This is getting very tiresome.

idd

wp by id, they finally managed to "kill the game" with minimum whine and much cheering (quake can't really die though)

how they did it? by making the paying customers feel proud, wise and superior to their fellow free players, bloating their egos, for the absolutely insignificant amount of 24€ or 48€. They now remembered after long time how wise they are and they use every single chance they get to display it and give life lessons to their so called cheap fellow players... well done

I absolutely agree with paying a sub. Was saying what the op says, maybe a year ago, if not more, not now that everybody has jumped into the proud boat. The thing is that ppl thing differently and between having a bigger, healthier community and having a tiny one, I choose the first.

Personally, I would have considered even paying far more for a sub, since the amount we spend playing values far more. Even if u cost ur time as low as 5€/hour, with 1month play time, u have spend 31 X 24 X 5 = 3720€ in ql. Why not give an additional 24€ and enhance the quality of ur time investment. But that is me. Not everybody thinks the same and we should respect that and also ql and not sucrifice it for the small chance of making few more $

BUY THE SUB STOP BEING A CHEAP YOU ASSHOLE

It's a trap. Don't pay id software anything. You may support the game, but they don't and they won't.

Do you want quake to die? If not then pay up cheapskate

Quake died a long time ago. No need to waste money.

No it didnt. Quake is still alive. See? I can play anytime I want.

only you, then.

i want id management to die. preferably starve to death

Also they supported this game by bringing us the updates. What are you talking about?

Too bad the last update sucked.

Actually it didnt. Stop being cheap and pay up

but it did.

Only thing that sucked about last update is they didn't make Campgrounds premium only.

and that are another example of the wonderful quake live community

Yes, that are.

oooooopppppsss, sooooooooorry, maaaaan, i will not sleep this night...........

Hardly anything besides the browser and database features (which I think have hardly changed over the years) and a small amount of maps, has been something original done by id. Most of the features/content has been community created.

Who should really take credit here?

and maybe the game itself? :D

You got a point there :)

But most players (not saying I am one of them) feel like they have already paid for it when they bought Q3.

To me it doesn't feel fair that a lot of what the community created is monetized by id and not given to all players. I mean it's easily worth $4 a month to spawn your own servers but the premium subscription feels like charging the community for what it has created itself to me.

It's kinda complicated - yes, community created maps should be in the free pool, but should we then pay for the standard id maps? Running servers cost money, so they must generate revenue somehow.

Kind of offtopic, but what really bothers me is the way they are "forcing" players to pay up now - instead of taking away things that were being offered for free, they should create new, original value people would give them money for. Ladders, server side demos for later watching, better social features etc are all things I would pay for.

The stuff they're doing now is just tasteless.

Well the map rotation is a good way to give every player a chance to play the maps (I don't mind them charging for maps at all, in fact I was suggesting a rotation system a few months after the introduction of premium although I have been pro myself back then). Putting only one map of the current tournament map pool in the rotation for a whole month was beyond stupid though. All players should be able to play every popular map regularly (a weekly rotation instead of a monthly rotation or have a "core-pool" thats rotated monthly and a "side-pool" with a few maps which are rotated weekly or bi-weekly)

You are exactly right, you shouldn't have to pay to enjoy a f2p game. Like you said they should've charged players for the extra stuff like ladders, spawning servers, etc monthly and have microtransactions so you can buy stuff like new maps, playermodels, lightningstyles, whatever permanently and maybe award points for playing (generating ad revenue), so players can buy what can be bought through microtransactions with their points (i.e. when they generated enough ad-revenue)

I realize this all sounds very LoL-ish but I feel that this would be the fairest especially for players who have been true to the game, maybe have had a subscription for two years (pumped money worth of two AAA titles into the game + the money he generated through ads). You just don't strip them off the maps when they let the subscription run out because they just don't have the time to play regularly but still enjoy the occasional game.

Agreed on all points; tournament maps & duel should be f2p, everything else can be payed for.

So? They had to buy the rights to the features and content. Therefore you need to pay them and support them. Stop being cheap or the game will die.

They had to buy the rights to the features and content

You don't know that and neither do I.
All I know is that when most people presented their maps or other content on here they said that id can use it for free.
Like I said we don't know but I'd be surprised if gillz saw some money for his scoreboard concept he created.
I do know though that there was some talk about paying map creators of "classic" q3 maps.
I guess we won't see people come forward and confirm so don't act like you know any details.

I'm not cheap, I don't even play the game anymore. I still follow tournaments and watch streams though.

He received money man they all did, so just be quiet and pay they deserve the money and support.

Nope they certainly don't deserve it.

they deserve nothing. our money must be earned. right now i hardly feel like paying (gonna do it anyway).

no, they don't deserve money and support, at all.

Is this like anti trolling or something? Or is this a new form of advertising "fuck you buy my shit" lol...

Why are prem/pro people so butthurt and aggressive on getting people to buy prem/pro? I was tempted to buy pro and I may even buy pro down the line but I find this "stop being cheap" sort attitude annoying.

I find both sides to be annoying. Those with the "yeah well QL has always sucked, this is the nail in the coffin, you lost a free player, fuck id" and those with the "omg you cheap asses, pay up!"

i agree but some people cant really afford a premium account,due to being young,no bank account,no money etc....

Payment options are poor, esp. for the young population - here we agree.

But having "no money" when we're talking about $2 per month? Come on, I'm from the poorest QL-playing country apart from Ukraine and this is change to me.

The problem is having to ask other people to pay for you and organizing postal orders to send them money :(

Poland is poor? Come on!

not a valid excuse

you meant to say... go prem, not pro?

same thing i'll be doing this time around after 2 years of paying for pro: i'll cancel and go with premium, there isn't much that would make me pay twice the amount right now, again :C

at least with pro u can kick someone that doesn't let u join the game after he loses (I am talking about duel)

Hey why not id is giving away free month with awards?

Prime Time
Win 100 total matches.
-> 1 prem month free

Benchmark
Win 500 total matches.
-> 3 prem months free

Gifted
Win 1000 total matches.
-> 6 prem months free

Go Pro
Win 2500 total matches.
-> 6 pro months free

Why not just pay? Dont be cheap man.

But why just pay? They don't deserve it.

I have zero bugs - I can name a couple of huge ones, some of which have been fixed and some which havent. They are not a huge deal tho, the game is mainly bug free and a marvel of programming :)

I have no netcode problems - thats nice. What if every server is 90+ ping for you? Would you still be saying this? Server quality has always been a HUGE issue (in NA).

I can get a game at any time of the day (in any mode) - I'm happy for you, but this is totally and completely false in a lot of places in the world. I can't even get public server FFA games with people anymore. And what if you are a clanner? What if you have been playing FPS games (not necissarily quake) for over 10 years and the thought of getting your quake time through the shitshow that is public servers (especially in a game as complex as quakelive) is not really one you entertain? GL finding any real clans in NA.

I enjoy this game - me too, too bad no one wants to play it here.

I have fun with this game - I had fun when people played it :)

I have met a lot of nice ppl on this game - eh, I met like three, lol. everyone else was faggoty and playing quake for ALL THE WRONG REASONS.

I understand the dev team hasn`t been around for a while because they are helping to get another game finished on time,one that will actually earn them some money. - a while? the dev team has basically been some ctf mapper doing his thing collecting paycheques and an interim they found in the etqw community making devpicks / dumb shit like domination for like years now. The original project manager was fired (or his contract was never renewed) years ago and its basically been a a given up project ever since.

I am happy - and im happy for you, its nice some people still have access to a game that is as wonderful as this. However I am not happy. There are no teams for mine to play, ping routes are garbage for me and a ton of other people (and its a ql centric problem before you go blaming isps), and even filling public servers is a very slow process that more often than not doesnt work because after some kids finally joinup they ragequit within 5 minuets because im better than your average pub player. I could go on for a long time here. If you were in my shoes, what reason do you have to pay for a sub? I play like once a month. With an active healthy community of clanners.. I'd be playing a few hours every day...

Out of curiosity, what part of the world do you live in?

Wow, Why are you being so negative and cheap? Just buy the subscription.

Here's another problem with QL: a large percentage of the players are smartass, sarcastic, idiot trolls.

All your posts in this thread. QED.

"a large percentage" .... 100%.

Aww he didn't answer your question. My guess is texas lol

zero bugs, stopped reading there, since it proved beyond any doubt u r a retard

also, have fun in next weeks zotac

Uh, there are no bugs OK just bee quiet lalala.

LOL.

no way i'm giving sync and his cronies any of my money. I just can't justify giving them money for the way they handle the workings of this game.

It is getting better every day. What are you talking about?

NOPE

>paying the same price as a modern game *every year* for a 1999 game that you can play for free
nope

just get a job man

I have a job, yet im not retarded enough to waste money.

its only $1.99/mo u cant afford that? cheap man.

I can, but there is no logical reasoning as to pay for it unless you are a gullible moron.

Pay so QUAKELIVE doesnt die. Man if it dies, its on you bro. All u.

I have to disagree with you on "its on you bro. All u."

At this point in time If I were to buy premium it would be like going into a store and the signage behind me saying "bobs store" falls down as I close the door. Now im locked in a store with no new customers and im lonely lol. Why? Because people barely idle standard servers, even the prem/pro players don't(Before it was at least 50/50 when it comes to that). The idea of the update IMO isn't that bad rotating different maps. That isn't the problem its the voting system which again isn't that bad of an idea, but it has a major flaw to it. Now I don't mind people making mistakes as long as they get fixed before any damage is done. So if quakelive did actually die I would blame it on you and the team/person behind this update for being so aggressive and stubborn.

So far I have yet seen any reasonable response's to the issues being brought up. I have even heard after a couple days of the update being out that all the mods see no problem and are saying were just being whining quakelive is dead babies...okkkk. I don't think quake will ever be dead but its definitely on a decline atm. Duels have dipped below 2000 now according to http://qlranks.com/duel/ (before it was 4000's?)


So buying premium/pro right now only legitimizes this update/attitude.

I hope it dies so people go back Q3. With a couple of players I have enough.

Bought Deus Ex Human Revolution: Augmented Edition for $40
Finished the game twice, had great fun with it. Spent some 40 hours on the game. Don't feel like playing it again, maybe in a year or two.

Got Quake Live pro for $48, played it for more than 500 hours. Still it doesn't get boring and will continue playing it. Best money I ever spent on game along with Q3.

Cool, but people that just want to play a duel from time to time can't do this anymore. I was okay with the shitty free version of QL as it was, at least I could play some lovely ztn, but now you can't even do that. Plus you can't even mote maps. I mean i'ts dumb as hell. The game is done and quakelive.com will eventually go offline.

You want ztn? Pay up like everyone else.

How about no, faggot.

OK, then you will be held responsible for killing quake. GL with that on your conscious.

I hope it dies so people go back Q3. With a couple of players I have enough.

no

also: fuck you

reported for language.

you think someone will buy premium if you make a thread about it?

you think someone will not buy premium if you make a thread about it?

shut up, troll

http://edawn-mod.org/

http://www.quakelive.com/#!premium

I better wait for Reborn and spend my money on it, than a game, that will be probably closed in a year, if not ealier.

Plus a lot of ppl in pickups showed me that a person with a pro account is probably going to be a shithead, telling me the same story of yours instead of inviting to the fucking match ONCE.

stfu and pay.

stfu and go waste your money.

If you'd know the difference between 'sub' and 'invite' people could do what you asked for, dumbass.

Do what you want. Just shut the fuck up about it.

if you enjoy playing quake and have many hours of fun, then pay ...
maybe its a problem for people from less rich countries ...
but for Western EU or US it shouldn't be a problem ...
I myself want to look into Quake Live now and see if it's fun for me or not ... I am pretty sure if I should have more than 40 hours of playtime in it ... I will pay for premium or something ...

it's true relatively speaking you get less for your buck compared to starcraft ii or diablo iii ... but still QL is the last DM game that actually has a community ... and actually I still like the gameplay of quake, the movement, the weapons rocket launcher, railgun, shotgun, other fps games are worse clones or have completely different gameplay ...

Edit: Sure, I could play Battlefield/Call of Duty/Shootmania ... but in the end they are just noobified fps games having less depth and more chaotic games

Edit2: Man, if you live here in the west, you should just look at the prices of anything, here in germany everything costs a lot of money, you don't get any decent running shoes for less than 100 euro ... if you sign up for some triathlon and you don't own a competition-passport from a club, you have to pay some community fee ranging from 10-30 euro ... that's not the fee of the competition that is around 40 - 60 euro ... man I even played fucking chess in a club and they want 50 euro per year for doing nothing for me, they just save up the money and use it for themselves ... everything has become so expensive here it's unbelieveable, be it hotels, using trains, restaurants .... games/computers are really a bargain compared to all this ... the only thing still relatively cheap is food ... but everything else, even apartment cost are on a steady rise ... I also read that a normal price for a ticket of the olympia opening in london was 1500 euro or something, just in order to be one among 50000 people to see the ceremony ... and it seems all tickets were sold ... and everything is bitching about prices in games, etc. while they have no problems overpaying anything in the world of real goods ...

also try to go to a restaurant in france, I assure you it's very very difficult to find a place where you won't spend less than 20 euro per person .... and 20 euro is much more than 24 $ for 1 year premium for quake live

I feel ya bro.

In the end it just comes down to whether you're willing to shell out those $2/$4 a month or not. Sure, you can pile up reason after reason why it's unfair, no value, whatever. Even if quake is dead in 6 months, well, maybe it wasn't the best call to spend it, but it's just $24 you lost. You took a good chance to infuse a bit of life into a hardcore niche of gaming. Often people seem to want a unrealisticly high level of guarantee of paradise, when it would be much more healthy to just see it as a possibility to be small part of something worthwhile.

geokasur dont be a cheap bitch and sponsor me for next quakecon (full flight/hotel costs ofc). Come on just pay

edit: when you devide the amount of those cost by 10years it wont look as much ;)

now that's a tricky answer!

geokasur you are a cheap bastard if you don't buy us all pro subs

just pay and everything will be perfect-many skins incoming and etc..

I have zero bugs
I have no netcode problems
I can get a game at any time of the day (in any mode)
I enjoy this game
I have fun with this game
I have met a lot of nice ppl on this game
I understand the dev team hasn`t been around for a while because they are helping to get another game finished on time,one that will actually earn them some money.
I am happy

how much do they give you to write such dull and weakly things like that? a chocobar, 2 maybe?

pay up? pay up for what? some great but ancient game which im playing for free till today, hell now I can play as much japan and spider crossings as the pros, so why would I pay? Help the game you say? a couple of bucks you say? what if I simply grudge it from id? I mean I really don't care if they can develop some doom55 for psp, nor if they can feed the kids at home, thats not something I would call significant. I still go and wizz all over your face while your kind plays some spacectf, and we'll accept each other in peace, meaning you'll spend some time writing nonsense here, and I still wont pay for something that lays on the ground, nomatter how much money I have. You clap your little hands that id managed to gave birth to a dozen brightskin models in 2012, is that your point?

like a boss

OP is a dumb-ass elitist. "I pay for game so I superior"

Imagine, if everyone paid for a subscription, we would have even more material and an even greater game. What are you all waiting for? GO PRO

All in all, I'm glad with this standard-pool-evermonth thingie.

1. Some cheap fucks pay and support the game
2. Some cheap fucks dont pay and we dont have to support them any more

win/win situation

the whole 'cheap fucks' argument is seriously starting to get on my nerves. as i said earlier there is a 100 reasons why you wouldn't get a subscription. I am a person in a situation when the sub just doesn't make sense for me (nothing to do with money) for the next few weeks (I'm a new player so never subbed before) and essentially i can't play any decent matches now. and doesn't ql really need people like me? watching every fucking stream, spreading the word etc. any new potential customer just got a giant kick in the nuts and if you really like the situation where you don't have to 'support' the cheap f2p 'fucks' then the game goes into the closed circle and eventually dies out completely... well I don't get it.
win/win??? seriously? how does exactly ANYONE win in this situation in a long run?

Waiting for the 100 reasons. I shall count them :)

every person can have a different one. I can name a few that are my personal concerns:
- awful pings since last two updates
- more of a casual player (but i still care deeply about what map I'm playing, I admit, mostly dm6 because I'm a shitter noob, but I can't even vote it when I want)
- game lacking some serious features present in modded q3 or modern competitive games
- fucked up skill (which puts me in pub server games mostly anyway, because I don't like pissing people off)
- going to adroits to smoke a toke with you so I'm being careful with money not to screw this up (suddenly this 50 bucks start to look more and more expensive)
- bugs
- premium servers not exactly thriving with life anyway
- id's attitude towards community and game's developement which puts me off from supporting the game
- uncertain future of my internet connection and ability to play, because I'm a student moving around the city quite a bit (apartment-wise) and never knowing if I'll be able to play at all
- lots of fucking work
- cooller quit gaming

sounds reasonable?:]

forgot about zotac

zotac has nothing to do with me subbing or not

89 more reasons to go.

and a patch ain't one

hit me? (and my point stands, so yeah)

if you're havin patch problems i feel bad for you, son
i got pro subscription and a patch ain't one.

discussion is pointless, you refuse to admit,
that my arguments are so much better than shit
the patch is a fuckfest , but people can't see
ql has some problems even bigger than this
my point is as clear as a summer's night sky
we need much fresh blood for ql not to die
this isn't a way that all this should go
fuck that shit after sorting my deal i'm getting that pro

maybe now you'll understand, cause it looks like my posts are so long you didn't even read them

-bad online community (the higher the days played, the badder they are)

If you guys want to spend money, do it the right way:

Support 2GD.

:DD

How about for everyone who goes pro I plus give them a plus on ESR :3

Pretty tempting proposal... but still not worth it.

Have a plus for the nice try :3

I just went pro

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/shadyak

Might have been stretching "just" a bit

Pro Subscriber
Purchase a pro subscription to QUAKE LIVE.

* Date awarded: 09/27/2010

WGAGH :dDDD

I know :)

Just subbed. :)

http://www.quakelive.com/#!profile/summary/call_me_ishmael

Thanks Ishmael.

Nope.

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The servers are terrible, I hadn't played in 1.5 years and got bored, so I tried it again. I get 70ms+ to Chicago which is where I live. FAIL.

Granted I do get around 50ms to some other servers but it's just fucking pathetic. I expected 20ms-40ms like other games.

Two playable server locations. Same here yet somehow I'm happy with it. (actually I play exclusively only one of them like many ppl around the world)

All you need is DE.

Don't call me a bastard.

Considering quake is a pretty old game with a generally older audience I highly doubt the 25/50 bucks a year is the problem.

The problem is that there's no reason to buy premium unless you for some reason think that its worth 50 bucks to occasionally stomp a pub or play some duels (both of which you could do for free).

Maybe host a cup? or get some people who share similar opinions as you to run a prem only league? Just do something to help the community rather than trolling on internet forums, and maybe you'll get a positive response, maybe even some community improvement/growth (?!?!)

Also saying that if quakelive shuts down quake is dead is absolutely retarded. People who have been playing this game, even through its shittier incarnations wont quit because one game flops hard. People will just move to a different game, maybe a different quake. Also quake-live has brought in like what 10 new people in the last year? Lol, hardly a necessity for the community.

def. Quake will not die after QL if it comes to that. I personally would move back to Q3 promode or ra3.

If QL *actually* legitimately dies, I'm going to get into QuakeWorld, or whatever Quake game the majority shifts over to.

why would you let the majority dictate where you spend your time?

playing solo is only funny for 10 minutes

if everyone just went to what they liked most instead of all flocking to something "more popular" there would be a higher overall level of enjoyment for the majority.

if everyone would yeah

If official QL dies, the most logical step imo would be QL-offline :x

i wont pay, but u can pay for me and support the game u love and a player. yea?

epic win

chi 54
va 54
ga 61
la 84
tor 45
ny 65
wa 102
tx 66

how about u start playing qw for free if u enjoy quake so much?

whos this guy anyway? megaman3 on fake account?

technically you have to pay to play qw

True haha, hitsu is such a pirate noob that he doenst realize QL is free with subscription options, while QW is non free. Poor hitsu i feel bad for him :(

he started posting to complain about lack of payment options, got owned (like 10 alternatives) and now says he didn't want to pay in first place.

his only alternative is warsow so he is promoting it, but probably doesn't realize that game has almost 0 players besides instagib, so he'll come back to QL

show me where i did say i dont want to pay for it. ow, and i bet you would sell your ass to Carmack as a payment option.

also you would be suprised how many ql players went over to wsw.


ps. please share ur thoughts after such a great event as this years qcon...

ql is unplayable atm without subscription...

qw was released on gnu, so its free...

lol @ all the people waiting for reborn and 2gd saving fps gaming...

first of all you'll need to lower your expectations bout the game. second and last, even if it will be a better game then ql (hardly, but possible), it's still gonna fail in the term of playerbase because no one gives a fuck about arena shooters for some consecutive 7 years now.

everything depends on what's trendy, hip, fashionable, talked about, etc,

2gd could make the shittiest game ever, but give a good viral marketing campaign and even your neighbour's racoon is gonna wanna play dat shiet

well i don't think the game will be bad, i just don't think there's an audience anymore for arena fps based on 1v1 gameplay.

If you have to pick up items it won't be a sucess. End of story.

here is a sure player for the next games.

Thank you id for killing Quake

http://qlranks.com/duel/

lol........

finally, that +back piece of crap is gonna die. long live team modes.

Signed: Shitty duel player

All the ZTN only players /ragequit.

I paid initially but didn't renew. There has been nothing worth paying for IMO. Am I being cheap, maybe. But personally I would rather buy new games with new content rather than continue to pay for an old game I bought long ago.

I also like watching the pro's play but don't get much enjoyment out of quake anymore. I guess age turns you into a casual gamer...

sheep basterds killing the quake

no cooller, no quakelive

players leaving the quake

quake leaving the players

I've paid for pro every time my subscription has come up, because it's the cost of a coffee each month to buy into it.

Guess what, though? I play duel and I like classic maps like aerowalk. I don't give a single fuck about FFA, harvester, random pubber maps or any of that. The money I put in pays for people to sit at a desk somewhere and connect 5 space maps, then turn on lowgrav for wacky fun mode.

This is the first time I've considered not absent-mindedly subscribing again, and it's not about the money for me at all. It's that I'm not paying for what I consume (CPMA has this map called cpm22 that's kinda like aerowalk if you cross your eyes a little).

Somebody tell me why I should continue being a rich dignified white person and "supporting" QL.

Yeah I really don't understand the extra game modes for the amount of premium/pro players. I assume most pro/prem players just play duel :>

cpm22 is aerowalk, and there is a aerowalkq3

I can get a game at any time of the day (in any mode)

not even remotely true in my experience

Ql and regular q3 are DEAD now
Sorry, op, it's time to find a new home
I'm movin to cpm this year
It's free, a proven game, and has an active community(albeit a small one)
More USA servers will be arriving later this year, so lack of servers will no longer be an excuse.
If quakeworld were to somehow grow A LOT in popularity I'd consider that as well