Nice to see more maps (especially new ones) and QL still being updated.

Trick jumps seem too easy now though (maybe the tweaked step-height?). Bit of a shame to remove the skill/practice required to make some of them.

Chat tokens seem a bit useless too, could do with one for the item under your x-hair maybe?

Dunno, at least for me it's easier to read status from a chat line then to hower across 3 team mates with crosshair that are spread around QUAD :)

Still need #i for item near you and #l for location!

team overlay. do you use it? :)

I do, but doesn't show the ammo count which is what #w token is providing. Read up what Akuma suggested.

"- Fixed password prompt for privately launched servers preventing users from easily joining passworded matches. (Play Button Fix)"

FINALLY!!

wait, I got excited too early. "PLAY BUTTON" bug is still there! cmoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon fix it already pleeease!

>
Added a new pre-roll video ad player for standard user's match joins
< najs D: finally something new

Might be just me, but it feels like OSP movement (as if you have constant 125 FPS) but with maps that are smaller than usual.

Combat has gotten much faster too, if you and the enemy are fighting pretty close, you can jump right near them, into their range but the extra height means you can stay in air when passing them briefly, if you fire a rocket at the ground it pushes you further past them. Making the combat really interesting.

I used to jump forwards into enemy fire before the update to actually dodge effectively, it worked well, but now i can do it really easily. I can't wait to see cypher fight with these new physics, hes going to fucking beast people with his combos now.

"Combat has gotten much faster too, if you and the enemy are fighting pretty close, you can jump right near them, into their range but the extra height means you can stay in air when passing them briefly, if you fire a rocket at the ground it pushes you further past them. Making the combat really interesting."

This is true and funny. Its awesome when you surprise your enemy with a quick circlejump and while passing next to them you hit that rocket, as you go you can continue strafin with the speed you gained from the original jump+rocket impulse and finish with lg/rg depending on the circunstances.

let's rocket jump right beside of the villains xD

^^

ROFLCOPTER

<3 chainjumping / stepheight change

There, be useful and tell us what you think is gonna change cause right now I have no idea if it's good ( different pacing, rewarding aggressive plays ) or bad ( weirds jumps, clipping everywhere, the "yo stand up bro " effect when you hit a ledge and " barely " make it that I get way more than before and the fact that I already consider people who dare +forward rocket my ass while I'm desperately trying to lg them as über aggrogressive cpm bitches )

Is it only me or do the rockets feel faster ? I spent an hour landing crazy rockets earlier this morning because they felt pretty point'n'click.

gameplay wise barely anything will change, ppl might just miss some jumps less often

Do you mind developing a bit while I go get my axe in the basement?

As I have noticed it, now your able to jump up stairs more fast again. No more slowing down on stairs.

uhm... i'm at work so this is just a guess: chainjumping gives you a boost up stairs when you time the mini-jumps well, right?

could i do the same with circle-jumping in a close circle? the jumps would also be pretty close together... if we'd gain serious speed like this it could open up new ways of movement.

more food for thought: while be did not get ospdm5a (the version with the cpm jump stuff), we got cpm4. there should be some possibilities for jumps, eg. ra/lg room exit -> quad and rl tele exit -> ya/pg.

just think of double jumps because thats pretty much what it is, so no, it doesn't influence circle jumps

you gain height from them, not speed

and since the double jumps we got in ql are very nerfed versions of the cpm ones most of the cpm4 jumps aren't possible, the only one i can think off is RA room mid level to top

ah, ok. shame :<

So Cooller will have a higher chance to do rocketjumps ?

whatever chages you make there will be hard jumps but it can change old maps in bad way

mind explaining why?

Interesting stuff. Damn now i wanna play but can't :(

neat update! keep it coming ^^

On a side note: i wonder what the reason was for changing stepheight?

Because they can?

QUAD TRIPLE DAMAGE!

id software are on their way making the team mods more ffa with each update ... probably on the next update:

- Changed the machinegun rounds now deliver 7dmg

... hf 20 minutes mg rushing in tdm because quad is useless anyway

In Q3 it always was "Triple-Quad", but weapon damage was higher back then. However, that is not the case for the SG which is THE quadrun weapon atm. Maybe this change aims to reduce the SG's efficiency with Quad as the damage reduction should be most noticable with the SG spread on mid to long distances. 4x Quad has led to indiscriminate use of the SG no matter the distance.

On maps where a BS is present this change kinda re-evaluates the hole thing. On dm14 BS will rule Quad once again (was a bit up in the air after the splash damage change for BS) and on maps where Quad should be stronger than BS this change could have a big impact. Atm noone I know goes for BS over Quad on Purgatory. But with only a 3x Quad + RG and RL close to BS? Hm. Sounds like a deal.

I'll see how this plays out.

thing is ... from my understanding tdm is about securing the better items for the team to get an advantage in resources over the enemy team. Making powerups less valuable makes the game more ffa because there is nothing worthwhile to secure.

about the BS thing ... why not make BS stronger instead of making quad weaker?

PS: dont mind me too much ... this are the words of a qw fan :) a game where items do count :-)

How? BS was 75% damage reduction + 100% splash damage reduction already before the nerf (now its 75%/75%). Increasing the damage reduction even further ends in godmode for 30 seconds...

Powerups (at least Quad and BS) still have a huge impact on TDM, even with a weaker BS and only a 3x Quad. If anything, the normal items have become more important; I don't see how this will make TDM more FFA-ish.

qw has an actual god mode powerup :p

qw > any other quake

Aha, that's why QW has so many players then :).

certainly seems like its tdm community is more active than ql

I want numbers.

http://eql.quakeworld.nu/

about 40 teams

If you consider the game is old as fuck it's fucking incredible so many people still play it.
best tdm evah.

in fact its only 4 years older than q3 / ql? 8D

So does Q2 but it's called 'Invunerability' :(

'Invunerability' or 'Pentagram of Protection'

hmmm, i think i go with qw :P

You don't like me :(

Everyone likes you.

If the BS ever becomes like the pentagram I want it to spawn underwater with a lightning gun right next to it.

ZAPPO!

i can see how nerfing the sg is a much more complicated solution to this problem

the change in stepheight is going to make alot of jumps easier but might also add new ones. not sure if i like it though cause it removes the reward of mastering some jumps. just tried out dm13...

I don't like how id is making QL more noob friendly...that step height change should be reverted imo.

well its not black and white imho

i guess it helps new players getting into the game, but on the other hand it weakens the reward and motivation to learn and master the movement

the effect it has on jumps are also not just bad. the dm13 is, but look at those t7 jumps:



both were possible before, but now they can be done with dependability so they will actually be used

noobs still cant do you jump on t7

It makes a bunch of jumps go from doable but stupid to try ingame, to something you can get away with in a match if you have good movement. Don't see how that lowers movement skill at all.

I love your hud, would you mind sending it to me please?

i have uploaded my hud+cfg in my profile, the hud is only made for duel and tdm though

if they were possible before, they were always doable with dependability. l2discipline.

u can do the first with 1 jump only now...

nah, just retire the old and busted jumps that were 'hard' in q3. We will invent new shit that will make newbs go 'wtf?!'

this

its only up to mappers to create maps for the specific game physics

we re not gonna play current maps forever

and what this change actually did was making the game a bit faster which i like alot

now we need new maps designed especially for this physics

its only up to mappers to create maps for the specific game physics

Yeah and that's the difference between other quakes and this one. What are we going to get, 1 maybe 2 (and that's being very optimistic) brand new maps in the next year that'll offer new challenges made by these physics changes?

The way it is now feels kinda random, maybe incomplete as far as movement goes.

Finally I will be able to do this jump. :)

stepping height

chain jumping

I'm really curious now, gotta try that stuff

wow, the only chat tokens i don't need

true

:D \o/

Haha, true that :)

its always the same story with every ql update... ID adds a OSP/CPMA feature and still fails

Thats quite a lot of gameplay changes.

Purgatory (Swapped RG w/ SG near BS, Moved BS RL closer to BS)

Probably need to rethink tactics now :)

yeah, interesting change

now that QL movement ressembles more to Q2 I really would like to try QL out for some time, but I can't :-(

would be about time for me to update the article with ql maps

:)
btw i added the q3 mapnames but i cant find the ra3 one, someone help me out

It's part of ra3map2, which is a multiarena map

that'd be ra3map2_3

thanks

seems like my [+] powah is cut in half cause i plus you so often ;)

So this is the secret of gods and hax0rs

you can also insult he4rtl3ss, he will say you are nobody, then people will [+] the shit out of you. i got from 0% to 90ish in 4 hours or so :)

Same goes for fragerr.

And done!

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1933573

who fucking cares!

I do

The Fuck !?

ok faster rockets faster movement this make sense to me BUT atm we can only benefit from chainjumping at stairs :|

wondering if all the jumps from q2dm1 would be possible now in ql

if yes

GIMMIE THAT MAP NAOOO!!!

So I'm not the only one who feels like rockets are as fast as in cpm ( and even maybe a bit faster ) ?

they re at 1000ups for a long time now mate

their speed didnt change with this update but a long time ago

950 vs 900 in q3 iirc.
Possibly the overall speed buff that fucks with my mind though.

yeah higher jumps = faster game and actually i believe that was the main cause of changing it

imagine playing q2dm1 now with all the q2 jumps possible ;)

nabs gonna cry again cos they cant jump for mh lmao

Step height is too high :(

It's fine apart from that, though I think they need to re-rebalance BS and Quad.

EPIC:

- Changed Flight power-up into a holdable jetpack, hold the 'use' key to boost.
...

- Thunderstruck (Now cloudy with a 40% chance of precipitation)

Hell, do I like this update!

fucking conservatives everywhere ;/

i know man. i like the change too + old hitboxes + closed beta rockets but these fuckers :\

It's like ESR has become Fox News... unacceptable!

This just in: brutal car chase underway on the interstate 666....

I blame Christianity and Reagan.

I feel like it'll make a lot of VQ3 players angry.

The way I'm seeing is is that quakelive is starting to look more and more like CPM, instead of finding a balance. A lot of CPMA features are already implemented, but now also part of the physics. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going...

...to successfull and popular game which lasts for another decade?

please... chainjumping was thing in q2, cpm copied it and now its moved to ql which is superb.

cry me a river.

I'm glad. No one liked the slow counter strike gameplay of VQ3.

We want fast-paced, exciting deathmatch.

Even though I am a CPM player, I don't think watching a CPM game is that exciting.

The thing that makes Quake exciting is simply sneaking through corridors, might sound boring but certainly builds up tension for viewing audiences. That's it, someone trying to snatch an item that decides between loss or win. The slow buildup of comebacks adds to the climax of a player trying to make a comeback. No-one wants to see dull 40-30 scorelines.

Even though I am a CPM player, I don't think watching a CPM game is that exciting.

Obvious lie is obvious.

I want to see 40-30 scores, not 4-3 where the outcome is decided by luck.

No, nzr0, you really don't want that :) however that's the score I already play vs you on QL :)

Yeah, I do. 4-3 games are only exciting when they are out of the ordinary. When all games are like that I fall asleep.

there is still no cpma movement :'(

We still seem to be leaning more and more towards it is what I'm saying

no, why?

still no air control.

It doesn't need to. Personally I'd rather not have it so fast that noobs can't handle it, and that fights become too chaotic. Fights need to be measured and based on aim, but you should be able to navigate the map quickly if you want to.

At this point in Quake Live, I'd rather it not have CPM movement.

me too, but it is not leaning towards cpm movement at all right now?

very nice update, though chainjumping should work so that the height and speed you gain from it varies regarding how fast u press jump two times and how you move your mouse.

good job, anyone got any opinions on that "new" duel map?

[EDIT] new jump height is quite terrible tho, play one aerowalk and you will understand... it should be 20 or then they should remove teleport jumping...

it does, its just that the height you gain even with the best timed jump is very minimal compared to cpm (and possibly q2)

yeah, played action quake 2 before quake live and there boost was enermous if u did know how to use your mouse.

@ your edit:

jump height wasn't changed at all, if you are refering to the jump out of the tele thats higher, thats just the chainjump, you can still do it normally is as well if you dont jump before going through the teleporter.

Always thought q3wctf3 was the best CTF map Q3 had.

this. :D

this sounds awesome, cant wait to get home from work and try it =)

Haven't played the new update yet but I dislike the idea to make everything easier :x
You should be awarded to have a decent movement!

Liking or disliking ideas about a game is a lesser hobby than liking or disliking the actual game. Give it a chance.

perhaps that giving some new maps (or rework the old ones) could be a nice option then =)

GTV?

Didn't really read the comments above but as far as I checked:

- Terrible new maps... way to much hallways and other crap that add nothing to the game.

- Step height is making it so easy to perform these jumps now... DM13, T7 and even on Battleforged (jump from YA stairs to platform).

....Expected more :(

so now the most well known powerup in gaming history is tridamage

was so in q3 aswell

prooves weapon damage and armor isnt balanced

It doesnt need to be. Weapon unbalance is fine (look at QW...)

this seems nice..

tho the one tele exit jump is not failable anymore.. the cpm one works now

Attached Demo: 79235-hub-cpm-teleexit.dm_73 (49KB)

Anyone noticed the boost if you time correctly after a teleport exit, how it boosts you way up higher than before?

*edit*: not my video.

*inofficial part 2* http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1981302#pid1981302

nice !

I like it tbh

this game is getting more and more to my liking!

new stepheight and chainjumping are nice changes.

it won't make the game easier, pls get a brain.

the game is a lil faster and a bit more "responsive" now, which is obviously nice.

this with all the weapons balances changes, the new hitboxes and the slightly modified physics finally make "vq3" enjoyable to play. This is how q3 has to be in 2010, fuck conservative people, if you don't like these changes, you are stupid and don't understand a shit about how q3 has to be for serious business fatal1ty competition. You miss your 100dmg rail ? Ok, fine, i put my AWP in your ass, kankerson. You miss your old fat hitbox ? Ok, fine, go eat more mcdonalds. You miss your slow, unresponsive and floaty physics ? Go play some submarine simulator ffs, you ugly fuck. Rockets are too fast ? Learn how to move quicker than a submarine, skinny nerd fuck. I don't know, i just don't like you, keep playing your OSP shit for 4236363 more years or maybe try CS:S Promode (LOL), but pls leave us alone. We like games that requiere SKILL, not fucking so-called "tactical" all rail long range camp position abuse point & click instant death instagib fat nuclear rocket xerp'ed LG random SG vq3 crap. CPM FTW. QL Gameplay balance FTW. You are ugly i want you to suffer, die, die.

that's all i had to say, bye.

Man, ESR is not the same since you arrived here, stop posting BS, u think u r funny? GET LOST

Yet your playing only CA and your even crap at it.

it won't make the game easier, pls get a brain.

Of course it does. If you don't need to do special jumps to move around fast on a map, what else does this make the game, than easier?

If you haven't found vq3 enjoyable to play, than your just one of those noobs that id is trying to cater to with QL. OSP and CPMA are way better then what QL is up to, and they are like this for a long long time now. You shouldn't judge about things you haven't even the slightest idea about.

We like games that requiere SKILL

Haha... if you want skill then OSP and CPMA are the real deal, not this watered down, crippled, wannabe version that QL is.

We've been working our asses off the learn all the movement/ gameplay elements and now it's all handed to newbs like you. If you haven't got the guts to put at least some work into getting better at anything, than you ain't worth shit.

it does make it easier, but there's even more to learn now as the speed has increased, and it makes the game even more exciting, i would definitely say ql is better than better than it was before and it looks like it'll release CPM for it soon

Lol. You are the same VQ3 fanboy that posted in the other thread about the Anime gaming cup, and praised your idol Zero4.

VQ3 is irrelevant. It became irrelevant a long time ago. QL is becoming faster, more exciting, and more CPMish. I'm glad its going in this direction - people play Quake for the fast-paced deathmatch, not for playing a fantasy armor management league.

You can keep on posting, but Q3 has become irrelevant long ago. So in the end, you can either deal with these changes and adapt, or also become irrelevant.

A slight fastest VQ3 is nice, but cpmish? cmon thats really boring, bunnyhopping 90% of the match isnt fast, its just mindless. cpm players are like failed defraggers.

"Yet your playing only CA and your even crap at it."

Stop the CA hate you wannabe fatal1ty fuck. This is a gametype like another. It's just more newb-friendly, what's wrong with that ?
It's still quake, and if you want to be real good, you need practice, just like everything. It's just that there's no money involved in CA, so people are like "omfg CA = CS for quake, dumbed down version of TDM, all rail gametype blablabla". You don't like CA ? Fine. But pls stop talking shit about it all the time.
Btw i've never said that i'm the best CA player ever, just that i'm can be a really though opponent @ 1on1 CA (i'm one of the best 1on1 CA player, if not the best, but i'm just like noctis, fucking inconsistent).
I still have fun playing it, so what ? I play whatever i like, just stfu.

"Of course it does. If you don't need to do special jumps to move around fast on a map, what else does this make the game, than easier?"

You still need to do special jumps... Some of them are a lil easier but anyways they weren't that hard to perform even before the update, i mean, most of them. There's like 1 or 2 really hard jumps on some maps like furious heights etc that can be done more frenquently now, and it's definitely GOOD. You don't need to be w3sp anymore to make some really interesting and hard jumps, but you still need SKILL to do it. It's not like if they were adding bunny-hop or anything...
Also, read Ryfje's reply (comment #152).

"If you haven't found vq3 enjoyable to play, than your just one of those noobs that id is trying to cater to with QL."

I found vq3 VERY enjoyable to play back in the day (around 2004), but when you taste some CPM and even q4, you just realize that vq3 is far from being the "perfect" gameplay for competition. It was good when people didn't have as much aim as today, crappy connections, worst mouses/netcode, etc etc.. But we are in 2010 now, time for some changes/polishing. When John Carmack made Q3 he wasn't thinking like "okay, i want to make the perfect game for the IEM", you know, that's why the vq3 gameplay, although being extremely fun to play, wasn't the most balanced game ever, but people got used to it...

"OSP and CPMA are way better then what QL is up to, and they are like this for a long long time now. You shouldn't judge about things you haven't even the slightest idea about."

I know more about the quake series and all the mods than you'll ever do, so pls... Don't try to teach me anything...

"We've been working our asses off the learn all the movement/ gameplay elements and now it's all handed to newbs like you. If you haven't got the guts to put at least some work into getting better at anything, than you ain't worth shit. "

lol. I play since 2004 on & off, so obviously i was also "working my ass off" (LOL, ASIF, DO YOU NEED MONEY FOR IT ? LOL) to learn all the movement/gameplay elements... If you're able to play non stop during all these years but unable to re-adapt to something slightly altered, then i guess that there's something wrong with you...

RELEASE THE RAGE!!!

All of the most important jumps in the game are easier. How does that not make the game easier?

I totally acknowledge this!
One of the best things ever said on ESR!

Bah a map didnt make it :(

can anyone give me some cool examples where we can use chain jumping on the ql maps besides on stairs?

jump in tele and out of tele, apparently, didn't try yet

ok, teleporter didn't feel too different @ a quick check, but lol those stairs :D
edit: ok see the video some posts below by in77


you can even rocketjump over stairs, nice trajectory, but you still have to be careful not to jump into open lg fire
edit: @ aerowalk i.e

also: I kinda want to play a dm6 duel now...??!!

hektik from lg to ga u can double ( or triple?! ) jump on those weird ledges really fast

"realm of steel rats" should still have the ledges, ramps and stairs for cpm movement (unless i missed something).

some jumps on "ospdm6" should be a lot easier aswell.

Alot were removed... ospdm6 was actually made for cpm but it was too small so never really played

hm, shame :/

i kinda thought that ospdm6 looked a lot like it was originally planned for cpm, interesting to know it's true.

stairs to rail -> either jump to ya or jump to "above jumppad" &
stairs to ya -> jump to rail ...both should be easier.

have no had time to play yet. can some1 explain what chain jumping actually does/enables?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgA_Q0VlkiE

awesome find, ty

I bet it was very hard to find considering it's posted above :/

IT WAS


I thought that was that bug video on space CTF

tnx, even though cant acces yt now.

So no technical description available?

So its a q2 style double jump of some sorts, or do u gain speed after X number of uninterrupted jumps, or?

I suppose it is effect of changed step height, no?

Syncerror should give a more technical description / explanation of how the new physics systems work.

Thanks

- Changed FreezeTag such that Quad & Battle Suit power-ups do not persist across FT rounds.


best change ever.

I liked the ols version :(

Rewarded timing the powerup more imo

Now there's actually more depth into the game than it ever had.

this

oh boi, thats going to be a shitfest, but I'll tell you all:

start a game
/devmap lostworld
/pm<tab>
?!?!?!?
profit !

you don't need to use devmap tho ;D

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...#post48689

interesting, made a screen and added it to the main post

i get the commands without devmap too, i guess it just works offline

sorry about the quality, but u get what i wanted to show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgCsOrAot6E

and the bug preventing players from joining a server is not fixed <-- fixed it for you.

yeah just had the same problem again, i thpught thats what the fix from the changelog was about :/

jeez seems too fast now :(

maybe you should try cs

good one :-)

I swear I read militia

:D

Feels more like OSP cos now you can dodge rocket splash again.

- Changed Stepheight from 18 to 22.

hate it!
better increase jump speed a little (from 270 to 275), it will feel like OSP and overall better without unnecessary jittering

EDIT

failed .

Jump velocity is 275

oh, then make it 291 and g_gravity 900, walkaccel 11, airaccel 1.1, walkfriction 6.5 and it will be much better =)

Was this possible before?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZqrM2yTQ0s rj from bottom shards to ra on ztn

o0

wasnt possible before afaik, thats crazy

edit: cant do it :(

may be on devmap.

wow that's nuts. good find sir

wasn't able to do it either on a quick try, I used following rj-script:


set rj "+moveup;+attack;wait;wait;-moveup;wait;-attack;-attack;-attack"

now we got script-kids complaining about what they cannot do...

seriously how about trying to learn how to RJ by yourself? :P

i can accept being called script kiddie, ok, but I hope you aren't too serious about that.

I'm using it as it lets me concentrate on more important stuff. Manual rj won't work on a "wait,wait" basis...

tl;dr: go play CA and brag about your perfectly timed rj's!!
:P

If you use RJ scripts ingame while competing I'll call you whatever I like. I know that many people did use them in the past and probably still do. That does not change the fact however, that RJ should require your own input and concentration. Can't RJ and do the other stuff at the same time?

Dunno what you mean by manual RJ though. I do my RJ manually. No wait wait command involved at all. Just me looking down, firing, jumping...you know doing it by myself. Ofc I fail sometimes. Thats why Quake isn't easy.

Quake is not a "who has the best script for task A" competition.

Oh and I don't play CA sry :]

ok, I see the possibility to bind "rj" borderline too (it only does jump+fire, just to make clear I have to aim myself)

but as long as I can use weapon specific binds, colors, clantags (not anymore), graphic settings, mouse settings, I USE them

do you call noctis and fox script kiddies too? It's just about finding the best/most comfortable spot out of your possibilities, ain't it?

Everything that automates the game to some extent (and RJ script certainly do), are bad in my eyes. I don't expect you to agree but I'd have them banned if that was even possible.

read my first line again

script kiddie spotted

;D

rofl, insane , wtf

NOPE, but that is cool. Changes up ZTN for sure

not really, it is too hard to constantly pull it off :p

stuff like this was possible before the update aswell but noone did it cause it is too hard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqCntXnblEk

That rj was possible before the changes, now it is even easier :3

havent tried a rj script but i somehow cant do it :(

I've it a couple of times, hard to do consistantly tho

n1ce jump, i need to practice this...

typical cooller all-in move during opponent's comeback

WTF QUAD and noob movement !?!?

seriously id, this better be a joke

Movement makes the game way more exciting imo, and the changes are great except for the quad damage change, that's kinda stupid imo

It's stupid unless BS takes 75% instead of 66.6%

seriously, why the fuck nerf both bs and quad? especially quad nerf now is fcking dumb

quad was obviously overpowered stop crying, start trying.

How much do they pay to you, Swelt?

cpm dev are available to id for free

Swelt is a mapmaker.

and qrealka is not cpm dev, yes

What are you talking about? Where's the connection between Swelt and qrealka?

both are not cpm dev
and if you didnt understand I know who's swelt

Then what's the connection between devs and Swelt?

both sold soul to id?

What the hell are you talking about?

it's sad you didnt translate your opus about ql (http://promode.ru/?q=node/1258) in english
it could help them to make right decision

stop trolling.

Theese changes are fucking awesome, stairs are starting to look good.
Remove the nodam splashbug and they are perfect.

nodam splashbug?

like when you shot a rocket at a staircase the guy is standing on, and he takes zero damage.

oh, there's no splash it needs to be direct??

that's very very difficult to fix as you tinker with damage-through-edges (if you know what i mean) etc. aswell.

The speed and extra height is cool we never really needed it.

Will make the battles more awesome now though :D

Pro movement is pro.

am i missing something? what change makes dodging rocket splash easier?

you can chain/double jump off of the splash damage of the rockets now :)

holy moly :O

oO??

interesting..

wtf u are talking? :DDD

now we just need defrag maps!!! come on come on come on

im not premium/pro user, can i get this chain jumping gtfo?

ofc free users can

Can somebody explain the chain jumping thing cause i don geddit. Its like you just jump leaving +forward pressed and if you time the jumps correctly it accelerates? Kinda strafejumping but without the strafe¿ Thanks

Afaik, after the first jump, if there is a ledge you can jump a second time and get boosted a bit. With stairs, you can do it multiple times. Depending on how much boost they set, this may give a noticeable speedup.

usually if you jump you're in air for a second or more

chain jumping allows for acceleration after fast consecutive jumps

but on stairs you touch the ground more often and sooner, thats where the acceleration comes from @ stairs

I believe you gain the boost for a next jump when the duration of your jump is less than the full jump duration. Pretty much the same as in cq3.

I think they called it chain-jumping, because it affects the whole speed vector, not just its vertical component like in double-jumps.

is it possible to make promode like physics using pmove vars ? maybe someone should try :>

Hmm... I think id have already sorted out CPM, ready to release (maybe) but there just taking there time to draw in subscribers to premium more and more.

ql haters gonna say: i strg+f+gtv'ed the changelog. 0 results. fuck off.

It's actually funny how QL updates used to get like 30-40-50 +'s on main page and now they get only 8 or something :>

I remember updates that got 30-40-50 tons of shit rage thrown at them as well.

That's easy. Name one that did NOT and you're the man.

So, double jumping or some variant of it was added and re-branded as "chain-jumping", and everyone is drooling and loving it.

Interesting.

Hehe, after testing it yesterday I thought the exact same thing :D

Needs more useful chat tokens tbh..

tbh I can´t cope with the new movement atm... it´s just. waaaah. The splash height, if you get hit by a rocket is way higher aswell, you fly around without any control, getting hit by another rocket. Moving around corners, too fast, no aircontrol, losing trajection, bumping to the walls... all over the place... I think it´ll take some time until I get used to the new movement which is more like a drunken whale tipping it´s way through the supermarket on the way to get some cheese. w t f.

What the hell you're talking about? Those things aren't even affected by new changes, they are as they were before.

dont like new physics, why was it even changed in the first place ? If ql go down the cpma route, that would be the worst thing ever. quad should be returned as well. and chat tokens should be for standard users as well, wtf

3x Quad damage is a good thing in my book, mainly because people might use weapons other than the SG now while on a quad-run

Physics idk yet. Feels more direct so I like it, but then - a movement moron like me should not be able to plasma climb all the time, but I'm able to do that now.

Chat tokens for standard users? Yeah, obviously. But hey its id.

Ya, I got quad and turned and shotgunned a guy far away and then i assumed he died and turned away from him, but shit he DIDNT DIE! fuck !!!!!!

I guess we will see the return of Quad rail runs. My fav kind, I still remember forze mikes hitting like 11 rails in a row with quad to rape a team way back in q3.

Dammit, usually ESR whine at least had valid reasons behind it, but now people whine just because they want to whine...
Quad damage was 3x for 10 years in Q3 and it was Q3 that produced golden age of TDM. What's wrong with it? No reasons given by whiners, they want just whine about something.
Comments about the "new" physics are most ridiculous. Most of them are about things that aren't affected or changed at all. Stop seeing imaginary stuff!

CHANGE ARE BAD U KNOW !

And even where there is no changes (i.e. most of movement physics), people try to imagine that there are, just so they can whine about something.

Dammit, usually ESR whine at least had valid reasons behind it

No.

At least regarding the weapons that were changed from q3 to qlive, damage is slightly increased with qlive's 4x vs q3's 3x quad. With 3x quad in qlive now, damage is quite less in some cases compared to q3.

Problem is there's hundreds of bugs to be fixed and many features that could be added. But hey we gotta rebalance these powerups yo! Because other than the people crying about others using quad in the first place, no one is complaining about the BS/QUAD balance.

Nah, the real problem is that most people don't want to realize that :
1. the average internet connection in 2010 is way better than in 2002
2. everyone and their mom have a better aim, even after the hitbox update.

more damage vs more shots connecting aka more damage.

Keep in mind that weapons were a lot stronger for 10 years.

Qlive is getting less bad ?! I wast expecting that.

ID is still thinking to rebalance movement... ID should think about adding crouchslides or CPMA aircontrol because this will increase the speed significantly. <3 high ups

crouchslides may change the way maps are played completely
and loads of maps probably need to be modified a lot

but I do like crouchslides ;)

ID did a lot of (bad) things which change the gameplay completely

Could someone give a newb's guide to what the existence of the pmove stuff means?

doesnt mean anything tbh :p

just try change value by value in practice mode, I didn't play cpm either

pmove_ first came to light when id introduced fps independent physics at some point in q3 (and it was horribly broken at that time). afaik the new pmove_ variables control exactly that: player movement physics.

there's nothing too special about those, some people got excited at the possibility of changing the gameplay while forgetting that up until now id does not support community control over anything. let's not even start with mods etc. :)

They should add some quake4 maps to qlive.

Come on! fuck with the stability of the quake community!

Well, the cpm monsoon worked quite nicely in vq3 and offline ql....I'd like to see placebo effect too but they'd probably slap cYb3rg0th or bathroom textures on it so meeeh.

galang would be nice also ;<

Phrantic was enough.

:O

hahaha you can double jump off ledges before you even land on them

Thought it was kinda weird at first, but I actually like it now. Will be able to catch at least some of the jumppad campers off-guard now. :D

Interesting, i kinda like that, but i have a feeling they will fix that "feature" :)

If it stays then camping with LG at the top of the jump pad will be less effective.. we're back to spaming rockets at the top edge of the jump pad when they come up.


EDIT: tried it a bit. You don't have to time it or anything, you can basically just hold jump button and wait until you reach the edge.
Also works for rocket jumps that would have gone a bit too high.

This is bad for the game and needs to get fixed.

I like it.

lol update

this game gets worse everytime sync and company touches it.

How did you work that out, in 2008 the game was a pile of shit.. Not to mention that not all spectators want to watch a slow-paced brain game, and they actually some excitement, so the physics changes and i'm sure future changes are going to make the game more fast paced and exciting which is better imo.

yes cause adding double jumps to vq3 makes it more fast and exciting.

and recycling maps from q3 is awesomely exciting too. BOY HOWDY I WISH I COULD PLAY THAT MAP FROM Q3 IN QL.

you're obviously an idiot fanboy who was just terrible at q3. :|

I didn't play q3 at all, so I don't mind q3 maps, I never actually said the addition of q3 maps was good, I'm actually quite against it, I would prefer newly made decent maps. I'm not a fanboy either, I actually don't like how fast id software are at making these updates, but I'd rather support a game I play than rage about it.

Quake Live - New Physics?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af1_hqjIMs0

Doesn't prove anything imo, weird stuff like was already constantly happening to me before.
Most extreme thing I can remember was a rocket in mh corridor on bloodrun that landed in front of me/on my side while I was +backing towards lg and it popped me the other way around. oh hai mega oh bye mega.

jumpad bullshit is lame, although on dm6 you can +back alot faster now that you
dont get railed up the ass when go for rl and the guy is at the bottom by mega.

I just hope this is last of the physics changes they are gonna made (and Im not sure this was needed in the first place). Everything more would be disaster.

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ye, I bet u proposed changes in focus and they listened. They should listen all paying customers not only few who got chance to influence the game to their liking.

I think more people want CPM, alot of the standard people too

those ppl should go and play fucking CPMA and leave ql alone. I play ql only cause it reminds me of vq3.

Well.. I'm sure they would if there was a large community base, I think id should release CPM as a seperate gametype to bring in more paying customers but still please vq3 players..but either way I think i'd enjoy CPM more and it would be alot more spectator friendly for sure.

CPM besides vq3 added as gameplay maybe, but that would separate community once again I'm afraid. And completely going down CPMA route would be the biggest fail in the history of quake. xD

CPMA is there and a lot better than ql will ever be, so all cpm players just need to install it again and start playing.

If ql becomes cpma, who says player base won't die again like with (better) original cpma ?

How did it die out? I never played CPM so idk, was it because of ql, if that's the case then I don't see your point, ql will be CPM, so therefore ql will survive?

I dont know how/if it died out, I just dont wanna ql to become cpma. simple as that.

So you enjoy playing a slow-paced brain intensive game more in comparison to fast-paced, more movement, more exciting games?

man stop replying to me when u got no point in the first place. I said I dont want more physics changes and as paying customer I think Im entitled to have a vote.

And I played cpma, probably more then you , so dont give me that noob insight into either of games.

/off

I do have a point, id will listen to more paying customers than just the anomoly (you, who just wants vq3) And i like the new physics change too

yes, cause clearly he's the only person in ql who wants vq3.

only me? thats a good one. Guess u didnt read enough posts either here or on ql forums.

Stop arguing about shit just for the sake of it. U got no point.

it's funny how you anti-vq3 idiots all say it's slow paced and too easy when you clearly can't move in vq3 to begin with. :|

I can move, I'm just saying CPM is more exciting, I don't hate vq3 at all, i would like both tbh.

first u say u didnt play CPM, now u r saying cpm is more exciting :)

You are a funny guy xD

I have played q3, just not much of it, i played ql then checked out q3 not long ago and CPM, so I have played it, from watching like Vo0 does CPM, it looks more exciting, thats my opinion though, I know alot of people want it..

If you haven't played Q3 or even CPM, then STFU please.

CPM was so boring to play. It was all spam and rush, hardly any brain needed, only prediction of the enemy.

The incorporation of chain jumps resembles tiny q2 doublejumps and the jump height is like OSP with 125 FPS. Telejumps are like CPM.

Quakelive has taken these certain features that people enjoyed and implemented them into VQ3, which I really like.

I think id should stop right now. The game is more fluid, but not too overboard like CPM with air strafe and bullshit.

You can now +forward bitches, up stairs around corners (clipping) whatever, if a nigga is Rapha he'll need to be prepared for zerg rushing cypher in his ass.

I think it's a good thing.

Also, the jump pad new jump is useful. You can catch people unaware when they are waiting, or just do it regular to attack from the top (once everyone starts using the low jump - then using normal jump on bounce pad will catch ppl offguard too)

GOOD CHANGE IMO

This.

jump pad new jump?

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1980087#pid1980087

"CPM was so boring to play. It was all spam and rush, hardly any brain needed, only prediction of the enemy. "

i can tell you must have been awesome at it

i was actually, i used to train with apheleon in early cpma 1.2

i'll take your word for it

You should go and play fucking vq3 and leave ql alone. I don't play ql only cause it reminds me of vq3.

I dont give a fuck why u play ql.

They play another basketball in Australia... u know...

you can ignore noctis.

he's all over sync's nuts on irc everyday.

those pmove commands mean nothing btw.

basically, id cvar spammed the fuck out of ql and made * a cvar instead of a hardcoded value.

Hi, guys. How is Quake Live working out for you?

quake live is pretty awesome, 100-1000 times bigger playerbase than cpma and q4 combined,
lots of online tournaments
some big offline events
what can I wish for else?

more NA tournaments

QuakeLive Chain-/Double-Jumping (new vid, more alternatives!)



*note*: Again not my vid.
*note for German residents*: http://www.fragster.de/kurzmeldung/18647/chai.../comments/

ESR forum thread (by Nukm): http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1981307
See also inofficial part 1: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1979119#pid1979119

*update* 3/11/2010 - some new jumps

Hey,

Added some new jumps in the OP. Just a small pack of demos this time rather than a video. Check them out :P

Crucci

Download doublejumpz2.zip

Contents

almostlost-pg_to_ya.dm_73
asylum-notuseful.dm_73 // but it's fun
asylum-useful.dm_73 // to confuse the opponent in CA :)
furious-gl_to_rl.dm_73 // fastest way from GL to upper RL
intervention-jumps_from_rail.dm_73 // the last two jumps in this demo are just easier now
quarantine-ca_spawn.dm_73 // useful for quick regroup at nest in CA
quarantine-triplestairjump.dm_73
solid-cg_to_mega.dm_73 // the new map Solid seems to be designed around a central mega that
can be approached from all directions with chainjumps for a quick snatch
solid-rl_to_mega.dm_73
solid-useless_to_sg.dm_73
solid-ya_to_mega1.dm_73
solid-ya_to_mega2.dm_73

Source: http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php...jumping%29

if this is chain jumping then Im not doing it properly :/