It'll happen, rumor started because Syncerror basically said it will on twitch chat.

today syncerror on twitch said he would answer questions about QL 2.0

and zoot asked wether there would be unicorns.

syncerror: "there are no unicorns as of know".

and then question time was over. great.

Welcome to zootlive chat.

to be correct sync at the beginning said he would answer one question and then zoot did it while there was a question about matchmaking system XD

yeah it's actually funny. but QL 2.0 confirmed!

QL2 is the Quankalone Stadalive game.

Not sure if trollink or srs, but thats definately not true ;)

We'll see. :)

http://www.esreality.com/post/2504535/quake-l...pid2504662

Well, I hope it isn't too. :)

Thought that was Quake 3

It's a bit different. This one has a web browser built in to connect to servers instead of the crappy Q3 server browser.

so i can go on ESR while the server list is updating?

I doubt it. :)

Quake4 in a browser lol

QL3 confirmed

What if they made a game called, like, Quake 3? That could be amazing, like an arena-style first person shooter! They could even split the 'single player' into tiers where each tier has an end boss who specializes in one weapon?

One can only dream.

All bots in Q3/QL specialize in one weapon. Just sayin

Hunter switches from rockets to LG when in range. But it's the only bot that uses more than 1 weapon, as far as I found. All the other bots use only their main weapon (as soon as they pick it up).

Hossman.

What weapons does Hossman use?

Same as Hunter.

shotgun.

hossman is lg/rocket, silly

maybe im thinking of biker, i picture him with a shotgun in one hand.

Yup. LG/rockets, I checked. I though he used SG as well. :)

Yeah a game where you don't need to pay monthly.

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"We have gathered a team of greatest industry, psychology and sociology analysts and they have concluded that the only way to satisfy the Quake community is to remove all maps but ztn and to only allow players to play during the time that a player named cooller sleeps, broadcasting his matches without asking for spectator's permission when he doesn't sleep for maximized user comfort and enjoyment."

Not sure if ID has monies to do some serious upgrade of QL's engine and add modern features like normal mapping or for example new player models, this time high poly.

If they have money is not the question, the question is if they are willing to invest it.

Zenimax has money, not ID :p

Well, yes, what I wrote mostly applies to zenimax.

And you know - to share some dough - Zenimax would have to see "future" in Quake franchise. Current game is in 1999 in terms of game design of FPS games. Quake would have to "adapt" to current standards. I'm not talking about iron sights, but some things had to be added/subtracted/modified for post Q3A generation of players. Not sure if Quake community would allow any form of evolution of Quake :S

It's mostly a question about winnings allowing an evolution of Quake or not I guess. I'm sure they wouldn't ruin the game though. :)

why don't they make some kind of crowdfundng for a 2-year-quake-development-plan?

Because they are a serious company.

Edit: May be the wrong wording.. considering their history I think it would hurt their reputation, i.e. suggest that they are poor.

yeah it was more like a rhetorical question ;)

Dropping mac/linux suggests they are poor enough already.

Except all the riches companies never offered mac/linux.

Never adding != dropping

This isn't a sign of being poor :) It's a sign of cutting losses / general business decisionmaking / having a bigger more overarching corporate structure now.

The dude involved in the porting of QL to linux and mac quite about a year ago, hence development stopped.

Did OSP and CPMA team have any money? No and they added more features than the entire QL team since day 1. Fucking excuses. And they get paid with the silly subscriptions.

You have no idea how games are being made mate.

You have no idea what you are talking about mate. The team for QL had most of the job done, it was basically porting an already done game (Q3) to another enviornment and that's it, the rest what ripping off OSP and CPMA features.

I was talking about adding modern graphical effects, better sound engine, better models, better animations, better light system, etc.

Ragdoll physics could be added easily, HD textures and skins are already out there along with cooler GFX (as used in some fragmovies).
If they can't get their asses around making a substantial improvement on the game they should find a better hobby.

Ragdoll physics could be added easily

No they couldn't - Quake 3 doesn't use skeletal animation.

To everyone replying to me: I'm not saying they couldn't do it, I'm just saying it's not going to be as easy as you might think. They're also pretty unlikely to use GPL code to do it.

That's what I mean - new guts for Quake would be so cool.

But it could use one just like many q3 engine based games (eg. ghoul 2).

Refeer to #36. Besides ragdoll, still most advanced damage system (36 damage zones & dismemberment). It was so much fun destroying the corpses with the shotgun and this game is so freaking old.

There's no excuse for QL to not have ragdolls for the corpses, it's 2013.

i referred to #36, case in point.

Free, open source community projects:
ioquake3 supports md4
xreal supports md5

Those open source projects require giving away source code of anything built upon them.

No serious company is interested in this.

My point was: company with money couldn't, community did it for free, in hobby time.
Also id software already used code and maps created by different ppl from quake community, for example unlagged netcode or fps-independent-physics.
Not that I care about ragdolls though. I even prefer quite stiff models so they fit the hit cylinder all the time.

God they are so fucking pathetic. QL is playable thanks to the community which did all the work for Q3 FOR FREE and we have to pay yearly for something more expensive than Q3 GOLD (Q3A+TA) and you have still a lot of limitations such as custom maps, buying your own servers, custom mods, adding bots to your server... when will these fucking morons real and make it free to play.

Also id software already used code and maps created by different ppl from quake community, for example unlagged netcode or fps-independent-physics.

Sure but they can't just take whatever they want and include it in QL. Not for free anyway. (like how they contracted arQon to get what you link to) That doesn't mean there aren't some things they can take though. Likewise, skeletal animations aren't impossible. There even is partial md4 support in Q3A's GPL source code release.

q3mme guys allowed fx scripts and they can look really good, pretty sure that any q3 mod could make 2 or 3 fx styles for each weapon and make it available choices for the players just like cg_altlighting or cg_railstyle or whatever the cmds are... (in qw u can choose projectile for rockets for example)

They could just release Q4 with Q4max and they wouldn't have to do anything except make a modern installer/updater. It's a good game patched and it has almost modern graphics on high settings.

They could charge people for hue/skin changes or for the single player. Or they could just invest $0 into it, let the community do a better job of running it themselves, and just throw in ads into the main menu where they can't be adblocked like they were QL.

maybe QL's engine with DX11 effects.
see CoD ghosts. lol

I seriously hope they can market this well enough if it happens. Might be the wrong thread for this but I listed some some random ideas that I think would be good to have from day 1 that would immensely help the game succeed.

- Good clan support

- Easy to watch and share replays and demos

- Matchmaking for ranked games

I think a good matchmaking is especially important because the barrier of entry for TDM and CTF games is waaaay too high in QL. If you want casuals to join and actually play these game modes you need to make it easy, they're not going to join IRC for pickups. Also, going to empty server hoping to get duel, waiting for 15min for someone to come and then get your ass handed to you 20-0 is a good way to make newbies quit. Matchmaking would also fix that, to some extent.

- Ladders viewable from the client (duel, Clan 4v4 TDM, solo 4v4 TDM for example?)

- Normal servers for unranked games (like QL has now)

- Built in tournaments of some sort? Maybe weekly or monthly?

- Not too many game modes to keep the community from splitting too much.

- Not too many maps, or at least keep the ranked map pool clear of shitty maps (QL has way too many maps most of which are quite frankly crap, same goes for game modes)

- Get rid of the very old maps where old Q3/QL players would crush everyone. (ztn/dm13 etc. I know you love them, deal with it) Thing is if you want to attract new competition, you have to make the starting level as equal as possible. Admittedly Q3/QL players will probably have a massive advantage even if they make a completely new map pool from scratch.

- A good (voice guided?) tutorial to the basics of quake. I feel this is very important for new players. (item timing, strafe jumping and rocket jumping for example) QL has okay'ish tutorials already but I feel they could be so much more.

This ended up quite long but none of these ideas are especially difficult to implement except maybe the tournaments.

>remove classic maps
Yeah no. Skilled people that has played for years will crush you in any map. Two newbies can enjoy a ZTN match as much as 2 pros, thats what matchmaking is for, so you dont need to do stupid shit like removing solid maps.

This. The already dominating players have always dominated in the new maps, because the basics of duel, tdm and ctf are always the same.

Also, morgan freeman for the tutorial.

I'm totally going to look into that Morgan Freeman thing.

Seriously though, how about the duke nukem guy.

Or having the good old announcer back. This and the general atmosphere of quake3 (all factors included) is the one thing I disliked the most at first in QL. Could be DLC? How about assets from previous quakes in general, like TF2 did with the Q1 rocket launcher?

QL uses the same announcer as Q3. Both are Xian Antkow, our lead sound guy.

get him to dreamhack as speaker

The QL announcing doesn't sound the same as in q3, although it may be the same guy. Sounds much better in q3, maybe make it an option to use QL or Q3 announcer.

There is a large amount of VO used in Quake Live that never existed in Quake 3, primarily due to the new gametypes and the introduce of round-based play. The entire reason we had the VO re-recorded was because using the old Q3 sounds wasn't a viable option.

And again, given that it is the same guy, using a similar voice and filters, there isn't a really compelling reason to even provide an option like that. If we make announcer voices optional, I'd want an entirely different styles available (female announcer, etc).

the only QL voice you need to change is the quad pickup... make it more like the q3 voice, but even more muffled and ethereal

Q V O O D D O M M O J



apart from that they're perfect... the rest of the old q3 voices sound like the guy had a blocked nose in comparison to the ql voices

just realised that overused inception sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=830I9w7I7wM / http://inception.davepedu.com/ ) is a fucking copy off quad announcer

imo it originated in terminator 2,

also, of all the new films, I think inception actually executes it best.

also, I've just realized I've only seen two of those movies, prometheus and inception.

also, I'm surprised they didn't include Pacific Rimjob

Who did the voice for Crash?

todd hollenshead

Dat ponytail... 10/10 didn't banged

This is the most hurtful thing that anyone has ever said to me.

=(

you fapped listening to todd hollenshead?

keep the female please.

Or do a Morgan Freeman on helium version.

You have to translate all the text in the game, as well as the entire website, to several other languages, this is basic. Stop assuming most people can understand english.
The only thing that should be left intact is the announcer voices, because it would sound gay as fuck compared to Xian's.

Stop assuming most people cant understand english.

You couldn't have possibly made a better point.

You know i meant can fucking aspie.

If he won't do it try this guy :

"- Easy to watch and share replays and demos"

i asked syncerror once to implement an autoupload to an http or ftp file server ...

NO ANSWER

Why would anyone care about QL 2.0 when QL was an abysmal failure? There will be no resurrection. It's time to accept it.

People are where the money is, not more and not less.

Posting in a QL 2.0 thread...

so thats becoming a thing huh

Deserves its own Forum tbh.

not sure if serious or just trolling

WORD. BRANDAN TWISTER SUJOY, GO

QL2 CONFIRMED!!

I don't know if ESR memes need their own forum though. :P

So what is it? When is it released? )

QL 2.0 will be released after Doom 4 and Rage 2, in 2020 (2.0 2.0!)

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i wonder what the new games will look like

Blurry walls with green guys who spark when hit.

GOTY

picmip 0 ALLTIMES

omg the new engine is going to make quake so great. in fact, i believe it will make quake the most populare game once again

ql 2.0 will be part of Q5 or D4

The amount of Syncerror posts in this thread actually makes this idea an ongoing reality :D

my 2 cents.

*2.0 cents.

Copying myself...again... :P

''I'll repeat myself about QL 2.0:

''What QL 2.0 needs imo:

- new engine (id tech 5)
- new maps (not old ones we play for 14 years pls, we need new and fresh perspective---veterans will be mad, but, they'll adapt much quicker than new guys :P)
- new textures
- new models
- ragdoll physics
- gore
- better sound engine (so we can finally understand if enemy is above us or below us, etc)
- no cfg editing, make it simple and same looking for everyone (I like playing with cfg, but, deal with it...if you want new players hop in the game, than don't force them to edit cfg's with million options and commands just to make game playable and on the competetive level, at least make the most used and best commands available via GUI)
- better net code
- gtv
- f2p (DOTA model)
- proper matchmaking''

"-no cfg editing..."

go to hell heretic!

LOL :) You can stay in 99 and play Q with 25 same people. ;) :P

better have an option to copy whole cfg from any player's profile and/or spectate player with his exact graphics settings.

>new engine (id tech 5)
lol no
>new maps (not old ones we play for 14 years pls, we need new and fresh perspective---veterans will be mad, but, they'll adapt much quicker than new guys :P)

I kinda feel ya, but I'd be carefull with that
my opinion is that people should be able to spawn servers with their own custom maps, as long as they pay for pro account

> ragdoll

lolwhat

> textures

lolwhat

> models

lolwhat

agree with rest, tho

some of my stuff

- change the weapon balance and make it more q3-ish, defensive style is too much favored by the game right now, remember duel scores back in the day?

- 15 minutes tl for duel, or make it an option

- gibs

- more options for server customization

- since we were at cfg editing, I thought about making separate menu for team chat binds / macros to make it more approachable for newcomers, think WoW

- matchmaking similar to CSGO could make wonders regarding the playerbase

Why no to a new engine, high poly models? :/ Don't be short sighted!!!!

no to new engine, because ql team consists of 3 ppl? and none of them is programmer? maybe get you head out of your ass and stop dreaming?

Who's third guy ?

I don't care. Plenty of independent tiny teams of 3 people create their own engines and art. Stop treating people working on fucking id software as if they are clueless, plus id tech 5 wouldn't mean they have to code an engine from scratch dumbtard. If this game wants people it has to stop looking 99 first. They should start with the ragdoll, shit's silly looking to young people.

if u dont care, then youre fucking moron.

hf making graphics without any programing experiance. even if you have the tools[idtech engine]

What the fuck are you talking about. I just said lots of small ass independent teams are making engines way more advanced than idtech 3 from scratch you spastic. If they can't add ragdolls and up the polycount a bit to the game they should find a better hobby.

go read #97, then come back and suck my dick, dumbass

They can perfectly implement what I said, your shitty comments are irrelevant.

i wonder how can they implement anything without any skills in programing.

these 3 ppl team you mentioned are always programers who learn how to do other shit.

but dumb ignorants like you, whos life purpose is to whine on their miserable life, and life on others wont understand such simple shit.


just die in a fucking carfire, so your faulty genes wont have the chance to spread in the world

So wait, the QL team has no programmers? now that's funny. You are paying a subscription to people that can't program is what you are saying. Keep it dumbo.

yes, ql team has no programmers. its sad story behind ql, which was basiclly dropped by id.

so ql 2.0 will be developed by a dif team? with a programmer? or is this upgraded version bound to fail because the same people are leading it again.

yo

- config

Being able to (almost) fully customize the looks is one of the best features of the quake series.
It just needs to be presented as something positive (Hey, did you know you can make this game look any way you want, random coddah?), not as something difficult and cryptic.
Until this day, I dont understand why theres no interactive config generator on ql website, or why the cfg guide is hidden somewhere in submenus and contains only a few pictures.
Furthermore, whats the logic behind your suggestion? If people want to adjust the game to their likings, why not let them? Because some lazy dumbkopf cant figure shit out? If a person wont take an hour of his/her time to do this, its easy to imagine he/she wont also practice hard for months while mostly getting owned. Or do you want to take away the skill gap aswell?

- ragdoll bullshit, graphics

What wolfcam can do indicates that you dont need major changes in order to make this game look appealing...
Youre basically asking for a completely new game here, which, considering its bethesda and zenimax, will most probably be a cross-platform p.o.s. and sooner or later u'll find yourself staring at "press X to hop on the jumppad".
If ragdoll, nice graphics and textures is what makes you happy, Ive got some good news for you: Painkiller has all that, enjoy and bye.

Doesnt matter if its ql, ql2.0, ql6.75 or quakelyf, we dont need huge changes to make the game have a bigger and stable playerbase, but the really important things have been suggested since early 2008 over and over with no results.

Another one stuck in '99!

We prefer a ugly game we like to a good looking game we probably won't like (cause high production cost -> targeting the mainstream audience -> making a shit game for the masses)

Again, shortsighted....you think a good looking game cannot be a good game? :/ Quake in 99' was the most beautiful looking game in history of the gaming...and it played great.

No. You didn't follow the logic here. I think a game aimed to please the COD kiddies today can't be a good game. The other step is that a game which costs a lot to develop needs to be made for them.

I really don't care about COD or it's players...I care about Quake and it needs to evolve...we are stuck in the past and that is not a good thing.

no, it wasnt. UT had much better gfx

just stfu already OpieOP

wouldn't configs eliminate the possibility of adding a new source of revenue via skins? why would anyone buy a skin when everyone can just change the way everyone looks?

f2p (DOTA model) was his suggestion. it wouldnt work if you had the option to just change what everyone else looks like. models wouldnt matter. gun skins wouldnt matter.

it a touchy subject. it all depends on what QL 2.0 will be. will it stay subscription? will it go DoTA model? will it just be free with ads?

if they do eliminate configs, they gotta make the character models visible. all of them. not everything has to be bright green, but models like bones or that eyeball fucker should be taken out. new models should be around the size of keel.

Again dumbo, i've shown QL to young people, the first thing they noticed is how fucking silly my big ass TANKJR model was floating on the ledge of ZTN after I killed him, because there isn't ragdolls for the corpses. It was embarrasing. We need to get all of this shit covered.

One cvar I enjoyed in OSP which they forgot to port is cg_deadbodyfilter 1

Just removes the corpse model instantly after enemy is killed.

"at least make the most used and best commands available via GUI"

what? as in.... how QuakeLive does it, *right now*.

/callvote teamsize yourmom

I would doubt the gore thing.

ql 2.0 means different business model. and maybe some slight updates of engine

QL 2.0. will be modern shooter with lean, prone, health regeneration and moba released on consoles with auto aim.

Daily quests and gold farming! AND MOUNTS! \o/

Bring back the fucking gibs! Fuck the rest.

Or at least the sound because sparking is depressant and makes me sad :<

I wonder if it is possible to add hidden cvar that enables gibs and blood and keep current age rating. Now QL is classified as TEEN which is defined as:

"Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language."

In general it is good decision by ID team to hold that rating. Remember the troubles Avek had to participate in tournament because of age restriction?

But this blood limitation is stupid.

CS, BF (BF4 Pegi 18+), CoD - all have blood and much more players. And many 13yr old... much more than QL...

QL dont need to be TEEN...

That's the power AAA games have on the market. When some publishers have such weight and some franchises are even a cultural phenomenon rules work differently.

Some kids can go in some stores and purchase COD even if they are not old enough, if some retailers see 10 000 kids who can potentially step inside their stores they are not going to refuse. But that's just a small example.

Quake Live's situation is a lot different, you can't really compare, I mean you can, but then you should notice that Quake, right now, doesn't belong where COD and BF are...

imo there will be no difference in number of players with gibs or not.

btw. I think most of Quake players are 25+ years old, young players dont like it rather because of business model and its ugly for them and "its jus stupid bunnyhopping senseless shit"

Even my some kind of friend (25+) , quite good in other games didn't understand it "omg omg I railed you twice, you still alive wtf," and told me that up sentence...

Just hard to get into even when I tried to explain it.

Young players dont play it because of other reasons.

Yes of course.

Right now, Quake-like games don't stand a chance maybe, but I'm sure they will be back.

Soon or later COD and BF gamers will look for something else, something different, tired of the b.s. they keep paying for every year with their endless DLCs.

yea, plague of modern shooters :/

there is even lack of WW2 shooters.

btw. Somehow I comming from CoD community. Because when I got first time proper internet connection CoD was most popular online shooter. But im not so young so I remember old games, but mostly from lan with friends Quake, UT99, ET, old CS (also playing against bots, hehe UT99 godlike bots xD). When my friends stopped playing CoD I started to looking something more an more challenging, and now im here ;)

PS. Quite enjoyed new shooter from Splash Damage - Extraction, its good... compared to _new_ shooters. heh

And a lot of those games are banned or highly restricted in Germany where QL is very popular...

blood + germans = nazi :P

I know why they've removed it and why they can't revert it back. I wonder if coloring sparks in red + changeable splash sound (q3 gib splash) would violate those rules.

I wonder if it is possible to add hidden cvar that enables gibs and blood and keep current age rating.

No. Even the assets being in the game and being unusable without cheating could change the rating.

Today I read other topic here on ESR where SyncError said that gib textures cannot be even included in pk3 files.

Another relevant bit of info :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod

if you make quake about graphics, you will not make it quake, just saying.. stop talking about it needing to be this and that graphic improvement, you DONT want it to appeal to mr. mainstream cod-player, because you don't want to play him anyway.

Well you talk like a Quake fan, but you don't talk like someone who needs to make profits, because you know, there are employees, charges, fees, etc. Bring the mass is what is needed. If Quake fans don't understand that this is not a game that is run by the Government for free, then you are not able to even talk about business.

Appearling Mr mainstream is not a good thing you say? We don't want to play him you say? Why not?

Please enlighten me, I'm curious about how bringing COD players can be terrible for Quake...

you are asking me why making quake appeal to COD players is bad??? do i really have to explain?

Yes, seriously, I'm so curious about your argumentation.

because quake is dead?

Yeah because Quake 3 certainly wasn't a revolutionary graphical leap forward. Keep your head in the sand you delusional isolationist elitist-wannabe.

This. Quake has always been about graphics, maybe more than all other FPS franchises ever and all of them required to buy a new PC or substantially upgrade it.

Q1 was a huge graphics leap forward.
Q2 too.
Q3 as well.
Q4 likewise.

Then came QL some years after all that, which is essentially 1999 Q3, and now people want the 2013 version to be still stuck in the past.

In the end graphics attract the much needed new players. As we know from plenty of sources already QL isn't exactly a successful project.

imo for example forcing everybody to use picmip 0 will be nothing wrong. ;)

and imo QL is quite expensive as 1999 game :p

Nothing wrong, except, that a new Quake game with a 1999 engine/appearance will be a complete waste of time and only ensure a pissing away of the limited resources id deals with already. It's bad enough that any new Quake game will be crippled by the fact it has to work on a console, there's basically no chance of seeing another massive leap forward that previous Quake titles are noted for.

This is unfortunately something I guess a lot of people in this community will greet with open arms, the chance to stand still and watch the game continue to decay.

But still picmip 0 looks better than flat textures :P

imo Quake to be good need to be a game for niche if it will go mainstream it will be retarded for sure, slower gameplay, simply, f2p, maybe even something like shitmania.

And when its arena based game it can't have beautiful graphics because still it need great visilibity. So imo it could have nice textures, but enemy skin shoul stay easy to spot.

But what do you exactly improve by forcing picmip 0?
Again, correct matchmaking solves all of this bullshit. Noobs will play vs noobs using picmip 5, and high skilled people will play however they want config wise.

improve by looking better for everyone ;p


but, I need to agree that matchmaking will fix a lot of things.
Im noob and its hard for me to find other noobs with similiar skill.

imo different subscription system and matchmaking are much more important features than graphics.

dota2/csgo like MM will be fine.

but. matchmaking dont do its job when there is no noobs :P

There is no need to limit picmic and what not, noobs play with full gfx because they are clueless, so matchmaking solves this.
The game needs ragdolls so bad, and premium content must be able to be unlocked by playing as rewards instead of being forced to pay for old ass shit.

it's true that most of people play on texture settings that make them look like they are done in paint (myself included), but if you don't appreciate that 'magic' thing about idtech3 that makes it distinct in some way from other games, aswell as artstyle itself, then you're not real quaker

also people need eyecandy for fragmovies

I feel the magic, but new players not, and every game needs them. And im doing the same, because graphics is not very important to me... and doing the same in other games. But its started firstly to get more fps, than was visibility.

I belive that people are playing like that for years and cant imagine to play with picmip 0. But I also belive that there is a lot of players doing that because everybody does, and they want to have "fair chances"

for me there is no big difference.

and really? players who playing picmip 0 cannot be real quakers?...

look, so beautiful http://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2...-Arena.jpg ;)

MATCHMAKING.

Yeah I dont see why good graphics instantly means bad gameplay. If you have the most amazing graphics (still somewhat customizable, which Quake is known for) the modern players will flock to it, no matter what the gameplay is. If you stick with the Quake gameplay, it retains all the prestige that Quake has. If you have modern graphics, Quake gameplay and modern services that a multiplayer needs (and QL doesnt have), the game could be massive.

It would literally be the new coming of arena FPS gaming, and it has been a long time in the making. IMO its a low hanging fruit and someone is going to pick it up sooner or later.

I mean what the fuck, how can anyone even remotely attribute the failure of QL to Quake gameplay and customization when QL doesnt have ANYTHING to make it popular in a modern setting and most people are turned off/dis-interested even before they have any clue about the gameplay.

Yeah because League of Legends certainly is a revolutionary graphical leap forward. Keep your head in the sand you delusional isolationist elitist-wannabe.

LOL isn't a FPS. FPS is the genre were people, specially young noobs expect current gen graphics (at least) in a new game. Killing a corpse that floats on a ledge is unnacceptable in 2013, period.

I don't understand your comment. Even after an edit it makes no sense.

His point is that its not just about graphics, its more about having newb-friendly gameplay.

Gameplay wasn't even part of this discussion. First person shooters have always pushed the boundaries for whats possible, a lot of the attraction for past Quake games has been the great leap forwards in technology. His comment was retarded, trying to hijack my own in a failed attempt to make any actual point.

Quake games, or more specifically their engines, are supposed to be a glimpse into the future, something that excites people and captures their interest. Gameplay is seperate to this. Of course this was back when id was a real company, they're a joke now. Going from industry leader in first person shooters and their engines to complete obscurity. It's hard to believe such a fall is possible.

Is this why pratically every pro played with picmip 5 from day 1?

I really don't know what to say, I cannot believe anyone is this dense. Seriously, mindblowing.

They used picmip to gain higher FPS and to make game smoother not because it looked better or helped them in the game. GFX card werent powerful in those days as they are today. Now they use picmip because they are used to it. Simple as that...

picmic was never a reasonable fps gain unless you played with 8mb gfx or something. picmic was almost certainly used for visibility, as it is today.

How much MB did gfx card in 99 and 00 had?

32mb

And you think that's enough to run quake at 125 fps?

not quakelive at all, but quake 3, sure.

You are just trolling...nothing else. :) GG

im not though, maybe im remembering wrong but isnt gf2 32mb? which should run q3 lowest settings 125fps just fine?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/mx400.html which was tested at not lowest settings tweaks at all, but with tweaks im sure its 125fps.

So, yes, I am right...lowest settings + tweaks (picmip) = STEADY 125 fps. That's why pro's used pic mip at first place.

So, we get back to this, which is correct:

They used picmip to gain higher FPS and to make game smoother not because it looked better or helped them in the game. GFX card werent powerful in those days as they are today. Now they use picmip because they are used to it. Simple as that...

so only performance tweaks is picmip is basically what ur saying? that is not what i talked about. I could be wrong, but picmip is for textures only, which is why my argument is that 32mb is enough for quake 3 picmip 1. More picmip does not have an effect on fps after you lowered quality enough to make it fit in ram????

the huge fps gain was 16bit and texture FILTERING(bilinear) + resolution, vertex, sky, gibs, lod, curves maybe fast sky.

I could be wrong though, im just not convinced that picmip was used as the HUGE fps gainer you make it out to be.

uuh, did i insult your game of choice, cod, maybe?? game being pretty and newest tech =/= game ABOUT graphics. Do you play quake because its pretty to look at?

Nice try you absolute fucking spastic. No I don't play Quake because it's "pretty" to look at, but in 1999 the fact that it was "pretty" gave it some initial draw to try it in the first place, that's the same case for a lot of people.

People like you would have Quake played by all of 17 people just to pretend it makes you special. Please fuck off and die.

vor mad.

the fact that you're not trolling makes it hard to understand that you're not nuked.

Makes it hard to understand for you, maybe, because you're a fucking retarded cunt.

so thats why, thanks for enlightening me. I thought otherwise.

It's thanks to people like you that Quake is an elitist game played by the same 17 players winning 17 dollars. Get a grip dumbass.
To being with, when every Quake game came out, it was the most advanced game graphic's wise at that time.
God you are so dumb i'll stop there.

hahaha ,the amount of hate is amazing, it's a game, i have another opinion on it than you.

I think you forget that a good part of the success Quake 3 had when it came out was because it was the most beautiful game ever

the thing is LoL is ugly as fuck

It isn't.
Nice animation, cartoony/comic style, sparks and shit.
It runs on shitty PC and has boobs here and there.
Good enough.

It is :p

just compare it to dota2
also "It runs on shitty PC" isn't really a viable argument cause nowdays a few ppl in gaming community can't afford better pc to play the game he really wants to play

Yeah dota looks much more "realistic" but LoL is good looking in its graphic style "league".

hahah rofl

Syncerror: John Romero was hired by 2GD and they are now working together on a title called Sever Bornity 2.0.


QL 2 CONFIRMED

plot twist
developers change their minds and decide to publish quake 2 live instead

to have a nicer presentation, id tech 3 or even just ql with some brush-ups should be enough

hi-res textures
new weapon effects (get rid of the 2d explosions that overlap weirdly with walls and all)
higher quality sound
nicer models, wouldn't even matter if you reduced the number of them
new effects - blur etc..
slight brush-ups on the maps, some stuff just looks ugly

but customizable enough to still make it look like 1999 if you wish!

Oh man if they changed the rocket explosion I'd spray cum everywhere. I'm tired of leaning IRL to try to look around a big fucking rocket explosion sprite that blocks vision of everything.

Yes it would matter if you reduced the number of them, noobs love variety of characters.
Oh and 3D explosions? I hope they aren't like the ones in Q2.
I love the explosions used in Wolfcam videos where all the sparks fly up the hair, it gives them a sense of dept.

H A T S
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CPMA Live confirmed

the purpose of ql2.0 is to make the game alive again, not to overkill it, so it will be played by 28 players

quake 3 / ql from an outsider pov, a moba gamer lets say, will be the same game as i think LoL / Dota are the same shit. The main difference is that LoL and Dota are yet two of the most played games whereas quake gamers are like 0.0001 % of world's gamer population. Any argument saying 17 players or whatever is merely bullshit cos QL isn't played by many more if you put it in perspective.

don't understand the hate towards any quakish game, they are all awesome imho, if they haven't succeed yet is because ID isn't really interested or they just suck donkey balls.

considering what you just wrote:

if ql2.0 is cpmish/pqlish, then no new players are interested in it[as it is now] + lots of ppl who play atm dont give a fuck about it and quit :-)

I'm pretty sure many players would enjoy it, however i dont want another copy paste FFS, i want a new game, with new graphics, new maps, and proper esport platform with matchmaking, elo, leagues, tutorials, etc... good marketing campaign and what not.

stop being a lowlife troll because i dont care whether people play warsow, cpm, ql, qw or whatever deathmatch game there is, in my eyes QL was not a success either.

Lets speculate a bit:

I think a "2.0" release doesn't necessarily mean a new game, even a huge patch, as it still is QL after all What it does is a marketing campaign that attracts new and old blood to the game - a 2.0 title hypes the game quite a lot -, plus some much needed additions and integrating features from GS scripts and from other community efforts.

Another aspect that I expect to be changed is the (weird) business model; doomguy with a cowboy hat, a 'harosh' taunt and a pink lg beam. Not entirely sure on this one though, but I am on what's on the first paragraph.

Players will leave with the standalone release, at least 5%, not with a game improvement that will not be much different from what it is today.

no. they wont. cpm/pql means even more noob stomping than vql

there wont be new game, i predict some minor engine updates and change of buisness model.

OR

"q4 with port's mod live"

If we want quake to be bigger, graphics are important.
2 sides to this :

1. With all graphics turned on it would have to look like its a new game in term of graphics . Looks attract attention, it just is this way, can not deny this, dumb or not. If a medium pc can not get 700 fps anymore, well too bad. But it attracts more attention, and isnt this what we really want? If we dont like it, too bad, we just have to if we want bigger community.

2. Graphics customizable only by in game choices, beeing able to turn graphics down to a point where the pro`s are "satisfied" , yet the game still holds some decent graphics. Shadows etc in map goes from realtime to fixed positions, much like shadows in quake1(not too dark,doh). If its the same for everyone it doesnt matter if that "theory" states that you might be 0.000001% more efficient in quake if the graphics had been turned even more off.

I still think quake1 has the best graphics , it just looks better then quakelive. We should compare graphics when its all been turned down, there is nothing wrong with having nice surroundings to jump around in , even tho you wanna be a pro.

Now i beleive quake1 has the best graphics because of the maps and how the shadows are beeing displayed combined with the less cartoony style.

But this is my opinion as objective as i can be . Just depends on how objective the community can be and not rage because "that wasnt how I wanted it to look, because ive been playing quake for 15 years and still want it to look the same"

Looks sells, it really is not hard to acknowledge !

Now to satisfy config tweakers and our new "customers" , well that sounds time consuming and expensive. Not something id would afford i reckon. Which means, oh no , someone would get upset that the game was not made as you would like it to, too bad.

Do you want a bigger/better community , or do you yourself want to be 100% satisfied with the game? These are the choices we face now , and i can not see, from a business perspective that everyone would be satisfied with whatever comes next.
Quake is a low profit game, doh .

And dont bring that "he or she modder did this for free, why cant id?" , dude its business, not a charity . Maybe they should ask the community for charity workers and see how they react, not great i would think.

hire modders and students to do it for free? :P

hahaha :D

well i would reckon the reality of that would be fairly complicated.
Just the time and effort it would take to quality control theyr work .
Also trying to force modders/students to do a specific work to a specific time is not really that easy.

Modders do great free stuff, because its on theyr own terms, they want to do it, and do it when they would like to .

Students do it because they "have to" because its "school" .

Ofcourse there are some gems out there , but finding them is not always that easy .

I guess best way would be for the modders themselves showcase some work done and send an email to id , asking if they could do some work for them, for a tiny amount of money .

But all of this moves into the "unprofessional" ideaoliigy which i would think no company would really like to do , because its considered "risky" . But ofcourse successfull if done properly, but requires some unique skills .

To be honest... Businesses make musicians work for free a lot. "It's great exposure..."

I think the subscription idea is broken. I miss q3a's weapon damages. It would make more sense if they hosted servers for people with features such as allowing mods from 1.32/1.16n, allowing custom maps, providing up to date bot protection, annual graphics updates, while maintaining the community aspects that are done already. Then do some more monetizing by creating mods that encourage people to buy stuff in a store to accessorize their quake 3 experience (think team fortress 2), and create new mods/maps that are only allowed on servers that have bought them. Another farfetched idea is to create an interconnected world like a rpg.

I remember playing quake 3 with crappy graphics in order to get 125 fps. The physics cannot be beat and that is the games strongest point. If it loses that it loses its soul.

True, once you go quake physics everything else looks... I don't know how to describe, less good in every aspect.

For example, one evening i bough both portal 1 and 2 on steam, was bored, played couple of levels and was *massively* annoyed by the fact i couldn't strafe as fast as i usually can in quake trough the map. Then went on youtube to see if strafe is possible in portal, and LOLD my ass of after watching that retarded movement you need to do to gain some extra ~10% speed...

Bring back GIBS and BLOOD for newbs and spectating. Make the 'fatalities' a part of the game again in a big way. Like if you use the gaunt, it should be a punch to the throat with the buzzsaw and their head should pop off and shoot blood everywhere. This has to happen, the lack of blood in QL sucks balls. QL doesn't feel like quake because of this/

Make a training mode in duel that has a voice and arrows telling the player what he should be doing (just basic strategy-wise). Like "fight for the RA in 10 secs" and have an arrow guide them there. Or something like that.

Make a traning mode for jumps and movement in the maps that is more helpful to newbs than defrag ever was. Like maybe have paths drawn out to show the curvature of the jump or something like that. Some sort of useful feedback that would make movement easier for newbs.

I always looked at qz/ql as an experiment by id, I think they even said that early on they would learn from this project and implement it in the next quake release maybe the thought process changed when they had more people take interest than expected with server queues at the start. Maybe they saw that as quake not needing a major triple A release for success. If QL2.0 can launch and they are prepared this time to keep the initial burst of players it could work out. Loadout is a good example people are always going to be willing to try new free games the difference is the free games who can hold onto those players so the initial release of a free game is very key and QL simply was not ready. The community also needs to be prepared for QL 2.0 launch, with tournaments (for the love of god not just duel,team pick up tournaments like jehar ran with freeze give people an actual reason to form a team) and fun things for new players, and not acting like complete barbarians to someone new. I also think CA should be separated in someway possibly unranked like insta its ok to play CA but it shouldn't be the only thing you play in Quake as it a shell of Quake. So if you want the stats play the other game types.

any actual news on what features will be included?

is this true or just an urban legend?

Yes. It is true, or just an urban legend.

thanks obama

i lol'd

O'bama!

We here at ESR are ready and willing to go on a put Scala on a hungerstrike until you meet our demands.

its true urban legend

Not even the developers take it seriously.

I will never really stop playing Quake although I am done with 3-5 hours nearly every night....

I like to play populated games that are easy to get scrims etc.....which is why I am playing CS:GO now


It's mind numbling boring but still fun to troll/stalk endless amounts of players

That's why

quake live is dead because its super crappy

yeah, but my "that's why" was a reference to scala asking somewhere else why everybody is dissing him.

^^ heff 2b mad

This is how ql 2.0 should look like!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tC8Pe5G83s

Syncerror pls let these guys help!

You will lose at least half the community since many people still have Pentium 3 and shits.

ps: I was kidding

if you're still rocking a p3 in 2014 not being able to play quake is the least of your problems. it's not about being wealthy or poor just having your priorities in order.

Of course, but even though I was just messing around, I really know people who play QL and don't even have a Core 2 Duo or even reached the Dual Core 64bits from AMD during that generation I forgot the code names, anyway I think once a week I still see people saying they can't play on certain maps then they want to vote for another map hehe. Ofc the maps are not optimized (because my old i5 @3ghz - HD 5870 - 8gb DDR3 had 200-250fps sometimes) so it's not 100% on the user side. Anyway

It's because some QL code is still very CPU dependent when it should have been shifted onto the GPU.

ioquake3 did it (as did warsow very recently for a lot of their shaders), but id can't use the ioquake3 code (GPL) , and don't really have the resources to rewrite the render engine themselves unless they can arguably say it will have a positive effect on the projects income. atm it's 'good enough'

Good to know, thanks for clearing this up.

id software should cooperate with warsow coders to upgrade QL renderer. I'm sure id would get a discount ;)

[+]

I am playing quake on a laptop with most maps 125fps and then Asylum is like 40fps. I never play it.

What's your specs?

A laptop, it's black and has 3 usb ports.

EDIT: forgot to mention the paint from the 's' key is a little worn off.

Dude I have the same laptop, cheers o/

:')

i5-2430M, Fata1ty brand anti-ionizing Gaming helmet, 4GB RAM, and some HD3000 integrated graphics chip

I have 2x2 GB DDR3 for laptops getting dust (ofc in a package), if you have 2 more slots give me 5€+shipping costs and it's yours, poor laptop xD.

That's a nice offer. I would have to check if my G570 has empty memory slots. But I might move soon and even get a new desktop altogether.

Ok, if you ever need them, just say it, gl moving out!

edit: they are DDR3 1333 from ASint http://i.imgur.com/IpnwwgL.jpg

not at all, because a lot of new people will start playing it, and if they make ql 2.0 better than ql or q3a, I think it would be more than worth buying a new pc! Though I would play it with picmip 6 :D
btw support Doom Arenas so they can make season 2 of amazing animated quake!

I tried to contact the guys who make it I forgot what I said months ago, or even more than a year ago, he never replied :(

:(((((((((((((

5 months later...yawn

Of course all id did was make an exe of the webpage layout and call it a big update. Fucking morons.

lel feget

they moved the webpage to exe because mozila stopped supporting the plugin, it has nothing to do with the big update or 2.0 idiot

Except not a single browser stopped supporting plugins and the move to standalone Windows exe with a built-in browser was dictated simply by lack of resources to support variety of browsers and operating systems. Idiot.

but the first thing syncerror himself said when they announced standalon was because firefox and google are PLANNING to turn it off. Just because they havn't yet doesn't mean they won't idiot

they lied.... duh

welcome to business talk 2.0 where everything said by a developer is meant to mean one thing towards investors and another for customers...

eh. it's hard to tell with these things. I mean it would be a major fuckup if quake live stopped working on newer chrome or firefox and would take months to create a standalone like they did. That's why companies usually plan ahead for those sorts of things. also you forgot to call me idiot... idiot

IDIOT

happy?

True but noone forced them offline. They know it works now. When companies like mozilla stop supporting the plugin, they can revert. It's not like mozilla is going to do it without prior warning. This was all just an excuse to minimize their workload while they work on ql 2.0.

http://blog.chromium.org/2013/09/saying-goodb...npapi.html

https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2013/...n-firefox/

Disabled by default is not a good way to ship a game.
There was (is?) much talk of browsers phasing NPAPI out all together too, chrome is apparently moving to PPAPI instead.

Well if it is confirmed thats awesome!

I just really hope that if we DO end up having to pay monthly again that atleast for ranked duel games you keep all the terrible maps out that nobody wants to duel on... like seriously.....

just keep the standard competitive tournament maps in the ranked duel servers for free users so that they can atleast play quake duel on the good maps they are use to and if they want to be able to spawn servers or make clans etc whatever then they can buy premium if they choose to.. but you shouldnt be basically denying people quake by putting literally ONE good competitive duel map in the free monthly pool that almost never gets put up on the map vote at the end of a game and when it does its only played once then you have to sit through a ton more shit maps forever.....

quake never was a pay monthly game so if you guys are going to do that then atleast give the free users their fucking maps to play on without all the other premium benefits

q4.1 redux + grapple hook for ctf and make it available on steam

i'd return for that

give us another q3 remake? no thanks, i'll play something else.

Like delta ctf?

Coincidentally, syncerror was a part of that team (that just like QL didn't meet expectations Koopa)

never played delta :<

id also like to see air control, flag passing, and possibly a grenade for gren qwtf style jumps.

safe to assume that delta didn't include any of those things, right?

i would also comeback for a qw clone.
yaya, fat chance, i know

I would comeback for a doom1/doom2 revival in the form of officially releasing brutal doom with already included current engine and assets (models, etc. etc.), making it more accessible than what it is now and properly advertising the game.

No "official" servers though, just the good old everyone can upload servers, access to all official and custom content (mod support included) and 100% freedom to play once having access to the game. I don't care if it is one payment, free or freemium as long as the experience isn't limited and/or a pain in the ass.

or of uranus.

i heard a rumor that ql2.0 will come with cheats for everyone

Doesn't it already?

not for everyone

Is 2.0 UT2014?

Yes, id can learn something from this:

https://www.unrealengine.com/blog/the-future-...gins-today

So are they aiming to pay for servers via advertising? via selling the U4 engine licences ? or avoiding having to pay for servers at all by using p2p servers? uggh....

id isn't trying to sell idtech3 so that's not valid for QL anyway.

They don't plan to pay for servers. Heck even call of duty's don't do that.

So far it's the good old the community uploads servers without needing authorization from the company, which ensures way more freedom for players, that all world locations are covered, LAN support and in the end a better user experience.

Also it's not like id pays for all server locations, with sub money. That has been discussed here before, long story short in the US that's the case but the rest not by any means, with local communities having to face huge burdens in order to be authorized to upload servers and even then pay for them.

I don't know why id went for that choice. No one does it and in the already dying Q3 there were no lack of quality servers issues.

take me back to 2002 during the OSP days when it took skill to be good with LG and rockets ....


also going to qcon and doing cocaine by chance with hollingshead in his suite.....


oh the days

Quake Live 2.0 is a dream.

"On thegdstudio #55 James was talking about a small team working on a quake game at id software (or zenimax, bethesda w/e the orga structure is). Has anyone got any information or confirmation on this at all?"

source: http://www.reborn.gg/threads/43-Competitive-d...born/page2

wat?

He mentioned something about it a while back too. Good news if its true.

If Doom 4 has fun MP and this Quake project is real then we could have Doom, Quake and Unreal Tournament multiplayer all around the same time along with Reflex, Nex, Reborn, Rekt, Telos and all the other projects that have cropped up.

Carmack said Doom 4 was developed with huge pain.

imo is possible that there is no MP for Doom 4.

Yep, I'm just being optimistic.

Not only him said that, so it's sad.

This guy who was shitting on id (ex employee) said DooM 4 MP was made by other company?

oh yeah, good memory

http://www.esreality.com/post/2595760/doom-4-mp-contracted-out/

ah, yea, you are right.
Still could be rumors and MP can suck anyway :P

It will :D

you guys are bumming me out

polish white power ;p

If anyone smiles - punch him in the nuts and call him faggot \o/

Yeah it's interesting.

It would be like the arena shooter renaissance.

arousing

True FPS are way too good to die, and quake is the best of the best as far as FPS games go.

If I ever became filthy rich, I'd like to buy the franchise, give it the overhaul it needs and then set up some free tourneys worldwide that would conclude in a big event in like vegas for major prize money, major enough to attract every gamer who think they are the best. Because gaming is about the competition, and the best platform for competing in video games is Quake IMO.

Who knows, maybe there is an old Q3 player out there worth a few hundred million $'s that could do something like this right now?

Edit- not to say Quake would be worth hundreds of millions, maybe more like 10 or 20 mil. But I'm just saying if they have $100's of millions they wouldn't be hurting if the whole shit hits the fan.