$100 to the guy who suggested ql on steam!

i have no money left

Which one, the guys at id who have wanted it for years, or the guys in the community that have wanted it for years ? :)

Me

What delayed the decision for id to go through with it?

No idea , probably no one will learn why whoever pulls the strings didn't focus on it from early on.
Possibly concerned demand would exceed their ability to scale up the service fast enough at the time, but a better infrastructure now (total speculation)
There is just no way they can't have been looking at it for years, everyone knows steam is the pathway to huge numbers of users and potential high returns, either there was some very good technical/legal reason, or a block higher up the chain for some reason.

Ah ok. I thought I missed some statement id gave to the community for the delay.

id statements are kinda "fuck linux and mac"ish and "here are some new maps with 3x worse fps" ; )

every sane man suggested it on the forums in the first few weeks of quake live releae, but the id employees are slow readers.

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" we will launch an update that for the first time in Quake Live's history, will bring about some big gameplay changes. We want to ensure that FPS fans who check out the game on Steam have more fun in their first match than the current gameplay systems allow"

grapplehooks for noobs confirmed

yea but 99% is noob so if you want quake popular you need to seek a compromise
anyway we will sse soon

big gameplay changes

I'm afraid too actually...

Full french translation of id software message :

http://www.esportactu.fr/quakelive/1304--maj-...sur-steam/

They won't actually be changing the core gameplay mechanics, but they will be introducing some more casual friendly game modes and features. The new casual game mode will be a form of TDM where you spawn with weapons, and there will be a icon on the ground indicating how long it will be before the armors or mega health respawn.

Xonotic has similar options for server.cfg and it works great imo. (For casuals).

Not a casual has tried xonotic

Fuck no - I played this game some time - lot of ordinary Joes.

I find this to be a good idea.

Nobody plays TDM in its current form anyway.

Apart from everyone that plays tdm... errr


http://tdmpickup.eu

LOL.

k'

20-30 ppl playing TDM, compared to 100k+ playing whatever CSGO is.

= nobody

misguided fools.

little kids that wank over army uniforms.

"20-30 ppl = nobody" = nazi.

platapuss moose.

this is very worrying :o/

to my mind Quake 'is' perfect
it shouldn't be messed with

unless they have a 'noob' version with timers and assists
and a 'classic' version?
Reach a certain level... move up to 'classic'?

I don't want to speculate - but it doesn't sound good at all at this stage
:o(

If they had something 'good' to tell us - they'd be shouting it from the roof tops

Please don't break the game we love

while i have some past quake experience as a kid this is my first time really trying to play/learn quake. let me just say i completely agree with a lot of you. i got back into this game because it is challenging, it has a steep learning curve, and its a game you can never be the best at. there is always room for improvement in any department, through decision making, prediction, map control, moving, dodging, and aim. there is always something that can be better. the skill cap is almost non existent. this is what i think is appealing to many quake players. it is a relatively simple fps at its core that is lots of fun but also has the depth to it.

i only started a few weeks ago but i wanted the challenge of improvement and having to really work for where i would go. jumped in with players who where much much better than myself. you get your ass kicked to the curb, stomped, like everyone says. then sometime latter you start dodging better, predicting, doing more damage/frags. i certainly still suck but there is some sort of pride and joy seeing myself improve. i remember coming on here and reading this is one of the most rewarding games you can play. now i am slowly starting to understand why. this begs my question of why make the game easier... if that is even their plan?

i still hold the belief people are willing to learn difficult games now a days, games that also have relatively steep learning curves. cs and dota are just some examples. while different people demonstrate they want to learn... part of the problem is if they want to learn how to play quake, over other fps's in the market. maybe the theme of arenas isn't as popular as it used to be. when i was younger everyone played arenas on pc and mmo's. gamecube/xbox where just for some sp games for fun. the fps's being played were quake and ut. how much fun those were. like i stated above, i think people show they are willing to get stomped over and over again to just get ever so slightly better. there is the issue that movement is a requirement and this steepens the curve even more. besides that i don't see why people don't wanna learn. its as simple as they don't like what arenas have to offer in terms of theme/gameplay or they think quake is this impossible game to learn. like it takes a year to learn how to cj or something. believe it or not, i know quite a few people who associate quake as a game that only fps monsters/freaks can play. that it is impossible for most people to even learn. get pretty good at? not really. to transform into an amazing player? yeah.



anyways to finish this up steam could maybe pull some more players, probably nothing ever close to csgo etc. i honestly just wish they make the game more 'accessible' in the forms of better tutorials for movement etc along with actual mm/ladders and not such a bad interface. fix up all that i think it could make some sort of a difference. as for gameplay i am not experienced enough to really comment but personally i think most of it is fine. maybe fix the little bugs here or there and tidy up the netcode if possible as right now it seems people ping higher than they normally would. gameplay is fine just improve anything else to make the game more modernized in terms of options or whatever.


also i get the graphical updates if they decide that. but for the love of god please allow the current settings to be used for those on weaker computers/laptops. as some of us are away at school for a portion of the year and don't have anything too powerful to play on.

No offense but no one is going to read all that lol

Well I did. I can recommend it as well :>

tl;dr plis

so - something good is worth puting effort into
and is more rewarding when you improve?

I totally agree :o)

The gameplay is great, it's the stuff around it that needs fixing. id fucking up again?

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Yes. They are going to kill the fucking game. The only gameplay change they need to make is to GET RID OF THE TEAM AREANA BULLSHIT that basically killed CTF.

They want to make Quake more exciting to new people? Then give it a graphics overhaul, throw big time worldwide tournaments and improve everything but don't touch the fucking gameplay. Make the graphics and gore so intense, it blows people's minds as they are playing it BUT DON'T TOUCH THE GAMEPLAY. Make a newbie mode that helps people learn to play and where newbs can play each other BUT DON'T TOUCH THE GAMEPLAY>

This will be the death of Quake. It's too fragile now for it to survive whatever bullshit is planned. By the time they change it back the community will be totally dead. We are all fucked. Completely fucked.

hm? I always thought the Team Arena stuff on some maps was pretty fun.

he's referring to NA, which seemed to be non existant all along.

If you hate good ctf gameplay, then it's fun. TA failed because it sucked. It should be separate from ctf.

what are you talking about. only a few maps have TA runes, none of which are in any competitive mappools. it is separate, and it's just for fun, on fun maps.

It's not separate because people in NA at least get forced to play the TA maps because the only servers that are populated aren't competitive map pools only. The only way you can avoid the shitty TA maps is to get a group of people organized to play a pick up game and good luck with that.

Make the graphics and gore so intense, it blows people's minds as they are playing it

It seems their intent is to do that with DOOM instead from what I've read of the Qcon reveal, on the twitter streams from the event.

quake needs new better gamemods with halo like two weapon system which needs another rebalance for weapons just for that mode.

fo...

lookup qw theres only rl and lg and gl occasionaly, the rest is useless

why would i do that? we talking about ql. wepons are sick. makes for great games.
adding all that shit you mentioned would be a fucking boring mess.

Exactly. All it needs is more people to play all gametypes.

The gameplay is great, it's the stuff around it that needs fixing. id fucking up again?

The old beta gameplay was much more enjoyable for me. (when it was slightly slower etc.) But i never played quakelive on an every day basis. u guys are probably just used to it ;P

It's never been slower, your opponents must just have been worse.

If anything it was far quicker with stronger shotgun and 4x damage quad.

No. Im not talking about weapon damage or dying faster.

The game got faster when they made strafejumping/gaining speed easy for everyone. Some ppl even said it doesn't fit the maps.

looking forward to seeing these changes and what impact they have on player uptake :)

So your opponents were worse.
I and those I played with had no problems strafing even before they made it a bit easier.

You played my tier back then. (FFA) but whatever.

The point is it doesn't make sense gaining that much speed in smaller areas, around corners etc. Quake3 was already fast enough. I never talked about dodging or my opponents getting better. So just skip it.

And yes im talking about FFA here.It might be even usefull in duell or ctf. But as u said, skilled players know how to gain speeds anyway. noobified gameplay wasn't required.

This is stupid. The gameplay is the problem and is the reason for such a small userbase. Sure they could have done some stuff better around the game but they can't because of budget problems. And the reason they have budget problems is because the userbase it too small.

Imo the main reason why ql userbase is so small is because
1. 10+ uears old
2. graphics suck shit and don't draw in noobies
3. skill gap too wide and noobs quit. This was the case for me when i started ql during the beta. I was getting hammered and took a few months break. But i was bored and young and was too poor to buy games so i went back to ql again. Only when i wasn't getting completely hammered and started learning the mechanics of the game did i start to enjoy it.

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We want to ensure that FPS fans who check out the game on Steam have more fun in their first match than the current gameplay systems allow

jet packs and starting weapons.
better tier system.

Unlock all weapons - only 9.99 EUR

surely they just need to make it clearer to new players, what the gamemodes are, what they are good for and then make a flawless matchmaking system like Sc2 had, using elo...

surely..

thats what they need to do. but the dev team is stupid as shit.
to them it's the gameplay that's flawed.... not the fact that they put brand new people into t3/t4 servers and they get stomped, leave and never come back. it's the gameplay.
It's not 6 years of mismanagement of the game, no resources for development, the fact that the dev team (2 people) really don't seem to know what they're doing.
basic functions that take amateur mod makers a day or less to code takes these retards months to years to figure out.

Shit coding
Shit performance
Shit performance online
Shit servers that feel like...
Shit.......

Any job I've ever had....
the people that...
aren't efficient
don't know what they're doing
and fuck things up...
Get fired quickly.

surely they could implement these type of things without effecting us?
A Pro account remains a Pro account?

the starters get a simplified version? (if they really need it)

but agreed - a better ladder system would help greatly

probably an engine update so the game doesnt look like ass anymore to make newblood happy

Yesterday: "They are so slow, no new features, no changes for years, fuck id!"
Today: "OMGOMGOMG! THEY'RE GONNA SCREW IT UP! STOP! DON'T TOUCH QUACK AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!111"

(I know you are commenting on the entire thread) - but...

I for one have never complained about Quake or id

I do however express my concerns at:
"BIG gameplay changes"

and I do so now (albeit with limited info) in the hope of stopping anything happening to the already perfect gameplay - before it's too late.

After 6 years, why even think about gameplay changes? Sure, the game still needs things and could use some improvements, but the gameplay itself I don't think is one of them.

They want Steam to actually be successful, they want to increase their retention of new players significantly. The tiers help a bit already, but it's not enough.

And why would the gameplay itself need to be touched in order to achieve this? Quakelive needs a ton of things, but gameplay changes isn't one of them.

Now it's a completely different genre, but check out http://www.iracing.com/. If you're going to do a centralized game with subscriptions, that's how you do it. Leagues, tournaments, rankings all built into the site/game itself. Quakelive sub you get some cvars, oh snap.

"And why would the gameplay itself need to be touched in order to achieve this? Quakelive needs a ton of things, but gameplay changes isn't one of them."

Here's one reason:

Being a newcomer, when you enter a FFA game, the only weapon you'll hold for more than a few seconds is the MG.
Running around with MG only quickly becomes tiresome. Especially when everyone around you is owning you with RL and LG.

For a lot of people, this experience alone will be enough for them never to fire up QL again.
Sure, a lot of Quake elitists will say we don't want these 'spineless' people in QL anyway. The same elitist that will moan about QL dying/being dead.

Changing something simple like letting weapons stay (meaning everyone can get a gun, other than the MG) would help immensely.
Maybe even have servers/game types that let you spawn with all weapons and max ammo. Like CA, just FFA/TDM (no rounds).


QL is not newbie-friendly. This has to change if you want a larger player-base.

just make some 64 player maps with fucking wepons everywhere, where the noobs can drool for a bit before they decide they actually want to 'play a game'.

Honestly, just bang in cosmetics properly and then iterate on the game play, it's been proven to work many times over now.

true

fucking idiot

Where do I preorder?

Your butt.

Might need help considering his flag.

You might need more help considering yours.

hahah, i get it, that's cuz he's gay, right?

Well, it's obvious...

gibs and anti-cheat ;)

bring it!

There is already anticheat.

Can't use VAC unless they go Steam EXCLUSIVE though :/

well good then that the id software anti cheat is working so well

As implied by my smiley I'd preffer VAC, but id's team is still doing better than punkbuster did for years.

ye but its tiring for the userbase, because they do rely on us to report these suckers.
this can't be the real deal.

if the steam stuff works out then prepare for a tidal wave of newbies, followed by a tidal wave of cheaters if theres no overhaul for the anti-cheat which is outdated for a long time now.

There's a fuckload of cheaters on CS:GO, VAC can't be much better.

The biggest problem with VAC is they hold off on anti cheat updates for ages to catch the most cheats, and then ban en-mass.

The fact that they actively deconstruct cheats sent to combat them like antivirus companies is a big plus still.

the biggest problem on ql, is that there is no update for their anti cheat at all so far.
how is this fair to the userbase?

honestly, the game is in the best shape its ever been. especially as pro subscriber with the features we can host, but the cheater part ruins it. you cant have your own userbase replace an anti-cheat, what bullshit is that to anyone who supports this game?

I've seen a lot of butthurt recently towards steam so decided to poke around apparently VAC had a decent ban wave this summer, taking out some known players see link.

http://www.hltv.org/news/12715-cly-handed-vac-ban

There will always be people trying to cheat in some shape or form, but I like how valve is stepping it up so I wouldn't mind VAC for QL. Highly doubt that will be the case here though.

God please Steam EXCLUSIVE and fuck tier slummers.

Hahaha. What?

There is anticheat in QL? Someone forgot to tell Daddy about this?

Apart from that only a fool would still believe that id is trying to keep their player base clean.

daddy's long gone

You should be removed from quake in order to feel the best playing performance.

This has been proved hundred of times before, my son. :>

- Pinocchio

You gotta be the biggest retard in ql since forever..

Asslicking moron is Asslicking.

n00kie is a bad asslicker?

dat conclusion..

/supreme-facepalm

well its true, u call him to your aid, i dont call anyone - people just tell you off and you call it whatever.

you're a retard bar none.

I can do whatever i want.
And you're crying like a tryhard.

last time i checked it was you crying in my inbox with sordid messages and when i laugh at you, you ask me what 'my fucking problem is'.

lol

Aren't you the one whos everytime running to sasparillo when you see me around with a new account ? lmao danstar you get me everytime again. Can't suffer from laughing.

Also that u tell your whole clan about me just proves the point that u dont have anything else to do haha

shhhh, quiet now :)

If you wish, sir.

TBH, having such a gay nick qualifies you for ban, "vince".

And for fuck sake what do you want ? haha. Go play tetris you muppet.

I play tetris everyday. Requires brain, hence you will never be able to comprehend it.

Also, I want your fucking cheating a$$ to be banned for good. I know you have no life. I saw your picture. I understand that you're a gay teen who has no life, but you fail at your virtual attempts to sound like a man.

I would say "grow the fuck up" but you're beyond that. The only thing that grows is your gay hairstyle.

Now piss off jackass! School's out.

I want you to get lost and drop QL.

Everyone knows you're a cheating teenager with hormonal deficiencies. Try professional help. Psychiatry knows how to help you, I'm sure.

And don't call me a "muppet". With your hairstyle it's like saying to me that I'm like you.

Daaamn, you talk alot about psycho shit :)). Seems like you experienced those activites alot. Aww btw, my hairstyle ? Come on is that everything u can cry about ? Those pictures are like 4/5 years old. However, i can wear any hairstyle i want.. its not your job to care about, isn't it ? I am enyoing life like i want to, not like you want :)).

Also, i don't care if id can't even afford in a proper anti cheat, not my fault. Everytime a great moment to piss of peoples like you, seems lovely.

Cheers you mofo nablet :))

A picture is worth a thousand words. When you look like a nerdy metrosexual teen and then try to talk shit to men on forums, you end up looking like a clown.
It's hard not to talk about "psycho shit" when talking to a person that's severely limited in his mental faculties.

I experienced "those activities" a lot, reading your posts. So yeah, if I continue to try to reply to you like human being, I might degrade mentally.

I will take the risk, though. You see, you behave like a deranged, unstable kid. Hell, YOU'RE a kid. You fail at everything related to Quake, both in terms of skill and relations with other players. I understand that you're insecure and have issues. I feel for you.

I'ma amazed at how many levels you fail. Care to tell me how you do it? Is there a special Fail Academy that you graduated or is it just in your genes? i ask because given how many times yor sorry ass was banned it seems that no matter how hard you try, you keep failing even at such monumental failure as being a cheater.

You think that people are "pissed" because of your activities. You get that from our posts and in-game behavior. Truth is, we are no more pissed at you that we would be at a dog that shits in our lawn; it's just an animal that doesn't know any better. The same goes for you.

So you will be banned, again and again and again.

Also, what is a "mofo nablet"? Is it the same as "tablet"? I'm a simpleton and lamers like you use so many educated, pr0, l33t words.

I await your response with a bated breath...

Schucks, the chew toy didn't come back...
Was it something I said?

Give him sometime your thought is too complicated for his low iq,Vincent can understand properly only the same 2-3 retards he is hanging out from ql.

The time for Steam Charts to lay bare the population has come, five years later. My sincerest condolences to anyone who believes Steam will make a difference. I can't wait to see how they choose to beat the dead horse with big gameplay changes. Again, and for the last time, with the last reserve of care, fuck you id Software.

I'm glad to see you haven't given up the doom and gloom.

hello_world? More like goodbye_world am I right

high five!!! dont let me hanging...

"an update that for the first time in Quake Live's history, will bring about some big gameplay changes. We want to ensure that FPS fans who check out the game on Steam have more fun in their first match than the current gameplay systems allow."

QL's gameplay is good and shouldn't be changed much. New, weak players would have more fun with better tutorial matches, and playing vs similarly skilled players. They also need to be rewarded for any achievement.


Other way is to dumb down the gameplay to a level where every player will perform similar, everyone would have the same fun regardless of skill.
orbb shooters

yep. ACHIEVEMENT REWARDS

and an XP bar and levels. and spending skill points on new maps

I think he was joking.. gtfo.

I think he was also joking.. gtfo.

I think somones hacked my account I never say gtfo...



:O

Please don't dumb down the core gameplay any more than it already has been from Q3 > QL.

Just create some more noob friendly modes/servers and throw new starters into these and don't let them join the higher skilled servers until they've completed a set of pre-requisites to avoid scaring them off.

Also create a warning dialogue box if they do try to join a regular sever that says something like "By joining this server you are agreeing to have your bum hole metaphorically jackhammered for 20 minutes. Please don't complain about matchmaking afterwards."

"Please don't complain about matchmaking afterwards" I LOL'd

In b4 redrover all over again.

your bum hole metaphorically jackhammered for 20 minutes

ROFLMAO

Cant plus enough

I agree - I don't want it dumbed down, that's the one problem I have. Improving the interface? New maps? This is what I want. Changing the game? No thanks.

But out of curiosity, how was QL dumbed down from Q3?

Some of the points I'll make can be argued for and against QL being dumbed down compared to Q3 depending on the game mode.

Here's a list though:

- Rail damage 80 in QL compared to 100 in Q3
- Rockets are sped up, easier to hit
- LG damage is 1 point less than it was in Q3 (I think, not 100% sure on this)
- Step height is reduced, making jumps like bridge to rail easier
- Netcode in general makes it easier to aim

IMO it ended up making QL duel not dumbed down, it's more tactical in QL compared to Q3.

CA is a different story and is very dumbed down, especially with standard 200/100 stack these days. RA3 was a lot more unforgiving but also gave you a high skill ceiling to shoot for. You could have a reasonable shot in 1v4 situations for instance in RA3.

I can totally agree with this, makes sense. I was going to disagree with you - but regarding CA and RA3 - makes total sense. Definitely dumbs down CA/RA3, but duel I agree in both regards.

Only thing I can disagree with really if I had to find anything was the fact that because of ping, worse hardware, etc, 100/100 is effectively higher stack that it is now days. But that's a very faint argument - I totally agree with 100% of the other things you say.

And regarding LG damage, yes it is. I dislike how movements dumbed down as well, but yeah.

But I don't see how they can change anything else and not COMPLETELY change the game.

Actually everything on your list, except for stepping height, increases the depth of the game as it would be ridiculously hitscan heavy without them. When you look at VQ3 games in CPMA, do you feel those have more overall depth than VQ3 games in OSP? The VQ3 games in CPMA give a fairly accurate representation of what QL would look like without the weapon changes.

The damage reductions on rail and LG were needed as the old Q3 weapon balance was made for a very ping dependent netcode and pings of 100+ was common at the release of Q3. With high speed connections and a netcode that reduces the disadvantages of having 60 ping the balance changed. Without the reductions in damage the rail and LG would dominate everything in QL and they are still top tier weapons, along with RL, with the damage reductions. Even with the reductions the LG and RG are still dominant outside of close range fights, but LG and RG would have been god tier without the weapon balance changes. LG at 8 dmg per shot would mean that people would have to have cypher like rocketskill to win close range battles with RL against a mediocre aimer with LG. IIRC the LG damage was changed to 7 in RA3 after a while to not make it LG only.

The RL was speed up was implemented with a reduction in splash damage which makes for a more skilled weapon as it is a little easier to hit direct rockets but you are less likely to get damage on rockets that are not direct.

The netcode changes actually makes the game less about your connection and more about your skill level when playing online. Do you really feel there is more depth to a game where a guy having 10ms ping gets a massive skill boost for having better ping than his opponent that pings 60ms? The hitboxes are actually smaller, but the netcode gives a more accurate representation of the game than with original Q3 netcode. There is still an advantage to having 10 ping over 60 ping, but it is much smaller than it used to be.

Having 300 hitpoints at the start is something that was used at the swedish RA3 pickup for several years and most players preferred it as it reduces the luck factor and makes it more about teamplay than +back and hitting a few 100dmg rails. It is still possible to win 1v4 in CA, but it takes more skill and brain to do so than it used to. CA should be about team play, positioning and overall fighting skill, not rail and +back. If you always end up in 1v4 in CA then you are doing something wrong or the rest of your team is on the wrong server.

You make some good points, and the changes from Q3 > QL can be argued for and against depending on the context.

We could go over the finer points of what is considered 'making the game eaiser' and 'making the game better' for a long time - there's a lot of details there.

The only point I'd like to make is this: There were some changes going from Q3 > QL that made the game 'dumbed down' or 'easier for noobs' or however you want to term it. However, it was done well and didn't impact too much on the game and in some cases has given QL more depth than Q3, mostly in duel.

The second point I wanted to focus on was that making more changes, similar to what happened from Q3 > QL, is very worrying and anyone who enjoys the current gameplay in QL should be concerned. While the changes made in the past have worked out alright, that doesn't mean it will be the same if they do it again.

IMO the worst change id made was 5 second respawn on weapons in duel, instead of 15. It took away the possibility of controlling certain weapons that your opponent was very strong with. Remember in Q4, when I played quite a few duels unlike in QL, that there were certain players I would rather let pick up a YA and take away LG or RG from as it made them much more vulnerable even though they would have more armor. With 15 second respawn it was usually not an option to wait on a weapon unless you had the timing of it. That change reduced the amount of resources one could control and needed to keep track of. Now players are almost guaranteed to get a decent weapon after a short while instead of having to use maybe 20 seconds just to find something that is up. Also miss the max ammo from weapon pickup as now the ammo boxes are much less important.

There aren't really a lot of gameplay changes I would want in CA, CTF or TDM at the moment (don't play duel anymore). Most of the changes I would like is making domination, freezetag and other game modes free for everyone so they are actually played. Better matchmaking, better server browser and other interface changes would also be nice.

Probably wouldn't hurt if they added a random pickup into QL either. Basically you ask for a pickup and it selects similarly skilled players, then create a server and place people into teams. The players then play best of 3 maps with penalties for leaving the match (e.g. 1 day ban from pickups first time and double punishment for each time leaving.) Something like that would be nice for the different team modes, even if it could be challenging for CTF due to the more fixed positions.

The lower spawn time fits the lower game time better

<SyncError> I still prefer 10 minute duels, both because its often 'enough' and certainly allows us to do bo5 in tournaments, which would be pretty much impossible using tl15.

And 15sec weap spawn is definitely too long for a 10min duel.

Having 15 second spawns on weapons would still work in 10 minutes duel, it just means that it is harder to play out of control just after you died. It requires more skill when you have to keep track of time on certain weapons and sometimes you will have to force your opponent to chose between denying a good weapon and denying an armor.

Personally I much prefer 15 minute duels over 10 minute duels. It is still possible to run bo5 with tl 15. CTF is tl 20 and they still do bo5. Of course it is taxing on the players, but so is playing 6 or 7 sets of bo3 with some rounds having hours between them.

The 5 second respawn has been going on for a while... would be interesting to try 10 or 15 again.

Most of the changes I would like is making domination, freezetag and other game modes free for everyone so they are actually played.

just a quick note here to say that you can already spawn freezetag and domination servers available to standard users without an invitation.

I know user spawned servers can be joined, however the main issue is that those servers are not consistent, unlike id spawned servers. Someone needs to keep those servers alive by idling and normal accounts can only have 1 server at a time (organization accounts can have multiple, at least 10 at the same time but very few have organization accounts). As soon as the owner wants to spawn a CA/CTF/TDM server the domination server dies or it dies when no one has been on it for a certain amount of time. To get a consistent player base there must consistently be servers with people on them, which is kind of hard when most of the time no servers are available.

the range-dependency of lg was removed, making it a static 7(?) instead of 6-7-8 i'm pretty sure

It was 8 all the way in Q3 with so much knockback that the player getting hit virtually couldn't dodge if hit by high accuracy.

i must be talking early ql then; my bad

You forgot the biggest game play change, the ammo system in QL completely removed a huge tactical part of the game in weapon control as it's so easy to get ammo.

Yeah, definitely used to hate the whole 'sit on lg, much ammo' thing.

It's even worse now that some popular pro servers spawn with a 2/3 second weapon spawn. It makes the game about nothing but aim.

Proper positioning and weapon choice with slightly weaker aim still wins a fight.

So how do you suggest to keep the more noob friendly servers more noob friendly?

People making new accounts in order to rape noobs has been a problem since day one in QL, I would believe.

I think there's a few things iD can do to help the noobs have a good time:

- Give them the power to control their servers I.E. encourage them to get a pro account so they can spawn servers and kick anyone who's obviously tier slumming. So when people sign up through steam on a free account, make some of the first information they see something like 'Did you know if you subscribe for a PRO account you can control your servers etc etc'.

- Advertise a 'mentor' or 'coach' system like Dota2 has. The 'coach' of a noob can help to provide a level playing field by spawning servers and giving them OP status to kick any troublemakers.

- Give them an outlet for their rage/tears via a reporting feature like most modern day games have. Getting smashed in a duel 30 - 1 might not feel so bad if you can fill out an end game report and pick a category called 'Tier Slumming' and vent your frustration.

Make infected free to play. Everyone loves zombies.

Meteorologically jack-hampered..

Does that mean anticheat will be implemented? :D:D

no

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let me join the no train









no

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you're late.

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See #23

no

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Edit: Didn't know they were ditching premium subs, thank God.

It has a slight chance then, if they do what they should have done when it launched then maybe it can have a rebirth, I really hope they commit to it properly.

GIBS !!!

Custom maps/models via steamworks? :)

that would be so great

Yes please!

Quake moba is comming ;d

would probably be rather fun

like natural selection

I would totally play a moba where you play in first person, build an LG in the secret shop and then strafe jump to the river, get a quad damage run and hop on over to the mid lane to fuck shit up and buy a medkit with my gold afterwards

it beats the current state of mobas where execution is barely a requirement (eg: tap Q and click on bad guy to stun).

I actually wrote down a huge wall of text once about a quake adaptation of Precinct Assault, the pre-predecessor of MOBAs

nobody read it then, nobody read it now :(

NO

muahhaahhahahahah


yes. muhahah

evil laugh

I hope that steam will install ql in a different destination path. I could use some more free space on my system ssd

yes you can

I can what?

you can haz your space

How? By creating a hardlink to another path? Or there are other options?

You can't hard link directories.
a) Make a soft link (or junction as ms calls it)
b) Change launch options pointing ql to different directory. I don't remember how to exactly.

Then fuck it. If i use windows I expect software to be installed where I want. That is why I hope steam will install it in my default steam directory.

MKLINK /J "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\gamefolder" "F:\gamefolder"


This example makes a link from C:\ to F:\.

1. create folder on destination
2. run command

you install the game and tell it where to go? steam has had multiple library feature for like a year now.

orly?

HATS

I want a hat that looks like a sad strenx so that I can join CA games and constantly jumped into lava and voids, unto my death.

lets go, cg_gibs and com_blood

Germany says no, and perhaps other countries, unfortunately :(

I don't see why there aren't two options then, sparks and blood. Like in cs there is a low violence mode for Germans :p

actually steam makes it possible to have different versions for different regions.
valve did it in left 4 dead and CS afaik

Quake Arena Arcade is basically Quakelive on an xbox. It has blood and gibs... and system link (lan)... Just goes to show they haven't listened to the community one bit.

Oh yeah, you pay once so none of the subscription bullshit either.

It's a console game. It never gets updates. Isn't it using p2p servers for that too?

gibs
blood
satan
matchmaking
vac
hats
=
win

international 2015

"hats"
and need to force the setting so everybody can see your hat :D

The drama is going to be sensational!

It already is, even if we don't know what the changes will be.

PLEASE CHANGE QUAKE IT IS DYING

OMG ID FUCK YOU WHY YOU TRY TO CHANGE MY QUAKE

What sucks is they say BIG GAMEPLAY CHANGES INCOMING

and then tell us exactly fuck all about them

Finally someone really tries to move Quake into 21st century.

Does this mean they get rid of all the shittyness on QL that makes QL bad compared to Q3? aka having to pay for old ass maps, being forced to the shitty id servers, no custom content, no LAN etc?

What a stupid question.

Of course not.

I'll give my two cents on the mysterious gameplay changes here too :

- I hope they introduce new stuff for beginners or for some particular modes only, and that they don't change the core gameplay of the game which makes this game so particular (movement especially, but also the old health / armor system very different from modern standards).

- I think timing should remain like it is, but perhaps beginners can have help at the beginning to see item respawn times or they could create special modes with help. At high level, I don't know, I think mistimes allow for game shifts so they are pretty cool in a way.

- I'm waiting for more informations, QL on steam could be very cool if it attracts new player (how would it ? steam advertising only ?) but I fear I'll have to stay away from the game if it's too different from what it is now.

i think they should make PQL standard gamemmode for beginners

Bitch please :P

Even if id massively fucks up QL somehow (which I doubt), we can always mod Q3 again

yes, we can mod q3, and then look at it. just look.

so bootiful, so kawaii

quake 3 mod waifu

from noob friendly changes - i hope they introduce that automatic strafejump like in warsow and nexon, it helps you move better, but if you do it manually you still gain more speed.

PQL

Yeah that's one thing Warsow really got right. Easymode bunnyhop and automatically gain speed over time or do it the old fashioned way. Both ways work fine and it makes no difference to how the game plays, so it would definitely work for Quake since Warsow's movement is much more intricate than QL's.

I wouldn't call it 'getting it right'. its arguable that choosing bunnyhopping as your movement system is very much 'doing it wrong' - in the wider sense atleast as outside of the quake niche, its looked down upon...

I meant it was smart to give the option of an easier movement system that doesn't give you an advantage or disadvantage... you don't have to use it, that's the point.

I'm pretty sure sponge is just trolling.

Sounds like good news sponge It will be interesting to see how you balance making changes to improve retention rates while keeping that Quake feel. Presumably they won't be huge wholesale changes or you'd just call it Quake 5.

Yeah, it's a bit ambiguous, but considering the 'gameplay changes' following sentence:

We want to ensure that FPS fans who check out the game on Steam have more fun in their first match than the current gameplay systems allow.

Anon #22 is most likely right.

Personally, I think QL is fun as it is, including for beginners, as long as they can't play against people who are much, much better than them. I'm not sure that some special super newb-friendly gametypes/features are what is really needed, but I guess it can't hurt either.

An obvious and easy fix to make sure newbs have more fun in their first match is simply to not give them the possibility to join tier 4 servers... Like it used to be a few years ago.

Why are you guys so worried about that?

in the past years everyone was screaming that Quake is going to die because of the decreasing number of players.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO STEAM and we will experience much more players - which might become good oponents in the future.

Noone was saying that they going to change the GAMEPLAY.

Personally I'm looking forward for seeing new players.

Every f2p game on steam has + few thousands players on release. imo

this game has 40k players...
http://store.steampowered.com/app/304930/
lolz...

so graphics should not be a problem for QL at all. Might be even advantage cus more old PCs can run it at 125+ FPS

the problem could be business model.
Not sure if actual subsription is really good.

also matchmaking will help SO MUCH if there will be any.

I think that main hook for subscription is server spawning option which is decent price for a year of playing (plus instant access to all maps that are in rotation - that's how I would put it)
even comparing to how you had to rent server and do anything yourself back in 2003 or so, I think if this is gonna be more exposed feature ql could really succeed on steam

>league of legends

""... we will launch an update that for the first time in Quake Live's history, will bring about some big gameplay changes." lol dumbass

damn your right!

and his left as well!

... the changes need to be taken as one whole package in order to be effective ...

sounds like whatever they are going to change about the gameplay they intend to change across the board. so a separation of 'casual' and 'competitive/classic' rulesets seems less likely.

even if we're being optimistic and assume that the gameplay changes won't screw up the game, it is worrisome that they didn't mention anything about features like improved matchmaking, spectating, demo tools, integrated pickup/tournament systems, etc in the announcement.

having the game on steam will increase the player base in the short term, but not having these kinds of features right from the start of the steam launch will cause the new players to dissipate quickly again.

the ui changes on the other hand sound good. the server browser has needed an overhaul for a long time and the new 'play now' button is a welcome addition.

So scary I don't even want to write a news about that announcement.

quake on steam = more popularity
= great for Quake!

just hope they don't fuck it up and they implement some kind of match making system so noobs dont get discouraged from the game

unfortunately, sponge said there's 0 chance for matchmaking to be released along with steam :D

and if there's gonna be any matchmaking we're in for a lot of waiting :D

I think it's a good thing...

1) Huge platform for advertising.

2) Huge platform user base - millions.

3) Quake live rocks, so people will play it.

4) It'll be cheap, hence accessible.

5) Much better cheat detection (hopefully).

6) Gameplay changes will be user friendly modes for starting and joining games (I assume).

7) An item timer for beginners will feature (I assume), making duelling far more accessible and fun at the start.

8) Mechanics/physics/movement won't be touched (I assume).

9) This is the BIG one...

Tournament promotion across the global platform.

Viewers will go up by the tens of thousands for competitions, for one reason alone: Quake is damned exciting to watch!

That, in turn, will increase prize money, sponsorship and grow the community.

Massive potential!

A certain Cooller quote popped into my mind after reading your post..

Looking forward to this update!

The comments are hilarious, people asking for big updates for ages then when they come go ape shit. Also the fact that they have said pretty much nothing about what the updates will incorporate.... fair enough rage once they release information on what's actually going to be change...

"apeshit" ?

people have expressed they are worried about the gameplay changes to the game they love. hardly any bigtime rage

did you read "id software fail" thread?

a good chance for QL to expand its user base, because people will definitely try it - either because of the Quake name and its legacy, which still carries some weight, or simply because it's a huge new shiny picture at the steam store front page.

that being said, if id are serious about keeping the newcomers playing i expect them to have, upon release:
a) working ladder/rank + matchmaking system together with relevant tutorials
b) as many steam achievements/cards/badges/medals/experience/whatever, which kids these days eat up.

another significant change that could be positive, in my opinion, is the introduction of some sort of ingame currency and a store for maps/skins/hats/etc. Let's face it, nowadays when you can have all the non-cosmetic gameplay features available for free in dota or tf2, not many will stick around to pay 25$ for 12 months of 15 year old community-made maps.

alternatively, i guess they could just add a nicer and bigger PLAY button on the welcome screen, which will than take you to the server browser where you can see those 5 standard duel servers in your area, of which one is full and has a 1900 elo guy destroying 900 elo guys for the next 3 hours, and the other four are empty space duel map servers.

play button already announced

Everyone chill the fuck out, the gameplay changes are for the noobs. The core "pro" gameplay will be untouched. Besides, who here can honestly say they don't want any reloads on their guns and alternative firing mechanics!

UT ROCKET LAUNCHER

UT sucks.

Fact of the day.

I don't want any.

I think they mean mechanics to help people in the lowest tiers, maybe new gamemodes or something of this sort. They're not as dumb as people are assuming here.

I really hope so.

It's the only thing that makes sense. It irks me that they phrased it this way, maybe a newbie could make this mistake, but they should know that they're causing an uproar in ESR unintentionally.

So people are afraid of gameplay changes. I totally get it.
Thats would suck.

The pro's for this changes argues two things:

1. more players
2. changes will be only for noobs

I mean, if changes are only for noobs, you won't play with them.
So the new amount of players will play only together, and us will play only together.

there will be two games in fact.

They will eventually catch up. Why would you want to play with complete newbies from steam? Tier slummer detected :-)

This is my point.

I wont play shitty noob mod with shitty noobz.

So the new playerbase? => useless for us.

They will catch up like everyone else does. I play with people who picked up quake years before and after me.

You need new blood to keep the game alive and yourself from boredom. Current playerbase will gradually decrease without an influx of new players.

I don't know why do I even need to write such obvious facts.

You are arguing something completely different from kenZu.

Do you mean that they are going to play different mod? Can you imagine a new player in ql (even in 2009) starting with duel/tdm/ctf? Everyone started with FFA/CA and moved from there.

kenZu is saying that yeah. There was some sort of new player friendly mod being discussed that would help introduce the elements of proper DM.

Thanks, I was wondering if my english was that bad :(

Still everything I wrote is relevant. I didn't see a different mod as an issue considering most or all new players switched from ffa/ca.

Imagine the mod were designed to introduce the players to the different elements of regular deathmatch. That would be the key to the mod. That way once they understand what's going on, they can move on to play in the higher level games with more confidence. That confidence will make them want to play more.

That's the thought at least.

I don't know why do I even need to write such obvious facts.

It seems that obvious facts are obviously not that obvious

this just in: pro-mode for quakelive implemented

Someone make a proper news item before this thread becomes too big

no u

no u

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u on

on who?

u

how did you make the upside down 'n'?

OT: I live 20 minutes from Oxford :D

Edit: no u

we went through this shit back in 2007. sacrifice a quality game for new players. we knew QL was a step backwards in terms of a game but we had the mentality of "we will get more new players!"

the ship has sailed imo. steam will surely bring more players, but it won't be like it used to be. the times have changes, and it's just easier to not care and try things for fun then to sit there and get upset about Quake changing again because you can't let go of a game or a dream

never letting go of my CA dreamz

massive potatial

steam, fuck steam, am i the only one NOT liking steam? bad day for ql for sure.

You are not but I don't care as long as it's not exclusive.

well, i don't think you will be able to still play from the standalone client, if that's what you mean.

Are they going to use steam's internal browser and old netscape plugin? That would be cool actually - linux client back.

Apparently they are not (according to sponge).

"Today we are thrilled to announce that we are bringing Quake Live to Steam. Upon release, players will have the option of porting their Quake Live account to their Steam account, allowing you to play and update the game entirely through the Steam interface."

option=you can choose

i don't think they mean it that way though, but i see what you mean. I read it as: you can keep you existing quakelive profile by porting it/merging with your steam account.

i really hope im wrong, and just being a pessimist

"option of porting to" = You can chose, you can't keep swapping between.
If it had said "option of using" it would have implied perhaps you could keep swapping back and forth.

i hope you are right

^ this

so you like to play with 100 people available per day.

Just wait until ESR users require valve customer support because something is fucked with their QL account. Regardless of gameplay changes and all that comes with being on Steam... good lord.

Heads will roll.

No, I don't like it either.

I bet Clan Arena is renamed to Rocket Arena. Sounds more 'fun' and a better suit for public servers / gameplay.

Although technically negligible, nostalgically it would be nice to see it return :)

People have been complaining that they want quake updates for a long time now, but now the announcement has been made, people are now saying not to update.

Personally i like quake how it is now, it's a fantastic great small community.

I have been around for 5-6 years now and im still here.

Again, personally, i would like to keep quake how it is now, but if the steam chabge has to happen, it has to happen. All i am worried about is thst there probally will be more players, meaning more complaints, and do the quake team have enough people to handle this?

Anyways, lets hope for the best!!

5-6 years? you have to be jokin

He means, he's been alive for around 5-6 years, and he's enjoys being alive.

so I hope it will end a bit account smurfing? ;p

No, it's really easy to switch Steam accounts, and I assume if it's on Steam then you should be able to change your name to whatever you want anyway.

so im too lazy coz I dont like to switch it :P

Their system isn't going to change significantly, so that won't be happening.
Those that port their account to steam won't lose their name, and people using steam from the start will get to chose a name once in QL from those available too, just as you do currently.

I don't see it being any different to other games that are available on steam (quake3) they didn't change them significantly or add any extremely tight steam integration like your steam name being your in game name or anything.

this is awful

do they really think a game with an engine and graphics from OVER 10 YEARS AGO will succeed?

sure it might not matter to you and me but it does to the average gamer. A LOT.

at least revamp the mechanics into idtech 4 or 5..all this is gonna do is make ql die slower and hurt the chances of the new games coming out to succeed

What new games?

not going to hurt anything
quakelive is toast once zenimax sees that no new subs were added after the huge update. watch them start pulling support in about 6 months.

here's whats going to happen in about a year
the good quakelive players will move to reflex or reborn(10% of ql base)
while the scrubs will move to UT(90% of ql base)

L O L
O
L

Have fun in UT

1) Implement community features.

2) Use QLranks for matchmaking.

3) In-game tournament/bracket features.

4) Embed streams of tournaments.

5) Promote the competitive aspects of the game, similar to how SC2 did.

6) watch it die like sc2 did

didnt starcraft die because south koreans dominated and the game got stale?

I have no idea, I never followed it. I'm just trying to make people angry.

L M A O
M
A
O

didnt see that it died yet

Compared how live it was 2 years ago, now it looks a bit...dead...

look at QL then...

its ultra dead?

Do you remember QL before faceit?
Dark times.

nah, didnt care ;P

It's Jesus on the cross and we're about to get a resserection.

You people that are being positive have to realize this is id you're talking about. This is a company that can't even run a tournament correctly. The Quake community donated money to people so they could watch them compete and id set up the tourney so we couldn't barely even watch any games. Fucking stupid.

When id says 'BIG gameplay changes' we should all be shitting our pants.

You know every demo is out there for you to watch, right?

lmao@demos what is this 1999

If you like casters so much (I'm not blaming you, it brings something different) you can ask one to cast the demo. It's essentially not different from casting it while it's being played.

i dont like any quake caster atm, i like following tournaments

It's way better to watch it live than download a stinky demo where you already know the motherfing result. Also a tournament where people travel halfway around the world to play should be double elimination/

You can use all words on this site. Go ahead, let it out.

cock

Stop being afraid of change damn it! As long as the physics and the RL is there, idk what they do with the game. Remove weps, nerf weps, add weps, idk. I believe this game really needs a hurricane of fresh air.

noob

Will be interesting to see how the changes will affect TDM

lol y would they change the gameplay? the game will gain some publicity on steam which obviously scares some of you, but it'll die after a week. ESR is like the entire playerbase and always will be

dey aint gonna change shit

ESR is like the entire playerbase and always will be

lol

you know its true

I'd say Esr represents at best 0.5% of the playerbase. It's a rough estimation, sure. Consider the fact that the vast majority of the playerbase only plays CA or FFA which aren't exactly gametypes discussed often around. Consider the fact that most of the players, no matter the gametype they play, are playing very casually and not interested at all in the kind of stuff we discuss here. Consider the fact that even among the competitively minded individuals not everyone browses Esr. Consider the fact that a good portion of the playerbase doesn't even speak English.

I'd say Esr represents at best 0.5% of the playerbase. It's a rough estimation, sure.

~1000 users online. Yesterday it was close to 2k. Even if only half of them plays ql at .5% this would account for 200k players total.

Don't forget that we're not talking about concurrent users here and that most of the players only play once in a while. With all the concurrent users QL has over the world at any given time, this figure really isn't unrealistic.
I'm quite happy with the steam move since we'll be able to see how many players on steam are playing QL at the same time. I hope id will reveal what proportion of the playerbase is using steam vs. the standalone.

uh oh..

no hats?
QL 3.0 plz

ROFLLES

I know a few ragers who could use that therapist special weapon

Holy fuck, post of the year,

Fazz spotted!

rofl I lost my shit

AHAH dude wtf!!!!!!!!

Best crazy shit ever man :D!

But if quake turns like this, r.i.p no more quake for me

Reminds me of the pigcops in Duke3D when they are in their overcrafts ^^

first thing i thought of

LMAO!

hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaa

ROFL! Best post on ESR - ever.

I can't even get to plus it (its at 99%) :p

Love the 'special weapon' lol.

looooooooooooooooooooolll

oh how we laughed

100% now

Would love to see the face of all the "QL is DEAD" tards upon reading this news!!!!!!!

also nice to see id taking good advices into consideration :D

I am giddy with joy @ the thought of all the new meat I get to scare away from the gayme

This is win all the way around. Would have been nice say 2010 but hey at least it's happening now. The game can't get any worse or hurt the player base anymore. Idtec5, vac, more maps new and old, hosting our own servers, gtv, modding, getting rid of spawn delay in OT CTF games and hopefully some clever marketing and esports deals to get the life back into this great game.

Now that you mention esports deals, it's rather sad the state competitive quake is. Completely out of everything notorious, not in a single "e-sports" event nor mentioned by anyone relevant, only has one event a year and is a quake-only lan watched by only 5,000 people (not really useful for promoting the game), no sponsors for players and all the rest of activity is practically all donation driven. In the end we all know NA's activity -besides CA- will be non existing until next year and those are the guys that pay the bills here.

In order to change that the game would have to become really popular, or that id software has direct conversations with events, like everyone does these days except them. Will any of those happen?

I still haven't forgotten how sync posted here that he was going to talk with ESL to get quake back...then carmac said they never even made the contact, and obviously that they never offered anything. Probably sync's post is already lost on the interwebz, but carmac's should be doable to find.

What on earth makes you think they'd take on a year+ project of porting a tech3 game to tech5, and with only 2 staff?

not only is it an terrible idea in terms of time/benefit ratio of 2 staff. Using another pre built engine not designed with e-sports in mind has such a big risk as well. If it feels and plays like crap they will have a bad day.

Plus we've been shown that graphics won't sell games or keep retention. Lots of pretty games using unreal or w.e who have focused on graphics that aren't being played today. And on the flip side there are lots of games using outdated engines that are doing just fine eg. WoW. They really just need to cut it simple. Focus on duel and some new gametype that won't create duel anxiety like I donno gun game for instance. Then polish aesthetically and create a well designed ecosystem that facilitates learning, interest, retention and community.

Learning = tutorials, finding the right matches...
Interest = big and small tournaments/cups
Retention = heavily dependent on Learning/Interest and community; so being able to follow players, tournament calendar or notifications and stats eg. tracking progress(could even be stupid stuff like,hey you did more damage with less items that last duel)

heh sorry Yakumo, rant happened to follow your post

Indeed id should focus on polishing the QL with idtech3.
idtech5 quake 1st attempt could be started with RAGE. It already has Tool Kit and people willing to mod. Just needs a few updates - removing 60fps limit, adding movement variables so it would be like QL etc.

iirc removing the 60fps cap in idtech5 would be harder than making the engine from 0. Crazy how something that was variable on previous engines, becomes locked in newer, supposedly better ones.

Maybe they should hire more people... and ones that know what they're doing.

If steam goes well they probably will.
It would show bethesda/zenimax it's still a viable commercial project and worth investing in to capitalize on it further.

im always for a change and like a old schooler i support this. thank quake gods ql gonna see another day.

I think we're all hoping that these changes will only effect new starters..
but nowhere does it say that.

From the wording of the post, it appears these changes will be rolled out across the board..
Quote:
"especially since the changes need to be taken as one whole package in order to be effective"

to my understanding - 'changes' doesn't mean 'new mods'
(although it may well 'include' new mods)

It would only take sponge or syncerror to come on and say
"look guys, don't panic, 'your Quake' won't be changed or harmed"
yet... they haven't done this.

Will they alter the movement? - the weapons? - the damage?
this 'would' effect everyone and would mean 'core change'


I'm delighted Quake is again getting another chance and re-launch.
I'm glad they're trying to bring in new-blood
and no-one would be happier than me to see Quake back on the competitive circuit...
(IEM please?)
but not at the expense of ruining the gameplay we have.


I'm not looking to stir up controversy - I just think it's right that we voice our concerns
BEFORE it's too late.
(and with the limited info we have we're all just guessing)


They say themselves in the post -
that they'll be discussing it..
Quote:
"but we will be iterating internally over the next few weeks to see what works"
so obviously these proposed changes aren't yet set in stone and it may not yet be too late for the developers to listen to our fears.

after all - it's 'our' game as well :o)


If it were just a matter of a 'new mod for noobs' - then that's all it would be, another mod..
no panic - no problem.
a list of assists - with check-boxes that can be turned on and off.

That wouldn't be described as 'big gameplay changes'


Quake as a game is near perfect - what needs to be addressed is how new players can be brought in,
stay in and how they transition over to standard Quake.


I wish them all well... but I fear the worst.

I hope they make a mod / new weapon where you can build shit in team/newbie game modes. Like minecraft or the tf2 engineer or something, but with weapons, for variety.

Playing ctf... going to make this rj... nope, some asshole built a wall of bricks or something in his base. Kind of like the realtime level building in the reflex or reborn demo. Sounds like a super fun good time for beginners.


Oh yeah, and ladders and leagues and stuff for the normal gametypes.

Wow...

Reminds me of Red Faction.

Just looked that up, sounds neat. Was it any good?

It was fun but I really didn't play it much (only at a friend's house)

It was awesome, played with friends. You could attack enemy's base by digging a gallery directly toward it underground with the rockets.
Or you could open new camp spots in the walls. Blow up an entire wall section with the super rocket launcher.

Weapons were hilarious, and totally unbalanced, wich always adds fun. I remember there was a weapon, sort of a sniper rifle whose bullet was like a pole , single shot that could penetrate all the walls, reaching the target even on the other side of the map. Trough the floor. To make it cutier they gave it a thermal scope able to see trough walls. The usual tactic with it was to open a hole in a wall with an explosive charge, enlarge it to make it a little room, and then camp inside peoples on the other side of the map trough the walls. Ai enemies wouldn't do anything to you, since they couldn't understand or enter modifications to the basic map.

when will this be done?

"when it's done"

G I B S
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/callvote kick Lam

F3, FFS!!!!!

Kids. :|