i think googling the issue will give u the same bias for ur theory

One does not simply quit caffeine. It is the essence of life.

It's A Stupid Idea Kramer! Stupid Stupid!
FRANK: Not impolite...it's stupid, that's what it is. c) Jerry Stiller

Anderson Cooper doen't like coffee ether ... he tried it on the show once lol !

How Anderson really feels about coffee

My father used to drink boiled hot coffee !!!!!

caffeine = hax

caffeine is all over the place, theres no way of quitting it.

I tried the idea at one point a while back. I drank mint tea when I would normally drink something caffeinated. It worked for about three days and then I started getting huge headaches which impaired my thinking. I was too impatient to wait for the headaches to clear so I started drinking caffeine again.

EDIT: Wait why was this a reply. oops

that's why you take ibuprofen for headaches...

seems like a bit of over-medication if you ask me...just slowly back off on the caffeine, make sure you're hydrated, etc. and try to avoid taking unnecessary foreign substances that aren't good for you (Ibuprofen).

I don't like chocolate or soda pop. I don't think I am allergic so trace elements of caffeine don't matter to me. I am pretty sure that covers it.

Yes and it's quite hard, I mean it is an addictive drug. There is actually no alertness that you get from coffee, what happens is that you get back to your standard level, like many other drugs.

With frequent consumption, substantial tolerance develops to the anxiogenic effect of caffeine, even in genetically susceptible individuals, but no net benefit for alertness is gained, as caffeine abstinence reduces alertness and consumption merely returns it to baseline.

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v35/n9/abs/npp201071a.html

Yes but this is only true for a long-term consumer. It kinda frazzles your synapse gaps in your brain after a while. But at first, it's great :D

I was actually thinking of starting consuming caffeine

Don't consume caffeine on a daily basis. That is my advise.

Why not? It's a nice and safe stimulant with many positive health effects over long term use.
My advise is use caffeine daily, but never try to sleep less than 8 hours a day.

Real men use stimpacks.

Mainly because caffeine is only nice when you first start consuming it. After a week or two you need to drink the same amount to just get to the level you were without caffeine. You can just simply drink a cup extra to get a small effect similar to when you started but because your consuming more caffeine there are more side effects and any side effects you may have had before are worse. That is why you should not consume it daily.

I remember needing more and more of it only when I slept too little and used it to cure lack of sleep. But in normal circumstances, when I regularly sleep 8h/day average, I can either not drink it and don't feel any bad effects, or I can drink my usual 2-3 cups per day and feel a boost to my attention. Few times I had periods when after long regular coffe consumption I didn't drink any coffe for couple weeks, and I didn't feel anything bad.

At your age it is not needed at all, just a trend. It isn't at mine either.

Why oh why there isn't gaming drink, stop hydratating like a noob.

The withdrawal effects are exaggerated here tho.

or uranus

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In moderation caffeine (namely coffee) can be quite healthy. As long as you're not one of those that gets hooked on things easily I'd really recommend it. Been having a cup of black coffee every morning for a year odd and I love it! Can get really good organic stuff too for pretty cheap (around Ł3 in England, bit more here) if that's your thing.

I quit caffeine at one point. Wasn't as hard as I previously thought. I think I quit for a month. The first few days I had headaches, but nothing major. Expected an upset stomach or something, but nothing. I never get enough sleep, so I just depended on it to stay on point. I found my mind was no clearer really, to be honest.
My skin looked better though, so that was a plus...
Eventually I just went back to drinking heaps of caffeinated tea... no issues though.
Best way to quit is just substitute your caffeinated beverages with the decaf equivalents. That way the habitual aspect remains unchanged.

I drink lots of coffee regularly and quit for a small period from time to time. Just to not be completely addicted to it and to see how its effecting me. I guess I'm just addicted to the high and wouldnt wanna quit completely.
Quitting for me (for a period) is quite hard indeed. Right now if I quit drinking I would get a guaranteed headache, that would last atleast a day and would probably have a non normal state for a while longer.

If your caffeine intake comes from coffee mostly, then theres something to be said about drinking freshly roasted and grinded coffee without sugar, if you wanna be health concious. If its energydrinks and sodas and such, I would be much more worried about the sugar or sweeteners effecting me negatively! As long as you are not getting huge amounts of caffeine.

I quit coffee and energy drinks, because I would get diarrhea from both. Life is much happier now, but I was never even addicted in the first place, I just used them during finals where I would need to pull all-nighters to study. Hence it was easy to stop.

I occasionaly drink tea with caffeine or coke, but that's about it.

Stopped caffeine when i wentabroad, never felt better, then i came home, kept it up for 6 months before i started with coffee again, now i feel shit again.

for everyone here who is saying they get huge headaches when quitting, how many coffees do you take a day?

In the Nordic Countries the average person probably drinks 4-6 cups a day. ~0.8-1.2 liter coffee a day.

it depends on caffeine concentration

try that with real coffee, aka espresso

;)

Tried that last week, not recommended :(

Really? i was being sarcastic!!!

Usually 1, 2 tops

Yeah I quit cold turkey and it's been awesome, haven't had headaches or such since I do believe my addiction were all in my head and not physical of any kind.

But yeah, it improved my way of living bigtime since it caused sleeping disorders.

I have sleeping disorders without coffee, drinking coffee would fix it mebe, or else I'll be 1st man to never sleep :D

Try heroin.

Solid advice right there

Some indica brownies would be much better for that.

Caffeine doesn't affect me for some weird reason, I only drink it for the taste. I can drink several cups in the middle of the night and still be just as tired. I don't know if it's a blessing or not. I mean, it's great not to get withdrawal symptoms, but I'll never get the effects, which would be particularly useful before my exams. I do get bowel movements though... :P

Sure you not drinking decaf?

yes

For some people with ADHD/ADD coffee can instead calm them down, because it works in similar ways as Ritalin.

there's nothing like a coffee in the morning to give you the sprint to bathroom

feels good man

Your adrenal glands are exhausted. If tomorrow you were in a fight or flight situation, you wouldnt do either and just become another statistic. Drinking coffee basically makes your mind think that its in a fight or flight situation, thats what makes the coffee high.

Dont drink any more coffee and research natural ways to boost your adrenals (or even better your whole chakra/glands).

I doubt that. Coffee has never had an invigorating effect on me. I've been on and off coffee several times so it's not that I have developed a high tolerance for it. Perhaps I have a genetic mutation or something, lol. In all seriousness though, I'd like to know why.

I never mentioned the term tolerance, let me repeat:

Your adrenal glands are exhausted.

From what? Care to elaborate?

Multiple possible causes. Nutritional deficiencies, excesive stress, subclinical problem in other gland like the thyroid affecting it, etcetc.

You could seek a chinese/holistic medic.

Same here. I even sleep better after a good coffee.

coffee makes me tired.

I 'quit' coffee every now and then. Sometimes I get the headaches, sometimes not. But oh man when I do drink it again I am on such a buzz which makes it impossible to sleep.

I have caffeine at odd times, and when I have it I have a lot of it, I've probably become mostly immune to it.
I just drink tea and coffee to taste these days.

caffeine is a weak drug. physical withdrawal symptoms should be gone after a few days. only thing that stays is the impression you could be more effective/productive/etc when on caffeine. that's not the case tho.

I've been drinking caffeine for as long as I can remember. I remember one day I woke up with the worst headache I have ever had, I could barely function. I realized I hadn't had any caffeine for a couple days, drank a couple cups of coffee and it was gone. I think I'll stay addicted for now.

If not all the contractions that it causes to my organism due to getting rid of the magnesium (as far as i know biology...) in my body i'd drink it non-stop. Generaly i don't recommand anyone getting addicted to coffeine. It's really hard to quit unless you have a good reason like health and stuff.
After some time of drinking (let's say 5 months 2 cups daily) I feel like it doesn't boost you almost at all. You're just at normal level while you keep drinking. Thing is when you stop you're like weaker than normally and you have to drink to be stable while when at the beggining of drinking adventure you're like boosted as fuck.

Black tea or my favorite, oolong, works better for me -- plus the antioxidants. With all the coffee-bashing, I'm surprised nobody mentioned how coffee drinking eventually stains your teeth.

Tea does the same shit way faster, have to see my dentist for cleaning those stains every half a year (I'm consuming around 2-3 cups of tea a day and the occasional coffee).

Embrace it. Gangsta as fuck.

Coffee has about the same amount of antioxidants as tea.

In practical/everyday use though, you can drink many more cups of tea than coffee, thereby getting more antioxidants. Plus, turning on to white tea(highest of tea antioxid) sweetened with local honey is a good anti-allergenic, healthy alternative(white tea won't stain your teeth either)

Does white tea have caffine too?

Yes.

it has a very small amount compared to green, then oolong, then black -- in other words, white tea WON'T keep you up awake.

I was addicted, like almost any caffeine user.
I didn't generally drink big amounts of coffee, generally 1-2 small cups at day. I estimated that the amount of caffeine input was about 80-100 mg/day.
If i had to bet my life on it, i still can't decide if it really enhanced my brain functions, any of it, or not.

The point is, caffeine don't produce energy, it burns it. It stimulates your sympatic nervous system to work in a stressed way, you sweat more, you are more nervous and tense. Probably in the first weeks/months/years it makes you release more energy between the one you had stored in your organism, but after some time, you reach a low level where your daily dose(s) only makes you reach your base level, and without it, you feel worse.
Physically addiction.

In addition, i ended up to associate in the brain big/tiresome tasks, both physically and mentally, with the "i need a dose to do that/ah how better it would be with some of it".
To the point that if you have to study for some hours, you plan around to where is the nearest source of coffee, if you have to work you program your preparation for it about how earlier you take your coffee, and this is really pathetic in a way.
I didn't like to be mentally dependant on something just to be able to function normally, and i casually stumbled on some internet forums on which it were discussed the negative aspects of caffeine.

Apparently there are a lot of those. I'm still not secure if coffee is really harmful or taxing on your system or not, or if it even have positive effects, like some claims.

I do believe that it higly depends on the subject: some peoples can drink enormous amounts of caffeine or energy drinks without sleep problems or other downsides, some others becomes buzzed and stunned already with a small cup.
So, don't give for certain coffee is harmless for you, but it's up to you to decide what to do if you don't feel good about it.

I quit two different times, both times cold turkey, and i wouldn't recommend it.
It's better to progressively and slowly diminishing the daily input, like quitting with every other drug.
If you feel hardcore, tough, go cold turkey, it's a valuable experience.

The first day it's almost ok. I've read it requires around 24 hours to start feeling the withdrawals, but if your habit is of an high amount, then they can come earlier, even just twelve hours or so.
The second day was bad, your head feels like pumped from the inside, and overall you feel pretty weak for not taking the stimulant you used your body to.

The headaches are because of the vasoconstricting effect of the caffeine: your head blood vessels are constricted, but without caffeine they start to dilate to their normal section, so more blood flow to the head generating more internal pressure.
Which is worrying if you think about it: did i live with less blood flowing to my brain for years?

Anyway, it so is even in the third day, at least. It lasted no less than three days after the start. But at the third day it's less intense than in the first two, and you start to reaquire some energy.
I don't know how much time it requires to reaquire the standard hormonal functionality after that, someone claimed it requires three months, go figure.

I drank my latest coffee about a month ago, and only because they offered me one, and i didn't want to appear like a paranoid. I never talked about this to anyone.
Because many peoples really loves and need coffee, and i understand them, i was like this, and maybe still am.
If you say "hey, you should really quit drinking that, it is harmful as a drug!" it would be social suicide, you would make those peoples feel like drug addict, and they would deny the harmful effects and maybe points out researches that shows coffee almost like a medicine.
So be sensible, repsect other's choice.
Prior to that, i didn't have one for at least three weeks. That day that small cup made me feel buzzed, more energetic and active even like 6 hours after i drank it. Sign that my body was readjusting to a normal functioning without a stimulant.

Anyway, a coffee at week or less doesn't do damage, you don't have any headache the following day.

TL;DR:
Coffee is probably harmful for a lot of peoples, you can function as good and more naturally without it after you have disintoxicated, but quitting cold turkey isn't recommended due to multiple days headaches and low energy levels.

this si bullshit you will die.


...ps. i dont drink coffie.

I drink a cup of coffee every morning, and then often a bit of sodas during the day. Doesn't seem too bad, I think I'm more addicted to the sugary (not so) goodness that is coca cola if anything

^^ what he said. Sugar is the real evil.

I found that picking up smoking helped me to fight my caffeine addiction. Any suggestions what addiction should I replace smoking with?

caffeine

or heroin

I'd feel like a fool going back to caffeine. Running around in circles. As someone once said- Give heroin a chance.

Where do I get that good, herring flavored stuff that Ulbe is taking?

ulbe has his own cookin' haus

vape nicotine.. don't get the cheap gas station ecigs though. start off with a ego battery and a clearomizer

from my expirience you need to just stop. Easier said than done I know :D

Caffeine is healthy in small amounts.

If it weren't for my special coffee (with Kerrygold butter and coconut milk - yeah you can stop laughing) I'd die of hunger at DHW since we only had a choice of some shitty pasta or kebab.

GO TEAM COFFEE

any chance of giving up that recipe?

Coffee (300-400 ml, I tend to use ground coffee but I guess it's not that big of a deal to use soluble coffee if you're pressed for time) + 50g of Kerrygold butter (tastewise it's probably similar to any kind of butter but I go for Kerrygold for health reasons) + 100 ml of coconut milk or a hefty spoon of coconut oil, if I don't have the milk. Drop all that in a blender and that's it.

I'm not a coffee addict who needs it every morning, but the taste is awesome and that's why I drink it. The whole thing is called bulletproof coffee and if you youtube it there are some videos on how to do it, but some of these people have the "coffee with butter - it basically aims for you" attitude and to me at least it's off-putting. It postpones the necessity for breakfast for 3-4 hours (provided you're not totally insulin resistant ;D) and it tastes great - for me that's enough.

DISCLAIMER: This recipe might make you lose 0-3 to evil in a tournament setting.

wild man! (thanx)

f*ck me,when did u take this photo :D?

So basically you replaced pasta/kebab with coffee...


Im actually impressed

I'd rather hammer my adrenals for 2 or 3 days with too much caffeine than eat processed grain products on my way to a blood sugar roller coaster and bombarding of the on-site toilet with brown runny undigested fat from the kebab meat and sauce because of how I respond to gluten...

Thanks actually

tell me more!

For some reason kebabs and shawarma are pretty half-arsed in the UK, I'd imagine it's the same all over Europe.

they sell that butter in poland?

ye, but it's more expensive than average butter.

was thinking the same!

They sell it everywhere?!

never knew that, it popular in germany/the eu?

In Germany, yeah. Really dunno about the rest of the EU. Weird, I thought that stuff was one of the major brand exports from Ireland.

hahaha :DD

ain't nothing wrong with caffeine son

this thread is moist

Never started drinking coffee, some good arguments here to keep it that way.

glass of whiskey, macchiato and a spliff

coffee, naah, sugar is the real brain fog inducer. Want to not be able to think? consume candy before bed and wake up completely idiot.

Pepsi and Coke will give me bad headaches. Mtdew and Barqs will not (and they taste 100x better as well).

I quit for a while after drinking a liter a day average. Couple headaches for a day or two. No difference in life afterward. I drink a lot less caffeine in general now. Maybe a can for lunch.

used to drink about 5-6 sodas a day for years until i quit cold turkey around 5 years ago, i went caffeine free until last year when I was dating a heavy coffee drinker and decided to give it a go. I'm not addicted anymore but some days I wake up and want nothing other than a hot cup of it.

also, relevant to esr: no caffeine = less stress = easier to focus on quake. for me, at least

you dont quit caffein... caffein quits you.

Anywho, give it a week or two.

Quake.


/thread

I've never really used caffeine, of course I have tasted coffee, energy drinks and sodas but that's about it. No addictions of any kind or anything. I just haven't learned to like them. I prefer juices and water for non-alcoholic beverages if I need any.

don't quit caffeine :(
try alternate ways of assumption, and give us feedback later.
benefits

lol'd

I quit for a few months and it made absolutely no difference to anything.

I take one small cup in the morning (but an hour or two after i consume a nutritious breakfast full of minerals). Give me a nice high to cope with the morning stress in the work. I rarely take another one in the rest of the day. Taking coffee first thing in the day is bad advice, it makes you pee more and so increasing the elimination of minerals, losing precious minerals aint good.

Also remember coffee just tricks your mind into thinking youre in a fight or flight situation, so the mind sends a signal to the adrenals to generate adrenalin, suprarenals generate corticoids, and thats basically the coffee high. If your glands are exhausted, you get no high. In this case you should consume 0 coffee and work on revitalizing those dead glands.

Moderate coffee intake is good for the liver and also packed with antioxidants.

As anything in life, moderation is key.

Anything that isnt quake, sex or pot ofc :D

I drink a lot of water at work, go to piss about once every hour. Is that harming my minerals?

Take spoon of salt erryday

sea or celtic salt, common salt it shit

edit: himalayan salt is good too

ofc, dont doubt my nutrition skillz buddy

Not doubting at all, just complementing your info so people with no nutrition skillz doesnt end consuming common salt.

Could, depends on other factors like your diet, sun intake, etc. Anyway your taxing your kidneys, why you drink so much?

More water the better. When your piss is clear; you're in the clear. Drink as much as you need, should aim for at least 2 litres per-day - more if you've been extremely active.

800mg per day here, my preworkout just contains 400mg and i drink coffee too :DDD

400mg? O.o
The highest I ever saw is ~300 in one scoop. :O

mr hyde by pro supps, acutally its 419mg :p

f*ck this :D. I am on n.o. - bsn explode 2.0 right now(250mg caffeine in one scoop). Highest amount I drank with bsn hyper-fx 300mg(this shit is strong! It got only stimulants in itself and 10g of them! ahahha no creatine, no arginine. Most boosters like pure black jack, n.o.-explode,3d jack, etc, etc got around 500-700mg stimulants. Hyper-fx doesn't mess around and go up to 10g(also testosterone booster/astrogen blocker in it) - I feel like God on it. Nothing can be compared as focus, strength, euphoria, pure power. /advertisement off

TL:DR: gimme my scoop!!! :D

jack3d used to be fun when it still had 1,3 Dimethylamylamine :(

new one does nothing

the first black jack had it too, but now they replace it with yohimbine... a lot weaker formula that way.

what in the absolute fuck are you two talking about

about fat burner and DMAA. all weak stuff tho

imaginative drugs

The only problems I had while quitting were a little pressure in my head, a little tired to first and second day, and digestive problems for the first 3 days. Other than that it was not bad. I believe I was having a bad reaction to caffeine because it was causing way to many problems. I had tried to figure out the cause of the problems for about a year mainly because they were getting worse. I was shocked that by the second day most of the problems I was having were reduced and by the third day most were completely gone. My problems were mainly foggy thinking, being tired most of the day, sleeping very poorly, a little bit of pain pretty much everywhere which was much worse in the morning, and apparently swelling in my mouth and throat which I didn't realize until I completely stop caffeine and coffee.

i never drink coffee it makes me feel dehydrated and i wanna sleep after a cup of coffee cuz its so warm and cozy lol. i prefer energy drinks

Try a coffee enema!

If caffeine addiction is preventing you achieving your life goals and general happiness. Then you should install caffeine cheats and get banned from caffeine. Then you can spend your time you are not consuming caffeine to post on caffeine forums trying to convince everyone that you never had a problem with caffeine in the first place.

Apparently stopping to drink coffee will solve all my problems, thanks esr

Where did you read that?

"Be a doctor, unlock your brain capacity, don't be lazy anymore, be rich, get a six pack within a day, have all the girls you want" ????

PLS LINK TO DIS POST NOW.

Sorry, I might have gotten carried away upon the tales of struggle with coffee and the post-decaffeination transformation into happiness.
Now godspeed on your journey to being a six-packin' doctor with his own harem.

But seriously I'm a bit intrigued now if I would really notice a difference without caffeine personally

hehe np

i almost exclusively drink water or beer, no sugar shit no coffee no energy. what happens when i only drink a small espresso you dont want to know. the consequences are brutal.

can't stop drinking coffee, but since some years i reduced it from 5 spoons of coffeepowder to 3 a day, which reduced the side effects alot(sweating, nervousness...)
when i wanted to stop coffee, i ran a couple of days with only half opened eyes around, and only wanting a coffee.

since i got a mill the coffee tastes sooo goood, cant stop it. im @ ~5 cups per day, filtered, without milk or sugar. plus ~3 cups of green tea. i like the new cubic teabags.

I rarely drink energy drinks and hate coffee, so I didn't think I consumed any caffeine....
Then I remembered I drink tea 3 times every day :/

*takes a sip*

ITT: people without any willpower apparently

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like seriously if you think quitting caffeine is too hard....

I don't think it is hard to stop I just stopped drinking coffee, tea, and stopped eating chocolate also no energy drinks or anything like that. Pretty much that easy unless you drink 4 or more cups a day. In that case they should half there intake until they don't get headaches.

"stopped eating chocolate also no energy drinks or anything like that"

To choose carefully better chocolate would help, i hate cheap chocolate with mixed sugar & mik powder, it's just aweful ...

I stopped drinking Cola for years now, and the smell of energy drinks make me puke ...

I liked a girl wich drinks this in the mourning, YES 7am o'clock ... bleh !

I dont drink wine, just a few beers that's all i need :))

Ofc it's not hard if you seriously want to quit in and have the motivation. But if not, then it sure isn't a walk in the park. I quit smoking because I really clearly realised that if i don't do it, i will never do it. So I just stopped smoking. Wasn't exactly fun, but it wasn't hard because i had made up my mind about it. And btw, there is no need for nicotine replacement products, they are bullshit. If you want to get rid of nicotine, you have to stop using it in all forms. Period.

But caffeine, no way. I have no intention giving up on that shit, i need it to function. I WANT to need it to function. So you understand quitting it wouldn't be too easy in this case.

I thought I needed cigarettes to function too. And ye, you're right about nicotine replacement products, they're complete crap.

A tleast you can do it like italians, they do not drink much coffee per say in liters, just an expresso wich is a tiny cup :)

get an expresso machine, and drink more something else and water

i haven't had a coffee in over a year, along with all other caffeine drinks. i can say that i don't feel any difference aside from not having my breath stink at nights and mornings

I call this improvement!

oh yeah, no sudden urges to take a shit anymore. now i can predict my bowels and have no need of public bathrooms anymore.

I felt the same. Either its my blood pressure or the caffeeine or smth else. I feel dizzy a bit sometimes. Maybe its my nerves. Good news is: there is caffeine-free coffee, which tastes the same! :)

i wonder if it would reduce withdrawal symptoms placebo-style

I tried for about 4 years. It was only last year I managed to finally avoid rebounding. I did that by constantly finding other soft drinks to substitute with. Was difficult since most stores just sold the same old crap and I got tired of them really quickly, but I found a couple that sold American import drinks like White Rock Cream and such. Just drank those whenever I felt like I needed a coke or an energy drink. About 3-4 months later and I suddenly didn't feel the urge anymore. Another interesting consequence is that I don't really have the urge to drink soft drinks at all anymore.

So basically, find a substitute and drink it whenever you want caffeine, then when you tire of that substitute find another.


I can tell you that I sleep a lot better nowadays. A LOT better.

It's brown and we don't know exactly from where the coffee is from? Is it linked to his penis? or butt?

HAHA Stratos must be laughing!

updated original post.

So much retarded misinformation in this thread. Do more research. You'll find that there is almost no negative correlation to MODERATE caffeine consumption on a daily basis.

Try pubmed, journals, ACTUAL research articles, not blog posts by retards who have no clue.

I agree there is no serious problems caused by daily consumption of caffeine when consumed in moderate amounts about 100 to 400 mg. Although you do become addicted to it and you need to consume caffeine on a daily basis to get to the level you where at without it. If you feel like that isn't true you more than likely are not getting enough sleep.

Again, research. Developing a tolerance to caffeine effects, at least to the levels that the retards in this thread are describing, is on the extreme end of consumption. If you're downing Red Bull to simply function in a day, then yea, you've gone past the point of "reasonable" consumption. For people who drink a couple cups of coffee a day, DO NOT FUCKING WORRY ABOUT IT.

In fact, there are so many more benefits to coffee as a whole when consumed on a daily basis, it outweighs the NON EXISTENT negatives of caffeine in general.

benefits such as?

Google it. You'll find plenty.

Big penis?