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Silence Duel Tournament (157 comments)

( Major News: QL)

Posted by twister @ 12:51 CDT, 25 July 2012 - iMsg

Scheduled: 13:30 CDT, 26 July 2012 to 17:30 CDT, 26 July 2012
Schedule: Passed

Yesterdays Quake Live update saw the introduction of two new duel maps: Silence and Windsong Keep. The former of them, created by

Ferdinand "cityy" List persuades by a unique look and layout. The map features one mega health, one red armor, one yellow armor and two green armors but at the same time it is completely different from all current maps in the way it plays. To further test the map and see if it's suitable for competitive map pools I'm organizing a cup tomorrow, available to all European players. As a little incentive the winner of the tournament will recieve an entry ticket to the Adroits duel tournament. More cups from the Adroits organizers to test potential maps will follow shortly.

Quick Facts

Streams:

ddk,

102 TV
Links: Sign Up, Demos (twister vs czm, czm vs jaysson),

#adroits.quake, Spawn Vis.
Notable Signups:

dem0n,

czm,

baksteen,

guard,

jaysson,

twister & more

Edited by twister_ at 13:38 CDT, 26 July 2012 - 42318 Hits

68%

<< Comment #8 @ 13:58 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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how to sign up? sorry i'm new.

<< Comment #10 @ 13:59 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #8

If you go to the signup page (under links in the news post) you should have an option "sign up" at the top. Enter your details there and you should be good to go.

<< Comment #7 @ 13:58 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Warrant

Nice but why not include both maps? and add another fringe map from old map pool you'd like to see tested as tie breaker.

<< Comment #11 @ 14:00 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #7

So that players can prepare for the cup reasonably by playing the map for a few hours.

<< Comment #1 @ 13:30 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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cha0z_

Good idea!

<< Comment #2 @ 13:33 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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grimbar

Should be played with PQL enabled, some neat jumps you can do on that map.

<< Comment #3 @ 13:40 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Fargold - Reply to #2

It is for testing the map for the Adroits-LAN. There will be normal QL.

<< Comment #4 @ 13:42 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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cha0z_ - Reply to #2

nope.

<< Comment #30 @ 17:04 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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T1E - Reply to #2

zzZZ

<< Comment #5 @ 13:49 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Earthsea

Great initiative!

<< Comment #6 @ 13:51 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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ffx

Played the map and I quite enjoyed it. Will attend :=)

<< Comment #9 @ 13:58 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Attyla7

nice prize but why tommorow :/ need more time to pracitce

<< Comment #12 @ 14:00 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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sleepii - Reply to #9

i agree... if the prize is as big as a ticket into a lan event (not flight/hotel, just a ticket), should be given a few days notice. I'd say a week. hopefully zoot streams these. that'd be awesome

<< Comment #17 @ 14:22 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #12

zoot is away, I'll try to get someone else to do it

<< Comment #25 @ 16:36 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #17

ddk might try and stream it if he's available tomorrow

<< Comment #26 @ 16:40 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #25

gonna steal all olympic games viewers

<< Comment #67 @ 10:54 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #26

stream confirmed, will start at 20:30 cest http://www.twitch.tv/dadoka

<< Comment #13 @ 14:03 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #9

Everyone has the same conditions, so.. :p

<< Comment #14 @ 14:04 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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megaman3

youtube pls

<< Comment #15 @ 14:06 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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sLowbi

So disappointed I'll be busy during this cup! :(

<< Comment #16 @ 14:11 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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megaman3

stream pls

<< Comment #18 @ 14:31 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob

Imho rail have to be in the room with red armour. Otherwise it is not possible to leave the red armour room without -80 from enemy. 3 exits from there and all three can be railed from 1 location on the map.

<< Comment #19 @ 14:38 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob

Or we need one more teleport, leading to the center from red armour room. Otherwise it is shit. Red armour room = death.

<< Comment #36 @ 19:14 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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EmeraldTiger - Reply to #19

Wouldn't that make competitors play more carefully though? After all, the RA is by far one of the most powerful and sought-after items in a duel map, so it makes sense that it should be dangerous to obtain. Plus, even if one loses a bit of health and armor right after grabbing, they still denied it from the other person, which already gives them an important advantage. To minimize the risk, one could also attempt to control the RG, and if the other person has it, try to soak some damage in so they won't try to follow you. There's also the teleporter next to the SG in the same room, which is a good way to quickly get RA without having to use the jump pad or RJ. Just make sure the other person isn't waiting up there next to the exit.

Edited by EmeraldTiger at 19:16 CDT, 25 July 2012

<< Comment #46 @ 01:34 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob - Reply to #36

>> so it makes sense that it should be dangerous to obtain

No, the problem is different. When you die in the center room you will respawn either in YA room or in RA room. In case red armour was taken 5 seconds ago you cannot do anything for 20-23 seconds! There are only 2 weapons in RA room - rocket and shotgun. And you cannot leave the room without -80 from the enemy's rail. That's bullshit.

<< Comment #20 @ 14:50 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Added the spawn visualization to the op. Enjoy.

Edited by Memento_Mori at 14:51 CDT, 25 July 2012

<< Comment #21 @ 14:52 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #20

that's fast, good job!

<< Comment #22 @ 14:52 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Memento_Mori - Reply to #21

Ye, sorry for the crappy vis... I did it very quickly.

<< Comment #23 @ 14:58 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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cerb0z

Any youtube silence vids? Too lazy to watch demos (and i'm not alone).

Edited by cerb0z at 14:58 CDT, 25 July 2012

<< Comment #31 @ 17:36 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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waltz - Reply to #23

Just go to youtube and search for "quakelive silence".

<< Comment #48 @ 02:23 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #31

Aaaaaaaand nothing.

<< Comment #60 @ 09:56 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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waltz - Reply to #48

http://youtu.be/OeO8A-WVLBw
Here you fucking go.

<< Comment #66 @ 10:51 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #60

eghm... okay, i guess you won "word war" ;) but that was 1st video from update-playlist, so doubt anyone could've missed it. i was talking more of duel vod uploaded on youtube kinda vid ;x

<< Comment #70 @ 11:54 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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waltz - Reply to #66

Got it, but I have no clue what playlist are you talking about. Anyway, I guess it was too soon for youtube matches, i mean 1 day in release, really?

<< Comment #81 @ 14:08 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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wrong person - Reply to #70

yea, you right ;) hope this cup's finals will be uploaded at least

<< Comment #24 @ 15:48 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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czm win)

<< Comment #27 @ 16:51 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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HowHard

fkn niiiice!

C I T Y Y
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Y
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<< Comment #28 @ 16:56 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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occultum

I don't have premium anymore so.. how are the new maps? good bad?

<< Comment #29 @ 17:02 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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fuzz

czm??

how do i watch demos in QL?????

<< Comment #34 @ 18:38 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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n1ghty - Reply to #29

/demo demoname

<< Comment #68 @ 11:40 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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SigningOff - Reply to #29

get quake live demo tools.

<< Comment #32 @ 17:53 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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ZeriouS

Awesome!

<< Comment #33 @ 18:02 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Great idea twister, have a + for your efforts

Really clever prize too.

<< Comment #35 @ 19:05 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Good initiative! cityy will appreciate this for sure.

<< Comment #37 @ 19:21 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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aeoL

Silence has elements from Toxicity, Furious Heights, Campgrounds and Aerowalk all into one map :3

<< Comment #38 @ 19:22 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #37

ztn-ish RA!

<< Comment #39 @ 19:33 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #38

Silence!

<< Comment #40 @ 20:52 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #38

The ultimate map?

<< Comment #41 @ 20:53 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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I am quite envious of the EU duel community. Silence is a really fun and interesting map and yet everyone in NA is still playing the same old crap :[

<< Comment #42 @ 23:02 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Lorfa

Wait what? Czm games? Haven't seen or heard from him in ages and he's here playing new map vs. Twister? Wild.

<< Comment #43 @ 23:30 CDT, 25 July 2012 >>

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Lorfa

Anyone have Czm's pov vs. Twister?

<< Comment #44 @ 00:30 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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jaysson - Reply to #43

There you go sir:

http://www.jaysson.org/twister-vs-ufxczm-sile....dm_73.zip

<< Comment #87 @ 15:05 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Lorfa - Reply to #44

Thanks a bunch =)

+'d

<< Comment #45 @ 00:39 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #43

men, check news post.

<< Comment #47 @ 01:49 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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jaysson - Reply to #45

Dunno what you're implying. Linked demo in the news post is twister POV, the demo i posted is the same from czm's POV. Everything looks in order.
Go get some pracc and signup for the cup. ;)

<< Comment #49 @ 06:11 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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GUArd - Reply to #47

no time for pracc :( but I am signed and I will try to play. didn't played single duel, but I already spected like 5 games :)

<< Comment #50 @ 06:25 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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PsY^

Lol map.

Must be a dream fight for a lowsens +back fag with all the corridors and places to just sit and wank with rl.

<< Comment #56 @ 08:01 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Anonymous (58.185.15.198) - Reply to #50

Feels like a mix of gellang from quake 4 and battleforged. Not a good combination. Doubt this map will survive for very long. Toxicity is better and that's a map that a lot of people want to get rid of.

<< Comment #57 @ 09:09 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #56

I'm pretty certain that the majority like Toxicity, so don't expect map to go away any time soon either.

<< Comment #103 @ 17:54 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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lukee - Reply to #57

http://www.esreality.com/post/2293252/adroits-duel-map-poll/

<< Comment #106 @ 20:31 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #103

A vote by people of which many probably don't play duel and even fewer that actually plays tourneys. Also I bet that most of them aren't premium players and by not being able to play it them selves probably don't have any special relation to the map.

All I can say is that Toxicity seems pretty popular on the servers when I go to play and it won't go anywhere.

<< Comment #127 @ 07:39 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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lukee - Reply to #106

it better not, this maps like the first "new" map that is actually really good

Edited by lukee at 07:39 CDT, 27 July 2012

<< Comment #133 @ 08:33 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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GEKKO- - Reply to #127

Yes I fully agree. Hopefully Silence will playout nicely as well. So far it seems like an interesting map, but Toxicity for sure is a solid map.

<< Comment #59 @ 09:55 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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hokum - Reply to #50

yea dude
lol map, had to switch enemy model color :E

<< Comment #51 @ 07:21 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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cityy

As I said on IRC, this is a really nice initiative. I appreciate your efforts. :)

<< Comment #93 @ 17:12 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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sLowbi - Reply to #51

I appreciate this map. :)

<< Comment #52 @ 07:33 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Putton

the idea testing/promo tourney with decent players and new potential maps ist just $$$ :)

<< Comment #53 @ 07:46 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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limity

baksteen FTW!

<< Comment #54 @ 07:48 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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!nFerNo

Holysh1t will stream these.
No commentary unless I find someone with enough duel knowledge :)

edit: http://www.own3d.tv/live/5

edit2: VOD's
atomigo vs Realf1re
atomigo vs baksteen
czm vs dem0n
bukster vs jaysson
guismo vs s8n
guismo vs twister
guismo vs bukster

Finals czm vs dem0n:
part 1
part 2

Edited by !nFerNo at 17:58 CDT, 26 July 2012

<< Comment #55 @ 07:55 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #54

holy shit

<< Comment #58 @ 09:51 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Owzo

Might try and get on to play this! Would love to play a new map, how long do i have at the latest to sign up and check in?!

<< Comment #61 @ 10:06 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #58

You can sign up/check in until 20:30CEST (cupstart)

<< Comment #62 @ 10:23 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Owzo - Reply to #61

Sick I might actually be able to play this then! Excited haha! :O)

<< Comment #64 @ 10:34 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #62

I'll believe it when I see it :D

<< Comment #73 @ 12:17 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Owzo - Reply to #64

Yea, can't get on looks like I'm waiting until talk talk put there internet into my house so I can start playing again! up to 3 weeks I think :O)

ps. that spawn guide thing looks really cool! Nice work, only thing I've got against things like that is that shouldn't the players just figure it out themselves? I know it's great having the help and that but that takes all the fun out of it surely! :D

Edited by Owzo at 12:24 CDT, 26 July 2012

<< Comment #75 @ 13:12 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #73

Sure it could boost players to learn faster the spawns, but when you are running around on the map, it's way different than this 2d-model ;)

<< Comment #89 @ 15:33 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Owzo - Reply to #75

Yea I know that, but still. Personally I would prefer to just naturally pick up on the spawns, if anything I think that's better because you don't force yourself to look at certain spawns that way you just naturally pickup on where you prefer spawn killing etc. Still as I said, great stuff being able to do this kind of stuff! :)

ps. How did the Tourney go? Can someone update me on how they think the map felt / was to watch? Would be nice seeing as I can't really watch a proper stream / youtube video on my phone with 3G and no internet :'(

<< Comment #92 @ 16:10 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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ZeriouS - Reply to #89

no clue about the cup status tho (am kindy busy); I refer to reply to #0 for updates about this cup ^^

<< Comment #63 @ 10:26 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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tntman

Stream/commentary on this cup would be awesome, shine the lvl^ beam into the sky!

<< Comment #65 @ 10:45 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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wotan - Reply to #63

tana-nana-nana-nana DIS-VOR!

<< Comment #69 @ 11:49 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Wintastic - Reply to #63

not gonna happen, dis is watching football and zoot is w/ family. ddk will be streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/dadoka

<< Comment #71 @ 12:10 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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tntman - Reply to #69

cool, maybe he could boost the brightness on his stream and use picmip 16 aswell :)

<< Comment #72 @ 12:12 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX - Reply to #69

Football? Family? What kind of lame excuses are they? Sheesh - the youth of today have got no get up and go...

<< Comment #74 @ 13:02 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #69

20:00 Great Britain U23 ? - ? Senegal U23

rofl :d

<< Comment #76 @ 13:15 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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ZeriouS

Go defCut!

<< Comment #77 @ 13:38 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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megaman3

can't lower stream quality on ddk's stream :(

<< Comment #78 @ 13:42 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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waltz - Reply to #77

lags for me too
i have a good connection

<< Comment #84 @ 14:45 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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cerb0z - Reply to #78

What about routing?

<< Comment #79 @ 13:58 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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megaman3

ohnoes baksteen is losing

<< Comment #80 @ 14:04 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #79

and wins \o/

<< Comment #82 @ 14:16 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

By

Looks like a nice map :)

People are struggling so much out of control though. Also, the yellow armor is placed in a very dangerous position, that is difficult to defend or escape from for the player out of control.

The upper green armor location looks to be a safer/more interesting location for a ya imo: You can quickly access it and disappear, yet it's vulnerable to ambushes (as seen by czm's rjs) if the player out of control is not careful; or does not choose to pick it up at the same time as a major item is being picked up by the player in control.

Am looking forward to some walter demos showing us all the moves that can be done in vq3 movement too, and just how small this map can be made to feel by an aggressive player in control with v good movement :)

<< Comment #83 @ 14:37 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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ok czm... :)

<< Comment #85 @ 14:48 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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ffx

Nice cup but next time fix lower bracket. Cba playing the same 2k elo guy.

<< Comment #86 @ 14:52 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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frs

ddk commentary is golden

<< Comment #88 @ 15:20 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Putton

aijeijei

<< Comment #90 @ 15:42 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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SwarmDMX

It's the czm show \o/

<< Comment #91 @ 15:50 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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megaman3

funny that in 2012 in quake live (a remake of a 1999 game) there are doom3 adverts (2004)

<< Comment #95 @ 17:33 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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dru1d - Reply to #91

yeah it feels a bit strange to me since I've played doom 3 multiplayer since 2005, watched it thrive and then die. Now I'm seeing it being advertised again.

<< Comment #156 @ 23:15 CDT, 30 July 2012 >>

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Anonymous (68.47.191.235) - Reply to #95

I thought it was a really good single player game. Really well designed

<< Comment #108 @ 21:28 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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SigningOff - Reply to #91

its the BFG edition. Didn't you know they were gonna re-release it?

<< Comment #110 @ 22:06 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #91

not as funny as it is plain sad. id used to be the best, now they... re-releasing titles that are 20 years old

<< Comment #94 @ 17:26 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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dru1d

c z m
z
m

I hope he goes.

<< Comment #96 @ 17:33 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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krutov

The higgs boson was found when CZM moved to switzerland. COINCIDENCE?! I don't think so!

<< Comment #97 @ 17:35 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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dru1d - Reply to #96

they found that shit? holyshit and we didn't die in a black hole of death! Thanks czm!

<< Comment #98 @ 17:38 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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Kapiter

Here are the brackets.

VODs are available right here (no commentary):

http://www.own3d.tv/Holysh1tTV#&sort=date...6th%20July

and here (with commentary):

http://www.twitch.tv/dadoka/b/326341580

finale @03:06:00

Edited by Kapiter at 17:54 CDT, 26 July 2012

<< Comment #99 @ 17:41 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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sLowbi

More VODs!

1. http://www.twitch.tv/leveluptv2/b/326336618
2. http://www.twitch.tv/leveluptv2/b/326339820
3. http://www.twitch.tv/leveluptv2/b/326342512
4. http://www.twitch.tv/leveluptv2/b/326350986

<< Comment #100 @ 17:46 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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fazz '

Did CZM get a monitor?

<< Comment #101 @ 17:48 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #100

yea...

<< Comment #102 @ 17:48 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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megaman3 - Reply to #100

I think it was python who said he did, plus a external keyboard

<< Comment #119 @ 01:43 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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h8m3 - Reply to #100

benq xl2420t

<< Comment #104 @ 18:03 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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ddk

thanks for watching guys, if anyone wants to see more stuff from me, I upload youtube videos of qw/ql/cpm every day. http://www.youtube.com/user/4kddk

<< Comment #118 @ 01:31 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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Lorfa - Reply to #104

Cool channel! :-)

<< Comment #105 @ 19:00 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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palatka

so pretty shit map huh

<< Comment #107 @ 20:34 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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sLowbi - Reply to #105

naw

<< Comment #109 @ 21:55 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #107

at least argue ur point instead of just denying

<< Comment #111 @ 22:10 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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sLowbi - Reply to #109

naw

<< Comment #112 @ 22:17 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #111

okay map still shit then i guess

<< Comment #113 @ 22:22 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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sLowbi - Reply to #112

at least argue ur point instead of just denying

<< Comment #115 @ 23:30 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #113

its green, makes enemy hard to detect. spawning at YA gives u 10% survival when leaving the room. all rail and rockets

<< Comment #121 @ 02:13 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob - Reply to #115

1. Is it problem to change color of the enemy to blue? :)
2. Spawning at YA gives you rocket and rail. 65% of armour and then + 25% of armour. That's the best spawn. Spawn on the YA in the beginning of the game gives you Mega + YA + rocket + rail + shaft. The best spawn ever.

<< Comment #129 @ 07:42 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #121

1. 90% of quake players use green, creating a map thats also green is dumb.
2. not talking about initial spawns

<< Comment #114 @ 23:23 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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EddieF4 - Reply to #105

I give it a chance in one or 2 tournaments but from the looks of it, I think it will go the way of dismemberberment and battleforged.

<< Comment #116 @ 23:33 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #114

i dont think anything will change, unless people figure out a way to leave YA room after spawn, without losing the 50(!!) armor they obtained. playing for RA/mega, with 25-75 armor and 70-115 hp against well over a 100 armor and 100 hp is not a slight inconvenience, its almost impossible. looking at the guismo12 vs twister game, its just sad.

<< Comment #122 @ 02:17 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob - Reply to #116

YA room has 4 exits!!! FOUR! One of them is teleport. What you need more? Those who cannot leave YA just don't know the map well.

<< Comment #128 @ 07:40 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #122

or they are playing against a poorly positioned enemy. what im saying isnt that its impossible to walk out. once youre out of that room, you are up against huge stack with basicly nothing. camping cycles of YA is just yawn. gimme more balance pls

<< Comment #130 @ 07:48 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob - Reply to #128

I don't know who is poorly positioned enemy. I played 2 last days against many strong players and can say that YA is a very good and save place. And it is really not difficult to move from YA to the center or to the red.

Edited by iamnoob at 07:49 CDT, 27 July 2012

<< Comment #142 @ 14:36 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #130

mostly everyone who lets u leave YA room unrailed

<< Comment #124 @ 05:42 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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twister - Reply to #116

I have no idea why you used my game as example, the reason I looked so bad was that my aim was completely off.

<< Comment #126 @ 07:36 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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palatka - Reply to #124

i used it because u were raped by a single position all game. sure, had u aimed better maybe u make something hapen but whaevah

<< Comment #154 @ 21:53 CDT, 29 July 2012 >>

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aeoL - Reply to #114

I love dismemberment =(

<< Comment #117 @ 23:34 CDT, 26 July 2012 >>

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imo bukster's the real story of this tournament...gonna try and see some of his demos.

<< Comment #120 @ 02:08 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob - Reply to #117

Yes, he did 4 comebackes in a row. Vs Jaysson the score was 6-10 and 2 minutes left. I left the server, but Buxter won )
The same was against Baksteen, Guismo and almost vs Dem0n. Looks like he doesn't know what to do in the beginning of the game :)

Edited by iamnoob at 02:09 CDT, 27 July 2012

<< Comment #137 @ 11:18 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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evilbollweevil - Reply to #120

thnx, extra incentive to see his matches.

<< Comment #123 @ 04:39 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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Bob

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Edited by Bob at 21:21 CDT, 27 June 2024

<< Comment #131 @ 08:10 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #123

You can be in 2 sec everywhere on the map. Don't think it is too big ...

For instance take the jumppad on ya and edgebug (or whatever it is called) to ra. Or take tele to mh room. -> 2nd tele to green and then to ra etc. Ra to mh through tele to ya. Imo there are a lot of possibilities to cross the map.

Things I noticed were:

Lower green armor is the best position on the map if you are in control. Not only have u decent view on all the ya exits but also infinite rg ammo which imo should be removed. This makes it possible to leave ya "savely" through the upper route and the in control player has to vary positions if his rg ammo is gone.

<< Comment #134 @ 08:41 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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Bob - Reply to #131

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Edited by Bob at 21:22 CDT, 27 June 2024

<< Comment #135 @ 09:12 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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ffx - Reply to #134

Give it time and let him face equal opponents. Not to downtalk demon but czm just played on another lvl yesterday.

<< Comment #136 @ 10:59 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #135

That is true and I've already commented about it.

Czm is currently sitting alone on his level on this map. Even when I'd have full control of the map for the first 3 min of the map in our last encounter, he did not die once and eventually turned the tables around and was stomping me quite hard when in control.

I can only say that czm played better both in and out of control, and having just watched the matches on vod helped me understand further what went wrong for me and went good for him.

I don't think he has played the map much more than me but I've always been a slow-learner. Just probably shows how talented czm always was. He was much faster than anyone else at figuring out the best routes to take, the positions to hold, when and how to be either aggressive or defensive...

wp to him and gotta thank the organizers !

Edited by dem0n at 11:01 CDT, 27 July 2012

<< Comment #138 @ 11:48 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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T1E - Reply to #136

spartie and killsen always seem to be godly on new maps, I wanna see them going for it

<< Comment #139 @ 13:59 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #138

based on what maps ? just curious !

edit: i know spartie was quite good on toxicity in the beginning because he trained it a lot, so did strenx, but toxicity was an old map anyway

Edited by dem0n at 14:00 CDT, 27 July 2012

<< Comment #147 @ 13:03 CDT, 28 July 2012 >>

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extone - Reply to #139

kilsen on pukka3tourney5
noctis on rota3dm1
actually most of pros (except cooller) are preaty good at learning new maps

<< Comment #148 @ 13:06 CDT, 28 July 2012 >>

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dem0n - Reply to #147

yeah obviously, they do it in a specific mindset: get the best out of a map. Look at toxjq when he trained ql duel a few months back, he would never ready up, he would analyze the positionning, the spawn positions, the best routes... The best way to do it was to not play a game but just go running in warmup mode :)

<< Comment #155 @ 04:00 CDT, 30 July 2012 >>

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no_il - Reply to #147

Killsen on pukka3tourney5? IIRC, the only time that map was played (in a tournament) was in first Quake 3 Revoluzzers cup. In the 2nd edition rota3dm1 was in the map pool and had a show-match of the winner (moon'sd) vs noctis after the tournament finished. Killsen didn't play in neither cups, though he seemed to have picked up trinity pretty fast.

I've always enjoyed demos of players playing obscure maps, so if you have any of killsen on pukka3tourney5 please share.

P.S, megadm4_09 was awesome.

<< Comment #153 @ 19:09 CDT, 29 July 2012 >>

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Lorfa - Reply to #136

Seems like czm has an uncanny sense for the enemy's position and where they're going. I desperately wish I could get that myself.

<< Comment #125 @ 07:17 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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kk-super_koziol.pl

I liked how the map plays quite a lot. would like to see it being played in tournaments for sure

<< Comment #132 @ 08:22 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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mouse*

missed it . so is it a competitive map?

<< Comment #140 @ 14:13 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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iamnoob - Reply to #132

Yes. I vote for this map in mapslists of ..... Ups, no tournaments left.

<< Comment #141 @ 14:30 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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Fargold - Reply to #140

Adroits

<< Comment #143 @ 16:22 CDT, 27 July 2012 >>

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jedimy

Just went through the vods, map reminds me of hub, the way ya is approached by the one in control, relatively closed off ra, mega room also similar. great job by ddk (++ smooth, clean, laid-back voice.)
> FOLLOWED & SUBSCRIBED

<< Comment #144 @ 05:48 CDT, 28 July 2012 >>

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no_il

I think RA should be replaced with a YA (2 YA),would hopefully level out the map and give the player out of control a higher chance of making a comeback happen. It's also an interesting layout item layout that has worked previously in maps (q3tourney2, and pro-q4tourney4 [which also originally had a RA instead of a 2nd YA)].

First frag has far too much significance, It's like dm6 except one player is always getting the SG spawn. It's a shame because the geometry of the map is interesting and does make for quite entertaining frags at times, I do think that swapping the RA for a 2nd YA could really do a lot for the map.

Edited by no_il at 05:51 CDT, 28 July 2012

<< Comment #145 @ 06:37 CDT, 28 July 2012 >>

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cityy - Reply to #144

Interesting thoughts.
Does anyone else share this idea?

<< Comment #146 @ 11:11 CDT, 28 July 2012 >>

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Anonymous (79.224.109.160) - Reply to #145

+1, but lets heard czm's opinion on this maybe? hes the one who "got" how the maps played.

<< Comment #149 @ 13:50 CDT, 28 July 2012 >>

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cityy - Reply to #146

I'd really be interested in czm's opinion as well. Not sure where to catch him though.

<< Comment #150 @ 12:16 CDT, 29 July 2012 >>

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no_il - Reply to #149

Baksteen actually asked him today on zoot's stream after "the last zotac", People on chat were asking czm questions, and the topic of Silence came up, czm/zoot didn't understand though that the idea was to REPLACE the RA with a YA...

<< Comment #151 @ 12:40 CDT, 29 July 2012 >>

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kK_Storm - Reply to #150

Later that question was brought up again and czm said it's not a good idea, leave it as it is. The map is still too fresh and the tactics are not developed yet.

<< Comment #152 @ 14:25 CDT, 29 July 2012 >>

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no_il - Reply to #151

Shhh=p

I still stand by my opinion that the map would play better with 2 YA (no red) (or perhaps even switching between lg/rg, as it currently feels like playing dm6 with one player always getting the SG spawn.

CZM is way smarter then me though.

Edited by no_il at 14:28 CDT, 29 July 2012

<< Comment #157 @ 03:48 CDT, 31 July 2012 >>

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I find Purri's movement on the map quite interesting ^^, did not see that on the silence duel tournament.
Purri can u provite some demos from that zotac cup, thank's
THE LAST Zotac Duel Cup (#144) - Round 4 - dimitri vs purri

Edited by Rothaarig3 at 05:05 CDT, 11 August 2012

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