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News

IEM5 European Championship Finals - Day3 (1184 comments)

( Major News: QL SC2)

Posted by Slasher @ 04:49 CST, 22 January 2011 - iMsg

Event: IEM5

Scheduled: 04:00 CST, 23 January 2011 to 13:00 CST, 23 January 2011
Schedule: Passed

The European Championship Finals of the Intel Extreme Masters Season 5 group stage is now over and continues with the bracket playoffs.

All Group Stage VOD's are now uploaded. Mid-event/group stage video interviews with Cypher 1, Cypher 2, strenx 1, strenx 2, k1llsen, fazz, Spart1e, Madix have been added.

ESL TV is proposing a premium stream special offer for 3.99€.

Joe,

calipt (QL) and

RotterdaM (SC2) will be the commentators on the main ESL TV stream. There will also be a second stream covering SC2, as well Russian and Polish streams.

Also, Level Up TV with nVc, Slasher, Stermy, Fishstix, ischju and friends will cover most of the Quakelive matches! Join

#lvl^ for the chat / flood during the matches. You can find more details about all the streams available on the schedule page.

Update: Bronze final game will be played at 06:00 CST instead of originally announced 10:45 CST.

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Groups: QuakeLive, StarCraft II / Brackets: QuakeLive, StarCraft II
Links: European Championship Finals, Schedule -

Coverage: Level Up TV, SK, Fnatic, TEK9, TL, ESFI, Razer,

FFF,

Quakelive.sk
Galleries: ESL, Fnatic, Reason, Fragster, vh

Edited by Demiurge at 10:06 CST, 23 January 2011 - 273564 Hits

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<< Comment #1 @ 04:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Slasher

Sorry didn't get this up earlier with ESR bets, been a tiring past few days and had to head out last night. Figured we should have a new post for the bracket stage. I will add in specific group stage results and SC2 stuff shortly, but wanted to get this up before games started.

<< Comment #4 @ 05:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #1

its fine, just got up myself and was hoping someone had already done a new post \o/

<< Comment #14 @ 05:28 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

PerpetualWar - Reply to #4

I was just making this one but Slasher beat me to it. Oh well...xD

<< Comment #2 @ 04:57 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Avek
Cooller

<< Comment #3 @ 05:01 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

pTOLEmy

Avek easy

Cooller? I dunno, his form so unpredictable. Just like killsens aim.

<< Comment #16 @ 05:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (83.7.112.169)

1. Cypher
2. Strenx
3. Av3k

or

1. Strenx
2. Av3k
3. Cypher

<< Comment #5 @ 05:13 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:34 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #6 @ 05:16 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #5

why do you repost this?

<< Comment #8 @ 05:20 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob - Reply to #6

.

Edited by Bob at 14:34 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #11 @ 05:26 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

genesis - Reply to #6

Because of easy pluses.

<< Comment #20 @ 05:40 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob - Reply to #11

.

Edited by Bob at 14:34 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #22 @ 05:42 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Kristus - Reply to #20

Fission Mucking Accomplished.

<< Comment #285 @ 19:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

cha0z_ - Reply to #20

Good you don't want any pluses, because you will not get.

<< Comment #288 @ 20:04 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob - Reply to #285

.

Edited by Bob at 14:34 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #306 @ 02:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rikk - Reply to #5

wtf

<< Comment #7 @ 05:16 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:34 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #10 @ 05:20 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #7

av3k > fazz
k1llsen < cooller

cypher > av3k
strenx > cooller

cypher > strenx

<< Comment #12 @ 05:26 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

pontape - Reply to #10

yes

<< Comment #54 @ 06:48 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #10

av3k > fazz
k1llsen < cooller

cypher < av3k
strenx > cooller

av3k < strenx

Edited by rareh at 06:48 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #214 @ 11:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

IrrSolicitude - Reply to #54

cooller>strenx
cooller>cypher
cooller>cooller

<< Comment #218 @ 12:03 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

baron Railgun ' - Reply to #7

demos or dirdn happen

<< Comment #302 @ 01:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lejionator - Reply to #7

Rapha >>>>> Cypher, Cooller, Avek, etc...

<< Comment #303 @ 01:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #302

isn't rapha that 5-6th place finisher at quakecon?

<< Comment #308 @ 02:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #303

What place did cypher get at ESWC 2010 ?

<< Comment #309 @ 02:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #308

so rapha USED to ">>>>" cypher?

thanks for making my point bra'

<< Comment #310 @ 03:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #309

ah ok so quakecon was today?
Btw what place did cypher get at beat it and who beat him in final?
Just curious

Edited by rareh at 03:01 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #312 @ 03:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #310

and then, AFTER that, rapha came 5-8th and cypher won?

wow you are bad at this

<< Comment #315 @ 03:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #312

Did cypher win to rapha at kaspersky?
no
at quakecon?
no
at beat it ?
yes but it was a tactic lose when u can so opponent underestimate u so u can rape him in final.
Then rapha won easy on final ahaha they even gave 1 map advantage to cypher and he still lost ahahahal.
wow u are really bad at this :(((
He got knocked out cause at kaspersky cause WMO+win7= problems he kept rebooting his pc before strenx game, cause of the problems(if u heard what zsx said while commentating before game).
Even cooller changed to abyssuss cause of that.
So let me correct u

mouse problems >>>>> rapha

rapha >>>>> cypher

<< Comment #316 @ 03:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #315

tldr

but

"mouse problems >>>>> rapha" made me smile

<< Comment #331 @ 04:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #316

Exactly lets just wait for IEM world final :P Then we see who is right.
Its in February right?

<< Comment #390 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #331

not sure, gonna be awesome though!

<< Comment #797 @ 08:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ins - Reply to #331

march

<< Comment #334 @ 04:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Nzr0 ' - Reply to #315

then again

k1llsen>>>>>>>>rapha

<< Comment #546 @ 07:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

T1E - Reply to #334

rapha = antibody

he needs the actual experience vs. a player then he won't lose again

<< Comment #565 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

unihumi - Reply to #546

It's not really "same conditions", since the lags comes in randomly and gives advantage (even tho randomly) to one of the players.

Edited by unihumi at 07:19 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #9 @ 05:20 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

duumed

Anyone else having problems with own3d? I can't watch anything, yesterday it worked fine but at some point it just stopped working

<< Comment #13 @ 05:28 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

gienon

<@Lo3`Slasher> i am currently the best playing quake caster right now not counting nvc
(...)
<@Lo3`Slasher> none of you shit talkers could beat me 1v1

Priceless.

<< Comment #15 @ 05:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

twister - Reply to #13

calipt would beat him blindfolded :D

<< Comment #27 @ 05:47 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #15

so would disrepute, vor, ischju, ...

I don't think Slasher is even _aware_ of the fact that these three are playing competitive quake.

Edited by scowl at 05:52 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #166 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

bbbrrr - Reply to #27

i have never seen slasher playing, but i think
slasher was not talking seriously
it's called irony....

<< Comment #174 @ 09:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

r1ddler - Reply to #166

slash, lost it yesterday, completely

<< Comment #17 @ 05:34 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Sub_

can someone quickly confirm whether 13:45 CET is the correct time for cooller - k1llsen? schedule says 13:20, might have to cancel an appointment.

<< Comment #18 @ 05:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Ryan2015

cant get any stream to load :(

<< Comment #19 @ 05:38 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

knobless

lvlup, please stop that bullshit music you are playing. its bad for your health. thanks.

<< Comment #21 @ 05:42 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Ryan2015 - Reply to #19

knobless, please stop that bullshit you are saying. its bad for your health. thanks.

<< Comment #24 @ 05:43 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #19

Edited by funnyb at 05:43 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #31 @ 05:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

becks - Reply to #24

simultaneous mute high five!

<< Comment #33 @ 05:55 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #31

that was my first placeimg ever, high to the five!

<< Comment #36 @ 06:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

knobless - Reply to #33

don't want to interrupt your intimate moment guys, but.. ahhh fuck it.

<< Comment #38 @ 06:12 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

becks - Reply to #36

always room for one more!

<< Comment #48 @ 06:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

T1E - Reply to #24

ever watched the German bloodwarriors stream?
that's mute style music

<< Comment #35 @ 06:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Trance - Reply to #19

my stream, my music. don't like it, mute it. don't mute it, don't whine.

logic. easy isnt't it?

:)

<< Comment #37 @ 06:03 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

knobless - Reply to #35

that was more of a joke. of course I can mute it. :) no whine there

<< Comment #41 @ 06:19 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Six16 - Reply to #35

One of the songs had the lyrics "erection" in it, pretty awkward moment for a second, as my mum was in the room at the time. :<

<< Comment #158 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

kluczmen - Reply to #41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZpCB6tlZy4
pretty sure it cant beat this one ! :D

<< Comment #43 @ 06:25 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_ - Reply to #35

electronic music ftw bro! o/

<< Comment #49 @ 06:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob - Reply to #35

.

Edited by Bob at 14:35 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #42 @ 06:19 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

kevz - Reply to #19

its always muted for me, Slasher is commentating.

<< Comment #23 @ 05:43 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

chubz

This round predictions:

av3k > fazz

altho i'd like it the other way around.

cooller > killsen

<< Comment #25 @ 05:43 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Kristus

1. Fazz
2. Strenx
3. Cypher

... a man can dream, can he not?

<< Comment #28 @ 05:48 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

InDepther - Reply to #25

I like this, but I can settle for just fazz beating av3k

<< Comment #26 @ 05:46 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Gladius

12:25CET

well???????

<< Comment #29 @ 05:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

All Group Stage VOD's are now uploaded

yeah, except the ESL-TV ones :D

great work as always, levelup. :)

<< Comment #30 @ 05:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

AHAHAHAHA fazz' midair grenade on avek during warmup :DDD

<< Comment #32 @ 05:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:35 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #34 @ 05:56 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

xoji

Level up down?

<< Comment #39 @ 06:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

_Sham_

owned up!

<< Comment #40 @ 06:18 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

slasher you know i have nothing against you.. but every time you say something your mic glitches like shit

<< Comment #53 @ 06:45 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Inane - Reply to #40

i think his voice is supposed to sound like that

<< Comment #44 @ 06:25 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

dlx

1. Slasher
2. Cypher
3. Strenx
4. Avek

<< Comment #45 @ 06:26 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

sigh. I like fazz so much but he doesn't progress. Yes he made it to quarters but cmon

<< Comment #46 @ 06:28 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

I laughed my ass off when fazz' failed RJ earned him his third frag because avek expected him to be above. :D

<< Comment #67 @ 07:11 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

fazz ' - Reply to #46

Failed?

<< Comment #194 @ 10:18 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

InDepther - Reply to #67

lol

<< Comment #215 @ 11:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

IrrSolicitude - Reply to #67

LOLz

<< Comment #165 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

bbbrrr - Reply to #46

sure that it wans't a faked rj to confuse avek?

<< Comment #184 @ 09:46 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #165

you didnt see the match, did you?

<< Comment #884 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

bbbrrr - Reply to #184

sure i did. it looked like he faked the rocket jump. maybe im wrong. it's not that important...

<< Comment #903 @ 09:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #884

he missed the fucking edge of the YA platform by 1 inch. How is this supposed to be a fake RJ?

<< Comment #47 @ 06:28 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

av3k vs chypa OMFG I'M SPRAYING CUM EVERYWHERE!!!

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

GO COOLLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

<< Comment #50 @ 06:37 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

SPARTIE; "I'M ALREADY CELEBRATING"

<< Comment #51 @ 06:45 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

dance dance like it's the last last day of your life

<< Comment #52 @ 06:45 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

http://www.own3d.tv/live/3633
т
cooller killsen soon there

<< Comment #55 @ 06:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Navi interview ?

<< Comment #56 @ 06:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

It's quake time, not damn cs.

<< Comment #57 @ 06:57 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

filany some more cool stories from calipt!

<< Comment #58 @ 07:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

daka

/cg_drawgun 2 ftw

<< Comment #74 @ 07:25 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

wrong person - Reply to #58

drawgun 1 better :>

<< Comment #76 @ 07:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

daka - Reply to #74

whatever just not 0 :)

<< Comment #59 @ 07:04 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

gk_nz

About time Quake back on! :)

<< Comment #60 @ 07:05 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

tourist

did they turn on the shit quality for the match?

<< Comment #61 @ 07:07 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

COOLLER \o/ \o/ \o/

Edited by Kerchu at 07:08 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #62 @ 07:08 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

gk_nz

Wow... nice rails from Cooller

<< Comment #63 @ 07:09 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

jamalz

COOLLER GREATEST PLAYER EVER
(after that t4 vs k1llsen ROFL)

<< Comment #68 @ 07:13 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN - Reply to #63

Sales of abyssus mice just tripled

<< Comment #64 @ 07:10 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN

IT'S EVERYWHERE

IT'S IN MY RACCOON WOUNDS

<< Comment #65 @ 07:10 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

gienon

The world's greatest...regardless if he loses every subsequent map ;D

Edited by gienek_ at 07:11 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #66 @ 07:10 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

twister

dat rockets

<< Comment #69 @ 07:13 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Mitritch

Amazing T4 from cooller. :)

<< Comment #70 @ 07:20 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

wtf is cooller doing with item using???man it's annoying seeing no item to use on screen and hearing mouswheel all the time..

<< Comment #71 @ 07:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

therm - Reply to #70

im doing the same since allways instead of spamming stupid smileys when nervous

<< Comment #79 @ 07:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

daka - Reply to #70

to me it's more annoying seeing k1llsen waiting with rail

<< Comment #72 @ 07:22 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

hax rail from k1llsen

<< Comment #73 @ 07:23 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

becks - Reply to #72

yeh, he didn't even use the humanized version.

<< Comment #75 @ 07:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Stream died, great

<< Comment #77 @ 07:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

gero

fu esl

<< Comment #78 @ 07:30 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Mitritch

Obvious WH from killsen :)))

<< Comment #80 @ 07:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

knobless

luck? :DDD

<< Comment #81 @ 07:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

no luck , all calculated skill

<< Comment #82 @ 07:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<< Comment #83 @ 07:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

rareh

1hp ahahahaha omg cooller all times lucky :p

<< Comment #84 @ 07:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

kK_Storm

1 HP LOL DAS DAS

<< Comment #89 @ 07:40 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

tifu - Reply to #84

cooller's face: "not a single fuck was given"

<< Comment #85 @ 07:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

ffx

Cooller doesn't hit shit so go for the sg -___-

<< Comment #86 @ 07:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

www.bufferingforeveryoneorjustme.com

<< Comment #87 @ 07:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

JkoozeR

maybe he got the luck 2 win something^^ i hope so:D

<< Comment #88 @ 07:37 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

cYmoZz

lol great match so far, im hoping it will be 5 maps

<< Comment #90 @ 07:42 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

supra`

this T7 match shows you how much k1llsen relies on nothing but aim half the time

<< Comment #91 @ 07:46 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

so sad how a stupid guy like this can be a topplayer with just rail

<< Comment #97 @ 07:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #91

if you think that was just rail then you are the stupid guy
(and i was rooting for cooller)

Edited by Nukm at 07:52 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #196 @ 10:22 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

tbone - Reply to #97

Although he does make me think that I should change my game to be really, really rail heavy.

<< Comment #197 @ 10:24 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #196

as if it isnt aim based enough :p

<< Comment #808 @ 08:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ins - Reply to #91

he's pro in dm13 as well

<< Comment #92 @ 07:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

SenT!neL

awesome game :D

<< Comment #93 @ 07:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

lewl

COOLLER OMG JIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

<< Comment #94 @ 07:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm

how awesome was that t7 match between k1llsen and cooller :o

<< Comment #95 @ 07:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

knobless

FU Railbot!

<< Comment #164 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (87.1.176.223)

bha, lucky cooller...

<< Comment #96 @ 07:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

nice t7, nice rail at the end.

<< Comment #98 @ 07:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

twister

wow what a thriller.
killsen totally stepped up his game compared to the groupstage.

<< Comment #137 @ 08:04 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

vxd - Reply to #98

Stepped up his game in what? He always plays the same shit with rg and I dont see any difference comparing to the group stage.

<< Comment #139 @ 08:11 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

twister - Reply to #137

groupstage: zero timing, giving away items for free
playoffs: okish timing, sets good traps, good control

what's the hate for the railgun anyway? could say the same about cooller: omg rockets only herp derp

<< Comment #226 @ 13:37 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

zealot - Reply to #137

raged like a pole playing 1.31

<< Comment #237 @ 14:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

s3cco - Reply to #226

lol

/spunky

<< Comment #1164 @ 16:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

vxd - Reply to #226

germans everywhere /o\

<< Comment #99 @ 07:51 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ZOMG COOLLER RAIL!

<< Comment #100 @ 07:51 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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rareh

I AM SPRAYING EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

<< Comment #101 @ 07:51 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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timmah

awesome to watch these two playstyles clash

<< Comment #102 @ 07:51 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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daka

cooller proved it once again, u don't need aim (rail) to win a match, gg

<< Comment #106 @ 07:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #102

did you miss the last seconds of t7?

<< Comment #111 @ 07:55 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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daka - Reply to #106

that is just one for cooller, every time k1llsen was on pov he had rail

<< Comment #121 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #111

A rail shot won the game and not an easy one either.

<< Comment #141 @ 08:12 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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daka - Reply to #121

i know, i just like smart play over rail-only playstyle ;) nhf

<< Comment #124 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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gienon - Reply to #106

Judging by some recent comments - butthurt much? :)

<< Comment #144 @ 08:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #124

nah, I'm fine.

cooller won :)

<< Comment #103 @ 07:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kK_Storm

RA1LSEN! :( :( :(

<< Comment #104 @ 07:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm

no more matches today :( wanna see mooar of this

<< Comment #105 @ 07:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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therm

now we know cooller cant count

itms just spawn when he wants

<< Comment #112 @ 07:55 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Derb_ - Reply to #105

loloooooooooool

<< Comment #113 @ 07:56 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #105

he has just beaten k1llsen so many times he can't even count it anymore.
the second line might be true though

Edited by brgn at 14:49 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #162 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (89.78.163.182)

what happened in the overtime? i missed it

<< Comment #107 @ 07:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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scowl

only two matches today?

it's a tournament with 12 players and you don't find the time for a DE bracket on FOUR DAYS?

<< Comment #205 @ 11:10 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #107

when was the last big esl-tourney, where they used DE for quake?

right, never since carmac joined them.

Edited by n1ghty at 11:10 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #108 @ 07:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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burgonya

those who arent spraying cum everywhere now are not humans.

<< Comment #109 @ 07:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #108

i sprayed cum out of my ass i dont even...

<< Comment #119 @ 07:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Mitritch - Reply to #109

...homo?

<< Comment #123 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #119

no homo, i just had my dick in my ass (im black remember)

<< Comment #110 @ 07:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

when he grabbed pen i thought he gona stab Joe :D

<< Comment #115 @ 07:57 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #110

:D

almost spat out my coffee when i read your comment

Edited by Nukm at 08:00 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #117 @ 07:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #110

I saw joe flinch rofl

<< Comment #114 @ 07:57 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm

great interview aswell

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2019821#pid2019821 !

Edited by Nukm at 07:58 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #120 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Derb_ - Reply to #114

AHAHAH

<< Comment #161 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Zyte

"get my feeling mouse." Gotta love him.

<< Comment #116 @ 07:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Derb_

ahhahaha COOLLER IS THE DEFINITION OF COOL!

<< Comment #118 @ 07:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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burgonya

cooller and joe, bros forever

<< Comment #122 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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lol at cooller..:D "tnx for questions man!" russian mob POWAAAAH!!!!.xdxd

<< Comment #130 @ 08:01 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #122

lol yeah

looks like when interviewing cooller, one needs to understand that it's cooller who ends the interview. he was already done earlier when he said "thanks for cheering", but thankfully decided to answer a couple of more questions ...

<< Comment #287 @ 19:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Kiddie - Reply to #130

Cooller: "Interview over."

<< Comment #125 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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xoji

Cooller has a beautiful tan at this event.

<< Comment #126 @ 07:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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LukKe

coollers interviews are alltimes awesome

<< Comment #127 @ 08:00 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Yavich

COOLLER
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<< Comment #160 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (173.176.154.182)

Hahah Cooller is such a boss, he decides when the interview is over.

<< Comment #128 @ 08:00 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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dem0n

great i arrived just in time to see the ql show end for today.

Fck me

<< Comment #133 @ 08:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #128

Same.. maybe we can fck each others?

<< Comment #159 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (62.163.135.17)

nice cooller! if he can keep up his spirit, when hes in a bad position i see him taking this match versus strenx. So i hope he doesnt go emo after a couple of frags. It will be the ultimate matchup imo.

hf & gl

<< Comment #129 @ 08:01 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Carillo

God Damn, are the QL matches over for today? How could I forget the tournament is running! :(

<< Comment #131 @ 08:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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deotrip

cooller ending interview and stealing pen hahaha awesome

<< Comment #132 @ 08:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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As always, cooller decides when the interview is over, not the interviewer.

<< Comment #157 @ 08:27 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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therm - Reply to #132

he also decided that joe was cheering for him if u noticed ;D

<< Comment #134 @ 08:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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rep`

someone upload that interview to youtube when they can
it was fucking amazing

<< Comment #155 @ 08:24 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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d1z ' - Reply to #134

this.

<< Comment #135 @ 08:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Inane

will these vods end up on the esltv site or on own3d?

<< Comment #136 @ 08:03 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm

had a few nerdgasms there :D

<< Comment #138 @ 08:11 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #136

who didnt, honestly

<< Comment #149 @ 08:17 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #136

cooller in playoffs, when he's playing to win, always make my hands tremble. and I need 30mins at least to calm down again. don't ask me why, it's been always like this

<< Comment #140 @ 08:12 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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dem0n

Joe, if you read this, can you please tell me how many viewers at once you managed to reach with all streams combined (paying, free) for quakelive ?

I arrived just in time to see a nice 6.5k number for one of the two free streams and i thought it was a decent lot...

<< Comment #145 @ 08:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #140

Impossible to get real Quake numbers when the stream covers 3 different games really.

<< Comment #209 @ 11:16 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Magician - Reply to #145

what do you mean real numbers.

I'm watching starcraft 2 aswell and thats not something I normally do.
So do I not count as a starcraft 2 viewer?

A person watching is a person watching.

<< Comment #222 @ 12:39 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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vor_ - Reply to #209

I mean that when 3 games are all on the same stream you can't get real numbers for each game, you can of course take the numbers that are on the stream when each game is played but it will not be accurate like having seperate streams for each game would be. Doesn't really matter though.

<< Comment #146 @ 08:16 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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burgonya - Reply to #140

most of them wasn't watching it imo, just left the tab open and had a coffee while it showed ql and got back when cs was on again

Edited by brgn at 08:17 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #152 @ 08:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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smari - Reply to #140

Russian stream also had nearly 4000 towards the end of the Cooller game.

But I agree with brgn, many sc and cs viewers probably mute it and leave in on in the background while Quake is on.

<< Comment #153 @ 08:23 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Glot - Reply to #140

some of those were sc2 watchers prbbly, cba to turn off stream during ql :D

<< Comment #169 @ 08:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #140

also there are two streams, free and prem

<< Comment #187 @ 09:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #169

what about free1/free2 ? aren't those separate streams ?

And as much as I understand the 'sc2/cs viewers' aspect, I think then the best way to compare is to see the peak on each game.

If ql had 6.5k viewers and sc2 'only' 9k then it's fair enough...
besides, I would cut the stream in between the games, I don't see why someone would let something he doesn't like to watch ongoing...

<< Comment #189 @ 10:03 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #187

free 1 and free 2?

there is a main stage stream (joe + calipt) from esl-tv that is available as free and prem and then there is the lvl stream thats always free

<< Comment #193 @ 10:14 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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therm - Reply to #189

u mean freeze 1 and freeze 2?

<< Comment #142 @ 08:13 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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esdf '

this cooller killlsen series showed that k1llsen is just dumb as fuck, but when you have 70% rail brain doesn't matter much, even on ztn.

<< Comment #143 @ 08:14 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Joe

I fucking love Cooller

<< Comment #147 @ 08:16 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #143

tnx for qestions man

Edited by Kerchu at 08:18 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #150 @ 08:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #143

<3

<< Comment #151 @ 08:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Legie - Reply to #143

^^ joe

<< Comment #167 @ 08:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #143

"i dont ask if i can haz ur pen ur pen asks if i want it" - cooller :D

<< Comment #301 @ 00:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (194.95.82.213) - Reply to #143

say "teleporter" on the stream as many times as possible pls

<< Comment #148 @ 08:17 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ffx

Maybe it is time for k1llsen to practice vs better players and stop raping noobs with handicap on. If you aren't under pressure you won't improve your game at all and just rely on your strengths.

<< Comment #163 @ 08:29 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #148

that's i believe is what is remarkable specifically about cooller. cypher, strenx etc. really function only when they're confident. which maybe means "in control" most of the time but not necessarily. with cooller, you can really sense in game how he feels about himself and, when insecure, works on strategies to still get along. strategies which even work out, like they did today. it's just amazing to watch.

<< Comment #154 @ 08:23 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

1 game per day is just ridiculous ._.

Edited by Kerchu at 09:05 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #156 @ 08:24 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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SyXz

Quakelive.sk coverage

<< Comment #168 @ 08:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN

Zis is my pen now (c) Cooller

<< Comment #170 @ 08:45 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm

demos from both of todays matches are already uploaded, nice. gj taube

Edited by Nukm at 08:46 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #171 @ 08:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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lizahd

thats a boring tournament....

seriously, cant enjoy cypher cooller av3k k1llsen strenx etc anymore

<< Comment #173 @ 08:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #171

nice timing on ur post there bro, cooller-k1llsen was fun to watch...

<< Comment #177 @ 09:18 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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lizahd - Reply to #173

allusion to me beein mad @ k1llsen losing?

okay, but i timed it by accident on k1llsens game, i had no clue he played. i actually thought he already lost hmm..

<< Comment #172 @ 08:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm

on t7 it was also really nice to have that player cam where we could see cooller calming down and concentrating right before the overtime, always so much emotions

<< Comment #175 @ 09:12 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Sub_ - Reply to #172

yup, just wish they didn't show the wrong guy 3/4 of the time

<< Comment #178 @ 09:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #172

Having a camera on players makes a tournament like 20x better. Seeing K1llsen play is great to watch sometimes and Cooller when he rages is just pure profit. Even Cooller when he isn't raging and he just does his air-blow BOSS to calm down is epic.

<< Comment #176 @ 09:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ashy

is the cooller-k1llsen vod coming up on own3d/lvlup? :<

<< Comment #182 @ 09:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #176

yeees, PLEASE SOMEONE MAKE THIS HAPPEN

<< Comment #185 @ 09:48 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #176

was streamd by esl, so i dont think so

demos are up, though:
http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/kiev.../21237154/

<< Comment #188 @ 09:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ashy - Reply to #185

not enough cooller's povs :<

<< Comment #972 @ 09:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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yarrr - Reply to #176

http://www.goodgame.ru/video.php?ocd=view&id=2280

Russian VOD.

<< Comment #179 @ 09:23 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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bsk

Dear sweet jesus European SC2 is boring compared to the GSL. How did someone like Goody ever get this far? :/

<< Comment #183 @ 09:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #179

its all boring to watch compared to the koreans, its like watching it on 50% speed :P

<< Comment #186 @ 09:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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TheWalker - Reply to #179

Yeah :( I watched a interview with demuslim and ha said that the rest of the world isnt far behind, if behind at all, to the koreans. Such a joke. Some could compete in code A i guess, but would never stand a chance in code S.

<< Comment #191 @ 10:11 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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bsk - Reply to #186

I don't think any of these players are even Code A material.

It's pretty obvious that if you want to play at the highest level, you need to move to Korea in order to improve. I have so much respect for Jinro after what he's done.

<< Comment #195 @ 10:20 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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TheWalker - Reply to #191

Well some could definite compete against the worst players in Code A, not the best. So i guess i disagree with you there :p Some of the code A players are really really terrible. Not understanding the game at all.

And yeah Jinro is one of a kind. Cant wait until tomorrow! I hope he will win =)

<< Comment #198 @ 10:33 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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bsk - Reply to #195

Against the bottom Code A players who dropped out this season, yes. But I don't think so going forward :)

Edit: I think Jinro's got MKP's number. We'll see, hehe.

Edited by bsk at 10:35 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #211 @ 11:19 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Magician - Reply to #186

starcraft 2 != starcraft 1

<< Comment #190 @ 10:09 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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evoke - Reply to #179

SC2 is boring at any level.

<< Comment #204 @ 11:09 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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timmah - Reply to #179

Even GSL sucks. SC2 just doesn't cut it.

<< Comment #180 @ 09:27 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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occultum

Sorry for being annoying towards hardworking men but please post the VOD's for people like me that didn't watched the games :(

Edited by occultum at 09:28 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #181 @ 09:35 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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mefajpE^

To sum interviews:

+Cooller (Rakaka)
+Strenx (Rakaka)
+Cypher (Rakaka)
+strenx (Carmac)
+Spart1e (Carmac)
+fazz (SK)
+k1llsen (SK)
+strenx (SK)
+av3k (SK)
+Cooller (SK) (new)

Edited by mefajpE^ at 11:00 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #227 @ 13:39 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ischju - Reply to #181

thank you for the interesting question. well you dont hear that often! :D

<< Comment #244 @ 14:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Thorin ' - Reply to #227

^_^

<< Comment #192 @ 10:13 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

COOLLER
O
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<< Comment #199 @ 10:43 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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bsk

Ahahahahahahahahaha Joe!

<< Comment #200 @ 10:47 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Trance

UPDATE: the bronze final tomorrow will be played at 13:00 CET!!

<< Comment #201 @ 10:55 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Ryfje

can an admin at the event go round and get the configs now since there's no more matches today?

<< Comment #202 @ 10:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

~22k viewers @ cs -_-

Edited by Kerchu at 10:59 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #203 @ 11:06 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #202

On one stream you should have added. There's like 12k on another Rus one and plenty more on others :|

<< Comment #206 @ 11:11 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #202

I actually enjoy watching CS a lot more than Quake lately. CS at the highest level is pretty awesome and Quake seems kinda boring with those overplayed maps :x not that CS has new maps but there's so many cool scenarios and tactics while in Quake you've seen it all on all maps :X

<< Comment #208 @ 11:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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TheWalker - Reply to #206

I kinda agree with you. Overall CS i more fun to watch but the highlights, the really sick frags/matches are better in QL. Did that make any sense? :p

Hmm lets try it in esr language:

I can cum all over the screen of QL but not have a constant boner. But in cs im hard all trough the matches but its hard for me to cum.

Yeah... thats makes more sense.

<< Comment #210 @ 11:17 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #206

wtf are you talking about? CS is as old as Q3 is, what sort of new shit are you supposed to see there? At least QL has some new maps inserted nowadays, while CS sees no map rotation at all.

I actually like to watch CS as well, btw.

Edited by madbringer at 11:17 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #212 @ 11:41 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #210

I know that but it's still kinda fresh for me personally. I've never watched much CS, only big games at major events from time to time. However with all those changes in teams, NAVI being THE team to beat, I find it quite interesting. I like the hype around stars and teams (now SK; nice fail), it's overall refreshing after seeing Quake for ten years :P

Probably some CS-ers think the same about Quake.

<< Comment #213 @ 11:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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madbringer - Reply to #212

Ooooh, right, i misunderstood you then. Fair points, i actually feel the same, though i mix it up a bit with both CS and SC2.

<< Comment #216 @ 11:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #212

imo a difference between the two games is that cs is much more of a pain to watch on stream than quake (duel) - or at least for me. For quake there are only two possible pov's, while for cs not only are there ten pov's but it's often interesting to use the cam to navigate through the map or use the overview. Since there are more possible choices to follow the match it can sometimes be frustrating to have to follow what the streamers have decided to show you when you would do it very differently.

Edited by Naghokez at 11:54 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #217 @ 11:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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mefajpE^ - Reply to #216

Yes I agree completely.

I wouldn't watch any CS demo for that matter or stream without good cast. It's still fun when they 'catch' good actions but sometimes you won't see anything even though there were 8 frags in a round :} it must be hard to track all the action but joe/whoever it is for esl is doing fine job.

<< Comment #234 @ 14:09 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #216

the same problem with ctf\tdm, but it's probably better for newbies this way.

Edited by son1dow at 14:12 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #220 @ 12:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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havz0r - Reply to #212

You're right. I'm a long time cs player and I find the matches boring as hell. Strats are the same, positions are the same, the teams are good enough to not allow a single opponent to dominate, frags are simply exchanged 90% of the time and you rarely see killing sprees from anyone, since the opposing team is competent enough to shut down any attempt at doing so.

On the other hand, QL matches are much shorter, so even if the score ends up 3-2, you still get to see lots of shots.

If I were to sum up, I'd say any top-tier competitive game is - to a great extent - stale.

CS has its positions and strats and boring 1-minute camps followed by a standard exchange of frags. On the good side, there's a lot of hype based on players and everyone is anxious to see how many frags each of them scores

W3 has the same old cookie-cutter builds and cookie-cutter counters to those builds. The good part is you get to see nice micro moves from time to time and nice macro moves once in a hundred matches. Same here, innovation is punished by the effective, time-tested standard strat.

SC2 has become a terran-fest and tends to go towards a turtle-fest. Battles are rare and usually end in a few seconds. Too much rock-paper-scissors - one unit completely annihilates the other one. On the bright side, it looks nice, gets lots of attention from fans and seasoned players as well.

WOW, if even deserving to be mentioned as a competitive game, is almost entirely comp-dependent. One comp will beat the other while getting raped by the third. Everyone knows how to play his class, you don't have much leeway to work your way around a comp that's pummeling you - totally boring

DOTA matches are too long, a lot of time is spent farming / jungling, moving around to get a position. Basic item builds and hero roles are basically set pieces, but you also have the ability to adapt to what the other team is doing, or to the comp of the other team. Battles are nice though, great moves are bound to be pulled off.

I personally enjoy watching QL the most, since it provides the most variation out of all these games, followed by SC1, W3, DOTA, SC2 and CS

<< Comment #233 @ 14:08 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #220

you like ql because it's the most varied and yet, you like w3 more than sc2 ? :D

<< Comment #262 @ 16:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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havz0r - Reply to #233

Sure SC2 is more varied than W3, but the entirety of the match is different. In W3, many matches have non-stop fighting and skirmishing from minute 2 till the end, whereas in SC2 the armies die much faster. The idea is to build an army, have it destroyed, then quickly build another one using your 6 or 10 or whatever starports or factories. Too many SC2 matches rely on the economic advantage, while in W3 you can still hold your own against and expo-ed opponent, using fast techs and good micro.

Moreover, the micro department is more varied in W3. SC has large numbers of units with built-in abilities. W3 has a smaller number of units with usable abilities, plus heroes, each one with spells and items.

<< Comment #266 @ 16:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #262

I agree with you. From time to time I watched a wc3 final and I enjoyed it. I don't like sc2 at all. Don't really care about the macro style. A awesome surround or deathcoil was really impressive and the viewer could actually see the skill. Though wc3 got boring really quick, because it was always the same stuff.

<< Comment #314 @ 03:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #262

Either you haven't watched enough sc2 or you have a very weird taste :\ In sc2, buildings go down way faster, units have less hp\ do more damage, move faster too, which basically makes w3 look like it's retarded cousin for me, as the micro (which has more spells\etc), still feels greatly less varied for me as there's 100 times less things you can do. Couple it up with the fact that builds actually differ in sc2 so even just the armies are more different.. What can I say, I never understood w3 fans.

<< Comment #252 @ 15:43 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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f0rk123 - Reply to #220

SC2 could easily sort itself out.
Do CS fans/players acknowledge they are playing the same old maps like the quake community did?

<< Comment #255 @ 15:56 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #252

Some do others don't. I guess 30% are still hatin on tuscan :D.

<< Comment #270 @ 17:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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f0rk123 - Reply to #255

I haven't seen it played once this tourney :< I quite like playing it in source.

<< Comment #276 @ 18:04 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #206

well its completely opposite to my point :D been playing cs since 2k2 with breaks for rtcw/et/bf2, watched a shitload of matches, been following frag executors since they were named "pentagram conexXxion" (xD) played a shitload of cb and esl matches, attended some local lans. Switched to quake back in 2k9, its completely different world for me, but I like having that feeling that im improving my game, having better understanding and stuff.
As for watching CS : followed some matches at dreamhack, and I realized that FX are using almost same setups for defence as i seen them at around 2k3-2k8/7, and it applies to most of the teams i been watching in december, also matches look a lot like they used to look like 4 years ago.
As for quake : maybe im wrong but ive got the feeling that i can see a more variation with player's gameplay, strenx, avek, cypher, and so on - we can see them play a lot different than in last iem euro finals for example, if u add that mappool has been changed a lot (but not always in good way - i mean : gtfo dismemberment, need phrantic, or that qw map that has been added lastly, cant recall the name) - if i sum this up, i can say that fun factor with following quake circuit is for me a lot bigger than it was back in cs, and propably i would switch to quake even earlier, but I really enjoyed to play with my clan mates, we knew eachother for ages and it was really great time for me, even if I was complete nerd.

Anyway I can get your point, cause in CS some "highlight stuff" is more common and readable than in quake, where uve got just one opponent, so we dont see actions like this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t61KB6IPFxk
Adrenaline 1 and 2 were first fragmovies I ever watched, and they pushed me to competetive play, so I decided it would be good xD
Just watch first action and u'll get it

<< Comment #207 @ 11:13 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Jink

Cooller is playing bad in this event. Having trouble beating noctis and killsen. Can't see why he should feel his mouse against strenx if he did not do today and yesterday and dont plan on training.

<< Comment #230 @ 14:03 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #207

he had good aim on t4 vs k1llsen...if he could keep that consistent, might be gud

<< Comment #219 @ 12:23 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm

joe lost some bet

Edited by Nukm at 12:23 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #221 @ 12:32 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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havz0r - Reply to #219

He almost has nice boobs.

<< Comment #224 @ 13:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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thuNDa - Reply to #219

wow, he is in great shape... :P

<< Comment #231 @ 14:04 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #219

Edited by h8m3 at 14:04 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #223 @ 12:46 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

vh

~~

Edited by vh at 06:40 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #232 @ 14:06 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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vh - Reply to #223

omg, fix plz ~~

<< Comment #236 @ 14:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #232

agreed, would be a good idea to fix your post

<< Comment #249 @ 15:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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vh - Reply to #236

yeah, I'd like to fix my brain too, but it's to late :(

<< Comment #253 @ 15:47 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #249

link of unknown magic: http://www.esreality.com/?a=editpost&id=2021986

<< Comment #475 @ 06:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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vh - Reply to #253

so awesome, thx man. This website is so high-tech!

<< Comment #225 @ 13:22 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Trance

Quarter-Final #1: Av3k vs fazz VOD is up

http://www.own3d.tv/lvlup#/watch/57904

Also:

Edited by PerpetualWar at 14:20 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #228 @ 13:58 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #225

I can't find the strenx vs avek vod, has it been uploaded (sorry if it's already been asked)?

<< Comment #229 @ 14:01 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #228

ESL TV covered that one, not us.

<< Comment #235 @ 14:18 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #229

ah, too bad. Thanks.

<< Comment #239 @ 14:39 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #225

Thanks alot Trance, your the man. And the whole team ofcourse.

<< Comment #258 @ 16:15 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

jamalz - Reply to #225

shes hot enough to kidnap and keep in my basement

<< Comment #267 @ 16:57 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

esdf ' - Reply to #225

post girl's contacts here pls.

<< Comment #269 @ 17:02 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #267

Why you need this specific one's? It's Ukraine, you just go out on the street and every other girl looks like that.

<< Comment #275 @ 17:57 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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esdf ' - Reply to #269

same thing here in croatia you fucker, but i want the one's contacts!

<< Comment #307 @ 02:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rikk - Reply to #275

lies! and i know this!

<< Comment #268 @ 17:01 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #225

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_e...KkQFn32eWs

<< Comment #290 @ 20:18 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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goodbye_world - Reply to #225

Did he seal the deal or is it a contract clause that states razer girls must hang out with razer players to boost their confidence?

<< Comment #293 @ 20:25 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #290

Man, please! Avek only likes girls!

<< Comment #294 @ 20:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

evilbollweevil - Reply to #290

haha

<< Comment #297 @ 21:36 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Mitritch - Reply to #290

Envy?

<< Comment #250 @ 15:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (94.168.174.227)

When will ESL upload their side of the vods??

<< Comment #238 @ 14:27 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

son1dow

Cooller = PacMan (C) strenx

<< Comment #240 @ 14:46 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #238

These are not his words, madix already used that comparison on beard's stream of zotac in addition he mentioned a person which said it before, but cant recall the name.
Frenchie is still trying to be cool.

<< Comment #243 @ 14:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #240

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIq9jFdEfZo&t=1m27s

<< Comment #247 @ 15:08 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #243

but you are the fat one between me and you :D

<< Comment #245 @ 15:05 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Twisp. - Reply to #240

zsx said it first at dh i think.

<< Comment #241 @ 14:51 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #238

A PacMan with magic pills eating french douchebags

<< Comment #242 @ 14:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:35 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #248 @ 15:31 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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vh - Reply to #242

yeah, guy with black hair standing behind mTw

<< Comment #246 @ 15:05 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

tourist

why are these nerds wearing two sets of headphones?

<< Comment #265 @ 16:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

havz0r - Reply to #246

Edited by havz0r at 16:56 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #313 @ 03:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #246

mb they use 2nd headphones as mics?

<< Comment #318 @ 03:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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tourist - Reply to #313

wow why didn't I think of that? must be because I'm not russian and I can live with one headphones (and mic).

<< Comment #339 @ 04:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #318

k

<< Comment #317 @ 03:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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therogue - Reply to #246

guess you meant FX? they have to wear the stage headphones, so they use their sponsor headphones for mics

<< Comment #327 @ 04:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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crea* ' - Reply to #246

One for sound, one for cancelling out outside noise.

<< Comment #251 @ 15:39 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Av3k vs Cypher? ...

Edited by luanswan2002 at 15:39 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #254 @ 15:52 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #251

I wanna see that too.. unfortunatly it was casted by ESL so its their responsability to upload the VOD.

And we all know what that means

<< Comment #257 @ 16:06 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #254

it was casted by ESL

wtf r u talking about?

<< Comment #259 @ 16:17 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #257

I mean the game was showed by the ESL TV site, so for all i know they are the ones who can upload the VOD.

Correct me if i'm wrong since i'm not that inside of the event.

Edited by occultum at 16:18 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #260 @ 16:25 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #259

Unless you're a time traveler, I'm pretty sure that game hasn't been played yet...

<< Comment #264 @ 16:47 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #260

Ye sorry , studying is killing me.
I thought he was talking about cooller vs killsen :<

<< Comment #273 @ 17:51 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Kirua. - Reply to #264

Tbh it's pretty easy to read avek vs cypher as cooller vs killsen. Could happen to anybody.

<< Comment #274 @ 17:53 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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occultum - Reply to #273

:D

<< Comment #256 @ 15:59 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm

some stats about the semi finals

<< Comment #261 @ 16:34 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

ischju

is there a vod of strenx vs. av3k?

<< Comment #263 @ 16:41 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

nvc

Steam groups:

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/leveluptv
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/cpmpickup

<< Comment #271 @ 17:34 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

naymlis

did i miss the games?

<< Comment #272 @ 17:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #271

2 hours later..

<< Comment #279 @ 18:16 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (88.192.172.12)

@nvc

"Whilst we won't schedule every event through steam (to avoid spamming you all)"

I was going to join if you would have done it. No point joining now. People who doesn't like event spamming can disable it in options.

<< Comment #277 @ 18:09 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

QkumbR

esl tv working or neg?

<< Comment #278 @ 18:14 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #277

they just got done covering counterstrike.. now its down/offline. ANY INFO ON QUAKE?!

<< Comment #280 @ 18:50 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

QkumbR

well when they hell are they gonna play quake?

<< Comment #281 @ 18:54 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

Demo question: Watched cooller pov demo vs. kilsen -- many times I heard that clicking "out of ammo" sound, despite the fact he had ammo.
For example on T4, when Cooller would camp RG weap spawn, I could hear those clicking sounds. Even in the Kilsen pov demo vs. Cooller, at time you could hear the sounds when Cooller was close.
Just wondering...

<< Comment #282 @ 19:00 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #281

if you click the USE ITEM bind which uses a special item you pick up in other gametypes (med-kit, kamikaze, etc) and don't have a special item, it will make that sound.

Edited by naymlis at 19:00 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #283 @ 19:19 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #281

I'm pretty sure he has that bound to his mouse wheel and just fucks around with it when he runs over the maps.

<< Comment #292 @ 20:23 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #283

ty guys...speaking of fucking around, I noticed on t4(where Cooller denied Kilsen rail for almost 5mins!) Cooller's clicking around the rg spawn -- almost like "neener,neener you ain't getting this gun!" -- sound taunt? ;)

Edited by evilbollweevil at 20:27 CST, 22 January 2011

<< Comment #328 @ 04:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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baron Railgun ' - Reply to #292

he also made that fast crouch on repeat, like "fuck you now"

<< Comment #351 @ 04:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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IrrSolicitude - Reply to #328

haha yeah so ture

<< Comment #1076 @ 10:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #328

ahaha absolutely :)

<< Comment #284 @ 19:21 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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naymlis

when something is scheduled to happen and then it doesn't after 3 hours that scheduled time, isn't it common courtesy to let everyone waiting around for 3 hours know what's going on..? or did i read the times wrong

<< Comment #286 @ 19:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #284

just now realized it's tomorrow.. I'm retarded.

<< Comment #289 @ 20:07 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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ted - Reply to #286

atleast you didn't go full retard

<< Comment #295 @ 20:46 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

oneroomdisco - Reply to #289

you never go full retard

<< Comment #296 @ 20:49 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

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naymlis - Reply to #289

haha love that movie.. might watch it again tonight

<< Comment #291 @ 20:22 CST, 22 January 2011 >>

By

zar4

need cooller and killsen interview vod :(

<< Comment #300 @ 00:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (129.59.183.132)

There are so many matches I want to see that I can't. Thanks a lot ESL.

You would think they would have the capability to get VODs up quickly, but guess not.

<< Comment #298 @ 00:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

cooller interview so sexy :D

cooller is pretty kewl.. improving his english as well <3 :D

<< Comment #299 @ 00:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

"he made just words for me" @cooller :D:D:D:D <3 gold!..

to the question "cypher rekons that cooller cant beat him kakaka"

<< Comment #304 @ 02:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Putton

everybody deserved the win expect strenx cuaze hes french

<< Comment #305 @ 02:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24 - Reply to #304

This is for you!

S T R E N X
T
R
E
N
X

I hope this will be a classic 5 match battle, that will go 5/4 in each match.

<< Comment #311 @ 03:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (208.110.65.123) - Reply to #304

no strenx no fun
we need clows to entertain us

<< Comment #319 @ 03:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Avek Vs Cyper delayed. (ESL stream)
till when?

<< Comment #320 @ 04:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kaide

shit im so looking forward for this, cypher vs avek is best matchup in tourney for sure so far

<< Comment #321 @ 04:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

trolles

is the stage stream working for you? cause i cant get it to start...

<< Comment #322 @ 04:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #321

Works for me

<< Comment #323 @ 04:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

trolles - Reply to #322

thanks

i dont know whats going on, all the other own3d streams work fine but this gets stuck loading :/

<< Comment #325 @ 04:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #323

Yesterday own3d didnt run for me iether watched it on justin

<< Comment #324 @ 04:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

krabban

A delayed match? boy, that sure was unexpected..

<< Comment #329 @ 04:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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palatka - Reply to #324

hey at least u get nice pop music!!

<< Comment #336 @ 04:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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jamalz - Reply to #329

american pop is garbage

<< Comment #342 @ 04:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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palatka - Reply to #336

correction: all pop is garbage

<< Comment #326 @ 04:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yo ooooh shakira sup shawty?

Edited by Aquashark at 04:15 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #330 @ 04:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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crea* ' - Reply to #326

IAM CRAZY BUT YOULL LIEK IT LOKA LOKA LOKA LOKALOKALOKALOKA

<< Comment #332 @ 04:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16 - Reply to #326

Rihanna 4 life

<< Comment #333 @ 04:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh

I am gonna be the last one landing lalalala

<< Comment #335 @ 04:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

n1ghty

START: DELAYED

oh and for the guys, that are already annoyed from the bad music on the esl-stream. go for it: http://soundcloud.com/michael-cassette/tracks?page=1

Edited by n1ghty at 04:30 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #338 @ 04:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh - Reply to #335

What is that in CET?

<< Comment #340 @ 04:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #338

it's like every time and no time at the same time, you know?

<< Comment #343 @ 04:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh - Reply to #340

Perfectly ...wait Joe is talking!!!

<< Comment #337 @ 04:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh

I am starting to understand QL tournaments.
Quakecon starts the day after its scheduled.
ESL starts hours after its scheduled.

<< Comment #341 @ 04:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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GrotesK - Reply to #337

whoa.. you've only just figured this one out?

<< Comment #345 @ 04:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #341

what about ESWC and kaspersky?

<< Comment #344 @ 04:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

oh man and i thoutht i gona miss the match, tnx ESL !

<< Comment #346 @ 04:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl

why is everyone saying that cypher beat cooller 2-0? :D

<< Comment #347 @ 04:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

erok

is there even anything on the stream? all im getting is a spinning circle

<< Comment #349 @ 04:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #347

this one works for me http://tv.esl.eu/de/55-flv-fs1/

atm joe and calipt talking. cypher vs avek coming up soon.

Edited by scowl at 04:40 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #353 @ 04:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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erok - Reply to #349

hm same thing on that one, seems others are having the same issue :( oh well bed time

<< Comment #348 @ 04:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

trolles

any alternative links for the stream?

<< Comment #350 @ 04:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Free ESL stream working for someone here ?

I have black screen with the circle sign going on and on.

<< Comment #352 @ 04:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #350

4k spectators, but many ppl are complaining about own3d lately

Edited by Kerchu at 04:46 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #355 @ 04:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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trolles - Reply to #350

yea, happens here too

edit: the russian stream works at least...

Edited by trolles at 04:51 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #354 @ 04:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, I want to see the match !!!

I see the game has already started damn, but when I press play it just turns black with the lame circle.

EDIT: works now, rebooted my connection and it works...

Edited by Infuscomus at 04:54 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #361 @ 05:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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OSEF - Reply to #354

try :

http://cyberarena.tv/iem_quake.php

<< Comment #356 @ 04:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

try restarting / changing browser

usually works for me

<< Comment #357 @ 04:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

GO GO AVEK!!

<< Comment #358 @ 05:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

avek vs cypher = total quake

<< Comment #359 @ 05:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

therm

epic ztn by avek ;)

<< Comment #360 @ 05:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

GO AV3KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!

<< Comment #362 @ 05:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

no air control = fail

<< Comment #363 @ 05:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston - Reply to #362

avek has stolen cypher's shoes so his movement was off there

Edited by kaleena at 05:09 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #364 @ 05:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

terrorhead - Reply to #363

:D

<< Comment #365 @ 05:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

never seen cypher miss so much

<< Comment #366 @ 05:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kaliberr44 - Reply to #365

never seen avek miss so much either

Had razer change firmware, or quakelive changed something with mouse input without telling anyone?

<< Comment #368 @ 05:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kaliberr44 - Reply to #365

seems like it ok for cypher on hub again :)

<< Comment #402 @ 05:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (96.247.1.226)

Fucking biased as fuck casters

<< Comment #403 @ 05:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #402

what game were you watching?

<< Comment #464 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (96.247.1.226) - Reply to #403

I just get tired of the casters raving non-stop about how great cypher's combat skills are. Every time he lands a rocket or a rail "OMG always doing so much damage, amazing!!!" I already know cypher is good at dealing damage. Whatever, great games from both players.

<< Comment #367 @ 05:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

INSANE KILL :D

<< Comment #371 @ 05:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_ - Reply to #367

\:D/

<< Comment #373 @ 05:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

LukKe - Reply to #367

czm approves

<< Comment #369 @ 05:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS

omg that frag from cypher on aero is movie worth

<< Comment #370 @ 05:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

best frag of the tournament right there.

<< Comment #372 @ 05:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

holy fuck the aim is crazy for these two

<< Comment #374 @ 05:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Oh shit hektik coming up :))))))))

<< Comment #375 @ 05:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

fADEn

this is one epic clash of the aim titans =)

<< Comment #401 @ 05:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (79.16.175.172)

they are both insane

<< Comment #376 @ 05:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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sch.

eh 2 last maps favors cypher :<

i will be really suprised if avek wins that

<< Comment #380 @ 05:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Derb_ - Reply to #376

OWNED

<< Comment #406 @ 05:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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sch. - Reply to #380

Yeah I really wasn't expecting that :D

Hektik and Aerowalk are so fast and rail heavy maps. Amazing job by avek.

<< Comment #377 @ 05:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

never exchange rail with cypher avek - you are sure to loose

<< Comment #378 @ 05:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

i'm a nooob but i bet i can take down emo cypher=)

<< Comment #381 @ 05:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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caesar_ - Reply to #378

cypher not raging, avek just played amazing on hektik

<< Comment #379 @ 05:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<< Comment #382 @ 05:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

cypher, son I am dissapoint : |

<< Comment #383 @ 05:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ziel

Love it when avek is on...hes like an ultra aggressive cooller sometimes with his item control.

Haven't seen him play this well since ESWC which is great to see after his poor performance at dreamhack.

<< Comment #418 @ 05:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (79.16.175.172) - Reply to #383

this

<< Comment #384 @ 05:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:35 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #413 @ 05:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #384

strenx doesn't win, but cooller loses.

<< Comment #386 @ 05:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

I hope Av3k to beat Cypher (c) Cooller

what a word!

<< Comment #405 @ 05:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #386

yeah finaly cooller took cypher out !

<< Comment #385 @ 05:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS

deserved win for av3k. one of the smartest players on the scene

<< Comment #387 @ 05:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

cypher is like playing a noob vs avek and rapha.

<< Comment #388 @ 05:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Cwiru

congratulations for this one, who put avek into lower seed

<< Comment #389 @ 05:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Junktroller - Reply to #388

Polish flag

<< Comment #400 @ 05:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #388

avek did that himself ;)

<< Comment #391 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Derb_

man, these guys are 2 world-class talents. seriously great players.

<< Comment #392 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

twister

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2019386#pid2019386
np

<< Comment #393 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2022284#pid2021724

I rule at predictions :)

<< Comment #395 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Spyyder

Hope strenx takes 1st now. :D

<< Comment #394 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Attyla7

just P(r)oland

<< Comment #420 @ 05:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

DamianLillard - Reply to #394

Pooland

<< Comment #396 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

"my problem was- i forget to count items when i'm too nervous. but i'm over it now. "
no, you're not. =-(

<< Comment #397 @ 05:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston

Well played, I really expected cypher to win tbh.

<< Comment #398 @ 05:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

clemso

Hektik was just awesome to watch. What a nailbiter. GG Avek!

<< Comment #399 @ 05:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

just awesome control by avek; great series :)

Personally I don't think you would have seen such inconsistent aim with cypher + wmo, but he signed the contract I guess...

<< Comment #404 @ 05:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Looks like avek did get the girl and the happy ending. Cypher, not so lucky.

<< Comment #427 @ 05:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston - Reply to #404

Alltimes lucky cypher... not.

<< Comment #417 @ 05:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (62.163.128.38)

hihihi i told you cypher wasnt going to be first:)

<< Comment #407 @ 05:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ffx

People flame k1llsen for being aim only but seriously cypher played really dumb vs avek and only his combat skills kept him in the game. Props to avek, great timing and decision making.

Edited by ffx at 05:42 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #412 @ 05:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lave - Reply to #407

cooller said that about cypher once - when his aim doesnt work well he wont adapt to that and go emotional instead, becoming worse in the other aspects of quake aswell

<< Comment #408 @ 05:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

although i've never seen cypher miss so many shots and i think he underpeformed a bit you can't take it away from av3k, especially on hektik.. hoping for cooller to beat strenx now for an exciting final!

<< Comment #409 @ 05:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

jamalz

av3ks English got really nice. :)

Edited by jamalz at 05:45 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #414 @ 05:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #409

yeah, his active vocabulary is pretty decent. If only he talked faster, i could actually enjoy listening to him..

Edited by scowl at 05:47 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #410 @ 05:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

u know what would be fun? :D
if it will be like av3k > cypher > cooller > av3k ;D

in other case: GO STRENX :> show us some good stuff

<< Comment #411 @ 05:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

abyssus 40€, tarantula 70€, goliathus 25€...item timing, priceless! for everything else there's mastercard=)

<< Comment #415 @ 05:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS

Cyphers goal was to get to to World Finals not first place btw:)

<< Comment #419 @ 05:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_ - Reply to #415

actually his goal was to win every tournament this year

<< Comment #490 @ 06:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS - Reply to #419

I'm always aiming to win tournament, but just for now, my aim to qualify [for IEM World Finals] is bigger than to win tournament

<< Comment #878 @ 09:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

/rage quit - Reply to #490

cypher won't win iem world if he'll be afraid of avek and rapha..

<< Comment #1121 @ 11:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

T1E - Reply to #878

..and strenx

:>

<< Comment #425 @ 05:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Spyyder - Reply to #415

ofc his goal was first, everyones goal is first place.

<< Comment #416 @ 05:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

duumed

avek talks too much :/

<< Comment #421 @ 05:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

mancrush on avek<3

<< Comment #422 @ 05:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

nice analysis from avek of his games there

<< Comment #465 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Is there a restream of the free stream somewhere? own3d.tv never works for me.

<< Comment #423 @ 05:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

GUArd

Nice (smart) talks (not only about game) by Avek.
He is #1 in cutting map in 2 peaces, then he is in control.

<< Comment #424 @ 05:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

chubz

av3k style still pisses me off ... needs more finesse imo

but gg on beating cypher anyways

Edited by chubz at 05:52 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #426 @ 05:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

dansen

lmao @ cooller's recommendation to strenx

<< Comment #428 @ 05:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

did cooller sign a contract to use the abyssus also???

<< Comment #429 @ 05:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

just wait now..Strenx is gonna stick his meat into Cooller's black hole=)

<< Comment #478 @ 06:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

azxx - Reply to #429

hello, rage quit.

hahahahah

<< Comment #430 @ 05:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

wow cooller looked worried and strenx looks calm???

<< Comment #440 @ 05:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

therm - Reply to #430

cooller allways looks worried

<< Comment #431 @ 05:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

u heard that? he can dodge your bullets, strenx :> give up :>>

<< Comment #432 @ 05:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

chubz

btw did anyone notice how strenx took over av3k's mouse on hektik when shaft got out :)

100% LG :)

<< Comment #433 @ 05:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

"if I lose, it's a new experience for me" (c) strenx

<< Comment #444 @ 06:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston - Reply to #433

haha

<< Comment #434 @ 05:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lave

oh c'mon carmac.. u cant ask player what happenes when they loose right before the game. what is this shit :P

<< Comment #437 @ 05:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Magician - Reply to #434

He is a total cooller fanboy, trying everything to make his idol win.

cmon strenx!

<< Comment #435 @ 05:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<< Comment #436 @ 05:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

i know how to move vs his lg

<< Comment #438 @ 05:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Cyn1c

Absolutely cracker of a first semi. GG av3k!

lol-ending@interview with Strenx.

<< Comment #439 @ 05:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

unihumi

Haha, epic

cal1pt: "If strenx wins, it's because Cooller told him so. If Cooller wins, it's because Cooller is a legend."

xD

<< Comment #441 @ 05:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

fragv

lol @ cooller, plays with his eyes closed.

<< Comment #442 @ 06:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<< Comment #443 @ 06:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston

eaten by pacman

and almost 8k viewers woot!

Edited by kaleena at 06:08 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #445 @ 06:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

baron Railgun '

1-0 on dm13
good. +back time (c) jibo

<< Comment #461 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (92.224.242.20)

why did strenx only play one map vs cooler in the semi final???

<< Comment #446 @ 06:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

dm13 stalemate ?

Edited by Six16 at 06:24 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #447 @ 06:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lave

what a dm13 game

<< Comment #448 @ 06:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

I'm fuckin' bored, strenx knows when not to be agressive.

<< Comment #467 @ 06:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Attyla7 - Reply to #448

loled

<< Comment #449 @ 06:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

longest ql game ive seen in a tourney

<< Comment #450 @ 06:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

wtf? are there any games? esl page is dead for me

<< Comment #463 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

twister - Reply to #450

same :/
can watch here with russian commentary http://cyberarena.tv/iem_quake.php

<< Comment #451 @ 06:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

GOOLLER AND STRENX GET ON WITH IT

<< Comment #452 @ 06:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<< Comment #462 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_ - Reply to #452

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<< Comment #469 @ 06:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu - Reply to #462

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<< Comment #472 @ 06:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Dynamix - Reply to #469

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

<< Comment #453 @ 06:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

becks

BEST PLAYER EVER!!!

<< Comment #454 @ 06:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Cooller is going to need a smoke break.

<< Comment #455 @ 06:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

YEAHHH COOLLER

<< Comment #456 @ 06:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

How did calipt count 25 minutes, this isn't Q3 hehe

<< Comment #459 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston - Reply to #456

haha yeah

<< Comment #457 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

OMFG IM SPRAYING CUM EVEYRWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OMFG IM SPRAYING CUM EVEYRWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #458 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR '

OMG epic dm13 :D

<< Comment #688 @ 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (83.87.21.249)

DAYUM13

<< Comment #460 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS

cooller is awsome!

<< Comment #466 @ 06:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z '

OMFG DM13 GAME

<< Comment #468 @ 06:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR '

ESL has colapsed due to the inane amount of viewers tuning to see the french douchebag? mmmmmmmm to see the king coollerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the PHUK-MAN ^^

<< Comment #481 @ 06:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lojik - Reply to #468

Inane (adjective)

1. Empty, insubstantial
2. lacking significance, meaning, or point : silly <inane comments>

Maybe a typo, but still correct.

<< Comment #486 @ 06:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston - Reply to #481

lol

<< Comment #487 @ 06:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #481

thanks dude, im sprayin' so much i typed sh1t :D

<< Comment #470 @ 06:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

son1dow

Cooller felt like marking his victory with a esr crash

<< Comment #471 @ 06:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

man strenx almost looks like crying....

<< Comment #476 @ 06:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #471

oh i feel so sad for him :(

not! :D

<< Comment #473 @ 06:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Ryan2015

Making the event EPIC afterall

<< Comment #474 @ 06:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

weeja

COOLLER DECIDES THE SCHEDULING OF IEM EURO

<< Comment #477 @ 06:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

pharrow

:o

GG

<< Comment #479 @ 06:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scriptor

goddamn, cooller raping today

<< Comment #480 @ 06:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

zuphrin

strenx had no items to use! :(

<< Comment #482 @ 06:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR '

da fuckkkkkkkk

Edited by gSTRUCTOR at 06:41 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #483 @ 06:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:35 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #484 @ 06:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

son1dow

STRENX USES GODMODE

<< Comment #485 @ 06:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

veed

AV3K F - T - W

<< Comment #591 @ 07:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

crea* ' - Reply to #485

14.4k modem?

<< Comment #488 @ 06:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

cooller should really skip those cigarette breaks, he always comes back less focused from them

<< Comment #508 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #488

True true, its proven smoking diminishes the amount of blood/oxygen that reaches the brain, and we all know that cooller is all bout brain.

<< Comment #489 @ 06:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

bl4ze

anyone have cypher pov demo on hub? i completely missed the whole cypher-av3k match :(

<< Comment #491 @ 06:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

no lg on t4 so cooller will win?

<< Comment #492 @ 07:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

okay I feel strenx is going to win this tourney

<< Comment #493 @ 07:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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therm - Reply to #492

i knew it from the first moments of cypher-aveks hektik game ;))

oh wait

Edited by 7herm at 07:07 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #494 @ 07:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Trance

calipt mein freund, please stop saying "like" every 15 seconds. You're killing me :)

<< Comment #495 @ 07:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

i like how cooller calls pause when he has 7hp ROFL

<< Comment #496 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

therm

wtf hahah

<< Comment #497 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

OMFG

<< Comment #498 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

ROFL, admin/ql fail..

<< Comment #499 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

ROFL STRENX IS GOING TO EXPLODE WITH ANGER

<< Comment #500 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

butchji

tauBe good admin.

<< Comment #502 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN

Anyone else find it kind of funny that Russian admins pause it AFTER Cooller takes the lead?

<< Comment #521 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #502

considering taube is a German word, I'm gonna guess it's a German admin.

Not that I wouldn't be biased for cooller ;P

<< Comment #533 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #521

Yeah figured that as well, but ua/rus crowd :P

<< Comment #524 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #502

taube is german

<< Comment #501 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

duumed

lmao@admins

<< Comment #503 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

russian mafia at work

Edited by Kerchu at 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #504 @ 07:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

therm

cooller trolled him hard hahahahahah

<< Comment #505 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gienon

Cooller is such a nice guy for the spectators that he lets strenx take 2 maps just to make the match a bit more entertaining.

<< Comment #514 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #505

was thinking exactly the same, you got to love the king

<< Comment #506 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ado-

WTF are ESL crackhead admins doing?

<< Comment #507 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kevz

AHAHAHAA

ESL WORST ORGANIZATION EVER :x

<< Comment #531 @ 07:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #507

One admin screwed up. Don't generalize.

<< Comment #723 @ 08:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #531

worst site, worst free stream of all free streams, worst admins, never starting on time even if its the first game of the day

am i still wrong?

<< Comment #735 @ 08:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #723

You can highlight all shit you want. Still, they are promoting quake as it was never done before. Would you really prefer not to have them? I surely don't.

<< Comment #509 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Derb_

CONSPIRACY !!!! MATCH WAS FIXED FOR COOLLER!

<< Comment #510 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr

hahahahaha
cooller desides when timeout will be

<< Comment #518 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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yarrr - Reply to #510

And lags too, ofc.

<< Comment #511 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z '

LOL

<< Comment #512 @ 07:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

knobless

no more luck whine cooller.. no more..

<< Comment #513 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ted

are you fucking kidding me?

<< Comment #515 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:35 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1061 @ 10:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #515

no they shouldn't

<< Comment #516 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Magician

R O T F L M A O

EASTERN EUROPE FTW

<< Comment #733 @ 08:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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veed - Reply to #516

Get this black dick out of your mouth man.

Edited by veed at 08:23 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #517 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

phate

t4 should be replayed :O)

<< Comment #559 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ziel - Reply to #517

Why? both continued to play through the lag. Both were lagging so I guess that could be seen as even?

Should just finish the 30seconds out. It's a difficult situation for admins either way...always hard to decide the most fair option.

<< Comment #784 @ 08:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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phate - Reply to #559

Lag produces randomness. You don't want randomness to decide the final map in a bo5, do you?

<< Comment #874 @ 09:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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leopold ' - Reply to #784

so does the spawn system:P

<< Comment #519 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lagging my ass...COOLLAH POWAH:D lets lag the server and kill the damn frenchie=)

<< Comment #520 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

son1dow

that's the things (c) Cooller

<< Comment #522 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

caesar_

the things is you killed me twice when i had lags THAT'S THE THINGS

Edited by caesar_ at 07:11 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #523 @ 07:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

edramaaaa

<< Comment #525 @ 07:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rly. where's ur fair play award now ? :| should be replayed.

<< Comment #528 @ 07:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #525

Cooller decides what is fair.

<< Comment #538 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

son1dow - Reply to #528

Fairness waits to pause as to make Cooller least angry

<< Comment #535 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

twister - Reply to #525

nothing to do with fair play, its not cooller who should decide whether or not it should get replayed.

<< Comment #570 @ 07:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #535

well ofc it's not cooller who decides replay. admins to decide replay or not. but he said: i won't play anyway. so if it will replay- there goes whine again. there will be whine anyway, but replay is more fair imo. if u better: win it again. clean. without any lags involved. it's lan ffs

<< Comment #577 @ 07:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #570

well i certainly hope its not cooller who decides what happens, not that obvious sadly thinking back to the cooller - av3k game a year ago.

<< Comment #586 @ 07:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #577

well that WAS fair :D replayed t7 and lost it fair and square.

but yeah. not he's choice :>

<< Comment #584 @ 07:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #570

at this level its not about being better. Everyone is almost equal. Certain moments in a fight decides who will be the winner. You cannot replay something like this.

<< Comment #596 @ 07:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #584

and who's creating these certain moments? the same players who replaying the same map at the same day :| dunno why it's not decides the winner.

p.s. f*ck l*ck

<< Comment #612 @ 07:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #596

What if cooller gets a bad start and bad spawns? Do you even know how deciding that can be on pro level?

What happends if they replay and cooller gets a bad start and gets killed and gets few bad spawns?? Thats not unusual in QL.

And cooller was winning 7-6 with 30 secs left. He had the match in his pocket. Replaying this means a second chance for strenx and a mental blow for cooller.

It's just retarded.

<< Comment #645 @ 07:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #612

mb u right with luck at the start and all this stuff. just i think what if this damn LAGS AT LAN can do something with strenx loosing his map control at the 2nd half of the game. this is not seems fair to me neither.

<< Comment #662 @ 07:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #612

and i don't think 30seconds and 1frag can guarantee you a win.

<< Comment #526 @ 07:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR '

Can somebody explain exactly what happened? For the bandwith impaired horde like me that missed it due to buffering skipping etc. Thanks in advance :D

<< Comment #527 @ 07:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe

lmao @ admin waiting for cooller to take the lead before pausing the match.

fair play all the way :D

<< Comment #529 @ 07:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kalston

cooller than ever

<< Comment #687 @ 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (82.83.210.222)

HAHAHAHAHAHA

EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #530 @ 07:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lojik

And down goes the stream :)

<< Comment #536 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #530

yeah same :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

<< Comment #532 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

karizma

best time to pause anyway .. rofl .. =)

<< Comment #534 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

cooller fucking delivers once again :)

<< Comment #537 @ 07:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Vium

those damn Russian cables filled with vodka and mold.

<< Comment #539 @ 07:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

OMG STREAMS DOWN¬!?! ADJAHSKDJAd

<< Comment #540 @ 07:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

"component exception" on stream, anyone else got that?

<< Comment #541 @ 07:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

stream's dead

<< Comment #542 @ 07:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Ryan2015

Shame it ends like this after 4 great maps

<< Comment #677 @ 08:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

OSEF

why this pause ? the game was close to be finish

<< Comment #543 @ 07:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ESL you need to pause the game not the stream.

<< Comment #544 @ 07:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr

Cooller desides that is 100% win. SC2 next.

<< Comment #545 @ 07:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

esdf '

i dont think they should replay cause both strenx and cooller played under same conditions and it was obvious one of them is gonna get the advantage, i'm just glad that it's cooller.

but regarding esl admins, how fucking lame you have to be to not pause just because the homeguy has a slight better position on the map and waiting till he takes the lead? what a fucking joke of an event and organisation.

Edited by esdf at 07:19 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #594 @ 07:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #545

Reality is usually plain simple and stupid, rather than evil. You are jumping to conclusions.

<< Comment #613 @ 07:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

esdf ' - Reply to #594

man the guy paused the instant cooller fragged strenx to take the lead... dont simplify things.

scheisse scheisse meine tauBe weisse :D

<< Comment #547 @ 07:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

weeja

stream is down wtf

<< Comment #548 @ 07:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

shadowmaster155

While we wait for the games to start, How about some nice quake4 action. What do you guys think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lgpChv4MiU

Enjoy!

<< Comment #552 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #548

nuke this shit already

<< Comment #694 @ 08:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

shadowmaster155 - Reply to #552

Ehm why? Im trying to contribute something nice to the community.
Event though its not your favorite quake game, You will still enjoy it.
It got highlevel skill with nice frags and more.

<< Comment #719 @ 08:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #694

^^ nuke this also

<< Comment #553 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN - Reply to #548

Have you tried Militia?

<< Comment #560 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

annihiluzz - Reply to #548

best post ever

<< Comment #563 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr - Reply to #548

quake4? What is this?

<< Comment #647 @ 07:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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shadowmaster155 - Reply to #563

-.- Best best quake game.

<< Comment #564 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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therm - Reply to #548

go practice more xmass ffa cos cooller still beats u

<< Comment #667 @ 07:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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shadowmaster155 - Reply to #564

There is no xmass ffa in q4, That only exist in QL.
But i dont think there would be that much problem getting a better time on a ffa game then cooller.

In a duel on the other hand, Cooller would beat me like 70% of the time.

<< Comment #710 @ 08:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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zealot - Reply to #667

now you're just grasping at straws, stfu for once.

<< Comment #865 @ 09:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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therm - Reply to #667

go fap to some porn jamerio as u probably do bery often and spare us this bs

<< Comment #1158 @ 15:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ultij - Reply to #667

Cooller would beat you like 70% of the time?
Then you have to choose situations when to be aggressive and when to be not aggressive.

<< Comment #578 @ 07:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kalston - Reply to #548

are you still the best?

<< Comment #675 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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shadowmaster155 - Reply to #578

I have never claimed to be THE best quake4 player. Im a top 5 player.

<< Comment #609 @ 07:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #548

again with the crappy music.

<< Comment #681 @ 08:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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shadowmaster155 - Reply to #609

Thats your opinion, If you dont like it just mute the video and listen to your own music

<< Comment #549 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

cYmoZz

imo its the players fault. they could have just used timeout themselves

<< Comment #600 @ 07:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #549

Admins need to be present regardless.

<< Comment #614 @ 07:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #549

didnt check the rules but i would assume that they are not allowed to timeout, otherwise it would have been stupid, yes

<< Comment #756 @ 08:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kaliberr44 - Reply to #614

actually carmac said that they should have - so we can assume they could do that

<< Comment #814 @ 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #756

yeah, saw the video, i stand corrected. dont understand why strenx does not have timeout binded but you cant blame it on the palyers i guess

<< Comment #550 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

Cooller won gold in all games ESL over.

<< Comment #551 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

omg drama

<< Comment #554 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Strenx \o/ !!!

<< Comment #555 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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son1dow

cooller brought down to the venue's secret basement (every building CIS countries has one) for interrogation, accused of controlling taube's hands with his mind so he could not pause, ESL censoring it all..

It's 9/11 all over again!

Edited by son1dow at 07:27 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #574 @ 07:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #555

..and then cooller went on to bring the power of the whole venue down, and esr too... Mindgames indeed!

<< Comment #556 @ 07:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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RonC

BEST LAG EVER!

<< Comment #557 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Spyyder

own3d crashed or what?

this is epic fail :<

<< Comment #558 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

what happened?

<< Comment #561 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Dynamix

Strenx give Cooller victory, get Rep, negotiate for a few more hundred prize money.

WINS ALL ROUND

<< Comment #562 @ 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

supersonicwaffle

tbh quake admins fucked up the whole IEM EU season anyway, this just fits in. sparta and calipt being screwed during the online group stages and now this.

esl admins make decision as if they came straight out of FIFA ref training for a world cup.

Edited by sk8erboi at 07:18 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #566 @ 07:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015

Taube cunt diaf

<< Comment #567 @ 07:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

fragv

RAGE: STREAMS DOWN

<< Comment #568 @ 07:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN

TAUBE JUST DODGED A CHAIR

<< Comment #569 @ 07:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #579 @ 07:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #569

Full power outage youd say the servers aswell

<< Comment #686 @ 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

iavoal

dont worry, its just some party at the machinery department.

Edited by Six16 at 08:03 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #709 @ 08:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #686

This image is giving me the creeps :(

<< Comment #1019 @ 09:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Something - Reply to #686

what lol?

<< Comment #571 @ 07:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

bsk

Haha, this is the most epic match ever, and only half due to the games themselves :)

<< Comment #572 @ 07:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe

thx for the retarded broken record music

go fuck yourself

<< Comment #573 @ 07:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Six16

And it's back. Power failure? Did strenx's friend do that? :)

<< Comment #777 @ 08:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #573

dandaking style

<< Comment #575 @ 07:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

r3sp

av3k vs cooller in final, i knew it! :p

<< Comment #576 @ 07:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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koji

what is the name of this german RnB RaP techno clash song????

<< Comment #580 @ 07:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Prematured all over the place :(

<< Comment #581 @ 07:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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madix

Hey, I can confirm that the power went out in the arena so the admins are currently discussing whether to give cooller the win or not

<< Comment #585 @ 07:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Magician - Reply to #581

give cooller the win when he is1 frag ahead with 30 seconds to go, while making a comeback in extremely dodgy conditions....

ok...

<< Comment #590 @ 07:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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madix - Reply to #585

strenx also had the RG right after he spawned and knowing strenx it
s very possible to defend the last yellow and then make a final push. But carmac said that it shouldnt be possible for strenx cuz cooller had timing on both yellows and that strenx cant defend the yellow without a rl. But yeh.. its gonna be a shitstorm no matter what :O)

<< Comment #592 @ 07:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Magician - Reply to #590

oh carmack is going to make the final decision, well no bias there then

rotfl

<< Comment #604 @ 07:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #592

carmac gave that decision to players once (avek and cooller), and people were talking shit afterwards anyway.

now they'll talk shit again.

people just talk shit.

<< Comment #644 @ 07:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #592

carmack is not carmac and the situation is so fucekd up that there is no good solution, just a least fucked up one... so whoever decides whatever, there will be whine

<< Comment #598 @ 07:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #590

there's no fair solution to this.

<< Comment #611 @ 07:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #590

They should replay the whole match it isn't neither's fault that there were lags. I feel sry for strenx if carmack decides in cooller's favour because strenx called the lags and we all know how strenx reacts to those things.
Yeah it does prolly influence both players but these aren't fair conditions and a shame for such a big event.

<< Comment #593 @ 07:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #585

yeah, with ~160 armor... a comeback would be very unlikely.

<< Comment #1181 @ 00:28 CST, 25 January 2011 >>

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madix - Reply to #593

I totally called it like a boss. madix 1 carmac 0 :O)

<< Comment #620 @ 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wata - Reply to #581

don't they have a set of rules, and one adressing this particular issue ?

<< Comment #582 @ 07:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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d1z '

I will just post it there one more time.

Edited by //.D1Z at 07:34 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #601 @ 07:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #582

not following you.

<< Comment #608 @ 07:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #601

Strenx called a timeout in a match where he was down due to 'lag'. Av3k could have easily killed him but for the sake of fairness av3k went through the teleporter expecting Strenx not to follow. Strenx followed, telefragged and won the match

<< Comment #622 @ 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #608

ye, good old times !

<< Comment #627 @ 07:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #608

i know that. i dont quite believe this is how it happens with `strenx's sneaky plan`. and i dont quite follow how it makes any sense here now :/

<< Comment #988 @ 09:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh - Reply to #608

strenx could have also easily killed him.
So goes both ways.

<< Comment #583 @ 07:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

zar4

So can anyone sum up briefly what happened? And why is Cooller in the final if he lost dismemberment?

<< Comment #669 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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koekie - Reply to #583

bo5
Cooller won hub and dm13
strenx won t7 and dismemberment

<< Comment #788 @ 08:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #669

cooller won HUB? :o

wish lvlup showed these so I could get vods >_<

<< Comment #587 @ 07:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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T1E

why didn't the players call timeout themselves?

btw:
C O O L L E R
O
O
L
L
E
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<< Comment #602 @ 07:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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crea* ' - Reply to #587

Is it re-implemented yet? Because some time ago timeout was only possible for admins.

<< Comment #623 @ 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #602

Pause can only be used by server host or those with assigned privileges. Timeout is not limited to admins only, players can use timeout on premium servers.

<< Comment #922 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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SyncError - Reply to #602

Timeout has always been available since it was introduced. Players get 3 timeouts each, admins have unlimited pause.

<< Comment #588 @ 07:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Best event ever.
Even better than quakecon dare I say.

From inadequate admins to power failure across Kiev, shitty streams for the first two days etc etc

Well done ESL/id/whoever is responsible for this.

/rant off

<< Comment #734 @ 08:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lorfa - Reply to #588

I thought they would rent an industrial UPS for such events. Unless lan QL must be connected to the net as well to function? It cannot wait even 1 minute?

<< Comment #1089 @ 10:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kalston - Reply to #734

No UPS for an event like this is so WTF

<< Comment #931 @ 09:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ado- - Reply to #588

White-Ra seems like such a nice guy :-D

<< Comment #589 @ 07:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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son1dow

meanwhile, listen to some shitty pop music

<< Comment #595 @ 07:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kalston - Reply to #589

there's nothing like shit music to cheer you up after such an amazing event

<< Comment #642 @ 07:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wata - Reply to #589

I don't get why they don't use instrumental music like techno instead of something with lyrics (moreover when that's retarded lyrics) ; at least we could put it as low background music, waiting for the anouncer to say what's up. here we have to mute it and hope we'll check the stream at the right time to not miss whatever will be done about the drama

<< Comment #655 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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son1dow - Reply to #642

I would agree but unfortunately this shitty music might be what the majority prefers :\

<< Comment #597 @ 07:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

regame i hear on russian stream
w8 no its stil not decided

Edited by Kerchu at 07:41 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #599 @ 07:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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fragv

a strenx vs cooller matchup with a 5th map needed at such a climax (before lags came in) was just too much for the entire power supply at the whole event. Hell even own3d.tv got owned by it.

<< Comment #603 @ 07:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

tyas

Isn´t it possible to play an event without any delays? Fuck, one of the best matches and then a fucking delay. Fuck! ;/

<< Comment #605 @ 07:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Ryan2015

TauBe should be assraped to oblivion

<< Comment #606 @ 07:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

TOIN COSS

<< Comment #631 @ 07:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Derb_ - Reply to #606

lmao always cracks me up

<< Comment #607 @ 07:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Sora

The map should be replay.

Strenx calls a pause, nothing.

Cooller calls a pause. Admins wait he frag.

Fairplay inside.

<< Comment #638 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #607

more like, strenx calls lag, kills cooller a few times.... cooller calls lag, kills strenx.... admins time the game out

nothing was unfair anywhere, just ESL beeing clueless.

<< Comment #701 @ 08:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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SigningOff - Reply to #638

bullshit

<< Comment #610 @ 07:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ArNoz

I think a rematch should be fair.

BTW intense semi =)

<< Comment #615 @ 07:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Nzr0 '

lags @ lan

why am I not surprised?

<< Comment #618 @ 07:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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d1z ' - Reply to #615

Welcome to QuakeLive.

<< Comment #770 @ 08:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kaliberr44 - Reply to #618

it were power spikes in server room. The game can be realy shit, but not it fault this time

<< Comment #804 @ 08:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nzr0 ' - Reply to #770

you're right

now I AM surprised

<< Comment #616 @ 07:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

OH MAN I LOVE TOP 40

<< Comment #617 @ 07:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

strenx wants regame from moment when he was up 5-3 before lags started , carmac coming in to decide

<< Comment #619 @ 07:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #617

does he want a coke, a sandwich, and a hooker also?

<< Comment #685 @ 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (212.59.20.242)

You fucking idiots or what? RUSSIAN ADMINS??? LOL , 1st its not Russia , 2nd its ESL admins who decide everything

<< Comment #708 @ 08:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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valvalis - Reply to #685

esl admins aka cooller's friend carmac...

<< Comment #621 @ 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z '

ESL's admins are French, so 95% it will be a restart of whole map.

P.S. o/ spartaz0rd.

Edited by //.D1Z at 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #690 @ 08:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #621

u kinda racist, u know? :)

<< Comment #624 @ 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr

Decide reproduce same situation on 09:32 with same hp and same weapons.

<< Comment #629 @ 07:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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yarrr - Reply to #624

Ok, White-Ra vs Demuslim next, QL after.

<< Comment #625 @ 07:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

fur*q

Strenx "i have best LG"

Cooller "but i control the power stations!!"

<< Comment #626 @ 07:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ashy

could anyone in kiev please ask Avek to give us his pov demos of the cypher match?

<< Comment #674 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

I like Cooller but this is too obvious, admins helped him because is russian star. Even Fazz said in interview that Cooller hit him during match. I wonder what Cooller did on "smoke brake".

Shame on him and the admins (btw thx also for not posting group replays and even the playoffs don't have both POV demos).

Finally BiG SHAME to all on "www.esreality.com" who are happy, defend and find excuses for Cooller .

<< Comment #679 @ 08:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #674

whaat? Cooller hit fazz during match ? explain! ^^

<< Comment #704 @ 08:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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aiken - Reply to #679

He hit him railgun shot.

<< Comment #793 @ 08:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Something - Reply to #679

It's in fazz's interview; when fazz was playing someone (not cooller), and was in the lead by one frag, he says that cooller was moving the computer next to him and accidentally bumped into his knee, which caused him to look away from monitor for a split second, which made him die.

Think thats what he's talking about. Accusing cooller of cheating/match fixing/causing power spikes on his smoke break is just fucking lol; nice troll :)

<< Comment #843 @ 08:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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orrrcccus - Reply to #793

I didn't heard "accidentally" .. watch it again - min 2:45.

<< Comment #705 @ 08:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #674

that's what i admire about those admins - they can induce power spikes to produce lags which would predictably favor one specific player - if i've ever seen THE FORCE at work this must be it

<< Comment #774 @ 08:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #674

Even Fazz said in interview that Cooller hit him during match.

'xcuse me?

<< Comment #819 @ 08:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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dallow - Reply to #774

knocked his leg accidentally, didnt hit him

<< Comment #825 @ 08:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #774

he BUMPED into him/leg hit or something like that when sitting down at the pc next to him

he didnt punch him :/

<< Comment #789 @ 08:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #674

are you stupid? fazz said that cooller accidentally hit him when he was setting up his pc, during fazz's game against cypher. best be trolling

<< Comment #1063 @ 10:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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orrrcccus - Reply to #789

My mistake. I watched again and u are right. Thought discussion jumped to Fazz vs Cooller. Again sry.

<< Comment #628 @ 07:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb

wow esl thats pathetic, a new low

<< Comment #630 @ 07:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

title -> NEXT SC2
fucking brilliant

<< Comment #671 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kmm

28 seconds will be replayed

<< Comment #632 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Thorin '

Video snippet of Strenx and the ESL admins discussing what to do about the power cut/replay situation.

Edited by Thorin at 07:53 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #676 @ 08:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wata - Reply to #632

too many cameras for carmac ? lol transparency

<< Comment #683 @ 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ReY - Reply to #632

kinda sounded like carmac was blaming strenx :p

<< Comment #693 @ 08:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #632

Carmac had a point: strenx could pause

<< Comment #720 @ 08:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Thorin ' - Reply to #693

Strenx should not be blamed for anything. It's on the admins to pause the game and monitor what is happening, it's only on the players to play.

<< Comment #727 @ 08:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

wrong person - Reply to #693

so as cooller. but i saw cooller only admiting there's some lags after when he lost all his heath and armor in some fight. not so well-braind by cooller neither.

also: u can understand why you wont pause if you're playing. cause of all this tention and stress on players.

Edited by amj at 08:20 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #934 @ 09:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #727

they should had binds. They are pro players.

<< Comment #696 @ 08:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #632

drama queen :) i love journalists

<< Comment #633 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Ryan2015

ESL is a fuckin JOKE

<< Comment #634 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

knobless

bullshit

<< Comment #635 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kaide

upcoming next: SC2!

<< Comment #636 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

aiken

Cooller had time to chat "pause" but not to do it himself. Admin was afk so do the fucking rematch.

<< Comment #657 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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daka - Reply to #636

so did strenx

<< Comment #703 @ 08:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

koekie - Reply to #636

strenx did the same.
Didn't really understand why they both didn't use timeout.

<< Comment #715 @ 08:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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aiken - Reply to #703

I guess they don't know how to do it because they are pro.

Edited by aiken at 08:15 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #711 @ 08:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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d1z ' - Reply to #636

Strenx was the first who started to whine about lags. And after all, Cooller is used to lags better than Strenx, so why should he call timeout if everything is looking fine for him?

<< Comment #637 @ 07:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

GrotesK

this is why 'cyber gaming' or this whole 'esport' thing is the biggest load of shit. its a horrible selfish and pathetic scene where they are miles away from professionalism / sportsmanship.

i can see why sponsors target the gaming market, but holy hell, how embarrassing to be attached to these horribly organised events.

<< Comment #758 @ 08:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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risen - Reply to #637

http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/313430-Discuss..._power_cut

Yeah pretty much agree with what you said there grotesk. Carmac is first explaining the decision to strenx, and then displays bias towards cooller and then finally notices the cameras, and asks to resume the discussion elsewhere. Fuck that, I want transparency, there is no substitute for being right there of course, but this esports scene needs a real shakeup because it's full of failure, whiny bitches, shit administration teams and unclear rules/regulations that can be bent at the whim of whomever wants to, for whatever reason.

And we're supposed to just deal with it. I think the problem is that gaming is not professional, it's just a bunch of geeks, and the last generation of geeks before them swinging dicks around trying to be the big man on campus.

I'm also going to regress and say that i'm glad for what little we've got at the moment, there's no two ways about it, it's great, but the gaming industry needs some serious regulation.

<< Comment #639 @ 07:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Ur1ch

Now Strenx will whine that is wasn't fair... It could be a regame... but 30 secs to the end+stack+position+1 frag advantage... too late for regame blame admins

<< Comment #640 @ 07:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

carmac: it was cooller's game.

....

<< Comment #641 @ 07:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kaide

COOLLER BEST PLAYER EVER

<< Comment #768 @ 08:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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veed - Reply to #641

i didn't know that NOT winning the tournaments makes him "the best"...i wasn't able to win a single event in 2010, am i the 'best player ever' too?

Edited by veed at 08:34 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #643 @ 07:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

tath

THE WORST solution ever

<< Comment #653 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #643

yeah, try your best to continue exactly from where they stopped, that's stupid.

<< Comment #646 @ 07:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #673 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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lewl - Reply to #646

well apparently they thought it would be safe enough to write "lags" and "pause" instead of just pressing one bind on keyboard. if they didn't timeout themselves, then they shouldn't complain about the decision. like carmac said, they could've paused the game.

<< Comment #680 @ 08:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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caesar_ - Reply to #646

someone bet on strenx :DD::D:D:D:D:

<< Comment #692 @ 08:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob - Reply to #680

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #700 @ 08:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

^AME- - Reply to #646

just bind it...

<< Comment #648 @ 07:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

fur*q

OMFG Carmac, WTF!!!!

<< Comment #649 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

cryptz

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

<< Comment #650 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

what did carmac say? missed it

<< Comment #651 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

WORST SOLUTION EVER.

Should of just replayed. Would of been fair for both.

<< Comment #658 @ 07:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

SigningOff - Reply to #651

the whole map?

<< Comment #663 @ 07:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16 - Reply to #658

Yep, the whole map.

<< Comment #689 @ 08:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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SigningOff - Reply to #663

Actually I agree with you there. The solution presented by esl is just a load of bull.

<< Comment #661 @ 07:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #651

Cooller said no, dont remember?

<< Comment #697 @ 08:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #661

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #652 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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vh

Decision:
they will try to recreate situation and just finish those 20 sec. But not now, they will start SCII now ((T)Demuslim vs (P)White-Ra)

_____
ed:- I'm not watching stream :>

Edited by vh at 07:57 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #654 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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fragv

"..." (c) strenx

<< Comment #656 @ 07:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

half day wasted

<< Comment #670 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Erudite

God I'm getting old, I drifted off before the games started haha. Can someone explain to me the current situation? Avek beat Cypher? Cooller and Strenx are having to play the last minute of their last match due to a power cut? What was the score and the stacks prior to the cut?

<< Comment #698 @ 08:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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bsk - Reply to #670

Cooller up by 1 with superior stack (don't remember hp/armour exactly). Lag started when Strenx was 5-3 up, I think.

<< Comment #659 @ 07:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Superb decision, let's wait a few hours for 20 seconds of the match.

ESL, you are my idols.

<< Comment #691 @ 08:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #659

this is not about the viewers

<< Comment #706 @ 08:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #691

no viewers, no tournament

<< Comment #716 @ 08:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #706

-.-
well sure but the decisions about the last 30s of a semi final are all about how to make the fairest decision, taking into account what decision is most entertaining would be bullshit...

<< Comment #724 @ 08:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #716

well i'd say they had 3 possible outcomes, and I'm not shocked that carmac ruled the one in favor of cooller :p

either way, bla-la! its done.

<< Comment #740 @ 08:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #724

the one in favor of cooler would be to simply award him the win.

Cause this is what the rules say, at least those most fitting for the actual situation.

Disconnects in the last 3 minutes of a map
Disconnects in the last three minutes of the map are depending on an admin decision. The admin can decide whether the remaining minutes/seconds are played after a restart of the map or if the score at the time of disconnect counts as final result.

And yeah, it's definately not a perfect rule, but apparantly it kept noone from participating in the tournament.

<< Comment #761 @ 08:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #740

but really, the problems didnt begin at the powercut, they did start where strenx had a 5-3(5-2?) lead and the lags began. so I'd say it was 3:30 remaining, atleast :o

yet theres no point in arguing over this, not like its gonna change anything, fu cooller :<

<< Comment #798 @ 08:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #761

of course the problems started earlier and as memento mori stated it is very unfortunate that noone paused then. But on the other hand, both players were then playing under the same bad conditions. How would it be fair to simply take away frags from cooller.

Honestly, I look at most of the comments in this thread and so far I can't see anyone who would have done a better job than the ESL admins. It's always easy to say, "oh that was stupid" and "I would have done so much better".
But seriously, half of the people don't even face that actual decision, but whine about the missing pause.
But that has happened, nothing can change that, deal with it.

And then there is the actual rulebook, that apparantly most people choose to ignore whenever it's convenient.

If someone has a problem with the rules, he should address it before a season starts, not at the moment a rule needs to be used.

So yeah, the situation sucks ass, but putting myself in carmac's position, I predict that every single call he could make would start a shitstorm.

But that's his job as the guy in charge, step up and make the tough decisions. He did, it's decided.
Let's get over it and enjoy the final.

<< Comment #923 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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blau - Reply to #798

> I can't see anyone who would have done
> a better job than the ESL admins

I would expect the admins to be present on the server and actually watch and being able to react.

/blau

<< Comment #935 @ 09:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Magician - Reply to #923

well they reacted,... after cooller had enough of a advantage

<< Comment #994 @ 09:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #923

you somehow forgot to read my first paragraph.

I already said that it is very unfortunate. But unless you are on the internet, most people do know that mistakes happen. Maybe someone asked that admin something during that match or he had something more important to take care of. Maybe he just had to take a leak.

Stuff like that happens.

It's how you deal with it that matters the most.

<< Comment #1039 @ 10:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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blau - Reply to #994

> you somehow forgot to read my first paragraph.

no, I didn't. I just silently agreed.

/blau

<< Comment #899 @ 09:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Magician - Reply to #798

Recreating a match like that for the final 30 seconds is so meaningless, why bother really.

Just hand cooller the win then, instead of this attempt to look "unbiased".

<< Comment #957 @ 09:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #899

well, I can agree with that.

But look at it this way:

The rules give them two possible decisions, both favor cooller one more than the other. Now look at the rage they caused and attacks they got by choosing the one that gives strenx at least a very minor chance to turn it around.

I'd say the damage to ESL would be even bigger if they had directly given the win to cooller.

<< Comment #858 @ 08:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Khorney - Reply to #761

Cooller said that 2 of the frags strenx got was when there was lag.

<< Comment #717 @ 08:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #659

i don't understand why 20 or 30 seconds? lags started at 6th minute. if they recreating, they should recreate that moment. not last 20 seconds.

god this is lame decision.

<< Comment #668 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nitrogen

omg teh drama!

<< Comment #660 @ 07:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wow, thats going to take a while to sort all of that out.....

<< Comment #664 @ 07:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Cooller's gonna win I guess, but whatever happens Strenx is cooler than Cooller :).

Too bad if he loses though because he'll probably lose to Cypher too and then he won't be in the top 3.

Go Avek in the finals !

<< Comment #665 @ 07:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

so whats gonna happen?

<< Comment #666 @ 07:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ur1ch

After all Cooller shouldn't go to smoke it would be 3-0 already. Info 100% true

<< Comment #672 @ 07:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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fuck this shit

<< Comment #678 @ 08:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wonder how this affects the finals, and the player making it through to it

<< Comment #682 @ 08:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ahahha what if admin wouldnt pause the game, or if he paused it 5sec before end? they should recreate it from when lag started

FUCKIN IDIOTS

Edited by annihiluzz at 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #684 @ 08:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Edited by madbringer at 08:03 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #695 @ 08:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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GENTLEMEN, let's take this discussion somewhere else, we've got too many cameras

<< Comment #699 @ 08:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Vium

no homo

<< Comment #702 @ 08:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hoechst - Reply to #699

i don't like those casters. i don't like rotterdam.

<< Comment #809 @ 08:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Vium - Reply to #702

I concur. Rotterdam mostly talks about his bromance/assventures with demuslim. How about focusing on the game dammit!

<< Comment #707 @ 08:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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worst decision ever :<
when will humans learn that they can't play like gods with a computer games :>

<< Comment #714 @ 08:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #707

O_O

<< Comment #755 @ 08:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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nawak

5th map rematch is WRONG solution, cause BOTH players had a laggs.

<< Comment #713 @ 08:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hoechst

why is esl still streaming in 4:3? or is the premium stream 16:9?
i'm used to quake looking like shit, but that's the crappiest sc2 stream i've ever seen.

<< Comment #792 @ 08:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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cYmoZz - Reply to #713

premium is 4:3 and same quality as free stream ...

though im pretty sure they streamed sc2 in 16:9 the other day

Edited by cYmoZz at 08:39 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #712 @ 08:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Gravgon

Carmac looked sooooo sad that his best buddy Cooller now has a guaranteed spot in the final against his other best buddy Avek.

All this backed up by a so called "fair" ruling.

The guy trully deserves an oscar for his performance on the stream. Almost got me crying there.

<< Comment #721 @ 08:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #712

or he was honestly sad about the fucked up situation that he could not avoid and tried to make a fair decision, knowing that there is no good way to decide it... but that seems really far fetched... not

<< Comment #726 @ 08:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh - Reply to #721

fair decision that favored one of the players?
Ye thats what they call fair...

<< Comment #732 @ 08:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #726

ok tell decision that woudnt favour any player

<< Comment #746 @ 08:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #732

Replaying the whole map.

<< Comment #749 @ 08:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #746

that woudnt be fair to cooller coz he made combeack with lags , and almost had that game , when both players where it same position ,
its realy dificult situation here

Edited by Kerchu at 08:30 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #779 @ 08:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #749

The players should not be put in the situation of having to play with lag. I'm not advocating the solution where you back to strenx having the 5-3 lead, which would nullify what Cooller managed to do under the lag, I'm advocating replaying the map, which is by FAR as fair a solution as possible.

<< Comment #805 @ 08:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #779

there are rules for disconnects during matches and they were followed to the letter.

Edited by becks at 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #834 @ 08:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #805

Except this isn't a simple case of disconnect at all?

Edited by Naghokez at 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #859 @ 08:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #834

Except, as far I could tell they were disconnected from the server during the pause.

and it says:

These are the rules that handles the cases of disconnects, and what to do in any stage of the match when they occur

<< Comment #909 @ 09:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #859

The lagging issue shouldn't be ignored in the ruling.

<< Comment #937 @ 09:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #909

Hell yes it should.

Lagging alone is never cause for a restart that late in a match. Never. And if ESL had made that ruling they would have created the precedent for thousands of shitstorms to come.

Cause from then on players who lag for a few second would always demand a rematch. An admin's and nightmare and unwatchable for the specators.

So yeah, the lag doesn't and shouldn't count.

<< Comment #1093 @ 10:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #937

Basically you're not even saying that in this situation it wouldn't be the best decision to restart because of the lag, you're saying that they shouldn't make that decision because then they'd have to restart each time someone lags.
My answer is: no they wouldn't, it's up to the admins' discretion. Your "lag for one second = restart" example is nonsensical because it can't be compared to what happened here, i.e. an admin failing to pause for several minutes when both players complained about lag and declared it was affecting their game (cooller said the lag initially helped strenx).

Edited by Naghokez at 11:00 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1108 @ 11:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1093

no they wouldn't, it's up to the admins' discretion.

as if.

It was up to the admin's discretion this time. Can you honestly say the people calmly accepted the admin's decision?

What most people here seem to fail to realize is that, regarding the game rules, we have to independent events:

1. lag
2. serber disconnect due to a power failure.

For the first the general ruling is to pause, wait for the lag to go away and continue playing. Unfortunately the admin did it way too late, but the players didn't pause either.

The second event is the disconnect, which was handled according to the rules.

And that's everything that happened, sure it is not an adequate ending for a great semi final, but throwing out the rules just because the fans can't look at two events independently is not the correct deciison either.

<< Comment #1122 @ 11:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #1108

... you are right actually. :|

<< Comment #1123 @ 11:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1122

sry :|

<< Comment #1125 @ 11:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #1123

:) pretty sad semi-final tho.

only becouse it wasn't stopped when it began to lag.

<< Comment #1127 @ 12:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1125

so true, and probably made even worse when they did the pause after all.

<< Comment #1133 @ 12:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1108

Can you honestly say the people calmly accepted the admin's decision?

That is completely irrelevant. The point is that admins are free to decide whether or not to replay the map. They would not be bound by their previous and particular to this match decision, if a one-second lag manifested itself at one point in another match, like you argued.

For the first the general ruling is to pause, wait for the lag to go away and continue playing. Unfortunately the admin did it way too late, but the players didn't pause either.

Again, the players not pausing is irrelevant. The admin is at fault, and the lag affected the players' games for several minutes.

<< Comment #1136 @ 12:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1133

That is completely irrelevant. The point is that admins are free to decide whether or not to replay the map

Well, the admins decided that the map won't be replayed.
If you honestly mean they are free to decide you need to stop criticizing them for that very decison.

<< Comment #1141 @ 13:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1136

If you honestly mean they are free to decide you need to stop criticizing them for that very decison.

Your two propositions are not logically connected. Being free to decide does not exclude possible criticism of the decision taken.

<< Comment #1144 @ 13:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1141

what does 'free' mean, then?

<< Comment #1145 @ 13:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1144

They are not bound by their previous decisions.

<< Comment #1146 @ 13:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1145

oh god, imo that would be the worst possible outcome of this whole thing.

Whenever there is a lag an admin may or may not call a replay. So, players can't know if pausing by themselves will put them at an advantage or not, because they will have to wait for an admin to make a call.

On top of that it leaves lots of room for biased rulings or just accusations for biased rulings. You know, like the one you made, calling carmac biased towards cooller.

If I were an admin, I would certainly quit after such rules are instated.

<< Comment #1160 @ 15:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1146

You initially argued that it would be a bad idea to replay because of the lag since the admins would then be bound by that decision was lag to happen in other matches.
Then I said that they would not, and now you're arguing that it would be a bad idea if they were not bound by that decision in other matches. Make up your mind? :)
You're forgetting the fact that the admin is at fault for not pausing. You keep trying to reduce the situation to lag happening. This is NOT an accurate description of the situation. The entire problem comes from an admin allowing the lag to affect the game for several minutes.

<< Comment #1161 @ 15:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1160

You initially argued that it would be a bad idea to replay because of the lag since the admins would then be bound by that decision was lag to happen in other matches.
Then I said that they would not, and now you're arguing that it would be a bad idea if they were not bound by that decision in other matches. Make up your mind? :)

I had already made up my mind. I simply could not believe that anyone would want to introduce a rule that actually doesn't fix anything but makes it unpredictable for the players. And if you want players to be able to actually rely on rules, effectively giving a replay for lag will set one very bad precedent.
That was my point all along.

You on the other attacked an admin for being biased and then what to give them a rule which gives them more opportunities to act biased ...

You're forgetting the fact that the admin is at fault for not pausing. You keep trying to reduce the situation to lag happening. This is NOT an accurate description of the situation. The entire problem comes from an admin allowing the lag to affect the game for several minutes.

No, I am not, in fact I adressed it several times. The fact of the matter is, if there had just been lag, they would have continued to play the last 27 seconds. The ruling for that had already been made before the power failure (see screenshots). Thus, there clearly are two independent issues which demand independent rulings.
And that is what happens, according to the rules.

Again, that the admin makes a mistake (or is afk) is unfortunate, but the players could have paused themselves if they really wanted.

ok, I said what I had to say.

That is what has been done

<< Comment #1168 @ 17:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1161

I had already made up my mind. I simply could not believe that anyone would want to introduce a rule that actually doesn't fix anything but makes it unpredictable for the players. And if you want players to be able to actually rely on rules, effectively giving a replay for lag will set one very bad precedent.
That was my point all along.

Nowhere did I say anything about introducing a rule. I already addressed this several times by saying the admins would not be bound in the future by their decision here. It is NOT a case of "replay for lag" because (and I'll just c/p what I wrote) "This is NOT an accurate description of the situation. The entire problem comes from an admin allowing the lag to affect the game for several minutes". Stop reducing the problem to a mere general "lag happening".

You on the other attacked an admin for being biased and then what to give them a rule which gives them more opportunities to act biased ...

I'm not "giving them a rule". The admins had to take a decision to address a situation not mentioned in the rulebook, which is an admin failing to address a lag affecting the players who were therefore not playing in normal lan conditions. You are again trying to take the admin not doing his job out of the equation as if I was proposing a replay as soon as lag happens.

No, I am not, in fact I adressed it several times. The fact of the matter is, if there had just been lag, they would have continued to play the last 27 seconds. The ruling for that had already been made before the power failure (see screenshots). Thus, there clearly are two independent issues which demand independent rulings.

No you did not address it several times, and you're in fact still not addressing it here. I was not talking about the power failure issue, I was talking about the admin failing to pause issue.

The bottomline is that the rulebook does not say what should be done when an admin fails to do his job to react to a situation affecting the conditions in which the players are competing. The admins have to make a decision, whether they choose to ignore the problem (like they did here to only focus on the power failure) or not. I say it was the wrong call to completely ignore the admin not doing anything about the lag issue, and nothing in this implies that there should be an automatic replay whenever lag happens like you're trying to reduce my position to.

Edited by Naghokez at 18:55 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1170 @ 03:10 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1168

Nowhere did I say anything about introducing a rule

And nowhere did I say that you said that ;)
I say that I could not believe that anyone would want that, meaning I assumed you didn't want that either. And I wrote that statement after I realized that you in fact want there to be exceptions that leave the players in the dark. And giving the admins grounds to be biased.

"This is NOT an accurate description of the situation. The entire problem comes from an admin allowing the lag to affect the game for several minutes". Stop reducing the problem to a mere general "lag happening".

Yes, I read that the first time. Saying it twice does not make it true though.
Until the pause that is exactly what happened. There was lag and players kept on playing until an admin paused too late.
Then the admin made his call to keep playing those last seconds. The situation had been dealt with, and admin made his call. Done, finito.
And only after that the power went down completely, which is the second situation and therefore demands a separate decision. Which is exactly what happened.
You obviously are convinced that those two situations are somehow connected and should be ruled as one, but that facts simply do not back you up on that.

[]qNo you did not address it several times, and you're in fact still not addressing it here. I was not talking about the power failure issue, I was talking about the admin failing to pause issue.[/q]
Wel that is your opinion.
Again the facts are that I said several times, that it was an unfortunate mistake by the admin. Nothing more and nothing less. It's bad that mistakes happens, but that doesn't solve anything.
How you see that as enough reason to effectively punish one player (cooller) for the admin's mistake is beyond me.
If anyone should be punished it's the admin, which in this case is impossible.

tl;dr:

The admin made his call during the pause after the lag and before the power failure. On the one hand, you say that you want admin to be 'free' to make their call and on the other hand you decline to accept that very call.
If someone needs to make up his mind it's you.

<< Comment #1171 @ 03:49 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1170

"Nowhere did I say anything about introducing a rule"

And nowhere did I say that you said that ;)

Since you wrote "You [...] what [want] to give them a rule which gives them more opportunities to act biased ...", I'm pretty sure you said exactly that :)

you in fact want there to be exceptions that leave the players in the dark. And giving the admins grounds to be biased.

No, I don't. I'm going to repeat what I said in my last paragraph in the previous post: the admins had to take a decision in reaction to something not in the rulebook happening - an admin failing to do his job by not immediatly addressing a lag affecting the players, who therefore were not able to compete in normal lan conditions for several minutes. This is NOT in the rulebook, so REGARDLESS of which decision they take, whether they decide to keep on playing normally or to replay the map, the admins have to take a decision when faced with such a situation. I'm arguing that the decision should have been to replay the map in this particular case. It's not "giving admins ground to be biased" because they have to take a decision anyway, and deciding to keep on playing normally is just as much of an admin decision as deciding to replay the map. Nowhere am I introducing more admin bias by arguing in favor of one of the options the admins had.

Yes, I read that the first time. Saying it twice does not make it true though.
Until the pause that is exactly what happened. There was lag and players kept on playing until an admin paused too late.
Then the admin made his call to keep playing those last seconds. The situation had been dealt with, and admin made his call. Done, finito.
And only after that the power went down completely, which is the second situation and therefore demands a separate decision. Which is exactly what happened.
You obviously are convinced that those two situations are somehow connected and should be ruled as one, but that facts simply do not back you up on that.

No, you are still getting it wrong, so apparently I need to keep repeating myself :) I am disputing the decision to ignore that an admin failed to do his job by not immediatly addressing a lag affecting the players, who therefore were not able to compete in normal lan conditions for several minutes. Again, I AM NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE POWER FAILURE. I am contesting the decision that was taken before the power failure. The power failure did contribute to making a replay of the map the much more obvious solution.

How you see that as enough reason to effectively punish one player (cooller) for the admin's mistake is beyond me.
If anyone should be punished it's the admin, which in this case is impossible.

It's not a case of "punishing" a player, it's addressing a problem which prevented both players from competing in normal conditions. If Cooller had been prevented from making a comeback as a result of that situation, I would have been in favor of replaying the map too. What happened during the lag is irrelevant.

On the one hand, you say that you want admin to be 'free' to make their call and on the other hand you decline to accept that very call.
If someone needs to make up his mind it's you.

No I don't, I've been very clear on my position and for some reason you seem unable to grasp that an admin being free to decide has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not his decision can be criticized. I am not saying the admins didn't have the right to decide not to replay the map, I'm saying I consider it to be the wrong decision.

<< Comment #1172 @ 04:12 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1171

I am disputing the decision to ignore that an admin failed to do his job by not immediatly addressing a lag affecting the players, who therefore were not able to compete in normal lan conditions for several minutes

It doesn't even say anywhere that an admin has that job. Even though I agree that it should be, it doesn't.
So that game continued in unnormal conditions, the players are supposed to be proffessionals, so they have to deal with it. It's called force majeure.
If during a football game you get heavy rain, the field becomes unplayable and the ref waits for five minutes before calling a pause, noone in their right mind would demand a rematch even if a goal was scored in those last five minutes. It's the admins call he made it. Period.

No I don't, I've been very clear on my position and for some reason you seem unable to grasp that an admin being free to decide has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not his decision can be criticized.

And I don't say you can't criticize them.
But you can't criticize them for doing exactly what you propose. (And attacking them personally is never acceptable.)

They make a 'free' call. You disagree with that and your solution is that admins should be able to make
'free' calls.

Which will always cause shitstorms and personal attacks, just like yours.
Yeah, that's a great solution and should really ensure that we have lots of volunteering admins in the future.

am not saying the admins didn't have the right to decide not to replay the map, I'm saying I consider it to be the wrong decision.

Uhm the fact in this matter is: The admins did not have the right to replay the whole map. They would have broken the rules of their own tournament.

AND that is exactly the precedent I am talking about, where you apprantly do not see the implication.

Cause from then on all those internet heroes would just call for an admin's decision to replay a map if they played with 5 seconds of lag or maybe 10 or a minute. Cause face it, lag will happen again and again.

If you honestly think your 'solution', which apparantly is just making a precedent without even setting an exact rule, will somehow help run tournaments better or more smoothly you are very much mistaken.

<< Comment #1173 @ 10:41 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1172

It doesn't even say anywhere that an admin has that job. Even though I agree that it should be, it doesn't.

It is obviously the admin's job. This is based on years and years of past practice, and the ESL admitted so (even though it was argued that the players could also have paused themselves).

So that game continued in unnormal conditions, the players are supposed to be proffessionals, so they have to deal with it. It's called force majeure. If during a football game you get heavy rain, the field becomes unplayable and the ref waits for five minutes before calling a pause, noone in their right mind would demand a rematch even if a goal was scored in those last five minutes. It's the admins call he made it. Period.

No, you're calling it a force majeure and your analogy is completely flawed since rain is considered a "normal" element that can come into play for outside football. I can come up with dozens of sports analogies to support my argument, but sports analogies are not useful when debating the specifics of esports.

But you can't criticize them for doing exactly what you propose. They make a 'free' call. You disagree with that and your solution is that admins should be able to make 'free' calls.

I'm not criticizing them for exercizing their right to decide. I'm criticizing them for choosing what is in my opinion the wrong option. Have I not been sufficiently clear here?... Read the paragraph in my previous post again if you do not see the difference between the two. I'm not saying they shouldn't make free calls, they had to since the situation was not in the rulebook. I'm saying the free call they made was the bad one.

Which will always cause shitstorms and personal attacks, just like yours. Yeah, that's a great solution and should really ensure that we have lots of volunteering admins in the future.

Where did I make a personal attack regarding the decision? The only comment I made directed at a person in particular was the one about Carmac talking to strenx with a tone that is according to me inappropriate, and this has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
Your last sentence shows that you still don't understand that the admins HAD to make a free call since the situation was not in the rulebook. This is perfectly normal and it has NOTHING to do with what I'm arguing.

Uhm the fact in this matter is: The admins did not have the right to replay the whole map. They would have broken the rules of their own tournament.

False on both accounts. They had the right to replay the whole map, and they would not have broken any rule by deciding so. Like I said, the problem I am discussing is not addressed in the rulebook, so there was no rule to be broken. The said rulebook also mentions in its foreword "It should be remembered that it is always the administration of the tournament that has the last word, and that decisions that are not specifically supported, or detailed in this rulebook, or even goes against this rulebook may be taken in extreme cases, to preserve fair play and sportsmanship". QED.

Cause from then on all those internet heroes would just call for an admin's decision to replay a map if they played with 5 seconds of lag or maybe 10 or a minute. Cause face it, lag will happen again and again.

I have already addressed this and explained that you had to stop reducing this problem to "lag happening". Again: stop.

If you honestly think your 'solution', which apparantly is just making a precedent without even setting an exact rule, will somehow help run tournaments better or more smoothly you are very much mistaken.

Since you apparently did not understand it the first time, read this again:

"The admins had to take a decision in reaction to something not in the rulebook happening - an admin failing to do his job by not immediatly addressing a lag affecting the players, who therefore were not able to compete in normal lan conditions for several minutes. This is NOT in the rulebook, so REGARDLESS of which decision they take, whether they decide to keep on playing normally or to replay the map, the admins have to take a decision when faced with such a situation. I'm arguing that the decision should have been to replay the map in this particular case. It's not "giving admins ground to be biased" because they have to take a decision anyway, and deciding to keep on playing normally is just as much of an admin decision as deciding to replay the map. Nowhere am I introducing more admin bias by arguing in favor of one of the options the admins had."

Edited by Naghokez at 10:47 CST, 24 January 2011

<< Comment #1174 @ 10:48 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1173

It's pretty obvious how biased Carmac is here, this really is pathetic.

What is this if not a personal attack?

Anyway, we seem to be going in circles, because I have the feeling you don't understand what I am saying and you apparantly have the same feeling about me.
So let's just stop.

<< Comment #1175 @ 11:05 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1174

True. I think I posted that after seeing Thorin's video. You can stop if you want but I understand perfectly what you said and addressed it :p

<< Comment #1176 @ 11:14 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1175

And that is the point, you are usually quite calm and hardly use insults. So, if even you do that it imo becomes a situation that needs very clear rules instead of freedom of choice for the admin, which will only lead to him being flamed by either half of the fans.

Also, in that case I completely understood what you said and your replies to me, just you didn't understand my point therefore your replies where addressing something else and not helping the discussion ;)

<< Comment #1177 @ 11:25 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1176

it imo becomes a situation that needs very clear rules instead of freedom of choice for the admin, which will only lead to him being flamed by either half of the fans.

The only way we'll get to clear rules for this particular case is if they write in the rulebook what should happen should an admin fail to pause the game for several minutes when a lag is severely influencing the respective games of the players (both strenx and cooller said the other got frags thanks to the lag).
If there is nothing in the rulebook to address this, like is currently the case, the admins have to make a decision that is not in the rulebook. In this case we mentioned two options:

Decision A: ignore the problem
Decision B: replay the map

They chose A instead of B. I'm not blaming them for choosing, because they HAD to choose one or the other since the rulebook didn't say anything about the situation. I'm simply blaming them for chosing A instead of B. You've been trying to argue for several posts that my position brings free choice into the equation, but free choice is already there, and it will be there whenever admins are faced with a situation that is not in the rulebook (and sometimes even when it is in the rulebook).

Edited by Naghokez at 11:25 CST, 24 January 2011

<< Comment #1178 @ 11:46 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1177

Yes, I of course agree that we need a written rule for lag, but you are ignoring that for ages the standard procedure of dealing with lag has always been the same: pause and continue playing when the lag is gone.

It is the very nature of lag that you cannot pause before it happens and therefore one player may get an advantage through it, even if it just happens for two seconds.
I have no memory of an admin forcing to replay the map because of lag.
So, a very clear precendent exists: Lags don't get replayed.

What you are asking is to break that precedent, merely on the basis that the lag lasted longer than usual

Now keep in mind that quite often lag only affects one players, which might put him at a disadvantage. Still the map does not get replayed.
In this case, both players had lag and both had the disadvantage. And both players were able to score frags.

Again, your only basis for saying replaying is better is the length of the unpaused lag, however then we get this:

a)One player lags for three seconds and gets fragged because of the disadvantage, then the games is paused. Since the lag was only short the map doesn't get replayed.
b) Two players both lag but no pause is called. On player handles the lag a little better and gets an advantage for his "lag play skill". Then the admin forces the map to be replayed.

In my opinion that the player in b) deserves his advantage more than the player in a).
What about you?

<< Comment #1179 @ 14:25 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1178

It's on the basis that the lag lasted a long time, that the players complained about it, that it affected both of their games and that the admin failed to stop the match. I'm not trying to elaborate a general rule for lag. I have been presenting this as a discrete decision since the beginning.

<< Comment #1180 @ 14:49 CST, 24 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1179

Yes, you have presented it as such.

The problem is that that won't solve a thing regarding future situation. And that is what I have been writing about.
How to find a general rule that gives the fairest call while not fucking up official games through demands to replay a map ecause of lag and not causing shitstorms and calling admins biased.

<< Comment #1182 @ 10:14 CST, 25 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1180

Yeah, my focus was not on future situations, only this one since I found it extremely particular (the lag going on for such a long time without the admin pausing). btw I re-read by previous posts and I'm sorry if my tone was a bit acerb, I've had a rough week-end and Monday :<

<< Comment #1183 @ 10:26 CST, 25 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1182

np.

That's why I like an ESR-sized community, you can get a basic impression of what a person is normally like ;)

<< Comment #750 @ 08:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #746

but cooller was in the lead and in control so he would have won the map. How is it fair to take away an advantage from him?

<< Comment #838 @ 08:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #750

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #870 @ 09:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #838

since when are maps restarted because of lag?

Should that be a new rule then? A player lags and the map gets replayed.
Maybe that should be in tdm as well. One player gets 999 for 1 second -> restart.

Do people ever think about what kind of precedent their "favorite" ruling would set?

<< Comment #939 @ 09:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #870

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1005 @ 09:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #939

so now one player (cooller) should be punished for an admins mistake to pause, so another player (strenx) does not get punished for an admin's mistake to pause. Disregarding that both players could have called a timeout, had they really wanted to.

Yes, you are clearly the unbiased one here ...

<< Comment #1009 @ 09:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #1005

.

Edited by Bob at 14:36 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1014 @ 09:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1009

but why should they restart at 7 minutes?

You already agreed that lags should not be the reason for a restart ...

<< Comment #1088 @ 10:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #1014

.

Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1112 @ 11:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1088

yes, they complained about "lag", and didn't pause themselves which, too, could have prevented this mess.

Now stop mixing the two decisions and tell me, do you think lag is reason enough for a restart, yes or no?

And only then can you look at the second decision: what to do after a disconnect with 28 seconds left in the game.

<< Comment #1118 @ 11:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #1112

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Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1120 @ 11:42 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1118

playing with lag for 2.5 mins because the cup admin fucked off somewhere is reason to restart

it's not like they didn't have the power to pause themselves. So no, it is not enough reason to restart.

<< Comment #1124 @ 11:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #1120

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Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1128 @ 12:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1124

I ignored it, because pausing disabled is speculation and also very unlikely because carmac explizitly asked strenx why he didn't pause.
Also that the players 'forgot' to call timeout doesn't change a thing.
It's a mistake or oversight, call it what you want, but it happened and that's it.

<< Comment #767 @ 08:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ur1ch - Reply to #726

one player was leading... what unfair here??

<< Comment #879 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh - Reply to #767

ye strenx was leading before lags so we should recreate situation before the lags started.
Its quake live not quake lag.

<< Comment #857 @ 08:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #721

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Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #890 @ 09:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #857

yes ;)
nah, i dont know man, but i believe that what he did was what he thought fairest

Edited by Nukm at 09:11 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #893 @ 09:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Gravgon - Reply to #721

He should be sad for taking such a laughable decision. It's the worst thing he could have thought of.

Not only does he give a 100% sure victory to Cooller even though the lag started when strenx had control. But he also makes sure that strenx cannot argue about it because of those replayed 27 seconds that make the game "legit".

Carmac knows Quake enough to know that there's absolutely no chance for strenx to win the match in 27 seconds given the circumstances. It's an insult to the player's intelligence imo.

He said both players are at loss in this situation but that's not true. Cooller has now at least 2000$ more in his pocket.

<< Comment #897 @ 09:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Nukm - Reply to #893

your view on this is so one sided it hurts

Edited by Nukm at 09:12 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #942 @ 09:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Gravgon - Reply to #897

Yeah it's on the side of common sense instead of cooller fanboyism.

Sorry if it hurts...

<< Comment #748 @ 08:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #712

you and r1ddler would be best friends with all that conspiracy crap going on in your heads

<< Comment #881 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (93.189.2.218) - Reply to #748

Together with Jonesy and esdf

<< Comment #992 @ 09:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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r1ddler - Reply to #748

the french government started declassifying top secret ufo files in 2007, the disclosure is near, buckle up everybody \o/

<< Comment #718 @ 08:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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skint

whats the point in having officials on the server?

<< Comment #722 @ 08:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24

Let’s get serious about this, because the decision to recreate at the point the game paused is just unreal! If you were going to recreate something, then at least go back as close as possible to when the lag started. Why are they even trying to recreate anything, when you can just replay the freaking match again?
Rather or not you like strenx (I’m a fan of both guys), it wouldn’t be fair to strenx, cooller or the many people who were actually watching the match to try and recreate something that is false in itself.
The situation you’re trying to recreate was created because of lag, so starting back at that point makes no sense whatsoever!

Please do the right thing and replay the match, only fair way to settle this. If you’re saying that lag is a cause to replay something in the match, then you would have to go back to when the lag affected both players. If I’m not mistaken, strenx had a 3 point lead at that point. So just replay the match, later!

<< Comment #742 @ 08:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #722

Exactly.

<< Comment #754 @ 08:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #722

the point has been made that players could have paused themselves when lags started, but they kept playing. so the restart point obviously is when the game was taken out of their hands, i.e. when an admin intervened

<< Comment #769 @ 08:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24 - Reply to #754

You don't leave it up to the players to pause the game when the server is laggy, that is what the admin is for. So since he failed at his job, the only fair way to handle this is to replay the whole match.

<< Comment #753 @ 08:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Just watch this :

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/31938-fazz_d...self_a_pro

After 2 min Fazz says about Cooller ....

<< Comment #821 @ 08:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #753

i understand "cooller moved his computer, hit my leg, ..." but I don't really know what this is supposed to mean :D

<< Comment #925 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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orrrcccus - Reply to #821

Ure smile says it all .. coward :(.

<< Comment #1102 @ 11:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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orrrcccus - Reply to #925

It was my mistake, sry . The discussion jumped to Cooller but I didn't realized that was still about Fazz vs Cypher and not Fazz vs Cooller. I watched again to be sure but I didn't tried to troll just wasn't paying enough attention.

<< Comment #848 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Xen_Crypt - Reply to #821

maybe he likes fazz :o

calpit story style

Edited by Xen_Crypt at 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #852 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #821

ah, nvm. Cooller accidentally bumped into fazz when fazz was playing Cypher.

<< Comment #725 @ 08:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ted

for shame.

<< Comment #728 @ 08:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh

ESL is just a big fail.
Matches consistently getting delayed
Like 2 - 3 pauses in between matches WTF
4 day tournament is fail with like 1 - 2 matches...some days
Admins sleeping while matches are going
They don't pay the cash they promise
"Fair" decisions that favor "long time friends"
etc

Edited by rareh at 08:22 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #729 @ 08:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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^AME-

so, how long does this sc2 match take approx.?

<< Comment #752 @ 08:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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BasedSwag - Reply to #729

It depends a lot, I think it's a bo5 so probably at least 40 mins more.

<< Comment #799 @ 08:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #752

its like fastest way possible but next semis is TvT so there 1map can be 40 mins ;)

<< Comment #736 @ 08:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #729

think both semis will be like 3-4 hours for sure

Edited by Kerchu at 08:24 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #730 @ 08:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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I think that after the admin failed at pausing the game when the lag started, there was no real good solution. Replaying half a minute is as good as any other solution: it's bad but there is no alternative.

Good to see Carmac on stream to clarify things out. If this was quakecon, we wouldn't have got any official word. He did the good thing putting his face to face the shitstorm, although it's one admin who really screwed up in the first place.

Edited by Memento_Mori at 08:34 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #738 @ 08:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #730

I cant find any stream but sc2, which one are you on?

<< Comment #739 @ 08:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #730

There is an alternative, and a very simple one at that: replaying the whole map.

<< Comment #743 @ 08:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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funnyb - Reply to #730

though he only put his face on screen to disclaim all responsibility for ESL for what happened, blaming the players for not pausing themselves. :p

<< Comment #747 @ 08:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #730

I agree with most of this, but blaming it fully on the admin as well when players could have just timeout'ed themselves isn't the thing to do imo. Yes he was at fault, but players were as well (and cmon it doesn't take that long to write /timeout...)

<< Comment #764 @ 08:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #747

I did not check the most recent rules, but my impression was that both players were scared of calling the timeout. Knowing that they could have without any risk of penalization makes what happened quite weird.

<< Comment #822 @ 08:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Something - Reply to #747

seems to me that they thought they couldnt; as both of them typed "lags", and cooller even typed "pause" afterwards; plenty of time to type timeout.

I think they would have called timeout if they could have? If not, I don't understand :(

<< Comment #887 @ 09:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #822

we need cooller or strenx to explain this.

<< Comment #898 @ 09:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Something - Reply to #887

Agreed. Hope they do in an interview later on :)

This is going down in quake history books for sure!

<< Comment #1101 @ 11:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (91.20.49.100) - Reply to #747

Gamers should just have 1 thing to think about: gaming. This is professionalism. Next one you will say rugby players must call the time outs? Boxer must put his guard down and say "Ting Ting end of round" ? These admins should be called referees and it should be there job to make fast decisions. Pausing a game is not such a heavy decision to make, is it?

<< Comment #757 @ 08:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24 - Reply to #730

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Replaying half a freaking minute is a joke! That you could actually type that is a joke!

<< Comment #772 @ 08:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #757

You are right, it sounds like a joke, but Carmac said they did stick to the rules. Seeing how ridiculous this situation is, I hope they will consider to improve them for the next tournaments. But right now, I think this is as bad as any other solution.

Edited by Memento_Mori at 08:36 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #731 @ 08:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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puritan '

Anyone else having trouble playing the english stream? It worked just fine yesterday and the day before aswell. All i get to work is the russian stage stream.

<< Comment #737 @ 08:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez

Absolutely ridiculous decision. The only fair decision would have been to replay the entire map. The lag started when strenx was 5-3 ahead. It's pretty obvious how biased Carmac is here, this really is pathetic.

<< Comment #745 @ 08:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #737

lol fuck off. How is that fair when cooller was winning? Strenx gets a second chance and cooller gets a big mental disadvantage?

fuck off you half french tard

<< Comment #760 @ 08:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #745

strenx was winning when the lag started. Like kobe pointed out, the situation they will try to recreate was created because of the lag.

<< Comment #773 @ 08:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #760

fuck off biased wannabe french. I bet you live in the french speaking part of belgium

<< Comment #787 @ 08:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #773

No I don't, but feel free to keep making an idiot out of yourself.

<< Comment #855 @ 08:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #773

i cant believe that i was even arguing with you man :|

<< Comment #907 @ 09:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #855

he's replying everyone with the same shit. He is just annoying. So he can fuck off.

<< Comment #782 @ 08:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ZeritoN - Reply to #760

Cooller had the same lag

Not saying it's fair, just you can't really give it to either

<< Comment #850 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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orrrcccus - Reply to #745

How will u play after been in 0-2 , making a huge come back, last game u are in advantage and u see that time is in ur favour and then ... BAM lagg in crucial moment ...
Ure nerves will be shaken and ure mentally fucked.

If it wasn't for this lag Strenx wouldn't lost it for sure.

Try to think before using the word "Retard".

<< Comment #910 @ 09:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #850

How would you feel when you are losing 3-0 and then suddenly it start to lag. WTF? How can you make a comeback when it lags?!

Same shit. The serversituation were the same for both players thus fair.

<< Comment #1044 @ 10:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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orrrcccus - Reply to #910

Man it's about lag not same shit. If u can't understand that lag isn't supposed to be part of the game I am sry for u.

<< Comment #826 @ 08:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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zik - Reply to #737

at 5:3? You kidding man? It was 3:0 for strenx, then cooller killed him with 3:1 strenx saying 'lag'. Still both playing with a lag strenx managed to go for 5:1 when cooller in a VERY FUCKING FAIR (as they were both lagging) rail vs rail battle got the 2nd frag and started his comeback. Still I would say it was strenx's advantage when the game began to crash and it was only cooller's good decisions and having better nerves with that rail battle to get back in the game.

<< Comment #829 @ 08:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #826

My bad, I didn't have the exact score so I used the comments above where some people said it started at 5-3. You can replace the 5-3 in my comment above with whatever the score was when the lag started, the rest of the comment is the important part :p
edit: and the "they were both lagging" argument has been addressed several times, read below.

Edited by Naghokez at 10:53 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1041 @ 10:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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nawak - Reply to #826

THIS

<< Comment #741 @ 08:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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frs

so whats the schedule for bronze and final game?

<< Comment #751 @ 08:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #741

bronze will be played after the 2nd SC2 semi-final. dont have a timed ETA on it...keep tuned in #lvl^

<< Comment #744 @ 08:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Justice for Cooller . We love you Anton , please make us happy .

<< Comment #765 @ 08:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Cwiru - Reply to #744

what do you mean "we" ????????????????

<< Comment #785 @ 08:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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lewl - Reply to #765

me and him

<< Comment #979 @ 09:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #785

and me

<< Comment #796 @ 08:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #744

JUSTICE FOR STRENX

Edited by Jamerio at 08:42 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #759 @ 08:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carmac

Guys,

I haven't followed this thread, I'm oblivious to what's being said here. Here's what happened:

1) The entire area of Kiev ARENA is in got power spikes which were the most likely cause of the lags (server area had those power spikes after all).

2) The players asked for a pause but continued to play. Admin paused the game with 27 seconds to go and Cooller having a lead and a crystal clear advantage. Our IT checked the status of the server and the LAN ping was a stable 1-2ms. The decision came by the referee to unpause the game and continue and it was communicated to the players. That is when the power went down.

3) In a situation like this there is no fair solution. There is only the least unfair solution. We will re-create the situation as true to life as possible and play out the remaining 27 seconds of the game. The referees found this to be the least unfair.

This is extremely unfortunate and I feel horrific for the players. I strongly believe the solution the referees picked was the least unfair - every solution we could have gone for was bound to be unfair.

<< Comment #763 @ 08:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #759

The least unfair solution is TO REPLAY THE FUCKING MAP, not go back to the situation that was created by the lag, like kobe explained (not to mention it's impossible to recreate the exact same situation anyway).

edit: I'd like to add that how you addressed strenx in the discussion that followed the pause is a disgrace. Luckily Thorin was there to capture it. I seriously cannot believe how aggressive you were when you tried to blame him for not pausing when it's clearly the ESL admin's fault.

Edited by Naghokez at 09:13 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #766 @ 08:31 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu - Reply to #763

u again -_-

<< Comment #776 @ 08:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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GrotesK - Reply to #763

haha, replay a map? cmon dude that's just way to obvious and easy to do, we're talking quakelive esport tournaments here.. we gotta try and recreate situations. we cant just come up with the most logical/quickest answer/solution.

<< Comment #778 @ 08:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pTOLEmy - Reply to #763

fuck off annoying little prat

<< Comment #803 @ 08:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kevz - Reply to #763

butthurt strenx fan

<< Comment #807 @ 08:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24 - Reply to #763

Any fool would know that is the least unfair Naghogez... well said!

<< Comment #862 @ 08:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Something - Reply to #763

Disgrace? Seriously? Wow, just wow; absolutely nothing wrong with the way carmac behaved there. You have clearly never seen someone angry or behave aggressive before, as carmac was nowhere near out of order.

<< Comment #894 @ 09:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #862

You don't think Carmac's tone is aggressive from 1:07 to 1:19, all while he's trying to blame strenx for not pausing instead of the ESL admin who didn't do his job?

<< Comment #987 @ 09:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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InDepther - Reply to #894

u r a faggot or what?

<< Comment #1074 @ 10:41 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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thero - Reply to #894

I'm sorry, but you really behave like some angry nerd here. Nothing wrong with what Carmac did.

<< Comment #1086 @ 10:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Naghokez - Reply to #1074

Yes there is. He's talking to strenx like he's blaming a 6-year-old who did something wrong.

<< Comment #889 @ 09:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #763

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Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1043 @ 10:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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DankJr - Reply to #889

http://www.sk-gaming.com/video/313430-Discuss..._power_cut

<< Comment #917 @ 09:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (178.187.201.224) - Reply to #763

Replay match = punishment for cooller. Replay anything = punishment for cooller.
Why must they punish cooller?
Kobe, read this: recreate last moment before stop = continue to play without lags. NOT TO REPLAY.

Admins wanted to eliminate obstacles for normal playing and continue the match.

<< Comment #849 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (24.1.155.98) - Reply to #759

How about recreating it from when the lag kicked in and became a factor in the game play? This is truly the most fair. Or else you are just giving the win to your buddy cooller.

<< Comment #786 @ 08:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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butchji - Reply to #759

lol at this getting pluses

<< Comment #795 @ 08:40 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24 - Reply to #759

You actually got pluses for that post?

You can't say with a straight face the best solution would be to re-play the last 27 seconds. The best solution would have been for the admin to halt the match when he visually seen both players lagging, but we know that didn't happen. So the only other solution that should even be thought and talked about is replaying the whole match. How the hell can you say to strenx with a straight face "strenx I know you know I love me some cooller, but this decision has nothing to do with it" "I'm going to recreate the last 27 seconds, ok?".

Edited by kobe_24 at 08:42 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #812 @ 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #759

2) The players asked for a pause (...) Admin paused the game with 27 seconds to go

Explanation for this? Why is there an admin if he can't even react in time to an emergency during the 5th map of the semi-final?

Edited by scowl at 08:49 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #815 @ 08:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #759

lag really fucks up the game completely.
There are so many factors involved that in the end the most fair solution is a rematch.

some examples:
-maybe they didn't know the command.
-maybe that command was blocked so only the ref could use it.
-maybe strenx didn't play seriously when lagged.
-maybe cooller took advantage of the situation so he only said he had lag but didn't pause it on purpose.

also the admin had 0 criteria to the point it could seem to be a fixed result from strenx pov, especially after watching the video at sk-gaming.
How did he pause the game just when cooller took the lead? actually I was hoping that would happen just for the lulz. Can't believe it did

<< Comment #846 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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h3rb - Reply to #759

Why not making a coin toss?

<< Comment #816 @ 08:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gienon - Reply to #759

These morons don't understand that the replay of the remainder of the game is a result of the black-out during the timeout rather than the initial lags so don't hope to talk too much sense into them ;)

<< Comment #828 @ 08:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ted - Reply to #816

It's still just an exemplary showing of incompetence... a fucking 10 minute game to decide who moves into the finals and we can't have a ref monitoring it? srsly?

Edited by ted at 08:51 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #856 @ 08:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gienon - Reply to #828

I agree with you. The timeout should have been called right after the first complaints by the players but nevertheless they still fought in the same conditions during the lags.

One could argue that cooller even had it a bit uphill as he was the one who had to attack which requires more precision in movement and aiming.

What I find preposterous is to accuse Carmac of making a ruling which favours cooller only on the basis that they're friends but that's just ESR.

<< Comment #1092 @ 10:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #856

I did not make the ruling.

<< Comment #836 @ 08:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #816

pray take this plus for a sane statement

<< Comment #818 @ 08:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ted - Reply to #759

It was really anyone's game before the lags so I can't see why both players wouldn't prefer to replay it. Obviously cooller is pleased with the way the events unfolded.

Edited by ted at 08:48 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #823 @ 08:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #759

approved

THATS THE THINGS
http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/375e983aad5d1c1fx.jpg

<< Comment #886 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #759

.

Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #902 @ 09:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #886

what advantage did cooller get off the admins mistake?

<< Comment #928 @ 09:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #902

.

Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #952 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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twister - Reply to #928

they didnt have high ping, they had warps.
strenx played last few online cups with high ping and lags while cooller didnt play any games online cups recently.
your points are completely nonsensical anyway.

<< Comment #762 @ 08:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ffx

This is a fucking disgrace because it isn't the player's fault. Whoever did sports on a higher level knows that you are full with adrenaline and just focus on the fucking game. Sry, but to say "he could have paused the game himself" is so fucking ridiculous because therefore are referees who watch the game instead of taking a nap/jerking off or whatever this retard was doing. I mean the power supply died anyway so why don't they replay from the beginning of the lags or just replay the game?!

This decison is a fucking joke and I thought carmack had some sportsmanship. I don't really care who wins the game I just want to see a fair competition ...

Edited by ffx at 08:30 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #851 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (99.239.100.129)

Terrible decision - you can't recreate the situation and it's completely unfair to try.

They should replay the entire map, plain and simple.

Cooller will be robbed of his 1 frag lead so close to the end of the game. Strenx will be robbed of his 5-2 lead due to lag, confusion and incompetent admin's.

Replaying the map is the only fair and logical decision.

I'm shocked at the ruling, it just seems biased and haste.

<< Comment #867 @ 09:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Khorney - Reply to #851

Why does the server lagging mean that cooller should be removed of all his frags then? Its not as if he is the only one that can frag when both players are lagging.
And they did say on the stream that cooller wrote that strenx had gotten frags earlier in the game when they were lagging. So im guessing it lagged a bit before that as well?

<< Comment #871 @ 09:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24 - Reply to #867

Then the only solution would be to replay the whole match, duh!!!

<< Comment #888 @ 09:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rareh - Reply to #871

yeah either that or same conditions when lags started(strenx was winning)
not pause match when cooller frags and gets lead....
Did cooller bribe admin russia style?
oh wait carmac is his friend who am i kidding...

so
3 solutions

1 that favours cooller

recreate match when cooller is in lead(admin paused and power went down)

1 that favors strenx

recreate match when strenx was in lead(before lags started)

or neutral

Restart map

Edited by rareh at 09:11 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #883 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #867

Why does the server lagging mean that cooller should be removed of all his frags then?

The same reason frags also wouldn't count if players agreed to play instagib ca instead of duel. Because it's not the conditions for which the competition was designed. It's European Championship in QL Duel, not European Championships in QL Laggy Duel.

Edited by p4r4 at 09:09 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1046 @ 10:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (68.119.219.54) - Reply to #883

Exactly. Just because cooller made up the frag difference and took the lead in the lag time doesn't mean it's fair that they even had to PLAY in the lag. That's not how it was meant to be played and that's not how they PRACTICED. That's exactly why we watch. We want to see who has practiced and prepared the most and who is the best. Not who plays best in lag. That doesn't show their skill and preparation/who is best at the moment. It's unfair to both of them that they even had to play in the lag period, and it's REALLY unfair that strenx gets his decent lead stripped of him because he was forced to play in the lag. Those 2 minutes of play should have never happened, and should NOT be included in the replay. REPLAY THE MAP. Sorry to see this, strenx. Very unfair.

<< Comment #1143 @ 13:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Khorney - Reply to #883

it was the same situation for both players when it comes to lag, had nobody gotten a frag during this time im sure nobody would have said anything :)

Edited by Khorney at 13:37 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #771 @ 08:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015

Cooller did ask for a pauze but if he wasnt so damn cocky being alll uber geek making some drama for his minions

<< Comment #775 @ 08:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Cwiru

how long that sc2 is ? :/

<< Comment #780 @ 08:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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phate

Any news on when the 3rd place game is going to be played?

<< Comment #794 @ 08:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #780

after the 2nd SC2 semi-final. Stay tuned in #lvl^ for the exact time.

<< Comment #802 @ 08:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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phate - Reply to #794

cheers!

<< Comment #781 @ 08:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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veed

blame those ukrainian admin/s, not the players, carmac or someone else...

<< Comment #873 @ 09:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #781

admin on the server was http://ww.esl.eu/eu/player/143721/

<< Comment #783 @ 08:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen

I dont get all the whine here, cooller made a comeback in same ping conditions as frenchie had, he deserves that win.

<< Comment #790 @ 08:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #783

He doesn't. The reason behind a lan tournament is a fair competition.
Everyone was complaining about stermy's disqualification and know they approve unfair shit. Pathetic

<< Comment #800 @ 08:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #790

it would be unfair if only strenx had lag, but they both played on same ping, so you can only blame admins for not pausing game before,
cooller is like "i made this comeback even with that shitty ping" and I approve to this - strenx was more pissed since he had weaker mentality.
Anyway - who the fuck wants to see frenchie in finals ?!

<< Comment #824 @ 08:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #800

You don't get it. Read what kirua wrote.
Your last sentence disqualifies your oppionion anyway.

<< Comment #840 @ 08:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #824

Your last sentence qualifies you to be allowed to fly to kiev and lick his french skinny ass

<< Comment #876 @ 09:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ffx - Reply to #840

I don't really care who advances. You on the other hand are a biased polish fatty cooller fanboy who doesn't know the word fairplay at all because it is non existent in your language as carmack proved a few min ago ;).

<< Comment #896 @ 09:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #876

im not cooller fanboy, but i dont like frenchie even more, just because of his general behavior (metnioned spawnfrag is just an example), but cooller deserves his lead and cant see any point with taking it off him.

<< Comment #810 @ 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kirua. - Reply to #783

It's not about "same conditions" when these conditions are totally awful and random. If two tennis players have to play with a racket made of plutonium, it would be super cool, and same conditions, but totally stupid.

Recreating a situation in QL is IMPOSSIBLE. What are they gonna do, take the item with exactly the same spawn time, synchronise whatever life/armor they had, take the same ammo and all ? Recreating before or after the lag is just insanely stupid.

It's obvious to anybody with a bit a common sense that you can only replay the map here.

<< Comment #820 @ 08:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #810

I know that, but u cant blame cooller that he doesnt want to rematch as he did that during those awfull lag, on his point of view he deserves it and i cant disagree with him cause i would feel in same way in this situation.
Admins are the only ones to blame now.

<< Comment #854 @ 08:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ted - Reply to #820

His friend avek can get free match restarts for whining about a "bad spawn", but restarting after lags/power outages wouldn't be fair? I guess cooller doesn't care how he reaches the finals so long as hes there.

<< Comment #863 @ 08:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #854

frist : I dont agree with that t7 restart you mentioned, and think that should be played normally, avek just emo quited.
second : these are different situations since last year it was about starting spawn, now it is about like last 2 mins of the game.

<< Comment #866 @ 09:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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weltschmerz - Reply to #820

rather blame the fragility of the whole setup. a video game which can't be interrupted and continued at a later point. which relies on solid networking conditions in a very sensitive way. etc etc

that'd actually be a useful feature. pump the demo recording code up to make it possible to stop a game at an arbitrary point and continue it later.

<< Comment #906 @ 09:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Normalised - Reply to #866

i was just thinking the same thing. have a feature of resuming a demo using real players and/or having a feature on the server to save a paused state and restart it at any time later.

<< Comment #864 @ 09:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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p4r4 - Reply to #783

Let's imagine there was a bug in QL that makes both players' scrores go to any random number every second and that bug appeared 10 seconds before the end of the game. Both players are in exact same situation, but is it fair to consider player A deserving a win if his random score randomly turned out to be bigger than his opponent's random score at the end of the timelimit?
Fair game is not about the same conditions, it's about predefined conditions, known to both players beforehand. Lags are not predefined, no one expected them, so after the lags started, game conditions could not be called fair for any of the players.
As QL has no ping telemetry system or anything like that, it's impossible to say when exactly lags started (i.e. it's impossible to say from what time & score to replay the game), so the most fair resolution was to ~~replay the whole map from the beginning~~ kickban the french fag and let cooller win already.

<< Comment #914 @ 09:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #864

I know about that, that's why i blame admins that they didnt paused game before and fix it, but if they didnt do that... (enter here my cooller fanboism text)

also ur last sentence makes perfect sense :D

<< Comment #847 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (90.61.214.80)

Ukrainian SHOULD NOT HAVE PERMISSION to CREAT NUCLEAR POWER FACTORY.

Want another tchernobyl ?

<< Comment #904 @ 09:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #847

Permission from who? Ukraine is a country, they can whatever the fuck they like. In case you're idealistic, get over of that UN bullshit while you're still young, teethless shark is teethless.

<< Comment #791 @ 08:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carillo

I blame Putin, they say that he is cooller than chuck norris.

<< Comment #1129 @ 12:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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yikes - Reply to #791

Only Cooller is cooller than Chuck Norris.

<< Comment #801 @ 08:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio '

JUSTICE FOR STRENX

Remove the *** and spam if you think Cooller gets unfair advantage and Frenchy was screwed.

[***url=www.esreality.com/files/misc/2011/80325-jamerio-beats-russian-duel-legend.swf]JUSTICE FOR STRENX
[/url]

Edited by Jamerio at 08:44 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #811 @ 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #801

why do you need so much attention?

<< Comment #830 @ 08:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gienon - Reply to #811

He strives for different kinds of attention than just his dad buttfucking him.

<< Comment #1071 @ 10:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kaliberr44 - Reply to #830

even his father the molester didn't want to buttfuck him

<< Comment #839 @ 08:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #811

JUSTICE FOR STRENX

<< Comment #1098 @ 11:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #811

you're the one who posts demos of himself bragging that he beat Prozac.

Plus its not the attention I care about, its knowing that some decrepid shit like you is raging over it cos they never get a look in with me around as I'm just better than you :)

<< Comment #1107 @ 11:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #1098

i didn't even bother watching crap you uploaded here, just asked what it really was.

from what i could understand, it seems like you lost a random/irrelevant ffa game to a duel player, then took the frags/time ratio and pronounced yourself a winner?

maybe i'm wrong, cba checking.

but if it's true, i suggest you beg some admin to delete this topic. you're already on rock bottom anyway.

also you'll find me posting a demo of myself as much as we'll find your name on some imaginary trophy/award, you poor old dude.

Edited by Lethe at 11:21 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1110 @ 11:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #1107

Yes you're wrong. I didn't read the rest as its pointless as you've just admitted you have no real idea what you're talking about.

And I daresay its not the first time.

<< Comment #1113 @ 11:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #1110

ah, so the rest must have crushed your poor 35yr old ego.

i'm terribly sorry on both parts, first not caring enough to read what exactly do you write/upload, and second remind you how pathetic you are :)

sigh.

<< Comment #1135 @ 12:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #1113

Hi, you're wrong about my age by several years too. How would you feel if someone bumped you upto 30?

Everytime you open your mouth you spew so much inaccuracy that its not even debatable.

Enjoy those great prospects.

<< Comment #1137 @ 12:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lethe - Reply to #1135

i sure as hell won't be 35, single, bitter, delusional punching bag of the internet.

maybe it's time for you to let go.

<< Comment #817 @ 08:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #801

Dude, crack is so 90's

<< Comment #806 @ 08:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hnns

Once again the ESL admin team put their heads together to reach the single most ridiculous solution they could have come up with. It doesn't seem to matter they already burned themselves with this joke of a ruling in the qualifier stages with strenx-spartaz0rd.

Edited by hnns at 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #831 @ 08:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #806

oh please.

they could have proposed a coin toss ;)

<< Comment #860 @ 08:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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fur*q - Reply to #831

I think you mean "toin coss"

Edited by fur*q at 08:59 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #930 @ 09:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hnns - Reply to #831

still better

<< Comment #1002 @ 09:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #930

nah, I don't buy it.

If carmac had called a coin toss, you, especially you for that matter, would have been all over him.

I mean, you have been on about criticizing the ESL for so long, it's kinda hard to imagine you would not criticize a coin toss.

<< Comment #1013 @ 09:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hnns - Reply to #1002

I would, the question was whether a coin toss would be a worse solution, not if it's good one.

<< Comment #1035 @ 10:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hnns - Reply to #1013

Normally it would come down to this:
Admins review the game and find that lag was a significant factor in how the game turned out, they take responsibility and replay the map.
Admins review the game and find that lag wasn't a significant factor in how the game turned out, they let the result stand.

But since the power went out when the game was still very close the decision to replay the map is a no-brainer. While recreating a situation sounds fair in a perfect world it's unrealistic, it simply doesn't work that way. As it turned out Cooller probably won because he had mega time and strenx didn't.

<< Comment #1038 @ 10:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1013

yap, but for you the standard reasoning seems to work like this:

"Actual decision by an admin" per default worse than "Random decision has no justification whatsoever and isn't supported by the official rules"

<< Comment #1066 @ 10:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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hnns - Reply to #1038

I was mostly joking regarding the coin toss and I thought you were too, but coin tosses have traditionally been used throughout the ages to decide sporting events, elections and general disputes that for whatever reasons haven't produced a result. It's absolutely unbiased and bears more relation to reality than silly attempts to recreate situations that cannot be recreated.

<< Comment #1077 @ 10:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #1066

Iwas joking about the coin toss, which is why I added a ';)'. But I find it hard to tell by just two words if someone is joking or not, so if there is no smiley I tend to think they aren't.

<< Comment #833 @ 08:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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ted - Reply to #806

because none of us is as stupid as all of us

<< Comment #813 @ 08:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015

This shows the fail that is QL aswell where LAN cometition is not possible

<< Comment #827 @ 08:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #813

Lol learn to read, lag wasnt caused by hardware itself but because of wierd power supply situation.
Insert more brainz to continue

<< Comment #841 @ 08:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #827

If it werea real LAN setup it wouldve been less stress on the power network..

<< Comment #853 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #841

you cant know what was exactly the situation, for example for how long the spikes lasted and stuff, and servers are huge bastards with big power needs and sometimes you cant get over with writing some magic lines in netcode.

<< Comment #861 @ 08:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Ryan2015 - Reply to #853

You have a point still its a failing part of QL

<< Comment #872 @ 09:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kluczmen - Reply to #861

I would say that its failing part energy infrastructures, and it gets worse year by year, since power needs of today's civilization grow uncomparably to what energy companies can supply, so all those electricity failures are starting to occur more and more often not only in ukraine, but in most of large city areas in general.

<< Comment #926 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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iavoal

...and the good strenx almost won a duel against the evil cooller when cooller suddenly was like <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kpAcanUJX7s" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

<< Comment #845 @ 08:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (81.49.11.178)

I am French and I totally agree on the fact they should restart at the moment it was paused.
Like some people said above, they both encountered lag problems. If I played I would have paused myself if the lags annoyed me, which has not been the case there.
It would be unfair for Cooller to play again the entire map whereas he made a comeback with lags, the same lags strenx also had. It is not like if only one of the two players had lags which could result to restart the game with the score before it would have started.
The only shame is to pause 28 seconds before the end of the map.

<< Comment #869 @ 09:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #845

`I am French and I totally agree on the fact they should restart at the moment it was paused. `
stopped right there :/ doesnt make any sense for me.

<< Comment #880 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (81.49.11.178) - Reply to #869

I just say that because of the comments I saw which directly show that people think French people support strenx because he is French.

<< Comment #908 @ 09:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #880

I salute your search of truth, my fellow frenchman.

<< Comment #844 @ 08:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kuzka

Saying that the situation was fair for both players because they both had same lag is bullshit. It was disadvantage for strenx all along because he is an aim-player. Cooller on the other hand was happy for the lag because he could frag strenx at this moment when strenx's aim would be fucked. Cooller plays the same with or without lag because he doesn't rely on aim anyway. Conclusion: cooller wins because of stupid lag, not because he deserves it.

<< Comment #875 @ 09:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #844

can you please remember the game you are talking about?

Cooller came back because he hit his rails, while strenx did not. How dows that translate into strenx being the aim player?

<< Comment #919 @ 09:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kuzka - Reply to #875

All I saw was cooller making a comeback due to strenx missing his shots thanks to the lag.

<< Comment #885 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #844

lol

<< Comment #891 @ 09:10 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS - Reply to #844

you have just confirmed that you are an idiot too

<< Comment #920 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (79.0.188.21) - Reply to #844

how lovely when people try reasoning

<< Comment #1054 @ 10:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

well oiled - Reply to #844

lol, have you even thought before posting such shit you wrote ? Strenx playes his style, Cooller playes hist style. Who cares that Strenx relies on his aim only ? I can reply to your stupid post with analogic my own, like: Cooller playes with his heart and intuition, while Strenx is an aimbot and all the beautiful Cooller's decisions ruins with his fcking rail. The life is so unfair!

<< Comment #832 @ 08:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

lest just reply the whole tornament !

<< Comment #835 @ 08:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

aiken

Blame Canada!

<< Comment #868 @ 09:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Xen_Crypt - Reply to #835

Yeah!

<< Comment #837 @ 08:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

i can't believe this is happening :( this is wrong in so many ways.

replay whole t4 with no lags (or after 6minute when lags are started) and let the best player win.

<< Comment #842 @ 08:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ffx

Strenx should just object to play the last 27 sec. I bet carmack/esl will threaten him with disqualification from the world finals :D.

<< Comment #882 @ 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (90.61.214.80)

how long will we had to watch sc2 bs sir????????

<< Comment #877 @ 09:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

RMS

you dumbs who say that if they both played with lags they were in the same conditions. in any conditions which are out of normal result might be different. and moreover now imagine we would have lags in every single match, would still say that's ok and enjoy the games?

the map had to be restarted by the admins and you cant blame any of the players.

Edited by RMS at 09:07 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #924 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (184.105.146.4)

WOW. You would have to be a full retard or extremely biased to reach this decision. Oh... Hello carmac. Thorin's video says it all really, could you be more against strenx? Nice dodging at the end when you noticed your bullshit was being recorded, clearly you feel you're doing the right thing and have nothing to hide. Fuck off.

Love the excuse that the "scene recreation" (which won't work out; you think you can recreate all the item spawns and which ones the players have timed? rofl) is to "save time" too, doesn't even make any fucking sense. Replaying the map would have been the fastest and above all LEAST UNFAIR decision, there's not even any arguing on that. Unless, again, you've got your tongue in cooller's brown and think his "i won't replay" means anything other than "i'd rather take the forfeit loss" (which in that case should be granted unless you want to set a really, really retarded precedent for the future).

Side note: LAN SERVERS, holy fucking shit id what is your issue with logical thinking and priorities?

<< Comment #936 @ 09:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Teen Queen ' - Reply to #924

While I do agree with the first part of your post, the games were played on LAN, it has nothing to do with QL or id. Lag occurred because of other reasons.

<< Comment #943 @ 09:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #924

Ok i get it, same conditions for both would be unfair, but favoring the player that was 30seconds away from losing with a rematch is fair. Cant you see how immensely retarded youre?

Definitely esr is hitting a new low today.

Edited by gSTRUCTOR at 09:28 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #892 @ 09:11 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

madix

I think they should just replay the whole map.

<< Comment #901 @ 09:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

annihiluzz - Reply to #892

yup, or just those last three mins when lag started, cos its fuckin LAN

<< Comment #918 @ 09:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

If the game was lagging from the first second of the match, throughout the entire match, and one player was up 10-0 before an admin finally paused with 27 seconds left, would they replay from 27 seconds?

This decision really is ridiculous, because it only makes a grain of sense under the current circumstances.

The only professional and fair solution is to replay the entire map.

Another scenario, what if the lag continued for 3 minutes and impaired Cooller's chances at a comeback? Would replaying the last 27 seconds be fair? It wouldn't.

Hopefully while the admin's are wasting their time "recreating the situation" that it dawns on them just how ridiculous this decision is.

<< Comment #895 @ 09:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Raist

I am immensely enjoying all this drama.

cooller best player ever because he is always part of 1 drama per tourney average!

<< Comment #921 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Carillo - Reply to #895

"cooller best player ever because he is always part of 1 drama per tourney average!"

this! :)

<< Comment #900 @ 09:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

.syL

hmmmm, drama served on drama with a side of drama, more plz

<< Comment #905 @ 09:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR '

Shut the fuck up whiners, seriously youre a bunch of pathetic whiners. Yeah im a cooller fanboy, but im seriously against any form of cheating, corruption or any help that can favor one side and diminish the value of the game. Not only in quake but in sports/esports/whateva.

Shit happens, get over it, kids. Crying at your mama's isnt gonna work out of your basements. The lag was for both players. The pause was for both players. The resume will be for both players. Theres no biasing here ffs.

<< Comment #915 @ 09:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kobe_24 - Reply to #905

Go to hell dude!!!

<< Comment #929 @ 09:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #915

Truth hurts? :(

<< Comment #951 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kirua. - Reply to #905

Oh god a communist. "We're all equals here, don't worry, everything will be fine".

<< Comment #980 @ 09:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

orrrcccus - Reply to #905

Someday it can happen to you and guess what? when u will see this kind of answer u will understand how it feels.

Don't hide behind words like "whiners" , take attitude or in the future the number of incidents will increase .. Hell , maybe we'll get used to it and think " It's normal ! .. Shit happens".

<< Comment #989 @ 09:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

wrong person - Reply to #980

it will be truly a Hell, where people think this way. :|

<< Comment #1055 @ 10:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #980

Obviously it feels like crap for the loser. Do you really think shit doesnt happens to me? Oh yes it does but guess what, the last thing i do is blame other for my own incompetence. As the start of the incredible "How to be free on an unfree world" books says, the first step to freedom is assuming your own mistakes and stop blaming others. He could have won the first tree maps but not, he put himself in a 5th map where shit happened and he fucked it up. Period. No conspiracy here other than Strenx fanboys unable to accept hes not the great player they believe he is. Meanwhile cooller continues 10 years later to reach finals. Accept what is.

<< Comment #916 @ 09:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rxn

I'm American who was asleep and is too lazy to read through all this. Can someone give me a run down of everything that happened so far today?

<< Comment #927 @ 09:20 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr - Reply to #916

Drama.

<< Comment #933 @ 09:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

wrong person - Reply to #916

A Lot of Drama.

<< Comment #911 @ 09:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

linged

The ESL decision to replay the map is not based on server lags, which were unfortunate and might have warranted an admin intervention, which however did not happen, thus making the result valid, but solely on the fact that the power went in a situation were Cooller was winning with 30s remaining of the map.

The only thing to do is thus to try to recreate the situation - how they will manage to do that without Strenx cheating like he did in the same situation against Spartazord online, will be interesting to see.
There he just took an yellow armor that he didn't have the right to take, and admins didn't prevent his obvious cheating in that case.

Again, not the spikes are the result for this replay, but only the power shutdown. And in this situation, Cooller had basically won the map already.

<< Comment #912 @ 09:17 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

in the other hand: White-Ra. hell yeah. :D

<< Comment #913 @ 09:18 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rofl at ESL stream, can see Joe's? face in the medal's reflection

<< Comment #932 @ 09:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Trance

<< Comment #1114 @ 11:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Jamerio ' - Reply to #932

Edited by Jamerio at 11:30 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1166 @ 16:25 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Teen Queen ' - Reply to #1114

THATS THE THINGS

<< Comment #938 @ 09:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

pontape

Lagged servers aren't normal tournament conditions, no one AGREED to these conditions.

All players have timeout binds in their configs, if they had the time to type out complaints and pause requests it's because the server didn't allow them to pause it themselves.

The right play being unable to pause would be to just stop playing right then and there and wait for the admins to get their shit together. It's amazing how the players complained, the casters called for it over the stream and in-game and it still took so long for a pause, with 27 seconds remaining after the whole outcome had been decided under awful conditions!

This decision couldn't be worse.

<< Comment #940 @ 09:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ashy

OH GOD OH GOD

<< Comment #941 @ 09:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr

O MY GOD IM SPRAYING EVERYWHERE

<< Comment #944 @ 09:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16

100,000 to 1

LOL

<< Comment #945 @ 09:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

"we got too many cameras here" (c) Carmac

<< Comment #961 @ 09:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

funnyb - Reply to #945

yeah carmac the new angel munoz!

<< Comment #946 @ 09:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

<< Comment #947 @ 09:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

r3sp

thats the stuff!

<< Comment #948 @ 09:28 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN

Best 28 seconds match ever

<< Comment #950 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kier - Reply to #948

AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<< Comment #958 @ 09:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Carillo - Reply to #948

You beat me to it. Plus for you.

<< Comment #949 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z '

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG

<< Comment #953 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

yarrr

GJ, strenx, GJ.

<< Comment #954 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

wtf just happended? why did they play 2 minutes? why did strenx need 3 frags? wtf?

<< Comment #965 @ 09:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Xsi - Reply to #954

What are you blind or stupid?

<< Comment #993 @ 09:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #965

neither, at first I wasn't following the stream, then I only saw some seconds during lots of buffering.

<< Comment #1008 @ 09:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Xsi - Reply to #993

so strenx fragged cooller in those 27s making overtime, then cooller made to win after 2 mins

<< Comment #955 @ 09:29 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

my heart is exploding

<< Comment #956 @ 09:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

zar4

amazing, but seriously how did strenx do 260 damage there? was like a rail and a shitty shotgun blast :o

<< Comment #967 @ 09:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #956

2 rails, shotgun + cooller hit a rocket at the pillar in front of himself

<< Comment #971 @ 09:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #956

2 rails, shotgun + cooller hit a rocket at the pillar in front of himself

<< Comment #976 @ 09:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

r3sp - Reply to #971

so its 6 rails, 3 shotguns and 3 pillar rockets

<< Comment #1017 @ 09:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

daka - Reply to #976

ahahahahhahah epic

<< Comment #1022 @ 09:59 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lethe - Reply to #976

i deleted one of those so it doesn't fit now.

<< Comment #1029 @ 10:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

r3sp - Reply to #1022

thx 4 info, now it fits again :]

<< Comment #1064 @ 10:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

ZeritoN - Reply to #976

And a partridge in a pear tree

<< Comment #981 @ 09:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

risen

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Fuck it, this shit was awesome. I don't have an opinion anymore.

<< Comment #959 @ 09:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Spyyder

strenx is my hero

<< Comment #960 @ 09:30 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

crazy how the ot happened, kidna glad it did, felt fair. not sure if strenx had mega timing, that was important. well gg ;)

<< Comment #1001 @ 09:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z ' - Reply to #960

update bets fixtures, please. :)

<< Comment #1016 @ 09:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Nukm - Reply to #1001

was kinda busy, did it now
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=2023075

Edited by Nukm at 09:58 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #962 @ 09:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

LukKe

ASVGHDAHFGDGLGJD.. muted the stream cos i was watching something else and managed to switch over just to see the ot after an insane wall of spam on irc ... wtf happened??

<< Comment #977 @ 09:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16 - Reply to #962

Cooller went to camp sg/rl door, strenx came through with sg and rg, strenx killed cooller, OT happened.

<< Comment #1011 @ 09:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

koekie - Reply to #962

They recreated the situation from the timeout:
Cooller had around 100/150
Strenx had no armor, picked up rail + shotgun and took Cooller down with that forcing the overtime!

<< Comment #963 @ 09:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Meh, strenx did well to get an overtime.
But that's about it.

<< Comment #964 @ 09:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

" <gienek> 28 seconds of quake is much more exciting than an hour of sc2 borefest "

<< Comment #966 @ 09:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

wp Cooller !

Too bad for Strenx, but one thing is sure, Cooller isn't by far better than Strenx now.

Is that me or casters are ultra pro Cooller in any matches ?

<< Comment #999 @ 09:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

pTOLEmy - Reply to #966

He should.

<< Comment #1021 @ 09:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

p4r4 - Reply to #966

Is that me or casters are ultra pro Cooller in any matches

Name any reason why anyone should not be ultra pro Cooller?

<< Comment #969 @ 09:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

esdf '

lol @ joe makin sure interview ends when he wants it :DDDDDDDDDDdd

<< Comment #968 @ 09:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Attyla7

"now im more cool" cooller

<< Comment #970 @ 09:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

son1dow

Cooller felt like letting Joe finish the interview this time hehe

<< Comment #978 @ 09:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (88.78.16.173)

missed it ofc. someone please put it up on youtube :x

<< Comment #973 @ 09:37 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

i yelled so hard hahahah

<< Comment #974 @ 09:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kobe_24

S T R E N X S T R E N X S T R E N X
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<< Comment #975 @ 09:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

daka

best game ever, im gonna show this game to my grandchildren xD

<< Comment #982 @ 09:43 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

lewl

what time are the next QL matches going to be played?

<< Comment #985 @ 09:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

daka - Reply to #982

Final
18:40 CET: SF1 vs SF2 (Details) @ ESL TV

<< Comment #983 @ 09:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob

.

Edited by Bob at 14:37 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #986 @ 09:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z ' - Reply to #983

fanboy detected.

<< Comment #1012 @ 09:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Bob - Reply to #986

.

Edited by Bob at 14:38 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1023 @ 10:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z ' - Reply to #1012

Nice try.

<< Comment #1045 @ 10:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

-Tita-

I'd like to see Strenx interview haha

<< Comment #984 @ 09:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR '

Couldnt watch it, but for the comments Strenx got the overtime, so he got 2 minutes wihout lag, pause, referee decisions and all the crap ive had to read in this thread, and anyway he lost. Because hes a loser, get over it. Stop blaming carmac, id, etc. He doesnt have what it takes to be a campion, at least yet.

Next! :D

<< Comment #997 @ 09:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

rareh - Reply to #984

ye only way cooller can win is to give him one frag advantage.
In impartial leagues(not ESL we will see rematch of strenx vs cooller again).

<< Comment #1025 @ 10:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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becks - Reply to #997

when that "impartial league" comes around, please remember to read their rules before the match.

I for one applaud the ESL admin for predicting this situation when they wrote the rulebook, so they could make sure to favor cooller!

<< Comment #990 @ 09:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

h8m3

damn i was eating and missed 'semifinals'
vod?

Edited by h8m3 at 09:48 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #991 @ 09:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

jamalz

Where the fuck is the third place match?

<< Comment #1003 @ 09:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

daka - Reply to #991

thats what i wanna know too

<< Comment #995 @ 09:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

garz

cash money and give new bets! :)

<< Comment #996 @ 09:50 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Strenx or Cooller is winner? Who is goint to finals?

<< Comment #998 @ 09:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

d1z ' - Reply to #996

Cooller.

<< Comment #1010 @ 09:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lejionator - Reply to #998

Thakns, bro! I am VERY HAPPY NOW! This make my day! :)

<< Comment #1000 @ 09:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

koekie

EPIC, insane how strenx did so much damage!
Cooller after the interview: *thumbs up* xD

<< Comment #1042 @ 10:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Erudite

Any word when lvlup will be showing Strenx vs Cypher? I'm guessing Strenx will need a little while to cool his head haha.

I feel a little sorry for the way in which Strenx lost, but it's the drama and personalities that makes offline LANs so much more interesting than a Zotac cup - and you can't deny today's drama :)

<< Comment #1059 @ 10:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl - Reply to #1042

already being played
http://www.own3d.tv/live/5093

<< Comment #1004 @ 09:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Trance

the bronze final between Cypher and strenx will be played in the next 5-10 minutes.

www.levelupyourgame.net/esl

http://www.own3d.tv/live/5093

<< Comment #1007 @ 09:55 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #1004

thanks dude! :D

<< Comment #1018 @ 09:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lejionator - Reply to #1004

What i said??? Avek is going to finals!I said this! I see avek vs killsen in bloodrun!

But idon't know who can win! Avek or Cooller???

<< Comment #1024 @ 10:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

daka - Reply to #1004

tnx trance :)

<< Comment #1026 @ 10:01 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #1004

man, hopping back to your stream after watching esl makes me realise just how good your stream quality is (minus slasher).

Fucking awesome job!

<< Comment #1006 @ 09:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

kobe_24

The next "Carmac chilling with Cooller" video should be out anytime soon.

<< Comment #1027 @ 10:02 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #1006

Man, Strenx got 4 maps without lag, pause or admins to show how awesomely better than cooller is, and only could won 2. But blaming lag, pauses and admins is a nice way for your little brain to not accept what is.

<< Comment #1015 @ 09:57 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

r1ddler

god please ESL RELEASE THE VODS ; PLEASE BRO

<< Comment #1020 @ 09:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

skint

replaying the map was the only solution, referee should have paused otherwise whats the point in them.

also found carmacs tone with strenx pretty shit!
but then this guy has been a cock from day one anyway.

<< Comment #1031 @ 10:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

becks - Reply to #1020

what's up with people complaining about the tone and then using "shit" and "cock" in their own personal attack?

<< Comment #1047 @ 10:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #1031

I don't understand people's sensitivity to this... it's just beyond comprehension for me.

With the comments people are making you would have expected carmac to have been screaming in strenx's face spraying saliva everywhere in a fit of rage.

<< Comment #1049 @ 10:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

skint - Reply to #1047

probably because he spoke to him like he was 8 years old

<< Comment #1065 @ 10:26 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #1049

He didn't. He asked strenx why he did not timeout; when strenx didnt answer, he asked again in a tone of disbelief.

Still don't see the problem.

<< Comment #1084 @ 10:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

becks - Reply to #1047

yeah, I agree.

Feels a bit like kindergarden, not a decision that possbily costs one guy $1000.

<< Comment #1048 @ 10:12 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

skint - Reply to #1031

im not an admin

<< Comment #1051 @ 10:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Six16 - Reply to #1048

cock

<< Comment #1057 @ 10:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

skint - Reply to #1051

is this so you can tell me your an admin... well done.

<< Comment #1037 @ 10:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #1020

Yeah hes such a cock helping to bring awesome tournaments and keeping the scene alive. Meanwhile the average esr whiner is so cool looking for little details to bash people that actually does something.

<< Comment #1053 @ 10:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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skint - Reply to #1037

oh i do think the tournaments are overall excellent and props to him for that, ESL ones have been the best in the history of quake. doesnt mean the people behind them cant sometimes come across bad??

<< Comment #1040 @ 10:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (178.24.42.196)

the organisation for such big events (technology and personal) and also rulesets are in some points not at the same level like the Pro-Players. For instance quakecon and iem köln with server and internet disconnects, today power down and indecision in rules.

The players spend very much time and power for the game to improve her skills. Thats why they deserve an equivalent environment by the organizers. But its
also on the players to claim and arrange this grey space to create fair rulesets for players, admins and so on.

The solution for today, a deal from the belly between carmack, cooller, strenx and a admin cannot be right way. Also the interview-part with strenx in warmup-situation, 2 minutes before the match-start with the "what, when you loose question" is not professional by carmac and should be denied by the players.

<< Comment #1028 @ 10:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

timmah

wtf stream as it game starts?

<< Comment #1030 @ 10:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

tourist

VODS ?

<< Comment #1032 @ 10:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu

pretty sure strenx gona go down 3-0 in emo mode now

<< Comment #1033 @ 10:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

"adminfail" - moppz
"be quiet" - taube

why the hell is taube adminning the bronze match after fucking up the semifinal?

Edited by scowl at 10:06 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1034 @ 10:04 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

seems like this time the controversial situation went against strenx . Gotta be some karma shit.

<< Comment #1069 @ 10:34 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #1034

for that spam rail on t7 by strenx last event I guess!

<< Comment #1073 @ 10:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

spartaz0rd - Reply to #1069

THIS!

<< Comment #1036 @ 10:05 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

h8m3

so cooller won t4 vs both killsen and strenx, unexpectedz

<< Comment #1058 @ 10:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #1036

Why?

Cooller has always been very strong on T4; he gave Zero4 (arguably the best T4 player in his prime), an incredibly close game that went to overtime, and has pretty much beaten all the big names on it.

Meh :)

<< Comment #1050 @ 10:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

timmah

nice comeback by strenx

<< Comment #1052 @ 10:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Cypher played a little bad in aerowalk!

Strenx 1-0 Cypher and now is in vertical vengeance!

<< Comment #1056 @ 10:19 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

s7ry

Someone upload those 28 seconds to youtube pls :D

<< Comment #1060 @ 10:21 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Kerchu - Reply to #1056

gona be soon!

<< Comment #1062 @ 10:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Thorin '

I have video of the replayed time with Cooller's screen and face. I also have a full Cooller interview from after the game and a Carmac interview in which he clarifies and explains ALL of the factors, and believe me there are a bunch none of us were aware of.

I'll update once I get everything up.
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Edit #1:

Video of Cooller's face and screen recreating the situation prior to the pause and then playing out the rest of the game.

Edit #2:

Cooller interview after beating Strenx to move on into the final. He even uses the phrase "biggest epic fail".

Edit #3:

Carmac explains the pause, power outage and recreation situation and circumstances. City wide power problems, spiking on a LAN server, his questioning of Strenx not pausing the game and whether or not the game should have been paused at that specific moment are all discussed.

Edited by Thorin at 14:28 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1067 @ 10:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #1062

be careful, man. :)

<< Comment #1109 @ 11:23 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #1067

najs.

it's a shame tho that ukrainian commentators only speak about cooller and how many seconds left to the end of the game when he's winning.

<< Comment #1150 @ 14:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #1062

When did quakers start talking about "stacks". I don't know why, but no matter how practical it is to use, it annoys the hell out of me. :(

<< Comment #1151 @ 14:27 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Thorin ' - Reply to #1150

When they get railed a bunch of times and lose it they should say "my stack got popped"?

<< Comment #1155 @ 14:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carillo - Reply to #1151

aaarrrggghhhhh!!!

<< Comment #1068 @ 10:32 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Six16

Casters : Please stop over using the word "clutch", it's getting annoying.

<< Comment #1157 @ 14:53 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #1068

was gonna say the same thing to ESRusers about the word "annoying," -- okay separate issue: you're right about that.

<< Comment #1070 @ 10:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pretty lulz if cypher leaves 4th

<< Comment #1080 @ 10:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kalston - Reply to #1070

lulz

<< Comment #1072 @ 10:38 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Kerchu

28 Seconds video record from cybersport_arenas big screen with all the screams and stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShMF9_JAaAw&feature=feedu

Edited by Kerchu at 10:41 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1075 @ 10:44 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

HEY ESL/CARMAC COULD YOU PLEASE TRY TO FIX THE OCTOSHAPE STREAM FOR THE FINALS, ITS WORKS GREAT FOR THE BANDWITH IMPAIRED SPECS, THANKS :D

<< Comment #1078 @ 10:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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timmah

omg

<< Comment #1079 @ 10:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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r3sp

strenx deserved his 3rd place gg!

<< Comment #1081 @ 10:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

damn 9hp :(

<< Comment #1082 @ 10:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

LukKe

owned by a jumppad :(

<< Comment #1083 @ 10:48 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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About cooller - strenx:

First of all, match shouldn't be stopped 30 sec before the end, when lag was announced 2 mins before that. Admins should have stopped match when strenx first time complained, but since they didn't (not sure why though o_O), they should just leave it be played till the end.

Second, if lag was so bad for either of players, they could have used timeout, but since they didn't it is presumed both players thought they can be in more advantage if they continue playing and therefore it means they CAN play regardless of the lag in question.

So that basically means this: since strenx didn't take timeout as he should have done, it would be really bad call to replay the map as that would be like the second pass for strenx. He tried to win regardless of lag and when he failed he wanna replay ? I bet he wouldn't give cooller replay if he was leading by one frag 30 secs till the end.

The final decision by ESL admins is best possible in that situation after screwing match with not pausing on time and pausing 30 secs before the end.

<< Comment #1097 @ 11:06 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Bob - Reply to #1083

.

Edited by Bob at 14:38 CDT, 26 June 2024

<< Comment #1103 @ 11:08 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #1083

"He tried to win regardless of lag and when he failed he wanna replay ? I bet he wouldn't give cooller replay if he was leading by one frag 30 secs till the end."
<< this part. something wrong with it.

for example: attitude, which makes u think strenx would have done the same `i'm not gonna replay anyway` thing as cooller does.

p.s. i'm not trying to say that replay was the best fair solution (which i think in fact was) and i'm not trying to make some sort of ladder here (like 1st. admins fault for not pausing in a right time, 2nd. admins fault for pausing when 30 seconds left etc) just saying :)

<< Comment #1105 @ 11:15 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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PerpetualWar - Reply to #1103

it wouldn't be best. It would be worst decision.

<< Comment #1085 @ 10:49 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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OMG! Cypher LOSE!!!!

<< Comment #1087 @ 10:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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kobe_24

strenx vs cypher best matches of the tournament by far!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unbelievable play by both players, there couldn't have been more excitement than what we were fortunate to watch between the two.

Really EPIC shit!!!

S T R E N X
T
R
E
N
X

<< Comment #1090 @ 10:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #1087

Cypher was the disappointment of this tournament. He arrived as the "invincible"and now is 4º place.

Cypher = choke?

Now IF cooller win avek,this will to ruin the day of cypher!

Edited by Lejionator at 10:55 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1111 @ 11:24 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #1090

One may argue that cypher did not care.

<< Comment #1119 @ 11:39 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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incendiary - Reply to #1090

if cypher doesnt meet rapha or avek， he's usually the winner
like in both qcon2010 and dreamhack2010winter

in fact cypher lost 7 bo5 in his ql career.
3 to rapha, 3 to avek, 1 to strenx.

its just style.
rapha's and avek's always mess up cypher's

<< Comment #1130 @ 12:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Lejionator - Reply to #1119

I agree with you!

It is one thing that always happens in high level competitions. It happens in MMA, soccer, boxing too.
Today is not the same as at the time of Thresh and Fatality. Today everyone is highly professional, is no longer a good player who reigns over noobs.

p.s.: Avek vs Cypher in bloodrun was BEAUTFUL match!

<< Comment #1094 @ 11:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #1087

stfu already dude, cypher is used to be #1 so he didnt cared, meanwhile strenx has a very high thirst of victory. Not downplaying Strenx achievement, i salute his skills and being a top3 is awesome!!! But your fanboyism is so excesive makes you look dumb, epic shit? best match of the tournament? hahahah /clue

This just proves why you and the rest of fanboys bashed Carmac and ESL on the 28sec incident.

<< Comment #1100 @ 11:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Anonymous (188.104.3.242)

thumbs up slasher!

<< Comment #1099 @ 11:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (83.18.40.154)

Trance and all lvlup crew: post 3rd place vod as soon as possible!
You did great job so far!

<< Comment #1140 @ 12:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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yikes - Reply to #1099

http://www.own3d.tv/video/58326/ESL_IEM_5_Eur..._vs_Cypher

<< Comment #1091 @ 10:58 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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yeah thats the fuck with lan events - to watch 3 hours of quake you gotta spend a whole day stuck to the screen if you want to be sure not to miss anything

<< Comment #1095 @ 11:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Carmac

FYI, I did not make the ruling. I have very little to do with referee matters.

<< Comment #1106 @ 11:16 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Jamerio ' - Reply to #1095

Why were you caught on camera looking quite aggressive to Strenx and saying there are too many cameras around while suggesting you go somewhere different?

You are by FAR the most influential person in that video.

If you had very little influence then why did you care about cameras being there and who were you to even suggest moving the conversation (that you apparently had little influece over) to else where.

Edited by Jamerio at 11:19 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1115 @ 11:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Thorin ' - Reply to #1106

That video snippet did look a little alarming in the context presented there but I have an interview I am uploading now with Carmac in which he discusses that exact topic and all of the other factors surrounding the pause/power outage incident.

Edit: here it is.

Edited by Thorin at 12:29 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1116 @ 11:35 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #1106

I won't comment on bits and pieces of video which are mostly taken out of context. The final decision was not mine to take - end of story.

<< Comment #1096 @ 11:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR '

HEY ESL/CARMAC COULD YOU PLEASE TRY TO FIX THE OCTOSHAPE STREAM FOR THE FINALS, ITS WORKS GREAT FOR THE BANDWITH IMPAIRED SPECS, THANKS :D

<< Comment #1117 @ 11:36 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Carmac - Reply to #1096

Someone asking for Octoshape... that's a first!

<< Comment #1126 @ 12:00 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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gSTRUCTOR ' - Reply to #1117

HAHA in cases where the ISP uses per conection QoS (like having a 2mb download but with max 20K/S per connection limit) it works wonders!!!

Make it happen! :D

<< Comment #1131 @ 12:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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scowl - Reply to #1126

yeah right, that's totally gonna happen.

<< Comment #1104 @ 11:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Lamur

was 4 Kings, now 5 kings

<< Comment #1132 @ 12:14 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

scowl

502 Bad Gateway

<< Comment #1134 @ 12:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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tourist

quake: sit at pc. play warmup. start game.

cs: 1hr eqipment set up. break dance battle. 20 mins player announcements. 10 minutes warm up. 10 mins player discussion. knife round. team timeout and players hugging eachother. discussion with admin. game start.

<< Comment #1138 @ 12:47 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (139.174.193.47) - Reply to #1134

Hrhr, right on the spot =)

<< Comment #1148 @ 14:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Thorin ' - Reply to #1134

Plus this man!

<< Comment #1139 @ 12:52 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Trance

Bronze final VOD is now up:

http://www.fileplay.net/channels/leveluptv/lv...-vs-cypher

apologies for the fail in the beginning :)

Here is a pack with all the demos of the games I have streamed: http://www.rapidshare.com/files/444159480/iemdemos.rar

I hope you all enjoyed our coverage. Thanks for tuning in, big thanks go to Slasher, nVc, Fishstix, mick05 and Stermy. And ofc thanks to ESL (Carmac especially) for this partnership!

See you in #lvl^

Edited by Trance at 16:53 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1152 @ 14:33 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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tourist - Reply to #1139

mandatory 5 second sound lag

ok more like 15 seconds lead

Edited by tourist at 14:39 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1167 @ 16:54 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Trance - Reply to #1152

yeah the own3d vod has issues, try the fileplay one:

http://www.fileplay.net/channels/leveluptv/lv...-vs-cypher

<< Comment #1142 @ 13:13 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Attyla7

cs is shit

<< Comment #1147 @ 14:03 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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Anonymous (89.78.163.182)

whyyyyyyyy does mtw lost :{

<< Comment #1149 @ 14:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rTx

how much more damn time are these fucking cs rejections gonna play :S

<< Comment #1153 @ 14:45 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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s3cco - Reply to #1149

It's fucking ridiculous. They've been playing for what? 5 hours already? XD
Is this normal for CS or is this some kind of ultimate epic standoff like, dunno, a QL match ending with 20 overtimes?

edit: and just as I hit the post button the game ends \o/

Edited by s3cco at 14:46 CST, 23 January 2011

<< Comment #1154 @ 14:46 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pharrow

It's over!

<< Comment #1156 @ 14:51 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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pontape

now, of course, the IEM grand final, of course, for quakelive, of course, between av3k and of course, cooller!

<< Comment #1159 @ 15:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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tourist

yay alltimes lost emotions

<< Comment #1162 @ 16:07 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

bsk

BEST.

PLAYER.

EVER.

!

<< Comment #1163 @ 16:09 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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rTx

THE MASTER, BRILLIANT, COOLLER !!

<< Comment #1165 @ 16:22 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

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bsk

I think ESR is dying :)

<< Comment #1169 @ 17:56 CST, 23 January 2011 >>

By

Something - Reply to #1165

yeah it can't take this :)

<< Comment #1184 @ 18:17 CST, 26 January 2011 >>

By

xou

where's that part about SC2? :(

lazies

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