Are you talking about Quakecon?

yea

what's the list?

Masters & Open Duel Map Pool:

Aerowalk
Battleforged
Bloodrun
Furious Heights
Lost World

as leaked by user reload01, but who was not kidding either as seen by the maps played by american pros in the big bang lan.

Battleforged is 1000 times better than phrantic. I'm not sure how often you played it, it takes a while to learn, maybe thats why you'r saying its too big, because it really isn't.
Phrantic was the worst map in q4 (in the end, when maps like monsoon and placebo effect existed) and personally, I dont want to see or play it ever again.

"it takes a while to learn" then whats the point of putting it in qcon and lowering the quality of competition, its very obvious not all 32 of the pro tournament players will have equal grasp of the map, some probably have not played it more than 2-3 times before tournament. I just hate the unprofessional attitude of id.

I agree that it's completely retarded to release the map pool and maps only a few days before quake con.

But we all wanted to see new maps, id just did what we asked.
Battleforged is the only new map in the pool, so I think every player in the pro tournament is able to put a bit more effort into learning it than just playing it 2-3 times.
Depending on rules, players in the group stages might be able to remove it, anyways.

removing beats the whole purpose of putting a new map, I still think either they should have put hektik or just should have kept tourney9.

no way ! :)

battleforged is a good duel map :)

btw, fuck off, t9 & dm13, thks.

if they've only played battleforged twice in a week before a very big tournament, that's retarded in itself.

I know that:

-aerowalk = hub3aeroq3 in q3
-battleforged = map_phantq3dm1_rev in q3

But and:
- hetkit = ???

Other question: this Phrantic is the same map of the q4 or cpm22?

hektik is a completely new map, phrantic is closer to the version of q4 imo, but it has now a rail

cpm24 in cpm is phrantic

cpm22 is actually aerowalk


also the aerowalk in quakelive is closer to cpm22 than hub3aeroq3 even though textures are same as hub3aeroq3, the structure strongly resembles cpm22, most notably the slits in the RA ledge, makes camping at RA like in q3's hub3aeroq3 kind of impossible.

phrantic and cpm24 play really differently, people need to stop saying stuff like that
you can compare it with phrantic in q4 though and it sucked (not even talking about the jumpsn that arent possible anymore, makeing the map even more stale)

I was just correcting him as he referred cpm22 as phrantic, the ql one is almost same as the q4, also if you had to port one map for quake 4, I guess monsoon would have been first choice.

battleforged is way better than em all

maybe...... we will get to see anyway. I am just asking who decided that and what factors were taken into account, cause no matter how bad a map is, some people like it as it suits their style.

i guess the focus group influenced the decision quite a bit
but watch the rapha vs dahang vods on battleforged, it plays really well

exactly

yep, battleforged <3

I don't know if it was DaHanG or rapha but one of them commented on the stream after that he really hated Battleforged.

Ah here it is

what vod and where to see them playing battleforged?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1933517#pid1933517
rapha played it in every match if i recall correctly

i like battleforged!

besides after all these years what do you expect from a quakecon?

It's not questionable. It's rubbish.

Any pics or videos of these new maps for non-premium people?

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8790493

second map

looks nice :O!

You can play all the maps in practice against bots.

Has anyone actually played focal point? Everyone seems to write it off but I haven't seen any discussion on how it actually plays. It seems like it could be a bit lg heavy but it's worth trying I think.

I hope they change the map pool some more after the current tournament session, hektik or dismemberment (hub3tourney1) could replace dm13.

i m more for hektik since its brand new :P

yea from first impression hektik seemed better, focal point is kind of bland.

hetik is fast / aim map.. we need have more maps in map pool for brains and map control. if add hetnik, remove hub.

battleforged BEST "new" map. Need add extra RL near mega/tp @ 1st floor.

Phrantic is shittest map in QL i saw. CA2 even better 3 times :) (not only my opinion, most pros think so).

ye it aint that good in ql imho.
no crouch and no projectiles throught portal totally change its gamestyle, and well ...rail.

Focal point looks cool, but needs some changes to the item layout or geometry to make it into a better duel map. It's too open and is pretty much an aim map.

I fucking hate phrantic.

why?

well I actually meant the q4 version. Along with my hate for q4 I had reached new hights when I had to play phrantic too back in those days. So bad memories I guess?

At least it's not f$cking bliptourney1 :0

For future tournaments, kick out dm13, add hub3tourney1, then kick t7 and ztn as we get new maps or maps get fixed IMO.

t7 & ztn = untouchable.

best maps ever.

t7???
really???

yes t7 is a good semi-new map.

If ztn is untouchable, then t7 should be raped in a dark alley.

i just checked out battleforged. it's really nice. looking forward to see this in tournaments.

I think the QL version of phrantic is actually a big improvement over all it's past incarnations. Honestly rail works really well in this map.

You can still quite easily jump from lower ya btw, jump on the pipes ;(

battleforged is a great map

Climbing those pipes with quakelive movement is akin to watching a one legged midget climb a mountain

As a side note, I would pay to watch the above

you're not only paying to watch the above, you're paying to do the above as well (just not the same part)

Pro Map pool
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Battleforged
Dismemberment
Aerowalk
BloodRun
Hektik


Newb Map pool
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Vertical Vengeance
Lost World
Campgrounds
Furious Heights
House of Decay


:o?

Pro map pool
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BloodRun (all times classic)
AeroWalk (all times classic)
FuriousHeights (semi-new map)
BattleForged (100% new)
Dismemberment/FocalPoint (100% new)

I know that some maps like dismemberment etc already existed in the q3 era, but i still consider them as 100% new cuz they were basically never played, especially at high lvl.

Wasn't Dismemberment used in a few tournaments?

edit: Yep it was used at CPL Holland at least, probably others, so not new however you cut it.

but there isnt much to do on Dismemberment, it has only two central places, thats boring.

Yeah, in fact dismemberment is quite old, but still, if you compare to dm13, dm6 etc, IT IS a new map ;). And didn't know about cpl holland =), anyway, here again, it's not like dm6,13,ztn etc, i don't remember dismemberment in any major quake 3 event, by major i mean eswc quakecon etc etc, and also some online cups, i mean, most of the players don't really know the map very well etc. I still consider it as a new map, well, ok, maybe not 100% new then, but like i said, if you compare to dm13 etc...

That said many people seem to find the map quite boring, seems like it's a pretty good & balanced map, but with nothing special, i mean, if the pros played it seriously it could result in some quite boring and "flat" gameplay. And i personally don't really like the fact that it just looks like hub (i mean, the theme is the same), so...
Focal Point anyone ? :P

BattleForged (100% new)

100% new my ass :) google it buddy.

yeah =)

well, i consider it as a 100% new map in comparison to maps like dm6,13,ztn etc ^^.

and it just feels like a new map :P. and also, i don't remember the map at any major q3 events etc, in the past, so...

and it seems like a good duel map :)

naw i never heard of it before it came to QL, i just find it funny how almost any map they release is really new..

i hope all the "old" maps(ztn, hub, dm13) gets taken out from the mappool soon though, new maps \o/

for dm13, i agree, fuck off dm13. for ztn & hub, no way, they are untouchable.

old hub = gr8 map, it mast be in pro mappool!

Battleforged is a decent map. Kinda ztn/t7 vibe to it. Worthy addition.

Hektik would be a good replacement for dm13. Then take out T7 and replace it with a new 'brain' map

Phrantic can gtfo. T9 I don't mind so much but there's enough fast paced (lol) 'aim' maps in the pool and dm6 can take a hike

Aerowalk shouldn't be in any map pool. It's shit (in QL)

NO OLD MAPS

Tis issue worthy of a poll!

Aerowalk: awesome
dm6: good riddance
t9: good riddance
battleforged: feels interesting, has a kind of dm13 vibe to it, except it has rail and is slightly more open, which makes it better
ztn: alltimes best map
dm13: brain map, but alltimes zzz to play and watch. replace if possible
t7: a mediocre map that could be replaced with something new
t4: good map, but too old and stale

so: aerowalk, ztn, battleforged, ?, ?

One of ?'s is dm17

"t7: a mediocre map that could be replaced with something new"

So wrong, t7 is the best semi-new map atm.

"so: aerowalk, ztn, battleforged, ?, ?"

aerowalk, ztn, battleforged, t7, dismemberment/focal point

t7 has an incredibly stupid layout. Dying in an equal fight will quite often mean winning map control, which is just retarded.

well, when i watch av3k or rapha playing t7, it's always entertaining ;)

Then analyse why is that and try to control that moment. Basically t7 is like: your traditional values don't work here; here if you have items control you can still lose it easily, so there is something other than control that is important too and you have to discover it and try to invent some bloody NEW ways to win other than just trying to control items. So that special layout actually introduces more depth to gameplay, it makes you think of non-standard stuff like death timing, for example, when you try to die in a specific moment out of control to gain some of that control at respawn, etc, etc, etc., instead of repeating standard strategies over and over again, because as you noticed, these strategies do not guarantee you a win anymore.
And you basically say, fuck this shit, I don't want any fresh ideas in gameplay. I want to play the same way people are playing for 10 years that became boring to death. Is it really what you want for the game?

You keep saying that everytime anyone mentions t7. That doesn't make your opinion as a CA player about a duel map more important, though.

fuck you

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

sry

Battleforged isn't more open than DM13, there are hardly open areas. It's only smaller.

What have you been smoking?

The only thing open about dm13 is the main RL area, everything else is a neverending extremely narrow corridor. Even if that map had a railgun (a weapon for open areas and bigger distances) you would rarely use it.

On battleforged you can actually use rail to snipe people around the map, plus you can do damage to people going to RA/MH other than just spamming the entrances/exits to those items with rockets/plasma.

Yeah, DM13 has a three-level open area, there's no comparable area on Battleforged. Battleforged is narrow corridors only, and while you can use the rail you definitely can't snipe people around the map. The RA is in a secluded room (as opposed to DM13 where it's in the open). If DM13 had a railgun you would use far more frequently than on Battleforged since it has a long open area covering six entrances.

Okay, you want to prove your point? Let's play one duel on dm13 and one on battleforged on an .nl server, on dm13 you're not allowed to use rockets and on battleforged I'm not allowed to use rockets and lets see how the games play out?

No. Anyway I'm looking forward to see how Battleforged will play out on Quakecon.

hub = aerowalk or dismemberment? both share the hub nam e....

hub is short for The Hubster, the guy who made the maps. hub3aeroq3 is Aerowalk, hub3tourney1 is Dismemberment. That said, Aerowalk is sometimes referred to simply as hub.

Yeah. Same with ztn, who actually made more maps than just Blood Run.

Thank you both :)

Dismemberment/ is hubtourney1 right? which was horrible in q3... :D dont know about focal point maybe hettik a option instead those two..

its not exactly 1-1 the same as hub3tourney1

focal point is kind of bland, you basically have to make same plays over and over, hektik deserves one chance of playing it out, before a decision is made but my fear is since tourneys dictate map pool people play (yea its ridiculous that people who dont even compete refuse to play a non tournament pool map in a casual match, during the entire last year there were barely 3 or 4 people I knew who agreed to play t4 when asked) all following competitions will keep using battleforged only.

maplist all the new maps and we'll see which ones suck

Phrantic is too cramped and has no flow. People end up shooting at each other from corner to corner which creates a serious zzzZZzz fest. A good 1v1 map needs to have medium sized rooms which promote intense fights over items.

Hektik looks good, not sure if it will play well on pro lvl tho.
focal point.. hmmz dunno, maybe it's the textures, but the map feels sooo wrong:/
Battleforged looks pretty damn good.

I would like too see ztn, aerowalk, battleforged, t7 and hektik as the mappool.

I'm just glad dm6 is out, it is a horrible map with RA and mega. The old item placement with dm6tmp was decent, but lost in translation.

I dont know what all the hype about Battleforged is, Hektik is the shit

u play in qcon? no? so why do u care? :o

ztn
dm13
t7
aerowalk
battleforged
t9
phrantic


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focal point seems too open and the 2 levels favor the person in control even more (but for 1v1 clanarena, it might be a great map)
hektik looks super sweet, but might be too easy to control too (phrantic is better in that regard)
i'm kind of split on dm6, but it IS overplayed and the playerbase doesn't want it in the pool for at least another year i guess
t4 is dead
dismemberment might be a very sweet duel map, but it's ancient design says somehow no

so when I told battleforged looks like shit no one believed now see it for yourself, was the most pointless map in quakecon pool, not producing a good match even in the cases both players knew it.