id software doesnt run esreality, wrong forum

sync posts here and is free to reply, but he wont. he wont even give me a focus invite. :(

Why would syncerror even read this? I know I wouldn't, because it is a wall of text containing rants and the point isn't clear. I stopped reading after 3 sentences or so.

Present your point in as less sentences as possible, in a non-offensive way. In the right forum, which is the QL forum. Maybe that way you will be heard, it is not guranteed, but at least much more likely.

I'm willing to bet at least Sync reads ESR more than qlive forums. He used to at least.

the point is very clear, just not organized because i wrote it at 3am.

regardless your opinion isn't relevant and it's hilarious that you mention that you didnt read it like anyone cares. get a better attention span idiot

and no one from id responds to touchy subjects ever, so I can safely be "as offensive" as I want since I know he'll read it and not reply anyways(although nothing about this is offensive).

I wouldn't if I put myself into syncerror's shoes of course. But I see there's no helping you. Idiot....

He actually had a point, and you showed one additional reason to not listen to you by insulting him.

and no one from id responds to touchy subjects ever, so I can safely be "as offensive" as I want since I know he'll read it and not reply anyways(although nothing about this is offensive). and no one from id responds to touchy subjects ever, so I can safely be "as offensive" as I want since I know he'll read it and not reply anyways(although nothing about this is offensive). and no one from id responds to touchy subjects ever, so I can safely be "as offensive" as I want since I know he'll read it and not reply anyways(although nothing about this is offensive). and no one from id responds to touchy subjects ever, so I can safely be "as offensive" as I want since I know he'll read it and not reply anyways(although nothing about this is offensive).

So slasher gets the "scoop" on the new quakecon update, does some solid reporting, and gets bitch slapped for it? Whoa someone at id needs to take their meds...

so what is that new content that slasher leaked b4 release??

ospdm6
cpm4
hub3tourney1 (with a few changes)
cpm22 (with some slight tweaks and blue textures)
some rubbish CA/CTF content.

Actually that's not what he leaked but that's what I know of.

omg ur soo banned!
why would they ban someone for giving info about sth which was obviously gonna happen
anyway?? and why would they add old new content to a dying game??
seriously guys..somethings wrong here

I'm not part of the focus group, I never even play QL these days.

that didint stop them from banning slasher, although if you don't play qlive then who cares either way :)

And they don't know my account ;)

Is that a challenge? :D

Nah, I doubt they would try and track my account(s?) down anyway, would be a total waste of time on their behalf since I'm not concerned about having a specific nick and I'm not in the focus.

If there's a guy out there with the account "iNkind" I apologise of course ;)

suspect you steal toilet roll from public toilets, come out of mcdonalds looking a whole lot fatter and it aint them sloppy little burgers

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

seta net_clientMaxPrediction "85"
seta net_challengeLimit "7"
seta net_clientServerTimeout "14"
seta net_clientPrediction "1"
seta net_clientPredictWeaponSwitch "0"
seta net_clientUseroriginTime "10"
seta net_clientDownload "1"
seta net_master0 "q4master.idsoftware.com:27650"
seta net_master1 ""
seta net_master2 ""
seta net_master3 ""
seta net_master4 ""
seta net_predictionErrorDecay "24"
seta net_serverAllowServerMod "1"
seta net_serverClientTimeout "14"

http://www.zshare.net/audio/77955730935b239f/ + http://www.moddb.com/mods/q4-militia

Fucking console commands looking like coolface.jpg : I wonder if you're not Zeriton aliasing for shit and giggles.

Sorry Zeri.

add them to your server config init :

seta net_clientMaxPrediction "85" //max ping allowed
seta net_clientDownload "1" //all you need for clients to download the pk4s when connection, with md5 checks, all the whole mod direct off the q4 server, if client doesnt have it, or q4 militia custom damage sets and mp player models etc
seta net_predictionErrorDecay "24" //just sounds good, so lower it anyway

I almost wish I was him just because it's like the ultimate troll.

There's an art to it. If you're not sure if they're serious or not, that means they've achieved 'master troll' level. Few have made it to this rank. p0rt must have been taught by Jamerio.

i dont do all that online buddy shit. my militia troll posts are out of boredom or being sarcastic because posters on this place are to retarded to get it to work, trying to hold it back so shittie little q4max can pretend it rules a dead game

bloody hell but that was funny, AGAIN.
I mean you start off with some out of the blue post about someone stealing toilet paper from macdonalds and then in the next post, BAM!! wall of code.
lulz, just lulz man

OWNED!!!!

i think we could start like a comixed series called "fragged by p0rt" where he pwns people by some random comment followed by some random piece of code :P

they have access to every bank account on the island, or country, tell them to fuck off, they show back up with mr police man, not a baseball bat since the mid 90s

almost "the hub". Finally something good

OSPDM6 + CPM4 = awesome.... to bad I'll be heading home before I get to play some decent tdm.

what's the difference in qzdm6 and ospdm6?

uhm..

thanks for that

It's not the same map at all :)

oooh I thought it was, thanks

Was the rubbish CA/CTF actually bad or just new?

I don't rate it, make of that what you will.

How is cpm22 gonna work with the ql spawn system? Seems like it would be even more abusive than on other maps.

I've not played it I'm afraid.

so what is that new old content that slasher leaked b4 release??

So, what did Slasher reveal about the betabeta, anyway?

He'll earn some points if he actually defends his actions (and calls id out), but I think it's more likely that he'll be kissing their ass/apologizing.

he talked about hub on stream, someone from id I guess told him to stop talking about it due to the nda, then he said he wasnt technically part of the nda but would shuttup anyways

still banned though i guess :)

hub? oh, yeah, that really sounds like NEW stuff.

well, hub is a classic anyway, i mean a duel mappool without hub is not a good duel mappool :)

link to 2nd pic has a ' in it. dun werk.

i hope he'll fix that soon, i wanna see the pic

it's okay you two, I fixed it and added another one for dramatic effect.

phew.

yeah the focus team is just weird since we are in a beta, looks like they seeing this open beta as a final release.

"You need to be more transparent about what is going on"

Totally agree.

added cake analogy

So... you're saying that the cake is a lie?

yes. also that joke is becoming quite dated.

added "tf2 should be your role model direction for quakelive" line

Should take a note from Valve and start adding really bad films into their maps instead of the QuakeLive logo

Oh wait, didn't they do that with clothes and shit?! That made a lot of sense. At least films, games and hardware that valve stick into their ads makes sense...

hahaha so you pay for the fucking game and you get to watch adverts? awesome.

Well you pay for TV but still get adverts right?

Not exactly like you go around fragging and get distracted by Twilight posters...








... Not unless you're gay...

only idiots pay for TV

yeah smart people steal it as well as shoes and cellphones

smart people pay for tv and dont pay for water, if your unemployed etc, bailiffs for water cant touch you, just send you some nag letters if you get a few hundred pound in your account

its law, and human rights bollox

Absolutely pissing myself at this post

it true for european human rights, homeless number have gone down all over because you have to be given some money for food etc

briton will give you a tops of £30 a week if you are not entitled to any other benefit, ontop of rent and council tax benefit

To be fair if you bought Half-Life you get CS for free.

If you bought the compilation that came out after CS 1.0 then you paid for it though. You also pay for it when you buy Valve complete package, (which is a great deal,) then you pay for it as well.

Enjoy your free [+]. Miss clicked with laptop :S

Please also add a lolcat picture for further drama

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meh

Yeah it's their game, they can do what they like.

Sadly the execution of QL beta from the id team is equal to crap and this have gone on for 1 years now or when did QL go "open" beta ?

But I am sure the era of proper fps are done for.

this is not quake for mainstream, more and more it looks like evolution of q3 with small dedicated hardcore audience.

It would be so much easier for this audience to play on an open platform like quake 3 though, especially in terms of content.

Nope.
But plused in return for a good laugh :D

this is not quake for mainstream, more and more it looks like devolution of q3 with small dedicated hardcore audience.

FYP

Quakelie is a joke. It's watered down shit that is trying to please 2 week newbies that will quit the game anyway if they get passed tier 2.

It's not going to work, especially with the lack of community involvement.

The quake community doesn't fuck around. Just say the word.

"we need maps, help us guys!"

Blam! 200 maps at your service id.

"We need help with more modes and ideas!"

KAAAAAAZAM! Arqon falls from the sky into your coding department and injx is telling you how to run shit.

"We need advertisements from popular websites and word of mouth to help gather newbies!"

Booyah! Esreality all up in that bitch, we quake nerds know how to spam shit.

It's just a fucking shame, quakelive devs are so fucking stupid lol :o

4chan knows how to spam shit too, but I doubt many would want to use them as a publicity mechanism

YOu kidding me? It's a franchise.

please step out of the vehicle and open your trunk, Sir

I'm pretty sure many of us can reach a few thousand people with a few clicks or phone calls :)

Quake community is not so big if you compare to other games. But I'm quite confident there is a lot of potential in many of the old school players when it comes to easy things like marketing.

I spent less than 30 seconds to give you a example of how you could have promoted QL with the help of community:

'Quakecon 2010 is here and we would like to try a simple 'Bring Quake Live to the mainstream' test. We kindly ask everyone who is interested to spread the word that Quakecon 2010 is only 2 weeks away. We would like to break the 50.000k view count on our live streams during this tournament. Spread the word to people that you know and don't know with different mediums such as MSN, Skype, Websites, Facebook, Myspace etc etc etc. Your personal goal should be to bring at least 5 viewers that normally don't play QL to watch our Quakecon stream. Ask your online friends, invite your IRL friends over for a game night, post on other gaming sites that normally don't do quake news or events etc etc.'

A idea like this is just a example of what you can do with users that play and love your game. Of course you will have people who don't care. But I'm quite sure a lot of us would gladly put a few url's here and there, then perhaps next time you can do something similar that requires playing. Just anything really, since nothing has happened with QL the past years really.

As a very old fan of ID software games I must say I feel a bit sad how little you seem to care. I can be wrong, but that's just the impression I get now. I'm not posting this all of a sudden. I have tried my best to keep my opinions to myself, and keep my faith and trust that you deliver what you actually said you would, years ago. Even if I personally don't play much at all anymore, but I feel for the people who still play a lot and this is what they get...

So basically, do petty marketing for them... but for free.

I would like to think it's for us? You are free to think what you want though :)

How is it for us if they're doing none of the work?

First of all. I would like to point out that I gave a example. I'm not sure if this would work.

How it would benefit us? Since you reply and write on esreality, I will take it that you actually do play, or have played quake. If you dont, then you can discard my reply and stop replying to me since I'm not talking to you.

If you are a player however, I would also take for granted that you would enjoy the benefits of having a bigger quake community. Since that makes it more plausible to have bigger, better tournament support. Higher chance of having new blood in all tiers. More marketing value for any future sponsor in all levels, may it be a better zotac/gdata every weekend or something. No that there is anything wrong with the current ones, but I think you get the picture. Get a nuubie-only cup with a few hundred players instead of none?

Possibilities are really endless, but back to work. :/

How does just getting more people to try/participate help? Do you feel that enough people haven't tested it? Why not address the BIGGER problem of players leaving because they just don't like the game?

If id had any respect for the game, they'd be advertising it themselves. The fact that THEY don't even want to help just shows you the path that the game is on.

Yes you are correct. The end product is not good enough to sustain the player base, even if we would hand out free Cooller underwear for sign ups at quakelive.com :)

But to prove my point earlier, with the help of the community, they could have thrived here as well... We have been hopeful and patient. I know 'pro' players have been trying to help. Arqon was hired to make the something but what did he do?

I understand that if you are a company that you perhaps don't want others to influence your product, I would be more than fine with that as well. But nothing is being done?! No information has been told and we have no idea where we are headed. Like it is right now, it would have been much better to keep it closed beta until they actually are close to being done with their game.

I'm a optimist as well, even if I might come out as not when I try to make my opinion heard. Long story short, I just want something to happen with this game! :)

Well, something can't happen if they don't do anything. How will you feel about the effort you put in if the game goes under?

As a very old fan of ID software games I must say I feel a bit sad how little you seem to care

Or perhaps it's the other way around?

Your point doesn't really matter in this case. Lets pretend with the thought that I did not care. What would that change? :)


Either way, if I would care or not care. Has nothing to do with what I just proposed. Also remember it was just a kind proposal from a quite experienced community member such as myself. However, if what I said is nonsense then just ignore it. It's more in the line that I do understand the frustration of some who expected more/different/something else from ID after these years. In the end of the day we will always have different opinions so we cant make everyone happy, I realize this.

I meant more that he does care a lot rather than you don't care... More like you "care" but aren't seeing the huge problems in the same way super casual players think the MG should do billions of damage and don't mind random things happening.

Your suggestion is fine but to be honest I don't see much point in it, maybe it would work for some people, especially people who have lots of competitive gamer friends (I guess you do, but I'd also assume that they would already know about the game) but for the rest of us it won't achieve much.

For me, id has got almost everything to do with the project wrong thus far and it's on a downward spiral because of it. id can no longer seriously justify development for a free service that brings in no money and the users can't justify paying for something with so little support (or trust that it will come).

"(...) we quake nerds know how to spam shit"

Haha. :D

I will open a secret to you. ID doesn't give a fuck about ql or people playing it, so you can stop posting hateful flame here. And it's very sad and disappointing picture to see hubster and khaile giving away cpm4 and hub maps to use them in ql.

theres the cpm wannabe elite again

I was and am still banned from Quake Live, without any reply from SyncError even though I have tried contacting him numerous times, including just seconds after I saw him speak in IRC.

I was banned previous to Saturday's matches, presumably because I spoke of different maps and aspects I have overheard from the focus test. I am not in the focus test, and I have not signed an NDA within it. All of the information I have gathered are from my sources, which I will not name, and other bits of information that have been leaked, including hub's own comments.

I am just reporting on what I hear, especially considering there has not been one dev blog as promised. I also do not appreciate banning me without warning or notice, especially considering I have been waking up at 4 AM to provide DIY Quake promotion and coverage for the Quake community and other mainstream audiences.

"I spoke of different maps and aspects I have overheard from the focus test"

Share more plz... since u are already banned :D

I'm tired of ID telling us nothing. Plz tell us all u know about what is going on in the focus. If it's true they are adding ra3 dual maps, what purpose could they serve, other than 1v1 and 2v2 ca mode.

Is there a mode like ra3 coming?

RA3 duel maps?

QUE?

:)

Nice catch. Ra3map1 but not 11? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Aerowalk is cool, and hubtourney1 was great when it was played in that 1 tournament where b100.death beat fatality or something like that.. so very long ago.

+Aerowalk
+Hubtourney1
+ztntourney1
+ New maps (If they are any good)

If new maps are bad then
+tourney4
+Tourney7 (But remove fucking water and bricks from RA)


-DM6 (DIE BASTARD DIE)
-DM13 (I like you, but you aren't spectator worthy)
-T9 (fuck yo couch nigga)

CPL Holland

I didn't get a look at the CA maps much so I've no idea if the RA3 stuff is true, I think the ones I saw were brand new though and they were gigantic.

gigantic is just what we want to hear, perfect :)

Well, they didn't look like your typical RA3 map either, but hey, no offence but you RA3 types enjoy the most retarded crap anyway :P

if they add ra3map1 duel maps then finally id will add a rocket arena type mod (1v1/2v2 ca), which is awesome on some particular maps

inkind, i'm not saying that i particularly enjoy ql CA, but you're officially in my esr retard list.

It's funny cuz you always talk about duel players etc, and you always say crap...
Another wannabe fatal1ty CA hater who thinks that he's all brain no aim, but the reality is much more simple : no aim no brain.

no aim no brain

like you without an aimbot, innit

i have both brain & aim. I'm sry to disappoint you. It's not cuz i play CA that i have no brain. You don't even know what is real brain. Just cuz you don't agree with my answers and trolls doesn't mean that i'm wrong or retarded. But when i don't agree with you, and when i call you a retard, it is TRUE. It's just a matter of accepting it or not then. I'm not a sheep/follower like you, i have my own opinion, and i don't go like "OMG THIS IS SO GOOD, SO SMART" or "OMG THIS IS SO BAD, RETARDED", except when i'm really pissed by people attitude, then i just become worst than them to show how they can be annoying. I don't care if you're all against me, at least i have my own opinion, and i'm from the sparta interwebz, and i don't need to go 4on1 to be effective. You are the sheep, i'm the wolf. The sheeps act as if they were all friends against the bad wolf, but the reality is that they are just a bunch of ugly coward who can't do shit without their farmer. They don't even like each others 100%, only 70%. When i meet another wolf, i love him 100% (the russian leader ralph is a great exemple of a true wolf, except that his style is different from mine).
I don't need to time 4 armors, act as if i were a star, be arrogant and say that i don't drink vodka (which would be a lie, cuz when i lose, i need my bottle of russian vodka), i don't need to scream everywhere that strenx is all shaft no brain, i don't need to play the same map for 10 years and learn all the positiong all the better routes, all the details to prove that i'm smart... I don't play a game cuz it makes me feel smarter, i don't play a game cuz it's supposed to be a game for einstein and superior people, i only play for fun, skill, improvment and some glory only when it's possible, unlike most people here. You guys only know money, cash prizes, wannabe fatal1ty analysis, duel & tdm, cuz you know "anything else is for retards and requier no skill, if it was not the case, then cooller would play it". But still, what makes me laugh is that i don't even play duel 100% but still i know more than 80% of the people on this site, if only my english was like ralph's english, i would explain everything to all the tards, and then educate them. I don't care if you don't believe me, i don't care if you beat me at duel already : that simply doesn't prove anything.
Ok, byebye noob.

pathetic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

:D

good one

nice wall of text

do you feel violated?

yeah i agree that it was nice, tbh i'm quite proud of myself after rereading it.

congratulations sir. you fit my online cheater profile PERFECTLY.

"It's not cuz i play CA that i have no brain." - Stopped reading here.

Yes it is, yes it is.

Do I, do I really always talk about duel players?

STOP ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT DUEL PLAYERS FFS

=D

1# u should be banned a long time a go due to obvious hax

2# why in the world would u think ca reqs more aim than duels when its 10times harder to aim in 1v1 where no idiots re rushing at your haxed lg with rl

3# DUELS RE WHAT COUNTS DEAL WITH IT

every single decent dueler can own u 50-0 even if u set your bot to hit 100% everything through the walls

and its due to his superior aim, brain, positioning and tactics

ty

theres nothing more boring then playing duels all night every night, tournies they might be good

duels are good as they started off, when your board and you and a mate have absolute nothing else to do

your QL servers marked with phUn, should disable stat tracking

so u re playin all night every night

ok duels might not be the best for this i agree

i`ve never played QL, i dont need to, and i dont have broadband, if i did i still wouldnt play it

lol so why re u posting here

get the fuck out its a quake live forum for ppl with fucking terabit cable internet connection

i scam tmobile web n walk on pay as you go and hit all forums

terabit cable is wasted on shittie QL, people used to play q3 on dialup all night, you just need terabit for all the flash and java on sites

ok im speechless

none of that monthly contract to browse on your pc or laptop with a sonyE phone

you`ll be over your monthly bandwidth limit alot quicker, so use a proxy and browse youtube etc as a mobile browser in IE

are u high sir?

nope, blah blah, phones with an i in the model name have inbuilt datacards in, so you can use the net through bluetooth or usb cable, hence the i phone name,

sonyE phone are the most stable and hassle free 3G access, most phones need to be turned off/on every hour, sonyE phones you can browse all day

i think im gettin trolled :<

have you tried militia?

you been typeing that for 7 months, i can just spam with some more new stuff in militia each and everytime, except in this post because i cant be bothered

maybe speedtrap nearing completing for release, if you have militia, and heartless, touched up and relit

original speedtrap : http://www.freakygaming.com/gallery/articles/...d_trap.jpg

have you tried Militia for Q4?

do you all need instructions, when its all exactly the same principles as Q3 and all other id games, idtech4 has bump mapping and wow it didnt change the universe

yes but did you try it? you should.

yes, why would i try it, i know all about it, its my mod

why would i try it

so you don't know that it actually doesn't work ?
set some traps dudes we might catch him this time

so who does it not exactly work, y`all, just a proper bunch of fucktards

use windows OS, not crappy linux

I don't even know if q4 runs on linux.

so how dont it work on windows, kinda fucked up, with every pic of q4 i post is taken in militia, even videos of new features etc in beta and unreleased versions

sheeeeeet, every screenshot and video on http://www.moddb.com/mods/q4-militia is what milita is saying when its loaded

it trully is the last mod im doing for a id game, the whole id world is full im complete fucking inbreds, who like to pretend they have a brain, chat all posh, pretend they`re ghetto, on every forum and everywhere

[Sarcasm] All QL servers are Linux boxes. QL is the shit. [/Sarcasm]

only linux because you dont have to pay a licence for each box, nothing more

and you can run the whole of q4 under wine, use wine with quake4ded.exe and just for the server, and punish it and spread the word

Why don't you just build militia for Linux? If you've got as far as testing it under wine I don't understand why you haven't just compiled it natively?

i dont have linux, quake 4 1.4.2 is in the wine app db, and its just all the same old stuff being posted, since the first try militia 7 months ago

why dont none of you have balls and test it, or any other game or mod

q4 is unplayable without q4max. You should be working for id on the ql team, the game would be a phuk of a lot better.

If you actually want to make your mod popular, stop talking. Hop onto a server with your mates and put up the actual footage of a 10 min proper LAN duel. Highlight the good things about your mod via videos and pics instead of yapping technical jargons and cvars.

Before online acceptance, try going for local acceptance. A few months back I loaded up Quake 4 and actually played on a Jolt server, even though the ping was 200+. You're in UK, right? Why not 'request' those people on the servers to try out your mod and give you feedback. I also noticed that you get too technical with your words. Not everyone's a dev you know!

It's true that you're trying to revive a dead game but the way you're going about it is just wrong. Calling other mods like Q4Max shit is no way to advertise your own stuff. You need people to test your mod, they don't need you. Focus on your own stuff and think of ways to get acceptance. Or waste the rest of your life trying to convince people, thread after thread about how great your work is.

i dont need people, i could`nt care if you play it or not.. 7 months of this shit, instead of just downloading 22mb and trying it is how retarded some people are

with all the vids and changelog it obvious its a big mod, none of it is coded in the sdk, or even a sniff of any of it

theres no point in full gameplay videos, gameplay is just quake 4, if you want voice taunts and vehickes etc in mp, add vehicles to some maps, and have your own server setup with si_cvars, otherwise is just quake 4, with new physics and new code, and a few other things, with more ways to start mp with 1.1.15 and active "waiting for %n player to ready up" etc

anthonyJ called militia shit before i call q4max shit

words ar`nt to techical, use videos to show the main changes in the changelog

im not trying to convince people, you all said q4 is shit, i said try militia, is has all new netcode, most of the sdk has been changed or recoded, and can reach 32slot servers, and it has not hitscans, try it is the best way, then 7 months later no1 can get it to work etc etc

it all started in http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1706486 with opera-mini anon posting

I'll give it a try this weekend. I've got my own team at work and we play CS and Q3 in our breaks. Will give Q4 + Militia a spin this time.

the flag model is dodgy in CTf, made the flag and pole 1 single model, when i was messing with the Q3 flag in Q4, and did`nt do the offset, so the pole comes out the player models back

Attached Image: 76614-ctf_dFLAG.jpg (265KB)

Actually, i got it to work.


TBH though.

you can get alot of mods to work if you go into game.h and change the game api to 37 for 1.4.2, and then hit the def files and restet head spawnclasses back to what v1.0 uses

not many other code changes in the sdk, use a file compare and a 12 pack

Its funny, cause thats exactly what i did. Figured it out myself though, since im a class coder aswell.

Should release like a contest 'getting militia to work'. If u fail, your clearly a failure in life, otherwise, ur pretty ballsy if u ask me.

militia is peice of piss to get to work planet quake poster - radeon agp drivers roll back to v6.2 for quake 4 to work

the gray screen freeze, is just a slow loader sometimes because all the quake 4 files are still packed into pk4s

got a fully working game pause, with a new vid just uploaded
http://www.moddb.com/mods/q4-militia/videos/pause-game#imagebox

with a weapon fix

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1910693#pid1910693

btw, thks captain obvious. How long have you been playing quake ?

btw, i only play CA (and i don't even take it 100% seriously) cuz there's no DA with proper maps.
I'm only waiting for maps like thunderstruck so that i can have superior aim/dodges/positioning in 1on1 situations, which is btw already the case but it's just that i can't show it yet, cuz as you said, it's really hard in CA to get a real 1on1 situation. That say, keep bitching about CA, mr noclue noob wannabe fatal1ty bad troll. The fact is that, if you think that CA is retarded, then you HAVE to think that duel is retarded, same for the rest. QL is retarded, real shit is CPM. CPM is were the real skill is. And CPM CA with propers maps (dm6 is boring) would own (you would have to get a decent team also to enjoy it 100%).

i only play CA

this time all is clear

read all my replies. I only play CA cuz there's no DA with proper maps.

OSEF, really, grow up some brain cells.

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1910693#pid1910693 TLTR

ur logic is wrong and u do take ca very serious

if not, u wouldnt use any hax mate

and u cant compare 1v1 ca to duels cos there re like 50.000 more aspects to dueling

ok lets say we have 1v1 clan arena

better positioning and aim wins BUT as we talk about posistioning its like 1/10th of duel positioning cos player doesnt have to take any items and timing into positioning equation

now if the same players meet in duel we got:
-aim
-positioning
-timing
-tactics dependend on opponent play style, initial spawn etc
- after each round two players in clan arena start with the same chances while defeated player in a duel spawns with nothing SO its important for the players where and when to get fragged and where and when to frag
- MANY MANY MORE
- map knowledge! u dont have to know anything about maps to play clan arena while it takes hundreds of hours to learn dueling on a specific map

we can elaborate about duels days and nights while there is not much to say about clan arena

Ok, when it's too long, you don't read, cuz it's too much for you (that's what she said).
Ok, fine, i can understand that your brain is limited, it's ok, really.

Then, clan arena 1v1 is called duel arena, ok ?

And why are you telling all these obvious things to me ? I know more about quake that you'll ever do but still you're acting as if you wanted me to learn something.

Ok, i'll keep it simple :
It's not cuz there's more stuff to learn @ classic duel that it's more skilled than DA. When you have to be multitask, then you have to sacrifice the execution's quality of some tasks at the same time.Because you have to concentrate on more things than aim/dodges/pos etc... then you can't focus 100% on these "basics" things, only 70/80%, cuz of human limitations. That's why a "pro" DA player will ALWAYS have a bit more aim than a "pro" classic duel player, and also a bit better dodges overall. But ofc, the DA player will be bad at timings and opponent prediction all over the map and all these stuffs, but that still doesn't mean that he's retarded or that he can't use his brain or whatever, that just means that he cba to leanr all these "useless" and boring stuffs, and what he wants is some action, and fast. It's like saying Fedor Emelianenko is brainless cuz there's nothing to control inside the cage, all you have to do is beat your opponent....
You have to keep in mind that not everyone like these boring "map control" "ressources control" stuffs.

What I want when i play quake is some fast & skilled action, and ofc some brain, but you don't need all these armors and health stuff to make something smart out of it. If you think that DA is only about "shoot shoot shoot, and more shoot, mindless rush, camp & hide", then it's just that you don't have a clue, and you're unable to see all the important details. Btw, proper DA needs GOOD maps, not, for example, dm6, which is really BAD for DA. Thunderstruck is a good example of a good & simple DA map.

i like ur arguments but still u re wrong

dont tell me u know anyone with better aim than cyphers, noctis or strenxes come on

u cant be genious mathematician and biologist at the same time but u can have great aim and be able to time and stuffs... quake is no rocket science! ;))

please take in consideration that in team based quake modes in most situtations a player has this comfort to choose between multiple targets and this makes aiming much easier

im not saying there is no brain in it but its just more simple cos it has been designed as a fun mode which must generate tons of spectacular frags and thats basically what it does

ok i stop there.

Gtfo pls, don't try to argue with me. You're retarded and will stay a retard all your life.
You are ugly and dumb, i see no point to argue with you. Don't want to lose my time sry. I don't care if you die cuz of your retardness. Bye. Don't reply to this i will ignore you.

Just because u are a LG whore, in CA ... lol

somes newbies, in instagib are more dangerous.

influenz, why are you 40+ yo and still posting here ? Why are you showing pictures of your dick to some quaker girls ? Why are you paying stermy's lessons ? Why do you pay strenx to shaft duel ? Why are you always harassing me ? How is your life ? Why don't you have any kids ? Why don't you have any wife ? Why are you small & ugly irl ? Why nobody likes you ? Why are you so unskilled at quake even after playing the game for lik 10 years now ? Influenz, what sort of human being you are ? What wrong with you ? Where are your parents, where is your education ? Where is your brain ?
And the most important question : why are you still alive ? What we all want is that you make suicide, but i'm the only one to say the truth to you, i'm not afraid of hurting you, because anyway, the earth without you would be so much better. Now you know what to do man. Keep some dignity, kill yourself.

> why are you 40+ yo and still posting here

I AM NOT > 40. So u are an assole lol. Ask Strenx about my age.

So the rest of them were valid questions? :p

> blablabla
> Where is your brain ?
> blablabla

lol, imo he is 10 % right.
90 % is pure crap

:-p

hey so you paid for stermy lessons. noone's going to think less of you for that.

Heartless (brainless if u want) is an asshole, I never took lessons with stermy, so it is another stupid thing said.

just lessons with z4muz and strenx

hey I'm sure paying for video game lessons will make noone think less of you.

thats so similar to what yuka said to careem hahah the more u post the more im sure u hax

the more you post the more i'm sure you're retarded.

;)

hai yuka

i'm not yuka, i'm heartless.

oh sorry i allways confuse you two ;)

"btw, i only play CA"

yet you got over 1000 duels on your ql account? :d

yeah, i used to play quite a lot of dm6 & sometimes ztn, but it was months ago. And i've never taken it too serious, i mean, i wanted to improve for sure, but that's all.

after playing that many duels and still being fucking terrible in duel that's quite impressive

fucking terrible ?

Ok, i'm far from being a pro, but i'm definitely more than decent at dm6 or ztn. As i said many times, if i play focused, without music, i can definitely be pretty good. I've already beat some pretty good players months ago when i used to play more duel than ca :P, and by pretty good i've got some nicks in mind, but i won't tell there cuz it's useless and you know i don't want to go like "zomg i've beat this or that player, zomg i'm so good look at that", especially when i know that i'm still not the best duel player, for sure lol.
And btw, at this point, i know that i don't really lack aim or anything, what i really lack is mostly experience, routine, and better timings mainly. But i don't want to practice duel if it's not 100% worth it, you know, i want another mappool etc, so that's why i'm waiting for the next update, as everyone there i guess.

You don't even know me, you don't know shit about all this crap, but still you keep oppening your fucking clueless mouth just for the sake of it. What do you expect know, that i lick your balls ?

why do you rage so hard? seriously, nothing happend.
inkind said that he doesn't like ra3 maps and you go apeshit calling him a retard, raging about aiming, clan arena, fatality and duel players in general.
that doesn't make any sense, dude. calm the fuck down.

sure it does, in your head it doesn't, cuz you're a tard and you can't understand.

Moron, the problem is u ...

give up llama.

everyone is forced to give up vs your retardness.

; D

;)

I'm glad you found this, I knew I had seen all this somewhere, but couldn't remember who or where. I don't see how they could get Slasher for something that someone already blew the lid on weeks ago.

why the edit?

Thunder

Well, the EULA says that they can ban you for any reason they want, without warning or notice.

Announcing all this over a live stream will probably qualify then, even if it has been posted all over ESR beforehand.

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Other than this post, I haven't made any comments. In years.

Valve > id

Gabe Newell >> John Carmack

oh its vedic !


btw....




Turn that SH*T UP !

This.

wrong !

I'll repeat what Terrorhead said.

Valve > id

Face it.

i agree but still

quake > all

face it

there is no other real competition games beside quake and starcraft period

valve games re a joke

they should be played on xbox or whatever

Starcraft does not deserve to be lumped in with the shit that is Q3.

starcraft deserves a 6th place after qw, q2, q3, q4 and ql

no.

Yes.

no.

Yes.

No.

Yes.

no.

ok fuck off

no.

starcraft deserves the 1st place with qw, q2, q3, q4 and ql

Fixed.

No.

Oh yeah right, ql is second.

sc and q4 1st

yes

q4.

lol.

i agree that q4 is the best quke till now but sc is on the last place my friend

and then on like 20th place is counter strike and all that other crap from valve

>q4 the best quake
>sc last place

Kill yourself.

cpm & sc 1st.

cpm?

challenge promode

challenge promode ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI5SyXD070

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atI5SyXD070 ?

yep

yo sur ?11?

ofc

rly?

y

no.

Yes.

no

I was only comparing companies mate. Quake > sliced bread :D

Valve is so bloody caring about its consumer base. A great anti-cheat system, digital delivery, awesome discounts on package deals and what not.

I do agree that Steam support can suck at times and they just don't reason with you because their policies are ridiculously strict. Any company out there that whines about piracy of PC games and shit and uses that excuse to justify not giving out dedicated server support and crap, should take a look at Valve and learn something. TF2 updates are like Strenx's LG. Fucking ON all the time.

so i said i agree with you

id doesnt give a shit about ppl

It's DRM - it's bad. Eot.

It's the only hope for a PC gamer. Activision sold its soul and now wants to do damage control:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6268257.html

Ubisoft has gone crazy with DRM, yes. I wouldn't be surprised if future multiplayer game model would be subscription based. Activision already hinted at that as quoted by Game Informer magazine. So what do you have? id? lol..please! Valve is the word.

TF2, CSS just got updated yesterday. 1.6 is still alive unlike Q3 in the competitive scene. Nuff said?

The possibility of it being even worse doesn't legitimate DRM.

EA's CEO openly stated that they release games on torrents to gain publicity and more hits. Also, it increases the chances of getting the end user to actually purchase the game, if they like it.

Forked tongue of these same suit wearing cunts about piracy and releasing their own games on torrents and naive people are the perfect grounds to sell Modern Warfare 2 for $60 to a pc gamer. Did the pc gamers not buy it? It shattered Batman's boxoffice record on launch day.

Who's trying to legitimize DRM? I'm only saying, it's the only choice for a pc gamer for now.

If you want new fancy games, yes.

I do own a legit Orange Box and CS:S, though. Only games I bought the past ~nine years.

Impulse Reactor is hopefully the future of PC games.

rFactor

face it that you are someone who try to win a battle on the internet.

Guess what.. I forfeit. you won. gratz

lolwut?

ye, exactly. you are smart !

Why rage?

I'm perfectly calm. Are you?

Provide the evedence you have Einstein.

Please search for it. Or maybe you don't have any and end up saying w/e I'm a R'Tard.

Nice logic.

you replied to ME now didn't you. Still failing, Mr Smartypants

You're good at talking to yourself. Please carry on.

You are takling to ME so that makes you even worse. 5 steps ahead or what?

I'll stop. Comment # 148 pretty much sums you up. Should've read. Kthxbye!

did you leave?

Depends. As fathers id had a son that made him proud. When your apprentice beats your achievements is because you have been a good master.

maybe

you are basically asking a poker player to give you more info.

you don't get that info, and come posting this sh*t on esr.

probably the most retarded thing ive read this week thank you

nice

couldn't agree more

Code Changes:

FreezeTag Specific
FreezeTag is now its own game type. (g_gametype 9)
Hud updates to display players remaining
Scoreboard updates to display players remaining
Frozen animation improvements.
Ice gibs when players are thawed
Fix for thaw stealing. Players with a lower client number were able to steal thaws from teammates
Thaw time on a frozen player now slowly increases back to 3 seconds rather than snap back to 3 seconds when leaving the radius of the frozen player. This allow you to push a team mate around with the gauntlet and still eventually thaw them.
Other Code Changes:
Added g_spawnPowerups cvar to allow us to toggle the presence of power-ups in a server instance.
Fix for Com_sprint running out of buffer space
Team locator icons are now visible regardless of the PVS. (i.e. visibility is ignored for teammates)
Flight fuel reduced from 32secs to 16secs.
Map 'author' support added to display level design credit for jointly owned community map additions.
Something secret for testing next week (a little public reminder for myself).
Reduced the blood/gore in many/most player model skins and weapons.
Removed statues depicting decapitation (replaced with alternative statues).
Removed vulgar and suggestive botchat.
Removed the slash/grrl skin option.

Website Changes:

Added Standard/Premium/Pro user site functionality, including the ability to purchase account subscriptions or redeem tokens for subscription.
Most of the site has been revamped or retouched. All features are supposed to be fully functional so please report any and all discovered issues. Be sure to check out the Account Settings page and test ALL of the available options.
Recent code/game changes:
Added FreezeTag
New auto-complete code, including the ability to autocomplete map names during console callvotes.
We now by default force enemy models - cg_forceEnemyModel now defaults to "keel/bright".
Added 'spec pu'.
Added aspect ratio correct crosshairs - crosshairs are no longer squished on widescreen.
Minimum respawn delay lowered from 2100ms to 2000ms.
Removed the biker/cadaver skin option.
Removed the few remaining blood/gore decals (lostworld, beyondreality, campgrounds, forgottenplace, grimdungeons, hellsgate).
Battlesuit balance adjustment, no longer prevents splash damage (all damage including splash is still reduced by 75%; you still take no damage from lava; still take no damage from acid/slime; still cannot drown...).
Known Issues
Limited HUD options
Missing tim_pump.wav sound (trigged by the GUI menu).
Map Changes

We would appreciate it if you heavily tested and provided feedback for the 27 maps listed below. We hope you take the time to play all of them and then give an additional amount of testing to our high priority 'newly designed' maps. You will find that some of these maps are in early testing. During the testing phases maps will move from Blockout, to Alpha, to Beta and then Release Candidate. Please reference the map's Focus Project thread to determine what state the map currently is in, what needs to be tested and what feedback we are currently interested in.

Newly Designed Maps (High Priority):
Black Cathedral #
Cold War #
Leviathan #
Stonekeep #

New Community Additions to QL from QLForum (Intermediate Priority):
Phrantic *
Purgatory

New Community Additions to QL from Q3 (Intermediate Priority):
Aerowalk #
Battleforged #
Canned Heat #
Cannery
Dismemberment
Dreadful Place (was The Dreadful Place ) #
Evolution #
Focal Point
Gothic Rage #
Intervention #
Overkill *
Realm of Steel Rats
Revolver *
Somewhat Damaged *
Theatre of Pain
Three Story
Thunderstruck

New Additions to QL from Q3A/TA (Low Priority):
Death Factory
Evil Playground
Fatal Instinct
Overlord

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In addition to new content, we have pushed new updated versions of all of our existing map content. Some of these changes were made nearly a year ago but never released to the public. Many maps have had slight gameplay adjustments made due to popular demand, while others just have small bug fixes and new lighting. All of the maps now have True Vertexlighting and all of them maps except Bloodrun and our Training maps now have dirt map lighting. Please give these maps a run through. We are interested in any outstanding issues that need to be addressed, both bugfixes and gameplay improvements.

Existing QL Map Content (Low Priority):
Almost Lost #
Arena Gate #
Asylum #
Base Siege
Beyond Reality
Bloodlust #
Bloodrun #
Brimstone Abbey #
Campgrounds
Chemical Reaction #
Cobalt Station
Courtyard (was Courtyard Conundrum) #
Demon Keep #
Dredwerkz #
Dueling Keeps
Eviscerated (was Place of Many Deaths)
Fallout Bunker
Forgotten (was Forgotten Place) #
Furious Heights
Grim Dungeons #
Hearth (was Arena of Death) #
Hell's Gate
Hell's Gate Redux #
Hero's Keep #
Hidden Fortress #
House of Decay #
Inner Sanctums
Ironworks
Lost World #
Nameless Place
Powerstation #
Proving Grounds #
Quarantine #
Rebound #
Retribution (was Temple of Retribution) #
Sacellum (was Temple of Pain) #
Scornforge
Siberia #
Space Chamber
Space CTF
Spillway (was House of Pain) #
Stronghold #
Terminal Heights #
Longest Yard (was The Longest Yard)
Trinity #
Troubled Waters
Vertical Vengeance #
Vortex Portal

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* New as of July 7th
# Updated on July 7th
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More info on Premium & Pro coming soon.

There is two new paid services to QL. Premium, and Pro. Both are XX per month, charged annually. Pro has more features than Premium. All new maps coming into QL with this update can ONLY be played on PREMIUM or higher servers. If you connect to a regular server and want to play Aerowalk, you can't.

Pictures:
http://s913.photobucket.com/albums/ac339/longliveslasher/ql/

Changelog:
http://freetexthost.com/bkzfegu1ts

Edit: Removed dead links

lol wut?

also, a rail on phrantic?

LOL WUT?

rail & shaft :>

Long live Slasher!

is this really happening ? i just couldnt believe

:O

:O

Even if you aren't Slasher, he's probably going to get the heat for this.

Who cares? LOL!

fine with me, id's own fault

So you condemn their decision? Are you seeking your account back, and do you still support them?

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He pulled back the curtain on the dumbass wizards.

:O

:O

OMG ARE THEY RELEASING THIS ALL IN ONE UPDATE? MY BALLS WILL NOT HANDLE IT.

There is two new paid services to QL. Premium, and Pro. Both are XX per month, charged annually. Pro has more features than Premium. All new maps coming into QL with this update can ONLY be played on PREMIUM or higher servers. If you connect to a regular server and want to play Aerowalk, you can't.

well these guys are insane

That's the part of this that makes me wonder if we just got epically trolled.

why?

it's obvious that they are losing money with QL. They are after all a company that is supposed to pay their employees.
There are lost of other games that offer special stuff for subscriptions, and that seems to work.

Sure it sucks for us, but I wouldn't call it going insane. After all people can continue to play like they are right now.

The biggest problem I see is that if tournaments like Zotac want hub in their map choices, that would mean everyone who wants to participate has to buy a subscription. Make it possible for everyone to play the maps on special "tournament servers" wouldn't solve it, cause there would be no way to practice.

Last hope is, that It doesn't say yet, whether normal people are restricted from joining premium servers. It could be that they can only be spawned by paying users but joined by others as well. I think that is quite unlikely, though.


I guess what it really boils down to is how much they ask for the subscription.
If it's something like $5 and $10 per year, I think people can afford that.

It's way too late to turn it around.

well, beats them giving up and shutting it down, I guess.

Per year? How could they ever make ends meet? =DDD

if they get five thousand to pay the $5 and three thousand $10. then that's $55,000.

Should be enough to cover some expenses they have. Nothing big, sure, but probably enough to keep the project at aeound zero. I mean, let's face it, it's not like they are pouring that much mapower into this.

doesnt cover 1 persons salary out of maybe 5+ people who work on the game


if they used it as some kind of webbased steam-like program for all of their modern games would maybe make the time invested worth it

discuss that wage thing with vedic please ;P

$55,000 per YEAR for what players will be expecting constant updates to, and that's if it even gets a response that big. $55,000 is two minimum wage employees for a year. (and no, they don't work for minimum wage)

yeah, I was more aiming at one full time just for improvements.
Or rather put three guys on it and have them write ours on the project. One mapper, one coder, one gameplay guy or something like that.
I mean, if I look at projects at my company 2000 hours can get a lot of stuff done. (Ok, we'd charge a bit more than 55 000, but still ... :P)

Maintenance is another thing, I'd think how much that really costs them depends a whole lot on how they handle things. I hear the server providers run on their own?


Yes, I agree it's a long shot, but what are they supposed to do, really?
If they go ahead and demand $20/$30 it would reduce the number of people subscribing and leave them with even less money, while have even hgher obligations (people who pay 5 will demand more than those who pay 20).

And, if they can show a higher number of subscriptions, they might become more attractive to advertising companies!

There doesn't have to be a right answer - neither one is sustainable with the current playerbase.

This is why it was a bad idea from the start, and should have just had a price tag, and been released as a finished product.

edit: also, I don't think the ad problem is a lack of motivation on the corporate side, but merely that the advertising company that provided ads to most in-game ad services went under due to being unable to turn a profit.

yes.

but that doesn't mean the ad sales couldn't go up once they are more attractive.

Well, I think the ad company itself went under (they were trying to sell the company and file for bankruptcy last year), so they don't really have a choice. They hosted ads for almost all games that had in-game ads (including many large titles), but still weren't making a profit.

id might have to restructure the ad supply system entirely in order to even allow someone else to come in and supply ads.

5 $ per year or per month?

I wrote $5 per year as a number I think every single player can easily afford and would consider to pay.
Pure speculation on my part though.

$5 per month will probably attract noone, as nowadays most people are used to getting servers for free.

5 bucks a month is nothing, that is 1 lunch, that I will gladly skip to play QL.

Thats $60 a year. A ridiculous amount to pay just to play a cut-down, child-safe version of q3 in a browser. Especially considering how people have been playing it for free for 10 years.

For comparison, a $60 one time payment gets you sc2. An actual new game, with new content and updates to come for many years.

While I could certainly afford it, I wouldnt pay it out of principle. Fuck id.

if the info is right, ql is still free to play

i considered 2-3 $ per month for "premium", 4 $ as the absolute maximum

might be advantegeous for id to cash in only once per year to get as many premiums as possible at the beginning (i.e with a limited reduced offer of 50-60 % of the planned fee)

So you're honestly fine with the idea of paying id to play maps that were created by other people and made available for free many years ago?

The up front annual payment part is especially worrisome, since it looks like they are try to collect as much as possible right away. Not only is there no guarantee of future content, but they might even pull the plug on QL a few months later and say no refunds.

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it's obvious that this initiative will have pro's and tourneys support because they are on the focus group. This means tournaments will have hub or aerowalk on their maplist so it serves as a promotion to the premium/pro features.

it's obvious because if it doesn't happen nobody would buy it ever (check #282)

sweet, thanks, this leak is very appreciated.

"Something secret for testing next week (a little public reminder for myself). "

I wonder what that will be :)

:O)

If i were a billionaire I'd have like 200 quake tournaments with $100,000 divided up as grand prizes for each tournament.

Shit would be so cash.

Who wants to donate to me ???

:o

And that update looks pretty damn nice if true.

But they are missing:
+Capturestrike
+threewave maps
+Fix the fucking soundcode
+more stats
+Ladders
+GTV
+MVD

only if you don't invite rapha and you rig the tournament so that cooller wins once for a change

I'll have the guys from GWAR sit right next to rapha to fuck with his mental game.

Opposite cooller, will be some hot swedish chicks, and place fox in the corner looking very pissed off.

what's your paypal?

GWAR rofl

Dave Brockie would probably be entranced by his game and get distracted from his task of being... distracting.

Oderus: "Damn, this guy's actually pretty good".

While cooller would be all times blue-balled.

I can't believe they put a rail on phrantic...

they? who they ?
What tells you the layout is final ?

Why do I feel so smart when I read esr threads?

:/

They, as in "the people who put rail on phrantic".

What does the layout being final matter or not to his comment?

It's no wonder you feel "so smart", that's what stupid people generally think all the time.

theres not such thing as the people, it's only one guy, the mapper.

Maybe that the map has been added from scratch and nothing has been changed since then ? Proper testing will be made and changes might occur, including the removal of the rail if needed be.


The point about stupid people generally thinking they're smart sounds nice. Have you written a book or made some kind of statistical research on the subject ? Would love to read.

"They" can refer to a single person as well, so it's still correct, learn English or stop trying to comment on it.

The design of Phrantic whether remade, remixed or whatever term you want to use is still "Phrantic" ergo they have still added a railgun. Just like hub3aeroq3 is aerowalk with the addition of a railgun.

I can't wait to test this one, i think a rail could work quite well on this map.
Also i like the texturing =)

i dont think i could live without the decapitated Visor statue on dm9!

and what about grrl? I WOULD KILL MYSELF IF THEY GOT RID OF MA GRRL >:(

I'm a noob, how many of the 'old' maps are actually useful?

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how many of those maps are new duel maps? looks like Battleforged is the only new map

Honestly I don't care how frustrated you are with how id are handling things, if you're going to leak stuff just leak it with a real account and man up to it.

Honestly I dont think he cares what you think.

Well we're all in the same boat, him doing something anonymously like this will just lead to consequences for everyone, just expressing my frustration.

No skin off my nose anyway if he doesn't care, at least I put in my two cents.

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[-]

>Newly Designed Maps

Let's have a look, shall we?

http://q3a.ath.cx/?mapdetails=Leviathan
Release date 2001-04-25

http://q3a.ath.cx/?mapdetails=actf21
Release date 2000-12-30

Oh well.

yes, because it's impossible that two maps have the same name, right?

Show me some q3 maps having the same name.

Considering it says "Newly Designed Maps"

why would he?

We'll see.

Yes, you will.

http://s913.photobucket.com/albums/ac339/longliveslasher/fail/

That gallery isn't that nice like your previous was.

Great... new, good maps, after years of waiting, and i'm forced to pay money to be able to play on them. Fuck this fucking shit, man. Fuck it to hell.

I might be the only one who thinks so, but lol, that update is still lacking so many things to get anywhere close to something worth paying for. :o)

it's all a matter of perspective :p

Now get back to quake!

hmm paying to play the maps... yep, that's gonna keep the game alive. specially now when no one even gives a fuck anymore :D

what if it's only a test to see if they can make such restricted access on maps ?

Also in my opinion if that ever happens, that will be a way to get some more premium users at first, but all the maps, in the end, would prolly be released to all players, including standard users.

Imo it's more like 'if you want to try out our newest designed CTF map before everyone else, get yourself a premium account, for exclusive stuff.' etc.

That's a good commercial thing imo. And tbh, I was planning to pay those 3 euro/month, I used to spend more money playing flipper when I was a kid.

They've already said that they're operating ads at a loss, and that this "premium" content is the only hope for even possibly keeping the game alive.

sauce?

It was in an interview a few months ago (maybe even last year). They were pulling in like $200/mo in ad revenue. =X

mayonnaise

yes, and that is also what I said.

Look guys, there's this great new map, to test it one (two) weeks before the others, get yourself a premium pack!

Boom, premium user increase.

Why would they give anything to regular members when they NEED the premium content to stay afloat? This is ignoring just how many premium sales they will need (unless it's extremely expensive for premium content) just to justify the costs.

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I have no idea, especially if we talk about ante/post QuakeLive release to public officially, under a good advertising from id software... But if the prices arent very high, I think it should be a reasonably good increase each time they make such things.

EDIT: Id probably do it by the way, but I already plan on doing it anyway just to have the premium or pro account.

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i could also feed him rather than drink a couple beers more per month.

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well without them we wouldnt have lived great things such as iem world finals, dubai, gamescom, eswc, dreamhacks... on such a high level. And I'm not even talking about all the esr-dramas and lolmoments (thinking of the famous Im talking it by cooller to strenx, or the avek's shoes stolen, jay and joe's marvellous castings, the recent dreamhack drama with strenx and avek, etc.)

We cant take that away from them can we ? :P

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if it turns out to be that way then it's good... but if it's gonna be pay or dont play then it's gonna suck. seriously, that'd be like getting starcraft, but without broodwar.

and anyway, if this isn't just a troll thing about these payment models, i dont know how zotac and similar cups would be ran, prolly they'll slap a big banner "DONT SIGN UP IF YOU DONT HAVE AT LEAST A PREMIUM ACCOUNT".

thats my point. They are sensed people and they know it's gonna suck to do it like that...

Note the bottom bit of that post isn't actually from the changelog by the way, so that might just be how they're testing it at the moment.

i would so gladly pay a few bucks per month to make sure ql stays alive, development continues and we get new content

id and ourselves would have been better off had ql not even been announced tbh

they completely fucked a lot of potential new blood(200,000+ !) when they queue-fucked everyone when beta first came out

no lan

release 24 maps, 19 of which were already in q3, then demand yearly subscription to play them

im down to support a game worth supporting.. but these guys seem like they want the game to fail. in every aspect they seem to make themselves look really bad or make some major fuck up. in the end they want ~10 a year from us when the game isnt even at q3's level yet

they cant make money because they cant get their game popular because they perpetually fuck everything up. lose/lose for everyone \o/

its 6am im going to bed ok

well i am bitterly idssapointed by id aswell but what can you do?
if ql gets closed the community is really fucked, the core will go back to q3 but lots of players will be lost together with the big money tournaments
so lets do the best out of it...

and btw, i hope you mean q3 cpma cause otherwise saying that ql is not even on the same level as q3 is just soo wrong

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Africa? Poor kids all over the place? How about STOP FUCKING.

yeah , we could save some on birth control stuff, by not fucking and feed childrens in africa!

Like that hasn't been done already :O

so this is real?
release at quakecon?

maybe ql will become great by the next update but its too late

a lot of people kept playing because they were hoping ql will become as good as osp/cpma someday... but ID seriously you cant expect people to play crap for over 2 years. QL IS DEAD

unfortunately, i agree =/
going open beta without any priv system in place also made sure of the fail. ah well play it while its still here! :(

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and when is that update coming??

Probably like a week before quakecon to get the hype up.

or maybe a little ealier so mappools can be changed :)

I wouldn't be surprised if the top contending players (especially American's) are part of this closed beta of the new maps.


Blatantly given Fatal1ty access so he can practice the fuck out of them before anyone else, make a super-serial comeback and wtfbbqpwn

doom3 all over again

I always thought Fatal1ty was pretty good at frantic. He held mouse1 and spammed the fuck out of red armor so very well, and when he was out of control he sat at the top of the YA jump-pad and ran in whichever opposite direction his opponent came.

If it gets put in the map pool, HE MAY BE THE ULTIMATE WINNAR

That is, until Toxic decides it's time for a new Rolex.

banning people by their credit card number, the best cheat-protection.

Getting second cc number is easy. ESL Player Card is the bet way for get rid of cheaters i online leagues/tournaments.

have a +

NICE WORK ID!!!!
put a map from q3 into ql and charge money for that.

Paying for a game that I wish to die? NO WAY o/

this is interesting to say the least. ctrl-c everything lol.

I won't have an opinion now before I can see this happening but I have one addition to everything that was said: Premium/Pro services won't work in any region besides the US.
If that account is required for every player then what will happen is that one player will have it but the other one will not. Now expand this to regions with lag issues (which are truly everyone besides the US): this will be a massive failure worldwide.

USA/NA has lag problems also. I normally have to play with 70 ping and up vs 20/30 just cause I live in the northwest region instead of the pocket of gaming in the southeast.

Might not be as severe a problem as it is in chile or w.e but its still a problem if they want me to pay now :(

more than Chile I thought of europe. We are not a market to consider you know, and also we can play against argentinians with about 40/50 ping on the best case scenario. Also it is playable within the US (idk about canada because I've never played from there but 60 ping is ok without PL and with a steady connection).
On the other hand europeans now have lots of lag problems with each other due to faulty ISPs among other reasons therefore they have to play on the same country or in nearby country servers, therefore less chances to play with someone that has a premium or pro account.
(this if ofc an indirect to cooller [like almost all my posts] because if hub or other premium map gets picked he won't be able to practice it)

A good approach to this is to compare it with cod6 lack of dedicated servers: it works for public servers on the US but makes the game unplayable on any region besides that because of the lag issue. That's one of the reasons why franchise's name went down a lot (among with the subsequent lack of private servers, tournaments and mods, etc) even when cod6 is a fn awesome game.

Now an early opinion about premium/pro: personally I'd consider it if there's enough people that have it (as said before) but also is key to have more content than that. I won't pay for 20ish maps but maybe I would if I could spawn private servers (in quakelive), more maps, more mods (hint: cpm), more content from other id games (quakelive should be a compilation of them so it should have ospdm1 q2dm1 remake, at least one quake1 map, maybe a doom conversion....and I love japanese castles), and hopefully lan support on which also I can play with my friends that don't have that type of account..