Tired of hearing about it? Use the internet to talk about it. Sounds reasonable.

I can only offer my sincerest apologies for making you take time away from posting in threads about a game you don't care about and haven't played in years.

sorry i live in europe, what are you talking about?

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what do you mean?!

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the worst part about this whole story is how the media feeds on it like vultures.

if you seriously hate on people who sympathize with the one or another, you are just one of them, even worse mb.

people are being manipulated, because this random felony is being used by the media like a movie

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do u think that all murder-cases get the same amount of exposition from the media?

protip: no.they are very selective, and they exactly know what reactions they will provoke

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what are u trying to say

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what was special about the zimmerman-case?

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the media almost never mentioned he was hispanic, only white.

this case proves why it's valid to have a gun for self defense. the gun was not an issue until zimmermans life was in danger, which is why it was used. the issue isn't guns, it's ill-tempered people who instead of talking about the issue decide to beat someone up over it.

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you can't know that though, trayvon could of beaten him to death that night. no one knows exactly what was said, but at the end of the day zimmerman was on the ground getting "ground pounded". he could of died that night from the assault, who knows. the gun could of saved his life.

could of

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eye witnesses

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rofl okay, i forgot you were there

black people are the most racist.

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But on a more serious note: The media is pushing this incident to provoke new race-driven riots like in early 90's in LA..

Test new areas under martial law? :]

Found this on the interwebz:

http://i.imgur.com/Pskzowl.png

I think the main theme in "the rock" is his best piece.

well the worst is dark knight rises. when the loud, never-ending soundtrack drowns out dialogue, it's shit. such a horrible theater experience.

Cmoooooooon make an effort and at least paste the right clip.

fucking aaron

it's sickening how the media handled this. if you look at the facts and nothing else, it's a valid case of self defense. it doesn't matter if zimmerman was "following" trayvon, because trayvons first reaction to this was to start beating and punching the man following him. sorry but if a guy is on top of you punching you and smashing your head against the concrete, don't be surprised when someone gets shot out of self defense.

the media showed photoshopped pictures of trayvon to make him look younger, most of the pictures they showed were him at age 12, not 17, and they even went to the extent of editing the police phone call audio to make zimmerman say something he didn't (racial slur). they avoided anything that made zimmerman look innocent, and just constantly lied to everyone making it seem like he was a cold blooded racist murderer.

anyone who feels there wasn't justice for trayvon either didn't follow the trial, didn't look at the evidence, or is just plain delusional. I don't get my news from tv or the paper, but now even websites are barely credible. I can't trust anything anymore, everything and everyone has an agenda and they will hide anything that proves them wrong.

I see a lot of my friends upset over it, all it does is show me that their sheep and just take whatever garbage mainstream media throws at them. it shouldn't of went to trial anyways.

the contradictions with yourself here are amazing

Legend...

haha seen this guys vids before, and i agree with him

here is what happened in a summary for the europeans

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It's amazing how black people can pull the race card even when they're dead.

Only cos you dummies let them.

Without whites blacks would be complete nobodies, most of the good things in the black world is due to what white people initially setup for them.

Even their sports stars are due to white intervention and the slave trade. They don't like that though cos they try to use the slave trade as a guilt trip for everything, but you caged us dawg!!!

I struggle to think of many black people who did not prosper primarily because of what white people setup for them.

Most of the countries or areas in the USA that are mostly black are quite dysfunctional.

Even in the UK black people count for high levels of stabbings and gang culture despite being a minority. There is something in their genes which is more prone to that dysfunctional behaviour.

Sadly we live in a world that lives a lie, so if you say a truth on a certain thing that a GVT or society does not want to hear, you will be tarnished as something bad and that has nothing to do with colour.

Its just a hidden rule for blanket control from GVT's.

Just so you know, without black slaves, USA and its economy would not exist, UK would be in the European gutter. Rome would not exist, and Carthage rules Europe from Africa.

Sadly, being white, you live in a white world with white buddies, so you couldn't possibly know anything outside of the predetermined exploitation turned help attitudes. You're not fit to negatively judge anything outside of your room.

Your post is so racist, don't even try to make another one.

you did a little too far with carthage ruling over whole europe [slavs powah], but yeah you are totally right.

Rome did not rule over "slavs" either, but it was either Rome or Carthage ownership of the Mediterranean and legacy/colonies/impact in Europe. I did not mean to imply anyone really ruled Europe hehe.

yeah exactly my point :-) europe is a little bigger than mediterranean, even if its root of europ's culture

"Just so you know, without black slaves, USA and its economy would not exist, UK would be in the European gutter."

So?
White people used black people as tools, that only backs up my point even more. White people have used their own people for similar purposes too and blacks would have done the same to whites if they could have. So I won't feel an ounce of guilt.

The colour of the person used to complete the work is irrelevant.
The power to command the work however takes vision, drive, control, basically something which formed many of the things which have progressed this world.

There always has to be a leader, so don't blame me for being born onto the winning team and saying it like it is..

I'm not blaming you for being born into the winning team, but you're saying it how you see it, not how it is. Your 'team' did NOT help any blacks. The fact that they are the losing team due to circumstantial reasons is why they are worse off in the society, still segregated, separated into a team by people like you, and still exploited as a minority.

And sadly its unevolved minds like yours that keep the problem going.

Right there you've given every black person in the world an excuse to BLAME white people for their past, present and future. And that is what they do.

There always has to be a leader, back in the old days where times where simpler things were defined by things like colour, it might not be right in todays more 'civilised 'world, but its how it was. Its done.

White people were simply the first to take the initiative and do what is best for them, and they did, they provided white people with the best possible start which we still enjoy today.

That's just tough shit. Its how it is, and is no different to certain families being rich and others people poor. Its the same thing, on a more personal level, families who are defined by blood look after their own.

Back in the old days, that mentality was defined by a broader term.

Its not that I do not recognise, its that I do not care, anymore than I care that my family is not rich and I was not born with a silver spoon, while some of my friends were. I accept their family did better to provide a better life. The principle is along the same lines.

Its done. If whites had not done it, another would, and black people did plenty of pillaging and raping of their own.

I'm sick and tired of black people being sore losers and people like you giving them and eternity of excuses for doing something they would have done if they had not done it first.

There are PLENTY of areas run by black people and most are shit , most Jamaicans want to be ruled by the British again, so even when white people do the right thing and return the rule of power, its not always wanted.

I don't feel a similar ounce of regret for being born to the winning team.

Survival of the fittest, my ancestors got there first and did the most natural thing in the world, to make the best possible life for their "people".

You are more than welcome to use the logic that times have changed, and that's fine, but back then, and at that time, that is how things were.

Life is one big race. Some win, some lose. Some smoke, some get smoked.

It's not "DONE". It's going on, due to racist twats like you. You are still segregating by creating false history, false premises, and subjugating.

If you did run a business, you would not hire a colored guy over a white guy. If you were a business and had colored workers, you would not give them raises as often as white workers.

Furthermore, your forefathers built communities where they walled in black people, created plantations, slave communities. Just by dropping slavery because agriculture isn't as profitable anymore and saying 'oh iz past' doesn't mean you are absolved of what your family has done, because you inherited all the wealth from the plantations. Just because the legal system is set up so that you don't inherit the liability and all the costs to human lives that your plantations have incurred, doesn't mean that these pockets of misery and shit are okey, and there is nothing to do. Your team drove them and left them there, and morally you sure as hell responsible. Even more as long as you are enjoying the crops from the fields and the flower from the mills the slaves have built. And trust me, you are, right this moment.

But no one is asking you to have regret, I asked you to shut the fuck up and stop talking about black people, because what you're saying is racist and further disenfranchising the black people.

Get it?

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Without whites blacks would be complete nobodies, most of the good things in the black world is due to what white people initially setup for them.

This literally, the most fucking disgusting NAZI shit I have seen written on this website in a while. If you don't get it, you will be on probation.

"It's not "DONE". It's going on..."

Its not disgusting to say the truth. What nazi shit have I said?
You're using modern day logic and reasoning to define primitive times.
I did not say what happened was right, I said that is how things were then. We're talking many years ago, the nazi thing was recent and done in a time where YES they really should have known better.

Its going on because its already done. Like I said, you don't get the heart of the problem. You can't accept its done. You can't accept that right or wrong, things happen in history which change things forever.

I got no issue with employing a black person, some of my fav singers and athletes are black, so you really should stop hiding behind that race card to make your point for the lack of intelligence on the related matter or ability to accept the core truth of the matter.

A) That something very fundamental and universal has happened many many years ago. And you're still bitching about the outcome.

B) That that behavior was very natural at that time and would have been committed by X if Y had not got there first.

A white group of people in a predominately black environment will be discriminated JUST AS badly as you claim white people are.

So its not even something bad and evil that white people have done.

You're blaming white people for beating black people to the punch and implying things would be any different if whites had not done what they done.

That is what is very flawed about the your logic and reasoning.

First of all, I'm not blaming white people, I'm blaming certain countries involved in the trade and exploitation on the ground. Only few select countries with Britain at the helm, and other countries or nationalities did not participate.

You do got an issue employing a black person. Because of your thoughts and attitudes you treat black people differently, regardless of what black people you claim you like.

No, a white group of people in predominately black environment will not be discriminated JUST AS badly as I claim white people are, because I don't claim all white people are racist. British superiority racist complex is unique and gave rise to Nazi Germany ideology. Before and after it allowed and justified Britain to subjugate, kill, and colonize over millions of people all over the world.

You don't know the history and how fucking racist you are, and that is why your logic and reasoning will always be flawed.

gave rice to Nazi Germany

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:D :(

I have said nothing which defines me as a racist, I have simply said that.

A) That is how things were back then.

B) That sometimes things happen in history that right or wrong just are and things grow on from there whether we like them or not.
There are plenty of welsh and scots reading this, shall we hate the English for what they did?

You have not acknowledged that black people would not have done the same thing. You have not acknowledged that white people would have been treated any differently. Both of which are CRITICAL.

All you've done is blamed a demographic for doing something first which created what you deem as a modern day problem without acknowledging that that very problem could easily exist if blacks had done the same thing first.

Even their sports stars are due to white intervention and the slave trade.

Yeah, you're not racist. You're just entitled to gratitude because you're related to people who selectively bred blacks like farm animals and set up sufficiently harsh living conditions for a sufficiently large percentage of blacks to die off.

You're welcome Tiger Woods!

Its not disgusting to say the truth. What nazi shit have I said?

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Without whites blacks would be complete nobodies, most of the good things in the black world is due to what white people initially setup for them.

Are you fucking kidding me, you don't understand whats racist and NAZI like about this statement? You're so far gone, to explain this, I would feel like explaining to white slave owner, why his black save isn't better of because he got a free ticket to USA and didn't die on the way. It's completely pointless talking to a racist who could come up with this shit.

"Without whites blacks would be complete nobodies, most of the good things in the black world is due to what white people initially setup for them."

But its true.

Let's look at the 10 most influential black people from a random list widely cited around the net, just as a snapshot...

Amazing.

Well we're never going agree are we?

srsly...ban him already...

your anti racist sentiment is nice. I believe that we're all human too. facts are facts though. show me one successful black country. one. you can say all the stuff about whites psychologicaly fucked up blacks, society etc. I understand a lot of that and sympathize. you cannot lump all blacks together but they just have never been a successful race judging by africa. look at some of the countries like sierra leone or liberia. without UN support they would literally eat eachother. the jews were enslaved and tortured yet they have greatly prospered..

Some decades ago the same was said about Chinese.

And imagine how boring basketball would be.

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-...0393317552

this is a good book on why history and earth is not a fair race

"Without whites blacks would be complete nobodies, most of the good things in the black world is due to what white people initially setup for them."

So you are one of those who think those 'lazy africans' just didnt do what they need to have success? inform yourself about history what slavery did to those african countries.. and inform yourself about what modern politics and industry still does to those countries, which holds them down..

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"Most of the countries or areas in the USA that are mostly black are quite dysfunctional."

Inform yourself how those 'ghettos' evolved.. hint: black mass migration movement from the landside in the cities.. google up why they didnt were allowed in white neighboorhoods, what happened when many big industries near those "black working ghettos" closed -> indirectly creating an under class..

And for whole countries: Guess what happens if some foreigners come to a country where people mostly live like basic naturals, enslave them and take away their natural resources.. and after that give them back atleast their "freedom"...
Yes, this country most probably will be dysfunctional..

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"Even in the UK black people count for high levels of stabbings and gang culture despite being a minority. There is something in their genes which is more prone to that dysfunctional behaviour."

vs

"Survival of the fittest, my ancestors got there first and did the most natural thing in the world, to make the best possible life for their "people"."

When it counts as an excuse to use technically not so evolved "races" concerning warfare as cheap working tools and treat them like animals because of "survival of the fittest" then the same should apply when blacks rape all those slutty dressed white females, shaking their asses and tits with miniskirts and high heels, because it would be "the most natural thing in the world".

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"White people used black people as tools, that only backs up my point even more. " + "The colour of the person used to complete the work is irrelevant."

It would be more correct when you say, they used them as animals.. and the colour of the blacks was some crucial part of it..
Guess what the word 'nigger' was used for? To dehumanize the whole black race.. but colour was complete irrelevant?..
And don't even try to mention that nowadays the word 'nigger' is represent as never before in music and media in general due to hiphop culture beeing THE MAINSTREAM..

In the beginning of rap the word 'nigger' was used to screw away white people entering the whole hip hop community but once the WHITE MEDIA promoting rap everywhere and to everyone the 'nigger'-word has still 2 meanings nowadays: Remind the black people to what most white people think of them and encourage white people to atleast think of black people as less worth than themselfs..

Remember: Those modern "rap-icons" like jayz, lil wayne etc are still black tools of white people and are more desirable for the whites in control as "black rolemodels" than some of the kind of martin luther king.

I hear what you're saying but this all comes down to blame.

You're blaming white people for doing something bad to black people many many years ago when the world was a primitive place where such things went on.

What you're not highlighting is....

You have no idea if the roles would have been reversed if another race had got there first.

What you're not highlighting is, in a predominately black environment, whites are treated in the same "lower class" way you deem white people do.

I could show you a 100 examples of black people being racist towards white people. I see no evidence that any non white people would have done things any different.

What I am seeing is white people are vindicated for doing something first at a very primitive time a long time ago where MANY OTHER hideous acts of oppression were done based on other flawed things and not related to colour.

But this hypothetical "reverse" somehow doesn't work.. what would have happened if the jews would have done a holocaust on germans? I mean they claim themselfs as the "chosen people" which is somehow almost the same mindset than the aryan mindset of the "ÜBERMENSCH" and therefor not out of believable ...(See how they treat palastine people in gaza)

But it went the way it did so no need to think about "reversed possibilites". And I didn't want to blame every white people what was done to the blacks, but I wanted to point out why and how some things in nowadays society became...

You mentioned 2pac that he taught "black thugs" to get violent. I really support this point of view here, BUT it was the WHITE MEDIA which pushed "gangsta-rap" and created a "black-rolemodel" which a) telling young poor blacks combined with the gang-culture( watch "Crips and Bloods: Made in America" -> first american "gang" was founded because young blacks were refused to join white boyscout groups and wanted something similar-> then those "gangs" which were not violent till that point got discriminated by police over and over again because of their colour) to deal drugs, rob cars and shoot each other(black genocide created by whites).

And b) creating a new old enemy for the white people to fear..

Thats perfectly done "divide et imperare" backed up by the mass media.

And I didn't write this to blame you or white people in general but only to understand why some things happen..

But one thing more to add: "You're blaming white people for doing something bad to black people many many years ago when the world was a primitive place where such things went on." The world nowadays is not a primitive place? Mega-corporations getting billions of profits while billion of people are starving to death while don't have enough to eat..

But that was just a sidenote.

Slavery is still going on in america mostly by liberals over there but black Americans are too stupid to realize it cept a few like that guy in the video above

As for black British kids they are mostly stupid as well cos they follow american shit(infact the whole UK is to Americanized) and are too stupid to realize they don't have to live that way over here

It's amazing how long someone can talk for without saying anything.

From what I've seen Demiurge, don't even bother continuing to argue with this Jamerio. Even if he is 100% wrong factually, he will still try to find a way to prove he isn't and it's quite sad that he can't admit when he's wrong and caught out. Arguing endlessly on a forum for a computer game... nice life.

You must have the wrong Jamerio....

What I said is a belief system, they are neither right or wrong.

Stick to talking about your usual boring crap, instead of trying to tarnish me with your inferior values and intelligence.

funny racist shit kissing american ass while the americans choose a black guy for president twice in a row.

well played.

Your reply makes no sense.

the slavers pick up a guy who's worth less then they are, to lead their country twice in a row.

you resemble that texas inbred cavemen mindset. you know, the people who are forced to glorify the fact they were BORN white, in lack of anything else.

did i make it clear this time?

When you're born a white British person you're towards the top end of the food chain.

I can land in any country in the world, you could get the entire population of that country to call me a racist name based on where I am from, and I would smile and cut through them all like butter because they would have nothing to sell to me :).

I could say words to those people and ruin their day in a matter of minutes. That's power, that's power that comes from my ancestors doing something to give me that power and belief.

Of course I'm going to be proud of that and grateful for my ancestors for giving me that.

Look at you, you're white but from a shit part of europe where you have little or no rep aside from credit card fraud and being poor. Your voice sounds horrible and foreign. There is really nothing for you to be proud of, so it stands to reason you would try and take me down so you feel less horrible about yourself.

I can't help it if I'm a Ryu and you're a Dan.

look, you sad basement dweller. let me explain how things work.

you represent the rock bottom of the white race. the uneducated chav, the cavemen mindset part which is, thank god, a dying breed. the fact that you were born white doesn't put you anywhere above a regular black person who tend to contribute to society in whatever way. if you need to glorify the color of your skin, that just means you have little to none going on for yourself. which is a fact, as we know.


Look at you, you're white but from a shit part of europe where you have little or no rep aside from credit card fraud and being poor.

compared to wales, my country looks like paradise. as far as the poor reference, let's see. you're broke and live with your brother at 30-something, i live with my girlfriend since i was 25, and i actually have a pretty good job. can i continue? i'll continue.


Your voice sounds horrible and foreign.

my.... voice....sounds.... horrible? did you skip your medicine again?


There is really nothing for you to be proud of, so it stands to reason you would try and take me down so you feel less horrible about yourself.

i just don't get it. i'm supposed to take you down from where? the only thing that could get worse than what you got going on in your life is if your brother was selling your ass to older men in exchange for the basement room. but after seeing your picture here, it's safe to say you need not worry.

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Interesting person!

The only nation that used black slaves at a considerable level is the usa, in the other nations you mention they barely knew there were things like black peoples...
Rome? Rome had slaves, sure, but they were white... as greece, etc.,;
In fact, it is laughable when they makes those tv series (usually americans) where you see the ancient Rome with the black/whites proportion of the actual harlem or so; at those times, the major part of the peoples never saw a black people in their entire lives;

Regarding the Britain, they never used black slaves at a consistent rate; you are thinking about colonisation, but colonisation consisted in using slaves in their own nations, never in britain.

And regarding this, british peoples used way more indian slaves than black ones.

And why would uk be in the european gutter? Only the nazis (and the french) seriously tried to conquer britain...

Carthage ruling? From africa? Romans just fought against Carthage, and they won; what does slaves matter in that regard?

You are incredibly overrating the rule of the black slaves in european hystory, which in fact is almost nonexistant;

America, on the other hand, has been built in grat percentage on the work of the black slaves, that's true.

"Europeans" don't differentiate between 'black' or 'brown' or 'not quite white' slaves. Rome imported slaves from north Africa. Further, just because blacks did not work in Europe, doesn't mean they weren't used by French, Spanish, Dutch, British all over the colonized world, they were to great financial build up of Europe simultaneously with US, for the last 3 centuries. European history as relates to the rest of the world is a history of empires and conquest, and most of that conquest was powered by exploitation of foreign lands and foreign people, more so with discovery of Americas. USA simply continued the streak, and became the leader of the pack now, as the most powerful nation on earth.

Nope, the use of non-white slaves was really little in the Roman empire compared to the usage of the "white" ones; in fact, Romans are known for having used slaves from other "european" countries, not outside europe.
Additionally, slaves could even upgrade their status, becoming free if they followed some rules that i don't remember, such as if their master decided to free them, or if they paid their debt, they aquired the status of free Roman citadin.
In fact, the usage of black/brown slaves in the europe is very little, and almost non existant compared to the violation of the rights of "europeans" peoples in the past eras by their own states.

This is the reason Europe is never considered when talking about black slaves;
Apart from France and England, but they did colonialism, which is a different thing.

colonialism and imperialism is a continuation of the same thing as well. to a roman, a black or a jew is not a different thing either. to me, and my argument, the color of the slaves skin is irrelevant the same way. what matters is that some people are not considered people and are treated as such.

Romans didn't use black or jews slaves, so the whole question is misleading.
And they sure knew the difference between black, jews, highlanders, asians, etc..

And, luckyly, today is rare to find peoples that thinks that some peoples aren't peoples.

There are, howewer, differences between peoples, differences that aren't due to education only.

That doesn't minimally change the fact that all the human beings have the exactly same dignity between them, but to refuse to recognize the various differences between the kind of peoples is bad, and just leads to mistakes, incomprehensions, and hate.

I don't know where you've been misinformed, but yes, Romans did use blacks or jews as slaves, they used everyone who wasn't a Citizen.
They might have known the difference between nationalities, but again, it mattered a lot less than the fact if they were Roman or not.

I'm not refusing to recognize that 'all people' are different, I'm refusing to recognize that it matters for the Western civilization that was built on colonialism and slave labor.

At the end of the day, if you don't have a BAFTA your opinion is worth nothing. Right JamJam?

Well not really, but I believe in hierachy.
If someone has done something at a professional level 9/10 they deserve more credit than someone who has not IMO regardless of topic, unless of course they were obviously clueless.

If this was a football forum, and you were an ex premier/championship league player, your opinion would be worth more than someone who played it at club level down the park.

You dig me?

right right

Dood you mite want to rethink that analogy, football players are think as shit i wouldn't trust their opinion on anything even football :D

You are a disgusting human being.

I thought that this event had an interesting parallel with rape.

With rape it's always wrong to blame the victim, even if a girl is in the skimpiest possible clothing in a dark ally on "rape street", and that's the way it should be imo.

With assault though there is such a thing as provocation. As a white guy if I go into the middle of Harlem with an "I hate niggers" sign ala Die Hard with a Vengeance I might be assaulted. My fault? Or is the person who assaulted me the only one who should be in trouble?

With the Trayvon Martin incident, Zimmerman was doing something that he should not have been doing. He caused the situation that led to Trayvon's death unnecessarily.

It's likely that Trayvon was way out of line beating Zimmerman so much, far more than was necessary for Trayvon to defend himself and escape from what he may have interpreted as an attack from a random lunatic.

It may have very well been self defense for Zimmerman to shoot him as arguably his life may very well have been in danger. It's a situation that he caused though, and for that I think he should share some blame.

Maybe a wrongful death suit will make for some justice, I don't know. Zimmerman getting off scott-free though isn't justice imo.

Even though this is a slippery slope in blaming the victim, I think there was definitely some provocation there. It's just that in the case of a sexual assault, if the girl was on "rape street" like I stated above, was being raped, and shot her rapist to stop him I wouldn't have any problem with that. Why? Why is it so different?

With the Trayvon Martin incident, Zimmerman was doing something that he should not have been doing. He caused the situation that led to Trayvon's death unnecessarily.

wrong, he was keeping an eye on him. yes maybe he shouldn't of got out of the car, but maybe trayvon shouldn't of begun beating the shit out of zimmerman just for "following" him

lol nigga was mad

shouldn't of

Let me get this straight.

You feel justified in following some random kid for blocks after being told not to by the police, then getting out of the car and approaching him? The guy is nervous that you're following him already. What you're doing is hostile and threatening. If you do that you may get the crap beat out of you.

I don't know anything about this nonsense besides your post, but if you're following someone, you may indeed get the crap beat out of you, but following someone is still not a valid reason for someone to to beat the crap out of you.

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The problem is with people trying to find/cause a situation in which they can shoot someone legally. Take Raul Rodriguez for example.

If Zimmerman's life was in danger then he was justified in shooting Trayvon in self-defense. It's that Zimmerman put his life in danger and someone died because of it. That's why I think he should share some of the blame.

In indirect ways we are all probably responsible for some murders, including me paying taxes while USA is invading Iraq.

This analogy is light years away from the Zimmerman incident.

That's because it's not an analogy to the Zimmerman accident. It's an example of indirect responsibility, the question being. at how many levels of indirectness should responsibility stop? 0, 1, or many?

How about:

Zimmerman at most 1 level away. (responsibility yes)

Paying your taxes that goes to fund a war.. 32958 levels away. (responsibility no)

Ok, so at 1 level of indirectness we have:
By son a car.
Son crashes and kills a young family of 4.

Father goes to jail for manslaughter of 5? Or what crime?

Common sense is required.

What's common sense in terms of legal rules that must apply universally? There is no concept of indirect responsibility in most legal systems I know of because it's not logical, and if it was enforced would violate "common sense". There is, however, a concept of increasing punishment for direct violations of laws when it contributed to unfortunate circumstances, but following someone is not such a violation.

I mean common sense examples.

What's direct and what's indirect can be debated, sometimes quite deeply.

If a person runs over someone with a car, they could have done it on purpose, it could have been an accident, it could have been due to a special traffic situation an evil person set up to cause the accident, or a bad person could have cut the vehicle's breaks. What are the levels here?

If a person controls a car remotely and guides it to run over someone, is that direct or indirect?

Provocation _does_ exist in legal terms. We don't know exactly what went on between the time the first phone calls went out and the 911 phone calls about a fight came in.

Again, see the case of Raul Rodriguez, who unlike Zimmerman was convicted. An important difference being a lack of a physical assault on the shooter.

I don't think you realize how dangerous it is to ignore cases where the shooter is deliberately placing themselves in situations where they feel they can get away with shooting someone.

The precedent being set is that you need to pretty much get away from anyone you don't know as with concealed weapon licenses you can't be sure who has a gun. If you ever defend yourself from anything, even a robbery, you can be shot and they can claim self-defense and get off scott-free.

There are a lot of people out there right now that are looking for situations in which they get to shoot someone. Since the law will protect them, and that's the way you want it all I have to say is watch out.

Just going to say you are confusing terms which are the premise of all that thought.

If a person runs over someone with a car, they could have done it on purpose, it could have been an accident, it could have been due to a special traffic situation an evil person set up to cause the accident, or a bad person could have cut the vehicle's breaks. What are the levels here?

There are no levels here, as in zero. The alternatives here are not levels of causality, but levels of intention, premeditation, negligence.

If a person controls a car remotely and guides it to run over someone, is that direct or indirect?

Direct.

Provocation _does_ exist in legal terms. We don't know exactly what went on between the time the first phone calls went out and the 911 phone calls about a fight came in.

Thats the unfortunate part, Zimmerman could have broken the law, but it needs to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Just 85% or 99% sure is not good enough, as they tell the Jury.

I don't think you realize how dangerous it is to ignore cases where the shooter is deliberately placing themselves in situations where they feel they can get away with shooting someone.

And I don't think you realize how dangerous it is to begin convicting people for non-factually proven suppositions of their intentions by picking the 'guilty' motivation of their actions when it could have been an innocent one.

And I don't think you realize how dangerous it is to begin convicting people for non-factually proven suppositions of their intentions by picking the 'guilty' motivation of their actions when it could have been an innocent one.

You heard Zim on the 911 call, "these assholes, they always get away". He had already made up his mind that Trayvon is a criminal and wants to arrest him himself. He had called police, but did he wait for them to arrive? No. He was asked to stopped following him, did he? No. "We don't need you to do that" is cop language for "don't do that" to me, and the way Zim said "kay" makes it clear to me that he understood.

Look at it this way:

1. A man with a gun who is not a police officer or authority of any kind chose to pursue an unarmed teenager who had done nothing wrong.

2. The man with the gun chose to initiate a confrontation with the teenager after he was advised not to by dispatch.

3. As a result of the confrontation the man with the gun shot the teenager to death.

4. The man with the gun gets off scott-free.

These are facts. We aren't making wild suppositions here. We know what happened. Zimmerman sharing some of the blame sets a precedent that gun-toting cop wannabe's will be held accountable for playing judge, jury and executioner.

this is the problem

2. The man with the gun chose to initiate a confrontation with the teenager after he was advised not to by dispatch.

WRONG

Trayvon came to him after Zimmerman lost eye contact. Trayvon started a physical altercation and started kicking the shit out of Zimmerman

I'm tired of people thinking he hunted this guy down. he didn't.

here's an easy solution to this problem, maybe someone like Trayvon shouldn't start physical altercations with other people just for following him.

Trayvon was a pot smoking, gun selling, fighter wanna-be. None of that was used against him in the trial as evidence (because it had nothing to do with the current situation) but the facts are still there. Trayvon was an asshole for fighting Zimmerman, and that cost him his life

Zim got out of the car and approached him.

Fact.

So? Is there a problem with approaching someone?

If you follow a stranger then confront them they might find you threatening.

You could always balance it out and become a Russian sleeper in a high profile US state where the enemies future leaders are made?

Failing that, just buy a V8 and think of the wonderful gas prices you're getting.

The world is not equal, it never will be, there will always be people pushing to take it over and spread their way.

Its natural. Don't fight it, just make sure you're on the winning team.

The sooner you realise that is how life has always been the more at peace you will be. you could live out a 1000 lifetimes and it would still be the same on your last day as it is today.

I sleep a lot already.

I knew it!

you are right with a lot of stuff here.

shame you seem to have lost your idealism

Except that nothing points to Zimmerman purposely putting his life in danger.

Zimmerman left this car to look for where the "suspicious" person (Travyon Martin) had went to give directions to the police. After Zimmerman went to look for Martin the 911-dispatcher (which by the way does not have any legal authority to issue commands) asked Zimmerman whether he was following the man to which he replied "Yeah". The dispatcher then said "We don't need you to do that" to which Zimmerman replied "Ok." and stopped looking for which direction Martin had gone. Then Martin jumps him (after a short conversation) and after 40-45 seconds which consist of:
- Martin breaking Zimmerman's nose (a misdemeanor/felony)
- Martin assaulting Zimmerman AFTER he is already on the ground, stomping his head to the ground (felony battery)
- Verbally threatened to kill Zimmerman (and supposedly reaching for Zimmerman's gun)

Now who really put whose life in danger?

This is the defense story which all the forensic evidence and witness testimonials support:
http://i.imgur.com/TLIeLto.jpg

I got that link from this post on Reddit which you should read if you care about the facts (please forgive me for linking Reddit).

I recommend watching the raw court videos but this is also a good watch (at least the part that addresses the Zimmerman case):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc

What was he doing that he shouldn't have been doing? The operator didn't seem too concerned when he/she knew Zimmerman was out of the car. All they said is "we don't need you to do that." That doesn't sound like, "Stay in your vehicle sir" to me. You know, if I'm a kid walking alone at night and see someone in a car I think is following me and/or checking me out, you can be damn sure I'm going to take that cell phone I have and call the police. Secondly you can better believe I'm going to try and get away from the person as quickly as possible and I'm not going to stop until I know I'm somewhere safe. He didn't do either of those did he?

He didn't even bother to mention he actually lived there when approached, at least according to his own friend. Which ok, she does seem to be a banana or two short of a bunch, but she didn't appear to be holding anything back on what the kid was telling her.

The way I see it, it comes down to a physical altercation between two people. At some point during that altercation one of the people fears for their life.

I remember some years back a guy in Texas called 911 when two men were robbing the house next-door. It's been a while but I could've sworn the operator clearly told the guy several times not to go outside and do not confront them. But he did and the case never went to trial. I don't think disobeying a 911 operator alone is a criminal action.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphoto...7746_n.jpg

also it's very weird now that one guy was arrested for talking shit online in a video game.. but what'll happen with all those guys threatening to kill Zimmerman on facebook/twitter?

America...

Well he did walk up to a kid unprovoked and shot him.
If there was a conflict it was because Zimmerman was following/stalking a child late at night.

Although Zimmerman was told not to go after the kid he himself decided to go for a nigger hunt and shoot a child basically.

I think it's safe to say that esr is THE WORST forum to discuss this type of shiet

But a great baseline to begin further discussion somewhere else! :) ESR STILL gets it done.

thread delivers

So many words....

Racism is still alive, and well in Murica. I'd love to see people's reactions if Trayvon Martin was a white kid.

ain't nothing wrong in administered dosage of racism.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/0...0dmMThKESU


Yeah Murica!

black people don't care about black on black crimes.

who gives a fuck really. remove the skin color from the equation and this is a common story.

iirc people even almost rioted when the police shot a drug dealers dog recently.

gotta keep em busy.

You have to be kidding me, just watch the video tape, some piece of shit tried to play the gangsta style but surprise surprise someone decided to simply shoot him for the sake of humanity.

About this racist shit, just look at the statistics from the USA:

Philadelphia (45 % black in 2010): source

In summary, majority of killings (80%) was caused by Afroamericans in 2007-2010.

On the other hand, the most peaceful states by Institute for Economics and Peace
Guess what List of U.S. states by African-American population
Plus the most peaceful states (Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota i Utah) have liberal gunlaws:

Add this 72% of black babies born to unwed moms
Atlanta (54% blacks) - Atlanta Police Department around page 11 there are some stats by race.

And this is quite astonishing Homicide trends in USA in 1980-2008
You can view the stats by race, the most informative is table 7, it looks like Afroamericans who were 13% of population caused 42% homicides. Plus you have to notice that Hispanic are omitted thus probably took for whites.

And there is much much more, feel free to investigate.
All of the above was collected by kawador from Polish Libertarian forum. I'm just a lazy fuck copypasting.

What I want to point out here is that you have to take into consideration those facts before judging Americans whether they are racist or not. I guess it's not so easy to stay tolerant and progressive when you can see some things with your own eyes in your district. It's simply safer to take some precautions(or even avoid them?) during contacts with blacks, seems like a normal thing in these circumstances.

Plus the problem seems to be really distant to me, I live in Poland and the population consists of... maybe 99.9% whites.

Oh they don't like it when you used factual stats.
DIdn't you know the race card conquers all?

There is similar data all over the world too for example in London..

Around 92% of gang rapists in London are non-whites/ immigrants, 50% of victims are white.

Blacks representing 12% of the London's population commit more 67% of gun crime, 54% of muggings 33% of sex crimes :

Wherever ever you go around the world the data is pretty much always the same.

But you're a racist if you point this out, no you're a fucking idiot if you do not!

If you had that level of data for the stock exchange you would be a billionaire.

We seem to live in a cancerous time where minorties are trying to use racism cards against 'us', but as time goes on they keep providing the most interesting data about their negative impact.

news at eleven: poor, uneducated people commit more crime.

you're not a racist because you point out a valid problem with those statistics, it's the fact that you use it to reaffirm your hatred of people who are different from you.

a nice little circlejerk of bigotry.

the fact that you use "us" is so telling that i'm close to throwing up.

if given the same chance there's no difference between people of different races, sexes, sexual orientation, spirituality.

so fuck off you dumb faggot and suck some black dick, something that you are obviously very keen for

if given the same chance there's no difference between people of different races, sexes, sexual orientation, spirituality.

To imply that men and women are somehow even close on same perimeter on agression and violent crime, is to live in more denial than Jamerio.

I don't hate people who are different, I hate people who come into functional countries and fuck them over with the same problems that fucked up their original home land. Raise loads of shitty babies screwing up the public health service, schools cos they have to have 50 million kids, call themselves British or American and breed a chain of degenerative off spring who grow up feeling like outsiders and end up causing problems, as is going on all over europe.

There is a very valid difference. When you factor in many (not all) of these fuckers are blacks and muslims, then yes, I hate many of them for a valid reason, I don't trust them, I don't want them here, its my fucking country, my ancestors worked for it and if I want to say it I should/can/will. The same applies to gypsies, and certain eastern euros so it has NOTHING to do with colour, that's just something low intelligence losers like you try to elevate people like me to.

Especially when there is clear data which shows there are problems from within certain demographics.

You're not going to win this discussion with your low level attacks.

low level attacks, that's cute coming from a racist

"Around 92% of gang rapists in London are non-whites/ immigrants, 50% of victims are white.

Blacks representing 12% of the London's population commit more 67% of gun crime, 54% of muggings 33% of sex crimes."

Not racist, just correct about an issue minorties or left wing loons like you try to intimidate people into sharing your belief system in order to get your way.

People like me are onto you.

Not questioning your facts and statistics here, but as you mentioned before the hypothetical question 'wouldn't have blacks treated whites in the past the same bad way if they would have had the power to?', I now ask the hypothetical question: 'wouldn't those facts you stated here reverse aswell, if the whites would live mainly in ghettos and would represent the majority of the poor people while on the opposite the blacks would represent the majority of the rich people?'

In my oppinion this whole 'race-question' is made up by the media because it's easier for people to hate other ethnicities and blame them rather than hate the system which made those problems..(and of course its not in the favor of the media to critize the system in that way, because they serve the system..)

I really see it more as poor vs rich than black vs white..

you get it.

a giant majority of black and brown people are just as ashamed of their respective retards as i am about white trash racist cunts like jammer-io

It doesn't matter, the bottom line is these problems come with certain minorities time and time again. Its hard data which is repeated from country to country. It doesn't move me one inch that other minorities of the same race are ashamed.

That's like saying a mother is ashamed of her son for raping your daughter. It doesn't make a single difference because that changes nothing.

Its not something countries like mine should be forced to deal with, just because 10000's from XYZ want a better life.

I'm not white trash or racist, like I said, this is a buzzword minorities or left wing mopes like you use to try and enforce your views.

You're so easy to beat.

this isn't an argument, there's no denying that you're a racist piece of shit who fails to see the bigger picture.

Keep hiding little child, you're getting destroyed and trying to hide behind your little over used keywords that are quickly losing any impact in this world :)

You are easy.

if i were so easy you wouldn't have to drown out the thread with a million replies repeating the same old bullshit, like you always do

"Not questioning your facts and statistics here, but as you mentioned before the hypothetical question 'wouldn't have blacks treated whites in the past the same bad way if they would have had the power to?'"

I refuse to believe that anyone has an excuse to rape or kill someone these days for the reasons many of these minorities do.

The problem comes from countries like mine opening the doors to everyone without any consideration how backwards and different many of the people are.

The result is many of these people come from primitive unevolved countries and are plonked into the middle ofmodern London over-night, some assimilate, others end up feeling lost and not part of anything.

Its this is what I am attacking, its color related because most white people have similar goals, most have the same religion and values.

When you start importing people like muslims (yes most are brown), and africans, you're dealing with a greater percentage of potentially much different people, so the chances of them failing goes up.
Especially when many of them setup mono cultural hell holes where no one but them go and they do not adopt the values of their host nation, but carry on living how they would at home. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Importing people who do that and ALLOWING them to do that because your GVT are weak and intent on committing cultural suicide while sucking cock from random "leaders" in Brussels who want to turn the EU into a superstate to rival the US, while not realising that the reason the US was so successful is because most of them have the same core values and background .

I don't accept I have to put up with that. You would not inject something into your bloodstream without knowing what it is, and what its going to do, so why would you do it with people?

Because they are people?

What you now have mentioned is the problem of the globalization itself. People in '3rd world countries'(as cheap working slaves or by getting robbed of their mineral resources, which usually destroys any possible economy in those areas) suffer from the starving of profit by western mega-corporations.

Which a) is necessary in the capitalism, because you can't do profits while everybody benefits from it. In those dimensions we talk about, those gigantic profits are only possible at cost of many to benefit a few(talking about the profits themself here, not about the cheap consumer goods all the sheep can buy because of it.)

And b) when those people in the '3rd world countries' see how good a life can be in the western world compared to their own countries, it's a natural thing that they want to live there.

"The problem comes from countries like mine opening the doors to everyone without any consideration how backwards and different many of the people are."

"THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Importing people who do that and ALLOWING them to do that because your GVT are weak and intent on committing cultural suicide while sucking cock from random "leaders" in Brussels who want to turn the EU into a superstate to rival the US.."

First thing here is, the EU doesn't want to rival with the US, they want to merge with it(Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement (TAFTA))

And don't think the government is weak because it does laws which don't benefit the people but only the industry. With this multiculturism, where you state "When you start importing people like muslims (yes most are brown), and africans, you're dealing with a greater percentage of potentially much different people.."
and "Especially when many of them setup mono cultural hell holes where no one but them go and they do not adopt the values of their host nation, but carry on living how they would at home." there come 2 points:

1) the more poor people you have in some certain area, the more of them would work for less and less money(<- benefits industry)

2)the more people from different heritages and cultures you have in some certain are, the higher are the chances that more turbulences occur and people WANT to be more controlled.(<- benefits state in kinda the same way, like those 'terror'-false flag attacks do.)


On a sidenote:

1) the more poor people you have in some certain area, the more of them would work for less and less money(<- benefits industry)

But there has to be a limit. Its funny cos in the UK we got all the poles shitting themselves cos the Romanians are going to start pouring over here in 2014 and working for less, essentially put them in a situation they put many british people in. What next, when do you we ship the Ethiopians over who'll work 12 hours a day for a bowl of rice and fuck everyone over?

You forget when immigrants come here many come here with the intention of going home with a nice profit due to exchange rate and are prepared to live in squalor, where do the British people go, when their houses cost an average of over £160k throughout the UK and well over 200k in London. You literally have many of these immigrants living in a shed, what do you expect British people to do, compete with that? Its BS.

The result of this is not good for anyone unless your ambition is a civil war which is what will happen, and when it does, I can assure you that things like COLOUR/RELIGION/PLACE OF ORIGIN will be the initial defining factors that get attacked.

The only longterm future I see for this world is.

1% of the population being rich. The rest being broke and as that realization filters down into the minds of the less smart, life is not going to be very fun.

Hence why I am saving as much as I can and moving somewhere quiet and cheap for early retirement.

Somehow I think you understood me, that I would support those political and economic developments, but I really despise capitalism, just pointed out why and how some things happen, starting from our topic in the beginning.

But what you wrote in your last post, atleast to one of the things I mentioned, I can completely agree with.

PS: Accidently [+] you :]

the fact that you still believe the in left-right paradigm tells me so much about your antiquated tribal view of the world.

which is ironic, as that's exactly what bigots hate most about "those damn asylumseekers"

Yes, bigot is also one of the buzzwords people like you hide behind.

The left wing term is perfectly acceptable. It has nothing to do with my view on the world, its a term used to describe people who accept or support social equality no matter what the consequences.

I.E. idiots like you. Who are usually one of the people it defines, or some student tosser who thinks he knows everything, without actually knowing anything.

You wouldn't let someone look after child without knowing anything about them.

You wouldn't taste a substance without knowing what it is.

You wouldn't invite a stranger into your house for a cup of tea.

So why the FUCK would you let in 1000's or MILLIONS of people from foreign countries (many of whom have problems) without carrying out any checks on them?

Cos their right to be here exceeds the rights of the people who made that country what it was?

B U L L S H I T

The process is idiotic, this is what I am highlighting, that does not make me racist, or a bigot, that makes me very smart.

if some poor uneducated schmuck from pakistan can do your job better than you, then you have failed.
not the person just wanting to live a better life.

why do you think they let them in?

it's a great tool to keep the native underclass busy, having somebody to kick down to as well

i bet if you were not such a white trash racist we could agree on many points that are wrong with immigration and social justice

if some poor uneducated schmuck from pakistan can do your job better than you, then you have failed.
not the person just wanting to live a better life.

Who said anything about them doing anything better?
Though I'm sure they can cook a curry and cold call like there is no tomorrow

why do you think they let them in?

it's a great tool to keep the native underclass busy, having somebody to kick down to as well

i bet if you were not such a white trash racist we could agree on many points that are wrong with immigration and social justice

you're such angry clueless child, every point you make you shout racist and make unspoken points like above which are not even true. I have no doubt you're one of those immigrants whose only point is to try and bully your way into countries whose native people made a country that you dreamed of being part of, but were born to a demographic who were incapable of doing the same thing. You are so constantly outclassed by me.

you should've called me "bruv", then i would have plussed you.

I'm not black or a chav from walthamstow...

yea, your ancestors, not you, worked for it.

wtf have you done to further advance society? nothing, just stfu

You have to be kidding me, just watch the video tape, some piece of shit tried to play the gangsta style but surprise surprise someone decided to simply shoot him for the sake of humanity.

To be fair, this attitude certainly isn't exclusive to black people. It's not a black thing, it's a retard thing. It's like someone was watching The Maury Povich show while listening to rap one day and decided to combine the two and make a lifestyle out of it.

I mean, we're talking middle class to upper-middle class here. The closest these kids have come to poverty is having the battery die on their cell or tablet. Where are the parents? How on earth could you just stand by and watch your child act like this and think it's normal? It's unreal.

Of course it's not exclusive to blacks.

Yeah for us it's unreal, but it looks like it doesn't work that way in their culture.

I live in Poland and the population consists of... maybe 99.9% whites

Yet its full of nazi's over there that have to still hate on black people cos you're the bottom of the pile in europe, grats

Tbh I have no clue how you could link 'hating blacks' with being on 'the bottom of the pile in europe'. I don't know how they can hate blacks if blacks are not here thus have zero impact on Polish life.

I might not be up to date with mainstream but I don't see any nazis here, unless you use this term with your own, made up meaning (getting very popular nowadays). Though it's getting full of nationalists.

Why do you congratulate me?

Just going to say Jamerio happens to be an immigrant minority, who is poor and uneducated. Those are all the aspects he is criticizing on this thread.

Ironic given you are from South America.

Stop trying to speak on my behalf, you constantly misrepresent me, in other threads I called you bluff and asked you to quote me.

Such is your lies you won't even provide a quote to the things you tell other people someone said.

You are no one.

When did this turn to me about me?

As for the rest, this whole thread.
http://esreality.com/post/1713370/personality-disorders/

And there we go with your usual irrelavent crap, you're boring and Iv'e shit on you so many times for fun.

You're incapable and utterly powerless against me.

1.- You come from Wales and English is not your first language (immigrant).
2.- All the info we have of you indicates a serious lack of money. Right now you live at your brother's house at your close 40s and at your so called financial prime you attended a lan with charity-like clothing and blamed $5 hardware, then didn't buy your first pc (which you work with and serves for your hobbies too) until like 10 years of working time and so on (poor).
3.- You did not finish high school, your priorities are entirely screwed over and, tbh, your writing skills, general knowledge and logic are at best the equivalent of a 16yo (uneducated).

All that info is on that thread, wrote by yourself, and a lot more, particularly on the second regard. I'm only adding the obvious one word conclusions inside the parentheses and recommending that thread since it's one of the funniest/saddest on this site.

That info isn't irrelevant considering black people tend to commit and be victims of more crimes than whites precisely for those factors, not because of the genes involved in their skin color. In jamerio's terms, "your a nigro BRUV wit a whit suit", so I can't see why would you have something against them.

So let me ask you a question: are you really a racist or are just trying to get attention here once again? I have np with people being racist or anything else that is sociably considered to be positive or negative, as long as they have good grounds on their beliefs, such as facts against that race (even though the term 'race' is outdated), trauma, etc. Haven't seen that from you yet, whether the answer is the first (racist) or the second one (crawling for human contact, at least virtual).

All the info we have of you indicates a serious lack of money.

OH REALLY?

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12365870/...or-fun.jpg

As for the rest of your nonsense, you've tried this before, for example of the keyboard issue had nothing to do with 5 dollars, it was because it was a CUSTOM KEYBOARD which I could not replace on the day.
http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/20...yboard.jpg

I hate to say it to you, but the welsh are not IMMIGRANTS in the country of the united kingdom. English has nothing to do with anything, other than your stupidity that you think Britain is England.

The living arrangement is convenient as I would rather pay money to a family member for RENT, than some random land lord until I decide where I want to settle and I will buy outright.

I did not read the rest of your petty, mis-representative diatribite because its always the same with you.

Haha, you are utterly powerless

how about high school ? you didn't elaborate on that

I finished high school and got a job so did not need to go to university..

I see nothing particularly impressive about getting into 30+k of debt to learn a curriculum shared by a million others and still having no practical work experience at the end of it.

Besides, there was very little going on in the mid 90's that was related to videogames, its an industry you're best of getting into with mods and self learning.

EIGHT THOUSAND $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ WELCOME TO THE 1%

Money: The thread dude, the thread. There's nothing to discuss on that matter.

Keyboard: absurd excuse. It truly is illogical.

Immigration: Wales isn't the same country as England, legally and in living conditions, and in another thread you implied English isn't your first language. That sounds like an immigrant to me.

Home: Are you still not allowed by him to make any noise at night, like you posted at shoryuken? How come your brother is much wealthier than you are?

Education: you admitted you didn't finish high school when you were supposed to and we don't have confirmation that you finished it afterwards. Right now it's a claim, just like others that were proven wrong in the past (again a reference to the personality disorders thread).
Even then that's no achievement at all now that everyone has a degree, so it's still uneducated compared with british people and with us.

And keeps dodging questions.

Keyboard: absurd excuse. It truly is illogical.

How is it illogical?
You can quite clearly see the keyboard I used was hideously modified.
It was irreplaceable within the time frame of the event.

What was I supposed to do, source a discontinued keyboard, get my electric saw out and start making a new one within the space of 90 minutes before the games started?

Stuff gets damaged in transit all the time. Especially when its carried halfway across the country in a rucksack.

ask anyone for a keyboard or spend $5, get used to not pressing the buttons right to the arrow keys, change binds if necessary (it's the same as in ESDF).

When you have such an odd keyboard its not practical to adjust to another configuration without some serious investment of time.

It would have been pointless. Get over it.

Shit gamers adjust. Good gamers adapt.

Not within an hour.

he lies about who he is, his name is some guy who worked at rare that isn't him. he even lied about his fucking name.

the guys a loser. nothing more than some random with a broken keyboard and a video of some cash that isn't even his.

why he's still allowed on this site is beyond me

i came to the conclusion that the money is actually his. you can easily calculate the number of unemployment checks he saved at the bank since the moment he moved in with his brother till he made the video. it's probably somewhere around couple of 1000 pounds within years and years. after all he says he's saving for a place of his own, so with this strategy he'll get it by the year 2214. at one picture there was even something like a money withdrawal form at the top of the desk if i'm not mistaken... so it seems that everytime someone says he'll poor, he'll run to the bank and withdraw his 80 unemployment checks to rub it in someones face. the guy's got class.

its Simple do you aspire moving to another country adapt to there values and culture if you do not wish to stay where the fuck you are nothing comes without cost either accept that or stay away

no i dont have anything against any particular ethnicity i do however have a problem with leaches they come in every color but if ppl have nothing to offer to your country do not let them in

but if you question anything accepted by the general public ´´read sheep´´ you will get the race card dealt its the easyest way to stick your head in the sand and ignore the real problems

stop the slavery nonsense, it never went away, and never will, we are all slaves to some degree nowadays

i find th title of this one very fitting

Lethe is quite good at putting Jam in his place and he definitely deserves it for all the crap he puts out here. But in the end it just feels like making fun of someone who is mentally challenged with the difference being that people with a handicap that I met were quite cool whereas Jam is just a bitter angry runt.

Be happy Jam. Meet a girl and leave all them wooly sheep alone k!

That would sound a lot better if I had not got him banned from quakelive.

http://www.esreality.com/index.php?a=post&id=2013697

Go away little random coward. I probably got you probated or banned here too and beat your ass at quake.

Watch the game that started all the rage.

I see you still have difficulties with reading comprehension. Lethe was never banned so I guess by your own admission it does sound right. That makes me very proud of you Jamie. Admitting you have issues is the first step towards recovery.

It’s highly unlikely though you would beat me at Quake considering you are ranked tier 3 at quakelive duel and lost 75 percent of your matches.

Cheerio Jamerio

I was ranked tier 3 and lost 75% of my matches because I hardly played any quakelive, and when I did I always in a horrible rusty shape so any results your saw would not have reflected anything.

Cheers loser. Its always amusing to put people like you in your place.
And unlike you, I don't need to be misrepresenting or inaccurate to do it.

sorry wanker, i don't understand what you mean

that video is awful, kill yourself

You're no czm, kgb or tyryl.

I would have named visje... but he's french so he's not a real person.

http://jfbelisle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/...arison.gif

So he's made out of really good weed....

It's not my fault Euros aren't creative enough to come up with original flags. America got it right. Stars and stripes. We also rule the world if you were unaware of that.

I'm writing a letter to the president to force France and the Netherlands to switch flags and languages so that I'm right. They'll be changing the names of their countries too!

You're not real either.

wait...








what?

Oh god and I was wondering how this thread suddenly has 300 replies within a day or two

i'd normally never post in a thread like this, but the shameful display of hatred got me all riled up.

now that i found out that jamerio is welsh i feel bad about it.
can't expect that much from people with webbed feet

No hatred, just justified observations on a taboo topic that cocks like you try to avoid by stigmastising people for pointing them out. i put up the best points in this thread.

Will do you a deal though...

When black people stop showing universal spikes in crime and gang culture WHERE EVER they go then I will change my opinions.

When Muslims stop bombing people, sneaking halal meat into the food chain and generally convince me they are not a civil war waiting to happen then you'll see a change in my views.

But the real taboo topic for our "western world view" is, that the western capitalist countries are the real axes of evil. And I doubt that muslim extremists would bomb people, when not the "world police" would infiltrate islamic countries to bring them "freedom", "democracy" and capitalism by bringing them a genocide with uranium enriched ammunition and steal all their natural resources..

And make any ethnical group in some certain society the poorest and you will see, that the spikes in crime and gang culture for this ethnical group will grow immense.

Eventhough you like to discuss and stuff, you have a really one-sided worldview here, which, no offense, seems like really bad education. But education nowadays is based mainly on getting a top position in any job and work as "machine" rather than understanding the world and learn to think free anyway..

Start to think bigger, connecting the dots on the big picture, like identifying the Big Dipper.

That old chessnut. Endless justification for whatever anyone else does.

Let me tell you something, London is not a 3rd world hell hole (though it will be one day), it doesn't matter where black people go, or how rich or poor the country they live in is, the data is pretty much the same the world over, its not good and there is a clear correlation that there is a problem. There are plenty of much poorer people who don't go round in stupid little street gangs stabbing each other. The average black person does not give a shit about what happened to their ancestors, many of whom were sold out to white people BY THEIR OWN ANCESTORS. Black people allowed themselves to be manipulated, whites did not, whites are enjoying the benefits of that past leadership, blacks are not. Its same in every country, regardless of colour, just as some kids are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and others are not.

I'm not talking about pirates in Africa, I'm talking about large swathes of British born black people who live in London who had every opportunity to make something of their lives , even those from poor families have money paid to them every week and a roof over their head. There are people who would kill for their opportunities.

As for the middle east thing, I think the sympathy card ended when they flew a plane into the twin towers and killed nearly 3,000 people and have since go on a mission to kill as many as people as possible with no code or conduct.

Even in times of war, there are still codes of honor to be followed.
Of which are not followed by muslims. Killing people in countries like the US or UK is not going to achieve anything.

If they want to make a difference, jump on a plane and go fly to the countries where they deem the conflict to be. You don't set out to kill innocent people on a sustained basis for the very countries that let you in given 99.9% of those people have no influence, in fact, the chances are you are killing people who support your cause, when you kill people like that, you do your enemies work for you.

I also don't believe its as simple as oil. There are plenty of things to dislike and liberate in the middle east. Someone has to do it, if you come across a fight in the street, do you let it go on if you see someone getting heavily punished?

Most decent people will intervene, some will be thanked for it, others will be attacked for it.

One day, the US will probably be thanked for it.

Can you imagine the horror of being born in those countries?
Of being brainswashed from birth?
Of being mutilated?
Beaten?
Having your hand chopped off for a petty crime?
Or being raped as a child and forced to marry some old man?

That sounds like hell to me, and its not because I am brainwashed, its a natural reaction any person who has had the luxury of a free life.
Something which people in those countries do not.

There are PLENTY of things that deserve to be changed in that neck of the woods and there are PLENTY of people who want the US and their allies to rescue them.

What's wrong with taking payment in oil, they have nothing else.
I'm not saying oil is not a factor, but there is plenty of work to do there.
Perhaps the US should stay out and let them get on with it, but if they did that, they would probably be criticized for allowing it to happen.

If I take out a bank loan and default, the finance company will take whatever assets I have that will help to repay it.

Don't forget, there is the small thing of a bunch of nuclear weapons in certain countries being run by nut jobs too.

The money the US has spent they probably could have developed a new energy source by now anyway.

Nobody knows the full complexities of the situation, but there is still no excuse for how many of those demographics behave.

Everybody wants to blame the USA for everything. Its tiring.

Let's agree, that we don't agree on this topic. You are "Pro-West", I am "Pro-Peace".. but everbody has his own view on truth and justice..



PEACE

Its about gun control

Saw every second of this case. It was sheer domination from the defense from beginning to end. Thank the evidence and law.

Any sane rational person already knows this.

Period. The end. Go home n00bs. This case was EASY.

Thankfully I saw a pole (edit: poll) recently on the laughington post here in America and most of us n00bs feels the trial was just.

(like I care what most of us think, just sayin')

pole

With "pole" I have no idea what I was talking about. Usually come here after a vodka or two!

Oh.... duh... poll is what I meant to say lol

Good god. Someone help my drunk ass.

but obama black. fuck romney!

How can we even be sure he is black WITHOUT HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?!?!?!

y wud obama lie? a brotha never lies

Unlike Europe being white is a sin. Unlike Europe - here, you are a sinner at birth - a racist.

Collapse is near, but maybe not.

P.S. imo the real problem lies in the right to bear arms

The difference is he is black, even though the "shooter" was hispanic, Obama is still trying to patronise everyone to do some soul searching on colour, implying this kid was singled out because of his colour.

Basically, if anything happens to a black person at the hands of anyone other than a black person, its racism. I dare say that very same officer followed white people too, and the difference being, the white people probably did not start acting like they have a chip on their shoulder and invoke a struggle.

ITS THIS BS which winds me up and what I refuse to follow or adhere to.
Ironically its some kind of twisted reverse racism that black people feel justified in using over non blacks which sounds like racism to me.

That reverse racism is pretty consolidated here in my country, an example: negro and blanco are both spanish words (meaning black and white), here black people refer to us as 'blanken' (dutch for white people) but we are not allowed to call them 'negers' (dutch for black people) because according to them it's historically connected with slavery. Even saying 'zwarte man' (zwart litterally means black, as in the colour) can be interpreted as in insult. In the left-winged media of my country, we refer to them as 'donkere mensen' (dark toned people) because all of the other words are 'racist'. In return, they call us blank (white) and wit (white as in the colour) and we take no offense from this at all...

P.S. my gf is half black and she agrees with me on this :p

P.S. imo the real problem lies in the right to bear arms

That's the dumbest shit I've heard for a while. Care to elaborate?

I think he is saying the real issue is murder, not racism.

Ofcourse it either had to be a Fin or 'Murican to rage over the gun issue, because it's fairly easy to obtain one in those countries. Nzr0 - that's basically what i was trying to say, 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' is true in a way, but if Zimmerman was a volunteer watch armed only with a walkie-talkie (like in my country) none of this 'racial' shit would have gone viral. IMO there are 2 major problems that needs to be adressed in the US atm, the gun law (dating from 1791, move on please) and this left-winged media supported reverse racism campaign.

Sure, but the man might be dead if he didn't have the gun, so it really turns out to be great for his self-defense. Loss of life is sad, but it could have been the other way which would not have been fair.

And you can't get concealed carry in Finland for self-defense as far as I know which is probably a good thing since such danger here is really rare.

Exactly.

A self portrait via your webcam?
Well done.

:D

Fuckin pro-gamer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MTLeWsUVcY&t=2m15s

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-...ody-cares/

“My son never threatened anybody. He was a gentle child, his nature was gentle, he was a good person and he was never, ever arrested for anything, and has never been in trouble. He was 16 years and four months old, and he was slaughtered.”

It's funny how these kids are always just little angels. It's always the big bad man with the gun that ruthlessly gunned down their little rays of sunshine.

Yeah, the parents of the Boston Bombers also said the thing.
Its retarded how big this is.

You have the US president sticking up for him, you got JayZ doing a march, followed by thousands of other blacks all across america all keen to ram it down the worlds throats that this was a race issue when they are making it a race issue cos black people would not know what to do if they could not bitch and moan about their shitty past to obtain the social concessions they are unable to without their fucking food stamp mentality.

Was this some angelic 17 year old kid?

No

He got kicked out of school twice.
Did drugs.
Had a theft charge.
He then attacked a grown man at 17 for doing his job.

I think we get the picture, just another young black kid in a baseball cap with a shitty attitude problem.

I for one don't give two shits about his life, and guess what, I would say the same thing if he was white cos I got no time for dysfunctional people whatever their colour.

I hope blacks continue to embarrass themselves like this, cos sooner or later their little tactics are going to run dry and maybe then they can actually move on.

I think we get the picture, just another young black kid in a baseball cap with a shitty attitude problem.

I can also think of someone with a baseball cap and a shitty attitude problem. Except he's white and overweight.

So you see the color of a persons skin doesn't make someone good or evil. I suggest you let that sink into your head before you go on another nazi propaganda bordering rant.

The whole point of my post was to highlight that colour is not an issue.
I clearly said I would say the same thing regardless of colour so how can that be racist?

I am simply highlighting the issues of a minority attributing outcomes to false circumstances. Even black people are saying this is not a race issue.

So you agree about the bad attitude and baseball caps, great!

Nazi Propaganda?


Did you read the Head Admins post in another thread where he said Nazi Propaganda is not up for discussion, so then you falsely elevated my post to extract a term that you thought would ring a bell with the head admin thinks in order to silence me via cheap methods because I fried your ego?

The whole point of my post was to highlight that colour is not an issue.

So when you say things like..

“I think we get the picture, just another young black kid in a baseball cap with a shitty attitude problem.”

“I hope blacks continue to embarrass themselves like this, cos sooner or later their little tactics are going to run dry and maybe then they can actually move on.”

..you are really just highlighting that colour is not an issue?


So you agree about the bad attitude and baseball caps, great!

I know you catch on a bit slowly but the white overweight guy I referred to is you.


Did you read the Head Admins post in another thread where he said Nazi Propaganda is not up for discussion

I have not seen the post nor am I interested in discussing nazi propaganda. What I did was pointing out that some of your post in this thread have similarities towards the kind of propaganda that was used during nazi era.

You come across as a bitter, resentful and unstable person and you probably should seek help so they can medicate the issues that causes these irate outbursts of yours.

Bye.

Allow me to put you in your place again...

&#147;I think we get the picture, just another young WHITE kid in a baseball cap with a shitty attitude problem.”

It works both ways...

“I hope blacks continue to embarrass themselves like this, cos sooner or later their little tactics are going to run dry and maybe then they can actually move on.”

Sadly black people are ONE of several minorities who play the race card so that statement is perfectly true, like i keep saying when you point out anything to do with colour, its deemed as wrong when its nothing more than a correlation. What could be less racist than an hispanic and afro american?

"I know you catch on a bit slowly but the white overweight guy I referred to is you. "

I have BMI of 20 of a 34inch waist, I didn't catch on anything because unlike you, I don't feel the need to make up physical features about you because I'm frustrated by your intellectual prowess over me.

To me you are nothing but another angry, probably jobless gaming addict I upset in the one place he has left and by making you realise you can't compete with me,your petty retorts are a way to deal with things along with the mental health card you use to try and undo whatever truth I have installed on you.

There is nothing about you that is a mystery to me. Your reactions are a by product of your flaws and realisation that I have made you realise this.

There is no escape for you.

Best part of this whole thing is how everyone ignores the fact that Zimmerman is hispanic.

Innit, but I am glad when they do things like this. it generates debate online highlighting the sheer holes in these tactics that the black community use and sooner or later, when you play the same hand over and over, it stops working.

I think even some of the most influential people in the black community are fundamentally stupid when it comes to the issue of their race.
Inc their president. Its like its bred into many of them that they can't get over it and everything bad that happens to them is a result for that.

Many Blacks are a bit like women and equality.
They claim to want to be treated like equals, then do and say things which show they actually want special attention when it suits them and their tactic to getting it is to attribute everything to it.

I don't give a shit how black people were treated, it had nothing to do with me and tons of people of all colours were treated like shit over time. Sometimes in life, you just need to say, you know what, the world was a dumb place back then, let's just deal with it and move on or it'll consume you for life.

If only more were like him. That is how you gain respect.


Instead you got the yomama generation like obama and beyonce, jayz saying kind words and going on marches trying to stir up some shit cos a black person got killed by another minority!

So basically if anything happens to a black person at the hands of a non black, its going to get twisted around and use for their ongoing civil rights movement.

hahaha.. i watched that earlier...

buck dancin is actually fuckin badass
http://youtu.be/wrtYOyRP4E4

http://i.imgur.com/dLARufw.jpg

oh lord...

Imagine that, someone actually using their fucking head to look at the facts. Crazy shit. I read about the skittles thing before, not about Martin, just in general using skittles plus those other ingredients. Wouldn't surprise me though.

Racism. The word is meaningless.

Noticing things is not a crime. Noticing things is rational. Don't believe me? Ask the muslim cab drivers. They don't pick up black peeps in their 20s. Why? Because duh! They're not retards.

DEMOGRAPHICS MATTER!

Detroit is finished. They can't tax peeps that don't make money. If noticing things and making logical inferences is racist, then racism doesn't exist. It's a war against rationality. It's a war against THE MIND. If racism exists... only whitey can whine.

Did you drive to work today? Was traffic bad? Did you discriminate X route vs Y route?

(undrunk edit)

Detroit did it to themselves. Too many times too many idiots voted for whichever wanna be thug was running during that election. I couldn't believe during the Kilpatrick trial how many people (at least locally) were still supporting that asshole. The guy took that city for all he could and then some and they still loved him. The city is a cesspool now and unfortunately those people have started to move out into the suburbs over the past few years. And they bring all their bullshit with them.

Black people exist, and thus liberal ideas failed.

Those are the facts...

Brah! I don't blame you for not calling a spade a spade. But here in NA, there is a HUGE GIGANTIC problem with "noticing things". If you make an inference, then you are evil.

Being white is a sin. This is simple shit brah! Look here:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0802.pdf

Table 42. END OF STORY.

Jeah!

well trayvon martin was a thug and he deserved it anyways.... same applies to hitler, saddam, 2pac, al qaeda etc.

"You live by the sword you die with it."