Where are plaincolor picmips? I'd be fine with either 0 or 10+, rest looks crap to me.

the option was missing, added 16 (aka max value)

If I recall correctly, the maximum value was 8. Everything beyond that value doesn't look any different.

afair it depends on the textures' resolution whether it has any further effect or not, 9 should be sufficient for any textures in q3 or something like that.

bind f3 "exec stream.cfg"



stream.cfg

s_musicvolume "0"

Every time a map starts I think to myself, I hope they leave the music on...

They always turn it off though :(

serious...

:D

16 !

Isn't this a delicate issue because of the way the stream is encoded? Using lower picmip gives nicer textures, but results in harsher compression and increases artefacts, possibly making it look worse and/or harder to follow. I'm out of my depth here, but someone reading this will know.
Just throwing it open to a poll could be a bit dangerous because generally people would rather look at nicer textures when speccing (I can see already picmip 0 is winning), but might wrongly assume the stream would transmit this higher quality flawlessly.
Someone with a clue can reply to this (maybe you), or I would suggest at least testing it (maybe internally).

i also think this could be a problem

Yep, exactly. Plain graphics will result in a more clear picture, rather than having those big and blocky artefacts. Therefore I voted 16.

I think it's the opposite of what people think.

Picmip 6 would have very basic walls, less variance in colour, meaning less compression needed. A wall that's one colour will always be 20x smaller in file size then a wall with a variance of colours.

If we're dealing with the free stream, there's no need for Picmip 0. We won't see that much detail, and if Picmip 0 were to be used, the majority of the compression would be used for the useless textures.

If we ran Picmip 6, the compression can be used for other factors of what we're seeing, like score, weapon shots, etc.

Keep it nice and simple to see, 6 is perfect

picmip 0 of course, most people will always want best graphics and quality so i dont see any reason for using a setting which makes game look older and uglier.. Its like quake movies, who the fuck wants to watch them with anything other that picmip 0? i think no one since havent seen any picmipped movies..

just get premium stream if you think that better textures will fuck the quality..

premium could get an even better quality with more picmip (be it more framerate, less artifacts, or higher resolution)

no use for "the best quality texture a 10 years old game can offer", still looks like 10 years old (on the other hand picmip looks kind of classy)

I don't get how people can use anything besides 0 and 16.

picmip 5/6? better depth perception than 9 or 16, but less stress on the eyes than 0

well picmip 6 is OK, but I kinda prefer it to be all "toyish". The thing what I mean was that r_picmip 1-4 sucks, it looks awful and doesn't help seeing anything, in any way.

1-4 are quite useless indeed :)

agreed

picmip should be 10 and fullbright set to 1..

8-16 same

FULLBRIGHT (Y)

10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTVQr0kNl2U picmip6_400kbit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGKTdCcW7_I picmip0_400kbit

Mind doing the same with picmip 16?

for me 16 is exactly the same as 6. actually the picmip6 might be with quake live set to picmip 16.

Too bad it's down right now, I would have showed you the difference from my screenshots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwbLTbH5pro this one is picmip 16 + vertexlight 1. Personally I hate the look different lightmodes give QL in videos

FULLBRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go r_ignorehwgamma 1 to get rid of those annoying shadows

No it's different, with higher picmip that say 6 the steady light sources get fucked up.

thx for doing this, maybe you could add a vid using picmip 4 (i guess thats what they use atm)
imho this really shows why picmip 0 sucks for streaming

didnt know 6 would be the same as 16 though o0 wodner why the cmd uses such high values when it doesnt change anything. or does it in combination with other settings?

There's definitely a difference between pimip 6 and 16 when fullbright is turned on, but I don't see any change with the normal light settings

I guess the guys over at esl are using something like this config http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVHEtAhthHs picmip4 400kbit. Maybe with overbrightbits 0 instead of 1.

Here's also
picmip6 fullbright1 mapoverbrightbits2 400kbit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgPzMkOFq4o and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uVJ0OA4Ls fullbright1 picmip16 mapoverbrightbits2 400kbit

The difference between 6 and 16 is obvious to me, but after 8 it's getting about the same. I don't see any difference between 10 and 16.

When using fullbright I'd advise using overbrightbits "0" and mapoverbrightbits "0".

That gets rid of the super bright textures like the walls in those two videos (Also don't use it with vertexlight, but I guess you didn't).

Yep, they should use
fullbright 1
vertex 0
lightmap 0

Could someone show these videos to the quakelive.tv guys?

Their config is a bit much really!

picmip 6+ is by far my preferred for streaming videos. the artifacts produced by higher quality are ugly and distracting.

dont use fullbright, the map needs to be dark compared to the enemies/items/etc.

also your (map)overbright settings look good in that picmip6 vid.

as far as vertex is concerned, i'd lean towards vertex off, as i find the extra detail helps to add depth to the image, which is better for spectating.

When vertex and (map)overbrightbits are all set to "0" fullbright doesn't look so bright and generally looks nice and gives a nice contrast.

did you ever play threewave for f3?

Exactly what I thought would happen. The Picmip 6 compression allows for more detail with everything else. =D

end of discussion I guess :p

Didnt take rendering and compression into consideration. Now I wanna revoke my vote to 10+ in stead =/

this is how it lookslike on my screen with
picmip 10
fullbright 1

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40931267@N03/3768313230/sizes/o/

shiney

Do you have vertexlight "1" or lightmap "1" on?

well you can see for your self, i´m not a cfg xpert so i have made these cfg´s from a QL Config Generator i found "somewhere" on inet...

there are 2 cfgs, play.cfg and spec.cfg the only thing that diffs are simpleitems and fov...


Config

Yeah, vertexlight is "1"!

I like it the way it is now.

Cause I has premium.

if we put 16 picmip then some premium users gonna think fuck i wasted 3 euros :( :P

No, I won't.

he said some, not all ;(

i would :(

THIS :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86uVJ0OA4Ls fullbright1 picmip16 mapoverbrightbits2 400kbit

thanks btl btw.

fullbright 1? no way

ok ive changed my mind..

6+ please

Now the high picmip vote is fucked like libertarians in party politics

Lets unite at 6 people

Changed to 6 after watching the vids above, 0 looks unwatchable.

Basically, this could be free vs premium stream as you need 6/16 for the free stream since the kbit rate is low. Otherwise the premium stream should have enough bandwith to handle a higher amount of details properly.

The depth impression is quite fucked up with 16... harder to estimate the enemy's distance. I wouldn't want that on a stream.

You mean depth perception...

what difference does it make?

you aint playing...

and if you have trouble judging depth on the current maps in this day and age then you need shooting

use simple items too please

yeah after watching nukems videos i changed my vote to 6 aswell.

same here.. changed to 6 after watching those vids :)

r_picmip 0 (Highest quality): 31% (45)
r_picmip 1: 5.5% (8)
r_picmip 2: 1.4% (2)

-

r_picmip 6 (Simpler textures): 27% (39)
r_picmip 5: 15% (22)
r_picmip 16 (Simplest textures): 15% (21)


55 for high quality, 82 for picmip 5+. I hope they don't misinterpret the poll results.

i just hope for picmip 0!

I dunno what picmip was used during Guard vs Killsen on t7... but it looks worse than the previous settings.

That was picmip 0. Absolutely horrible, couldn't see a thing.

Continuing the theme from my previous post ( http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1727150#pid1727150 ), the average picmip currently voted is

6.84 = [ 0*55+ 43*6 + 25*5 + 16*22 + 8+15 + 16+6 ] / 165.


I'd prefer a high quality config in general (shadows, lightmap, picmip 0, bright green enemies, r_enablepostprocess 1, high geometric detail, cg_simpleitems 0 and SNOW ON SIBERIA), but if the stream is at a low bitrate and will garble the image anyway, picmip 6 is a better choice. With a higher bitrate stream I'd rather see picmip 0, though I play at picmip 6.

blatantly obvious the flat colours are far better

yet people still want high detail even though it;s pixelated to fuck?

laff.

Picmip 6. I can't believe this is even a question!£%$!^ :D

I disagree with the picmip whoring crew. Youre just specing, the important part is attracting people, release your ego, realize the truth.

6

6

6

max details would be great ;)

you sure?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1726810#pid1727049

i mean it would be great to watch this in max det i dont know nothing about streaming and stuff

just make it so it looks good on the stream too ;)

Simple fo sho +1