Lost fleet is just a big box with a few walls.

like all maps?

No.

Blood Run is the obvious example it has clear rooms etc that are seperated.

Lost fleet has some walls to provide cover.

Perhaps I should have said "one big room" rather than box.

Then Mahamati the Bodhisattva-Mahasattva spoke to the Blessed One, saying: You speak of the erroneous views of the philosophers, will you please tell us of them, that we may be on our guard against them?

The Blessed One replied, saying: Mahamati, the error in these erroneous teachings that are generally held by the philosophers lies in this: they do not recognise that the objective world rises from the mind itself; they do not understand that the whole mind-system also rises from the mind itself; but depending upon these manifestations of the mind as being real they go on discriminating them, like the simple-minded ones that they are, cherishing the dualism of this and that, of being and non-being, ignorant of the fact that there is but one common Essence.

On the contrary my teaching is based upon the recognition that the objective world, like a vision, is a manifestation of the mind itself; it teaches the cessation of ignorance, desire, deed and causality; it teaches the cessation of suffering that arises from the discriminations of the triple world.

There are some Brahman scholars who, assuming something out of nothing, assert that there is a substance bound up with causation which abides in time, and that the elements that make up personality and its environment have their genesis and continuation in causation and after thus existing, pass away. Then there are other scholars who hold a destructive and nihilistic view concerning such subjects as continuation, activity, breaking-up, existence, Nirvana, the Path, karma, fruition and Truth. Why? Because they have not attained an intuitive understanding of Truth itself and therefore they have no clear insight into the fundamentals of things. They are like a jar broken into pieces which is no longer able to function as a jar; they are like a burnt seed which is no longer capable of sprouting. But the elements that make up personality and its environment which they regard as subject to change are really incapable of uninterrupted transformations. Their views are based upon erroneous discriminations of the objective world; they are not based upon the true conception.

Couldn't agree more!

blip - Although the author probably put a lot of time and effort into it, it's more of a mapping excersize or something. I personally don't think it stands a chance as a serious Duel (or any other gametype) map.

phrantic - As usual another well built map from swelt. I agree with what Jonjay says here, it's too much like a CPMA map, and is too small. Also, i'm not keen on the almost gimmicky features like the teleporter destination on the pillar to allow RL splash damage etc.

Most of the other maps I've seen are no doubt good efforts, but just aren't up to the standard required for quality duel maps.

I expect it'll be some months before the quality maps appear.

i'm not keen on the almost gimmicky features like the teleporter destination on the pillar to allow RL splash damage etc.

It was like that in the CPMA and Doom3 versions.

As for Blip it is a playable map and one of the best released so far. Nobody has said it is a classic but it is a lot better than fragyard/over the edge.

first impression:

phrantic - too small, agree

galang - too open

blip - too flat (unreal like)

fleet - too unreal like aswell..

shallow, i know :P

I don't think pro-blip is flat at all, in fact it should be more flat.

i mean flat like.. like all the unreal maps are.. open is perhaps a better term.. it's like you're in a big arena instead of a "map maze" like ztn - a houselike q3 style :)

wtf flat? i'm pissed off by all the ramps, its like a friggin rollercoaster. same with galang RA area. make some FLAT maps with USEFUL ramps, dont just put ramps in everywhere.

#9

#stfu heaaaheiaouaeohaeoi

It is like those PK custom maps where there are ramps all ovr the place just to speed you up/allow you to gain height without losing speed :(.

except you lose speed if you do it in q4. :P

:(

I've been playtesting these the last few days and have gotten a good feel for each map, well except blip.

galang - probably the most fair map of the bunch, which isn't really saying a whole lot. If you know what you're doing it can be smooth to control and you can keep a good player shut down. What makes it fair are the easily accesible power weapons (mainly lg/rg). Playing defensive with these weaps can keep the guy in control in check and help steal armors etc. 1 min timer is a decent idea, although I liked the 35 sec one better in the old beta.

phrantic - Pretty small, not too fair. If you know how to run armors you'd have no problems with this map. If you are in total control it'll take a bit of luck (couple dead on spam rockets etc) to get you back into the game. You always know where the enemy is which makes it easier for the guy in control, and if you have control of the red you can pretty much also keep the upper ya from the enemy (again if you have any clue on running armors). Easy to find yourself losing frag after frag in a short period of time.

tmp 2 lost fleet - trash map honestly, same with the original. It rewards stupid play and mindless agression. Which is to say it's a aimers best friend. Atleast in tmp2, if you're not a complete aim whore, you can help yourself out a lot more by controlling the mh spawn rather than running the 2 armors. But still, it's aimwhore land and you're gonna have to play wallhackingly smart to keep a 60% rail at bay.

I would slave like a monkey and try and build my own maps, but right now I just have a creativity block, everytime I open up q4editor i just want to make cpm22:(

Cool post! :)