Have in mind that I'm not the founder of this method. Source is qlded.

It's a trap!

use the double click method in w1nd0ws

what isn’t supported:
– punkbuster

Not having PB can be considered a feature.

qll = this? http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/sourceforge/q/pr....i686.html

http://qlded.wordpress.com/

:O

[+]

cool, is it possible to run custom maps on them like this one: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1765740 ?

I think that is possible, although it would be necessary that both parties have those maps. Won't hurt if you try it out.

yes it is, we've been playing aerowalk few days now =)

how do we find these private servers, just out of curiosity :P

... and *that* is precisely why this kind of private server is a bad idea.

This is good news for QL!

who cares about punkbuster when we can play offline \o/

Awesome! Thanks for relaying this info!

Edit:
Also, would people be willing to pay say, five pounds a month ( or a small fee) in order to have this sort of feature in the quakelive website available for you to use when you've subscribed? Just curious...

Paying 5 pounds/month for such a feature would mean paying twice as much a year for QL compared to what I paid for Q3, when it was brand new in 2000, and I got those features for free included in the price for Q3. 1 euro/month is more realistic IMO.

Fair enough :)

nobody seeing a problem with this?

I dont feel right about doing this to game developers, but since Poland lacks good servers, and many nations dont even have any at all, this maybe a way out.

Regarding polish servers, they set most of them on the node that isnt connected to main polish isp, so majority of people got their signal going to Germany, then Czech, and then back to Poland. There are literraly 2 playable polish servers hosted normaly, so people has to use German ones. Interesingly you cant spawn them (only the poor ones), so even for Intel GameOn cups we had to use some German servers.

17:12:02 <SyncError > We're banning the people that are running the servers
17:12:10 <SyncError > and were deciding what to do about the players that join them.

fascists

yeah duh...

What a huge faggot :D

yeee... ignore us... idiots

Haven't seen him saying anything like that at #quakelive, checked the logs. Must be one of those fakes that have been seen in the past (faked update news etc).

17:09:25 <yakautza > hey sync
17:09:38 <yakautza > we were told by some ql admin that its "ok"
17:09:45 <yakautza > nothing id will encourage
17:09:50 <yakautza > but they dont care either
17:10:38 <yakautza > im the headadmin of #qlpickup.de and started the whole thing, but i checked before
17:10:52 <yakautza > timmo or whats his name was - i could check logs when im back at home
17:11:47 <SyncError > That's absolutely not what we said in the office on Friday
17:12:01 <yakautza > i were not on that office :)
17:12:02 <SyncError > We're banning the people that are running
17:12:10 <SyncError > and were deciding what to do about the players that join them.
17:12:16 <yakautza > ah ok
17:12:23 <yakautza > but thats new, right?
17:12:37 <SyncError > No
17:12:46 <yakautza > ill quit it right away, it was not ment to harm idsoftware or anything
17:13:16 <SyncError > If TTimo said anything to you, maybe paste it to me so that I can sort it out with him.
17:13:23 <SyncError > But no one should be joining those.
17:13:44 <SyncError > We only have 3 names that were permitted to join them
17:13:51 <SyncError > because they were testing with us the fix
17:13:58 <SyncError > but no additional servers or players will be tolerated.
17:14:10 <yakautza > ok, ill shut them in a sec
17:14:16 <yakautza > im sorry i didnt mean to
17:14:24 <yakautza > we just wanted to play some oldschool pickup
17:21:20 <yakautza > ok servers are down

Shows how ID really cares about community if they start banning even the players that joined on those servers.

Yeah, cause id can survive without an income, right?

Can they?

I think not.

You seem to think they should look the other way when players do what harms their income.

You seem to think that i seem to think that, but i do not.

I want to see something official about that.

What a dick move by id.

If there was an alternative (premium, server rental, etc) I'd understand, but right now this doesn't hurt anybody.

does sound from that log like theyre gonna make a massive douche move, yeah. from the moment i saw that qlded.wordpress site i figured servers like those are not gonna work very long, but something like permanently preventing everybody involved from playing their game would not make much sense, even less so if it includes those that were just doing what they always do.

the whole banning thing did come with a sort of a warning period, so it wasnt really such a huge douche move, it wasnt all like using authority just for the sake of doing so and shit

[ - ]

dictatorship... yay!

yukautza just wants private servers with no PB

+ ra3 maps

delicious

"oh hey look there are ppl having total fun with ql"

sync: "OMG WE HAVE TO STOP THEM ASAP!!!"

i understand id... after all their prem content is ded servers and need to make money out of ql... but this total oppression i don't like... at least id was always letting community do what they like with their games, and now this.

maybe this explains http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/24/id_so..._bethesda/

you can't add custom maps to those premium servers tho

i agree here, i mean id software was/is going to use private servers to generate revenues since ads weren't cutting it so i can see why they would be hostile to these hacked dedicated servers, but to ban the people who run them and punish those that join them? :/

Or just charge for the game?

if we are starting dedicated server without login then what mail/account will they ban? :o

Mail is written somewhere ? I dont think so, maybe by IP and logs.

now we only need cpma for ql ;)

Challenge ProMode in Assebmly language

ahahah well put.

Added a warning to your post, don't want people's account getting banned by something posted on here.

One of the things that bothers me about Quake Live is that ID is very reluctant to give official statements about anything that the hardcore Quake Live community finds vital or at least important. A couple of examples are:
- changes in the hitboxes, which until last week we knew that will happen only because of the people from the closed testing group,
- gtv and/or FreezeTag being requested over and over again with no response at all from ID,
- custom maps,
- other additional content and game modifications that might get more casual people into Quake Live,
- spawning your own dedicated servers might get people banned.

Most of the information about those things we know thanks to sharing information through ESR, not because of any statements from ID. And I'm probably not the only one that would be really glad to see what ID has to say about these issues.

yes, their public relations could be way better but I don't agree with everything you said.

For example:
The discussion about the bitbox change here was started by a post from syncerror on the QL forums (not much sense to talk about it earlier and raise a shitstorm if nothing gets changed)
The have been some comments about gtv, albeit they weren't positive :(, sure there was no final statement but let's jsut hope they are still considering it...
There were a few efforts for custom maps, most notably was getting ztn in.

So, yeah there's much room for improvement but your criticism kinda makes it look as if they weren't giving any information at all.

Yeah, you're completely right. I forgot about the hitbox discussion starting here, silly me :)

So it bothers you that id Software doesn't care about a bundle of "hardcore gamers" that won't pay for anything anyway, being a for-profit company that they are? Oh Em Gee, have you been to the real world recently?

One thing about the hardcore community is that it sets trends and it's usually the experienced players that know what are the best solutions for the game.

No, it doesn't set any trends. No one cares what "it" thinks are the best solutions for anything. Do you have any idea what's actually popular and profitable?

The hardcore community does set trends. If known players play a particular game in big tournaments, there are many people who try to excel their skill in order to compete with them. Companies pay Cypher, av3k, or Neo to endorse their products because they can promote them by playing with them.

And yes, I do believe I know, at least partly, what's profitable. I've been playing this game for more than 8 years now and I've worked closely with big tournament organisers in Poland and with people that living is organising those tournaments.

So, what's profitable? Making a game that's enjoyable for a very, very big number of people. We're trying to make the game better and more enjoyable.

Is that why is there more money in Halo than in Quake?

Obviously the amount of people that buys the game defines how profitable it is. And when it comes to the amount of money that is in tournaments, it's a more complicated matter. But, the bottom line is that yeah, the amount of people in the community usually defines how hard it is to get money for a given game at an event.

So in conclusion:
1. "hardcore community" doesn't set any trends.
2. No one cares what "it" thinks are the best solutions for anything.

Just like CPL didn't care about "it" when they switched to CS, and so on. Elites without any actual power over anything are just another niche consumer group. If QuakeLive is to become popular, it would be at least despite what "it" thinks is best, at most without relevance to, but not thanks to it.

Hardcore community do set trends, in all fields of life. Of course it would be stupid to think that PC deathmatch community would influence console communities. better comparison is Halo vs Quake on PC. The hardcore community did not support PC Halo, so it did not stick. Counter-strike was embraced by hardcore community back in the day and it did and does good. Source was not backed by hardcore and it did not do so good, even though it had all the push you can get behind it. Similar scenarios goes with RTS games, the ones that do not get hardcores behind them, will die, even if they get esportz push from the developer and organizers.

Also CPL seemed to care about hardcore communitys opinion, seeing as they went to war against id for not being "able" to use Q3. Maybe it was bs, but obviously they cared about the opinion and influence of the hardcore enough to burn some bridges else where to calm them down.

The whole success story of World of Warcraft is based on hardcore mmo community, from which the developers themselves came from. They made a game, that was technically and featurally better in every way than it's predecessors. The most significant marketing for wow, was made by mmo communities, being able to truthfully say to their friends "this is the best mmo ever, if you are going to try mmo's, this is the one to do it with".

Big rush to QL at the beginning of open beta was also due to the hardcore quake community. Once they lose word of mouth (which was already about 10 times as cost effective than any other marketing before internet boosted it even further) from that group, it's all over for id. No matter how many different achievements and statistics they add, nobody is going to start playing demanding game like quake without being recommended to do so through some sort of social utility.

So in conclusion; Hardcore community does set the trends and those who want to be or have been succesfull care very deeply what they want.

You seem to be confused what "hardcore community" I'm talking about. Either way, you missed the entire point. I'm going to simplify things without getting into your gaming examples, because that would be time consuming and boring.
"Hardcore community" doesn't, by default, have any power over "non-hardcore" community in any area. "Hardcore community" is just people who obsess over a certain product. Just being obsessive users doesn't grant them ANY powers. It doesn't mean they buy most of the product. It doesn't mean regular users care about things obsessive users care about. It doesn't even mean they communicate. Most often, they don't. If a mass consumer ends up using something that was an idea of a hardcore consumer, it means someone who had a power to propagate it, gave it a bump. Usually, the developer, and because they had their self interest in mind, not the "hardcore community's". If the developer and "hardcore user" are one and the same, it doesn't change anything. Neither does the fact that some producers target the hardcore niche, they would gladly occupy any niche they possibly can, and sometimes the 'hardcore' is something they're just stuck with, but it doesn't mean they will pick a smaller group of consumers(hardcore) over a bigger one(regular). So in conclusion, no, you're wrong. I can't put things any simpler, so this is my last post.

ID punish the community for its own failings. Great.

It's no wonder these servers have popped up, ID have been utterly terrible at handling QL and the community.

We've had a couple of new maps and a few crappy ones that were discarded long ago thrown back in.

Authors of ospdm5 and ospdm6 (amazing tdm maps) have been contacted by people from the community and would be willing to let ID use their maps in QL. Why haven't ID made any effort? Because they want us to use new maps? Sure, that's fine.. if they can provide them. After 2 years of nothing it's no wonder that the community is getting desperate.

Besides the lack of maps, there is the lack of private server availability. ID can't provide the community with private servers but they are anything but slow in reacting the community providing for itself. Maybe if they put the same amount of effort into providing the community, rather than controlling it, QL wouldn't be in such a dire state.

ID are really shooting themselves in the foot with this.

Ah well, at least this new hitbox change is supposed to be good. Possibly the first good update in almost a year of trashy cvars which most people couldn't give two shits about. I'd say thanks but I really don't think it's deserved.

but its free! ...oh wait


ps: love ya xD

there's always Quake 3 smarty pants

Yea, that's true and it would be brilliant if the community was thriving but it's not. QuakeLive is the more active of the 2 and it has the tournament/league backing now.

QuakeLive should've reinvented Quake 3 (not replicate btw) but it's falling far below par right now.

If you aren't personally attending these tourneys, you have no business making your game decision based on their existence. That eliminates 99.9% of you.

Right now, both Q3 and QL have about equal new player activity (though, both are in decline), with Q3 slightly ahead. Neither game can possibly be considered "thriving".

I have to question whether or not your statement is very accurate. I think it's fair to say the QuakeLive servers are more populated than the Quake 3 ones. You need only look at the servers in QuakeLive vs whatever server scanner you use for Quake 3. Then you can take into account the mod difference, maybe I don't want to play cpm, or osp, or ra3 etc.

Also, I wrote "tournament/league" which are played not only at LAN events but online and covers TDM, CTF, CA, not just DUEL and that applies to more than 0.1% of the players on QuakeLive but whilst I'm replying I should mention that tournaments, the ones you obviously refer to (i.e. 1v1 LAN events), are a good way of generating interest and that's a reason in itself to play the game over one that isn't being backed anymore.

Yes, more players are currently playing QL than Q3. However, there are less and less new players coming to QL (Q3, too, but Q3 is currently declining at a slower pace), and players are constantly leaving the game. Unless you are bad at Q3, QL didn't add anything that you didn't already have - QL only added newbies. If you are a newbie, there is even less reason for you to ever justify any game choice based on tournament/league activity.

If you don't like OSP/CPM/RA/etc, there's no reason for you to like QL. Unlike Q3, though, QL dying will STOP you from playing QL entirely, since it's all web-based. Then what? Play OSP/CPM/RA, despite the fact that you might not like them, simply because they have leagues/tournaments? There are already plenty of bad games with tournaments that you can do that with... Quit playing and play something else? If you had a game that you liked, you'd be playing it instead of QL...

Add up all the players in leagues/tournaments. You're dealing in dozens, not hundreds. The higher you deem that percent, the smaller you make the overall playerbase. Both ways look bad, but you might as well look at it accurately.

Your arguement is a strong one but there are some flaws in it.

"If you are a newbie, there is even less reason for you to ever justify any game choice based on tournament/league activity."

- The new player might wish to take the game seriously and aim to play in higher tiers.

"If you don't like OSP/CPM/RA/etc, there's no reason for you to like QL."

- I didn't mean dislike all mods, I meant any of. If you only want to play OSP for example, the number of players is far less on that single mod than all the Quake 3 mods combined (obviously), which, when compared to QuakeLive, makes it a no brainer to opt for the younger of the 2.

I don't dislike Quake, on the contrary, I love it. The reason for my initial post is not because I think QuakeLive is crap, I think the dev team are crap. The gameplay of QuakeLive is actually good but the content is severely lacking and as soon as the community find a way to bring the content to the game themselves, ID are banging about with the ban hammer. It's a disgrace.

Yes the game might be free but the way they treat their userbase is illogical.

* Note: I never used those private servers so I'm unaffected by ID's reaction, I just don't agree with it.

How many new players have you seen make progress into leagues or tournaments? I'm sure you can count them on a single hand. Quake isn't forgiving like CS or WoW, and it's the reason that players from such games are quitting QL - the motivation might be there for a few, but they can't make progress like they could in a more newbie-oriented game.

Granted, OSP doesn't have many players, but you owe some of the blame to yourself. Not just you, but I'm saying that nobody is interested in taking a stand, so you're all settling for what you have. It might give you benefits now, but you also run the risk of losing it ALL in the future. If you're just waiting for other people to do it first, it's never going to happen - they're all waiting for you to do the same thing.

I don't think it's that big of a deal for id to be banning in this situation, since the servers don't even appear on the master list. What's the point of even running the server? You can do the same thing, but with more functionality, less bugs, and better balance, by just running an OSP/CPMA server. Even if you just wanted to try other maps (which you can't play in QL anyway), it would have been easier to just make a Q3 mod with QL values.

I agree with what you say for the most part. The problem with 'taking a stand' is that individual players don't have much influence, even the pro's who compete for money. Quake 3 has been getting dropped from tournament after tournament because interest was dying.

QuakeLive could possibly have been huge, if ID had been a bit more imaginative. The gameplay is actually quite new player friendly, though some of that is subject to change (but not entirely: rl, sg, rail are still being reported as easy to use), and if they had managed to deliver a much better skill rating/finder/whatever system those players wouldn't feel so disheartened.

You're right about the number of players who will and are reaching high but it's better than there being none at all. Though, it's most likely that DM style fps days are numbered. Even a dumbed down version of Quake3 has proven to be too big a hurdle for the casual gamer. A shame really.

I personally don't think that taking a stand could work, even with enough support. With the state of things, we can't progress until we start from scratch. QL was supposed to be the vessel of change to end this in Q3, but it has only made the issue worse.

There aren't many tournaments for almost any game (unless you play Starcraft), but QL is still absent from the likes of WCG and ESWC. Even if both of them picked it up, how much of a change would it make? There was a time when Q3 was in every tournament, and it was still far less popular than the likes of CS/etc, and still in major decline.

I suggest that the problem is more the games than the audience. UT3 didn't manage to break into the professional gaming scene at all, but it *did* sell several million copies. Even with all the hype and expectations of Q4, it didn't even sell 1 million. Q3 hasn't even managed to break the 1 million milestone, where even Q2 has. I think that the interest in the type of game is there, it's just that the developers are failing.

did he just say that the quakelive community has over 100.000 members?

Cause the zotac cups alone had more than 100 unique players.

I wonder how long quakelive can keep us up with this stuff.

If ID doesn't act faster to make some changes then QL is a dead game.

OH WAI IT"S FREE I really like their ads lol.

I just want one thing to be answered in this thread, and that is this:

What is the justification for banning players who create/play on these servers?

kgo.

I didn't read the terms of use, either. ;)

http://www.quakelive.com/#legals/terms_of_use

dont call it "quake live", its dying so "quake dead" can be a better expression :(

In this case we would have a ton of maps and private servers if the QL would be about the community but I am sure id haven't set aside enough resource for the dev-team and that's why QL is more or less standing still with what the community needs.

Gaming isn't really about community or gamers its all about making a profit.

Working is about making money oh noes!

I'm usually pretty calm about this kind of stuff but it's really quite amazing how they decide to thank the community for buying their game 10 years ago, creating mods, maps and creating sites afiliated with the game and also hosting hunderds of tournaments merchandising iD for free - for 10 fucking years.

What have we got now? Quake 3 built into a web browser with extremely limited functionality. useless netcode, sound issues and just a whole bunch of things you'd really expect to be IN the game as this point. It's such a huge let down.

You can't find more devoted betatesters testing a product for free and for so long without any major changes.

I think we all deserve an explanation of what's really going on and not just vague statements and new hit sounds.

My understanding is that id has to make money out of QL, otherwise the effort they put into it so far was just a waste. The advertisement system so far produced almost no income, so their plan seems to be to offer the pro account. Spawning servers is a key feature of that package. No surprise they want to protect this aspect of QL.

Can I set up a lan server and play QL offline with that?

It's essentially a dedicated server that doesn't announce anywhere.

Someone circumvents the official system without asking anyone at id if they mind.

People are annoyed they get shut down, when if anyone had bothered to ask the position from the company would be clear (As in evidence)

Yeah, what did you guys expect.

owned

yall better of getting 1tb server and making a q3 mod with gamestats

*grabs popcorns*
*waits for the community manager to actually talk to the community*

19 hours later

*goes to bed*

this was always going to happen, actually it's weird how long this took. i'll say though, people in this thread complaining about id being 'fascist' or 'dictactors' for banning the initiators, and are actually puzzled as to why: your enormous stupidity has now exceeded all that can be considered acceptable. the only viable option for you is instant suicide but in any case please leave this site.

we'd lose all the esr visiters!

especially the ones from third world countries \:D/

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nice drama.. tons of whining to be squeezed out of this!!

haxproxz0ring

I think this perfectly demonstrates the disconnection between the community and id that has developed. They know what we want, they just don't give a shit about us or the games they make any more, only the game engines.

no. what this clearly indicates is that the community is stupid as fuck. there is a very very simple solution to all this "zomg we cant have our own private servers and play custom maps". play more q3.

it doesnt work :(

new version soon?

Id rather pay 30e for a copy or even 50e if so, just so I could setup a dedicated server from my home!Its clearly that ID is the negative factor thats pulling down this community, if we were able to setup servers like that im sure 1000x new servers would pop-out over night...shame on u ID! :((

???


Paying money for the game and playing on someone's own server has been tried, you know.

In case you haven't heard of the game many refer to as "Q3", let me tell you that it's still around, but somehow the community in the last years wasn't nearly as big as that of QL now.
And id have said at some point that they actually want to encourage people to make a switch from QL to Q3 after playing for some time.

Seems like the majority of casual players prefer playing for free and not having to bother with setting up servers.

You are free to play Quake 3, though.

what are u adolescent!? nice attitude

Q3 is nowhere close to QL activity, I just dissagre with IDs WoW-premium accaunt concept, this way they are able to suck on money non-stop from the users if u want private servers.And to add to that no mods,no custom maps and u cant spawn servers in random countrys just closest locations to u...

> id have said at some point that they actually want to encourage people to make a switch from QL to Q3 after playing for some time

wat
did they really say that? O_o

yes, I think it was an interview some time after they announced quakelive.

I kinda doubt that is their current official view, though.

the sad thing is it isnt just the "casual" players. for instance the north american ctf scene has picked up some momentum and almost all the players are ex-q3 or q4 players, almost all of whom have a copy of q3 somewhere. and most of them whine about the lack of 3w maps all the time. and yet none of them can even be bothered to set up cpma again. to be perfectly honest this community doesnt deserve to be given anything.

Has there even remotely been a hint of when QL is supposed to come out of beta, even in ballpark figures? I wish I could whole-heartedly believe that they are just waiting to be out of testing phase to start all the things the community wants, but to not even acknowledge the community and say "we hear you, we just have to wait for (whatever)" smacks of ignore.

I'm not saying they don't have their reasons, they very well may- it just seems that a simple "ok, we hear what you want" statement would at least hold back the more rabid quakers aching for changes.

They've already said that they don't hold much weight to the beta tag. For all intents and purposes, they consider it to be a complete game.

^What he said. I remember a post from closed beta by the devs. Basically the "beta" tag is there until they decide to take it off. Meaning, there is not going to be any big release date, hoopla or whatever. The date, 02/24/09, was the one to dress and impress. That's why they made mention of using google's approach to beta. It's funny whenever you see the rebuttal, "OMG, it's only beta ffs!!1"

At least, this was their position months ago. Maybe it's changed but I don't think so.

well that's just vedic holding on to his conviction that quakelive is afailure, noone plays it and that id are ignoring every single request and don't change any part of the game.

Despite them just changing the hitboxes, and adressing the problem of rail hitting that should have missed.
I have no idea how anyone can say that they treat it as a finished game when they change things like that.

You mean its NOT a failure?!!!?

Yes, that is what i mean.

If you want to see a failure look at quake4.

I'm not saying quakelive is perfect or near it. But it is certainly not a failure.

Well, except for the business model, bu in the last year much better business models have failed.

I don't think id has any clue what they're doing at the moment or where they want to go with Quake Live. If they plan on removing the beta tag once they have a profitable business model it might stay there till they shut it all down.

Even if they release payed premium subscription next week there is no incentive for the broad public to get one and it'll be impossible to set the price high enough to finance the public servers from the few guys, clans and sites who bought one. The only reason I see John Doe buying a subscription is a perma spec slot for any given server. Maybe access to more game modes but that would end in fail if they decide to split the f2p from the p2p crowd

Gonna be interesting what they're going to do with it

I believe what they're really doing here with QL is develop potentially licensable technology. The capability to lock the game down to the servers the game provider wants you to join would be indispensable part of the tech. And we're now just witnessing a proof of concept.

Of course, as has been said often enough already, for Q3 players all this is kind of a sham package. We basically get the same game we already paid for, with less features. Well with fresh cannon fodder, I give them that. I'd have preferred though if they had made an attempt to revive Q3 proper - e.g. with new maps, models, sounds etc. - or maybe even Q4, for that matter.

I think they will give some previlegs to the payers wich are not needet for normal play but are quite nice to have (shure the possibility to set up private servers and some kind of sign in the player profile).

I would suggest something like this:

-Possibility to participate in closed betta testing for new features and maps.

-Some custom player/weapon models.

-Possibility to set up some kind of "Clanpages" in the gamesite.

-Custom site/forum-appereance (new designs)


If they would do something like that i will pay for it (i will pay for it if it only would be the possibility to set up private servers).

ProoF?!

i always get "unknown ql lib". can anyone help?