The only improvement I really want is a big playerbase.

the clan arena playerbase in north america is not that large, and they will not 'flock' to tdm for any reason.

What was the last 4v4 tdm tournament to have a decent prize in NA?

This is the last one I could think of and it was almost a decade ago


Tdm is dead because there's no money for it in NA
Bring the money back and people would return.
Gimp ca into casual mode only and more people would flock.

False? I was around when tdm had money tourneys here.
Pub tdm wasn't popular when no tournaments were happening.
When big tourneys were in progress, you could always find a tdm pub.
Tdm is a big commitment and needs prizes to bring activity.
Europe has two divisions right now but I believe it used to have quite a bit more teams when they had more prizes/incentives(usually LANs were the incentive)

Bring some money
Lower pub time to 10 minutes
Gimp CA

It's definitely possible

Quakecon had a TDM tournament with decent prize money in 2012 (or 2011).
If I remember correctly, there were 6 NA TDM teams.

6 teams total I believe, most were european and 1 of the NA teams were so out of the loop they practiced ctf leading up to the event rofl... yea we're fucking morons on this side of the pond and I don't think anything will ever change that in the NA quake scene. it sucks here unless you're a braindead ca child or the solitary 1v1 type... so you have to pick one of those while the purest funnest and bestest way to play this game just sits there un used -_-

Q43A has quake 3 weapons
Q43A has good ramp jumping
Q43A has air control
Q43A has custom map gravity
Q43A has "strafe/bunny" jumping, bunny hoping

Q43A has endless things, and most customizable in the server config you can create easier with Q43A launcher

http://www.esreality.com/post/2465036/dl-the-...orks-here/

so is it like militia?

renamed militia to Q43A in 2011 and done all the MP game with the million threads in the q4 forum on here and all the dev patches etc

if you want Q43A to work on windows 64bit, and linux you need the current full release on moddb and no other version or messed up dev releases

Q43A still has all the militia SP gameplay and other misc things that were added

what?

vehicles,air-crafts,hats,skins,fart sounds,nukes etc.

Q43A has vehicles, skins, custom MP player models, nukes guided from POV

http://www.esreality.com/post/2465036/dl-the-...orks-here/

wow, really??How do I install this, what do I need to play that game??

quake 4 with point release 1.4.2, it would be obvious if you clicked on the http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a

i want environment destruction like in battlefield 4, would be fucking awesome in quake

Would also be fun in the competitive mode. Imagine a 10-minute duel with the map gradually turning into ruins.

rage engine with small maps and quakeworld movement

or actually i think maybe quakeworld engine with upgrades, i dont think rage engine is fast enough for quakeworld gameplay

ezquake with huge upgrades

same maps with graphics updates and a few others

nah i dont even think they would do quake v, seriously.

quake 4 live is your best bet

its a gameplay issue, not a graphics engine issue, millions still play cs 1.6

if by q5 you mean a singleplayer version with gimped multiplayer then maybe yes

if you havent noticed after q3 id engines have become very closed in and community stopped growing around them, obviously id doesnt really want that as a longer term goal and quake was always supported by community work. quake live is more like a service, it doesnt grow community as much since its all controlled by id, cant modify or add custom maps easily.

Why are you debating with yourself?

Welcome to esr.. where insanity meets lunatics.

Rage movement is potentially really nice anyway, you can strafe and everything already.

megatexture stuff wont be able to kep up with crazy movement speed of qw or even q3 or q2. consoles ruined id engines as well now.

crysis same shit that game is complete shit the third has call of duty graphics with closed in corridors and slow gameplay.

id wont fix rage engine for quake gameplay, pretty sure of that they would stick to console development.

no matter what they say consoles have gamepads and gamepads are fucking retareded slow gameplay cs style and then they work around that building a slow, good looking engine that would load up textures as you move slowly within the game.

i have actually moved to mmorpgs as my main choice of games, at least those games are geared to pc gamers first.

Seriously you can make one long post instead of making 40 short ones.

the way it works i would have to constantly edit a single post since i wanted to add something to what i just posted.

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stop talking to yourself.

mmorpgs are for noskillers

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Not to sound to harsh, but really mmorpgs are just not suited for competetive play ... just enjoy playing it maybe like watching a t.v. series, except t.v. series are already timeconsuming like hell, but mmorpgs puts the time consumation on a whole new level ...
who cares away ... feeling that we live in a complete consumer world ... so many guys around who know all current films out there (including all the garbage), especially all the different series, etc. ... I don't think things were like this even in the not so long gone 90s ...

quake is tough, but its far from competitive its not 2002. the community is small its like a sewing circle of reliqious quake fanatics.

even for example if we say yes quake is for top fps players, but there is only maybe like a thousand quake players, what happens is the game doesnt go anywhere they all use the same techniques because playerbase is small, no one cares.

it was fun in 2002 ecause quake was one of the popular games, now where it is, its not only unpopular, id doesnt want it to be popular, they dont make any effort to make multiplayer games at all. there is no way they are making another quake arena game until doom 4 is finished and that is way off. an indie dev can make a better game, but it wont pickuip because there is no marketing behind it. id can make a good game, but they dont care.

even now there are plenty of things wrong with quake live. for example there is no clamp down on graphics settings, so you can tweak the client to have r_picmip 10 and all the textures go away, vertex lighting for shadows to go away. so quake is not even presentable to average viewer if you go down to how its really played and not just showed off with pretty graphics. no other modern shooter has this, even counter-strike has all the graphics clamped down to a set of rules that cant be tweaked down to remove textures and lighting.

whats even worse, id moved on to consoles, quake is not a genre that is specific to pc, you can play shooters on consoles, all major studios move to consoles and quake live just seems as a desperate attempt to cater to a hardcore player. i think id just doesnt want to make better games, adrian carmack, lead artist have left id after doom 3, there is no sense of visual quality that was before. john carmack is the only guy that can push the limits, but that is now limited because shooters are now developed for consoles, no more fast paced action until they ditch gamepad altogther.

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Megatexture should be used in Single Player only, Multiplayer Quake should NOT use megatexture for the maps if it was competitive game like that

Big playerbase.

Active development.

Frame interpolation. (motion blur done correctly)

Very low built-in latency.

Highly customizable.

Multi-view demos.

Overall responsiveness, game opens/closes/loads maps extremely fast.

Good support for low resolution, high refresh rate setups. Perhaps including Indy physics.

Low system requirements.

Adrenaline inducing fast gameplay ala quakeworld/doom2.

Very strong netcode.

Clear and organized cvar list devoid of ineffectual cvars, separation between cvars that would be of interest to the client and cvars that would be of interest to debugging.

Some attempt made to solve the vertical sound issue of there being no difference of above and below.

Perhaps the horizontal sound or just the sound in general could be improved (pvs results in some oddities).

Relatively bug free upon release. Go for Id game with the fewest bugs upon release.

Small size to the game. Should be less than 1.5 GB imo.

I agree with most of what you say. But having a size restriction of less than 1.5GB. What is that about? In a time where everyone has at least 500GB space available you think the storage is an issue? Care to elaborate?

Small size to the game. Should be less than 1.5 GB imo.

Never gonna happen if they stick to megatextures.

Demos/extra maps/mods/screenshots don't apply to the base install. (Well it can have some mod files, and a few example demos, but these would probably contribute little to the size).

If you look at the size of doom2, quake1, quake2, and quake3, they
are all quite small.

My QL directory, _with_ demos, screenshots, and extra maps is 1.15 GB. Of course it doesn't have all the demos I've ever recorded as I back them up regularly on an external HD. I use autorecord though and I rarely delete demos so that's understandable.

You don't need 20 GB to get good graphics, and you certainly don't need that much to make a great game.

I feel like if they go over 1.5 GB for a base install, or some number near that, that the game's focus will be in the wrong direction.

Agreed everything, but You forgot GTV!

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Lolvq3
You're supposed to be some movement pro but it took you two months to bridge jump on dm6, lol.
Sign up for the upcoming cpm tournament and show us what you're made of :)

Zoom should be forbidden ..

I'm sure he doesn't want to take it away from you, really.

hawhaw.

don't you know it kinda aims for you?

also, no more xaero player model.. that is cheat.. you get like + 5% accuracy for only using xaero model.

Agreed on the social network aspect. Should also come up with a new, hip name. One that sells.

That's not a link, that's a drop-down (hide) button. You're supposed to press it not open it in a new tab.

Yes. id will sue itself. They are based in the USA after all.

Then it wouldn't be Q5. Because Quake 5 also has the name "Quake" in it.

i can laugh at all off these esports related comments, isnt that basically all in quake live. i have seen quake live failure from a mile away 3 years ago when they started using esports community as a main contributor of ideas.

if you think like esports guy, you can basically r_picmip 5 all the content that id has been working on and instead ask for some stupid ass crosshairs and lag compensating code shit, i fucking hate r_picmip 5 graphics ok, i dont need a thousand crosshairs or competitive features, let them burn in fucking hell.

there is no modern shooter that has option to turn all the textures to goo, huge disservice to all the artists that were working on textures in quake. at least restrict it to some lower number like 2. its not a huge visual issue really, just imagine somone looking at blank walls at your r_picmip 666, would they really want to play your game? it should either be r_picmip 0, or remove it from the game, its just fucking ugly.

This place is not for you.

Stick to single player games, stop having conversations with yourself, and also please stay off ESR.

so you are saying esports can dictate multiplayer shooters.

i bet esports is about 10 percent tops in any multiplayer game.

esports ruined quake live, thats a fact. id was blind to anyone but esports players whining to add more crosshairs, a fact.

quake live team had no direction of their own so they decided thewy will simply read forums and add some specific feature that only top players want. thats like maybe one tenth of the playing community.

even maps are just a half assed attempt at pleasing pro players, there was no exciting game content to speak off aside from training maps and a few new maps added in the first year. content was shoveled like snow with no regard to quality at all. that r_picmip issue cropped up again, no one gives a fuck if a map is bullshit since every pro player can just r_picmip that shit right?

i admit that i dont really play games that much, but its not due to lack of skill. they are simply not challening or fun. pro players havent moved the game anywhere, they simply made quake live another cpma in a web browser, thats a failure. if quake live ever shuts down no one is really going to care much, returning to cpma and osp, or just plain q3 lan. there was no plan to make any improvement of content or any other significant , it was just plain treading in the same place. meanwhile cs still has way more players and community grows. what was the point of quake live exactly if its just rehash of cpma in a browser.

What the actual hell.

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tl:dr version: farkov

i bet you think you're smart and witty????

dumb and corny more like it :D

Not sure if stupid or stupid.

It needs to be fun to play above everything else. As simple as that. Have a matchmaking system to simplify finding games, a ladder, maybe even further expand on social aspects of the game.

There shouldn't be any focus on competitive or esports play, at least initially and not at the core of the game. What it needs is a huge amount of casuals who have fun playing it with friends. If there are players and gameplay worth hosting tournaments it will be done with or without the support of the developer. But I much rather have id software put their efforts into making a fun game rather than putting half of their focus on some competitive and tournament platforms which no one would use if the game itself stinks. *cough* shootmania *cough*

That being said I think duel as the main competitive mode should be replaced or made equal to team modes. I think playing team based game modes is much more popular in any game as it makes less ladder anxiety and it is generally more fun. Repeating what I said before competitive play shouldn't be a core of the game but an extension of the huge casuals

smaller hitboxes and headshots.

Orbb says hi!

Ql is just too easy. Period
You playing cpma again, brother?

people say hitboxes are smaller in quakelive but because of the netcode...you can tag the edge of the hitboxes like they have a tail . Hitting rails in quake 3 was harder because you had to be more in the center of the target to get the hit. both players in cpma with 80 ping is actually a great way to play quake.....lg seems harder in quakelive though, atleast to me.

Your lg isn't setup right
Send me your cfg and ill hook you up.
imsg if you want help

Your opinion proved to be worthless now, headshots with the speed of quake are just random

* higher fire rate on lg and mg so that your ammo runs down faster but you deal more damage while hitting (rewards accuracy).
* higher jumping based on the 125fps osp movement instead of the 85fps vq3
* smaller rocket splash radius, higher knockback
* 30 damage plasma
* slight delay on rail q2/q4-style
* no unlagged netcode
* extensive tutorials on movement (by noctis), setup (by fox), aiming (by tox) and map control (by fazz). also on each game type, tdm by winz, ctf/capturestrike by l1nkin, duel by rapha, ca by .. heartless?
* good graphics for sponsors/streams, performance settings available for low spec pcs. 200fps.
* smaller hitboxes
* crazy over-the-top player and weapons models with wacky styles, maybe take some inspiration from saints row and serious sam
* match-making system like LoL
* MVDs so that new players can watch/learn
* settings of each player is saved to their profile and downloadable
* free-to-play but can purchase/pay for: more player skins/models/weapon skins, profile options, create a clan, joining q5 ladders and leagues.
* full customizable config through a big menu, no settings left out from the menu
* lots of maps for each gametype. dont bother with freezetag, instagib and shit until after release, maybe release those as DLCs.
* integrate twitch
* news updates on upcoming leagues/ladders, movies, youtube videos/user created content etc
* a few bigger maps with support for 32 players
* lots and lots of maps with really different looks, some glass, some beach, snow, sand deserts, etc
* more teamplay-oriented game overall
* CTF showmatch between US and EU to show it off on release

will never happen, why am i still typing.

* smaller hitboxes

YES!


really great list

a fully customizable quake where every mapper and modder can contribute.

give everything to everyone

QL gameplay is perfect.
We only need players

Yeah, because we all know the best things in life are the most popular ones. Like Justin Bieber, One Direction, Twilight, Call of Duty, and so on.

How?

Yeah because QL is a completely new game, and not the browser version of a 14-year-old game, so it should be compared to Q3 in it's first few years.

QL and Q3 are the same in the eyes of non hardcore gamers (99%).
Q3 was a success because it was new and honestly there weren't a lof ot options to play online back in the day besides UT, Q3 and then CS.

the most difficult thing is getting and maintaining a healthy playerbase as everything else stems from that.

so ladders, leaderboards and some sort of user spawned tournament generator would be good. with ql now so many people are top tier yet the skill variation is enormous so we need far reaching skill groups where rapha and cooller are visibly in a league of their own. streams built into the client so top players can advertise right from the main hub. customisations for the noobs. competitive matches and tournament modes with high visibility, forced models and ragequit cooldowns.

in terms of styling I think demonic is good but a bit of a turn off. this is hard because cod or cs for example are easy to associate with graphically. tf2 looks inviting. perhaps setting quake as a gladiatorial game in a post apocalyptic future. make the game gritty, the weapons cobbled together from spare parts... I don't know. artistically you want to pull new players in to something new while retaining the quake feeling.

ditch the consoles. develop for pc primarily and then port it after. this seems the most unlikely financially and unfortunately the most detrimental to the game. ditch single player ala q3. focus everything on creating a multiplayer sensation. doom for sp, quake for mp.

good movement system. maybe drop strafejumping and introduce ramp, wall jumps and make the maps more technical? something with skill but understandable to a new player and an audience instead of the hidden (but amazing) mechanics of strafe jumping.

every other fps now has a limited inventory compared to quake. q3/ql has a weapon for every situation which is great but casually to new players maybe seems too much. so maybe dropping down to 5 weapons + a melee key. I know that'll upset folks. its hard to try and make quake approachable without limiting the game itself.

a playerbase remains the most essential piece of the puzzle.

quake isnt a casual game. you can play it casually when you reach a decent level but for noobs its a rapefest.

I don't know how your bob the builder like sentence reconstruction changes anything. quake as it has been known is not a casual game

you are so steadfast in your views that it's almost pointless discussing anything with you. having a casual experience and being a casual game are 2 different things. quake as it is now and in the past, for a newborn player, is a rapefest for 1 essential reason - a small established playerbase.

the progression from the early q3 days till now in ql has been so long that the a new player is so disadvantaged from the outset that they have literally no chance. the game itself is not casual at all. hidden mechanics like strafe jumping, 9+ weapons all situational and bound at once, multiple styles of aiming, huge learning curve... etc. these are the things that make quake fantastic but also the obstacles new players face.

more players because of promotion would make the noob pool a little deeper but there is still a massive hill to climb for anyone dedicated which to me is an advantage and a challenge i like but will always limit our playerbase. a new game with new mechanics would reset the standard somewhat and allow a new progression.

q3 was hit and miss in terms of finding a decent server with players of your level. less so for people new to game with the multitude of mods and things to configure in order to enjoy these 'casual' experiences. that's why ql makes things more noob friendly. the problem is the playerbase and not the platform.

while your last sentence is mostly true but there is no reason with q5 (the game we're discussing here) that you cant have both at once. a casual mode and a compeititve mode from the outset. that way you don't alienate anyone.

QL is by far the most noob-friendly installment in the series.

I didn't say it's noob-friendly. I said it's more noob-friendly than any other Quake game.

yes quake live doesnt put you against ai players on the first run, that might be contributing factor.

all other quake at lest had decent singleplayer experience that started you off, quake live is straight action, bunny hopping style. i diont even know whether majority of quake players are some kids cause over time i dont even give a fuck if quake is fast paced compared to other shooters or not. if its too fast and gets on my nerves i just turn it off, its seriouslty too fast sometimes, to the point of being annoying to play.

well what can i do, i dont give a fuck about quake, its a mess of gibs and jumping.

i used to play quake a lot, but i just cant make myself like bunnyhopping anymore, its just feelsunnatural. for some reason. i just stopped bunnyhopping and just run around for a few minuites or just spectate. bunnyhopping is a tedious task to do when you just want to relax and get into a game, too much stress, also all the shooting makes my head explode, i cant stand violence it makes me sick, i just want to be inm the world and not interact with anything. kinda like looking at a picture on the wall just get the good vibe of looking at a good piece of art.

So what do you want, a minecraft like game where you don't even have to kill the animals for food?
Why are you on this site anyway

Yea, it is. It has better defaults, easier access to similarly skilled opponents and a much less steeper learning curve. I get that as an elitist douchebag you must hate on it but it being so streamlined makes getting into it for new players easier than ever before.

Haha, what? Find an easier mod? Yeah I bet E+ got most of its playerbase from Weapon Factory rejects. And Jailbreak pros come from a long, proud line of people that had their spirits broken in the first ever game of Threewave CTF they had.


Hahahaha! Get the fuck out.

Gee golly mister, you sure seem to know what you're talking about. A-huh. Practising BFG slides in Excessive is what shaped young Anton Singov into the vanilla duel powerhouse he became later. Yep. Why, the only reason Rapha became a solid all-around champion was the endless hours he put into learning spawn patterns on dm17 games he played in noghost. It has nothing to do at all with the fact that they were predisposed to being good at the game and all with picking an easy mod to play when they were starting out.

Now I can clearly see that the "Bring back Q3" initiative cannot possibly fail with such an enlightened individual at the helm. What I fool I was for ever doubting you. I mean, you know a lot of people from insta communities. Q3 is truly blessed to have a genius like yourself to champion its cause. Godspeed. ;_;7

My entire point is that playing some gimmicky bullshit mod won't further you as a player in general, because you will only develop a very particular set of skills that will get you good only as far as whatever gimmicky shit you are playing. If someone gets good at something, they got good at it because they are naturally predisposed for it and have put the hours of practice into it to develop the necessary skills.

Looks like I also missed the newbie exchange program established between the various niche mod scenes. I was fairly certain people just settled into whatever seemed the most fun to play at the time and gave zero thought to how this would impact their budding gaming career. Just like it is right now in QL. Is there like a pie chart or a reference page that was passed around so people new to Quake games could measure their expectations against? You know, like "I'm not so sure I can make it in Quake Rally just yet, and Quake Chess seems a tiny, tiny bit too cerebral, so I'll play Painkeep for 10 years straight, that oughta make the transition smooth".

More options for growth, that's rich.

Yeah because the average experienced player will enjoy losing equally to winning. Jesus, dude. What kind of a brainwave is that? Individuals will react differently to different experiences, there's no way to quantify their reactions, noob or not. One will stick with the game despite getting trounced, the other will move on. It was as true in the Q3 days as it is now in QL days. You seriously think the average newbie, after getting raped, would think "yeah, that didn't go well. Let me find what other different mods are for this game, maybe I'll find one that suits me better"? Some would. Most wouldn't. It's the way of such games.

The difference between Q3 and QL is thus - Q3 had thousands of players scattered across different mods and gametypes, often having little to no similarities in gameplay paradigms, resulting in fragmented communities that couldn't relate to each other, much less offer any sort of transitions between themselves. QL has a centralised, streamlined system in place with gametypes at least vaguely similar in paradigms and mechanics which makes for a much easier transition. You can argue that being spoilt for choice is better - and it is, I would agree with that. But it's definitely not better for the typical newbie, who just wants to have some fun with a game and doesn't know what's the difference between CPM and CPMA. Y'know? QL did lots of things wrong, but this ain't one of them.

And yeah, some skills are translatable, but when you're talking about the landscape of Q3 mods, let alone QW and Q2 mods, you're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of gameplay concepts that often don't have that much to do with one another. Hence the mockery I utilized in the previous post when I talked about Quake Rally, Quake Chess and Painkeep.

The big problem is that people dont get paired up with equally skilled players.
One reason why friends usually just close them selves off on a passworded server.
Matchmaking would fix all those problems and the "rapefest" would be a thing of the past.

I had been thinking a lot about the new quake and how I wish it look like.

1) I am sure that it should be simply called Quake 5, while the game itself should be "divided" into two parts. The first part, that you pay for, should be on your computer, just a simple game that you install via dvd or download on steam, which involves the SP with a good story and the whole MP as well as full graphics. The second part should look more like QL, free to play on any computer, MP as it is now, but without the awesome graphics and all the modes that you can get with the PC "offline" version. (Basically make QL free and recall it to Quake 5 Live). The only upgrade that QL needs to be a part of Q5 is an update in the engine, using the Q5 engine, but without the RAGE like graphics.

I guess everybody here wish that Q5 would be more competitive-based, so I think one of the steps you should do to make the competitive side more popular is to make it partly free, so I came with the idea above. With Quake 5 Live you could still play Quake 5 MP against other full version players, but it would look like QL looks now.

Since most of my ideas touch the MP side, I will describe them first and later come back to the SP.

2) There should be beginner and advanced levels. The idea here is to make Quake more easier in the beginner level which involves nerfing strafe-jumping to only press +moveup and +forward keys to accelerate, 20 second and 30 second respawn times for armors and healths, slightly bigger hitboxes (I am afraid to talk about the weapon balance side as I am not THAT pro to have and idea what to do with it yet I would leave it the same way it is now in QL). The advanced level would be the set up we have now.
Now a ladder system like in SC2 applies. While in a beginner level, you can still play in advanced level, making you level up faster, but once you turn to an advanced level player, you can not go back. I guess this prevents tier-slum that we have now.

3) Most of the gamemodes we have now should have a place in Q5 (both full and Quake 5 Live version), but I think there should be added a CS/COD/Battlefield style mod. This mod should be available in the full version only as it needs very good graphics that the current FPS scene likes (you will understand further why). The idea behind it is to bring the CS/COD guys to quake, giving them a new mod they can play in.

The idea is to create a battle scene of human-alien war in a city (for example) where you need to get to a point and bomb/capture/clear it, while fighting for it like in a real war (with bombs, nukes, sniper rifles, realistic guns, headshots, flamethrowers, with military ranks (ranks like these could be used for a level/ladder progress system) ). The biggest emphasis should be made on player number - there should be more than 120 people fighting to make a view of a cluster fuck war where everyone shoots each other in a huge crowd. There are two teams - humans and (some) alien race. Both sides have 64+ players. The human side should always have players, while the alien side could be changed with very hard (QW fragbot like) bots.
What regards weapons, the weapon line-up should have more realistic combat weapons (machine guns, rocket launchers, hand grenades, sniper rifles, a bit of futuristic guns (Rage guns could be used)
As I mentioned, you are starting as a private rank soldier and you need to complete x combats to get a higher rank.
Before going into the battle field, you (and the other 20+ people around you) listen to sergeant major of the army, who gives you the instructions of your mission. Each player can die 10 times after which you can not spawn more and you are declared dead national hero and you need to pass your mission again.

This game mod is more like the Q5 SP sequel, but it is more about bringing cs/cod guys to the quake scene.

4) The single player of Q5 should involve the story of what happened before the story of qw/q2 single players with different videos of young sarge and how he got into military, teen age doom, ranger, crash and other human quake characters, following the story of how they got together, then how the human-alien war began and then the base story of the middle of the war (together with some character (bitterman or crash for example) death, the fall of sarge as a commando and stuff like that.

As I already tired and I want to finish all, I will make a list of what I wish to see:

*Q5 full and Quake 5 Live
*Awesome SP with a deep story following our favorite quake characters
*The War gamemode a a SP sequel to bring more players from COD style FPS games
*Beginner and advanced player levels
*Multi-Pov demos
*Built-in movemaking, demo watching, map making tools (maybe as a downloadable content)
*3 different graphic levels (QL(200fps)/Q4(Doom 3,125fps)/Rage style(30-60fps) for the MP side, so more people and various computers could play the game
*ladder, matchmaking systems and achievements, which will earn you some cool stuff (not those pointless achievements we have now)
*no unlagged netcode
*a small built in quake history
*video tutorials and daily new videos of pros playing
*training maps from movement and aiming

And the most important - a fresh new look of id software (new logo, etc) and its' employees with a Macintosh-like Quake 5 presentation on a QuakeCon with Carmac with a new haircut which makes him look 20 years younger, good stylish glasses and a black suit

P.S. I will add more stuff if I notice something is missing

No id Software.

Unmodifiable net settings. No timenudge, no xerp, etc.

Return to player owned servers. Server quality, location and the ability to form communities based around hosting a server. On top of that, it gives us control over the map making/selection process since we don't have to go through id.

I think I might prefer a stillborn game so as to not waste any more time watching inactive professionals taking their money.

- QL support till 2050
- improved netcode
- Q4-style weapon - teleporter / jumppad interaction
- QW-style lightning - water interaction
- 800 ups rockets pls
- some QW maps (like DM2, DM3, DM4, DM6)
- ladders
- new servers in various locations
- real surrond sound
- maybe an choosable, optional "improved GFX-patch" during install, for eyecandy for the noobs


Did you hear that, Santa?

800 ups u mad bro? i would have said 1000

I can shoot 3 times the airrockets with VQ3 RL.

800 UPS rockets are horrible

They are the best ever.

Q3 support ladders, but they almost not used in leveldesighn.

HUEHUE POTAT

I wonder how a quake produced by blizzard would turn out

Released in 2032 with an auction house for ammo and health.

Q43A credit and buy menu`s work on dedicated and listen servers

http://www.esreality.com/post/2465036/dl-the-...orks-here/

less rail, more in-fight

Easiest way to improve Quakelive (or Quake 5) is to treat all 1v1 and TDM, like they do warm-up/Clan Area and that is to give all available weapons instantly upon re-spawn. That's it. It's a very simple suggestion, that would greatly improve the enjoyment of the game for the 90% that's currently left out and bring in a lot of new blood. All other popular FPS games behave this way, from COD to Counter-Strike. You start with preferred weapons and can adjust/change as you survive/kill.

If 1v1 let you start with all available weapons, just like in warm-up, it would prevent a lot of the suffocation that happens to average/below average players, when a good player takes everything away from them. After a few games or months with lack of items, it's simply no fun for those players, so they leave to something they can have fun with.

This also wouldn't change the ranks of players dramatically, but will definitely increase the player base and improvement. Of course the very small minority will disagree, but that is exactly why we are, where we are now... with only that small minority left. It's also why most players flock to Clan Arena.

- undertow

Having the very small amount of people left playing 1v1 and TDM has caused this issue. Not implementing a change like this will be (already is, due to lack of people) a far worse suggestion 'ever'.

Like I mentioned above, it would really not change most of the top-tier 1v1/TDM. You still would spawn 100/0. Your opponent could still have position, armor, timing, etc... there is a whole lot of gameplay strategy left. All this would accomplish is change a few 20-0 games to maybe 23-11 games. Increasing the fun for the loser, but certainly not changing the outcome (in most cases).

Keep to your 1999 ways of playing and in a few years (or sooner, I'm sure) and this game/platform will be dead in its current state. 10 years from now, I have no doubts that the hottest FPS will behave as I suggest.

- undertow

It would be more aim-based rather than situational, no?

I don't think so. It will help the players with aim-talent increase their odds at winning/doing better. It will afford some players who are not great at timing/positioning to play better, but I highly doubt it would drastically change the outcome of games in most cases.

Players who control the map, armor and mega will still have a huge advantage. If an aim based player spawns and decides to rail instantly, they may take 200/100 guy down to 173/47, but that player still has the advantage and would for 2 more rail shots, without picking up any armors or health. You could consider setting the starting ammo to half of what it currently is in warmup, so 5 rail slugs instead of 10, 10-15 Rockets instead of 25, etc... There are quite a number of ways to make this work.

When all is said a done, the player would still need to stay alive long enough to replenish the ammo/weapons and would still need to time power-ups to have any real chance. This suggestion simply increases the action and improves the experience of the game for the masses, especially the losing opponent.

That is exactly what this game needs, that is to improve the experience for the losing player. That is why Clan Arena is fun/popular because you are able to feel like you at least have a fleeting chance every round. In reality, just like Clan Arena demonstrates, if the opponent is better, they will win, regardless of the starting stack or access to all weapons.

- undertow

This is probably the shittiest idea that i have ever read!!1!!1!

Also why don't you create a profile instead of signing all your anonymous posts?

rarely do i say this.... good idea!
keep things normal for high level play/ high level tourneys though.

most fun i've had in the last 4 yrs playing was the 24 mn ffa server dev pick back in late 2010 i believe.
you spawned with all weapons but still had to time quad, armors, mega.
it was probably the most played dev pick.
nothing changed in the sense of the better people still won regardless but it seemed everyone actually had fun even if they were losing like a mother fucker.

This!

I remember that mode and I cant believe that they didn't make that change to FFA permanent. Way more fun for everybody and alot less spawnrape.

New players dont leave immediately when they cant find weapons (or even understand that you need to pick them up) and more actions all around. Ammo and armour still matters so there is essentially no problems except that you need to lower the amount of players per server to make it work.

Should make this standard in all game modes really and make the old style a "Classic" variant.

this would totally break how duel and TDM is played as controlling the resources is precisely what makes these modes so skill intensive in the first place. Furthermore, you would reduce the game down to nothing but aim - if you want to play Clan Arena, go play Clan Arena. Also, the stupidity of starting spawns could only be magnified - imagine those horrible start spawns on, say, T7, where one guy spawns at shotty near the RA and the other guy spawns at top near the 50, but because of QL's weird fucking lag at the start of games he accidentally presses forward just before the game starts and falls into 100% lg.

Oh man I'd get so fucking mad.

This idea is actually insanely good. It would really open up the game without removing too much depth.

Positioning, power up control is still key. You'd also have to think defensively in a new way after killing as you can be instakilled by rail/rocket/whatever.

People would fast start to really pay attention to their position, not related to where the weapons are, but where the enemy is. That is already a factor, but it would be taught more easily to newcomers.

Greatest suggestion so far in this thread.

>lets make the game shit and uninteresting
No thanks, thats why CA exsists.

"that would greatly improve the enjoyment of the game"

That would ruin everything that is Quake and turn REAL Quake into a shitnoob CA-fest.

NO THANKS. NOT EVER.

My top 30 wish list for Q5:

01) Fewer weapons - just the equivalent of gt, mg, sg, lg, pg, rg, rl, gl
02) Either all weapons doing far less damage or smaller hitboxes or both
03) Less ammo
04) Less splash damage
05) Slightly slower rockets
06) Slightly faster plasma
07) New weapon sounds
08) Each weapon with individually configurable hitbeep sounds
09) Crosshair design tool
10) Set of preset scripts to bind e.g rj etc
11) Scaled Armour
12) Projectile collision
13) Environmental Destruction governed fully by the physics engine
14) Teleporting of Projectiles and the projection of momentum and direction through teleporters
15) Player Slide
16) Slightly more air control
17) Wider range of player models that fit the hitbox
18) Demos that reproduce the players' zooming
19) Improved Hud
20) Improved GFX
21) Full surround audio
22) Integrated Mumble, Teamspeak or in house developed ingame audio chat
23) QLRanks Integration
24) QLRanks.tv Integration
25) Completely new set of quality mode-specific maps
26) Fewer game modes just a few good ones e.g. 1v1, TDM, CTF, DOM, CA, FFA and Defrag/Race
27) Ability to toggle 2D overview map in spectator mode
28) Ability to view opponents' health, armour, ammo, weapons and location in spectator mode
29) Improved ingame and post match stats
30) A development team that understands and cares about the game

Why do you want lower weapon damage? With every new quake weapons deal lower and lower damage. Wouldn't it be to much of a nerf if you made rockets have less damage, less speed and less splash at the same time?

EDIT: I'm not saying that you are wrong thou. i like the idea of fever weapons in quake but all weapons should be more different from each other.

Make the MG have no spread at all and instead have recoil that the player have to compensate for like in quake 2. So instead of just tracking like with LG you would also have to compensate for recoil. Remove the shotgun, it a point and click weapon just like rail and add something else that is different then the others.

Add a weapon that is something in between shotgun and rail. Like a weapon that shoots a fast projectile that deals 50 dmg and the weapon shots once every 0.5 seconds so you have to predict his movements instead of just pointing and clicking.

sg would be fine if it did much less damage at mid and long range

Yeah they could add a much larger spread, and preferably make it non random while they are at it.

But then why not make something brand new? A weapon that we have never seen in quake, or any other game for that mater. Do you remember when you played games in the 90's and early 2000 when all games where different from each other and every game had their own weapons? Like when you first got the railgun in quake or the redeemer in UT. Why not make something new instead of making the same weapons over and over.

When you start a new game you should not know how to use all weapons from the beginning. There should be something new to learn and master.

talk about first pickup of the railgun or redeemer reminds me of getting the cerebral bore in turok 2. seems it's hard to create something new and original now that actually serves a purpose as opposed to being a gimmick. i saw an interesting one posted on esr called the icegun which shot out walls of ice that could block entrances and create surfaces for useful nade spam angles. a weapon that curves its bullets like the wanted movie would add some new dynamics. rockets you can control ala half-life, probably not. a harpoon type weapon that pulls the opponent towards you? something truly original would be nice, however i do think the core weapons of ql should remain (rl, lg, rg).

I don't like the sg at the moment, it is clearly wrong. I know back in beta we tried it with all sorts of different spreads and damage settings, but despite everyone saying that this final setup was best, it clearly isn't. It was good when it did 110 damage when you hit 100% at close range, but when it was set like that the spread was wrong and it did too much damage at mid/long range. If the spread could be changed so that it did 110 at close range and less damage than now at mid and long range that would be best. The reason why I think it should do 110 at close range is that it has a slower reload time than the rl, so there is little reason to switch to it in close range fights, if you have the rl because at best it will do 100dmg and won't even bounce your opponent. Of course it has the benefit of not doing self damage, but players rarely seem to take that into consideration. The fact is that it is quite hard to pull off a 100% shotgun blast on your opponent and with the lower reload time and lack of opponent bounce, you should be rewarded with 110 dmg if you pull it off - imho :)

Better yet, make it 150dmg with huge spread and longer reload time; the more correct situational weapon choices are the better IMO.

Make it like in DooM - ~autoaim, huge damage \m/

The reason for less damage and smaller hitboxes is that I'd like to see it harder to work a frag. Now it just takes a bit of splash damage from a rocket and a flicker of 30% lg acc in most cases to finish a player off in a split second. It should require more effort and skill to get a frag and getting a frag should be a much bigger achievement. Of course it might not work as well as I imagine in practice, but I think it would work well. And to combine this with less ammo and slower weapon respawn times (forgot to add this to the list), then there would also be more of a focus on controlling weapons rather than just the items. Tiered Armour would make it slightly easier for the player out of control and generally lead to longer more tactical lower fragging matches where the skilled brain player (like cooller, rapha etc) would excel.

Like I said - I might be wrong, but that's how I think it would work.

- Stable frames per second

don't be silly.

My top 4 of things I would like ;)

it should not have any modifiable settings (except for key bindings and mouse settings).

It should be extremely responsive and accurate.

It should have a (well functioning) match-making system.

It should be promoted better (not like "quake 3 in a browser" but like "the most skillfull game in this galaxy")

region customized soundtrack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYPOxtZJ8rY

LAN support like them old days!

Q43A does LAN

http://www.esreality.com/post/2465036/dl-the-...orks-here/

but does it lift?

find out if you have a fibre connection and get 8ms ping on normal servers

Q43A has fully recoded netcode for all entities spawned, serverside projectiles, and a million other changes

just run it as a LAN server online, and the server will just bypass prediction and not list it on q4master, but you still can connect to its ip

Few more posts and I will install this shit D:

more the merrier. q4 might get some new maps, MP player models and turret vehicles like http://preview.turbosquid.com/Preview/Content...Larger.jpg and have fortress maps in team and FFA

My Top 1, request for a quake 5 release:

- Another community.

what it means ? (i'm just asking)

less of you people = better. OK?

u and cs were made for eachother, give it a try ;p

you and Seppuku, try it.

You're no better than the people in this "community"

gamepad support

- new hardcore visual style, at least for the comp. mode. i would put it this way- replace the colourful plastic with the good-old rusty metal.
- 20 min timelimit for duel. fuck the luck.
- new amazing weapons. not much, just 1 or 2. but they should be as great as the holy LG RL RG. we havent seen a decent new weapon since q2. its time.
- new unbelievable maps. 1st of all they need to have really good flow. look at ztn or t7 - you could set up a decent F1 GP going on each of them.
- weapons interact with the environment - and interact differently. for example, rl deals through-floor damage, like on t4 in q3, little splash through the walls. rg could hit through the wall (maybe, the second wall stops the slug) and so on.
- weapons interact with the players. for example, you could fall after you have been knocked by the the rl hard. so when youre hit its not only the position of your model that is changing, but also the POV changes.
- better knock-out from the rockets.
- rg does 100 hp. and reloads longer.
- grenades have larger blast radius and gl reloads longer.
- sg in close range really knocks the opp away.
- gibs and rivers of blood. (at least, for the hardcore mode)
- rockets and grenades go through teleport.
- you deal more damage in crouch mode (with some weapons). but it takes time to stand up.
- when player is below 20 hp, he's leaving traces of blood - the less hp, the more the blood.
- SECRETS. lots of SECRETS on each level.
- "come to me" gesture of a doom model.

and i liked this from _gone
"higher fire rate on lg and mg so that your ammo runs down faster but you deal more damage while hitting (rewards accuracy)."

- "come to me" gesture of a doom model.

- "come to me" gesture of a doom cooller model.

Limited edition pre-order DLC pack from gamestop.

I like how no one knows what they're talking about. The only good point I've seen so far is getting a larger player base, but the methods to attain that will fail.

First of all, quake isn't dead, fps isn\t dead, na community isn\t dead, it\s just elsewhere and sparse.

Adding tourney and ladder modes to the game wont bring crowds in. It will attract some of the small competitive type gamer, but that\s it.

Forcing people to play something they don\t want wont work either. You\'re not going to grow the TDM scene by making a new game without CA, CA players will just keep playing CA in another game. The point is that you can\t force anyone to play something they don't want to, they have to come to it on their own terms.

To get a large player base you need hype. Plain and simple. There is no single other thing that will even come close to hype. You need to make the game look like it will be fun, even if it's some super hard core competitive shooter, or some super stale no gameplay game like that PS3 one, forgot the name. If you hype it, people will flock to it. I'm sure most people here know about the dogs in the next cod? Well that's hype, even if you hate the game, you know there will be dogs in it, and you're part of the hype machine that will bring in the players.

The game should have no customization like we are used to in Quake. Perhaps cosmetics and weapons can be customized, as part of gameplay, but not things like custom xhairs, or cvars.

Cvars should be completely hidden, and minimal settings should be available to the player. Even me, someoen that likes to tweak things, I don't want to fucking set shit up all the time, the faster and cleaner it is, the better. A game that needs setup to play isn't made well.

Every step of the experience should be highly designed to be easy and enjoyable, that means lack of focus on things like server browsers, and more towards lobbies, and things like that. Contrary to popular opinion, you don\'t need a huge player base for lobbies, they work fine with smaller numbers. Another part of this means things like movement need to be refined. There are tons of things that have never been tried here to make strafe jumping friendly, or even ideas to replace it, while still keeping the game Quake.

The only way for a game to survive and keep it's player base for more than a year is to keep making a new game every year. Otherwise people will go play something else. There's certainly room here for new ideas, without needing to buy a new game, I'm sure there's plenty of possibilities.

People want: hype, graphics, stupid selling points, and crazyness (think bf4 flying boats off waves). The actually gameplay doesn\'t fucking matter one bit to anyone.

Come to think of it, they shouldn't make a game for us at all, since no one will buy it, even us.

What we need is an indie game, like reborn to save us.

I want a really shitty mode like MW2 has that all the casual fucks can jerk off to (eye candy, helicopters or whatever the fuck they have), and then I want a duel mode where everything is like a normal quake.

This way we can have both a very large playerbase and then a skilled duel playerbase.

The problem would be if tournaments only focused on the shitty mode and didn't sponsor duel but who knows what will happen.

I just want Quake 5 to be relevant for casuals and the newer generation. So this way we can start edging back into mainstream and generating fans and interest again.

I'm planning so that Quake 6 actually be huge for dueling, but quake 5 has to start gathering the fans back to id.

after 8 kill streak i wanna fly a helicopter around ztn

THEN WANNA NUKE DA MEGA

COPTERNUDGE

i woudlnt stand for xerp choppers though

You know better question is: "HOW MUCH YOU CAN GIVE FOR ALL OF THIS ?" I can give 30$ for a new game, not for 1 month and not for premium. Maybe after a year i buy new one)

I don't think there will be a Q5 anytime in the next 5 years. What I would like though is if they patched Q4 and brought back the 1.3 movement. Then at Qcon they could have a duel tournament for Q4 and QL. That would be pretty awesome. You might see more than 1 Quake game with some activity. QL would not die because it has enough noobs playing it, and it's free. Although it might be a bad business decision because it could cost them some QL subscriptions. So there might be a better chance of that happening if QL was shut down.

No one is going back to q4 lol.

Why the 1.3 movement? That was the slowest, dullest piece of shit I ever played. The speed in 1.4 was great!

recoed most of the game x86 game code in Q43A and feels more like quake 3, and you can set your player speed in your server config and strafe and dodge jump scales which all work together if the map has a custom gravity in the worldspawn map properties

dodge left and right video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/dodge-jumping#imagebox

press left and right strafe when you land to pick up speed on ground or air control video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/q3-strafe-jumping#imagebox

you have full usable water for custom maps video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/water-physics#imagebox

you have guided nukes from POV, default weapon is alternative fire on napalm video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/first-p...e#imagebox

you have better physics on all moveables ingeneral video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/push-physics#imagebox

you have thirdperson deaths if you want video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/thirdperson-death#imagebox

you have "gravity" property in maps worldspawn video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/worldspawn-gravity#imagebox

you have full custom MP player models with custom lipsync voice taunts, inview arms and skins video http://www.moddb.com/mods/q43a/videos/q43a-cu...s#imagebox

and a million other things along with custom damage sets you can set in your server config

Q4 gradually got faster over time. With 1.3 they had it at the right speed. When 1.4 came out the maps felt too small. Crouch sliding and ramp jumping is over powered. Most people that have played 1.3 and 1.4 prefer the game play of 1.3. The only thing I like about 1.4 is the features and bug fixes.

everything todo with the history of quake 4 has nothing todo with Q43A, most of the game sdk has been recoded to add all the new features and make them work online with all new server and clien side code and snapshot messages, with all original game bugs and crashes fixed along the way

Did you notice that he didn't mention Q43A anywhere or replied to your post?

the whole forum chats exactly the same stuff in every thread about the next quake and quakelive

most of what you all want has been done in Q43A

you all say quake 4 is shit

i say its all recoded and nothing todo with the past of crap code that does nothing buy just works, and slows all the menu`s down, gameplay and then crashes every 30 mins

have a game on Q43A without crying and find out, then add some team vehicles to some maps and conenct/diconnect/ wait for resspawns

use Q43A launcher to make a full custom server config that included in the Q43A folder

it will all work on listen server on your gameplayer server, or a dedicated server online, all exactly the same, except all clients can make netdemos, while the person who created a listen server can not

quad dmg tourney D:

i want random spawns, you have no idea how much this makes me want to play Quake, you have noooooo idea :( just random spawns !!!!

You know the option is already there in QL, right?

nope, QL spawns are not random at all, you can even control them

Option, sofiene. Option.

{"maps":[],"cvars":{"g_gametype":1,"g_spawnRandomRatio":1}}

There you go, fully random spawns!

im talking about random spawns in public/premium servers, that will be used in tournaments and such not as a " mod server "

Well, you know, if nobody ever uses an existing option, I don't see it ever becoming the default in QL or in tournaments.

Random spawns are the best, try playing QW or q3 ( maybe q3 too ) i hate how QL became so " systematic " where you can control almost everything and they added the spawn-protect too which ruined some part of the fun.

Hmm... railgun w/ quickscope, fast gameplay like QW with strong gl/rl/lg and insane air control, change mg to pulserifle.

To make the game more popular (on the long run):

- Starcraft/LoL type ladder/matchmaking system
- Better advertisement to promote the game
- More micro-achievements and stats recording
- Better e-sports implementation (for a small fee) (integrated stream function (twitch/own3d) , QLM system, lobby)
- Game available on steam
- Ingame voicecommunication
- IP-based/serial-key based account registration (avoid fakenickers + tierslummers)
- Release MP demo's before game release, so people can give their opinion and give suggestions about what to improve (disregard ESR inb4 [ - ]'s)
- Good serverbrowser like quakelive.com
- Mod tool to make custom maps
- Let people make their own lan-servers already :D

Mechanics:

- Next-gen graphics with great physics, which is fully customizable for competetive gaming.
- Keep raw mouse input (lmao @ console-ports)
- Painkiller-like movement, or if you want to stay traditional; go with QL/vq3 movement + slight aircontrol
- Good sound engine (QL's is absolutely horrid)
- Decrease rocket pushback/speed/reload or splash area or a combination of above to promote slightly more forward orientated gameplay.
- Do not decrease hitbox size. People with good aim are going to hit exponentially better than people with worse aim anyways, this would make it even harder for crappy aimers imo.
- All the enemymodels should be accurately representating the ingame hitboxes
- Netcode shouldn't favor people with higher ping at all. We're living in the 21th century, why use excessive amounts of antilag, just keep it moderate. People will be able to host their own games anyways, so if you decide to play on ping 50/60+ servers, your loss. + Force netsettings; everyone should play on the same update/upload and commandrates. The less bloated the netsettings are, the more stable + fairer the game will be in the end.
- Give all enemymodels a brightskin + the ability to change their sounds (for instance TankJR with Keel sounds)
- Nice singleplayer with replayability/achievements/coop mode would be nice.
- Quake soundstracks have always been epic, stay true to this formula.


Last but not least; make the game more approachable to the mainstream, but don't sell out and dumb the game down.

Small feature, which could be turned off, of course:
When doing damage, numbers fly out of the opponents body, indicating how much you did. In case of a single full rocket, a big 100 would leave their body, in case of continuous LG damage, a stream of sevens would fly upwards from the opponent for every cell that hits.

Would be a nice touch.

Just add spraying cum.

LG jizz beam

I would like it to be a turn based strategy game. I'm too old to be good at fps games now..

hahaha!
O wait...
I meant:
rofl

thread needs more [img1] tbh

q5 needs [img1] too

and autowarp

Here's my giant list a not insane person wrote so ID can start getting to work on my own personal video game:

I developed this game already. Here it is :

id*

bump

this is why quake will never grow again:

when quake 1 got released, it was the pinnacle of technology
it was the game that pushed every limit out in gaming

full complete 3d world and multiplaying over the internet

thats why it worked

besides that, playability was great, and got tunned to the best possible in quake 3

but it was not playability but it cutting edge concept, what made it big, what made everyone wanting to play it

thats never gonna happen again why any quake clone, ever

just play some other thing or move to real life sports

While that is the correct reason, the game also happened to be great at that and so were the sequels up to q3. It wasn't just that the technical achievement.

What happened afterwards is that the following dooms and quakes weren't as revolutionary and the gameplay suffered a lot as well, because they lost their essence by going to the trendy pseudo realistic space marines theme of the time, including making them sort of survival horror games, and now Q5 has zero chances of succeeding, since nobody cares about id and about quake in particular, it won't push the limits and gameplay-wise consumers don't like that lost essence and if it goes for the currently trendy thing (cod clones) it will be awful as a game.