ESR - Ati & Nvidia Frame Drops in Mplayer *

<< Comment #1 @ 08:49 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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i got exactly the same problem with a similar rig, except that i have a x800pro

see here: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=913227

<< Comment #100 @ 02:02 CDT, 28 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (213.142.27.2) - Reply to #1

Same problems here. I run at high quality though.
AMD 64 4000+, 2 Gig RAM, X800XTPE, 5.10b CAT.
I get really smooth gameplay mostly but in some areas on the maps it gets really choppy. Like someone said before is almost feels as if the whole map(or a large part) is drawn instead of just what is visible.

/Peete, Sweden

<< Comment #2 @ 09:31 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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skint

need a faster cpu

<< Comment #3 @ 10:54 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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MAKO

I think 20ghz cpu should just about do it, maybe...

your 3ghz cpu is so 1980's :)

youll probably get 1fps more for every ghz you buy over 3ghz

you think they have shares in amd and nivdia?

<< Comment #4 @ 11:22 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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dontwantlifestopit

Ati isn't so fast with opengl games. But a xt850 should be fine,hmm.
Can you overclock your processor more?

<< Comment #8 @ 12:18 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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zerra - Reply to #4

doesnt change a thing. tried it with @ 3.2 ghz.
it looks for me, that some points of the maps wasnt not really closed.
why i got framedrops when i look on a wall? when i walk few steps the "fps drop" is gone.

its very very strange.

<< Comment #5 @ 11:23 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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X`

Same spec as you except 1 gig more RAM. Same exact problems.

<< Comment #6 @ 11:54 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Bain

same system except I have 1 gig of ram and an amd64 3500+
no problems here, got fps capped to 60 all the time except if I go in higher resolutions then 1024 * 768.
Its a HIS X850XT with 5.10 catalyst drivers.
maybe its the P4 I heard they have problems with doom3 engine.

<< Comment #7 @ 12:09 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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zerra

ok, i think its the game...
i tried everything and a friend of me got fps drops with his nv 6800gt too. it looks like there is something to fix.

i hope nv&ati will release a new driver asap.
and raven/id a patch too.

<< Comment #9 @ 12:27 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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fAtAl-e

Hmmm got the same problem here!
SYS:
p4 3,2ghz @ 3,6ghz
1gig 466mhz DDR
ATI X800XT PE @ mem:600mhz, core 550mhz.

I dont only have framedrops in certain points in the map but also with more then like 4 players. If i play DM with more then like 8 players my framerate drops below 30fps.

I can't possibly believe that this is due to my processor. Ok, it aint ultra fast but it aint so slow either. About 13400 3dmark03 marks.

Anyway this engine is the worst ive ever seen. I play the singleplayer on high detail 1024x768 and so far i havent seen real slowdowns or anything.
Then i put ALL the graphics down, the game looks rediculous, worse then q3a (where i get 500fps) and certainly worse then for example UT2004 where i get super smooth framerates also.
And the game runs like terrible slow shit.

Great job, uhu. What a bad programmed engine.
U can't tell me that the realtime shadow and lighting takes away 400fps compared to q3a. And even then, i would still be having a comfortly 100fps. But i dont!

<< Comment #12 @ 13:03 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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mnz! - Reply to #9

framedrops within a deathmatch with alot of people arecaused by the servers. they can hardly handle all data and because the netcode and the fps are directly connected, they can't go higher then the server is able to.

<< Comment #14 @ 13:54 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Sub-Zer� - Reply to #12

makes me wonder if Unreal Engine 3.0 will be able to tackle the netcode issue, and come up with better online fps

<< Comment #71 @ 15:44 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (85-124-104-17.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) - Reply to #12

sorry bud, thats not always right. we tried it on a private server (university) where i am administrator in the lan.
1) system is connected 2x gbit to 2 different catalys 6500. ->so cant be the bandwith
2) server has 4 gb ram dual channel
3) 2 x Opteron 248
4) 2 x ultra3 scsi disks 72gb raid 0

and there are lags when 4 players are on. and i dont think that the machine is going to its limits... ONE cpu was at 18%

<< Comment #10 @ 12:40 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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rdmz

I have almost the same setup and the exact same problems zerra
amd 64 3400 1 gig ram x850xt , most places when im standing still 60 fps, when im in fights or open areas dips to 30-40 pretty poor if you ask me and im not even running it on high quality, like low quality 640x480. LMAO

<< Comment #11 @ 12:40 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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oS-Droniac

Have the same issues with an athlon64 3200+ (though slightly less badly, drops to about 40 FPS at worst - but it's still very annoying)
Q4 is too CPU-intensive in multiplayer... my video card can handle the game fine, no prob. (changing graphics settings makes no difference for the framerate drops - the only thing that makes a difference is playing on servers with less players.. over 10 players == fps drops)

<< Comment #13 @ 13:52 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Sub-Zer�

i have x800xt and i'm using the config in that 'Tweaked Config for you!' post, and it makes it look a lot worse than your screenshots, but i get constant 60fps everywhere, and it dips sometimes in fights.

CPU = Athlon XP 3200+ @ 2.4GHz
RAM = 1GB DDR @ 432MHz and 2-3-2-5 timing

<< Comment #17 @ 20:15 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Strider - Reply to #13

Can you do a screenshot like the following so I can see how your CPU speed is helping the framerate:

http://www.kivlin.me.uk/quake4_lowfps.png

Edited by Strider at 01:16 GMT, 23rd Oct 2005

<< Comment #20 @ 22:52 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Sub-Zer� - Reply to #17

i dunno, i just get 63 fps standing at that spot...and mine looks nothing like that anymore, you can barely make out any of the textures.

<< Comment #22 @ 23:19 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Strider - Reply to #20

I'd appreciate if you would go to the low fps place as shown in the screenshots and enter the command "benchmark" in the console and post your results.

<< Comment #15 @ 16:41 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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FoxFaction

I have the same rig except an x800xt, and the same problems. I notice while the rockets are travelling through the air they also cause the framerate to drop. There is something about the effects where the weapons spawn and the jumppads that cause the rate to drop I think.

<< Comment #16 @ 20:12 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Strider

I've got an AMD 1800+ XP running at 2.25ghz with an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro. The following is combined screenshots at 320x240, 800x600 and 1024x768 and they all have 34 FPS in your low fps area of the map:

http://www.kivlin.me.uk/quake4_lowfps.png

In otherwords for Quake4 my 1800+ @ 2.25ghz with an ATI 9500 Pro system is performing the same as your P4 3ghz with an ATI X850XT system.

The low fps suggests a CPU speed issue but I would hope Raven can do something about it rather than forcing their customers to upgrade to a significantly faster CPU.

It doesn't bother me much because I'm upgrading anyway but there will be many out there that will be forced to upgrade just because Quake4 runs like shit. :)

<< Comment #18 @ 20:33 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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SCHWONG - Reply to #16

I am also getting the same fps (~34fps) in the same area with my
P4 2.8ghz, 512mb ram, r9600xt 256mb
This is with low settings. (havnt tried it with any other)

On my brothers computer which is a...
PD (pentium D, dunno what that is) 2.8ghz, 1gb ram, x700pro 256mb it gets around 40-50 in the same area. This is with medium or high settings, doesnt matter, same result.

<< Comment #19 @ 20:38 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Strider - Reply to #18

I tested again with my CPU overclocked to 2.35ghz (from 2.25ghz) and now I get 38 FPS (a 4 FPS increase).

<< Comment #21 @ 22:56 CDT, 22 October 2005 >>

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Sub-Zer� - Reply to #16

what they should've done was had multithreaded support...a dual core Athlon or Pentium would've handled that shit just fine

<< Comment #25 @ 09:36 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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suarve - Reply to #16

"forced to upgrade"

get out more dude

<< Comment #28 @ 18:42 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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Strider - Reply to #25

Pffft, I usually don't respond to simpleton comments but for you I will make an exception.

dude stfu. :\

<< Comment #117 @ 15:15 CST, 31 October 2005 >>

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ashr - Reply to #16

in that same spot i get around 40 to 59 fps (fluctuates rapidly).. in this particular screenshot it shows 55. my rig - amd 64 2800+, 512mb ddr 400mhz, radeon 9600 pro.

http://ashr.revolution.pl/ashrq4fpsdrop2.jpg (may have to copy paste url into address bar)

Edited by sp^ashr at 21:24 GMT, 31st Oct 2005

<< Comment #23 @ 06:28 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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zerra

First response from the Activision Support:

Thank you for contacting Activision�s Technical Support. I'm sorry to hear about your problem.

I will try as best as I can to help you. Could you please attach a diagnostic report generated
by your computer so that we can further help you.
1) Go to the Start menu and select Run.
2) In the Run window type "dxdiag" without the quotes and hit OK
3) Run ALL the tests for video and sound
4) When you are done with the tests, click the "Save all information" button.
5) Save the text file that is generated by dxdiag.
6) Attach the dxdiag.txt through the webpage forms with the provided link.

"You will ALWAYS have better fps indoors than outdoors, because it has a much smaller area to
draw. It's actually very common."

<< Comment #24 @ 07:08 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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Streight

got the same problem...
it total unplayable online.

my system:
XP
MSI K8n NEO
AMD64 3200
6800 gt
2gb 3200
sb audigy2 zs
latest drivers

<< Comment #26 @ 18:27 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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clueless

sick tbh :(

<< Comment #27 @ 18:33 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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LoCK

I have the exact same problem with a P4 650 (3.4GHz, 64-bits processor), X850XT and 1024 ram. But I get more like 40 FPS at that spot (doesn't mather if I play at 1024x768, or 800x600). What the fuck is wrong with this engine?

<< Comment #29 @ 18:46 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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Aimslu7

Count me in on this too, I'm running a 7800gtx, 3500+ venice, 2 gigs of ram. Certain maps and certain spots on maps get so damn choppy. I've tried updating drivers serveral times now but with no luck.

I'm waiting for some kind of fix, my computer should give me 60 fps with ease.

<< Comment #51 @ 03:06 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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toifel - Reply to #29

that's insane.... i thought about updating my system after Xmas, but if you're even getting FPS drops with that rig, I honestly dont know what I should buy.
Must be something about the engine... let's wait for the first patch and see what raven can do....

<< Comment #30 @ 20:51 CDT, 23 October 2005 >>

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Ashler

That's it then... Id and Raven have seriously got to get their act together and "Point Release" the game as to avoid these framedrops, they make no sense, just by watching through certain angles or positions.

Edited by Ashler at 01:52 GMT, 24th Oct 2005

<< Comment #31 @ 00:24 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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hijiok69

I think it's because of the features implemented into the map (dynamic lighting). If you take a look at some of the tdm/ctf maps the spaces are just as wide open, but you get capped fps. Take the rose for example. Little to no fps drops except in the middle. Even in the middle it only drops to around 45 and the architecture of that level looks a lot more complicated than fragging yard's. Someone needs to remake these maps without all the useless graphical effects.

<< Comment #32 @ 07:47 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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zerra

i updated the topic + something in the main posting.
plz test your system with the ctf map relativity.

<< Comment #33 @ 07:55 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (dslb-082-083-074-141.pools.arcor-ip.net)

Add me to the list!

P4 2,8 @ 3,2
1024 mb Ram
Msi X800 pro @ xt pe
Audigy 2

<< Comment #34 @ 09:05 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (brgf104aaa.upc.es)

p4 3ghz 1mb cache
kingston 2x512 ddr 400 2,5 dual channel
radeon powercolor 9800 pro 128mb
asus p4p800

I think I have enough pc to run even quake 6, but what a surprise, I reinstalled d3 and welcome to 10-lowres-fps arena ...
I played it before with a gf4 ti4200 in high quality allways with 40 or more fps (If i put it to low res, 60 fps); so I thought it was the gpu (nvidia's nazism), but what the heck, with 6800 and 7800gt and the same problem! A fucking martian must have taken our PCs, not other explanation.

Cheers from Spain

PREDATOR 6

<< Comment #43 @ 16:48 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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keeB - Reply to #34

sorry but a 9800 pro will not run quake6, or quake4 for that matter with any 'perforamce' you are suggesting

<< Comment #35 @ 09:27 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p549C582D.dip.t-dialin.net)

me2

AMD Athlon 2600+
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro @ Arctic Silencer Rev.3
Infineon 1 GB DDR 333
Abit Nf7-S

<< Comment #36 @ 09:34 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p54A918EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

amd 3200+
1gb ram
6600gf pci express

fps drops at several spots, no smooth gaming possible.

<< Comment #37 @ 10:01 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p548F1592.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

Does anyone who has a really good pc has this lags just on some places on the map and DOESNT have an audigy 2 (ZS) ?

<< Comment #38 @ 10:26 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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zerra - Reply to #37

make no sense... tried it without the card!
a clean system, only with the cpu, 1*ram + only one xp boot hd and one dvdrom = framedrops.

<< Comment #39 @ 10:28 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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vitriol

same problems here

Asus A7N8X Deluxe
xp3200+ @ 2.2Ghz
1 gig Corsair XMS 3200 Cas 2
Radeon X800XL 400/490
2meg ADSL line

Game is unplayable in this state.

<< Comment #40 @ 11:01 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (port-212-202-176-41.dynamic.qsc.de)

Same thing here

AMD XP 3200+
1 GB DDR 400 RAM
nForce 2 Ultra 400
ATI 9800 Pro

:-( still hope a patch can fix it

in Game 10024x768 @ LOW
and 800x600 @ LOW

<< Comment #41 @ 11:11 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p508B91B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

I thought i was just to stupid to set the adjustments right, but tested now nearly everything. My PC is not the best, but on a medium/low level it should be able to produce a constant fps:

P4 1.6 (overclocked to 2.2)
Asus P4PE
Sapphire Radeon 9800 pro
Infineon 1 GB RAM
Soundblaster live

No chance of getting a smooth gameplay even with the lowest settings world has ever seen. Thought about upgrading the one or other part but this seems senceless to me in view on the posts before. Somehow fooled or?

<< Comment #42 @ 16:32 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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KiRiON

Same Problems:

Intel P4 3,0 Ghz HT not OC
Asus P4P800 i865 latest infs
2 Gig Ram
Asus X 850XT 256 MB latest Catalyst 5.10 not OC
Creative Audigy2 ZS with latest Beta driver

The Game stutters like hell

<< Comment #44 @ 16:51 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (manc-cache-7.server.ntli.net)

AMD 64 3200+ / 6800 / 512mb

Same

<< Comment #45 @ 17:44 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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calleking

I'm running the tweaked configs along with this:

P4 2.4 @ 3.0 GHz
Sapphire X800XL (overclocked)
Latest Omegadrivers
1.5 GB RAM
Soundblaster Live 5.1

i do get 60 fps but it drops down even though i'm not in an open area or if i'm in a fight. The drops just seem to occur randomly.

Edited by vanion at 22:45 GMT, 24th Oct 2005

<< Comment #46 @ 17:57 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (h81172250054.kund.kommunicera.umea.se) - Reply to #45

I have some fps drops too, but almost only when its 8+ players on the map or the "space" maps. Id and raven should make a multiplayer patch soon, or people will but q4 aside for an other game..

My system (unclocked):
a64 4000+
2gb ram
7800gtx
(this system should be able to play the newest games)
or?

<< Comment #52 @ 03:59 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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calleking - Reply to #46

yep it should run new games just fine.. we'll have to wait for a patch

<< Comment #47 @ 18:30 CDT, 24 October 2005 >>

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Strider

If you do devmap mp/q4ctf4 and go to one of the low fps places then enter r_singlelight 0 in the console the framerate becomes stable. Use r_singlelight -1 to enable the lights again.

Seems to me that the lighting processing code is taking far too long and it is especially evident in those areas where many lights are visible whereas other areas with high fps they haven't got so many lights or a lot of them are being culled due to them not being visible.

Also in high fps areas the CPU usage is often less than 50% but in the low fps areas the CPU usage hits 100%.

If I had a 4GHz CPU I suspect my 9500 Pro would be enough for me to have stable framerates in Quake4 and I'd probably only need 384MB of memory or at a push 512MB seeing as the Q4 maps I've tested don't use any more than 150MB.

I think if Raven added vertex lighting or some other fast lighting method to the Q4 engine the majority of gamers would have reasonably stable 62.5 fps even those that have moderate systems like mine is these days. :)

1%

<< Comment #49 @ 01:59 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #47

or just r_singlelight in multiplayer :x

<< Comment #50 @ 02:44 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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BaeSt - Reply to #49

that would be the easiest method to make everyone happy. it's not going to happen.

<< Comment #55 @ 04:44 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (238-11-101-159.adsl.legend.co.uk) - Reply to #50

Could a mod add it as a cvar though?

<< Comment #99 @ 01:50 CDT, 28 October 2005 >>

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BaeSt - Reply to #55

NOTE: satire.

<< Comment #56 @ 05:36 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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calleking - Reply to #47

I've tried exactly the same stuff and I can't do anything more than second what you're saying. Obviously the lightning process is not optimized at all and Raven/ID needs to make some serious adjustments to please everyone. The lightning process is just taking way too much resources than it should.

/ Hoping for a neat and fast solution

<< Comment #57 @ 06:07 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (238-11-101-159.adsl.legend.co.uk) - Reply to #56

Didnt they get d3 to run a voodoo 2?

If ppl can manage that then maybe we can get tolerable framerates on our 6800s :)

What annoys me is that running around a map on my own = constant 63fps - go online and play against a few ppl its down to as low as 15fps.

<< Comment #58 @ 06:09 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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jonjay - Reply to #47

Good find, I also noticed it used very little memory. Maybe e-mail this to raven support?

<< Comment #59 @ 06:23 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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zerra - Reply to #47

hmm changes nothing on my system... ill try now the new omega drivers...

<< Comment #60 @ 06:31 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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arQon - Reply to #47

> I think if Raven added vertex lighting or some other fast lighting method to the Q4 engine the majority of gamers would have reasonably stable 62.5 fps even those that have moderate systems like mine is these days. :)

Exactly (see my comments in various other threads). The FP PPL is the overwhelming pig of render time, but AFAICT there's no way to NOT have one: only to use various different ones (which do make a difference, but only a few %, which makes them fairly pointless). A VP-only interation gives an absolutely huge performance increase (unless you're on a map/area with atrocious geometry) for virtually no "real" visual quality loss given that it's only going to be used in situations where shadows, specular, and bumps are ALREADY disabled.

That's only the biggest piece of the solution: Q4 clearly has significant other problems judging by the comments people with uberboxen are making about framerates plummeting just because one or two other players are in view, but one problem at a time eh? :)

<< Comment #48 @ 00:30 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (doc-24-32-85-243.brkbrnt.tx.cebridge.net)

Add me to the list:

Doesn't play very well at all on my 2.8ghz p4, 1 gig ram, x850 Pro 256mb. Patch please!!! SOON.

<< Comment #53 @ 04:06 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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symbol

im having quite smooth fps all-a-round, when playing 8 ppl DM i rarely get fps drop below 40

few screens

http://www.saunalahti.fi/aleksahj/kake4/shot00001.jpg
http://www.saunalahti.fi/aleksahj/kake4/shot00002.jpg
http://www.saunalahti.fi/aleksahj/kake4/shot00003.jpg
http://www.saunalahti.fi/aleksahj/kake4/shot00004.jpg

system specs:

p4 Northwood 2.4@3ghz
Asus P4P800 Deluxe
1gb GeiL 433mhz DDR (fast timings)
MSI GeForce 6800GT (AGP)
Integrate Audio
ViewSonic VX924

Edited by symbol at 11:45 GMT, 25th Oct 2005

<< Comment #122 @ 06:21 CST, 23 January 2006 >>

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Anonymous (gate.terraplay.com) - Reply to #53

Hi Symbol,

But thats exactly the problem. You are supposed to never (EVER) go down below 60 FPS. Then you can have 60 Hz on your monitor and have a super smooth game. If it drops below 60 Hz then you will not get a smooth game. And - with the new super duper graphics cards and processors - that is not too much to demand IMHO.

/Roland

<< Comment #54 @ 04:24 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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dontwantlifestopit

This game really needs a fast processor, really fast. Especially in multiplayer.

<< Comment #61 @ 07:12 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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nemo.no

AMD64 3500+
Gainward GeForce 6800Gt (465, 1200) (78.01)
Asus A8N-E (latest drivers)
1.5GB Ultra SLOW ram.. :) That shit is so slow it makes my commodore look fast :\ But shouldnt impact FPS that much from what i read.

If we could get vertex lightning as someone said before, and also the forcemodel command to conserve ram for those that have little it would all be good. Im not gonna bash the game now tho, its a new product and in our world new products means bugs, either we hate it or not.. :)

We can only hope that ID/Raven (i dont know who is gonna support the game) will act quickly and get some stuff sorted out. Cheers

<< Comment #62 @ 07:33 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Belial

I must say that this game seems to be bad coded and has many flaws , when running the ggl timedemo i have 120 fps some places in action and then i drop down to 30 some places .

Doom3 run much much more smooth then quake4, in doom3 i seemed to have better fps at open areas compared to closed areas where no "distance blurring" is happening .

On relativity i even drop down to 40 for a split second when im on my own server and alone.

I have athlon 64 4000+ @2.7 ghz , 7800 GT , 2gb corsair CL2 pc3200 .

I do not think Quake4 should give these big framedrops .
I dont see anything specular at all in these maps , not more then was in quake3 , all the shadows could be faked and we would not have noticed. You use ALOT of money to buy good hardware to run the game smooth, but then it doesnt because the engine has some hidden nice things that demands 8ghz cpu ? An upgraded Quake3 engine could have been better for the job .

<< Comment #63 @ 07:38 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (238-11-101-159.adsl.legend.co.uk) - Reply to #62

Absolutley rediculous for it to slowdown on that computer.

Raven/ID have totally fcked up, WP.

<< Comment #67 @ 09:31 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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jabba - Reply to #62

It's not the first time Raven has problems with id engine. Compare Q3 framerates to Jedi Outcast or Jedi Academy. It's like 3:1 most of the time.
We can do whatever we want with image quality, nothing helps if lights and geometry are too complicated - we're screwed (and destined for CPU upgrades)

Maybe we could do something with these console variables?
r_actualRenderer "ARB2" (or what?)
r_renderer "best" (or what?)
image_lodbias "0" (1?)

commands from freakygaming site

<< Comment #69 @ 11:09 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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arQon - Reply to #67

> r_actualRenderer "ARB2" (or what?)

That's the code path you're taking for VP/FP, which depends on your hardware. ARB2 basically means native support for both, which is the best possible option; ARB is probably native VP but emulated FP; and there are a couple of customised ones for R200 (Radeon 8X00) and NV20 (GF?3?) hardware, etc.

> r_renderer "best" (or what?)

The conceptual renderer: it just means ARB2 if your card can do it, and one of the other r_actualRenderers if it can't.

> image_lodbias "0"

r_picmip, basically.

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VERY few of the Q4 renderer settings will have any non-trivial performance impact unless your card is absolutely stone age. Aside from shadows and pathological cases like texture thrash etc, the engine is pretty much fixed-cost for any given scene. The "normal" approaches to speeding things up just don't apply here, because the underlying tech is so different to what you're used to.
Things like bump mapping and specular, which used to rape framerate, just don't matter any more from a performance standpoint. You're already paying for the FP to run and there's no getting away from it: it's going to do all the work for those anyway (and it's a TINY fraction of the total work) which is why people who try to tweak Q4 to look like Q1 typically get basically the same framerates they had before, except now it looks like ass. :P

<< Comment #68 @ 10:46 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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fAtAl-e - Reply to #62

Wel spoken, they indeed really fucked this shit up...

<< Comment #64 @ 08:03 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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j0maK

I'm on this too, thought that with P4 3GHz @ 3,4, Radeon 9800XT and 2 GB of Kingston Hyper-X the game should at least run smooth.

In a 4 player game, the game gets REALLY choppy in some maps, even under 20 fps. Which makes the game completely unplayable.

There should be a fix for this like *really* fast. Or they should bundle the game with some FX57.

<< Comment #65 @ 08:35 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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0gami

At first I thought it was down to bad map design as it only happens in certain areas of certain maps, My specs are

AMD64 3500+
x800 XT PE
1GB RAM

I get a constant 63fps appart from certain areas such as.

On Fragging Yard 1on1 if you stand near the hyperblaster and look towards the railgun area it drops to 45-55fps but it feels even worse!

I really hope something can be done about this, I dont care if the graphical quality is lessend i just want a smooth constant 63fps and with my hardware on low detail i don't see why that shouldnt be possible.

<< Comment #66 @ 08:43 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Six16

My system is a

3.2ghz P4 EE (which ive can oc to 3.6 but doesnt make a tiny bit of difference)
6800gt apg
1gig ram

I get constant fps, but as soon as i get into a fight, it drops to 40ish, which tends to fucking up ur aim!

common raven, sort it out!

(ps i was really thinking about upgrading b4 i read this thread, but i wont bother for a while now i guess, want to see what happends!)

<< Comment #70 @ 14:55 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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zerra

New Update of my main posting.

<< Comment #75 @ 17:16 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Strider - Reply to #70

The r_singlelight thing isn't a tip it's simply a means to understand why we are seeing stupidly low framerates in those areas.

In Quake4 the low framerates are often caused by the lighting code and it is because it's taking so long to do it's thing. For example on some areas of the maps it can take 30ms (meaning we get ~34fps) to render the frame and the majority of that time is being spent on the lighting.

Stable framerates is kinda a necessity in multiplayer so I suspect Raven will provide a fast lighting option and it's probably just a matter of letting them know that we need it.

<< Comment #78 @ 07:20 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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zerra - Reply to #70

update again.

ati users plz try the new omega driver release.

<< Comment #72 @ 15:58 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p54A5ED16.dip.t-dialin.net)

Win XP SP2
Athlon64 3000+
2 * 1GB PC400
AOpen Aeolus 6800GT DV256
Creative Soundblaser Audige 2 ZS

I got primary Ping-Problems in MP with Ping between 20-250.

<< Comment #73 @ 16:02 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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kalfsborst

I've read all the posts now, and there's no doubt that there's a huge bug.

Besides, the framerate is real low over all too, unless you have a kickass rig. I want smooth gameplay. I don't want the system to use all resources rendering useless �ber shadows and shit like that.

I know this is Q4 and not Q3, but still.. I think it kinda sucks. We all know that gameplay > all in multiplayer.

<< Comment #74 @ 16:02 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p5489CD78.dip.t-dialin.net)

AMD XP 3200+
1280 DDR
Asus a7n8xx
Geforce 6800 LE (@ GT)

<< Comment #76 @ 18:36 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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clueless

Xp3200+
1gb ddr
Nforce2 ultra
9800pro @ xt (catalyst 5.10)
sb audigy (installed the latest drivers and all)

Unplayable and utter crap even with the most tweaked cfg i could think off

I recorded a custom demo on a ctf map (speedtrap orso)
With singlelights -1 i got 65 and when set to 0 i got 110

So vertex lightening plz!

Edited by clueless at 01:32 GMT, 26th Oct 2005

<< Comment #77 @ 19:11 CDT, 25 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p54A08A39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)

OS : Windows XP Prof SP2
CPU : AMD 64 3400+
RAM : 1,5GB
VideoCard : GeForce 6800GT with newest drivers
Soundcard is on board

<< Comment #79 @ 07:38 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (212.224.58.166)

OS : Windows XP Prof SP2
CPU : AMD 64 3200+
Board: Asus AV8N-E
RAM : 1,0GB
VideoCard : ATI X800GTO� with newest drivers (ATI Hotfix)
Soundcard is on board

<< Comment #80 @ 08:24 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (Thingol.aachen.utimaco.de)

Same drops, especially near the quad in "RELATIVITY" (CTF). I guess my system should do it (and usually does it):

MSI K8N-Neo2 Platinum
AMD 64 3000+ @ 2.8 Ghz (~4500+)
2GB Corsair Dualchannel
MSI Geforce 6600GT (overclocked RAM)
latest drivers.

Always slightly over 60 fps in MP, but the usual places will stuck like hell.
First played in 1280, but changed to 1024 because of these problems. No changes. Changed to 800*600 for testing purposes, still the same fps-drops. Don't tell me it's because my hardware is outdated. :) I'm able to play in SP very comfortable, also games like F.E.A.R. run very smooth.

(In fact I've another problem with my razor diamondback @ 1600dpi, but that's another topic.)

<< Comment #81 @ 08:44 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (200-103-146-220.ctame7041.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br)

Man , this is so annoying , raven and id software should really do something about that ! My RIG:
Athlon xp 3000+
Geforce 6800GT
1GB ram DDR 333mhz
sound blaster live

I do get 60 fps , but in a lot of places it goes down to 40 fps , it's impossible to play like this , and i am using the worst graphics possible .

:(

<< Comment #82 @ 08:45 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (rba-cache2-vif0.saix.net)

Im running a AMD 64 3500 with Geforce 6800 Ultra and 1 Gig Corsair XMS RAM. Im running Quake 4 on 800x600 on LOW DETAIL - which my pc should run with ease! I get major FPS drops in TDM and FFA type games, so bad that it becomes choppy and totally unplayable.

This cant be a problem with my machine - I run most games (Including Doom 3) on 1024 on high detail with no problems. It must be the multiplayer netcode, or the quake4 engine itself. Im really hoping they can fix this in a patch - because this is really ridiculous.

I know people with 7800GT's(Top of the line cards) that have the same problem

<< Comment #83 @ 09:25 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Ashler

I guess by now we all know why there wasn't any open demo, right ? lol

<< Comment #84 @ 09:33 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (cjk153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)

I have the same problem in exactly same places

Cpu 3.0 pentium 4
1gb ram
geforce 5200 fx 256mb.

I hope there will be patch to solve this problem.

<< Comment #85 @ 09:36 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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avenger-_-

I have a:
P4 2.6Ghz (C - Northwood) OC 3Ghz
2x512 DRR400 Dual Channeled
ASUS P4P800 Deluxe
Creative SB Audigy 2 ZS
HIS Radeon X800 Pro
Windows XP SP 1

I get about 30-50 FPS without Catalyst AI running and 50-63 FPS with Catalyst AI at Advanced Setting.

So honestly I don't get the weird problems which most of you are getting.

<< Comment #86 @ 12:07 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (host217-34-119-13.in-addr.btopenworld.com)

I'm _SO_ glad I'm not the only one getting these problems. Hopefully if we're all vocal enough Raven can get a pointrelease out and sort this mess.

I was well gutted when I thought it was just my system, so demoralising!

<< Comment #87 @ 12:12 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p5492EFFE.dip.t-dialin.net)

in Singleplayer: about 40-50 fps. in MP: only about 25-30 fps :/

same problem:

p4 2,66 ghz
512 mb ddr
geforce 4 ti 4800se latest forceware-driver
windows XP
sound: onboard

<< Comment #88 @ 14:57 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (91-47-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl)

I noticed that the Ati catalyst driver 5.8 gets about 8fps more then 5.10 for my x800xt pe.

<< Comment #89 @ 14:57 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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fAtAl-e

I noticed that the Ati catalyst driver 5.8 gets about 8fps more then 5.10 for my x800xt pe.

<< Comment #90 @ 15:47 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p54A753D0.dip.t-dialin.net)

same problem

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Dual Core
1024MB Samsung
GeForce 6600 265MB
ASUS A8NE-FM

<< Comment #91 @ 16:55 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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q4ce|tox

hi,

i have the same problem.

i run a athlon 2800+ @ 2,3ghz, 1GB ddr, radeon 9800pro and a audigy 1.

i have on the all-over the map 63fps, but at this places, i have 30 - 45fps.

i hate this fps drop. i hope raven and ati/nv bring pathces. :/

mp ist not working with this fps.

<< Comment #92 @ 18:16 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (doc-24-32-85-243.brkbrnt.tx.cebridge.net)

I'm on a 2.8ghz p4, 1 gig ram, x850 Pro 256mb and mp is unplayable some of the time weather I have my settings at low or high.

<< Comment #93 @ 18:57 CDT, 26 October 2005 >>

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masta

got the same problem but it comes only sometimes..after a reboot its fine.

amd x2 4200+
gf6800
abit kn8 sli
1gb ram
no tweak config.only menu settings

<< Comment #94 @ 00:46 CDT, 27 October 2005 >>

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BLUEman

AMD 4000+
2 GB Dual Channel
6800 Ultra PCI-E 256MB

The fps drop even occurs for me... but it's very minor... goes from 63 to 54.

Edited by BLUEman at 05:47 GMT, 27th Oct 2005

<< Comment #95 @ 05:43 CDT, 27 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (host86-130-230-83.range86-130.btcentralplus.com)

What i have noticed from your low fps screenshots is that it always drops to 34/35fps when a jump pad is in view close in the shot... is it only low fps in these places or are there other low fps spots away from jump pads?

<< Comment #96 @ 20:24 CDT, 27 October 2005 >>

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potz - Reply to #95

lo guys i got a nice pc like u lot and was baffled with that bad fps drops, then i found a nice setting to change it all :>

r_lightDetailLevel

put it on 9 or 10 cos mine was on 0

hope it helps

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mrpotz/quake-4/before.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mrpotz/quake-4/after.jpg

potz

Edited by potz at 01:45 GMT, 28th Oct 2005

<< Comment #98 @ 23:10 CDT, 27 October 2005 >>

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tbone - Reply to #96

looks nice too :)

<< Comment #102 @ 06:21 CDT, 28 October 2005 >>

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zerra - Reply to #96

tried 0-10 nothing helps.
but 11 looks like "tron" and everywhere 63 fps! ;)

<< Comment #104 @ 06:25 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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Requ!em - Reply to #96

r_lightDetailLevel helps most on the CTF maps, in particular Q4CTF4 near the Quad.

Description of the cvar can be found at http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Quake4/FPSVisuals.htm with a toggle bind at http://ucguides.savagehelp.com/Quake4/FPSConfigs.htm#Multiplayer

<< Comment #101 @ 03:17 CDT, 28 October 2005 >>

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fAtAl-e - Reply to #95

Weird, i tried these settings (cant remember if i tried 9 or 10)
but im gonna try this!

<< Comment #97 @ 20:58 CDT, 27 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (12-219-86-54.client.mchsi.com)

I did a clean format on a 80 Gb Hitachi (just for games ,and page file ) and every problem went away ,now it flies in M/P .

AMD 3200+ Newcastle-754
DFI 250 Gb UT
1Gb OCZ 3200 gold
Sparkle 6600 GT with 79.11 drivers

<< Comment #103 @ 01:54 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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seste

hi, read alot about this now. i SOLVED it.

my sys:
a64 3500+
x800 pro
1gb ram
win xp sp2

what helped was the NEWEST omegadrivers, and the option FASTWRITE ON which is by default OFF.

now i have always 63 fps, also @ jump pad area.

gl to the rest.

<< Comment #105 @ 08:57 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (bmk209.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)

Same problem!!

My system:
AthlonXP @2300MHz
GeForce 6800GT @390/1200
2x512 MB RAM
Abit NF-7 S

<< Comment #106 @ 09:48 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p549649CC.dip.t-dialin.net)

Same Problems

System :

AMD64 3200+
1Gb RAM
Radeon 800XT

fps drops at several spots, no smooth gaming possible

<< Comment #107 @ 10:12 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p5482628F.dip.t-dialin.net)

Same Problem here
Amd 3000+
1024 RAM
Ati 9800 pro
contimous 63 FPS and the sudden framedrops downm to 25 fps.
Smooth Mp gaming is not possible. Now if this issue is not solved q4 was my last ID/Raven game i bought.

<< Comment #108 @ 11:44 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (p549DF0B3.dip.t-dialin.net)

i got that problem 2. in some places horrible frame drops and at many mp action 2.

system:

P4 3,0GHZ @3,2GHZ northwood
sapphire radeon x850XT 256mb ram (dna driver 4.4.5.10)
2x 512 mb ram (twinmos twister) CL 2 ddr 400mhz
windows xp prof
onboard 5.1 sound

<< Comment #109 @ 15:27 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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mammon

The main thing is, Q4 is undone just like the Q3 was at the beginning. Lets wait for a couple pr's to come out instead of buying a new PC.

<< Comment #110 @ 18:42 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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crack

honestly, did u ever ask urself, why u get 30 fps and not like 55 or sth?! sounds the hell of a lot like vsync.

SWITCH IT OFF!

Edited by crack at 23:43 GMT, 29th Oct 2005

<< Comment #112 @ 04:34 CST, 30 October 2005 >>

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zerra - Reply to #110

very nice comment!
.........

<< Comment #111 @ 22:01 CDT, 29 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (ip68.78.1311A-CUD12K-03.ish.de)

AMD XP 3200+
1 Gig Dual Channel DDR 400 ram
nvidia 6600 GT
nforce 400

This is quite a good system imho. But i still have horrible framedrops. Shame on Raven.

<< Comment #113 @ 12:39 CST, 30 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (202-0-62-194.cable.paradise.net.nz)

I have amd 3000+, 1 gig ddr400 ram and a 6800 GT and everything runs perfect, online and offline?

<< Comment #114 @ 15:10 CST, 30 October 2005 >>

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Anonymous (ip68-106-97-160.dc.dc.cox.net)

i have the same issues, which after spending what i did on my rig really ticks me off...my specs are

pentium d 3.0ghz
2mb ram
2 nvidia 7800gt's on SLI

still it drops to 40-50, on any setting. hopefully some PR's will help the issue out.

<< Comment #115 @ 15:34 CST, 30 October 2005 >>

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krabban - Reply to #114

now that absolutley sucks ass. raven better fix this game soon.

<< Comment #116 @ 11:00 CST, 31 October 2005 >>

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pallys

AMD64 3000+ SPAW @ 2.8ghz
7800GT
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
G.Skill 4400LE 1GB
Audigy 2

tweaked config, latest drivers, get fps drops 35-60 trying to play CTF

<< Comment #118 @ 04:44 CST, 1 November 2005 >>

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Anonymous (chello080108120137.7.11.vie.surfer.at)

AMD 64 3500+ @ 2,4GHz
GF 6800 GT
1GB Corsair 400MHz
Win2k latest SP, dx 9.0c

only forceware 61.77 works almost without framedrops. frames are still far too low for my system.
using any forceware above 77.77 (tried several up to 81.85 and 81.87 beta) will result in a 30+ fps framedrop in nettimedemo (ctc01).

suxs bigtime

<< Comment #119 @ 06:20 CST, 1 November 2005 >>

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By $\0/$ zrC

os: Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600)
cpu: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+ (2009MHz)
mem: 1024MB
gfx: RADEON X800 PRO Secondary

i got 30 fps at some places and with players on the map it can dipp even lower.
i hope they gonna fix this.

<< Comment #120 @ 11:57 CST, 3 November 2005 >>

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sk!a

AMD64 3200+
1 gig ram
radeon 9600

its in bits !!!!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #121 @ 16:40 CST, 4 November 2005 >>

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zerra

plz read the main posting and try the fast fps mappack!
thank you all for your support!

<< Comment #123 @ 06:33 CST, 23 January 2006 >>

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Anonymous (gate.terraplay.com)

Hi,

I have made some experiments - and I have found three causes for slowdowns.

1. Too many lights

Can be fixed/improved with light levels.

2. Too many polygons

Can this be fixed?

3. Too many graphic effects for bullets for "machine gun", "blaster" and "nail gun".

There seems to be hundreds of polygons for every bullet - and it seems to be there for a second or so. This means thousands of polygons in every fight with those weapons - and you respawn with the "machine gun". This seriously drops the frame rate. Just me myself shooting drops the farme rate 10-20 FPS - so if many shots it will drop very low.

And the msot weird thing is that the effect of those thousends of polygons on "machine gun" is almost invisible - very hard to see any substantial effect at all. Weird!

/Roland

<< Comment #124 @ 03:50 CST, 24 January 2006 >>

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Anonymous (gate.terraplay.com)

OK,

Now I understand the problem fully.

1. The Doom 3 engine does not have a general light map. All lights are used at run time. And - there are lots of lights - which means lots of computing.

2. This is nice for single player where you in Doom 3 and Quake 4 can modify the environment (e.g. move things or blow them up) and still get correct lighting effects. The shadow of a blown up item looks rather strange.

3. In multi player this sux. Who needs realistic lighting in a dynamic environment when playing multi player? The Doom 3 engine is a single player engine.

4. The maps that Raven have made have the same LOD for all lights. Seems to be LOD 10. So - setting light level to 11 turns off all lights. Then you see only glowing textures. So - you cannot adjust the number of lights used. And even if you could - chanses are not hight that it would be useful as the lights not are designed for being used thus. Maybe decorations around jump pads and mussle lights can be removed though.

5. The high FPS maps are maps where there are few important light sources.

6. Except the lighting problem - there is also a problem with overloaded details. Shooting with e.g. a machine gun generates hundreds of polygons with translucent textures. Thats heavvy stuff. And the machine gun is the most common weapon in multi player.

/Roland

<< Comment #125 @ 13:16 CDT, 20 August 2007 >>

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Anonymous (cpc2-hatf2-0-0-cust131.lutn.cable.ntl.com)

No surprise here folks.....
More Quake 4 performance issues.

My rig;

Athlon64 3700+ (overclocked to 3.64Ghz [tried not o/cing too])
Geforce 7600 Extreme 256Mb PCIE
3Gb DDR RAM
PCI Sound Blaster Audigy 4
120Gb SATA HDD

Not really a tiny little system ay? I can run games such as Colin Mcrae DIRT, Half Life 2, and Oblivion without breaking too much of a sweat! But install and execute Quake 4 and things become ugly...

My FPS sometimes drops to 10 or 12 in intensive scenes, even in 640x480 with no advanced features.

Note, this is NOT network gameplay and I get decent benchmark results in 3dmark, and aquamark, this is a Quake 4 problem (it could be OpenGL as I haven't tested any other OpenGL games!)

Any ideas??

<< Comment #126 @ 19:32 CDT, 20 August 2007 >>

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Putka - Reply to #125

This topic is almost 3years old. My first guess is that you dont know about q4max mod and performance profile.

http://www.q4max.com //look for q4max0.78d and download it

Edited by Putka at 19:33 CDT, 20 August 2007