Every patch is a new game...

one of the reasons I stopped playing

also, not just a new game. It could be a new game that shatters, a new game where your ping is total crap, or where you have very low frames and the worst of all, a new game that your pc can't even play. I still remember a patch, the one with the new duel map, where a big number of players (including a friend of mine) couldn't play the game and for a big period (if not forever for some). My friend had eventually managed to play after installing windows 10.

thus, every update is like playing roulette

'tons of Champion & weapon balance changes'

Solo & Team Playlists

shorten queue times in the worst possible way just to make ppl think this game has an actual playerbase, lmao

"Hey! You would think it's a good idea If you like the game" -SyncError

wtf are you saying, shorten queue times is somehow a bad idea?

shorten queue times in the worst possible way

ok I'm still downloading 13 GB so I have no clue what that means :}

Now you know.

Indeed. :C

I like how this patch will make galena even more used. I often get vs teams of 3 visors and 1 galena. As for visor wait and see what it fix.

lol, bots are a thing now?
they are running into enemies and feed frags.
very well done, Syncerror. most people asked for it on custom games (to "practise" offline).
you even had to remove a gamemode because the bots are not fully working. WTF?

basically its the PTS build, are they busy buying donuts or what?
nobody asked for solo/team playlists, except ShitError.

i cant believe bots are a priority and CTF is not.

"i cant believe bots are a priority and CTF is not."

clearly, ANY development studio can't work at two (or even three!) things at once, CLEARLY. it's also completely unspeakable that one of those things might be finished BEFORE the other one. who would even think that?!

playlists are crap tho, I agree to that.

actually they can work on multiple things! If they cant then it means they prioritise bots over CTF which gives a very bad image how things are conducted

whooosh

"According to Zero4, the main focus now is the "new player experience" (so bots, tutorials, making the game more welcoming to new players), then making a solid teamplay mode. And then they'll rework Duel (no exact details but he was hinting towards the removal of rounds for a system more similar to the one in 2v2 with a frag limit) - There are rumors (among the pros) that the game mode for QuakeCon will be CTF and that it will be 5v5, but others told me there's no chance CTF will be ready for QuakeCon and that it wouldn't work with the current map pool so they'd have to have made at least 4 CTF maps for it to be comp ready. So others believe QuakeCon will be 2v2 and Duel, or just 2v2 - Almost every pro prefers 2v2 over duel, I didn't hear anyone complain about it. A lot of them don't want to go back to duel as well, as they feel like the abilities are very "gimmicky" in duels and that the whole champion system works much better in team modes"

https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...ack_tours/

I was using irony there man

a game type should take far less time than shitty gibs and shitty AI
especially when they have 4 other games with ctf.

What do you think they need to finish BEFORE qc?

Personally, I like playlists in Spotify. It is a great idea.

They're trying to imitate other, more successfull, games.

Lately PUBG mobile is all the rage, and it has bots to make new players feel less shitty about themselves. You see opponents doing random repetitive actions, you shoot them, they don't even shoot you, you feel good. Then you realize it was a bot you just killed.

So bethesda had to implement them in quake, too.

They'd be fine in offline matches, but that's not how the other games do it, so... monkey see, monkey do.

Whatever happened to"friendly guy" makaveli? He went 10k in the hole and quit his job for quake champions because he believed in it. He spent a few weeks shilling for the game and then disappeared.

he went back to work.

Dead game RIP

: D

I dunno.

played for 5 minutes.
still shit.
still broken.


syncerror should be fired

with all these great features you can really tell he's been hard at work on this patch

making the game work should have been done the 1st month of closed beta.
instead they had a $ million dollar tournament with a broken LG

QL updates had 300 comments in the 1st hour.

they great thing about this patch is they have actually decreased performance

brilliant!

qc comments are shifting to reddit me thinks

dunno, dont have a fast connection, have to wait until tomorrow ...
they should have a better client, which only updates what is new and is not redownloading the whole game ...

but yeah, hope I just can just play tdm and ffa, just as before, but will see what it plays like ...as already said, this seems to be again a new game ... :-)

Duel on tempest is ridiculous.

https://streamable.com/dv67y

https://streamable.com/mfh8g

working as intended

skillz dog

Nothing wrong with the map. You just had bad respawns. This is Quake, deal with it.

So the scoreboard has been consciously removed from FFA and INSTAGIB.

And now playing FFA is a democratic choice where if the other players want to play instagib, you have to play the mode they decide.

And there's no point in playing either cos there's no scoreboard so the result does not matter.

So they ruined duel for me.
Then I moved onto FFA to maintain playing.
Then they removed the Scoreboard from FFA which reduced my motivation to play.
Then they removed the actual ability to guarantee a game of FFA in exchange for a game mode where wall hacks and 1 shot kills are the key to success.

This is retarded, its like walking into a mcdonalds, ordering a big mac, and then, being brought a fillet o fish cos that's what the other people in the queue decided would be better for me to have.

Yeah, I think I'm done....

this is an immense loss for the community.

._o indeed

No scoreboard in FFA? It's random if you'll play FFA or instagib?

Wat? : D

They moved on from donuts to superglue? But excellent job at dumbing down a super primitive console lobby even more, rofl.

This is bad.

They did those things to FFA, the main chill mode...this is rape. RAAAAAAAPPPEEEEE !!!!

BEST PATCH EVER

1 year of my waiting and here is it!

Armor returned.
Feels good in every gamemode!. Now game becomes less random! We can watch tournaments now with more interest.

You can buy champions for 250 000 favor
10 days of playing = 1 champion. 3 Champions per month!!!!

Stats
https://stats.quake.com
Usefull stats,but bad search.



Playlists good. Bots in freeslots good. HRFR good.


And i like this everyday reward, like Shooter RPG =) And online becomes 1500 in peak.


So, if you want serious games, you need to play ranked modes. With your friends.

my grandma made that meme

matchmaking is better than ever



75:1 tdm match...

those streamers who can't play tdm without 3 of their friends are probably pissing themselves with excitement at the prospect of such a ridiculous blowout

75-0 and you all would have gotten medals xD

Those two level 1 players are server run bots.

and that one kill was by a bot

-hrtf feels bugged

-tri-bolt is too op IMO (not the dmg, but its spam, in ql u can dodge these nades, in qc if u spam a point with tri-bolt, u ded mate)

-champ rotation is cool, and that u can buy them for favor

-matchmaking sucks. u wanna play some ffa so u get into solo mode and ppl vote for instagib. so u are pushed to play something u didnt want... and u know, its cool, u can always leave, start matchmaking again and hope that this time ppl will vote for what u want... its not like you waste even more time.

"This change was made to further reduce matchmaking times and to improve skill matching conditions" mhm

i wonder how it will work in team modes. u wanna play some tdm? well pray for it then, if ppl will vote for sacrifice then if u leave, you make teams uneven and that a problem, since they will have to play with a bot.

old matchmaking was fine.


-maps. why the fuck there's corrupted keep and ztn in 4v4 tdm. these maps ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT MODE.

i played 4v4 ztn

disgusting.

i don't get why for every step forward they seem to make two steps back.

champion balance seems "decent" now, but they fuck up the game with playlists and shitty duel maps etc. why make changes that nobody asked for.

thats the SyncError effect.
he also came up with loadouts in ql.

playlists are even worse. lol.

everytime instagib comes up, i just leave. gj bethesda.

2 steps forward 1 back is literally a synchronization error.

Because the devs have no clues on what direction to take and what the ultimately want their game to be.

They're throwing shit at the wall and watching what sticks

Only the shit is diarrhea and nothing really sticks.

Cmon, they know that a red armor and tl 10 is the goal. They are not stupid.

i want to play ffa, not instagib. never instagib. in fact, fuck instagib

just keep disconnecting at instajib, id will get it eventually that it was not the greatest idea

But the question is: how UTTERLY retarded you have to be to implement a thing like this?

SyncError mentioned several times on twitch chat, how amazing those playlists are.

that shows how incompetent that guy is.

Rather just a corporate bowing-kneeling machine, like everybody else at id.

June 2017 :

"Champions Balance:

Slash's Max AP has been buffed + 25 AP
Slash's trail lifetime has been decreased to 3 seconds
Slash's active ability duration has been decreased to 2 seconds
Galena's Unholy Totem's health has been buffed to 50 HP
Clutch's acceleration steps have been reworked to allow him to accelerate faster
Visor’s air acceleration has increased (+10%), so he gains speed faster using strafe jumps.
Galena's basic speed has been increased up to 300
Scalebearer’s passive ability tweaked acceleration steps
"

June 2018 :
Totems Heal Overmax
Galena Air Acceleration 0.8790843 to 0.9057232
Clutch Air Acceleration 0.8533334 to 0.9671111
Slash Starting Armor 25 to 0 AP
...

After a year we're still balancing champions, even worse, now they started using increments of 0.0266389. This is the same mentality as people trying to find the perfect sensitivity. Instead of setting it and let it play out it's course they keep tweaking with pointless 0.0356 values every single day. Predicted this from the start that the champions will never ever find the right sweet spot in a fast paced game like quake.

they are using a random number generator for air accelation, damage output and so on
every month you may get lucky to have proper values but next month they are disposed anyway

if you aint adjusting your your sensitivity to the ten-millionth decimal place you a scrub

So far I like

-game feels more solid
-new tribolt is killer
-GIBS

I dislike

- mashup of FFA with instajib
-the third person death animation and camera (it's just shit)

why isn't it approved?

you need to subscribe to esreality premium

I'm cheap like your internet.

you just wasted great opportunity to say "I'm poor like you polacks". am dissapointed

how's your ban on #tdmpickup btw?

It's no longer there, unlike your warp most likely.

edit: somehow it's there again, just like.....

cry me a river

Enjoy one of my binds;

bind KP_DEL "say https://youtu.be/DksSPZTZES0?t=89 "

lol thats a nice one.

you should know tho lags affect me aswell, in that situation if i wouldn't warp i would kill u both much quicker (since because of lags i missed that guy on quad like 3 times with shotgun and you with rail) and you would do less dmg to me too. To summarize, me warping in that case gave you advantage to deal more dmg to me since you both only had mg so its not like you could kill me... shame i dont have that demo anymore, would be more fun to watch from my perspective ;)

Rail is not fucking hiting if you don t actively hit the middle of the hitbox...@t.*?!:

i think it should be the other way around tbh, all the other quotes and the esr logo wondering why sync is looking at the quake champions logo

the point is that it is about time hes fed up with QC and to look elsewhere

tribolt was better before.
required some skill.
it was like a wonky RL with a hint of SG.

now it's like..... shit.
it's to easy to use now.

*to easy too use

the game is shittier than my spelling.

why not just have one weapon, an atom bomb?

OMG, dont give them ideas...look how they conduct their business, they are that crazy and amateurs that they indeed would add an atom bomb in the game...

space chamber

Success recipe by id aka sabe interactive aka bethesda aka zenimax:

1.Create new game with "quake" in title and promise fast and skilled game to bring quake veterans and have base for future that fill servers.Game has shitty netcode and runs like shit ? no problem we have eoungh meat to atleast fill server enough to find any game and that meat wont leave quickly becouse it hopes for new good quake.


2.put shitty microtransaction into the game and focus on updating it becouse, everyone knows skins are the most important thing in every game.


3.meat aka human thrash starts to complaining about game performance,netcode etc ? no problem they will stay and averageretardedjoe eye doesnt see more than 60 fps anyway

4.dumb down game slowly and step by step with each patch becouse this way, plebs wont notice and stay

5.game dumbed down enough ? nope, we need more plebs to buy our skins so further dumbing down is always welcomed, otherwise averageretardedjoe or other omgidied20times wont stay and skinz wont sell.

6.plebs noticed and starts to leave slowly ? whats the problem give them some small shit they wanted since beta-plebs happy and game still dumbed down

7.repeat step 5 and 6 as many time as possible


PROFIT!


PS (ID should hire me as community manager aka the guy who keep plebs calm)

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that last picture is wrong.

that playlist shit was SyncErrors bright idea (that guy, who is currently ruining QC).
he mentioned several times on twitch chat, how great that new system is.

tim willits is busy with rage2 now, that lucky guy.

It's just an excuse to avoid the continuous flow of the thousands of fan letters with anthrax imo.

Rationale behind the new stack balance:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289104...nknown.png

I've seen 10 seconds the stream of the qol na final yesterday, I saw clutch, i closed.

really, he is back on meta? :\

well, at last the eu not using him (clutch)...good

Watched Xron vs K1llsen last night. Xron one-shotting k1llsen with that fast-reloading tribolt. Looked like a random and overpowered element to the game which is, in my book, the opposite of what quake is all about.

If they're going down this route they might aswell add random recoil on weapons along with headshots. Throw a dice. It's fun.

random and overpowered element to the game which is, in my book, the opposite of what quake is all about

random, no

but overpowered is as much part of quake as anything - lg, rl, rg, pg, bfg, ... MG

It's not random. I know that. It has a set fire rate and a sloping ballstic curve but it has that feeling of a random element used in other FPS games where you end up throwing a dice more or less. Spray and pray?

From what I saw it's quite overpowered and it has a big impact on some maps depending on the geometry and item placing. People have barely started to exploit it. Worse than xerp or 7dmg lg pre hitbox nerf in QL. Ok, maybe not but not far off =)

No, I'm not talking about the balance of that weapon. I'm talking about your book on "what quake is" is wrong. OP weapons are one of, if not the most, consistent traits throughout the quake series.

Not shitty overpowered weapons made op by some mentally ill sugar addicted feget with no idea about how to make a good game.

Only QW has OP weapons. Rest is more or less balanced.

BFG.
Q3 MG.

BFG.

lol

Q3 MG.

Tru

No offence but I think you're wrong on many levels. Quake has never been about +back and waiting for a lucky recoil to hit a headshot. You'd play CS for that. Afaik they've abandoned cylindrical hitboxes with QC so in theory it could be done but they've luckily decided to make each separate hitbox take the same amount of damage.

There's been better and worse weapons throughout but nothing exceptional. Xerp made it's thing and 7dmg LG before the hitboxes were nerfed were outliers. The game mechanics and map geometry of current map pools have favored certain weapons like rockets, rail or shaft but other than that it hasn't been a one weapon game to any extent.

Quake has never been about +back and waiting for a lucky recoil to hit a headshot.

If you're talking about qw, sure. If not that's laughable.

The way you talk about xerp shows me you have not seen q3 lan demos where it is just as rg/lg heavy as in CPMA VQ3. Xerp only made the netcode better, that balance was always there, it was just masked by bad netcode and shitty connections at the time. The mere fact that you don't see the reduction in damage of MG/RG/LG from q3 to ql as those weapons being overpowered makes me wonder if there's a point continuing this convo.

Maybe overpowered isn't quite as fitting as it would be for QW's lg, but the way you describe it neither is the tribolt. Fact is q3 has been dominated by lg/rg through all game modes. Even the RL is a tier 1.5 weapon next to those two. Then what happens in QL? They make the hitboxes smaller, they nerf the damage values and those weapons STILL dominate. And they dominate all modes, again. Maybe you're thinking of them as the "main" weapons instead of the overpowered ones, but not seeing anything "exceptional" in the two weapons that dominate two iterations of a game throughout 15 years is very shortsighted.

Oh and uhmmm, have you heard of the BFG? :)

You seem to think that your opinions are facts and you obviously like to discuss. Don't bother ranting to me.

I seriously have no idea where you were going with that reply.

Xerp only made the netcode better, that balance was always there, it was just masked by bad netcode and shitty connections at the time

Not true. CPMA broke the existing balance by removing the baked-in 50ms delay on weapons that was part of the original Q3 weapon balance and by nerfing the movement.

OSP had succesful lan players who did not rely on shaft but were mostly rocket heavy, like z4 and cooller.
CPMA was especially horrible on lan, because of the removed delay from weapons and nerfed movement. Those two changes combined destroyed the real Q3 balance.

That's not balance, it's the shitty netcode that got fixed.

All pros still heavily used lg and I don't remember zero4 ever being anything but rail heavy.

CPMA/QL netcodes heavily favours hitscan weapons over projectile weapons. That's why in both of them the RL and the PG are theoretically better (faster) than what they are in Q3. But not because they were weak to begin with and badly needed a buff, just in order to try to make them less shitty in an unlagged environment. Which is not achievable by simply tweaking some ups values, anyway.

That's why a 45 ping plasma is already worse in CPMA/QL than it is in OSP, or why a 100 ping CPMA/QL LG is still devastating, or why a few QL pros complained that the RL is overpowered on lan, etc.

CPMA/QL indeed broke the existing weapon balance. I'd say that it fucked it up completely. Now there is a 'lan weapon balance', a 'low ping weapon balance', a 'medium ping weapon balance' and an 'high ping weapon balance', which are all different from each other. It's as inconsistent as it gets, unlike Q3.

What do you mean by CPMA, cpma vq3 or [cpma] cpm? And what do you mean by

That's why in both of them the RL and the PG are theoretically better (faster) than what they are in Q3.

?
The game favors the hitscans so the projectiles are faster?!?

You also just threw QL into it when QL has had actual balance tweaks, i.e. weapon values. It's got me confused, can you rephrase that whole post?

VQ3 or CPM, it doesn't matter, the netcode and the dps/ups values are the same, right?

CPMA and QL are quite similar, they share the same netcode, made by the same person. CPMA is a bit more solid because the game is better overall (less bugged), but it has the same flaws.

The purpose of QL's so-called nerfs (hitscan) and so-called buffs (projectile) is to emulate Q3's weapon balance in an unlagged environment, but you just can't do that by tweaking some numbers here and there, that's impossible. You end up with weapons that are borderline useless at 60 ping but incredibly strong on lan (like the plasma), and weapons that are borderline too weak on lan but somehow extremely dominant at 90 ping (like the LG).

By the way, despite the first LG 'nerf', that weapon was still much, much better than the allegedly superior Q3's LG, so a lot of people complained and they nerfed it a second time.

Personally, I've hit more than 80% RG with more than 80 ping a lot of times in QL, and that's not because I have suddenly an exceptionnal aim when I'm playing on polish servers but because CPMA/QL's netcode is very 'generous' with the high ping + hitscan weapon combo.

The purpose of QL's so-called nerfs (hitscan) and so-called buffs (projectile) is to emulate Q3's weapon balance in an unlagged environment, but you just can't do that by tweaking some numbers here and there, that's impossible.

You say it's there to emulate it, I say it is to alter it. It's down to perspective I think. I have this notion that balance and netcode are separate, which doesn't sound that right now that I think about it.

I still don't find it easier to agree that the changes QL had are to emulate q3 when it had lots of other changes which emulate lots of games, but not q3.

Btw, what are the buffs to projectiles in QL you're referring to? I fail to find a comprehensive enough source I can trust, but whatever I did find was that projectiles are the same or nerfed as well.

Q3/OSP: RL 900 ups, PG 1800 ups
CPMA/QL: RL 1000 ups, PG 2000 ups

You can check with /devmap and g_velocity_rl, for exemple.

Seriously, stop this CPMA/QL - it's meaningless. There's a difference between OSP VQ3 and CPMA VQ3, then there's a much bigger difference between CPMA VQ3 and QL (VQ3) and then the difference between CPM and VQ3 is the grand canyon.

https://www.q3df.org/wiki?p=190

All in all only the RL was buffed. But then it had its splash damage reduced from 100 to 84. But I don't even know how to continue this convo if you insist on just mixing two games so you can compare damage values between them.

Nzr0 1 - 0 me (french dude)

This is beyond strange that I was wrong regarding plasma's ups, I would have sworn that I had verified these numbers years ago.

I'll repeat myself here, but I associate CPMA with QL because they share the same netcode. An extremely hitscan-friendly netcode.

If it makes you feel better my link is not all that right. It says LG is 5 dmg which isn't true even for QL. However the plasma has always been 2000 ups in Q3, can't say about QL. It could have been nerfed in QL the way it was in CPM(no A) via plasma cell shrinkage, though I don't recall anything like that.

It's better netcode. And it's completely natural that it benefits the hitscans more as they are inherently easier to master weapons.

You don't seem to understand.

In quake3 there is a built-in delay in weapons. To understand, think the railgun in Q2 (if you ever played it), just less severe. It has nothing to do with the netcode, you have that same delay while playing against bots in the single player mode.

That delay was there to balance hitscan weapons against guns with projectiles, obviously in favor of projectiles. So it's part of the weapon and game balance.

This delay was removed from CPMA because CPM had it's own balance, so it was not needed and removing the built-in delay made the game more responsive.

They also made changes to movement, that affected especially the acceleration speed (and thus also dodging when fighting like you would in normal Quake3) .

CPMA broke the game balance, and it had nothing to do with netcode. Netcode is/was different issue.

I know about cg_laghax -1. And I don't remember much to corroborate the original 50 ms being there as a balance implementation. But I don't have an exceptional memory, I could be wrong. There was a thread here with a very good explanation on the laghax issue, but I'm having trouble finding it.

instagibbed by keel nades, instagibbed by tribolt, instagibbed by dire orb instagibbed by 140dmg sg instagibbed by bull rush, instagibbed by undodgable close-ranged rockets, by nailgun hug etc.


You either pop or get popped like a balloon in this game. Lot's of frustration with the press x to kill elements. But I guess it pleases the noobs as they get a chance to get frags this way. For sure spectator friendly.

maybe you are 2noob for dodging that shit?!

;=====c

You have to SEE IT COMING first.

And with this game..

Can't see more than half the stuff that's coming at you. Not only because of speed but also due to netcode. In QL you could dodge rockets from close to midrange if you tried. In QC you can only hope your opponent will miss or your predicted dodge was lotto'd correctly.

Breaks my heart because I'm a dodge and movement heavy player. I love to use angles and positioning to outplay in fights. I feel I don't really have an edge over people anymore in this game which for me sounds like the combat is lower skill than in previous quakes. It's all a right hand game now.

I dont understand something alb. You seem to have a dislike toward this game (which I agree with) and sometimes you support it when we chat. Whats up?

Same reason people go to their 9-5 every day

I have a feeling you dont mean fame

The same reason people go to their 9-5's is because they like comfort.

They like stability, they fear change, change is good.

Hence why people limit themselves. They don't want to expand themselves. Start a business, quit the job they hate and apply or work towards the ones that love.

Human nature is fickle because we live in a society where we get judged on everything we do.

If only a lot more people would stop getting stuck in all this social bullshit and pursue something that makes them happy, then the world will eventually change for them.

At the end of the day though, the ball is generally always in your court and you have the choice to do w/e you want with it.

" For sure spectator friendly."

This quake has far worse visibility than the ability & ultimate spamfest overwatch that always has 12 people on the map.

Sarcasm/10

I know, just added my cents about how disappointed I was to see a new quake having more visual spam than a blizz cartoon game. Kinda expected the opposite? :D

No possibility to rent/test a champ any longer, what a great Idea...

why rent when u can buy it for igc. And there's free rotation of champs. its better that way imo

after some playing I gotta say I am waiting longer now for matches and match making is worse, and the bots are not really good enough ... worse than before, although Tribolt is a nice improvement and it seems more champions are viable now, but I am still sticking to doom/visor combo, with a little bj, but I wanna try out anarki or slash again, maybe also galena ... but yeah waiting longer for worse matchmaking is not good, before it was better, hope this is only temporary

Bots are not really good enough?

You are SO careful with the words. They are 102 % completely fucking useless. The only purpose they have is to ruin the already ruined game even more.

Hahaha xD i always have one potat bot in my games and he literraly get stuck and dont move AT FUCKING ALL.

XD

bots are not really good, but now I rarely get to play them in matches anymore, also matches start faster now than before, so the waiting time for TDM is even better than before :-). Maybe they reset the internal hidden rating system, that might have been why it took longer in the beginnign ... but I still have to check out FFA, hope it wins against instagib most of the times :-)

i said before that i think tri-bolt is too op after this patch, but now i think its worse than before. Its useless on longer ranges.

tri-bolt before was more like nades in q3/ql, you spam it to cover some entrance or deny it, or u spam it to get information where enemy is, it didnt have infinite range but before it would blow up you would be far away, thats why it was a useful weapon to get info, secure your back when u were running away or when u wanted to deny entrance from enemy and before the last nade blew up you already had another weapon ready for action

tri-bolt before was something like that

now, tri-bolt is a weapon like other was, it has limited range so u cant use it on spam in every ocassion, and it blows up much quicker which means when u stop spam, the enemy can attack you right away, not enough time to get the weapon in your hands

its useless also as a weapon to cover your tracks when u +back or to get info

now, tribolt is just a spam-weapon that is too shit to use for fights because hard aim and too shit to be a nade worthy replacement.

its like a handicapped rocket launcher that blows up before hitting the target

that short range in qc is annoying, especially shaft

You must be playing the wrong game brah. Tribolt is super effective at close to medium range, especially for backing away now. And you still have RL and nailgun (with high fire rate and infiite ammo) to spam corridors and entrances with on long ranges.

If you got decent RL aim you can pretty much destroy everyone with tribolt. Heck I'd say it's way more effective than RL in a abundance of situations due to high dmg and reload speed.

I'd even go as far to say that lightning gun is one of the weaker weapons now due to the lacking damage and range compared to most of the instagibby weapons and 1-shot abilities i.e. keel nades, dire orb, acid spit (which fucks up your vision too).

Let's also not forget that stacked dooms, keels scalebearers and stroggo take a retarded amount of time to gun down with an LG, they can just keep +fwd'ing in you in a straight line, pin you down in a corner and blow you up easily.

Yesterday me and a mate faced a team in 2v2 that were basically exploiting the OP elements in the game to win and it was such a pain in the ass to beat them, eventhough they basically didn't use any railgun or LG. They were spamming NG/tribolt, SG'ing up close and abusing double jump and keel nades in every situation. Just shows how much of a factor the abilities and gimmicks are in this game. In lot's of situations it requires way less combat skill and raw aim to win anymore because certain facets of the game are heavily simplified for noobs/pub play.


Imo they should drop the abilities in ranked play and keep the passive ones like doublejump/walljump/skates/cpma movement. Tried a handful of games without the press key to win abilities and it felt like a way better game. Big relief not to get punched out, spit on, blown up randomly by a 'skillbased' element.

"You must be playing the wrong game brah. Tribolt is super effective at close to medium range"

all i said its not effective on long ranges like it was before this patch, it is tho like u say good for close to medium range which IMO is useless because u can just go with rockets instead (and they are more effective than tribolt because its easier to aim). Like i said, tribolt was somewhat good weapon to use to get info, cover entrance etc (granade launcher replacement) and now is a weapon to use in fights, and its not a good weapon to use in fights.


"In lot's of situations it requires way less combat skill and raw aim to win anymore because certain facets of the game are heavily simplified for noobs/pub play. "

true

"Imo they should drop the abilities in ranked play and keep the passive ones like doublejump/walljump/skates/cpma movement. Tried a handful of games without the press key to win abilities and it felt like a way better game. Big relief not to get punched out, spit on, blown up randomly by a 'skillbased' element."


i agree. ppl were saying that since the beginning so its not something new, and i think we wont get that even. devs aim for noobifying the game, and your idea would make the game more enjoyable for sure, but also more harder, which is not that devs are interested in...

Everyone says the sound is supposed to be superior in this game.

Well, I got run at with LG and the opponent could pretty much tickle my asshole before being able to hear it.

Not a fan at all.

tbh, i never had problems with the sound on qc.
maybe get decent audio hardware, decent headphones and learn how to setup your sound settings.

problem solved.

Maybe remove all that reverb from the game?

Wow, sorry my background in audio design makes me not have a clue how any of this sound malarky works.

Damn you, gotta go spend another 3k on headphones and shit.

ohye.
talking about shit:
http://www.schiit.com/products/yggdrasil

but its less than 3k sorry.
:D

dCS Rossini > all schiit

Nice trolling...

https://clips.twitch.tv/TentativeHedonisticWaspVoteYea

Who said that?

The sound has always been abysmal.

qub1t the audiophile

i really should rename to audioph1le.

not even the ass tickling?

Yeah, the audio in this game is BAD.

Sounds are muffled - almost as if the whole game is under water.

Finally managed to get a game of FFA last night which started from the beginning, there were 5 out of the 8 players were bots.

no scoreboard.
not knowing if you're going to play humans.
not knowing if you're going to play the game mode you want.
not knowing if the game will already be started.

Shocking state of affairs.

they added spyware to the game:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/8pud8...e/e0x6zid/

https://www.reddit.com/r/QuakeChampions/comme...l/e11ly8l/

we won this round
https://bethesda.net/community/topic/216109/a...-red-shell

get wreked fgt's

lolol their excuse.... so ridiculous ^^
I hope someone from the US will bring them to court for this! These illegal actions need to be punished or they will continue.

added to skyrim by accident. apologize and remove.
shows up in qc without DLL's under cover.

https://www.pcgamer.com/red-shell-analytics-s...o-drop-it/

"ZeniMax Online, maker of The Elder Scrolls Online, said in a Reddit post that Red Shell was mistakenly added to a live build while it was still being tested. ZeniMax said it would remove the program, but added: "We are still investigating how to use this technology in the future to grow and sustain ESO more effectively. When/if we do so, we will give everyone a heads up with clear instructions as to what it is doing, how it is doing it, and how to opt-out should you so desire." "


bethesda QC forum response:

"Quakers,

We have been experimenting with ways to help us grow the Quake community, and one way is to learn which of our advertisements and web content effectively bring new Quake players to the game. To be clear: our limited trial use of Red Shell in Quake Champions only gathers anonymous data, such as where new players are coming from or how many matches they played. This helps us work smarter to grow a stronger Quake community, built on players who will continue to play the game. The software does not collect any personal information.

That being said our players are our top priority. In response to your concerns, we’ve stopped collecting this data and will be removing the trial version of Red Shell from the game with a hotfix next week. We are still investigating how to use this technology in the future to help us grow and sustain Quake Champions moving forward. When/if we do add it back to the game, we’ll give everyone a heads up and explain what it is doing and how it is doing it, and any implementation will be compliant with our Privacy Policy and GDPR.


compare:
Elder Scrolls: Red Shell was mistakenly added to a live build

QC: We have been experimenting.
our limited trial use.


fishy

reminds me of this..

At this point I wouldn't doubt QC is the spectre/meltdown install for AMD processors.
It has to be installed direct on the target PC.
Free keys with purchase of Ryzen cpu's.

It's a rumor i'm starting.