy-like media coverage as him not enacting sanctions against a foreign state that were put into law by a 517 to 5 Congressional vote. [0] I think this is an inconstitutional overstep, that every president in history would be impeached for.

Hillary Clinton has LOST the race. She is history. Why discredit law enforcement, intelligence agencies, media, former governments, the judicial system, basically everything absolutely fundamental to a functional democracy to paint Clinton as the big schemer. She LOST ffs. Focus you fucks!

The known facts concerning this memo:

The Clinton campaign in 2016 pays a british ex-agent, Steele, to compile a dossier on Trump's Russia connections probably in order to paint him as overly friendly/business-depended/black-mailable to the Russians. Digging up dirt, while not a particularly nice thing to do, is standard fare for election races today.

A Trump campaign "foreign policy advisor", Carter Page, proclaims openly, that he is also "advisor to the Kremlin", in 2013 has the FBI interrogate him for acting as a Russian agent, has a 2014 FISA warrant and proceeds to make undisclosed trips to Moskow after joining the Trump team.

The FBI in Oktober 2016 applies for a new FISA warrant against him. They also cite the information gathered by Steele, acknowledging that Steele's dossier was funded by Clinton. They get the warrant, which is also renewed 3 times, based on new information every time.

When Page's new trips surface, Trump tries to put as much distance as he can between himself and Page. Now claims he never met him, he never was part of the Trump campaign. Alternative facts, you know.

And the agencies with enough resources to figure out what Putin's hook in Donald's mouth is made of are being discredited by the guy who gets investigated... Brave new democracy.

[0]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/ameri...84866.html

ok but donnie didnt break any laws doe

What you mean?

May I direct you to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

Have a nice weekend read.

yeah i couldnt find anything not saying claiming or allegedly post 2010. are u actually strawmanning or didnt u realise i was speaking in the period of his election to present? Xd

Do you mean after 2010 or after his election (2016) or his inauguration (Jan 2017)?

Between 2010 and 2016 there are 10 different *categories* of lost lawsuits and court cases in the linked article.

So I guess, you mean after the election 2016? Since he is constitutionally shielded from the law (it's called "immunity") by his office, he by definition did not lose any court cases.

If he get's impeached (e.g. for obstruction of justice), however... The courts will have some catching up to do, I guess :-)

huh which ones i cant find them

Wow nice article, what election hacking? STILL pushing bullshit Russia narrative, that has zero evidence, apart from some weak facebook posts? What about Russia Uranium One deal with the Clintons, which has actually happened?
Sanctions are retarded, what's so wrong with being friends instead of going cold war 2.0? Regardless of what your reasons for doing that may be.

Both camps can go die in a fire and I don't give a shit about the memo, but if they did conspire against somebody, they need to be held accountable - common sense, distraction or not.

And what democracy? lol!
Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters
Duh...

"Weak facebook posts".

Yeah, there was a little bit more, going on [0]:

* Russian hackers getting the DNC emails with approval from "high above". 8 different forensic groups have concluded the Russian to be the source.
* Voter registration systems targeted in several states
* 'Russian Institute for foreign studies' tried to subvert faith in the elections after Hillary was polled to win (Remberd the "rigged" talk, by Donald?)
* 'Trolls from Olgino' flooding social media
* Ad campaigns bought on Facebook for millions of $

There are 4 differenent investigations ongoing about this. Trump's own security and intelligence chiefs being strongly in favor of these investigations and he, in return trying to fire them :-)

I will leave you with a quote from the Trump appointed US ambassador to Russia:

"There is no question, underline no question, that the Russian government interfered in the U.S. election last year."

But sure, you know better than the US intelligence community! What do they know, after all. CIA, FBI, bunch of libtards, am I right?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interfe..._elections

Meaning?

First of all, stop linking your wikipedia bullshit. It's not reliable, it's edited by people who have political biases. Twitter has already admitted censoring 50% of DNC-leak related tweets, and YT(Google) has just admitted to de-ranking news channels. These sources are literally full of shit, only propping up their own agenda.

Secondly, DNC emails weren't hacked, it was a leak from the inside. Assange has already confirmed ages ago that it was NOT a Russian source. While he has not directly confirmed because he cannot do that, but the source was most likely Seth Rich, who was assassinated by the Clinton Mafia in a 'botched robbery' where they didn't take his watch nor wallet, and whose investigation they kept hindering.
Assange is a good man and I sure as hell trust him over any of these bullshit mainstream outlets, also considering that Wikileaks has NEVER released any fake information this past decade, it's all been legitimate so far, as have been the DNC email leaks, which caused certain people in the DNC to resign - enough said.

Yea I actually do know better, their job is subversion and manipulation, and leading ignorant fucks like yourself by their nose.

Oh, for someone who knows world politics better then the US intelligence services you should really know that Putin already admitted that the DNC hack was done by "patriotic russian hackers". Not connected to the government of course;-)

No he hasn't. It was a leak from the inside, not a hack. Won't repeat myself. You are an idiot, which comes as no surprise, since you are also insane and suicidal, inviting islamic invasion to your homeland.

Before you go full name-calling and change the topic, let me sum up your points:

* Assange said the DNC mails didn't come from Russia (but he never said it was a leak)
* some guy working for the DNC was shot
-> conclusion: It must have been this guy who leaked the mails

So it's Mr. Assanges word against all intelligence services and security companies who have ACTUALLY LOOKED at the hacks.

Presidential briefing [0]
Declassified report [1]

Also, regarding Russian interference, there were not only the DNC hacks. Look at the other points in my previous post (voter systems, facebook ads, state trolls). Putin made clear at various times that he prefered Trump to Hillary.

The funny thing is: All of this is besides the point. I'm not interested in debunking ridiculous conspiracy theories. And will stop now. What matters is that the President of the US does not believe what his security experts are saying him!

No one gives a shit if Lacceh believes 9/11 or DNC hacks was an inside job. The problem is when the POTUS has 500 elected officials giving him a law and he refuses to act on it, because he values Mr. Assanges opinion higher. That should scare the US voter, Republican or Democrat alike.


[0] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/common...2-6-16.pdf

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/common...ctions.pdf

"What matters is that the President of the US does not believe what his security experts are saying him!"

When Trump took over many GVT agencies had been under democrat rule for years, and they still have many pawns there who hate Trump and are working to reverse the situation. They know where their bread is buttered by the DNC, and know when Trump say's he draining the swamp, he's talking about people like them.

Trump has every right to be suspect of nearly everyone because there are so many knives out for him. He wasn't part of the plan.

There has never ever been such a concerted global effort to undermine a US president and the people doing it are not the russians or chinese, but are from the US/EUROPE.
The grammys, oscars, actors, DNC, news stations, twitter posters of celebs all virture signalling BBC, Guardian, professors at the local uni's.

You're asking people to pathologically trust security services whose business it is to invade anyone's life they choose with a press of a button, vs a billionaire who loves his country and wants to do something for it instead of giving the shop away like Obama.

A man who could have spent the rest of his life on a beach surrounded by all the women he wanted, fulfilling every sordid fantasy, but instead put his neck on the line for the toughest job in the world. That tells me more about Trump than anything else.

Do I need to remind you modern day gvt's like germany and the EU are knowlingly importing hordes of 3rd world people into their country who they know are security risks and have already harmed the people they are there to protect?

And you think these institutions are looking out for the sole interests of the people from those countries?

I always find it hilarious when biased schills like you talk about Russian Facebook ads, and overlook the hideous bias of the actual news outlets in their own country who have 100 times more influence and the betrayal of many GVT's in the west against their own people.

But ohh, its always the evil russians like a bad script from a rocky movie in the 1980's. When every time I turn the news on I'm greeted by the BBC pretending they are holier than thou pushing agendas left right and central.

From where I am standing, the people running much of Europe and America are doing way more harm to the people they should be looking after than any foreign outsider.

And if Russians had any real influence and were rigging machines, then why did Obama get 8 years?

People had enough of bush and the war and wanted a change, a black democrat represented the ultimately change and brought hope (yes even I watched his inauguration and thought he would be good), but the novelty soon wore off and the american people wanted someone who will look after their interest instead of these globalist politicians who don't believe in flags, anthems, borders and want to rule the world as some murky superstate many people do not want.

They need to erode all of things from you to control you and people like you need to tarnish the decision of the people as being cheated, because you can't accept that you lost or the developed world is not ready for what you want.

Luckily enough people have woken up in time and the result of that is an information war.

When Trump took over many GVT agencies had been under democrat rule for years, and they still have many pawns there who hate Trump and are working to reverse the situation.

Trump has every right to be suspect of nearly everyone because there are so many knives out for him.

I always find it hilarious when biased schills like you talk about Russian Facebook ads, and overlook the hideous bias of the actual news outlets in their own country who have 100 times more influence and the betrayal of many GVT's in the west against their own people.

agree

Those weren't my points at all, he was not a random guy.
Also, I said: "Secondly, DNC emails weren't hacked, it was a leak from the inside. Assange has already confirmed ages ago"
Then you said: "but he never said it was a leak". Try reading, thanks.

who have ACTUALLY LOOKED at the hacks.

What hacks exactly?

Presidential briefing [0]
Declassified report [1]

And why even link that? Just an assessment, pushing the classic anti-Russia narrative, bashing RT, blablabla. No evidence.

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.

That's cute. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?! There was no need to discredit Hillary, she's a lying piece of disgusting shit and ppl knew it. She managed to lose to a reality show star orange buffoon, that takes some special talent to be that awful.
Bernie is still BY FAR the most popular politician in the US, polls show this. He would've CRUSHED Trump and wiped the floor with him. Of course, the DNC fucked him over, it's all in the leaked e-mails, Donna Brazile confirmed it(much later), look it up the interview with her. The DNC played dirty, has failed to stay neutral and unbiased, they pushed Hillary, and still lost. It's an epic fail, with devastating consequences since it should be President Sanders right now if they hadn't cheated him out of it. And I'm not even a big Bernie fan, but obviously night and day difference between him and the orange clown.

Putin made clear at various times that he prefered Trump to Hillary.

NO SHIT REALLY DUDE? Hillary is a hawkish warmonger, always has been, and made her anti-Russia stance very clear during the campaign. Whereas Trump said he wanted to be friendly with Russia - why not. So, you're surprised Putin would have such a preference? Really? That does not automatically mean they've rigged the election. :D LOL!
Why even bring this up? I'll tell you why: because there is NO FUCKING EVIDENCE, and you are desperate as fuck.

I'm not interested in debunking ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Cool, me neither. Where is the "ridiculous conspiracy theory" here exactly?

What matters is that the President of the US does not believe what his security experts are saying him

I don't know what he does or does not believe, but there is no evidence, so why should he? As a sidenote, those intelligence agencies - NSA, FBI, CIA - have such a pristine record in the past... they would NEVER lie... right? RIGHT?! :D

Lacceh believes 9/11

Oh, getting very desperate now with the straw-man fallacies. Didn't say shit about 9/11 or any conspiracy theories, and DNC leak was from the inside. You realize that Assange is the editor and the e-mails have been obviously published, AND as usual turned out to be legitimate since ppl have resigned over it, AND later confirmed by Donna Brazile(DNC chairperson after resignation of Debbie W. Schultz).

The problem is when the POTUS has 500 elected officials giving him a law and he refuses to act on it, because he values Mr. Assanges opinion higher.

I did not say anything about that. And I don't think Trump has anything to do with Assange or that he listens to him, I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with that. But if it somehow did, that'd actually be a positive thing, since WikiLeaks does actually have a pristine record of 11 years of publishing legitimate information, unlike US intel agencies lying left and right.

Nothing personal against you but your arguments are complete dogshit and have no leg to stand on. Please don't write more BS or keep it short, I'm tired of correcting your shit. And try to actually read this time and soak it in. I'm sorry that you are a useful idiot who loves and invites migrant criminal thugs into his homeland, and also believes any NSA/CIA/FBI claims at face value with no hard evidence - but that is your problem, don't make it mine.

I'll be brief.

Source where Assange says he got the material from a DNC member?

Ok, you agree that Putin had a motive. He certainly has the means: Fancy bears already hacked Doping labs, etc. So why didnt he do it?

Im not denying that dnc fucked sanders over and the mails are legit. Your point?

What do you mean there is no evidence?you want to analyze serrver logs from dncs mail infrastructure? 8 different security companies did this. They all agree that it was russian hackers. What more do you want?

1) That's from over a year ago, look it up yourself.

2) Sure, if that makes you happy. If two candidates are battling, and one of them openly hates your country(and keep in mind the history of US imperialism, meddling, and that their military budget is 9 times that of Russia's), while the other one seeks to improve relations with you, which one would you prefer? This is common sense, but again if it makes you happy, sure it is a motive. :) But it is very telling that you have to take this approach, and say things like "he has the means". So what? I don't know what Doping labs means and don't care right now, don't change the subject. What do you mean 'So why didn't he do it?' So if they do one thing, that must automatically mean by default assumption that they also do everything else? Holy crap, the desperation here is REAL.

3) My point? My point is that your very intimidating, official-looking, yet vapid, shitty links from US intel said, quote: "We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him."
There was zero need for Russians or anybody else to make Hillary look unfavourable. She's a natural at that, but the DNC scandal also played a big role. That's the point. Do you know how many people the DNC cheating Bernie angered? On top of that, Bernie ended up officially endorsing Hillary(which IMO was a big mistake, but I believe he had good intentions, he was hoping to be able to accomplish something from the background if she won), which made things even worse. When all of this went down, I've seen COUNTLESS people(a lot of them Bernie supporters - formerly, in some cases) vowing to vote for Trump just because of 'FUCK DEMS' and the one they were pushing(Hillary). So again, there was no need to make her look bad, they all have done it on their own with their special talent of being able to lose an unlosable fight to an orange buffoon.

4) I mean exactly that - there's no evidence. Just because the FBI/NSA/CIA release a 'very official-looking' publication where they claim "Oh yea Russians did it guys! Because we say so! BTW RT is bad! But CNN/FOX/BBC/MSNBC are great!", it doesn't mean they did it. If there were hard evidence, you would've been showing me that from the start, and shut me up, but there isn't any, which is instead you're desperately talking about motive and having means. No evidence and never has been, it's a distraction from their own crimes and hypocrisy(like Uranium One), that's what it's always been. END. OF. DISCUSSION. Unless you're going to provide hard evidence for Russia hacking the 2016 US presidential election, don't even bother replying.

1) Not gonna do your work for you. So no evidence then, I guess. This seems your main point, though. Funny, that you won't find a source for it, don't you think?

2) I was refering to the WADA hack. [0]

3) Ok you dont like her. Yeah, I can kind of agree. Also, she played her cards wrong. Anyway, she is history now. Moving on.

4) Name an example of "evidence" please. You are getting more and more philosophical, when no informed expert opinion in the world is evidence for you. You ever read Descartes?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear#Worl...ng_Agency_(August_2016)

Edit: I just saw this wikileaks tweet:
"Note on sourcing #DNCLeaks. We have, as usual, not revealed our sources. Anyone who claims to know who our source is has no credibility."

Ergo, they never claimed the source was a DNC member. Hope you learned a thing today.

It's your work, not mine. It's a fucking event from 2016, you think I archive every single thing that I can just pull it up on command? Search it yourself, wasted enough time constantly refuting your BS.

Why are you linking me more wikipedia stuff when I've just told you that a) they're not trustworthy but more importantly b) I don't care, and that's off-topic. I don't care what some Russian group may or may not have hacked, it doesn't pertain to anything here.
I have enough research to do, 50 tabs in my browser at any time, don't have time for your crap to bog my mind down.

I had already said that they NEVER reveal the identity of sources, thanks for repeating it.

Yeah, much research. 50 tabs open. So much surf. Good luck!

BTW: "Refuting" something is not "giving your opinion". And if you consider RT a reliable source, then your critical thinking skills are so-so, at best.

Some facts on RT:

* they are 100% russian state-financed
* they are registered as foreign agent in the US
* RT people quit their jobs in protest over the spinning of the MH17 incident [0]
* they are categorizied as government propaganda channel by Journalism Review, BBC, Spiegel, NYT, Guardian, etc etc
* Reporters without borders: "another step of the state to control information"
* Columbia school of journalism runs a watch-blog on all the shady stuff on RT: http://rtwatchcuj.tumblr.com

Do you think RT is a good source to consult on matters of Russian hacking allegations?

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/18...n-malaysia

Do you think RT is a good source to consult on matters of Russian hacking allegations?

Wow, another incredible straw-man from you, nice job.
I've never cited RT, I've never said a word about RT.
The only time I've even mentioned RT was summing up your intel agencies published document that contained two things: 1) claiming Russia hacks with no evidence 2) bashing RT.

I've been watching RT for some years now, but obviously I get my news from multiple different sources. So I have a pretty good idea about them, and simply put they are a mixed bag. Not everything is black and white.
Your list of points about them is garbage anti-RT propaganda or meaningless statements, I could refute them in half a minute, and I may do that later, but not right now. Because I'm not going to let you entertain this straw-man any longer - this is not the first time you try to derail the conversation.
You are trying to change the subject to discussing RT, and making it look like I've cited RT in relation to the Russia hacks, which I never did. I will not allow you that. It's sickening to the core just how manipulative and dishonest you are.

PS: also since you nicely ignored the Russia Clinton Uranium One deal I've mentioned above... this just in for the lolz :)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-08/fbi...an-uranium

Im also ignoring spaceX news here. You know why? They dont fucking matter in this threat. I see you love to talk about big bad hillary. But she is offtopic. She is not the president ignoring laws amd blowing wladimir.

Are you serious right now? YOU have brought it up in the first place, by talking about Putin's preference, not me - and I was simply addressing that.
But of course, now that we have detailed evidence on the Uranium One deal, she's suddenly off-topic. :) Amazing.

I did bring up some Uranium deal? Where?

No, you've brought up Hillary, by talking about Putin's preference. I addressed that, and then you comment that I 'love to talk about Hillary'. What?

You can't even follow the conversation. Laughable...

And Uranium One = Clinton.

"these sources"? You mean twitter and youtube? I certainly agree that these are not to be trusted as sources. Thats why I dont cite them.

Speaking of sources, whats keeping assange from telling the world who gave the material to him? He will never enter US soil again and this DNC guy got shot. If he was the source, why not say so?

Wow, you're really something else dude, twisting everything, being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, but you're not going to weasel your way out of this.
Twitter and Youtube aren't 'sources', they are open platforms, you imbecile.
I was obviously saying that Wikipedia has editors with political biases, so these sources(wiki, and mainstream news that youtube/twitter leadership tries to push while trying to bury, de-rank, and censor alternative viewpoints) are not 100% reliable. Essentially you linking a wiki page alone about Russian interference is meaningless.
You know very well what I was saying, but since there's not much else you can say, you just run around in circles about irrelevant shit and waste other ppl's time.

You called them sources. What are you so angry about?

The "twitter leadership" tries to push biases? OK, keep watching RT for your world news, when your beloved twitter bots are banned...

They would never reveal sources and never will, it's a matter of principle. Why are you so slow in the head? How do you not understand the consequences?

Hm, so what is it now: "They never reveal sources" or "DNC insider leaked me the Emails". This seems contradictory, no?

Also, why does every post of yours contain an ad hominem? You can't discuss like an adult?

Stop crying and focus on the substance, idiot.

No, no it does not seem contradictory. Confirming that the e-mails were not hacked by Russians but leaked from the inside does NOT equal revealing an identity. God damn, have to spell out everything for you 3 times before you get it thru your thick skull.

Where is the source, for "leaked from the inside" ??? I asked you 3 times now.

This is your central point. Don't you have a source? I'm pretty focused, you know.

If you don't provide a source for this point I will consider this argument over.

BTW: I image you screaming your replies at the top of your lungs now, every sentence ending with "IDIIIIOOOOT" :-D

Frankly I could not care less what you think or what you consider. In fact, I'd probably prefer if you stopped harassing me(didn't you already say 'Bye' twice while failing at the migrant discussion?).
I just told you above, search for yourself, I'm not here to dance to your tune, you don't get to make demands of me or my free time.

I'd say it's pretty obvious how you try to twist everything, try to create confusion, reply selectively, and can barely keep up with the flow of exchange, so I have to keep explaining basic shit. Like you can't even understand the difference between revealing an identity, and stating the e-mails weren't hacked from the outside by Russians but rather leaked from the inside.
And most importantly you cannot provide hard evidence for Russian interference in the 2016 US Presidential Election, nobody can, because there is none, never was, never will be. As always, it's a distraction, and classic psychological projection
So the entire thing was dead from the beginning as you started pushing the unproven anti-Russia fairy-tale narrative. It's run its course.

OK, you don't care. You're swearing a lot, for someone who doesn't care.

No one is harassing you. I asked for a source. You didnt give one. That's OK. Just makes you look foolish, since you demand more and more after I gave you some.

That you bring up an article on how US intervenes in other states elections is a classical case of whataboutism.

Have a nice day.

My style of delivery is not relevant here.

I'm not going to dig up something from 2016 just for you, especially seeing your state of denial so far, I can spend my time better for sure. That does not mean it isn't out there or I'm making it up.

I do not care how you think it makes me look like, I only care about truth.

No I'm not demanding 'more', another distortion from you. The only thing you gave was a published assessment from US intel agencies, which claimed Russian hacking without hard evidence, and criticized RT. That basically equals 'because we say so'. Not nearly good enough. I'm not demanding 'more', I've asked you repeatedly to provide hard evidence for the Russia hack claim, which you cannot do.

That's not whataboutism, you fail basic logic once again.
I was making the point that accusing Russia of meddling is psychological projection, and factually, it is. Look it up, how many times the US intervened in other countries' elections since the 1950's. Former CIA chief has just admitted exactly that in an interview (it's at the end).

And lastly: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-18/kim...-even-hack

Read that article. A few dozen times. Until it sinks in.

PS: That's cute. You can keep your overactive imagination to yourself.

Just so everyone knows this guy claims to go to migrants camps in his country to help these people, so yeah, basically a full on libtard whose subscribed his fellow citizens to rape and terror for years to come.

So of course, he hates trump.

Anyone who doesn't think there is an agenda against trump to oust and overthrow is frankly part of the problem.

Even in my hometown in the UK, they would not put the volume up on the big screen outside for trumps inauguration (run by a LABOUR council and the BBC) and there were constant "video problems" because they did not want anyone to see or hear it.

They are also trying to do the same thing with Brexit, you people just can't stand losing anything and always have to try and scupper and attempt to muddy the water.

Trump for 2020.

Awesome argumentation as usual.

also whose

Don't get ahead of yourself: Let's wait for the midterm elections later this year. I don't know what would be the better show:

Rep's losing their 1-seat majority and Trump flapping his arms for the next 2 years until it's finally over.

Or Rep's winning and finally no more excuses, why this government does not get shit done (besides piling debt over debt in times of economic overachieving).

Oh, but what is this, it's the PRESIDENT himself acting all presidential and offering his thoughts on the Iranian Nuclear deal. Let's hear what our benevolent Trumpinator 2020 has to say:

"You look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us." [0]

Standing ovations roaring like thunder ensue.

[0] https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-...e-and-fury

Nice copy pasta.
You'll get mad props on leddit.

Oh, this is no copy-paste.

You know, In contrast to a certain other poster on this site, I don't paste shit and then claim some other guy on the internet "co-incidentally" wrote the same stuff :-DD

In a world with over 7 billion people in, its not unthinkable that some people will have similar or identical analogies or conclusions.

At least I'm not the guy that's so desperate to win a point he'll overlook such an obvious and genuine truth and instead promote lies, doubt, suspicion. Secondly, my ACTUAL response to when you accused me was...

"1) I did write it. Whether someone else wrote it is purely co-incidental."

You'll find the skittles analogy is well used (now that I have googled it) but I don't google passages of thoughts to see if someone has written them and I dare say every person on the planet has reached a conclusion of their own merit, regardless of it being reached by other people too. Does not make them rip off merchants.

about as unthinkable as your keyboard falling behind your desk and reloading the same forum post a thousand times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3upS3idcSpE&t=66m0s

every few months i come back to check out how far down the drain this forum has gone and it's always surprising that you are still here, even after all that embarrassing shit

The source of all my powers...

They're not really looking into "Russia" anymore. It's now obstruction of justice.
Since they couldn't find anything they had change things up.

Couldn't label him a:
Nazi
Racist
Sexist
Homophobic
Anti-semetic


Schiff was pranked by Russian radio host who said they had naked pics of trump.
He fell for it. They recorded it.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/russian-radio-h...mp-photos/

You're right, I think:

Fact is: Russia helped Trump win.

Question 1 is: Did he help them help him?

Question 2 is: Why did he fire everyone that tried to answer question 1?

I don't think the FBI is in the labeling business. But let's see what happens.

Oh, and a radio prank. Hilarious, dude! Keep 'em coming, while they subpoena his tax returns.

Answer with actual evidence:

1)How did Russia help Trump?

(Can't say Russian bots. Twitter,Facebook, etc testified already that whatever russian presence on their platforms had virtually no impact on the election)

(can't say hacked the election. The only proven hack on the US election was perpetrated by DHS )

( can't say online influences when the majority of americans get their info from local news stations. Cable news actually has the lowest ratings ;) )


Why has there been no evidence of "russia" in a year of investigation?
Why is there shit tons of evidence of "russia" (uranium one )but it all revolves around the dem party.

All that investigating. No money trail, no nothin.
Yet the investigation against trump does keep opening evidence, It just happens the evidence keeps pointing to the wrong doings of the dems
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/37...testimony.

Strzok emails.

holy shit, this is like a calvalcade of debunked rightwing talking points, do you get your news only from breitbart and infowars?

and mentioning uranium one too?

haha, this will surely cost hillary the presidency!

it's hilarious how easily you fools get duped by transparent deflections, but hey keep believing. it's not like manafort is going on trial soon, oh wait he is. well, at least papadopoulos keeps quiet. oh wait he's singing like a bird, but at least flynn is safe... oh... he's in shit too

you retards are as radicalized by bullshit as the muslim idiots you like to hate so much, it's ironic

You must have some special talent for typing a lot and saying nothing.

"Timezone: Europe/Berlin
Country: Afghanistan"

Oh, well... that certainly puts things into perspective.

let me guess, you think orban is a-ok and soros is some form of devil

Wrong. If you feel that it somehow concerns you, you could have asked, instead of having random assumptions.

Let me guess you think Trump is some form of devil.
Genius huh.

na, trump is a clueless sheep who is easily manipulated

he doesn't have the mental ability to be a "russian agent" and putin would be retarded to actually involve that guy in anything cloak and dagger

Can't we just rename esr to pkr already, where politics meets reality?

Blame Syncerror. If his game was good we'd have something to talk about.

How about I blame the community instead? Coulda easily just went back to better games but nooooo we just keep asking god in heaven to brings us a proper “new” quake. Ffs.

we'd be talking about things that work.

There are two seperate issues here:

Q-1: Did Trump break the law (collusion e.g. obstruction of justice)?
Q-2: Did the DoJ and the FBI work correctly on their investigations?

Having said that, the Nunes memo deals mainly with Q-2. So for the people claiming that the memo is a "Trump smoke bomb" (e.g. mono_): no, it's not a smoke bomb, you morons; it's Congress providing oversight, like they are supposed to do. Law enforcment and Justice have to remain fair and impartial and there is definitive evidence, that this has not been case. That's what the Nunes memo is about and that should be highly concerning to everyone, regardless of political affiliation.

Now for the other side claiming that the Nunes memo exonaterates Trump and that the Russia investigation should be stopped because of memo: no, you morons; even without the dubiously obtained FISA warrant there's enough material to warrant an investigation into Trumps dealings with Russia and the FBI. This is essentially Q-1, which has to remain unanswered until the investigation is completed.

Now you should stop ramming the dick or strap on of your favorite politian up your ass and start regaining a minimal amount of levelheadedness.


Trey Gowdy (R-SC) has some accurate insights on the issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ylNzY7Ixc

dude, the memo is a dud. nunes, in his own stupidity put the focus on carter page who is probably the dumbest motherfucker to put in the spotlight, having already admitted that he consulted for the kremlin years before the trump campaign, which is why he was under a federal microscope since at least 2014, years before the pee tape dossier even existed

that's exactly why fox news is already backtracking and going back to uranium one

pretty sad to see that an esports site is being used as a recruiting ground. but not surprising, considering the amount of russians here and the fact that the only job you can get over there is oilpumper, camgirl or social media influencer in the troll factory

do me a favor. For a moment forget about Trump, forget about Clinton, forget the names, forget about dems and reps, just consider this fact pattern:

A political actor pays for opposition research and gives the results to a law enforcement agency. They take it to a judge, concealing the political nature of the source and thus obtain a surveillance warrant. The same acting persons within that law enforcement agency text each other how they need to support one candidate, how they need to stop the other.

Are you suggesting that there is nothing troubling about this?
Did you even read my previous post?
Do you understand that not everything has to be about party politics? That such a fact pattern should raise extremely severe concerns regardless of your political views?

Seriously, how ideologically fixated to you have to be, that you can't even admit that major law enforcment officials work for party-politics is a bad thing?

Don't bother, he's a left winger who think soros is a good guy. virtually all of his posts here are left leaning and entirely political, his only job is to try and thwart logical and truthful debate to political views which are opposing to his own, he could be anyone.

Mother nature teaches us to be weary of people who hide in the shadows for a good reason.

Ask him to define himself in real life, a simple and basic form of human interaction.

See what he comes back with.

Usually these people have religious or ethic advantages to being in the countries they talk about and anything which they regard as nationalist, to them is perceived as bad and counter productive, while forgetting, they came to your country to begin with.

i just like to laugh at you dipshits you gobble up rightwing propaganda

i just like to laugh at you dipshits you gobble up left propaganda.
Amazing arguments.

dude, the dossier was first financed by the washington free beacon which is a rightwing publication

it was a mere footnote in the fisa warrant because the fbi already had its own dossier corroborating the same things

your attempt to play some sort of highroad here as an enlightened centrist is fucking laughable

I never claimed that I'm centrist. I just claim that some things (abusing executive branch powers for political goals) are always bad, even if you agree with the political goals which were pursued.
If you can't admit that, then I'm afraid that JamJam might be right when he portraits you as a rabid leftwinger.

I can imagine how outraged you would be if the shoe was on the other foot, i.e. if conservative actors within federal agencies had done the same to Clinton or Obama or whoever your most favorite personal cumdonor might be. You'd call for the crucifaction of everyone involved and you'd have every single grain of sand on the planet stuffed up your vag.

Of course you will never admit that, but for everyone else it's plain to see. Consequently the only thing thats fucking laughable here are you.

there's nothing political about this, carter page has been under a microscope for the last 4 years because of his connections to russia not because of the steele dossier.

the steele dossier is merely a publicized excerpt from the shit that the fbi and cia have been knowing for years

and trying to turn this around is fucking laughable after republicans spent 3 decades investigating the clintons for political reasons, digging up nothing in the process

meanwhile there are already several indictments for trump affiliates

read #192. Just do it. Scroll back up to #192 and read. Do it, feggit.

i did, it's a laughable concern troll attempt considering congressional republicans have made it clear that they will do absolutely nothing to actually investigate trump and are trying their hardest to shut down mueller, who's a republican, who was installed by rosenstein, who's a republican, who was installed by trump

no, it's not. You just have the Clinton dildo way too far up your ass; so much that it even prevents you from understanding anything that is more complex than "us-vs-them".

If you were not such a fucking retard, you would have seen that I linked the video of someone who openly supports Mueller & Rosenstein.

Summary: you are a complete imbecile or a failed troll. either way you are a pathetic little shit. Good luck with your life.

Your political policies and leanings have made this and much worse a daily reality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53712...ailed.html

"you can’t be a virgin because you’re white"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53741...ak-UK.html

You've stuffed civilized countries with hordes of people like that and people have had enough.

This isn't racist, or fake news, its real and happening every day and it happening because of people like you. Not me.

Read the book Crisis of Character instead of accusing trump first.

I also recommend listening to Ben Shapiro if you like Conservative news

Facts don't care about your feelings.

ben shapiro, hahaha.

Trump Dog "obama had my phones tapped"

The news " hahaha, stop making things up"

Turns out it was true, and the warrant to do so was based on faulty intelligence that originated as fan fiction on 4chan.

So Obama and Clinton found this off of 4chan?

no. some guy wrote fan fiction about trump hiring russian hookers to piss on the bed barack and michelle obama stayed in, and because the 'pee tape' thing became a meme all of 4chan started meming that 4chan wrote the piss dossier.

Someone there passed it to the media, then it went to McCain, then FBI/CIA .
Was sat on since 2015. Buzzfeed took one for the team and published it.
Was part of the "evidence" of trump/russia used to get the FISA warrants.
Part of the Steele dossier.
Was said to be some of if not the compromising info Russia had on Trump which they were using to blackmail for russia collusion. This was the reason trump was helping the russians and the reasoning behind FISA shit.

It's all bs.
The entire russia investigation was based on BS. They haven't found anything.
Now it's obstruction of justice. Even though the same investigation is still going on unhindered, producing zero evidence..... Somehow obstruction.

It's what is called a witch hunt.

He is literally the cleanest "politician" America has seen in over a 100 years.
The guy doesn't even drink.
last 3 guys were drug addicts.
Obama= weed/ cocaine, gay night life, a lawyer/pro liar.
Bush= cocaine/weed, alcohol,skull and bones
Clinton= weed, cocaine,hookers, hillary, former lawyer. lost his license to practice lol/pro liar

trump. family man, business owner, honest to a fault which is why he blurts crazy shit out.
drug and alcohol free. The epitome of the American dream. Even Barack Obama said so.

"In 1991, Obama, a 29-year-old soon-to-be Harvard Law School grad, wrote a paper with a friend, Robert Fisher, called “Race and Rights Rhetoric.” Obama summed up the average American’s mindset with the following sentence: "I may not be Donald Trump now, but just you wait; if I don't make it, my children will."

This thread is fucking hilarious.

Trump is gonna fuckin win a second term, Hillary YOU GOT NO CHANCE

why on earth do you think hillary will run again

maybe the clintons are not done stealing accepting dubious donations to their foundation yet.

Trust me she will

He'S GONNA FUCKIN CRUSH HER