ESR - ESR Interviews arQon

<< Comment #2 @ 13:16 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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TosspoT

Whilst I dont enjoy promode, this guy is a god. He works tirelessly for his community and deserves unlimited amounts of credit. Oh and if you say something he dosent like, he puts you in your place.
My dream is that for Quakewars and RTCW2, Bani(etpro) will meet arQon they'll go and live in a house eating nothing but gingerbread men and make those two games the greatest ever!
Good Interview, Great guy!

Edited by TosspoT at 13:18 CDT, 14 August 2006

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<< Comment #60 @ 14:17 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #2

I guess that says a lot about the ESR community then when he was voted one of the most unpopular, even beating that c*nt Jamerio.

Edited by Jamerio at 14:21 CDT, 14 August 2006

<< Comment #69 @ 14:37 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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TosspoT - Reply to #60

I dont follow :(

<< Comment #76 @ 14:46 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #69

Well there was a poll a while ago to name the most unpopular user and arqon came second.
So either you're wrong, or the people voting don't know what's good for them and are indeed idiots:)

Edited by Jamerio at 14:51 CDT, 14 August 2006

<< Comment #87 @ 14:54 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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TosspoT - Reply to #76

Its all in the spin

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HolyFather - Reply to #87

(c) bob dylan

<< Comment #108 @ 15:17 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Bob - Reply to #76

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<< Comment #127 @ 15:25 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #108

Kdawg ofc :)

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Bob - Reply to #127

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Edited by Bob at 18:59 CDT, 27 June 2024

<< Comment #110 @ 15:18 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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endi - Reply to #76

u claiming esr'ers ain't tards?

<< Comment #172 @ 16:03 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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becks - Reply to #76

would be interesting to have a "most liked person" poll with him on it. Cause there might actually be quite a few perople voting for him, besides the obvious choices.

<< Comment #617 @ 17:54 CDT, 5 October 2006 >>

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HolyFather - Reply to #172

SUJOY \o/

<< Comment #270 @ 19:55 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Drexciyian - Reply to #60

But the difference between you and arQ is he knows what he's talking about so has every right to be a cunt, unlike yourself :D

<< Comment #310 @ 21:19 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #270

Arqon minions are so funny it's uncanny :)

<< Comment #71 @ 14:39 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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niko - Reply to #2

agree :)
promode and q4max suck, for my taste, comparing to osp and xbm...
but hat down to anyone who works for quake community, especialy with such dedication and for free....

btw
it's not fair to espect from arquon to make cpma closer to osp just becouse osp is dead in developement...

maybe all of us osp-like guys should find someone or geather a team to make a new patch based od 1.03a.....
now there's an idea,.

i would work on something like that if i knew anything on modding and programing.......

<< Comment #492 @ 05:43 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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H0PE - Reply to #71

osp=Arqon
promode and q4max = Arqon

They dediced to drop osp I guess because they reallyzed what is competitive means... and thats promode.

I don't think too many people play osp anymore so you should give another try to promode or q4max. Or you stay in the past. :)

<< Comment #512 @ 16:53 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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niko - Reply to #492

well actualy i have 4 q3 servers..
i gave it a try with cpma,.. noone wanted to play it and osp servers are always full...
everyone i've asked said "i don't like it, it sux..."

hm.. didn' tknow that arquon was in osp by now.. tnx....
i remembered osp as a Rhea's job, it seems 2 guys that did promode were members of osp programming team (wich was top;))

Lead Design/Programming:
Jason "Rhea" Keimig (rhea@OrangeSmoothie.org)

Additional programming:
Kevin "arQon" Blenkinsopp (arqon@promode.org)
Sander "Dessignator" Brandenburg (dessignator@OrangeSmoothie.org)
Harvey "]R[Papa" Morris (papa@reactivesoftware.com)
Jens "Khaile" Bergensten (khaile@www.com)
Michael "PhaNToM" Billing (phantom@promode.org)
rest of the CPM staff

"who's playing osp"

just about everyone,.. look at the nubmer of osp servers and basic mod for ClanBase/Kuh3/ESL.. CB is using OSP for all types 1v1/2v2/TDM....

Edited by niko at 07:31 CDT, 17 August 2006

<< Comment #242 @ 18:14 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Nuked User - Reply to #2

* N U K E D *

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<< Comment #245 @ 18:23 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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sonic - Reply to #242

Least someone knows what he/she is talking 'bout.

<< Comment #250 @ 18:38 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Kradenko - Reply to #245

arQon is a terrorist suicide bombing quake games one at a time.

He is allah as well, PRAISE HIM OR DIE.

<< Comment #301 @ 20:43 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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marshmallow - Reply to #242

I <3 YOU.

<< Comment #305 @ 21:00 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #242

Sounds like someone is disappointed his proposed changes didn't make it... back in fucking 1999 or whenever...

Way to hold a grudge.

<< Comment #307 @ 21:14 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Kradenko - Reply to #305

More disappointed that people don't see how things really are with arQ, but thats ok.

To make it up to you Massman, I'm going to come to your house tonight and paint your car whatever color I want. I mean hell, no one else is out there spending their precious time, and the way I see it what you drive looks like a piece of shit. So no worries, I will make it better for you, cause I'm actually a car artist in disguise. However working on car's doesn't pay me enough money, so I have no relevant experience and general contempt for other mechanics- but it should work out ok!

And if it doesn't, fuck you, I'm gonna shove it down your throat cause I have a gaping hole where my self-esteem should be.

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Edited by Kradenko at 21:16 CDT, 14 August 2006

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rolf - Reply to #307

Sif he got a car.

<< Comment #338 @ 23:12 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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marshmallow - Reply to #332

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Exact arQon.

<< Comment #339 @ 23:13 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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rolf - Reply to #338

?

<< Comment #341 @ 23:22 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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marshmallow - Reply to #339

'imitation' i suppose

<< Comment #335 @ 22:46 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #307

Thanks for the generous offer.

As there are no other paint-shops (the guy who painted my car 3 years ago went out of business) I would like to see your work, before writing you off as an ignorant idiot whose sole purpose in life is making my very interesting life miserable. After you have altered my car I will try not to dismiss it instantly without a proper testdrive. Who knows, I might like it.

I look forward to your swift reply.

<< Comment #382 @ 07:50 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Kradenko - Reply to #335

Sure thing, gonna be pink poka-dots. Pink polka dots are obviously the best in the world, I expect no arguments or input from you whatsoever.

My analogy was out there, but your attempt to diffuse it was even worse. OSP in its present state is fine, its stable, has numerous options, and does not need developing (for q3).

For q4, arqon wasn't even close to the only paintguy in town, and the game REALLY NEEDED fighting over mods and slight alterations to help its development. Of course if he was the least bit reasonable, the least bit sympathetic TO THE AVERAGE GAMER he would have seen the spirit of colaboration needed to help the small community. But, of course, its his way or the high way.

It just fucking amazes me how people even think to defend him. OMG HE SPENDS HIS FREE TIME HE MUST BE BENEVOLENT. Morons =/

<< Comment #393 @ 10:30 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #382

Altho no-one is forcing you to play cpma, why settle for something that's just "fine" when you can get something way better?

And tbh I'm starting to see the reasons why your cpma input was ignored when you are obviously incapable of arguing without using excessive amount of profanity. But at least it gets you [+] and online rescepta from the "omg arq sux" posse.

Whatever... Don't play cpma, stick to osp.

<< Comment #440 @ 15:53 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Kradenko - Reply to #393

Whats hilarious is that while my posts are littered with insults, it is yours that contain absolutely no substance.

The point is not solely that cpma sucks (it does btw), nor that only trash played it (which is also true). The point is, by virtue of elimination, this man has positioned himself to dictate the online play of games he had no business developing.

I don't care about CPMA, I care when a grown, visibly disturbed man is forcing his style on a community of relative children by virtue of the fact that they are in school/don't have the programming background to do it themselves. Then, because he is in such a unique position, he can dictate the schedule of such relases (note the early q4 cpl events and the mod bullshit- if you want a history lesson ask some people who went, since you are so involved and in-tune with the community yourself). CPMA was optional, and he used that position and fringe support to make his quake4 work NOT OPTIONAL. (see where this leads?)

Pardon me but I just don't like the idea of a non-receptive, overly arrogant, angsty man who never was decent at playing games and who cares little for the community as a whole putting out his 'modifications' to other people's games. He is doing nothing but padding his ego and dabbling in the gaming field which he has no balls to enter into as a professional, and thus has no accountability. So when the next game comes along and all the 16-24 year olds are playing in there free time and studying, arQon will be alone in his basement, playing game developer and changing shit he shouldn't change, and because he is a professional software developer of some sort can go to LANs and leagues and offer his services.

Doesn't seem so optional, or good for the game to me. Now read that a few times Mass, glean the points from it, and then see if you still wonder why I get so upset over this. And take my PM advice, stay out of shit you have no grasp on, thanks.

<< Comment #444 @ 16:05 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #440

blahblahblah...

Who forces you to play cpma instead of osp/ra3/whatever?

<< Comment #451 @ 16:57 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #444

The fact that his anus has overtaken over his cognitive functions.

<< Comment #455 @ 18:24 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Liam - Reply to #440

Are you calling him disturbed when you just admitted to getting upset over someone changing rules in a mod you don't play, in a MOD, A MOD, FOR A GAME, A COMPUTER GAME.

I do not get what the fuck is wrong with you idiots, get over it, it's his mod, or he runs it, whatever... I can't believe you're actually calling him a sad fucker (I'm referring to the basement thing, brilliant by the way) when you're making massive posts about shit that doesn't really concern you, you're blaming him for making the mod instead of people for using it, this is the equivilent of Jack Thompson trying to ban video games. Giant, giant idiot.

<< Comment #493 @ 05:54 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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H0PE - Reply to #440

Kradenko I can understand your point of view and in a way I think I agree with you. But only taking your post in account. Hes attitude seems off I agree. :P

From another point of view where you would agree that Arqon spends his time studying the game, the phisics and what people say I think he has much higher perspective views about things how should be done what would be "globally" the best option here and there, etc. So it's about trust really whether you trust his experience and leave it to him... At the end believe me if he is wrong the average gamer will say they don't like it and thats it.

Edited by H0PE at 05:55 CDT, 16 August 2006

<< Comment #348 @ 00:56 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #242

Why should arQ care about amounts? He's got his following in the CPM players, why the hell should he be bothered what a bunch of OSP folk think. I doubt he would spend lots of time on something he didn't enjoy. You don't seem to 'dislike' CPM, or find it fine and but just not your thing, and don't play it, but you seem to fucking HATE it? Where did this come from? IMO, even if it does have a niche following, I find CPM to be the best FPS released ever.

Sure, arQon can be really vocal and sometimes an irritating bastard, but talk is only so much, talk, and can easily be overlooked when I play CPM for a bit.

Keep working hard for the community, you successfuly took all the non-factors out of vq3 and did a bang up job ensuring quake4 was headed absolutely nowhere.

Mind explaining this to us uninformed peasant folk? 'Cause I don't know what you're referring to.

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<< Comment #352 @ 01:04 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #348

uhm, would you tell a troll when he stands on you? Why even bother reply?

<< Comment #443 @ 15:59 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Kradenko - Reply to #352

You both bring up such interesting points. Here, let me sum them up by rephrasing your posts as a sheep would type them:

"baaaah. baaaah, baaaaaaaaAAAHH!"

<< Comment #449 @ 16:50 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #443

You also bring up some interesting points. Let me sum those up as well:

le poop

Edited by Yeltsin at 20:33 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Kradenko - Reply to #449

I would expect nothing more from you than a pile of shit. That you added sprinkles is truly a surprise and a good sign of things to come.

Edit: props to the mod deleting my post. Apparently you can't fling insults if you're not in with the ESR staff. But if you are, bombs away!

I got $10 arQ complained himself ;)

Edited by Kradenko at 19:48 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #460

"I would expect nothing more from you than a pile of shit."
Oh so you suddenly pretend to be a retard and don't understand the meaning of your own sentence "let me some up your points"? How pathetic. You've been nothing but trolling and shitting here, and nuked comment is the best example of utterly pointless stream of insults. Now you've earned a probation.

<< Comment #475 @ 21:37 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Kradenko - Reply to #466

Shut up, I digested your grammar and clever quote, I just thought it pertinent to point out that the best you could offer was a picture of a pile of shit! Certainly you out-contributed myself :)

It was nuked because esr has been this way since way before it was esr and decent (non-biased) people ran it. If the admins agree with you, you can type or post whatever pictures you want. If they don't, see above. I don't lose any sleep over it.

This is the same shit (arq, not you trifling esr goombas) that happened when the CPL first came and Makaveli and others kept screaming how bad Angel was, and now how many years later the CPL choked out gaming with its PK stunt, sold out, and player run leagues like the GGL spring up struggling to try and get a foothold back on their community, to make the tournaments about the gamers and the games THEY liked. It's gonna be the same with arQ, he's not aiming to be an optional part of anything, he wants control.

If any of you had been around back then dealing with him, or been seriously into the scene, or even really dealt with him now (dealt in terms of the 'work' he does, not interviews), you may still disagree but you would be 10000% more receptive. As it is you are too clueless to see what's going to happen.

I am impressed about your ability to engage in the subject matter though. I assume all you people (mainly admins) who lacked any content or even a witty, tangential reply to my antics were unable to produce cause of your complete ignorance and current status as non-factors.

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<< Comment #502 @ 07:21 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #475

Nice troll, nice. Now run along, noone is going to bite.

<< Comment #308 @ 21:14 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Demanufacturer - Reply to #2

arqon has no place in wolfenstein, shame on you!

<< Comment #619 @ 17:58 CDT, 5 October 2006 >>

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HolyFather - Reply to #308

(c) ... bush... -_-

<< Comment #618 @ 17:58 CDT, 5 October 2006 >>

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HolyFather - Reply to #2

hear hear. I hate CPMA for its physics, armor system and weapon switch, but I respect the underdog position (ok no dirty thoughts now) and it's good that he stands up for his opinion. Whether a skilled person has the right to be arrogant is another story ;)

We need more like him so we can choose which arrogant person makes the best mod hehe :)

<< Comment #3 @ 13:17 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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tom

yup

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #3

what?

<< Comment #5 @ 13:19 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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tom - Reply to #4

yep

<< Comment #6 @ 13:20 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #5

=(

<< Comment #7 @ 13:21 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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eri

Oh dear at that fragment

So in other words, a follow the leader herd mentality (like the promode 1 players who have just given up on fighting changes they didnt really want by now) is superior to criticism in arqon's mind.

How 1940's

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<< Comment #14 @ 13:30 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #7

hes above being a e-thug now, hes e-Stalin!

p.s. am > @ history

<< Comment #18 @ 13:33 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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brz - Reply to #14

you just blew my mind

<< Comment #20 @ 13:34 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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eri - Reply to #14

Other than that particular answer i actually liked the interview.

He just couldnt resist slipping in his obligatory "i am far superior to you vq3 playing peasants' line though. I would be ashamed to even give that answer personally.

And yes your history is ok ;-)

<< Comment #27 @ 13:43 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #20

reading it now, he makes sense mostly, but everything for him is a ego trip. guess when he stops being a quite computer geek irl, he wont have to make up for it online.

<< Comment #101 @ 15:11 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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demu - Reply to #20

But you're all the same. Remember when we played q4 and you whined at me for winning '+back and rail bg'? Lame.

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eri - Reply to #101

I'm pretty sure you mean someone else since i havent even had q4 installed for 4 months now

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demu - Reply to #199

It was when q4 was new and shiny. Mm!

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HolyFather - Reply to #373

now it's rusty and tainted and just as bad mm ^____^

<< Comment #68 @ 14:35 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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ix - Reply to #7

arQon's zero tolerance for bullshit and focus on correctness goes both ways, if he's wrong about something he moves on to what's right. There is no 'follow the herd' in CPM, if anything CPM is the anti-herd.

<< Comment #88 @ 14:54 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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eri - Reply to #68

I wasnt aware that he somehow received the power to deem an entire scene as being wrong

Must be nice to be able to declare yourself 'god' and still have people like you defending it =)

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<< Comment #105 @ 15:15 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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wipeout - Reply to #88

shut up and worship :(

<< Comment #273 @ 20:00 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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al-Muharib - Reply to #105

start asking questions :(

<< Comment #128 @ 15:25 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #88

I see what your saying, but this system where one very-clued in guy both in terms of programming and competative gameplay stubburnly sticks to his ideals is infinantly better than what you are implying is better - ie let every little feature be decided by opinion polls in which everyone (the vast majority of which have no idea or dont even care) can vote/have a say on. Seriously fuck that, not only would it slow the evolution process like crazy, we would end up playing a game based around something like CA or CS - the kind of shallow gameplay that the brain-dead masses prefer.

The only alternative is something like a commitee of people that are very clued in much like the CPL Quake commitee, and this is actually similar to the system cpma has with their design team.

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<< Comment #159 @ 15:51 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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spyteman - Reply to #128

spot on.

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eri - Reply to #128

I agree with that actually, but saying people are clueless dimwits is not the way to go about what you are suggesting

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benisooooor - Reply to #198

aren't they?

<< Comment #204 @ 16:46 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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eri - Reply to #201

They might very well be as far a large percentage is concerned, you still don't say that if you are even half as smart as arqon thinks he is.

<< Comment #222 @ 17:24 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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stoneeh - Reply to #128

nice [+] orgy
whats it about?

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al-Muharib - Reply to #222

plussterfuck

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al-Muharib - Reply to #274

i tried :/

<< Comment #214 @ 17:02 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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eri - Reply to #68

You're awfully quiet now mate, waiting for input from your great leader?

In case you didnt see the irony, your reply reeked of that very herd mentality i'm talking about

Sorry couldnt resist any longer

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ix - Reply to #214

Well I can't do more than laugh at you thinking I have a herd mentality or that I'm incapable of speaking for myself, you should realise that this is blatantly false. I don't agree with the way arQon is rude to people, that's not something that's within my power to control but he is generally correct on a lot of these issues.

Incidentally what are 'people like me'?

Edited by ix-ir at 17:24 CDT, 14 August 2006

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eri - Reply to #221

People in denial of cpm players having a herd mentality at this point in time, while its blatantly obvious most of you do from your comments. The him being right part is cute also, hes clearly "wrong" (outnumbered) when it comes to this. Hes only trying to enforce his own opinion upon all of us osp'ers.

Its a good thing you dont agree with him being rude though, no sane human being would.

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kmt - Reply to #230

he's clearly "wrong" (outnumbered)

fuck that's a brilliant sentence!

i used to be on the verge of being in the CPM herd, i had started to accept whatever trashy alterations were put into CPM simply because i had very few people that supported my opinions. but now that my opinions are mixing with the massive OSP crowd, it turns out they weren't so absurd, so out of line in the first place.

i whined and whined, and thought that he was so intent on proving he could have things his way, that things were a lost cause. but so easily everyone seems to forget the topic of the Q4MAX clock.

PLEASE CLICK ON THESE LINKS!
i come tiding proof that the Q3 messiah can and has been reduced to no more than a shameful puppet:

his heresy (skim over it, i'm sure you already know the gist of it)
Q4MAX counter debate (undebatable of course)

not long after the up-counting clock was implemented again, the topic was locked, and a huge amount of shoosh covered the scene, in an attempt to to cover up one of the biggest ego defeats in history. they did a pretty good job of it too.

i'm not entirely sure who ended up pulling arqon's strings, it was most likely the CPL, or the increasing amount of actual professional gamers who started to complain about it at the time. i rest my case in saying that we need not worry about the future of Q3 in arqon's hands, as it is ultimately in ours, and our strength in numbers. take his words with a grain of salt from now on, no does not mean no, and as soon as we start receiving feedback from people competing in the finals at CPL, we'll get whatever they deem as inappropriate changed.

<< Comment #267 @ 19:29 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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eri - Reply to #248

One hardly needs to be a self-proclaimed genius to see the fallacy in his timer argument, he has repeated over and over again q4max is a competition mod, even in this very interview, yet his reason at the time to not include the timer was that it wouldnt work for _publics_ (yes publics indeed, quite the competition there innit).

I'm quite confident that while i probably made a few unneeded statements overall regarding this newsitem ive also done a pretty damn good job at showing everyone who still didn't catch on by now how it really is. Even the most die hard cpm worshippers should at least see some light in my reasonings/ insults which arent quite insults.

And yes i know he will eventually succumb to the community pressure anyway, after all a hated saviour isnt much of a saviour at all , which would defy the entire reason hes in it for in the first place.

The only thing he forgets is that he is far from the only one capable of doing what he does, the community will just as easily cast him aside if someone else with equal or better coding ability steps up who does treat the people like human beings rather than idiots on legs.

I'm quite done with the bashing for today though, well continue tommorow =)

<< Comment #284 @ 20:16 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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MassMan - Reply to #267

Haven't really got the time or desire to scim your post and filter out the unnecessary insults. Could you (shortly) list your suggested changes for cpma?

<< Comment #320 @ 22:09 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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xero- ' - Reply to #267

Hypocracy at it's best, first you bitch about cpm players 'herd' mentality then all you wanks that prolly got raped like 40-0 get togeather have a massive circle jerk about how right each other are. Now tell me about this herd mentality when all you OSP/Q4 players are just all agreeing with each other, HOW does that make you right?
Because you all agree it's right? lol, take some logic classes.

next, lol!

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kmt - Reply to #320

sounds like you needed to reply just so you didn't feel like a minority...

i'm a cpm player, i didn't 'come from OSP', so i dunno what your point was :/

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eri - Reply to #320

When exactly did i say a thing about promode 1 supposedly being hard to get into? Never indeed.

And its not about being right or wrong what we want , when will you see that. Its merely about wanting something back which weve played with for years and years

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xero- ' - Reply to #430

Which makes it better how?

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eri - Reply to #448

It makes it better cause it makes the large majority of people happy

While i realise that 'argument' doesnt hold for most things, in the case of a gaming mod it does

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xero- ' - Reply to #506

No it doesn't. Wake up.

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eri - Reply to #513

If it's not broken dont fix it

But i suppose u'd jump into a flaming pit also if arqon told u its better, u sure seem like it

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xero- ' - Reply to #514

Just because it is 'alright' it does not mean it cannot be improved. Not my fault you are contempt with mediocrity.

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Raist - Reply to #515

your definition of mediocrity sucks mate... in some ways cpma vq3 feels different, it might be good it might be bad but that is not the point
OSP works, and cpma works as well. So basically why do we need arqon to go nazi mode on us?

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xero- ' - Reply to #521

I find it funny that it's the same fanboys that bitch when anyone mentions change in vq3 (OSP) but when someone creates a mod for q4 they bitch about the lack of changes... grass is always greener on the other side I guess.

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Raist - Reply to #525

yeah except q4 1v1 never felt really solid compared to vq3 but vq3 did feel good

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eri - Reply to #515

As Raistlin said yet again, you're just totally missing the point.

Aside from that what you view as an improvement is frowned upon by the vast majority of players (i will repeat this over and over if i have to) , interesting to see how easily you can throw basic democratic principles out the window when it suits you personally

Not too mention your idea of improvement actually totally screws up gameplay on some extremely commonly used ctf maps for one

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xero- ' - Reply to #548

Democracy is amazing, look at the United States.

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #267

No coder has though, especially with the same gameplay knowledge that arQ has, and until someone comes along with something better than CPM/A, I won't switch to the "less rude guy"'s mod.

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SyN - Reply to #267

I'd like to see one of these "talented" modders step up then and do something.

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eri - Reply to #441

I'm 99 % sure there are people frequenting this site who easily have the skills needed, the question is more like do they have the time or desire for that

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Ion - Reply to #442

I can't imagine why anyone would want to help such a fuckin whiny and annoyingly self-righteous bunch of clowns like this community is made up of.

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SyN - Reply to #454

Ion has it :)

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kmt - Reply to #454

we wouldn't be a whiney bunch if we didn't have to jump through hoops to get a majority-wanted change made. as we know from past incidents (Q4MAX CLOCK LOL), the more we whine, we will eventually get what we want :D

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eri - Reply to #454

And yet you are siding with arqon who represents all of that bar the whining , o sweet irony

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GreenBastard - Reply to #248

going to all that effort to insult someone - you're a very bitter person

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xero- ' - Reply to #248

shut up with your whine, jesus, do you realize that you're whole argument is based on how a GAME CLOCK works, if you are too stupid to subtract then stop playing.

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Raist - Reply to #318

it was a simple addition requested by many but was thrown away without any good reason with insults added on top.
that is the issue, really doesnt matter what the requested thing was

Edited by b|d-Raistlin at 18:11 CDT, 16 August 2006

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Demanufacturer - Reply to #248

thanks for condensing the counter info. it was the single most stupid thing i've seen a project lead spout.

it was so obvious that after a while him saying no to the counting up clock stopped just being his opinion on how things should be and became him just proving he could have his own way

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slunge - Reply to #248

Having read that interview, I was thinking about exactly the same thing... "timers will never count down...!!", If only there could be some sort of similar debate about these 1999 vq3 physics.. its like playing q3 when most of use had 500mhz pc's, a fundamental part of vq3 movment changed in one almighty swoop.

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sn0z - Reply to #214

Eri is my god ! and I will follow him where ever he goes !

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sai - Reply to #235

You suck sn0zlette :(.

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Keymaster - Reply to #7

How 1984 you mean?

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eri - Reply to #211

I considered that, however i wanted to be clear and i'm not sure most people would get the orwell reference

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sharakin - Reply to #212

Screw most people. Most people are morons!

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spyteman - Reply to #241

did you just quote arqon? :>

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sharakin - Reply to #380

:D

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Ultraviolet - Reply to #241

'The masses are asses'

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Nicky

nice iview :)

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LilliZ

Hehe

"I think VQ3 over CPM was a shame, but inevitable. CPMA over OSP is a no-brainer (despite the no-brain minority who cry about it on ESR :P)"

Hmm last time i looked cpma was the minority byt maybe I saw wrong ? :)

And arQon is not always wrong, he just have a shitty way to tell it and thats why cpma is so small as it is, people get annoyed with how he says things not the things he says.

/L

Edited by LilliZ at 13:27 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #9

"CPMA over OSP is a no-brainer (despite the no-brain minority who cry about it on ESR :P)"
Uhm, you didn't get it. He means to say that the majority of the OSPers did not cry about the switch from CPMA mod to OSP mod, which has nothing to do with the CPM ruleset vs VQ3 ruleset.
edit: fair enough akuma =)

Edited by Yeltsin at 14:06 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Akuma - Reply to #22

I think he was [+] for this

And arQon is not always wrong, he just have a shitty way to tell it and thats why cpma is so small as it is, people get annoyed with how he says things not the things he says.

Rather than the CPMA over VQ3 comment ;o

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.syL - Reply to #9

And arQon is not always wrong, he just have a shitty way to tell it and thats why cpma is so small as it is, people get annoyed with how he says things not the things he says.

The thing is, he's mostly right, which makes people even more angry.

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Minstrel - Reply to #54

He's mostly right like George W Bush is mostly right. He believes in it enough that he magically is right. LOLOL Noobs if you I let you choose whether the clock counts up or down then it will ruin teamwork and there will be chaos rofl you guys are so fucking stupid that you cant even see that?

Edited by Minstrel at 16:10 CDT, 14 August 2006

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eri - Reply to #174

Well us peasants are clearly unable to coordinate a 4 man same-timer setting

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xero- ' - Reply to #174

Take a simple english class and then come back.

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xiko

You've said that Q4 has more potential in gameplay than Q3, do you thing that potential will ever materialize?

Just edit it :)

Very very good question/answers.

Interesting to see someone who really is aware of things bash q4. An opinion that matters.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #10

thx

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kmt - Reply to #10

yeah awesome questions Yeltsin, shame you got brushed off on so many of them with insincere smileys and lazy 'find out yourself' replies :(

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voodoochopstiks

Nice iview, gj arQ and Yelt.

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[master]

Very good interview.

<< Comment #13 @ 13:29 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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fuzz

haha

<< Comment #15 @ 13:32 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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hkrep

magic people!

<< Comment #145 @ 15:38 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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raide - Reply to #15

voodoo people!

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ScanX - Reply to #145

tu titu tutu tu tuti tutitu

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z3on - Reply to #219

tu titu tutu tu tuti tutitu

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bawbz - Reply to #246

xD

<< Comment #16 @ 13:32 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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DiGiTracker

Interesting, somebody with brains on ESR =)

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<< Comment #43 @ 13:59 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Nicky - Reply to #16

a bit mind blowing that :|

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DiGiTracker - Reply to #43

Aye, Sujoy is one of the other ones =)

<< Comment #17 @ 13:33 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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rdmz

n1 !

<< Comment #19 @ 13:34 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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fojji

Fascinating individual, to say the least.

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rdmz - Reply to #19

haha to say the least indeed :)

<< Comment #33 @ 13:51 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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TosspoT - Reply to #19

copyright carmac

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #33

We better find Magnus Fojji a lawyer, stat!

<< Comment #313 @ 21:57 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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stoneeh - Reply to #33

fascinating (c) spock?

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Aaron - Reply to #19

do you agree with his VQ3 gameplay description? :)

<< Comment #24 @ 13:40 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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lenny

Yeltsin is russian!

<< Comment #25 @ 13:42 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #24

PREVED

<< Comment #389 @ 08:23 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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lenny - Reply to #25

PREVED KROSAVCHEG

<< Comment #26 @ 13:42 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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BooTes - Reply to #24

Nobody is perfect..

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #26

OMG that's racist.

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Nicky - Reply to #37

thats more racist than my gobble gobble line lol

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Raist - Reply to #45

you hurt me with that one!! :P

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Nicky - Reply to #73

thing is i wasnt being racist at all :(( sexist maybe :x

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Raist - Reply to #75

SEXIST IS FINE LOLZ!!!11

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Nicky - Reply to #78

hehehe

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lenny - Reply to #26

yea, i thought exactly about it after read ur post

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Lisk

An interesting read, indeed.

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flinga

How is it a good move to finetune the movement and whatnot of CPM while at the same time if you tune the VQ3 movement to what all the OSP�ers are used to it is so terrible that if I even utter the words I shall burn in hell or go play CS?

** Edit
I haven�t heard any complaints from the huge CPMA VQ3 community that we should not change the movement to "125-fps" style.

Maybe I�m wrong though :(

PS.
I like this guy though, have done lots for the community!

Edited by flinga at 13:48 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Anonymous (0050da05dafa.click-network.com) - Reply to #29

smarter people tried to prevent this for cpm gameplay, now its your turn. gratz!

<< Comment #30 @ 13:50 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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flu1d

needs weapon brightskins imo

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xrg - Reply to #30

lol, so if, learn how to tweak config instead, and that the server gives it to you if u have cl_allowdownload 1 is even more crap! and they are useless/fucked up with my config!

Edited by xrg at 19:21 CDT, 14 August 2006

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flu1d - Reply to #264

so delete the pk3 and turn off autodl

<< Comment #31 @ 13:50 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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kesaale

<3 this is why i play cpm

<< Comment #138 @ 15:34 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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CLains - Reply to #31

descriptive

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eri - Reply to #31

You enjoy total submission to a megalomaniac?

Interesting

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xero- ' - Reply to #207

I think you're just mad that endi rped u ez.

;-----------------------------------------------------------))))

<< Comment #365 @ 05:35 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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kesaale - Reply to #207

you know that ain't true

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Aaron

Nice interview, can someone point to me to a place where arqon explains the whole 76FPS movement thing and what's what, since none of us understand apparently. :(

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #32

apparently there is no 76FPS movement thing, there used to be lots of hax like that i guess, which are not necessary right now

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Aaron - Reply to #36

kinda guessed that but a detailed description would be nice, (if he or someone else had time)

then he has the right to bitch and whine about people not understanding ! :)

<3

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #42

that's what I wanted but it was either that or he didn't have time to give detailed answears that only the programmers with some detailed knowledge would be able to understand, not a lot of people that is, so deal with it or download q3 SC =)

Edited by Yeltsin at 14:05 CDT, 14 August 2006

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #42

sound like id didnt wana "fix it" and change the movement system that felt a certain way and people were used to, so they made the pm_whaever thing, now aqruon has been leet and amazing enough to fix it and make it better.

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Aaron - Reply to #112

Take this with a pinch of salt.

I imagine that 76 is the default baseq3 com_maxfps setting, which offers a lower jump height than com_maxfps 125. People started using com_maxfps 125, years down the line it's a standard. Bug or not.

People are under the impression that CPMA VQ3 is a much less buggy version of baseq3, thus believe that the movement reflects the base value that is 76 FPS, which would explain the lower jump height, need to circle jump correctly in order to cover distance and what not. arQon gives us the excellent CPMA mod with independant physics, CPMA VQ3 is picked by the CPL recently, more people become aware of this 'base standard'. The mass whine starts.

Now I get the impression from this interview that none of us 'whiners' or simply those that dislike the movement (hey normal or not we do have tastes) don't understand what's actually what and that it's not infact '76 FPS movement', just what we call something we 'don't understand'.

Fuck i don't even know where I am going with this, gagagaghjdgsagsagfjg27348rgfshdbfk

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #155

i need a weewee

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Aaron - Reply to #164

gay darth vader needed m8

<< Comment #190 @ 16:22 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #188

NOT GAY, KITTY ISNT GAY!

asdafffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

tis cute thats all.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #155

No.

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #155

85 is the baseq3 setting. I have no idea on whether that's clamped or something in code, but through the console at least it says 85 as def.

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Bob - Reply to #42

.

Edited by Bob at 18:59 CDT, 27 June 2024

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Aaron - Reply to #119

can you read you imbred chav?

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Bob - Reply to #136

.

Edited by Bob at 18:59 CDT, 27 June 2024

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #156

Less than 6 months ago you thought prodm6 was an original UT game levle now you're debating the finer point's of com_maxfps settings?

Fo:)

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Bob - Reply to #387

.

Edited by Bob at 18:59 CDT, 27 June 2024

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #394

Oh yes my bad. it's hard to keep track of everything on this site.
You thought that No Doctors was a remake of Q3dm6 because it had the filename of q4dm6.

Source:- http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=917941#917941

The point is you obviously have ltd q3 knowledge so if someone's asking a decent question best not to interrupt (for the sake of interrupting) and learn from it instead of trolling it.

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Bob - Reply to #396

.

Edited by Bob at 18:59 CDT, 27 June 2024

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brz - Reply to #136

inbred

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Aaron - Reply to #213

ah yes. of course!

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brz - Reply to #216

; DDDD

Edited by breeze at 17:11 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Aaron - Reply to #218

tbh if you were to cross jagger and richards that would be the outcome

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brz - Reply to #220

so you're saying dird is their lovechild?

<< Comment #225 @ 17:27 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #224

could well be!

least he's rich :(

<< Comment #228 @ 17:30 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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brz - Reply to #225

all the money in the world couldn't fix something that fugly

<< Comment #371 @ 06:10 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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pisk - Reply to #218

omg first thing i thought of after seeing that was KDAWG!!

<< Comment #39 @ 13:56 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Pushpabon - Reply to #32

If you needed to know you would know.

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Jamerio '

Arqon you lil charmer:)

<< Comment #35 @ 13:54 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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GreenBastard

Great interview,

Well done yeltsin.

<< Comment #38 @ 13:56 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Akuma

Good stuff :)

<< Comment #40 @ 13:56 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Sephir0th

the majority of the OSP'ers is a handful of clueless halfwits according to arqon :p

FLAME THIS COMMENT!

<< Comment #49 @ 14:01 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Omen- - Reply to #40

<flame>

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kesaale - Reply to #40

IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!!!

<< Comment #217 @ 17:09 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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LilliZ - Reply to #40

yes the "handful" are 5 to 1 or something, fitting description, but that's his way, stir it up, piss people off but who cares..

/L

<< Comment #47 @ 14:01 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Anonymous (sorompo.mavinformatika.hu)

arQon = Q3 and CS

<< Comment #41 @ 13:57 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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sk!a

ta for that, n1 yeltsin, great job! and arQon being arQon is funny to read :D hes got style.

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Sephir0th

"How has MP been implemented in Q4 in general, is it really a copy/paste from Q3?

Big chunks of it are, yes: right down to duplicating the same bugs that we (the OSP team) fixed in Q3 over five years ago."

just proofs that ppl should stop playing q4 and get back to q3

<< Comment #50 @ 14:02 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Omen-

Nice interview [+]

<< Comment #52 @ 14:07 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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cumrag

I'm glad VQ3 was chosen over that shitty CPM mod.

Edited by wolfwood at 14:13 CDT, 14 August 2006

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.syL - Reply to #52

Welcome to clue-land, may I show you the door

<< Comment #57 @ 14:12 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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cumrag - Reply to #55

sure, german.

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aoeu - Reply to #57

aoeu

Edited by FreuX at 08:42 CST, 23 November 2017

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cumrag - Reply to #82

racism at its worst.

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becks - Reply to #114

Yeah, the one that actually makes you look stupid :P

<< Comment #53 @ 14:07 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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KitesAreFun

Love him or hate him, the FPS community is lucky to have him.

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<< Comment #56 @ 14:11 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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flinga - Reply to #53

true dat

<< Comment #59 @ 14:16 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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pisk

lol @ arqon's rage at CPMA failing to achieve the popularity and fun level he (and a handful of other people) had wished for. Your idea of perfect gameplay is marginal and boring to most people, get over it =)

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<< Comment #66 @ 14:31 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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dvide - Reply to #59

most people play cs and wow

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pisk - Reply to #66

when it comes to computer games, yeah, it's something like that i guess. your point?

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Liam - Reply to #79

His point is that CS and WoW are shit for competitive games, that's what CPMA is about, it's a competition mod, the majority of people play computer games for fun, not to TAKE ON FATALONETY AND WIN ONE HUDREDS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, that's what CS and WoW are for, obviously some people don't get this and put alot of money behind games that aren't made for it, like the fellow who recently won $100,000 for playing hl2dm for fucks sake, he only started playing when the tournament was announced, are you telling me that being able to go from never playing it to winning $100,000 in a tourney in the space of a few weeks is right? No offence to him, congratulations I say, but you get my point. We may aswell have a world championship of coin tossing if that's what we're gonna do, will it be heads or tails?! Who knows?! Then of course walter will show up with his 2 headed coi... wait never mind ;).

VQ3 is alright, but the majority of people who bash CPM haven't played it for very long, I fucking KNOW they haven't. I'm not saying it's better, that'll always be a matter of opinion about what these games should come down to, but it certainly isn't shit.

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pisk - Reply to #176

yep, agreed on most points! why on earth did he reply to my original post though? i thought he was trying to present some counter-argument, but i didn't get it, so i asked.

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Requ13m - Reply to #176

We may aswell have a world championship of coin tossing if that's what we're gonna do, will it be heads or tails?!

We're almost there, actually, except that this game has three choices instead of two. Makes it more "pro" you know. :)

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kmt - Reply to #252

ahaha!

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bawbz - Reply to #252

promode of RPS http://www.liquidgeneration.com/pictures/funn...cissor.jpg
:>

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kmt - Reply to #550

HOLEEE JESUS ITS BAWBZ

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Carmac - Reply to #176

I saw people that at some point were considered some of the finest CPMA players on the planet say that they prefer VQ3 to CPMA. People whose games were among those that were supposed to define what promode is all about.

They have played it for a long time.

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MaJunior - Reply to #262

The reason those (presumably Polish) players switched to vq3 is:

1) VQ3 had tons of money
2) they couldn't keep up with the younger generation

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Carmac - Reply to #271

Neither. Keep on guessing ;)

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MaJunior - Reply to #272

How about you tell me who you're talking about instead of making this the 99 questions.

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Carmac - Reply to #278

If I wanted to I would have spilled the beans long ago. Bottom line: I know players who were considered the cream of the crop in the world AND claimed they prefer VQ3's gameplay (not money).

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MaJunior - Reply to #282

so be it, I can't counter based on guesses

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DDDD - Reply to #289

krogoth, matr0x etc.

thanks.

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MaJunior - Reply to #403

krogoth -> 2)
matr0x -> 1)

thanks.

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DDDD - Reply to #409

what exactly are you trying to tell me son?

thanks.

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MaJunior - Reply to #410

you haven't even read the thread :(

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DDDD - Reply to #411

not all 410 comments no, but matr0x and krogoth never switched to vq3 cause any of those reasons. i gess you're nott oldskool enaf too haf seen power of speed? =)

thanks.

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MaJunior - Reply to #413

krogoth was a sore loser which is why he switched to vq3 (as evidenced in the power of speed and yes i'm more old-school than that) and matr0x figured out that it's better to play for big $$ and ESWC than practice like mad to win 10 lollipops and a pat in the back in 30cm2 netcafe in Gliwice

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DDDD - Reply to #414

matr0x kinda agrees whith krogoth in the movie. and matr0x only went to one major tournament back then afaik. how much did he win?

thanks.

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GreenBastard - Reply to #282

hi carmac,

I too would like to whose these ppl are, because I dont know of any top-lvl cpm player that prefers vq3 or even thinks it comes close to cpm's quality of gameplay.

Here's an interesting article from 2001 featuring some of the top osp players of the time that didnt even play promode much at all:

http://www.promode.org/index.php3?load=comments&aid=143

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Carmac - Reply to #302

I love how CPMA's followers Jehova Witness everyone.

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GreenBastard - Reply to #327

nah I dont care what you play (UT right? you're not even a quake3 player don't know why you are commenting)

Its just shitty how people attack the game I love just because they dont like arqon. But oh well :)

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Carmac - Reply to #328

Do I have to be a Quake player to make comments on ESR? :>

Personally, I don't tie CPMA's merits to arqon's personality. I dislike it for other reasons.

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rolf - Reply to #330

Anywho, I know some top vq3 players who prefer cpm : )

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DDDD - Reply to #328

says the cpm player to vq3 players ; -)

thanks.

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GreenBastard - Reply to #401

I've played far more vq3 than cpm

I only play cpma cpm these days because its a far better game.

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DDDD - Reply to #418

I've played far more cpm than vq3

I only play cpma vq3 these days because its a far better game.

I guess i grew up and became more open minded.

thanks.

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GreenBastard - Reply to #421

what does that mean?

I'm 29 and I've played all the quakes and love them all, I had a great time playing osp for years, but for me CPM is the best version of quake yet.

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DDDD - Reply to #302

matr0x for example.

thanks.

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Pushpabon - Reply to #282

You probably mean matr0x or mess or something like that? Yeah matr0x quit and now plays q4 or vq3 or wsw or hell, I don't know. The poles probably disliked pm2 vs. pmc change, railgun damage reduced from 100 and drag (or did 1v1 have drag?). Oh yeah and the most good polish cpm player, krogoth, .. well he is totally another story, more about him in power of speed.

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xfoo - Reply to #262

Big deal, there are lots of great q4 players who fucking hate the game.

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tommi' - Reply to #262

Referring to anynomous authorities is always a great base for an argument.

"Countless highly esteemed biologists regard the theory of evolution as total crap."

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Carmac - Reply to #354

I'm just bringing up an instance to illustrate it's not all black / white and in this case I don't give a rat's ass if any one of you is convinced.

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marshmallow - Reply to #176

I've played cpm on and off for a while. It's not bad at all. However, arQon is fucking with vq3's settings we all love. Thats fucked up, he can do whatever he wants in cpm but for vq3' osp - when we've played with osp's nice strafe height for like 5 years- NO.

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Drexciyian - Reply to #79

Most people choose cheese pop over good music

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #276

Most people who could form a cohesive argument why they prefer pop... don't. They like good music. Pop is for people who don't listen to music. I prefer VQ3 because I like strategy, and I can tell you why. And if you had to mention POP, the only analogy is CS, VQ3/CPM debate is more like that between Metallica/Megadeth, regardless if you like them or not of coerce.

Edited by Yeltsin at 20:29 CDT, 14 August 2006

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xero- ' - Reply to #292

Erm.... CS requires quiet a bit more strat than q3, fact.

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rolf - Reply to #325

It's all about strat m8

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marshmallow - Reply to #276

yea cpm being the cheese

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aoeu - Reply to #59

aoeu

Edited by FreuX at 08:42 CST, 23 November 2017

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<< Comment #86 @ 14:53 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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pisk - Reply to #83

i did a full text search, and the only post containing that phrase was yours =(
EDIT: fits perfectly though :)

Edited by pisk at 14:55 CDT, 14 August 2006

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aoeu - Reply to #86

aoeu

Edited by FreuX at 08:43 CST, 23 November 2017

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pisk - Reply to #97

rofl get a grip man, you're embarassing yourself. i insulted nobody's work (learn to read) and you're just a raged fanboy, admit it =)

<< Comment #163 @ 15:52 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Lucky - Reply to #59

The is nothing wrong with an "ideal gameplay". However, when the result being getting spanked instantly when you try out the "ideal gameplay" it's quite hard to gain a community :)

The game isn't open enough to get the attention it perhaps needs.

<< Comment #61 @ 14:18 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Six16

ive been a vq3 gamer all my life,(i dont play anymore sadly) but i love the odd game of cpma, and i love watching it even more! cpma>osp!

also, can we get a pic of arq? would be nice to put a face to his name! :)

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Nicky - Reply to #61

yes idd we need pics!

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GreenBastard - Reply to #61

Your only 8 Years old?

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<< Comment #122 @ 15:23 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Six16 - Reply to #92

:p

<< Comment #256 @ 18:49 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #61

i heard if you stare at this pic, then look away, you can see arqon :D

<< Comment #63 @ 14:27 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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xou

I <3 this game :]

<< Comment #64 @ 14:28 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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veal

nice read, wouldn't have mind 5 more pages ;)

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dreg

im eating cookies

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cumrag - Reply to #65

with milk?

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dreg - Reply to #67

yup

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<< Comment #70 @ 14:39 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Badb0y

i dont read this interview, hes not my god.

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tom - Reply to #70

i concur !!

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GreenBastard - Reply to #70

well said

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CLains - Reply to #70

shitty reason

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Lith - Reply to #139

i concur !!

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endi

Y SPLIT COMMUNITY
RUIN

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<< Comment #80 @ 14:50 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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_agu

nice interview :)

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Naghokez

imo he sounds very arrogant and full of himself. Like when he mentions the "handful of clueless halfwits"... How does preferring a type of gameplay (jump heights) make you clueless? That's like saying to someone "uh, you like chocolate ice cream but vanilla is clearly better, you're so clueless". Take a step back and realise that just because you think something's better for the community doesn't make it so.

Edited by Naghokez at 14:53 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #85

You're clueless exactly because it's not about a chocolate flavor, it's about machine oil leaking into your package at the manufacturing plant.

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Naghokez - Reply to #89

At the end of the day it's a way the game feels/plays vs another way it feels/plays.

Edited by Naghokez at 15:22 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #117

No, playing OSP won't damage anything. Making the code buggy is damaging it by defentition, no?

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Naghokez - Reply to #120

I edited my post before I saw you had already replied to it, sorry about that. But I don't get what you're saying tbh, unless you also want them to fix strafejumping etc? Just because it's labeled "unclean" doesn't mean it isn't better for some people.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #130

Ok, np.
What you're saying is that you like the physics to feel faster, that's understandable. However, what doing so will imply is that the game is no longer vanilla quake3, right?

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Naghokez - Reply to #134

well I would like the jump heights to be like OSP and that's it :p

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #137

But the principal still stands. What if someone else wants the RG dmg be a little lower, or mg ammo higher, this/that. Do you see how that wish of yours can't really be more important than all the others?

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Naghokez - Reply to #141

tbh I think the majority of OSP players want the jump height back. The only problem is that it's hard to objectively verify that, since a poll on esreality would see CPM players vote when they have nothing to do with VQ3. Maybe on the CPL forum, or ask the top thirty Q3/Q4 players?

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berth - Reply to #151

the top players only vote for what they think might give them higher chances of earning prize money.

I always played vq3/OSP, and I am glad, that finally vq3 is played with fixed physics instead of buggy ones that fuck up jps.

Now this is the most vanilla q3 might get because this is just how the physics were supposed to be by id.

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dreg - Reply to #141

m8, if someone has been playing a sport with one set of rules, or variables or whatever for many years and is then told that he must play by another set of rules because some guy said it's best then it will annoy that person. yes he will adjust for the pure and simple fact that he has to to continue playing, but that doesn't mean he thinks its better, most likely he'd prefer it to be the old way, especially if the change reduces the overall fun factor in a game mode like vq3.

ALL osp players i have spoken to so far would prefer the old movement back. Most will live with the change while others will whine etc, and some might even like it more (if they play cs that is). but the fact of the matter is i've not met anyone who would, given the chance, not want it back... not yet anyway...

so why go against the crowd like that?

i for one will play and am playing, but that doesn't mean i have to enjoy the change. also, i much prefer what it was before, just because it was more fun.

it's gone like this for me: 1.3 patch for Q4 made it FUN. CPMA VQ3 has nerfed my fun in Q3.

edit: i didn't mention the other changes that came with playing cpma vq3 because those are things that actually add to the fun of learning something new, not feeling handicapped while moving (yes practice makes perfect but that doesn't change the fact that it still feels handicapped at least for me.... handicapped to the way i used to play not other players).

Edited by dreg at 17:16 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #215

"so why go against the crowd like that?"
It's more like bending in at the (what you so expertly sum up as the crowd and arqon as a bunch of halfwits, two extremes imo) crowds whim. Not that I lean one way or the other, personally I lol at that "five ups less has ruined my q3" crowd, it's just not nearly such significant gameplay alteration. AND the principal still stands. So GL either way, maybe you can still enjoy OSP, or maybe the speed up will be added, which I doubt.

Edited by Yeltsin at 17:45 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Lith - Reply to #215

sporting rule changes are a bad example... that happens all the time

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Carmac - Reply to #120

Strafe jumping and whatnot were bugs originally.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #263

Originally.

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Carmac - Reply to #279

Yes. I'm not an expert, but why the fuck fix a bug no one ever complained about? Because it's a bug?

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #280

I donno, good point.
Oh wait, do you actually think no one complained about pmove? I don't have any statistics but I never liked shitty FPS dependent movement, but I guess since I never complained about things being more fair when I had a p2 400 and then I upgraded, you do have a point!

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Carmac - Reply to #291

I just talked to some players that were considered "top" in Quake 3 and they didn't seem to understand the need to "fix" the movement. But as I said, I don't know jack about the technicalities.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #293

That's because they have their own needs.

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Phantomas - Reply to #293

Most likely because those "top" players didnt have a clue what bugs was there because of the fps dependant movement.

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Carmac - Reply to #362

Did those bug affect anything other than the movement?

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #367

The random gauntlet kills as in hitting somewhere in the air will hit someone on the other end of the map are a result of pmove afaik.

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Phantomas - Reply to #367

Like chopstik says. arQon also states in the interview that fixed physics also has helped the netcode alot.

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wipeout - Reply to #280

It's called "leveling the playing field" (which at the same time stops players from 'abusing' a bug which gives those with higher framerates an advantage).

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Pushpabon - Reply to #263

Strafe jumping was deliberately added to baseq3 and is definitely not a _BUG_ anymore, it's a feature where as jump height being dependant of your fps is definitely a bug that has to be removed.

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hkrep - Reply to #85

as he said in the iview, cpm physics that actually work as intended are one of the reasons the netcode is better, unlike OSP.

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miya

Very nice interview with good questions.

1. What will the community do when arQon /quits ? Quake 3 and up will wither and die.

2. Didn't Jamerio have uber mapping skills (he worked for a N64 game developer as a mapper, right?)? Fix us some new maps, will ya.

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eri - Reply to #90

1. Someone else with the necessary coding ability will step up and take over maintenance of the cpma code, that is if arqon isnt that arrogant to decide that if he doesnt do it noone can. He already has the credit for it anyway so thats a moot point if that's his concern.

2. I highly doubt n64 games were made using radiant or whatever the q3 map tool of choice these days is

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Zanno - Reply to #95

actually the compiled result IS a .bsp map file

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eri - Reply to #99

So what? I'm pretty sure i can output a drawing of a teapot around jupiter as a .jpg in photoshop, doesnt mean i actually know how to work with photoshop

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #95

Just for the record it was Maya used for x-box/n64/gamecube, which is the most advanced modelling/rendering/animation package in the world and is used in all best CGI films. It's a 100 times better and more advanced than radiant. Radiant in comparison is like a fisher price level tool-set:). Even though It does have some nice stuff like realtime rebuilds and allows you to do a lot without needing a coder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_7

Secondly, I did start blocking out maps for Quake 4.
Sadly, I came to the stark conclusion that the game was terrible and it's 100% Pro-focused.
In other words, if a good map comes out the community will only play it if someone like CPL/WSVG pick it and I'm sorry but that's not encouraging enough for all the hard work that needs to go into making a map. At least to the level I aim for.

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Aaron - Reply to #283

Maya was around then?

must of been damn limited compared to what it is now. :)

I am sure I recall some of the WETA team saying Maya literally went from nothing to everything during the development of lord of the rings.

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #336

Whilst Maya has come on leaps and bounds over the years even it's first release was infinitely better than anything like radiant, worldcraft, unreal ed and you could use the original version to make the best lookig game even today. It was that advanced.
They're not really comparable, becasue even games like Doom3 and Quake 4 have been using maya/max for years to import static meshes and to build character models and detailed geometry.

I mean when you consider they made Jurassic park in 1991 then the software/knowledge has been around for years, but the CPU/GPU on modern pc's/consoles have not been there to utilise that and while it's getting there it's still a good 5+ years away IMO.
Quake4 can't even render a deathmatch level like lost fleet with a few players at 60 FPS. And that's a game Engine engine written by the best coder in the world.
And that's on a 3.4 AMD with 6800 GT which is arguably more powerful than an x-box 360 pound for pound.

Secondly Maya has gotten a lot more advanced, BUT the features they have implemented are not detrimental to modern day game development.
A lot of the features are for things like advanced surfaces, such as Nurbs and Sub Div Surfaces, Mental ray, skinning and a lot of features which benefit character modellers and animators, CGI guys far more than they benefit level designers and 3d artists who are constrained by how many poly's or bones they can render in a map or or character.

Here's a render/model test I did in Maya 7.

Great, but show me a game console or pc which could handle a game world filled with objects of this quality?
There is none, SO, we're constrained by the hardware, not the software. By you could have done that image and better on the original Maya.

The point I'm trying to make is where game dev is concerned you can do 99% of the things you can do in Maya today 10 years ago.
They could have stopped making maya 5 years ago and it would still be powerful enough to last the software industry a very long time.

Which is why people need to research how images are displayed, because I doubt you'll ever see a signifact gap in game gfx ever again, becasue once you see some of the DX10 games like UT/Crysis, you'll just see steady progression.
Snes to n64 that a was a huge leap.
Nes to Snes that was a huge leap.

Be grateful you were around to witness it :)

/rant over.

Edited by Jamerio at 07:17 CDT, 15 August 2006

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reslox - Reply to #369

my memory's a little hazy but this is how i remember it. there were a trio of CG specialist companies, alias, wavefront, and softimage. Right around the time that M$ was developing the directx api they bought out softimage to aid them with their API. This scares the shit outta SGI so they buy both alias and wavefront, but not wanting to integrate the companies fully in to SGI, a new company gets formed, alias|wavefront who develop maya. But 3d studio, lightwave and poweranimator were around b4 maya. cba to check right now but i'm almost certain maya came around 1998, the mid point of the N64's life

Edited by reslox at 07:31 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #377

Maya was indeed out in 97, early 98, but Lightwave/Wavefront? (If I remember right) had been out years before then and was used for the rendering on things like Donkey Kong Country and Killer Instinct.
TBH no other gamedev had really gone down that route at the time.

Before and around pre 98 it was SGI's (Onyx) using software called Ningen and Gamegen, which was more polygonal based, as opposed to be a high quality rendering package.
Anyone rememebr the over use of SGI and Ingen company in Jurassic park?

My point was the tools have been available for well over a decade to do great looking games, but devs were mainly limited/constrained by thing's like polycount, shaders, bumps, specular and all the other fancy stuff which is hardware related.

The basic tools needed to build a realitic game world are pretty simple simple cuz a polygon is a few vertices, edges and a faces and that's really all you need to repliate anything. The rest is just icing on the cake, even if they are useful, they're not essential.
What makes it special is realtime lighting, big textures, bumps, specs, per pixel blah blah blah. All of which is hardware dependant.
Implementation of Havoc and other API's.

Edited by Jamerio at 08:16 CDT, 15 August 2006

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reslox - Reply to #381

nvm all that, i was just doubting the use of maya in N64 games. bearing in mind it was released mid '98 and it takes 18 months to develop a game, give or take

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #405

It was definitely used in n64 dev becasue the lastest games to be released for that console were 2002 ish.
Though Gamegen was still widely used.

In 98 onwards artists used it on a partial basis to import more complex bits of geometry. I know this for a fact becasue I had to edit the geometry and asked a coder why the mesh was all black.
All that was needed was a simple plugin for maya (.mb) to Ningen and gamegen .nin and .gen.

The company I worked for had a unique relationship with SGI and all the rendering vendors so we tended to get the latest stuff as as it was available. they were street s ahead of most places when it came to rendering. Not being big headed just stating a fact.
Which is why dates might not add up for you.

Edited by Jamerio at 12:00 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Bob - Reply to #90

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Edited by Bob at 19:00 CDT, 27 June 2024

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char - Reply to #132

lol

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Arcita - Reply to #132

goldeneye 1v1, let's go. Facility, 15 minutes, big heads and paintball enabled

7%

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #196

Looking back, Golden eye was actually very flawed as a 1v1 game at an advanced level cuz of the split screen mode, level designs and basic physics on the character.

Funtimes I agree, locking yourself in the toilets:)

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kmt - Reply to #90

NINTENDO SIXTY FOOOOUURRR!

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miya

I'm screaming: PIC!!!! I want to see what the guy looks like.

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wviperw - Reply to #91

I think I may have seen a single photo of arQon in my life, but that was quickly confiscated by the FBI minutes later.... or maybe the whole thing was a dream...

;)

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Kami.Kaze - Reply to #91

Picture is here :

http://www.challenge-world.com/people/arqon/c...ageid=1718

I would insult him but it's bad taste to pick on the afflicted.

<< Comment #247 @ 18:27 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #243

thats a nice find :)

some interesting stuff from that iview

"CPMA has *always* been "OSP 2.0" as well, so we really need to lock down OSP 1.0 first."

this was back in 2001

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marshmallow - Reply to #243

Dear god. 'It' looks like 3gspike the pedophile. No wonder arQon. :(

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rolf - Reply to #243

looks kinda like camping_gaz, which explains alot actually.

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miya - Reply to #344

Please explain. Isn't Camping_gaz the guy responsible for www.planetquake.com?

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rolf - Reply to #428

arQon and c_gaz are probably the two guys who knows most about the q3 engine. Other than that they dislike each other enough to flame each other behind their backs calling each other lyers etc. : )

c_gaz was the guy to find out how to do overbounces consistently he also made a bot who could move as perfect as he programmed it to. He also made a usefull tool called tga_hook which could alot of useful stuff for capturing videos.

You know what arqon has done.

Another hilarious thing is that they're both hated by parts of the community mainly because of their attitude. A shame really.

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miya - Reply to #445

Thanx for the info. It's really entertaining to hear the history of the two of them, eventhough it's pretty tragic.

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xoji - Reply to #243

You can actually fix that image, i recently read on Digg that someone has developed some anti blur software or possibly a plugin for photoshop. Search it up on digg as i can't be arsed.

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just a guy - Reply to #424

yes, I used it to un-blur the photos I've taken of Santa Claus last christmas. I'm about to use them on the pics I got from the easter bunny too.

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mew

awesome interview. arQ is the man, and im a huge fan. <3

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Lisk - Reply to #94

once he releases a swinging hook you'll be a drooling fanatic!

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Spetz

Great interview.

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xgo

arqon telling people who played vq3 for years they are stupid and muppets is nice
he who hates vq3 knows how its suppose to be, really impressive.
cpl should reconsider there choise
=)

Edited by xgo at 15:25 CDT, 14 August 2006

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aoeu - Reply to #102

aoeu

Edited by FreuX at 08:43 CST, 23 November 2017

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Arcita

very opionated, but i agree with most of his points. i'm glad he ignores all the stupid questions about 125 fps physics vs. cpma's fps independent ones.

too bad he doesn't enjoy vq3 gameplay that much, which is a purely subjective opinion. there are lots of people who do enjoy vq3; there are lots who enjoy cpm. my point here: well, nothing really. keep up the good work ;)

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sharakin

I'm never gonna play CPMA competively, and this guy's attitude is the reason. It's become a principle thing for me now :)

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Aaron - Reply to #104

it's not his attitude in general but more the fact it was adopted by the community early on and then the whole "immature" community thing.

it aint bad at all really, lobster is still a cunt though! damages my self esteem no end

ps: jazz sucks

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mew - Reply to #107

immature? more like brutally honest and sarcastic. :P

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #104

illogical

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sharakin - Reply to #109

How so?

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #113

What does arQons attitude have to do with playing CPMA competatively?

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sharakin - Reply to #118

It has nothing to do with playing CPMA competively, it has to do with ME playing competively. I don't want to help popularize his mod when this is the attitude he has towards gamers.

I won't make a difference I'm sure, but as I said it's the principle for me now :)

Yes, I'm just as childish as he is I'm sure :p

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #131

Okey, so you're basically denying yourself possible fun because it might make the game more(possilbly less) popular so more players might have fun because ...? A lead developer has an attitude? I still don't see any logic. Do you think it matters to him if you don't play CPMA?

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sharakin - Reply to #148

Matters to him if I would have played CPMA if he weren't so arrogant.

And I'm not really denying myself that much fun, because to me it's not the games themselves that are fun, it's the competiveness of gaming.

Not that I'm playing much at all these days.

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sansai - Reply to #158

CS has a lot of competitiveness !

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sharakin - Reply to #170

I played CS 5-6 years ago.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #171

I wish your recovery a faster pace =)

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mew - Reply to #131

thats like saying you dont want dr. Gregory House to fix you just cos he doesnt care about you. >:(

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kmt - Reply to #118

it does actually, prepare for flame after this one...

a long time ago i didn't really take Q3 seriously at all, i only played unlagged instagib because it was the only type of game i could play competitively on dialup apart from CS which i didn't really like at the time. then i heard about CPM, i tried it, everything was fun and well for a while until i started winning games. now i don't hear the end of it, the problem being that i managed to piss off one of the promode team members here in australia by simply beating him.

it was how i beat him though that was the problem, i could win any game i wanted to with nothing but +back, just how a friend of mine (sty1ee) won the last 1v1 cup we had here, he even beat toxter with ease.

since i started to win, people's true colours began to show, which was kind of a good thing if you don't like to kid yourself as to who your friends are. i had to change my whole playing style just to get a game, and to try and keep the peace, but i've come around full circle. i had a down-time where i just let my opponents win by playing mindlessly (constant +forward) which kept everyone happy, but lately i haven't been playing +back or +forward, i just stay in one position and predict, and i'm still managing to beat the best.

i suppose i'm getting off topic here, the 'guy's attitude' brushes off and onto CPM's gameplay, hell, i was even told that they were trialling different spawn ammo amounts to combat people who have the same playing style as me! this coming from iX, another member of the promode team. this is all fair and well i suppose, i say good luck to them refining their community, but you can only grind down a weld so much before it starts to weaken...(or insert a better analogy here).

the promode team's opinions in general have no base in professional gaming. imagine a grand final of me vs fatal1ty, and let's just say he won by camping the last 5 minutes of the map. now imagine me complaining to arqon and having him implement some kind of camping penalty in the next CPM release, just to 'even things out'.

aaanyway, doesn't bother me anymore, i'm loving being able to play VQ3 competitively against people who used to own me in OSP due to ping alone :)

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Drexciyian - Reply to #266

Sorry but u've never even come close to beating good cpm players, and no newborn aint one of them either.

I play +back and i have ppl moaning and quiting (inc ix :P) but why whine? i laugh i think its great thats what promode is about no one style dominates the other it allows players with radical different playing styles to compete, vq3 on the other hand seems to be more playing whatever the winning style is at the time till someone finally comes up with something to beat it, if you look at vq3 tdm over the years you will see this

Edited by Drexciyian at 20:12 CDT, 14 August 2006

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kmt - Reply to #277

i beat the best on offer, i'm not going to fly over to poland to prove my point.

pretty rude of you to deem toxter as 'not a good player...'

+ i'd be happy to laugh at it and keep on playing if that was the case, but when a community of no more than 4 refuses to play against you at all, i had to do something!

Edited by kmt at 20:16 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Drexciyian - Reply to #281

? you live in .au which hardly has a cpm community let alone one thats of high standards

1) tox has been active in years, when did you play him? doubtt he'd been playing much at the time
2) he good but he wasnt even close to the best eu players, ie matr0x zoom rat etc.

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kmt - Reply to #290

i'd heard he was in the top 5 at one time, man even still, you're talking on a world basis, i'm just some guy that plays the game when it's too cold to go outside..

if i can beat toxter, how do you know that my skill doesn't go beyond that? assuming i've been able to beat anyone who has challenged me in australia, who's to say that i would not be able to beat someone of a higher level from another country?

this wasn't originally a boast about how good i am, i was just trying to say that because i beat someone who is in the promode team, they have made changes to the game so i cannot win as easily, based on playing style alone. i was trying to state the absurdness of such an action from the CPM team as a whole, you can't put your faith into elitist rational minds.

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Drexciyian - Reply to #458

Ive beaten rat, does that make me good?

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rolf - Reply to #480

shouldn't beat people with your wheelchair : /

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kmt - Reply to #480

good enough to make you reply i suppose.

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Phantomas - Reply to #458

"i was just trying to say that because i beat someone who is in the promode team, they have made changes to the game so i cannot win as easily" - Isnt that stretching it by a mile?
The facts you presented earlier was
1) That you played +back against a member of the cpma team, and that he whined about it.
2) That the cpma team trialed changes (and implemented probably) to the game that according to iX was:
"aimed at countering massive spam based on the concept of depth coming from spending each of a limited set of resources in the most effective way"

That those changes were made so you cannot win as easily is hardly explained by those facts.

Quite frankly, you should get off your high horse. Im sure you are a good player, but your grivieance against cpm based on your playing against a whiner in a small community is hardly representative for how the CPM community is.

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MaJunior - Reply to #541

what's funny is that he's not a good player by any means, which is why most of the time he doesnt even know what he's talking about (like that post where he said that cpma these days is all armor running lol)

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kmt - Reply to #541

based on a whiner in the CPM community? newborn is the CPM community in australia..

and yes MaJunior, i'm not a good player even though there is no one I haven't beaten who's challenged me, and i have no idea what i'm talking about even though nearly all of my suggestions towards promode have been implemented in the game, i bet you even have the clock centered on screen which was originally my suggestion over a year ago on the promode forums :(

"That those changes were made so you cannot win as easily is hardly explained by those facts."

if you read my post, the changes made to promode weren't to combat +back gameplay, they were to combat spam, which my game mainly consists of these days.

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GreenBastard - Reply to #281

toxter is severly out of shape, hell even if he did play as much as he used to he would only have you newb aussies to prac against :)

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stoneeh - Reply to #281

i can somehow understand your situation
some people want to force their game or their style of game upon you
i'd not go in to them just to get a game, that's ridiculous
there must be some other way, if not, shit on them and on the game
were free people after all

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kmt - Reply to #331

hehe, i've got more friends than enemies in the aus promode scene now, that was how it was in the past though... and i just kinda kept coming back to cpm regardless because it was something i was half decent at, it's a habit :P

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MassMan - Reply to #277

The apparent variation in cpm playing styles is probably more a result of the small community than cpm being a "superior" gameplay. If cpm had the amount of "pro" gamers that vq3 had/has then similar trends of similar styles among the top players would evolve.

Regarding teamplay styles cpm follows the same pattern as vq3 to some extend. There has been a major change since I started with cpmctf. In the beginning it was mostly oldschool 1flag 1mid 2att, sometimes even 2flag 2att. Today all top clans play a more offensive/tdmish 2mid 2att (all 1 of the top clans...)

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Drexciyian - Reply to #300

I disagree 101% CPM has many things that allows players with different skill set that allows them to compete, aim, movement, strong armours & sound.

For example strong armours allow a player with weaker aim to play more aggessively vs a aimwhore, this cant really happen in vq3 due to the weaker armours

Edited by Drexciyian at 05:58 CDT, 15 August 2006

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DDDD - Reply to #366

a good aimer cant win vs a good timer in cpm cause of the strong armors then. and IMO aim requires more skill than timing.

thanks.

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Drexciyian - Reply to #404

not really as good aimers are mostly people with natural skill and dont really need to train it(hitscan)

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DDDD - Reply to #406

you can train aim. as you can train timing. only thing is that training aim requires more dedication and more skill.

thanks.

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GreenBastard - Reply to #404

wrong, the best cpm duelers have the best aim/dodging/movement skillset, timing is secondary to that

someone like auror? has awesome timing yet hes not a top lvl dueler

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DDDD - Reply to #420

lugia isnt exactly the best dueller either.

thanks.

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bud - Reply to #422

auror: timingbeast
lugia: aimbeast

No offence but i would not call theese guys div1 cause of their talents.

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kmt - Reply to #420

yep just look at rat's phenonemal movement, leading factor as to why he's #1 :P

^sarcasm

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bud - Reply to #459

I cant say he has bad movement either tbh :)

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kmt - Reply to #510

yeah but he doesn't have 'the best' which was claimed earlier. there was a thread a while back and i asked why he was so good, because i honestly could see next to no skill in his games, i'd watch and watch and just get confused as to why his opponent would be playing so badly.

he put it down to experience, not a certain level of skill evened out across the board. so if the secret to winning promode is nothing but experience, as long as rat is playing, no one will ever beat him :(

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Drexciyian - Reply to #518

1) i didnt say good movement will will make u good, being able to run fast and not being good at anythign else will not make you a good cpm player
2)Rats good because he's good at a combo of skills but his main skill is prediction, not just in his aim but he's good at prdicting what someones going to do next

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Phantomas - Reply to #518

But people do beat him from time to time, so something is obviously wrong with your argument :P

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kmt - Reply to #544

people beat me from time to time when i don't try hard enough too :D (hard to believe i know)

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bud - Reply to #404

http://www.challenge-tv.com/index.php?mode=de...demo=26797

gg?

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poindexter - Reply to #366

That's one of the problems with cpm 1v1. It only rewards aggressive play. I can rape somebody all day with prediction rockets but unless I go charging after them constantly I won't win.

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bud - Reply to #524

only rewards agressive play!??! huuuh!??!?
sif m8 sif.. I can't give you a [+] for that since it's not the truth : /

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Drexciyian - Reply to #300

O as for the ctf thing 1) i was taling about tdm not ctf, ctf is like football or such sports formation =! style 2) theres more to do with playing 4v4 instead of 5v5

Edited by Drexciyian at 07:00 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #266

Did you say "flame"? 50% of those who managed to finish reading your comment probably have insomnia

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GreenBastard - Reply to #266

"aaanyway, doesn't bother me anymore, i'm loving being able to play VQ3 competitively against people who used to own me in OSP due to ping alone :)"

you can thank arqon for that, how about showing him some appreciation/respect rather than slagging off the people that have spent no end of hours building the game you love (or used to love in the past) instead of acting like some spoiled kid

Dont be so arogant to think cpm's design is based around you, I'm willing to bet not a single thing has been changed influenced by anything you have done.

Grow up.

Edited by elhefe at 20:31 CDT, 14 August 2006

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kmt - Reply to #294

how much would you like to bet? go ask newborn or iX, or just read iX's reply below. would you like a demo of newborn quitting mid-game vs me and saying 'you are the reason ammo counts need to be changed'....

the amount of shit i've had to deal with playing CPM outweighs the appreciation factor by miles. selfishness isn't even a part of it when i've been paying in ego rep every time i complain. they live for it, just like the urge you have to reply to my posts.

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ix - Reply to #266

The dev change is aimed at countering massive spam based on the concept of depth coming from spending each of a limited set of resources in the most effective way. This doesn't happen when players can fire 260+ rockets in a single game, it should be objectively obvious that something is wrong when you can spend more than 1/3rd of the game with the fire button held down for one weapon.

The change would not prevent prediction rockets or temporary area denial but it would at least become a trade off and a choice rather than free. As you've said you've adapted, why do you object so strongly to a reasonable limitation on the ammo in game? What justification is there for each weapon spawn to be limitless ammo on 3 of the 5 maps? This is what we want to change, with this change people will still be able to play defensively and it is not our intention to remove play styles.

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kmt - Reply to #303

well thanks for at least giving a decent explanation, all i'd heard in the past was that it was 'to stop people like me spamming' - which is how i currently win games.

doesn't my ability to adapt to this nullify the point of changing it in the first place?

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ix - Reply to #461

"doesn't my ability to adapt to this nullify the point of changing it in the first place?"

Ammo is objectively in massive excess, the aim is to reduce the level of ammo, it has nothing to do with you personally.

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kmt - Reply to #463

tell that to newborn and tell him to stop slashquitting on me then!

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Nellie - Reply to #113

Because 1 guys perceived attitude has fuck all to do with you playing. Or will he be on server berating you with taunts about vq3?

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sharakin - Reply to #129

It's not illogical in that sense. Because he's an embassador for his game -> he is taunting games I like and play -> makes me not want to play his game.

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Pushpabon - Reply to #104

So if the he and/or community is vocal about the facts, it's bad and ruins the game even if it doesn't affect the game at any way? BESTEST LOGIC MATEY. You deserve a roboty awardy.

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xgo - Reply to #126

it affects the game very very much....

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bud - Reply to #133

very ^ ^

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MaJunior - Reply to #146

wery*

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CLains - Reply to #126

retard?

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Pushpabon - Reply to #147

Ehh how am I a retard?

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CLains - Reply to #175

well you basically didn't understand what sharakin said, but still came about to flame him for it. he holds an opinion that you can like or dislike, and it's not very open to discussion if he thinks arqon is an asshole and does not by principle want to play the game because of it.

Edited by CPLains at 16:32 CDT, 14 August 2006

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sharakin - Reply to #126

"So if the he and/or community is vocal about the facts, it's bad and ruins the game even if it doesn't affect the game at any way?"

I do not understand this at all, please rephrase.

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Pushpabon - Reply to #166

Rephrasing:
What you said is: I'm never gonna play CPMA competively, and this guy's attitude is the reason. It's become a principle thing for me now :)
What I reply is:
If arQon acts, by your definition, arrogantly and the community would do so too, how does it change the GAME in any way. How does it somehow ruin your fun or restrict you playing it? It's idiotic to say "I don't play this game because the dev is a fag!!1one".

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sharakin - Reply to #178

It's probably not that it's ruining my fun, it's more that I don't need to play CPMA, because I have many other games and not enough time. So I choose my games based on how they appear to me. So basically yeah, I choose to not play CPMA because the dev is a fag!!1 ;)

Edit: I'm not saying, that the CPMA community acts like arQon does though. I'm sure they are like any other communtiy.

Edited by sharakin at 16:17 CDT, 14 August 2006

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bawbz - Reply to #104

yer ok

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mbc

i enjoy cpm more than vq3, but this guy is still a pompous ass

and i don't need to explain myself when it's so obvious

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Venim - Reply to #106

exactly. arqon can be an asshat but cpm is still better than vq3 :)

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PuPPeT

I am a MuPPeT

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bud - Reply to #111

I thought u were a Puppet O_o

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Pushpabon

arQon akbar!

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aoeu - Reply to #115

Allahu arQon would've been way betterer

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miya - Reply to #124

On the contrary. Akbar means "great", so arQon akbar is teh correct expression.

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aoeu - Reply to #150

ahh, i have been erased.

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CLains - Reply to #115

The arq of Arqon is cpma

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BlindGuardian - Reply to #115

be careful, i can almost see furious muslims storming foreign embassies for this comment :P

<< Comment #121 @ 15:23 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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rehepapp

we could always boycott cpma. it didnt live up the hype anyway.

a muppet

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Liam - Reply to #121

FUCK YEAH POST THE LINK TO PETITION ONLINE.
RIGHT NOW.

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netrex

Very good interview :) Good work!

First interview I just read through instead of planing to read it later :P

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puttputt

arqon is so awsome! keep up the good work man!

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Nellie

Explain to me how arQon is arrogant, I aint been around that long - see no arrogance in this interview.

mm could maybe construe

The "so called 76fps jump height" is just a slogan thrown around by muppets who have no clue what they're talking about

as arrogance. Is he not just being straight to the point?

Edited by Nellie at 15:42 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Naghokez - Reply to #142

mainly the "I know best" attitude.

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Nellie - Reply to #153

Doesn't he?

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Naghokez - Reply to #160

I don't think he knows what's best for the community. And even if he did, there's the way of saying it. Just because someone is the best doesn't mean he can't be arrogant too :)

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xou - Reply to #177

what about the design team ?
he's not alone and he clearly said that.

Edited by xou at 17:30 CDT, 14 August 2006

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #142

well with out even going into the interview he says "clueless halfwits"... didnt u read it?

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Nellie - Reply to #154

Aint they? All the justifiaction I've read has basically been "it's what we're used to". Goes with his answer before that Q

The "so called 76fps jump height" is just a slogan thrown around by muppets who have no clue what they're talking about, and need something simple enough for their minds to cope with. As I mentioned above, the bug was just some broken math that, once found, actually took far less time and effort to simply fix than the hacks created to work around it did.

Edited by Nellie at 15:57 CDT, 14 August 2006

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #165

arrogant = dissing people / name calling. just pointing out what you asked.

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Nellie - Reply to #168

No, arrogance is behaving as if you're superior, or know more than other people.

arQon does know more than other people. So it's factual, not arrogance.

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #173

wow. thats embarrassing.

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Nellie - Reply to #182

Down the river, not across the bridge.

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becks - Reply to #173

nope, arrogance means that you either are or think that you are superior and act like it.
For example, Ronaldinho running around asking everyone "can you do this trick, or this one" would be arrogant.

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frant1c - Reply to #142

don't get me wrong, i like cpma vq3. it's so nice and smooth.

but it's more than the "used to" thing people are complaining about. if let's say arQon forces everybody to play with a pink, large, ugly crosshair. it's not a big deal. it doesn't even effect the gameplay, although people would be upset. and this is how the 125 physics guys feel now, i guess.

I also think, people would like to have a voice as the community who plays the game, which is supposed to be played competiteveylley at tourneys.

i mean, the warsow community literally create their own game (ok, maybe a bit over the top here), but i don't see any problem there, despite some dudes with strange ideas in forums. it's not like everyone wants to make the game as they want for themselves and it's not like every request from the community has to be dealed the same way. people should distinguish a bit more.

i must say gj arQon but yes, calling people muppets and clueless halfwits is arrogant indeed. even though people are pissing you off, just don't do that.

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bud

ty, nice interview.
BTW move ur calender forward 6-7 months arQon and u have something better to look forward to than HeffaLAN ^_^

Edited by bud at 15:40 CDT, 14 August 2006

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CLains

Nice interview

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vara

nice interview

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Larvi

the man who killed q4
ok,who stabbed the dead corpse a few more times
with a watch

Edited by Larvi at 15:49 CDT, 14 August 2006

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kmt - Reply to #157

i wish my plusses were worth more :D

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Larvi - Reply to #268

:]

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Fortress - Reply to #157

Edited by Fortress at 22:11 CDT, 16 August 2006

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Larvi - Reply to #527

8)

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BlindGuardian

i respect the arqon's opinion stated here but i mostly do not agree :) ztn > *

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rdmz - Reply to #167

He's just had very bad expiriences on ztn Im guessing :D

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Larvi - Reply to #197

u must fight krysa "king of fps drops" !!!

<< Comment #191 @ 16:22 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Anub1s

all i want to say is the vq3 movement sucks, and cpma movement is best (in every way hehe)

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netsabes99 - Reply to #191

All you want to say is :
"all i want to say is the vq3 movement sucks, and cpm movement is best (in every way hehe)"

Edited by Symen_4ab at 16:41 CDT, 14 August 2006

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juxx - Reply to #200

=)

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paLmen - Reply to #200

Unless he thinks the FPS dependent movment of VQ3 sux, and that the fixed FPS independet movment of CPMA is better.... ;D

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cha0ticz

One of the best (if not, THE best) interivews we've had in gaming

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kingmob

I especially like the part where he calls people clueless and that somehow makes it magically true :)

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way2ez4gtv - Reply to #202

how is that not a valid argument? dont even bother to answer am greater then you stupid head, so i win. hahahah.

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eri - Reply to #202

Indeed, unfounded idiotic statements are a true sign of intellectual superiority

I cry out for the day arqon will deem me worthy of engaging a debate with him

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DiGiTracker - Reply to #205

I think that was not his point, his point was that his statement was a self fulfilling prophecy. His statement attracted all the idiots which prove his point =)

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Troll

Words "arrogant" and "prick", come to mind. Don't give up your day job.

<< Comment #223 @ 17:24 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Moker

Best interview in a long time. Although I don't agree with the VQ3 criticism.

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Venim

good interview

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Blitzk3r

Very good read!

<< Comment #232 @ 17:41 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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runge

Great interview!
Arqon is the man!

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MUNG>esh

OSP 1.04 > OSP 1.03a

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Lith

Great work Yeltsin...

arQon as always explains himself and leaves no doubt who is right =P

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gluk - Reply to #238

He leaves no doubt that he's a self-loving moron, that's all. I'd be ashamed to talk like him :(. Where is ethics \ politeness \ attention \ concern for people? I guess nowadays it seems 'cool' for many to be cruel idiots both in life and online. Personally I don't see how being arrogant and cruel makes you 'cool', and it's sad to see how many people do think it cool. They watch too much brainwashing TV, perhaps.
Personally I can't overcome my disgust towards arqon after reading this interview. Even though it made me chuckle at one point (which is usually a good sign), it's still impossible to read only the surface and not see the low-level personality between the lines :(

Just in case: I'm not some christian, in fact I do not believe in god, and this isn't preaching. I just live in a real world, not only online, and it's hard to be blind when you do.

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #251

i3;k2; ESReality k9;k2;m3;l6;k6;l0;m0;n0; l5;k7; l9;l6;k4;k7;m0;m1;n2;: l4;k2;l3;k7;l5;n0;l2;l0;l4; k6;k7;m0;l0;m6;l2;k2;l4;, k3;l6;l3;n0;m6;l0;l4; k6;m1;l8;k2;l2;k2;l4;, l5;k7;k9;k2;l4;m1;m0;l5;k7;l5;l5;m9;l4; k6;k7;k4;m1;m6;l2;k2;l4;, l3;n2;k3;l0;m0;k7;l3;n3;l4; l7;l8;l0;l9;m0;k2;k4;l6;l2;, l0;, l9;k2;l4;l6;k7; k5;l3;k2;k4;l5;l6;k7; - n1;l9;m0;k7;m0;l9;m0;k4;m1;n2;m7;l0;l4; l7;k7;k6;l8;l0;l3;k2;l4;. h4;l6; l9;k4;l0;k6;k2;l5;l0;n3;. (c)

Edited by Yeltsin at 18:55 CDT, 14 August 2006

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<< Comment #259 @ 19:09 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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n0me - Reply to #257

Who in the what now?

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Aaron - Reply to #259

if I took a guess i would say it's the "esreality is an international site blablla post in english"

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Aaron - Reply to #259

maybe not.... i got this instead

On ESReality to come I do not advise: to small kiddies, greater(big) fools, незамутненным to girls, fans(amateurs) of prefixes, and, the most important - эстетствующим педрилам. Good-bye. (c)

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primax - Reply to #257

oh, and what is that most important thing, эстетствующим педрилам?

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Fortress - Reply to #257

he said no fags allowed at ESR :>

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miya - Reply to #251

[+]

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HamstaHue

played and watched cpm yesterday and it seems just like a funmod, weapons modified to be less skilled, movement made fun and interesting (ye fun, not more pro), spawn system changed to make very easy spawnfrags.
i don't really see how its very promode at all.. anyway that will always be opinion.

ok interview, but way too arogant and stuck in his ways.

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sh1ny - Reply to #240

Go get a clue....

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GreenBastard - Reply to #240

yep its heaps of fun, no one said its more pro (unfortunate name for the mod I agree)

But your wrong on the other points:

The spawn system does not make spawnfrags easier, as they are more random than OSP spawns (ie less predictable).

The weapons are not made less skillfull; the rail has less damage than vq3, and the shotgun has a less random spread i.e. a skilled person will have a better idea of the dmg they are going to dish out and adjust their weapon selection accordingly. The RL is stronger yes (imo as is should be, RL is the quake weapon), but that also means its harder to dodge. The lg cripple affect has been removed so you cant just ping rape ppl with that gun.

Enjoy your time playing cpm.

20+ TDM/CTF games are played here every day if you want to play some more: #cpmpickup

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HamstaHue - Reply to #265

well i probably do need to play some more hours to see about spawns. but spawning with 100h only seems a bit shite and also it seems like u can spawn right where u just died.

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im a tree - Reply to #240

100 damage rail = UBER SKILLED.

Hell, Lets all play baseq3 on pro-q3dm6, thats surely pro, as it hasn't been modified yet!!11!!1111!

Really, I don't know how you can say that.

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HamstaHue - Reply to #286

i was thinking of the shotgun being predictable and usable at any range and the rockets moving faster so easier to aim. and also the weapon switch which takes some skill out of choosing a weapon for a fight or time.

i kept thinking rail damage was less but my m8 said it wasn't :) guess he wasn't thinking.

there's other maps used than dm6 u know. what would u modify on it anyway?

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ix - Reply to #360

From a VQ3 perspective you have a point about weapon switch, that skill is to some degree lost. What takes time to realise is how other skills are gained, you can still lure people into making the wrong weapon choices, there's a great interaction between dodge pattern, distance, geometry and weapon choice. Because players have the freedom to switch you have the freedom to mess them up without an artificial penalty being imposed.

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gSTRUCTOR '

Reading this interview make me feel like a 3worldish-arQon in my local nearly unexistant quake community, i tell them to play one mod, to use same maps as cpl, etc. But most of them just want that or this, they dont want to accept things, they say im a dictator. What they dont understand is that someone has to take that role, and that its not a funny role at all.

Now plus the f4cking post so it gets the 100% it deserves and congrats arQon, never leave us.

<< Comment #255 @ 18:47 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Paracet

why is it called vq3 when its not? alos, I'm not sober... And I dont know where Bart is!

Edited by Paracet at 18:53 CDT, 14 August 2006

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Syn-

- Favorite BSD flavor?
Open. Quality > *. All BSD is good BSD though. :P

Amen, All BSD is good BSD :)

<< Comment #311 @ 21:21 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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frank_garrett - Reply to #260

r u a haker

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #311

lol! dude haxors use linux

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joko - Reply to #260

What`s funny is that the man behind OpenBSD, Theo de Raadt, is well known for his attitude that some call upfront others rather rude. In fact his rudeness is the reason there is actually OpenBSD because he forked off from netBSD when he was kicked of their dev team for his attitude on the mailing list. ( de Raadt was on of the founders of NetBSD)

Maybe arquon and Theo are bothers? ;)

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rep

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Demanufacturer

something the cpma community doesnt seem to consider..

imagine the flipside of the coin,..

imagine CPL starting a world tour with quake 3 as the game, with OSP in PROMODE

netcode aside, surely thousands would be screaming about the broken physics of the OSP promode along with the differences between the OSP promode and CPM..

maybe then they'd understand why its so hard for OSP'ers to go to the different physics and modified VQ3 of CPMA ("fixed" or not, its modified)

personally, i dont really care about the changed physics, my movement was never anything special anyway. the point is, there are better ways to deal with a community than calling them stupid. try seeing things from their perspective..

whilst i appreciate what he does, the fact remains that he lost all credibility in my eyes when denying the counting up timer in quake4. it just made no sense, and his rationalization of it was, infact, a stupid rant from someone who obviously never played in a good team

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Drexciyian - Reply to #269

? the problem wouldnt be the physics it would be the mod, we'd cry at cpl to change to cpm mod and not cry at rhea to change the physics in osp

Edited by Drexciyian at 03:16 CDT, 16 August 2006

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GreenBastard - Reply to #269

"he lost all credibility in my eyes when denying the counting up timer in quake4. "

Quite pathetic, seriously have a think about that, placing so much importance on a tiny insignificant feature, thats an extremely petty attitude to have.

This flipside crap..what? OSP is dead outdated mod. OSP with promode? huh? its 3years old.. Why the fuck would CPL pick a dead mod? CPMA includes all the features of OSP and improves on them with its own features, not vice versa.

So many questions sorry I just dont understand your ignorance here maybe you are not a quake3 player and dont follow the game.

Seriously I wish you wouldn't waste everyones time pasting such bollocks.

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Demanufacturer - Reply to #288

i dont place the importance on it, arqon did by denying it. it was the outcry of the professional and casual community which made it balloon into the issue it eventually became.. and arqons unwillingness to implement, as you say, such a "tiny insignificant feature" exemplifies his lack of insight..

also, you might any to check out http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypothetical to understand the point i was trying to make

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GreenBastard - Reply to #306

If you agree its unimportant why are you even mentioning it as an issue? You are just critising for the sake of it.

You're hypothetical situation is completely unfair and ridiculous as the CPL would not pick an unsupported mod.. CPMA 1.35 is the latest version of OSP anyway.

Ok I'll play along .. if CPL picked OSP promode, I wouldnt give a shit and would carry on playing my the game that I love and that is CPMA CPM.

<< Comment #315 @ 21:58 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Demanufacturer - Reply to #309

i dont compete in quake4, so its not personally important to me. it was to a lot of quake4 competitors, who made the effort to request it, only to be denied because of an arbitrary decision by arqon which was fundamentally flawed.

his reasoning, to me, regardless of which game i play, simply showed that he doesnt understand much about how teams work (i.e. if a tdm team is playing together, they would ensure they all have the same timer setting. it wouldnt divide the tdm community)

the relevance to this discussion? his arbitrary decisions arent always for the best. thankfully in Enemy Territory, the main mod team is able to strike a balance of whats "best" for the community and what the community wants. why isnt that happening with cpma? because arqon isnt making the effort..

imo, there needs to be a yang to arqon's yin in the CPMA team.

<< Comment #321 @ 22:12 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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GreenBastard - Reply to #315

"arqon isnt making the effort"

Well thats both insulting and wrong. CPMA is the most polished mod I've played in any game. And Q4MAX doesnt look to shabby either (a lot of that thanks to AnthonyJ granted).

Also any team with half a brain would be able to use a counting down timer 100% as effecitively as otherwise.

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Demanufacturer - Reply to #321

oh right, so all the pro players who asked for a counting up clock dont have even half a brain.. way to emulate your messiah =)

i said he wasnt making the effort to be receptive to the community, not putting effort into the mod. do you have to keep twisting my words? =)

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GreenBastard - Reply to #323

Dont twist my words also please.

I never said anyone asking for it has half a brain, none of those pros who asked would have any problems adjusting to counting down timer.

Ok sorry I misunderstood you on the effort thing.

I would argue his mods are better because of the fact he is not receptive to every random joe on esr who demands the mod should be based on what they think is right

*edit spelling is fked its too late, good night :)

Edited by elhefe at 22:22 CDT, 14 August 2006

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kmt - Reply to #326

you're so shot down!

you simply can't argue arQon's side of his Q4MAX clock fallacy, as he has already admitted defeat. you could rant on forever and a day if he'd stuck to his guns, but he didn't, that's why it's such an important factor, not the subject of the clock itself.

i would like to see you tell people such as cha0ticz, daler, cl0ck, reptile etc. in real life at a CPL final that they should have simply obeyed arqon's decision and learnt to deal with a down-counting clock. these people that were playing the game for money could probably give you a better reason as to why they wanted the clock reverted to what it was before in the first place much better than i could, i'm sure they all have extremely good adaptability skills, but why should they waste them on something that should not have been altered in a specifically no-gameplay-changes mod?!

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #464

What if we're not arguing about arQon being right right now? Can't we argue if he was right back then? Imo some of his arguments like demo time, team pickups and public gathers with people having different timer settings made alot of sense. I can play with an upward timer in vq3 and a downward one in CPM, I have no problem with either.

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kmt - Reply to #532

i'm not on anyones side in the clock debate, sure i understand arQon has his reasons, but unless i was one of the world's best Q4 players who were competing for money to make a living out of, i don't really have the right to comment :/

<< Comment #329 @ 22:26 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #309

I think what he means to say is that the issue itself is unimportant but arqon's attitude towards it is not. If it's so trivial why it is a problem to actually let people make a choice if they want to?

<< Comment #425 @ 13:24 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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The Stig - Reply to #329

Exactly. It's the same for deadbodyfilter.

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Equim - Reply to #425

ah, what's been said about deadbodyfilter? I've started to miss it :(

I just assumed that it's something that hadn't been thought of or requested for cpma yet. Has arqon actually said he won't implement it?

<< Comment #439 @ 15:45 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Symbi0nt - Reply to #438

Do NOT do him to start that thing here again. Just use the search function. :)

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Equim - Reply to #439

ah ok. I didn't realise there was such a debate about it.

Personally I was just trying to get closer to a purer game - in the same way that I don't want blood I don't really want bodies flying around either.

At least there's a reasonable technical reason for disallowing it. I guess ideally (for me) the bodies would cease to exist (i.e. not visible and not hittable for any players) as soon as they were killed - but I can't see them making that change now.

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The Stig - Reply to #438

Yep. He can do whatever he wants but stats speak for theirselves. Right now:

CPMA: 180 players / 264 servers
CPMA VQ3: 53 players / 105 servers
OSP: 755 players / 680 servers

Edit: and don't start with things like "CS has a lot of players!", because OSP and CPMA VQ3 offer the same gameplay, yet one has 14+ times more players.

Edited by The Stig at 16:18 CDT, 15 August 2006

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dvide - Reply to #446

You can't just compare numbers like that, as it's so misrepresentative. CS didn't get where it is because it's such a good game... it's because everybody else plays it. The title of "most popular multiplayer fps in the WORLD!!11" draws a lot of people to the game, not the actual gameplay. Standards tend to develop, and OSP is the quake 3 standard, regardless of whether it is the best currently. It makes sense that it's not easy to switch the entire community over to cpma. In short... well... it doesn't mean cpma is shit.

Edited by dvide at 19:37 CDT, 15 August 2006

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kmt - Reply to #456

good point, well i don't agree entirely, but you sound like you're on the right track.

think about CS:S, every CS player i know willingly tried it and hoped it was going to be as good as 1.6, yet it wasn't. it has been the same case with OSP and CPM for as long as they have existed. if you've tried it once and didn't like it, you're not going to sit on the edge of your seat waiting for it to get better when there is already a better game (in your eyes) already out there.

we were all the same with Q4 for example, we all tried it, put a little bit of faith into point releases, but inevitably went back to Q3. we don't play Q4 just because it's a newer game in the series.

having trouble putting this into an analogy, but think of CPM VQ3 as CS:S for CS 1.6 fans, they might give it a whirl each point release, but unless they like it more they are always going to play OSP one way or another. and! just like the CPL dropped 1.6 and replaced it with source, the same has happened with Q4, yet it has been replaced with CPM VQ3. so umm..as far as i know..

CS:S (CPM VQ3) has been dropped from CPL and replaced with 1.6 (OSP) (stuff in brackets future prediction based on CPLs choices based on the community after a season or two of nothing but CS:S. i can't see the same happening to CPM VQ3 though, after the first season i'm sure arqon will implement just about any CPL-requested feature just to keep his name up there.

Edited by kmt at 20:28 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Drexciyian - Reply to #446

Id have it a guess most of those osp players are playing tdm/ctf/ca no?

<< Comment #297 @ 20:34 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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al-Muharib - Reply to #269

it's quite clear that he isnt really "good" with people. so just ignore assholes like him.

<< Comment #314 @ 21:57 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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Vayne

I dont care what he does with cpm or cpma, I played osp when I played q3. Q3 is over for me. This interview is just for the cpm fans. Q4 is what im playing now I just hope he doesnt fuck something up with his cpma shit. Some1 needs to make a superior mod for q4.

<< Comment #316 @ 21:59 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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User1067

Is it impossible to add the missing ups/jump height/whatever only to CPMA VQ3, with the fixed movement, to make it feel like OSP with 125 fps?
Would that not make everyone happy (CPM players would have their old feeling, OSP players would feel like home and the developers would still have their "clean" code)?

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aoeu - Reply to #316

We've been discussing about this, and it seems impossible (there isnt just a jumpheigh cvar apparently, many things are related)

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Anonymous (dslb-082-083-062-063.pools.arcor-ip.net) - Reply to #316

I don't think this has been answered yet, because arQon didn't even consider CPMA VQ3 physics as an open question at all as explained in the interview. I'm interested in this, too, because the ideal solution sounds so easy.

However, this is getting ridiculous. Players who are used to their movement since many years don't want to change, because there is absolutely no reason to - regarding gameplay. The developer don't want to give them the movement they want, because it wasn't meant to be that way - regarding the code. And on top of that they (the community and the developers) treat each other in ways that makes it nearly impossible to change for anyone without getting laughed at afterwards.

I think both "sides" are guilty and both have invalid arguments. The community, because of the unwillingness to change - well, without change we would get to nowhere. And the developer, because of not listening to the community.

And what do we get in the end? I don't know much about CS, but they denied the successor and now they're playing what they _want_.
The fps community was already small, then we had the split with Q4 being a very poor game and after we got Q3 back? A guy is put in the position to make the decisions for VQ3, a ruleset loved by people he spits on everytime he has the chance to. What an "excellent" move. Considering this fact, is really anyone wondering that - instead of everyone being happy to have probably the best fps-game ever back - it's now another split about little details and stubbornness on both sides!? A big *sigh* to that!

In some forums I read almost only negative comments about the CS-community, but still they seem to work out such things way better than "we" do. Shame on the fps community and the developers.
Looks like this community doesn't deserve to be bigger or more representated at tournaments. Much homework still needs to be done before it can grow.

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kmt - Reply to #383

nice post mr. anonymous, just think, if you had an account you could be building plusses next to your name :D

Quake in general has always been a meathead's game, even though there are many intelligent players out there, active playing numbers aside, I believe the CS community has a smaller meathead to intelligent player ratio :) btw i don't judge intelligence on knowledge..

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sai - Reply to #316

The netcode is tied together with the fixed physics. So in order to get back your broken physics you'd have to give up the improved netcode.

I think it's really understandable why arQon doesn't wanna do that.

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Aaron - Reply to #556

nope

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sai - Reply to #571

bananas

pitepalt

How have you managed to improve on Q3 netcode so much, do you utilize any special techniques similar to those in "Unlagged"?

*snip*

Haste and I did talk about some of the more interesting aspects (such as player prediction and adaptive timenudging) back when he was working on IU, but what people tend to refer to as the CPMA "netcode" is actually a whole bunch of different little things (including, amusingly, physics that Actually F**king Work Properly :P) that COMBINED make the whole online experience so much better.

Edited by sai at 04:51 CDT, 19 August 2006

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Aaron - Reply to #573

[/q]So in order to get back your broken physics you'd have to give up the improved netcode.[/q]
No body wants the FPS dependant physics. I am sure if arQon can setup CPM movement minus the need to depend on frame rates he can set the 125 FPS movement units.

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sai - Reply to #579

A bit of some insider info:

When arQon first implemented the fixed physics some jumps were impossible to perform. The most memorable was the ledge to the RA jump on CPM4. He fixed that by adding 4 units of jumpheight (iirc) so we could make those important jumps.

The problem is you're thinking arQon is doing this because he's some sadistic demon from the 7th circle of hell. He's not. He's doing it because overall it helps improve the feel of CPMA plus he's somewhat of a purist.

And you seem to be stuck in your train of thought about com_maxfps 125 physics from OSP > *. Did you read and comprehend this sentence:

If you remove the FPS independant physics you will get WORSE netcode/feel to the game!

<< Comment #584 @ 22:21 CDT, 19 August 2006 >>

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User1067 - Reply to #582

So you are basically saying, that it is not only possible, but has already been done once?

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sai - Reply to #584

I'm saying that yes it's possible and yes he won't do it. The mod will gain nothing from it while losing a large part of what makes it so good: The feel (TM).

Plus with some training you're as good as new with all the jumps you could do in OSP. The same amount of whine was present in the CPMA community for oh... about 2-3 weeks and then everyone had learnt to do the jumps efficently enough. Plus the feel of the game improved quite a bit which quited down quite a few vocal opponents.

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Anonymous (dslc-082-082-188-052.pools.arcor-ip.net) - Reply to #591

Most OSP players won't switch for that reason. And you say the mod couldn't gain anything?

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sai - Reply to #599

Considering that those OSP players are whining over something that's easily remedied with a bit of training I'd have to say that yes, the mod isn't losing out on anything.

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User1067 - Reply to #603

Well the players are surely losing as they dont have the feeling they have fallen in love with, CPL is losing because the players are not happy and they wont get as spectacular matches as they should be because of the slower acceleration and spectators are losing for the same reason. So who actually is winning here? CPMA developer team's ego because they can force something to a game they are not even playing?

Edited by User1067 at 11:00 CDT, 21 August 2006

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Anonymous (dslc-082-082-162-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) - Reply to #603

Well, if it's only a small thing why not change it for the VQ3 players? It's no difference for CPM.

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Aaron - Reply to #582

I know what you mean and I agree with you.

You said

The net code is tied together with the fixed physics. So in order to get back your broken physics you'd have to give up the improved net code.

I honestly don't think this is true at all, considering arQon can set the CPM movement as well as CTF and NTF since they contain (or did) different movement properties.

I am pretty sure he can revert back to the BASEQ3 125 FPS properties without having to step back to FPS dependant physics thus messing with the net code. Camping Gaz made a post about it, and said it was perfectly possible and how other stuff had changed that arQon fails to mention apparently, but he never made a reply to it.

When I mean revert back I don't mean to rely on the frame rate for movement, I still mean independent physics.

Edited by ZImmerman at 18:46 CDT, 20 August 2006

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sai - Reply to #596

Right... the problem is that frame dependant physics is what gives the feel to OSP movement. It's a case of trying to save the cookie while trying to eat it at the same time.

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Aaron - Reply to #604

I doubt it does, unless you have people messing with different frame rates in game.

The feel is a load of bullshit, CPMA feels the same if not better. You just jump lower and don't seem to accelerate as much, which is a sad after you watch an BASEQ3 demo afterwards and watch a pro glide around a map. :(

<< Comment #606 @ 10:43 CDT, 21 August 2006 >>

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sai - Reply to #605

It's less about frame rate but being able to predict where players are gonna end up. Hard to do with frame-dependant physics. A lot easier if you know excatly how the physics is supposed to work.

And I'm not entirely sure what you said with "The feel is a load of bullshit, CPMA feels the same if not better.". That's kinda my point... with the physics in CPMA that's not dependant on frame rate the feel is better. The netcode is better. Lots of stuff is better because it's easier to predict for the client what's gonna happen next.

Anyway... I think we've exhausted this discussion. I'm out.

Take care and love & peace to all quakers out there :D.

<< Comment #317 @ 22:00 CDT, 14 August 2006 >>

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hnns

arqon fanboys are funny

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<< Comment #346 @ 00:45 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Durgstyler

Lame and annoying interview.

<< Comment #351 @ 01:03 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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bud

goto love the kiddywhine ^ ^

<< Comment #353 @ 01:18 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Hubster

Kevin rules. Keep it up mate.

<< Comment #355 @ 01:46 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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.syL

Comments turned out to be everything one could expect when reading the title. good thing that at least some things in life will always stay the same.

<< Comment #356 @ 01:56 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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c41

at least its got rid of that pic with winz dimlobe features....

<< Comment #357 @ 02:10 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Durgstyler

Do you consider CPMA VQ3 physics still an open question in light of the recent vows from some members of the OSP community?

No, and I never have. Do you really think I should make decisions based on the mewling of a handful of clueless halfwits just because they spam ESR with the same post a hundred times? If I did, what would happen when the next two handfuls both wanted something that conflicted with each other?

Hes going to have to eat those words sooner or later.

Also, you have to be an ass kisser if you want to gain popularity as a mod maker, wich he obviously does. Unless hes intentionally trying to kill the deathmatch community.

Edited by Durgstyler at 02:10 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Vayne - Reply to #357

Every1 is out to make there mod appeal and look good to ppl he just has different ways lol.

<< Comment #364 @ 05:07 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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obb - Reply to #357

make your own mod and you'll start to get really fed up with the community too... at least try to understand his position, spending so many hours of his life to make something just so that the people who benefit from your work can bitch at you and call you self-centered. It's probably not the wisest thing for him to react how he does but it's also very understandable.

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kmt - Reply to #364

it's understandable that he isn't suited to his current position. he lacks tolerance, is a self-confessed elitist, and has the manner of someone who would care about income over his supposed dream...oh wait.

blah blah blah show the guy some respect etc. i've got no respect for someone who cannot tolerate, no matter who they are or what medals are on their chest.

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Pushpabon - Reply to #469

Why on earth should be spend time on tolerating idiot redface asshats whining on esr or promode forums or on irc when it accomplishes nothing? He's much better off developing than listening to the same questions and whine from ospers thousand times a day.

<< Comment #516 @ 17:41 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #498

you don't have to listen to someone to tolerate them, i'm talking about his manner towards people, i think you misread. even if they are suggesting something absolutely stupid, and he's heard it 5000000 times before and explained it 5000001 times more, a person in his position does not have the right to be down-right rude to these people, or a group of people in general.

compare him to someone like the priest in aleins..someone in such high a position will never succeed to their fullest with such high self-esteem.

<< Comment #359 @ 02:50 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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DiGiTracker

Don't listen to Naghokez, he's Belgian! :D

<< Comment #372 @ 06:50 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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grimpants

brilliant interview, one of the very best here on esr I'd say

<< Comment #375 @ 07:21 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Gravgon

I like his style. He's still a bit too moderate though.

<< Comment #376 @ 07:24 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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LuGia

arQon - the last guy who trys to maintain gameplay quality.
God amongst any other gamedev.

<< Comment #395 @ 10:33 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #376

cpma's gameplay is a group project m8

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Pushpabon - Reply to #395

He probably meant in a programming / tech sense.. :/

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MaJunior - Reply to #398

he better, because I was that >.< close to killing his family

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son! - Reply to #415

damnit, just a little bit more!

<< Comment #399 @ 11:14 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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krabban

Yeh, CPM is fun :]

<< Comment #417 @ 12:28 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Veracious

Gonna be interesting to see if arQon will add the "125fps physics" option in CPMA VQ3 before or after the CPL staff decides to switch to OSP instead.

Also, would be cool if someone made a poll about this issue in esr.

Edited by Veracious at 12:32 CDT, 15 August 2006

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GreenBastard - Reply to #417

yea that would be interesting, but imo it should only be done by the players actually playing in the CPL, and only after they have read all the facts and can make a fair balanced decision.

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kmt - Reply to #417

time will tell :)

it all depends on whether CPL finalists complain about it unanemously i suppose, i haven't yet seen an opinion of anyone that's actually going to compete in CPL though.

<< Comment #426 @ 13:38 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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xoji

Great interview.

"4K^Gun : If id released CPMA as Q4 we would all play it."

http://www.promode.org/index.php3?load=comments&aid=143

So true ;)

<< Comment #429 @ 13:56 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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miya

If only the guy was more modest and polite...

<< Comment #431 @ 14:14 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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just a guy

I don't follow gaming message boards, because, at its best, entertainment is going to be a subjective thing that can't win for everyone, while at worst, a particular game just becomes a random symbol for petty tribal behavior.

<< Comment #436 @ 15:10 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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frank_garrett - Reply to #431

-jon caramel

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ManobroW

gL

<< Comment #452 @ 17:02 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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The Stig

Have to say, arQon also has a great sense of humor, he included phrases like these in his mod

Edited by The Stig at 17:04 CDT, 15 August 2006

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Drexciyian - Reply to #452

Yup thats for cpm players not vq3 players

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The Stig - Reply to #490

Didn't cpm players complain about the physics when he first introduced them?

edit: Besides if he labels his mod as CPMA/OSP and that is only directed to cpm players it's even more pathetic.

Edited by The Stig at 07:01 CDT, 16 August 2006

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funnyb - Reply to #494

that seems like such a random comment, lewl

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Drexciyian - Reply to #494

Yes they did but them worked out pretty soon it was gonna be changed and got on with it.

Its been labels cpma/osp since the mode changed from cpm to cpmA jan 2001

http://www.x101.nildram.co.uk/cpm/shot0000.jpg

This was 5? years before you could even vote vq3 gameplay, its more to do with cpm having osp code in it

Edited by Drexciyian at 07:09 CDT, 16 August 2006

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Pushpabon - Reply to #500

VQ3 in CPMA isn't THAT new addition as far as I know.

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The Stig - Reply to #500

But they did because they had no chance. What's the point of labeling something "By the players, for the players" when nothing they say is taken into account?

<< Comment #530 @ 00:38 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #508

I think 'nothing' is exaggerating it, quite a few things are taken under consideration that come from the outside. But usually, arQ and the design team are loyal to some of the criticized ideas, that they believe that the people will get over and learn to love instead. And sometimes they go back on it. Imo it's good to have a design team that isn't influenced too much by public opinion, as public opinions and suggestions are quite often rather shit.

<< Comment #595 @ 18:22 CDT, 20 August 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #530

but the promode team is made up of public people, doesn't that make their opinions public ones as well? :P

<< Comment #601 @ 20:14 CDT, 20 August 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #595

nah, the promode team is not public, much of their discussion is in private, and you need some established background to join.

<< Comment #609 @ 18:10 CDT, 21 August 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #601

i meant it in the sense that none of them having a real gaming associated job behind them, they're just number crunchers or forklift drivers (?!) that work on the mod in their spare time. they are members of the public to people like id software.

<< Comment #470 @ 21:00 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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BLUEman

How the hell do I get my HUD to look just like it did back in 1.32?

<< Comment #472 @ 21:03 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #470

look at the forum, there are like 5 threads on customized huds

<< Comment #476 @ 22:07 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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BLUEman - Reply to #472

Eff customization... I just want one goddamn command to get my shit to look like it did in the past. Nothing like that, I take it?

<< Comment #477 @ 22:28 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Aaron - Reply to #476

hmm there are some default huds i think, and some people did some OSP ones which you could download and try.

ch_file hud1

through to hud7 i think

then /reloadhud

see if any of them suit your needs

<< Comment #485 @ 00:09 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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BLUEman - Reply to #477

All of them are crap compared to the classic CPMA layout. I'll settle for the third, though.

<< Comment #496 @ 06:26 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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Anonymous (dsl-083-102-070-52.lohjanpuhelin.fi) - Reply to #485

Well had you spent 5 minutes of checking different huds on forums and copying the relevant code parts of the elements you liked you would already have your desirable hud.

<< Comment #529 @ 23:43 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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BLUEman - Reply to #496

Too lazy to do that. If one simple command won't get it back to the way I like it... I won't even bother. Heh... I can't even really be bothered to play any games these days... except for Mario Kart on the DS.

<< Comment #471 @ 21:02 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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AK

the rail jump is easy now

<< Comment #474 @ 21:37 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Schlitzi

hahahah, so it really was arQon watching the ggl minicomp games :o, i thought someone aliased as him and just wanted attention :) At least i told him i like him for makin q4max, but not too much for cpma :P

<< Comment #495 @ 06:24 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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Liam - Reply to #474

Yeah but your view on life seems to be a little skewed considering you referred to "g0d-missy" as a "cunt" specifically because she was a girl playing q3, you sad, sad twat.

<< Comment #519 @ 17:53 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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Schlitzi - Reply to #495

Ok mr. internet gangsta, you seem like the internet police. A PRETTY TOUGH GUY huh? calling me a twat mhhh. LOL, you are sad man. Mind your own sh*t and dont act like you are the e-thug hero, that keeps order and peace. SAD NEWB, you are R-A-P-E-D

<< Comment #531 @ 00:39 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #519

Jebus, just STFU.

<< Comment #535 @ 01:40 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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[master] - Reply to #519

Easy raged ;)

<< Comment #539 @ 06:50 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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Liam - Reply to #519

Yeah what I said was total gangsta shit yo, penny for the person who can name what 50 cent song I ripped it from.

On the plus side you didn't absolutely prove my point or anything.

<< Comment #598 @ 19:57 CDT, 20 August 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #539

50c is far from a gangster :D

<< Comment #482 @ 23:19 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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Trotsky

I think Arqon is harsh and excessively coarse, and probably a croaking old man.

That said, he's excused as he's provided us with what might have been only moderate amounts of happy time in solitary pursuit of video game excellence.

Just kidding! He's wasted too much of his time and talent for a piddling computer game, but conceives a higher status because of it (taking all the liberties of swearing and such). Sorry, Mr. Wilson, you're excesses shouldn't be revered, and being a vulgar mutt isn't going to reverse the aging process. Croak, old cranky man.

You are holding the Quake Nation back! \o/ \o/ \o/

<< Comment #483 @ 23:21 CDT, 15 August 2006 >>

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netrex - Reply to #482

I don't see what swearing has to do with any thing, ever.

<< Comment #491 @ 03:33 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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Drexciyian

Ha still funny all you vq3 players acting like he changed the physics just to fuck with vq3 players, the physics changed like 3 years ago now, most cpm players moaned and most older playeers would like the physics back, id love the old code cos i suck at jumps and te bugged code allowed me to do many jumps i cant do now cos im to lazy to learn them again :D

<< Comment #509 @ 15:25 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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bud - Reply to #491

egd xD

<< Comment #507 @ 14:49 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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mew

disliking a game because you dislike the man behind it...
my brain hurts. :( thats like not eating good food cos the cook is a meanie.

<< Comment #517 @ 17:45 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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rolf - Reply to #507

soup nazi

<< Comment #586 @ 05:59 CDT, 20 August 2006 >>

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lepow - Reply to #517

Seinfeld ftw!

<< Comment #587 @ 06:05 CDT, 20 August 2006 >>

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rolf - Reply to #586

: )

<< Comment #520 @ 18:04 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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kmt - Reply to #507

that's because you're usually scared that the cook has poisoned the food :P

<< Comment #511 @ 16:09 CDT, 16 August 2006 >>

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outlaw

"There were games in the GGL minicomp YESTERDAY that were far more entertaining that anything that happened at ESWC/etc two years ago: the only difference is they won't be trumpeted as "GRATEST GAEM EVAH" by fanboys who can't bring themselves to admit that someone getting a 1-0 lead on ZTN and then running away for 14 minutes isn't "strategic brilliance", it's tedium."

Was he talking about the mini-comp that I won?

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gluk

:)

Regarding that comment: 'someone getting a 1-0 lead on ZTN... isn't strategic brilliance", it's tedium'.
Really makes me think that arqon had bad experience playing OSP players. Kept tragically losing 0:1 all the time? Had bad matches on ZTN in particular?
He clearly prefers aim-based matches and prefers aiming to be easier... Probably the roots are there, bad matches versus OSP players. But nevermind. Does all of that aim thing ring a bell? Sounds like cpm, yes. Sounds like q4! Oh my, I'm on the verge of fainting :). So, with all these little changes, with the game that's entertaining for HIM to watch, q3 is slowly turning into what? Easy to guess, we know his preferences!
Common sense dictates that you should never regard one man's opinion as an ultimate one. Especially if that one man openly hates the community he's 'working' for and, which is more important, hasn't played q3 for years (apart from cpm, but that's a different game).
But, surely, noone cares for community to get a say in this business. No polls, no nothing. And noone cares, including many members of said community? How pathetic esports is at the moment.

Edited by gluk at 19:00 CDT, 16 August 2006

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paLmen - Reply to #523

How is it easyer to Rail/shaft somone who is moveing alot faster with air controle, then it is to aim at somone who is moveing slow without air controle?

Few posts up ther is a VQ3 dude that complained about CPM beeing crap becous a aim player wouldent win every fight becous of the armor system. And here you are saying that CPM is all aim.

And VQ3 isent turning into anything new, the movement takes more skill, but works the same way when you master it. Same slow ass speed with no air controle and same weapon switch. CPMA is the best mod for VQ3 and if you dont like it play OSP (ther is still alot of OSP server around, so it wont be a problem for you).

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Anonymous (dslc-082-082-175-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) - Reply to #526

People are going on to play OSP that way, yes. The split hurts the fps-community a lot. That's the problem. I think everyone agrees to have one mod for all players is a good idea, which would help the community. However, not listening to the VQ3 crowd and spitting on them everytime possible by arQon won't help anyone. He's not the one to dictate what people have to play. Can't you see that?

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paLmen - Reply to #536

He dident dictate what peapol hafto play... noone did. CPL on the other hand dictated that if you want to compet in CAL or CPL you hafto use CPMA. arQ dident force CPL to pick CPMA, and he never forced anyone to play anything.

If somone is to blame for CPMA beeing used over OSP and by doing so spliting the communety it is CPL. Not the peapol that are trying to fix the all the buggs and the crap in the game.

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gluk - Reply to #526

>How is it easyer to Rail/shaft somone who is moveing alot faster >with air controle
Well, just check the numbers at the end of your own matches. I can get amazing aim percentage in CPM, which is never the same in OSP. Instant weapon switch does the trick.

>Few posts up ther is a VQ3 dude that complained about CPM >beeing crap becous a aim player wouldent win every fight becous >of the armor system. And here you are saying that CPM is all aim.
And bless the armour system, otherwise the mathes would ALWAYS be something like 40:0.

>if you dont like it play OSP
That's what I do.

The community must be listened to, though. I'm not talking about myself in particular, but of everyone. Basically, right now anyyone who dares to speak up against the 'god' will be called a brainless idiot. On which premises? Megalomania?

Edited by gluk at 09:32 CDT, 17 August 2006

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paLmen - Reply to #543

So i aim better with the shaft becous i can change away from it fasters? (and i aim better in VQ3 then i do in CPM.. i find it way easyer to hit somone who is movieng slow then it is to hit somone who is moveing fast. Rail is way easyer in VQ3 imo).

Yes the armor system own, but the point i was trying to make is that half of the "CMP sux" peapol is bashing CPM becous it is all aim, and the other half is bashing it becous the aim dosent mather as much as it dose in VQ3.

Read comment 543 by voodoochopstiks a few post up about the last thing

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #560

You could explain the higher percentages with that people aren't caught with the wrong weapon up and have to make an attempt to fire anyway(like getting ambushed from 1m distance while having the rail up). This doesn't happen in CPM, it does in vq3.

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voodoochopstiks - Reply to #560

534, not 543.

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Anonymous (anonymisa-tor.org)

It's little wonder id prefer to work more closely with teams like GTR. Arqon epitomizes the arrogant american.

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Liam - Reply to #538

Yeah total arrogant American, just like me, apparently we're both fans of THE RED CROSS THOUGH.

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gluk - Reply to #540

You're mistaken, arqon is only doing what he's doing to get 'fame'. There can be no other reasons, as he hates vq3 and regrets that CPL didn't choose CPM. There are fake red cross fans in the world, too, you know...

<< Comment #547 @ 12:01 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #545

Where can I learn to be a telepath like you??!

<< Comment #563 @ 04:58 CDT, 18 August 2006 >>

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Liam - Reply to #545

Am I missing something or did you completely miss everything?

7%

<< Comment #554 @ 15:25 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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Lisk

I'd like if he left vq3 like it is but created a new core gameplay called "OSP" with 7dmg mg and osp125fps strafes.
As it's not vq3, but people want it.

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Liam - Reply to #554

The funny thing being that if you made a mod, you wouldn't implement CPM gameplay because you don't like it, but you insult him for doing the same only in reverse? Just 'cause it comes with Q3 doesn't mean it holds any special meaning. I like VQ3 too, but he doesn't and yet he still listens to what people say, except for things like the physics, the original ones were bugged, to get shit to work properly you have to work around that and the whole thing ends up being a buggy piece of shit that is more hassle than it's worth. You don't want the old physics, what you all want is increased jump height, you just don't know what you want because you have no fucking grasp of what FPS independent physics mean.

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gluk - Reply to #555

>if you made a mod, you wouldn't implement CPM gameplay >because you don't like it, but you insult him for doing the same
Hmm. I don't understand. So if I made a mod I wouldn't implement CPM gameplay, but he made a mode and later did implement something that he claims to be OSP gameplay, but which is not exactly OSP. That sort of means that he isn't doing 'the same', but quite an opposite thing.
And... Was I insulting?!

Yeltsin
Do you think that bad opinion of another Russian will make me cry?:) No, I'm not a telepath, just someone who isn't blissfully blind. Open your eyes, please, and you won't need ESP.

Edited by gluk at 16:37 CDT, 17 August 2006

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Demiurge ' - Reply to #557

Listen, if you can't read, you should stop posting.
"he claims to be OSP gameplay, but which is not exactly OSP."
This is made up. He never claimed to have created OSP gameplay, rather continued to support VQ3 gameplay. Do you need this in Russian so you can understand?

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gluk - Reply to #564

Lol. It's been posted on this very site that cpm vq3 is 'your plain vanilla gameplay with cool new features' or something carrying the same meaning, in the poll. Remember? Probably I should really start posting in Russian, you'd have a better chance to understand, too :)

<< Comment #565 @ 07:31 CDT, 18 August 2006 >>

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Lisk - Reply to #555

I play CPM and it seems that you misunderstood me.

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Liam - Reply to #565

You're right, I misread your post, I apologise :).

Pretty much take the post and apply it to some other post in this thread where I'm sure it fits :).

Wow... I really badly misread your post now that I read it again, must've just skimmed it, sorry.

<< Comment #568 @ 18:01 CDT, 18 August 2006 >>

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Lisk - Reply to #567

good ^_^

<< Comment #561 @ 22:20 CDT, 17 August 2006 >>

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Anonymous (ni.scs.ryerson.ca)

pfft osp or cmpa or <insert bs mod title> all claim to be for the players. Think about what this does to the community as a whole. The segmentation that this creates is nearly enough justification for id to remove the tools from our hands. It was these tools that made fps games so big since the doom days (prior even). The irony that it seems to be these same tools splitting the community, again and again.

I'm crap at <insert vanilla game here>, so I think I'll make a mod to suit me so I can peform better. Then if it doesn't get used by everyone I'll get a huge chip on my shoulder. Go and buy a fucking barbie and get different costumes to suit your mood/day and leave the game engines alone.

<< Comment #566 @ 10:02 CDT, 18 August 2006 >>

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MaJunior - Reply to #561

baseq3 ftw!

<< Comment #570 @ 22:51 CDT, 18 August 2006 >>

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paLmen - Reply to #561

Dose it realy mather what mod somone is playeing? If somone is playing a mod of the game you like you should be happey. The more players that are playing a game the better, becous it makes the game bigger and that brings fresh blood to the game.

I rather have 5000 players in 10 mods then 1000 players in 1 mod.

And most games suck ass without a mod.

<< Comment #572 @ 00:33 CDT, 19 August 2006 >>

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FLAcK

Great interview!

A new GUI for Q3?!? thats AWESOME!!!

<< Comment #574 @ 06:00 CDT, 19 August 2006 >>

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Lisk - Reply to #572

it WAS on the todo list forever, just low prioroty :)

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FLAcK - Reply to #574

must have been low LOW priority then.

It will be really nice to see what arQon and the guys can come up with. :)

Edited by FLAcK at 00:23 CDT, 20 August 2006

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jal

Sometimes I wonder if only those of us who remember how nice the Quake(X) scene was before CPM can understand the goods and bads of their constant presence.

<< Comment #580 @ 13:58 CDT, 19 August 2006 >>

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ix - Reply to #577

Yes it's all CPM's fault and it's totally unlike every other NetQuake vs QW, QW vs Q2, Q1/2 vs Q3, Q3 vs CS and Q3 vs Q4. I mean you totally don't find carbon copy comments and all those communities absolutely don't believe with a religious zeal that their choice is the best.

And 1950s America was all happy apple pie! \o/