- cl_yawspeed and cl_pitchspeed have been cheat protected to their default values.

How exactly can you cheat with that?

With various rocket jump scripts. See this example of link1n.

heh, had no idea that kind of script was done with yaw and pitch :o

I thought that the commands were cheat protected already. So this update came as a surprise. I wonder if thats the secret to why he RJ so skillfully across all CTF maps or if its skill this time around. :P

time will show

haha, what a stupid movie
though im glad they removed the ability to use rj scripts

does a ninja-script give such a significant advantage?

It allows you to flawlessly and _consistently_ execute various CTF RJs.

yes! it completely changes how ctf offense is played.

I'm totally neutral here, but if game allows such variety of console cvars, why it is seen as a cheat?

maybe because movement, aim and the like should be done by the player, not by a script

But it is done.. I mean look, player is so clever that instead of moving the mouse around and timing the mouse-click(s). He takes some time and effort to figure out somekind of script that allows him to do the same thing faster and better, even more decreasing the possibility of harm to the gameplay. Isn't that players-input too?

Your argument fails when you copy/paste this genius idea to your config and do the same that acutally requires a lot of timing and skill to do consistantly.

I totally agree with you there. I personally havent used any rj scripts for a long time, I preffer doing it natural all the way :). Besides it allows more variety for ones imagination/creation, thus not beeing limited by the specific scripts when choosing a route (out of situation X). But still, you could somehow consider that as a one way of doing thigs, movement, etc. in a particular game.

by your argument, if the player studied enough to write an aimbot, it's still player input.
Slippery slope and all that.

in the end it isnt. because

a.) he could've just downloaded the script, so no personal accomplishment involved
b.) any process that is handled automatically instead of manual player input removes the possibilities of errors etc.
c.) movement is part of the skillset a player has to have, any automated help is thus n unfair advantage

But then again..

a) Lets say I made the script for whatever action. So I put it online, people share their configuration files all the time, shouldn't that be bad too.
b) please read my purris reply. Scripts still have their flaws.
c) One may move with his fingers, hands the other with his brain and creativity.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to prove script kiddies here, just that if game allows these things and one can come up with an idea, why not.

because all other cvars merely change the feel/look/responsiveness of the game and don't actually DO something for you. the philosophy in quake games is not "uh-uh let's make something really difficult to see because it's such a skill to change hardware monitor settings or have bad eyez" bullshit, it's about configuring the visual environment to your likings within boundaries set by the devs, and then play with your own skill in that environment. we don't do the WoW macro crap with "omgz I got the same 10 boring things to do anyway so let's make a script to do it in 1 keypress" automation either. if you put in a lot of time and research and coding effort into making a movement/aim script, then wow congratulations you're a good scripter but not necessarily a good player. what we want to see on regular servers is player's skill and not scripting skills.

stop thinking like a retard.
WAT IF THA PLAYER CODES THA AIMBOT; THEN OK YES YES YES?

could say the same about aimbots, as long as the user took time and coded it himself, it should be allowed?

I see you and vium have my point covered. I didn't mean to get redundant. Glad we all saw that the same way, though.

No. It isn't.

you can execute movements with a script you could have never done without it. we had this (rather heated) discussion when the first (?) ctf eurocup was around.

You cought my attention with this: "...you could have never done without it".

Hmm, on television and news all they tell us is that - Look scientists invented somekind of "timemachine" (again) - and we can do things we never imagined before... Isn't that supposed to be good.
Same here, if scripts bring the game into the new dimension, let people use them.
I bet this may become just another heated discussion here, I'd rather mute myself here :). But do you know if you have/know any evidence of that ctf eurocup discussion left? You can pm me the link to the forum or something, I would gladly find it and read about it, thanks.

we don't have a discussion. forward rj scripts are as of now impossible to execute in quakelive.

seeing as i already went through a similar discussion years ago i have little interest to talk this through with you again. your examples are hilarious anyway and i get the impression you never played with/against a fw rj script in q3ctf.

instead of a discussion try to get old(er) q3ctf demos of [eye]doo he perfected the use of scripts back then.

These scripts replace a very valued skill that partially defines how good a player is (especially in CTF) with a robotic action that everyone performs equally well. They leave us less things to appreciate in Quake players.

Bad excuse for a link1n fragmovie.

the f is ninjascript

See above reply.

another fail update... CONGRATS

I wouldn't say that. It made the game slightly better.

they add these no needed things only to show their BOSS that they WORK.. its not for us ( quake community )

I wouldn't necessary say that. The bug fixes are surely needed.

yeah they needed but we need more important things atm like gtv new < NEW maps kk no gtv atm because its to hard for them... but maps... if they wouldnt do these "needed" updates we would have 1-2 new maps each week... and dude dont lie to yourself... you and me know what we REALLY need atm

Yes, we really need new maps. But I really think they are working on that, I refuse to believe otherwise. I too think they are too late when it comes to releasing new maps, but they will come (next update, please id?).

yeah.. well... lets hope atleast...

though i'd like to say already about 5 update ago i was hoping they are working on new maps, starting to lose faith

i'm gonna iM you now because im bored

Oh my god... that IM was beautiful. Wanna engage in brutal butt sex with me? =O__|__\,__|

you, me, a tube of vaseline and some muse <3?

Forget the vaseline, I like it burning. Otherwise it sounds good.

can i watch?

Yes you may. But no touching.

aw man, dont tease me!

They have a very small team so things take time.

excuses wont make the game better

How do you know they arent working on matters like GTV but they arent ready for release yet? In the meantime we are getting minor updates to improve the game.

do YOU believe that they working on gtv? :)

Tbh no not at the moment. But im sure it will come at some point.

but maps... if they wouldnt do these "needed" updates we would have 1-2 new maps each week...

Cos obviously just what QL needs is coder created maps.

Mappers and coders are generally two different sets of people, so making these code changes has zero impact on the time they spend mapping.... you would never want to play on a map I created, trust me :)

why they dont accept help from community mappers then?

Because they are an evil company and they don't want us to have fun.

id Software only has one mapmaker for Quake Live. It's not like you can make a new map every week. As for the old existing maps I believe that there are lots of copyright issues at hand.

making a good map in one week is doable if you're supposedly doing it as a fulltime/paid job...

Actually we don't have any mappers atm. Method got pulled onto Rage.

:<

gimme back some plusses!

so no one new map?

Sponsored community map contest + sponsored tournament played on winning maps + 2GD@ESL shout casting. Costs less than hiring a professional, and might produce more maps.

This idea has been brought up several times already. And yeah, it's a very good way of getting new AND good maps.

Awesome. id, get cracking on this :P

wow :(

Noooooooo....

Wasnt the zenimax buyout supposed to improve the resources on QL? Say one thing, do another? :p

He's began working on Rage prior to the acquisition.

But wasnt the zenimax buyout supposed to improve the resources on QL? Say one thing, do another? :p

i don't understand why the critical updates like netcode and new maps and a few competition features seem to have such low priorities for id software. wouldn't it be wise to address these points while the playerbase is as big as it is now?

i mean, several people i know won't play the game due to the random hits and misses that occur from time to time and other people might get frustrated waiting for these things adn leave the game for good.

there needs to be something done over in texas.

and if you don't have a mapper, the proposals already mentioned- a community mapping contest sposored by id and the forcing of the new and hopefully good winner maps (maybe decided by a public vote) should be the first thing to do. you can't get these maps easier AND cheaper.

win win

q4 all over again ;>

pretty bad :(

i hope you guys fix it and contract some new/other mapper.

wasn't he working on a duel map? what happened to that

wtf? :X

what we really need is for you to fuck off

whine harder kid wahahahaha

So what you are saying is that you'd rather play with full of all these little bugs game with tons of features. Rather than one that has some minor bugs and with no extra-fun-features?
By the way.. new maps don't usually come within 1 week. It takes way more time than that.

Other than that.. good to see the "stairs" beeing taken care of.

ton of features? ah plz... what extra fun features they added? some new awards? no... btw who need awards? noobs... noobs come we rape them and they go to next game where they hopefully can win... do u dont remember 6 maps in 6 weeks? also worked 1 map per week...we need atleast 1 map for ctf and 2-3 maps for tdm aka osp 5 6 cpm4 and this all can be done in 1-2 weeks... they can do it but they just dont care about what community wants/thinks...they better progress 10 times slower as possible but they do it without community help... btw u sayed that u play CTF from q1 and u talking such noob things...dude u r noob or u just stupid sry

I think you are getting way too high expectations on ID. And yes there are plenty of features in QL at the moment. Just have a look into the console variables. Yes, I remember the '6 maps in 6 weeks' news - thats over now. Time to focus on other section(s) of the game, not only maps. Map is only 1 small part of the game. And if you think they don't give a thing about communitys reactions, thoughts, suggestions then please have a look at SyncErrors message in QL forums under the Suggestion section.
And yes, unfortunately for you I have way more knowledge about ctf than you. Though I don't have any idea what this has to do with my previous post, rather than you just beeing an asshole and calling everyone a newbie. Thats sad.

dude....maps r 50% of the game...no maps no game... understend?i dont call everyone newbie i called u... a noob...noob not newbie...2 deifferent things...noob is a new to game and newbie is player with middle skill AND if someone call u newbie u dont need to feel sad about it....but u acting like NOOB who see some mirror fixes or new awards and start to say OMG OMG this game r0x... its QUAKE 3 1999y. understend? no? if not then its rly SAD... if ID r smart enough then our critic gonna move them forward if not they gonna kill this game 4eva

noob is a new to game and newbie is player with middle skill AND if someone call u newbie u dont need to feel sad about it....

Best quote ever.

lolz


"yerkoff" ownz, too :D

im proud that u like it

Is it only me or I think this guy is beeing a yerkoff? Please fix your keyboard man, I don't understand what you are saying there. But nevertheless.. would you please be so kind of quote me where I wrote the "OMG OMG this game r0x.." ? I can't recall. I really doubt that you ever made a map in any game, so it can be concluded that you have no knowledge about that too. Sad x2.

dont feel bad that u were kiked from our clan ze magic q1 ctf player :D gg

Yeah, kicked without even beeing told about it. Heck.. not mentioning the reason for such unexcpected decision - not that I care anymore. I'm so desperate now.. my meaning of life is slipping away, oh no..
I had fun time beeing in that clan, glad I could help members with my knowledge & tips. I think the only problem in that clan was you, the "I know anything about everything" man.
No more post feeding for this troll.. your posts are beeing so pathedic and lacking of arguments and logic. And I don't want to turn this thread into some kind of 1vs1 here.

u already did...self owned

You mister, are owning yourself here.

u mister ID asslicker own urself so hardly.. i raped u with cmnt 51 where u cant reply because then u gonna own urself again...u dont wanna believe that noobs and community isnt same as u think or wanna think.... u acting like this sync who answering only to questions what he like to answer gg kid

What are you talking about? You're giving yourself a really bad image.

bad image? where? on ESR? in internet? dude dont make me laugh more

In fact youre the one giving us tons of laughs, keep the good work!

try harder

noob is a new to game and newbie is player with middle skill

rofl

is that like, a fact?

lo u 2

Ive found a couple of definitions in the urbandictionary, this is the one i think is more accurate.

"A "noob" is a person who is new or inexperienced in a subject, usually an online game. Noobs are usually annoying and excessively stupid. Do not confuse noobs with newbs, who are inexperienced players that tend to be more mature and strive to become better. "

In which of those categories would you put FRAGERR? I would go for "usually annoying and excessively stupid."

eastern europeans dont respond well to logic

if you want to win an argument with one, you have to throw feces at him

Remember that the only way id Software will continue supporting this game and future similar products is if they actually earn money.

If they lose their core player base which is the casual players they will lose alot of potential advertising revenue.

So in essence, if you don't want id to stop working on this game you should cater for the so called "noobs" that you rape.

I for one want to play a game with a wide player base. Recall that we need those newbies to actually become the pros of the future. If Quake Live doesn't have a big influx of new players then it won't have any new professionals either. In time they'll just stop playing and there will be no new players to carry the torch.

these "noobs" come and go... mb 1/10 stay in our community... how much in numbers is playing this game every day wihout fakes from 1 ip? 1k ppl? how much registered ? 1mil ?understend what i mean?

I'm not going to middle with your frustration. But we don't need ospdm5/6/cpm4 etc.

well then NEW maps...but we need it asap

I don't know about that, cpm4 ftw :(

nice to see some bugfixes

just another "wonderful" update...

FIX the netcode... we are still waitin'

This. Pretty please,with sugar on top! :)

wonder if id is holding the actual improvements back for a big update when they go out of beta

that would probably be one of the stupidest things id have ever done and there are quite a few (*cough* Q4 to Raven).

well either that or syncerror is the only one coding and doing the community stuff ;)

probaly holding them for premium

I'm happy about the stairs fixes. Good job.

I don't even know what it amounts to. I haven't tried the new patch yet however. Is it really gameplay changing?

not much but it does

One instance where I got this problem often is dm13, at the central ya, when you jump the little stairs to go to the elevated central area. A lot of time the jump was not registered.

ur doing it wrong meme :P

:D

Nice update. A minor one but GJ anyway.

Next should be sound fix ;<

Is there any word about if they are even making a GTV? Last I heard was that they were not doing it because people would not tune in for the crappy streams, which means 3rd parties couldnt get advertising money and would be less likely to buy id's lan scam package.

If that is the case, thats one more reason for 99% of the players to hope this esports thingy would die and fast.

If you want to "push esports forward", it's essential that folks can organize national tournaments with gtv coverage to make the local heros known to their community. Then you send those guys, who already have local following, to the international tournaments and you get a lot bigger audience of people who might not have been interested in following it otherwise.

idd

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i hope noone ever listens to anything you say about quake tdm. t6 and removal of pro tdm? stfu :)

a lot of the stuff people cry for provide no real use for the majority of users and so shouldnt be the priority i.e. gtv (there are streams...

You mean, streams where you couldn't even see player names until they made special streaming HUD with super-big font?
If they want to fulfill the needs of broadcasters, they could make GTV with video overlay and audio commentary, but the in-game graphics must be rendered, not streamed.

id like to see some 2v2 servers/lock/whatever so i could play tdm with friends without needing 7 other or deal with random joins ;p

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a quake server isn't a 'physical server' (?). most of the time several instances run on one computer. in other words... two 2on2 server would be equal to the load of one 4on4 server. so i don't really see the problem.

edit: there already are private servers with the exact features you want btw.

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i don't think people would play less when a new gamemode gets introduced. personally i'd play a lot more because 2on2 is my favourite way of playing quake :) i doubt i'm alone here too.

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2on2 is a new/different gamemode unlike 3on3 which is somewhat like 4on4. you show your lack of basic knowledge of quake tdm once again.

it's that simple... 2on2 means you need 4 people to play = much easier to organize than to do the same with 8. in another words: more organized games will take place which is what we need to sustain a steady playerbase. besides random everyone-has-all-the-guns public just sucks :/

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let me rephrase: you know fuck all about quake.

well i gotta agree with zealot :p if there was an option to play 2v2 i would have 3-4 more friends playing on a regular basis since theyre not interested in jumping around with 7-15 other random ppl in ffa/tdm..so far im losing interest as well due to this, random duels sometimes mixed with friend just wont cut it
i quite frankly doubt that ability to play with a small group of friends would have negative impact on a playerbase.. (which basically leads to zealots organized games argument)

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actually i cant.. tried the gather with friends and it just doesnt start.. i checked other finished gathers and it seems others have the same problem because they were leaving after few mins

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lol what you think? we were 4 in a 2v2 match..all ready - i click on flashing "start" button and... nothing happens

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then im forced to call you a british cunt :(

no offense dird, but honestly you seem to have no fucking clue about quake tdm at all

- if we stick to the logic of your scenarios about how many players sponsors will potentially reach, then the best gametype would obviously be 999vs999 players pubTDM with weaponstay on RA3 maps, how come id hasn't included that yet???
- 2v2 on tdm server with 5th guy joining breaks team balance anyway, what's the point in this? 2v2 + 1 guy quitting = 4 happy people, 2v2 + 1 guy joining = 1 happy guy?
- e.g. cpmpickup has 5 servers running on 1 machine without any performance problems
- 4v4 is generally more macro less micro than 2v2 simply because there's more players and more stuff going on, and you can assign certain players to certain key areas and sometimes just stick to that
- 2v2 requires a lot of coordination as you need to control the map and key items with only 2 players, can't just put 1 game on dm6 rail all game long for example, only ever got 1 mate as backup, create lots of gaps in the map if you're not well coordinated where the enemy could counter attack and get positional advantage on you, ... hell, just watch a fucking tdm and then a 2v2 demo? 2v2 looks more like 1v1 than 4v4

and for the love of god, stop trying to turn tdm with its item and area control elements into ca, because that's what you get if you play teams against each other with no other objective than eliminating the other team's players. stick to simpler modes if you don't want to get deeper into tdm.

I have not yet considered the impact of such a change to the gameplay that would be, but what about those rockets that don't hurt you, even at your feet, when there's a little step up ?

You know when firing a rocket at the dm6 stairs where an enemy is, it often turns out to make no damage at all.

I don't really know if that would be a good fix or not, just curious what people think about that :)

still people can fake with their nick names. Do u wanna an demo example? Msg /me

Give proper scoreboard!

great

stairs feel crap

now it feels crap ? after update fix?

they were fine before the update

well...crap..i guess well have to wait another week for it to get fixed :/

stairs now make you lose speed (cg_speedometer 2 :P), and it feels very different.

nonetheless on qlive there´re no maps in which this is crucial, like in q3wcp1. With this update they killed any hope of seeing playable japanese castles :(

Agreed :(
Just feels horrible now, almost like lots of stuttering, and you can't move up them as fast also i think. Feels really, really bad on a 120hz CRT, but not so bad on a 60 hz lcd ( I have both on my desk)

Yeah, agreed. It feels twitchy going up them now, I don't see the advantage of it.

can't be arsed to read the thread

but, the yaw and pitch lock. you get set a value in the config which you then can't change when in game? this would be much better than having a default value that cannot be changed at all. doesn't CPMA do this?

it still prevents movement scripts

yeah

my ninja script doesn't work in cpma! i had to actually learn to rj

good to see you start improving stairs. i hope you will smooth new "overjumping" feature next time by EV_STEP or something else and will fix speed loss, caused by it, mb by delayed friction like cripple effect but with at least normal accel.

The speedmeter is too accurate for my taste. (the displayed value)

Does that means that when you're moving on stairs shots gets where you aimed ?

yes. or at least, they seem to go reasonably close now

what's the speedometer for? Do I get a ticket for speeding???

hehe joke

:l

good one

you can be the next Louie Anderson

Sorry, this is yet another dismal and unimpactful update from id Software. We need more maps (CTF, duel), and private servers. Yet they give us a speedometer..............I mean, they should quit wasting time on meaningless JUNK like a speedometer and focus on the important things that will actually improve the game. I honestly think this game is going to fail because the community can not contribute maps or mods. Relying on id software thus far has been dissapointing. Sigh...it is a good game too.

How about LAN Support? Better netcode? I live in Florida and can not ping under 65 to ANY server. best I can do is 65 ping in Atlanta. Major annoyance.

I ping 30 to Atl from Miami. lol, maybe it's time to upgrade your isp.

That doesnt means its a netcode problem. Either your ISP sux, your neighbor is "using" your wireless, dont know but ping, except very rare cases like excesively low bandwith caps, is independent from netcode. What everybody blames on netcode is, for example, strange rails hitting.

maybe he wants id to lay new cables to his house and call it "LAN support" *shrug*

priority list that everyone wants (except id it seems):
-hubaeroq3
-netcode
-fix stairs, from sept 29th update (see #79 and #95)


edit: "QUAKE LIVE will go down shortly at 4pm CDT (one hour from now) to apply a small update."
Wed Sep 30 20:02:55 +0000 2009

'Everyone'

You can exclude me automaticly when it comes to old maps :)

putting old maps in ql -> new maps will be rarely played -> new maps wont be voted into competition mappool -> new maps will be played less than ever or they just wont be played anymore.

t7/9 are rarely played... I think t7 and t9 wont be played at all if quakecon didnt put them into their mappool

t7/9 are good maps!

they are bad maps, but best from newone. so.. but they are realy crap as shit!..

exactly

t9 especially is a horrible gimmick map

it's also a dc map so it's not really 'new'

they are bad maps because you dont want to spend time to learn them. lol
every new map will have the same destiny! thats a fact

i played this map a lot, i dont say its ubbe ubber shit for duel as CA2, but its dont have feeling and with respawn system , its even not playable.. :)

I literally just DON'T GET IT

From id software:
"In addition to this important fix is included a small client-side option, for those who really like to customize their personal game environment, that allows you to set the length of time weapon impact marks are drawn in the environment. Players who currently have marks enabled (cg_marks 1), can now shorten the length of time impact marks are drawn using cg_impactMarkTime. This value currently defaults to '10000', or 10 secs."

For F*ck's Sake, why in the world are you guys wasting your time on impact mark time cvars? ID is focusing on the smallest, trivial things that no one cares about and not addressing the things that actually matter. Each week there are more dumb new cvars for editing things no one cares about and they do not address the real problems of the game.

Probably because it was super easy to make it and it's just another "feature" their design committees offered at their weekly meetings.

Also, where you at in Florida, anon?

Programmer's disease, i.e. do moderately simple stuff , play with variables, define new little properites. And stay away from anything that might have you change the structure of the program.

FYI the new stair jumping was never supposed to be 'jittery', it's just that the smoothing didnt make it in time for tuesday's update, so you will have to deal with it until next week.

how do you know?

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showpost.php?p...stcount=12

its a lie. no update happened :(
So I guess the stair/step code will remain at the current stage. Like the xerp code and so on...

yawn.

Southwest FL

They need to revert back the SG changes, its way too good in TDM again :/

Site Update - Sept. 30th

YAY! cg_impactMarkTime

bunch of moaners..
just accept the fact the big updates are going to take longer. at least we know they are working on them, read the dev blogs if u think otherwise.

as for maps, i prefer if they take long and make good ones, than rush them and give us shit.

Dev blogs dont mean shit if we dont see actual results

2 years and the netcode is still broken

There's a difference between taking a long time and taking too long. The latter causes people to stop playing due to stagnating mappool and lack of important fixes that would make the game a lot more enjoyable, and that's bad.

as i said in the ql forum, i wish that the weapon marks stayed longer than 10 seconds, for 30-60 seconds maybe.

ok i found sync errors answere
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showpost.php?p...stcount=17