iirc the devs abandoned it so there would be no further updates/fixes

plus... q3 aesthetics are simply unbeatable.

There are some lengthy posts on ESR about this, but if I recall correctly these were some of the issues:
1) Item timers were a thing before devs introduced sv_pure. You could create Lua widgets or custom sounds that would alert you to exact moment items came up.
2) Some players said they had some delay on rockets firing (I never noticed this myself, but some people are adamant it was a thing)
3) Sound has some issues (hard to distinguish opponents below vs. above you).
4) It landed in a grey zone of too much like CPM for some (some people who hate CPM hated Reflex), not enough like CPM for others (some people who love CPM hated Reflex for some of the differences).
5) Devs didn't try anything new with the gameplay when they had a chance to

As an eternal evangelist of Reflex, I am also disappointed with how the devs left Reflex. It took me a while to accept that the main dev was not going to work on Reflex anymore. There were some very basic things that they could've wrapped up before shutting down the shop. For instance, the way times are recorded in Race mode is really slapped together. They could've taken an afternoon and made something infinitely better. Also, the last official update introduced custom weapon skins but they never actually implemented it. So the people who made custom skins never got to use them in-game.

Anyhow, some really great work has been done by some people in the Reflex Race community. There's a modded version of Reflex that fixes a bug and adds some minor features that were at the top of the Race community's issue list. Also, custom textures, sounds, and models/meshes have been added to the game. These things extend the life of the game a bit. I think, with the modded Reflex, a lot more is possible and hope the community keeps the game alive.

devs from cpma can't like work on reflex arena because of copyright issues or stuffs like that ?

i mean look at warsow, it was abandonned quite the same way and then another dev team took it and renamed the game to warfork etc

the modded reflex you're talking about sounds good, but why not just making reflex arena like the mod, again there, is it because of like copyright issues ?

They could work on it, but I don't think there is any interest. The game itself cannot be made open-source since there is some middleware.

I would love it if some other programmers took some interest in modded Reflex. I think there's a surprising amount of flexibility with what is possible with the engine and current setup.

@lolograde, where can I find out more about the modded reflex game?
Are there new textured maps/skins as well (for duel?)

Message me on discord. I can send the details to you.

I don't think anyone has created a textured duel map yet, but the process is surprisingly easy.

A slightly worse CPMA. Who will beat John Romero? 2GD? With his Q3 clone? People who like Q3 will hate it for its differences and people who don't like Q3 will hate it because it is too similar. Why does he make a new game if he just wants rail damage to work differently? Do 95% like Q3, fail on 4% in doing so and do 1% differently.

This, those games are in the grey area where the people who like the original that is cloned - dislike the differences, and the people who hate the original - don't like the similarities.

Having different game for a few new maps and slight tweaks is quite absurd. If we keep it serious, even QC experimented more than diabotical that is basically clone of q3/ql/cpma. Reflex is the same, slightly different CPM.

Why not a battle royal with strafe jumps and crazy weapons? Or why not use Ultrono Arena as a starting point? I mean i understand why he did it (2gd that is). But then again, i am pretty sure QC 2 is in the making. How he wants to beat that? Play the original or some indi developer clone? See the best pros competing or some leftovers in dbt? He wanted to beat Quake 3. Which is quite impossible because of really many things this game has going for itself. And he wants to beat a company which has a lot more money than him. Cooller would say, have to choose situation when to be aggressive.

Q1, Q2 and Q3 can't be beaten, all of those carry a legacy and for a reason + all received MODs that already add the quality of life changes needed. No need for another copy-paste with slight tweaks mostly towards the taste of the maker.

It really is a shame the game was left, for me Reflex is the best arenafps there is :(((

I wish there was a way to go open source.

Not like CPM got a lot more players, you know...

Joke aside, CPM is the original and quake. Why the niche players should switch when they got all they love/need already? On top of that they don't want to split the small player base even further going to another similar game.

Most of the players are on QL/QC tho and even there the player base is small and sadly split (with QC having twice the players number over QL). Would be great if we all were on the same game for bigger player base... but yeah, id. :/

If a game's future rests on the very few CPMA players moving over, it obviously has no future.

I don't really see much point releasing any more games like warsow, Reflex or Diabotical. If you want a player base it either has to be a major studio release as this entails a significant marketing effort or a mod in a game with an already large player base. If you take into account that no major studio is going to embrace 'hardcore' gameplay, modding is the only way. Stealing a 5% of the player base of a game with 500k players is more than enough. Saying that, I don't even know if games support modding anymore.

cant wait to see textures in reflex... with some hip player models this game could still be big in afps terms..


how much to sell the rights to the game? any of the devs on this site?

Sad

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArenaFPS/comments/ky...ture_fork/