cue hordes of angry quakers wanting blood

lmao

no

No it wouldn't. Why would you stop spamming common attack routes because you won't hear the hit sound, you still hit and put them off from attacking (Ok it might at first due to the change in there no longer being hitsounds but in the long run no)

Hmm true, but it would mean that you weren't 100% sure. I saw czm on ztn for example spam 4 grenades in 4 directions and when he got the hitsound he knew which way the other guy was coming from due to the timing / explosions of the others.

link to demo please

Determining enemy position like that is very flaky. The dude could have accidentally bumped into the last nade fired before the first exploded on its own.

not at this stage certainly not

any player with half a brain knows where the enemy is nearly all the time :)

He got raged at my spam on ztn :(

o rly ;)

I SEE YOU THROUGH WALLS BITCH

improving OSP would (only) be:
-MVD
-MVGTV
-Picture-in-Picture

fuck the rest!
leave the spawns like they were, leave the jumpheight,...

(i'm not quite sure if the improved CPMA netcode improves or actually hurts the game)

online you could say it's a bit evil when it comes to shaft

but lan it doesn't matter really

we need to get some games!

CPMA shaft is different?

just the improved netcode, so you hit much better :)

well its took my game from 30% to 40%, before i have even reached consistant aim again :)

That was more likely just me being shit mate

:P its still true not just you

without sounding like a ego filled cunt, i do have decent shaft when 'on form' ¦]

I don't understand how the shaft can be that different, when the improved netcode doesn't even affect it. If it did, you wouldn't have the wet noodle effect, it would be completely gone.

I guess it could just be down to cpma's gameplay: people following more predictable paths, less face to face "let's dance" shaft battles; those kinds of things could increase the accuracy. I'm not sure how different the firerate is in cpma either.

the netcode is far improved, playing on ping 20 feels like LAN, you hit a lot more than what you do in osp.

Actually the lower your ping the less you feel the affect of the cpm netcode (grant 40ms in cpm is waaay better than 40ms in vq3) but its not untill you get to 80-100 you start to feel the real magic :)

You have cg_truelightning 0 and that's why it's all noodle I think. Also according to the techsheet of CPM it says LG fires every 66 ms and that makes it 1000/66=15,15 shots per second but I don't know if it's different to VQ3 mode.

its like playing ping 80 in osp, then dropping to 40 if you like

im talking about CPMA in general, not just CPMA VQ3

Yeah but if it was antilagged then surely there'd be no noodle effect? It would just hit exactly where you crosshair is, all the time - that's my idea of good netcode.

If you're talking about other stuff then yeah, it's definately an improvement over osp; it's just strange when people say it upped their shaft accuracy, when afaik there's no antilag acting on it.

As I answered before there is no noodle if you set cg_truelightning 1 and people can still shaft that 40% on reasonable pings, that is less than 130 ms imo.

Yeah but i ignored that comment since truelightning is just an animation effect, even it's being drawn straight, it's not actually straight. Even with truelightning 1, your shaft is still noodling.

My guess is that the noodle effect is id code drawing it wrong (like rail) but it still hits where the crosshair is. I tested cg_truelightning 0 yesterday and I couldn't hit shit when I tried to aim with the beam so I reverted to 1 and voila I could shaft again.

CPMA is not antilagged. It removed the 50ms extra snap that OSP/Baseq3 wait for.

Right, and that's why people are saying they're more accurate with the lg?

They say they are better with the LG because the netcode is just simply better.

But that doesn't make sense to me, unless it's antilagged - otherwise it'd just have the same behavior.

???????????????????

It's just an improved netcode which isn't antilagged. It's still the same concept as id/OSP netcode as far as I know however the added 50ms (As ix mentioned) has been removed and further optimisations have been made.

The rail is antilagged though.

Anyway, my point is just that when i played cpma, the shaft still lagged considerably behind when i moved my mouse fast, so to me the antilag/netcode isn't exactly perfect. Also, people can still teleport around maps if their connection is dodgy.

"The rail is antilagged though."

No, it's not. Please stop spreading this myth.

Where do these people get this antilagged crap from anyway?

Obviously it just shows how good CPMA netcode is if they think it's antilagged.

I'm pretty sure the rail is antilagged. Still being able to point and click with 100 ping when someone's traversing the map at 700ups was conclusive for me.

Also, i have a shit blueyonder connection, where my ping spikes up to 300 from time to time, i was still able to hit rails without predicting at all. I don't see how that could be down to better netcode, unless by that you mean antilag.

ix-ir is part of the CPMA dev team. If he says it isn't, it isn't :)

cg_lagHax <value> (default = -1)
A combination of adaptive prediction and an updated version of the famous "50ms hack" we introduced way back in 99v6 that also does small amounts of lag compensation.

Capped at 100ms no matter what: this is intended solely to make European / EastUS v WestUS / etc games a bit less of a hassle, not to hack dialup players into aimgods at the expense of everyone else. 0 disables it, -1 means "as much as I'm allowed": it's naturally adaptive. You'll lose some of your "feel" for lag, which messes up your RL aim, etc. This doesn't suffer from the CS/etc problems of "total BS" shots that piss everyone off; it's not trying to be some panacea for modemers; and I'm honest enough to call it the hack that it is instead of pretending that it magically makes lag suddenly not exist, but all in all it's a pretty nice end result. If you use this, any form of nudging will generally make you LESS accurate if your ping's under 100ms, because it'll screw up the adaptive calcs.

Smells like antilag to me!

What that means is that CPM uses adaptive timenudging of the displayed enemy position. Anti-lagged, as in mods like Anti-lag means that the server accepts it when the client tells it a hit was scored and winds time back to register that hit giving you effects like lagged knockback when you're LPB. CPMA does not do this.

To me, antilag means stuff going where you crosshair is, even if your ping should mean otherwise. But ok, i'll call it adaptive timenudge from now on.

<insert obligatory shaft quip>

The fixed physics are fine but the new spawn system is fucking terrible.

true

100% agree with impulse

If arQon had continued to work and support OSP then it would be exactly the same now as CPM VQ3? Do you not see that?

add projecticles through teleports+grenade bounce on pads and i'm happy :)

CHANGE IS BAD

LOS is probably a bad idea. PVS is definitely a good one, and I'll put it to the CPMA Design Team, thanks. :)

Good luck getting so much as a color change into VQ3 though, let alone something like this.

Whats PVS?

Potentially Visible Set

isn't PVS partially implemented already?

It's in pro sound I think (At least it seemed to be on the demo showing sound arQon sent me)

if you're walking into 'common' spam on ztn, you're not playing the map very well or you're just really unlucky :)

hm that depends... for example, that corner where theres the teleport exit into the corridor leading to ra... ppl always spam nades there and it doesnt take a lack of luck to just run around the corner and catch one right in the face since the passage is so narrow.
(im assuming u catch it before it bounces - that isnt bad luck, it just happens)

I rarely get hit by grenades on ztn and if I do it's minor splash which only causes me to think fast and either continue or retreat and plan a new path/attack as I now know my opponenet knows where I am.

ur pretty leet then innit.

No I suck :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

uh good morning :)

haha 38minutes young :))

PVS?

http://www.byte.com/abrash/chapters/gpbb64.pdf

ofc it's stupid, but it's never going to change

Go the other way, add through-teleport firing like in Q4 :P

i would actually like it, but it would probably be too much change for q3 atm! maby for cpm since they change gameplay for every release!

thanks.

Hey, if you improve vq3 then its not VANILLA q3? HAHA?!

you can get carte d'or vanilla and tesco value vanilla :(

:((

I want new maps. Don't care how good q3 is the vanilla maps have been played to shit.
Without new maps q3 will just become the new PK.
If you're going to revive something then do it justice or let the fkin thing RIP.

with all due respect, i agree with u jam, but i think its the communitys job to come up with new maps ;(
i mean we got what we wanted now if WE want something MORE its up to us to put it together

but seriously, fuck WoW, it has absolutely destroyed the fps community, nobodys playing anymore :(

Just remove the SG spawn on dm6 :P

agreed :)

Yeah both of them :) (Yes you can get low SG now)

Although that spawn is kind of important in TDM :x

Some interesting responses and i think Jamerio brought up a good one with new maps. To which i say "absolutly". If you remove all the maps that are currently played and try and get 5 good new ones. The one's i'm talking about removing for duel are dm6 / ztn / hub and replace them with 5 others, then you get back to the stages where things are new and it's the raw talent of the players learning the new maps and the move and jumps, rather than the same old repetative bs, but as also mentioned by the hardcore OSP players this will never happen. Q3 by community veto is doomed to stagnation, which is one thing good for the cpma community, they actually look to change things for the better.

New and fresh is good but so is old and worn. You get an exciting game out of both. Maps should only be replaced when they are totally broken and or just not up to a competitive quality (e.g. all of Quake4's).

If you keep on replacing old maps with new maps you never get to see the skill on each map get past a certain point which is sad to be honest.

New maps for the sake of new maps is like Quake 4 becuase it's new.

Also you can't just dump all the maps at once anyway. You need to bring them in one at a time and gradually.

Otherwise you get mediocre games on all maps. If you bring in say one new map you get a lot of high quality matches and the players who learnt the new map get rewarded as they have an advantage.

"but as also mentioned by the hardcore OSP players this will never happen. Q3 by community veto is doomed to stagnation,"

I think I'll write a column on this topic, the OSP community has to learn to accept some change (which is not to pretend that all changes are correct) or it will be a still-born pheonix.

Well the spawn change is bad ! :)
Physics change = good! :)