Things like cosmetics and microtransactions would require ID to really put their weight behind it. So I'd love to see stuff like announcer packs and new character models or skins that people could buy to fund monthly tournaments or something but I dont see that happening.

A tutorial where you duel a bot and have to get 5 reds and 5 megas would be good though. Teaches the fundamentals of the gametype to new players so they know what to do in their first duel against a real player.

Apart from that I'd like to just see the tier system working a bit better. I dont know anyone in tier 1 or 2 for anything. Even me and I suck at quake. It might be good to use them more if there are enough players for it and have tier 3 to really be the second best tier and not just the tier for everyone who isnt tier 4.

QL achievements should work as steam achievements for new casual players. Heck even steam trading cards with different QL characters on it could be a thing which may appeal to new casual players

Custom skins would not work in Quake - where everybody use ForceEnemyModel imo. So basically microtransactions are impossible.

I imagine they would just be for your own benefit. It would be the skin for your character on your profile and for your team mates to see.

But yeah its not ideal. The only way it would really be worth it is if they removed forceenemymodel, and while I dont think they would think twice about doing that (they had the balls to put loadouts into the game), I dont think they are interested in skins in the slightest.

Skins require dedicated artists as well sent to "maintain" QL. When was last time you saw something new in terms of content in Quake except maps? :D

Thats why I dont think they would bother with it. I personally dont care if it has skins or not, but it might help draw in the punters. People love that shit.

Alternative skins are fucking amazing man! :D

yeah, just remove cg_forceteammodel, add buyable weapon skins, projectile graphics, character skins.. old idea.. never gonna happen

Along the lines of for your own benefit, It would cool to force model or head/body/leg color for particular friends/trolls. Just set up a few custom models (pink bitterman) in your config and add names the custom cvar similar to how the blocklist works.

Additionally, you could purchase additional "slots" for more custom models to assign; so you can have your pink trolls, teal friends, green nobodies...

seta custommodel1 cg_enemyheadcolor 0x00FF00FF...

Just imagine it, custom LG beams and multi coloured oh you fucker boyyyy

Yeah sounds cool, you could have a mode where you have to complete a bunch of objectives, like 10 direct rockets, 5 pickups of RA in a row, movement above a certain speed, frags scored etc. You could have a sort of bronze/silver/gold/platinum/diamond award for how far you get. So if you want to get diamond, you have to get all the RAs and hit much faster speeds and accuracies, much more frags, no deaths.. make the diamond level really hard, but the bronze level pretty easy.

That clever actually. Like in Mortal Kombat where you are playing and an objective pops up saying "block 5 attacks", then you do it and another one pops up.

You could just play the tutorial game and have different objectives popping up like the ones you said and you could potentially teach someone a bunch of stuff all in one game rather than facing them with a wall of different tutorial sessions.

You could just have 5 objectives in the corner, for example:

- get 5 red armours
- get 5 mega healths
- Get 10 kills with the rocket launcher
- Get 10 kills with the railgun
- Get 10 kills with the lightning gun

And have an item timer in the other corner so they know that the spawns arent random for the major items and so they know how long the time is between spawns.

Make sure in loading screens there are tips explaining how and when to use each gun (rockets at their feet, LG at mid range, rail at long range) and then bam. They have learnt quite a lot in just 1 tutorial game.

dont even mention MK and their games for windows bullshit

shut your damn mouth

release your mouse for fucks sake.

Sounds like stuff for the already existing Training Center. That should be put more forward.

sponge mode on = tl;dr , I don't care

DEFAULT TO SHOWING ALL POPULATED SERVERS!!

As far as I know the current default is to hide full servers (even including servers that have spectator slots open). This is crazy! New players will think the player population is even smaller than it really is.

Isn't that what the new layout already does?

I don't think so - pretty sure I still have to go to 'filters' and select 'all populated'. I'm open to being corrected if I've messed up somehow, though.

I mean I'm sure that is what I have to do, but because it seems like such an obviously silly default I wonder if I've accidentally set it like that myself or something. The plusses suggest I'm not the only one, though.

This

The strafe-jumping tutorial should have a tutorial ghost, and tutorial mode.

Tutorial ghost would just cyclically run the obstacle the straightforward way it's intended, just as you can see player ghosts in race. Additionally a player could allow ghost-run POV, where they would be put in the pov of the ghost and they would get what the movements look like from their own perspective. Keystroke overlay a plus. Strafe jumping/circle jumping is not that hard, it's simply hard for people to understand because they don't get the physics. Maybe that should be a part of the tutorial:

Tutorial: Press forward and jump at the line. Good! We marked where you landed. You can see it identified there by the green line. There is a red dot in front of you. Center your crosshair on it. Good! As you move forward the red dot will move, try to maintain your crosshair on the red dot while continuing with your forward movement and pressing the left/right strafe key and jump keys as the on-screen queues come up. It doesn't matter for the purpose of this demonstration that you precisely track the red dot. Don't worry about it! Have fun. Great job! We marked where you landed now with a blue line. You will see that you have landed further than your initial 'green' mark. This is because you have inertia and momentum. Overtime, this will seem natural and not so complicated. While you can't effect your directionality (excepting gamemodes we will discuss later), you still possess angular momentum and forward inertia. You have just executed a strafe jump! It doesn't matter if this all makes sense right now. There is now an obstacle course before you and your friendly red dot from the first test. Again, try and follow the red dot with your crosshair while following the button prompts on screen. They will come a little early, so don't get too excited or daunted.

Anyway, just an idea...

We've got this planned for Reflex. You walk over an "info pickup" and it shows a multiview window of someone performing the jump (complete with keypresses).

Here's a newbie trying to do the practice level. It get's kinda funny when he tries to do the strafe jumps (7:30).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj_0p6E0FXo

LOL:) yeah he needs some of this:

set v_rjump "+moveup; wait 3;+attack;wait;-moveup;-attack"
bind [key] "vstr v_rjump"

It's quite sad to see the annoyance and how frustrating that can be, of not even being able to jump past the last in the first, and the then having to stop in the 2nd and 3rd. More tutorials and instructions or at least links to helpful guides.

This is the standard that you have to accommodate and expect coming to new servers.

People say that this whole steam thing will atract new players. I wonder what NEW PLAYERS do u guys mean? Everyone interested in FPS games already knew about Q3/QL/UT and they made their choise about favourite game. If ID thinks that suddenly all MOBA community will get bored with stupid lol/dota games and magiclly switch to QL then they r big morons:p

What they need to do with QL is to actually offer sth to the CURRENT playerbase. Sth that ppl would like to pay for and dont feel screwed afterwards.

Making more noob-friendly gameplay is just BAD for everybody. QUAKE IS COMPETITVE game, if u r not competitor then i have no idea why would u like to play QL :D Anyway, this community has NO NEED of that kind of ppl who can't deal with hardcore gaming.

maybe because that steam is the biggest pc platform if you mean players number?

When people will see QL f2p to install on steam they will do it.

Its irrelevant! Well OK the number of registered players might increase but they will quit very soon becouse they will quickly realize that this game is too much for them and they will come back to their easy and already nerded lol/dota. All im saying is that everybody who wanted to try quake has already done it. Quake is the most popular game title there is no need to introduce it to anybody even on the biggest pc platform . When i speak with my friends which have literally NOTHING to do with computer games at all and the word QUAKE pops out they are like OH YE THIS is THAT CLASSIC SHOOTER game.

thats why its need proper matchmaking before QL will hit the steam.

and as Yakumo said, there is a lot of people which doesn't know about of QL, and also many young people know only the name of Quake and nothing more.

but... if you ask me, it will be rather fail than success.

also for casuals premium/pro was always too expensive for such old game.

Great, you cross posted a comment, now I have to cross post replies :(

Tons of people don't know quakelive exists, even old quake players.
It's had very little advertising.

Steam is an advertising panzer tank.
Also there are people kicking around now who simply don't want to install games unless they're on steam.

Tons of people don't know quakelive exists

Any proofs of that thesis ?

So what ur saying is that people who wanted to play some shooter game, somehow missed the QUAKE title ? All kids are too lazy and not commited that much, to play and stay longer with QUAKE. They're just MOBA GENERATION, they get headaches when they see green robots fighting so FAAAAAST

Oh come on, I've even met people that have never heard of Quake.

Ye I have grandparents too :D

Well I hope u r right man and steam ql hype will last longer than just a weekend ! have a + :D:D

But still Tons of people don't know quakelive exists is just big assumpion ;P

year and a half ago I was doing a comp sci degree, very, very few students I met even knew of Quakelive.
They all knew Steam, and got most of their games through that, or only played on consoles.

I don't know... I'm pretty sure the percentage of pupils in a secondary school in France who know what QL is is pretty low...

They know about CoD, new video games, they know about BF, about minecraft, about Diablo 3, things of their time and things they see on videogame.com or in magasines.

I wouldn't be surprised that 50% of young players never heard of QL, but I might be wrong.

There's a reason why they never heard of quake - they are nerding much easier games, and not really interested in any other titles :)

Well ok let's assume that 50% of kids never heard of quake, but still i can't imagine them switching from their current games, like u said minecraft, diablo and mobas to MUCH MORE SKILLFULL and in general reflex-dependend game, like QL. The other 50% heard of quake and didnt like it

the reason they dont play quake is simply because quake doesnt fucking exist anymore. quake was a game in the 90s and quake 3 was a game 10 years ago. nobody wants to play shitty old games theyve never played before.

if quake live gets released on steam as f2p, it wont be an old forgotten game anymore. its a shitty f2p game, which has way better chances of gathering a playerbase than a shitty old game nobody plays anymore.

also quake isnt a hard game to get into. anyone knows how WASD and shoot. compare it to dota where you have a shitton of heroes, shitton of items and a shitton of stuff you have to know before you can even say you know how to play and its still one of the most popular games ever.

[wasd and shoot] lol Hmm how do you change weapon? I wonder why every key on my mouse and keyboard is bound to "something" in every Quake title I have played, with scripts to rebind keys for TDM and CTF must be something conflicting here.

I don't see your point, there is a shit load more in the dynamics of an FPS game than any "strategy" based game.

As if you needed alternative binds to start playing Quake. Any new player will just use the mouse wheel to switch weapons and won't need TDM/CTF specific binds.

and how long will that player stay with those, soupherb weapon choice selections, on a multi scroll uncontrollable mouse wheel? Come at me with SG and then scroll up to LG and I will win every time.

Ask dem0n.

yeah I knew when I was writing that there was one who is an exceptional, exception to the rule. But I am pretty sure he has LG bound somewhere.

Just pummel.

Unless you have a shit mouse it's actually quite easy to scroll just enough to get to the weapon you want. I used that for quite a while. I wouldn't be surprised if most QL players were switching weapons that way.

I would be surprised. Most have their most used weapons individually bound to keys, including wheel, so that up = 1 weapon or down = another. Some have jump on wheel down in other games I have seen which is interesting. Obvious to many, but doing this takes away one aspect of thought, so that you can actually concentrate more on what you are doing with that weapon choice. QW was better as with alias's and qizmo, as you could have one key select the +bestweapon alias, which was well handy if you were not quite sure what weapons you had in your inventory (at that moment of quick reaction). Every little ms helps.

prob more like 99%.

lol.

if the game is good and interesting, people will play it and learn as they go along.

quake is meant to be easy to learn hard to master, yet everybody bangs on about the importance of tutorials...

What? People learnt original quakes by and large by playing vs bots or the campaign and thus developed the very basics of fps gaming this way.

No game is fun if the first 6 hours you spend you can't even get an item, or jump properly without getting raped, or end up losing 50-0...

It's pretty hard to learn if you can barely even move since your constantly dead, people don't have the patience for that

the people that are going to play QL nowadays more than likely have already played FPS games, sure maybe not quakelike fps games, but still...

if the game is not fun on contact, what makes you think that they will grind tutorials?

I'm sorry, but this reeks of excuse making and deflection. You touch on some of the reasons that Quake can be tough to get into, but a tutorial system that most people wont really try other than to get access to the game as quickly as possible is not going to turn around quakes fortunes.

As pointed out in some other thread, barely 5% of people completed a single online match in any gametype and I dont think you can blame it entirely on getting raped; duel might be slightly different, but the fixation on 1v1 and not real 'social' teammodes is an issue in and of itself. I've seen countless players in other FPS games with mediocre scores yet they keep playing. Something else compels them to keep playing.

So your argument is that the whole quake genre sucks since it is not fun? Since it was big once for a reason even if it is dated in appearance and functionality now...

Nobody is arguing quake will ever reach its former glory in this period nor should anyone hope for a massive resurgence of players. But arguing if you think that ignoring the possibility of helping anyone learn with some inherent tiered/learning structure will help then you completely the miss the point.

It's not an excuse but you blowing off the idea of its benefits is as bad as me claiming its the solution, which I am not.

Plus as you well pointed out the fundamentals of quake are nothing like any mainstream fps game for the past god knows how long so yes people coming will not understand it.

since quake came out, the bar has been raised in every category. Quake was popular in the past because it did the same thing at the time - nowhere else could you see, do or experience the things you can in quake3.

I started playing DOTA2 last year having never played a MOBA before. I begrudgingly did the very first level of the tutorial then went straight into queuing. the same is true for all my mates that had the same experience level as me.

I think the resources would be better spent implementing things that let people play together more. I've tried to introduce my friends to QL, but the experience just isn't there for us - not because its too hard, they are generally decently skilled FPS'ers (met them via Natural Selection2) but it simply doesn't really feel like we are playing together, more like we are each more or less in our own game. I play the odd 1v1 on my own, but pretty rarely. I'm also too old to be wrapped up in my own ego to try and be competitive and practice etc.

Basicly, I'm skeptical as to how much a CoD type firing range where you 'learn' the weapons is going to help in the grand scheme of things.

Bots and tutorials are the way forward. b4 I even ventured online in quake 1, I played the "single player" game on normal, getting every kill and every secret, then on hard doing the same, then on Nightmare, and again on nightmare, then again without dieing or saving on each level. Then, and only then, did I go online. I wasn't creamed as much as I would have been if I had not done that. For Quakelive a "Multiplayer" only game, I think tutorials are the only way forward to stop failure.

I am currently learning CS-GO at the moment, and I see the quality / vods of what people know and do, and their experience from CS first editions. And I know that if I go in straight away, I am going to suffer, maybe even ragequit too quickly. So I am quite hesitant to go online, but I am doing all the tutorials, and v's bots etc, and am now again progressing up from easy! upwards. I have learnt loads, but still no way near what some of these guys are pulling off, and the tactics they use. Maybe I won't like CS-GO at the end of it anyway, but at least I have had a fun ride, "learning the tutorials", and beating my time trials and Levelling up with the bots etc.

I really don't see how you can think that any FPS player can just jump on into a game where people have amazing knowledge of the game, without the initial practice. I have seen a few good people who have jumped ship into Quakelive, but not many, and I think that's mainly as they don't get initiated /trained well enough.

thats a bit of an oxymoron though isn't it? QL best multiplayer FPS, but first player singleplayer for a few months....

yes I suppose, but it depends on how you look at it. If you are new to the mouse and keyboard thing and / or new to FPS games, then, I don't see how having some fun, at the start learning it. So, then when you do go online it is "the best multiplayer" online experience. And not a newb fragging fest, where people leave.

"constantly dead", this is gooood!

Easy to learn...

Well I played Q3 when I was younger, only vs bots. Then, I stopped playing Quake for a long time and didn't even know about WCG, ESWC, QCON, etc. All I learned then was, kill everything that moves, and how to use the weapons.

I discovered QL in 2009 or 2010 I don't remember, and I never heard of config modifications (the menu at the time had almost no cvars modifications); the forceenemymodel was default on off, I never heard about timing, I never heard about strafe jumps, etc.

I had to read through tons of commentary, learn the cvars and so on, watch tutorials about strafe jumps in order to learn. These parts of the game are important.

I think new players should know everything from the start and tutorials are really important. It's better to learn things step by step with pleasing methods than discovering after some time that you could actually time the items...

I never heard about strafe jumps

sounds a bit like my quake 1 experience, but when I played CTF it didn't matter I just used the grapple to get round ;)

1)
the average steam kiddies have the attention span of a squirrel and yet have to understand a rather complex fps within it. i can't imagine them reading trough the long game manual or absolving long boring tutorials, before getting owned.

make a 10...15 minutes "welcome to quake live" youtube video for the newbies, that is an awesome fragmovie which runs/pauses to show/explain:
the first minute just fast paced hardcore frags to catch attention and introduce.
the weapons with their characteristics, default bind positions highlighted and combinations while awesome fragging is going on with them.
the hud with health/armor counting down above 100 and the 1/3-2/3 dmg distribution.
the item timings and the concept of spawn, stack up, fight and restack.
the movement system with a car drift analogy.
and implement that shit into the homepage instead of the "sponsor: quake live".

make zeroql do it or reban him.


2)
default r_enablebloom "0" if it still is "1"


3)
link booty zooty's movement guide:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL37zHS...xuzZbEEDvW


4)
increase the number of tiers even when it will reduce the number of players within those. even a trained chimpanzee sees that 4 tiers ain't sufficient to map ql's skill distribution and provide balanced games.


5)
canalise the steam newbies via "play now" into ffa (and clan arena), those gametypes are noob friendly and easier to have fun with.

the average steam kiddies have the attention span of a squirrel

make a 10...15 minutes "welcome to quake live" youtube video

Keppo

I like 1)

FFA noob-friendly?

: DDDDD

When noobs play quake live for the first time they are overwhelmed by the amount of things they need to know. I always thought that encouraging noobs to play simpler maps with each other (maybe ffa and clan arena) would help them get used to all the crap they need to do. Smaller maps like q3dm1 and dm2.

Of course, it's up to the game for the simpler maps to be fun.

Very good ideas on OP

I uh... maybe I should post this here.

[...in response to some blockhead who stated he enjoyed his first game even though he got decimated]

Yeah, the other 100 didn't.
Some sources quote that in early 2014 we still had up to 100 unique new players giving the game a first try PER DAY (if you want you can remove the obvious alt accounts which would still mean a decent number of new players daily)

They left and all those accounts show one or two games played, both ending up with no frags and extremely high number of deaths.

I was able to get in contact with few of those (found similar nick on leddit) and asked them what happened and all of them gave me the same answer.

Gave it a try, weren't even aware how to move or how to choose weapons and often got insulted or kicked from the server. They got destroyed bad. And before someone tells me well duuuur, back in 2001 I played with no matchmaking and stats and it worked fine duuuur... yeah, it might, I believe it did, but it is not working now in 2014. That's the problem, times have changed, games have changed, gaming as a whole has changed and if we want people to give the game a shot we need to first and foremost make sure they even attempt to play a second match before leaving the game and never touching it again.

Maybe bringing back the Crash course that let you set up your binds and sensitivity and playing a round with a bot which increases or decreases skill accordingly would help.

Placing more warning notes when joining a higher tier server - at least letting those newcomers know that they're in for a beating.
I'd rather see them invest more time in preventing alt accounts from slumming then creating a non-viable ground for newcomers ... which eventually led to COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY game change.
There are so many good ideas floating around which don't revolve around physics and ruleset change.
The reason why I kept playing wasn't because I adored the ruleset and wonky physics - all newcomers will find them distracting in some way or another because they are either used to something else or not used to FPS gaming at all.

I didn't stick around because the gameplay was great, but even though I wasn't reaching the top of the scoreboards I still had fun games with players around me. If I was playing another game today and started Live in tier 3 I definitely wouldn't bother playing it as much - people would just mess with me and rocket jump in the air while I would try to reach them with the LG beam, unaware that is doesn't do damage on distance. I saw tier 1 and even though the players are practically disabled (most of them cannot use mouse and keyboard at the same time), I would place someone who is completely new to the game either there on in Tier 2.

What's also missing is the elo or elo equivalent - I don't care if it's MS copyrighted, just RANK the players somehow (not using a 3rd party website)

Make rank and Tier more RPG-ish, this is what drives people to improve. Instead of having 4 tiers, how about introducing "levels"?

You start at level 1, as you gain experience you "level up" and your profile updates accordingly.

Tiers would remain the same, but they would be split in let's 40levels. Level 1-5 are Tier 1 players, level 6-15 tier 2, level 16 to 30 tier 3 and levels 30-40 tier 4

This would give people something to aim for, and once you reach a certain level you stop caring about the whole thing since you're now already a certified QL EXPERT PLAYER with that elitist "I don't care about stats" attitude... even though it was the thing that kept you playing.

Seriously there's SO much stuff out there better than LOADOUTS.
Strafing doesn't need fixing, it worked fine, it was just presented in an old fashioned way.

This is what infuriates me the most - instead of patching up a blown tire on a car they decided to replace it with a wooden one, since now the car tire cannot burst.
At the same time they remove the core essence of driving.

Stupid sleepy analogy but you get the drill - strafing wasn't FIXED, it was REPLACED with another model which is "inferior"

I could go on and on about this and it wouldn't change a thing.



This makes me kinda sad so fukit.

I got a bit carried away and brainfarted too much stuff which is hugely irrelevant to your post but who cares right.

Actually it's pretty relevant.

I like the "level" system. This gives people the impression they progress (even if it's not really the case).

I may be wrong, but perhaps staying bad while gaining some levels based on god knows why would best please newcomers than getting better without having any "evidence" of it.

I'm not sure I'm understandable on that point, but anyway the level idea is pretty good. You could get levels with frags, number of excellent, number of games won, etc.

I like the multiple tier system idea, would balance things out loads more. Needs quite a few elements in it to create those numbers of tiers. I am sure there's a way to do a reverse ranking / levelling up system, that won't screw with the MS copyright.

stopped reading @ Okay

Can we stop having these threads every two or three days?


We need a new arena FPS with news maps to even the playing field. The fact that so many can't see this is insane.

We have a bunch. We don't need anymore or they might all fail.

You need it.

Also, nobody forces you to read these threads.

Bit sleepy, and maybe out of date, but sod it :P Biggest things in my mind at this time with steam launch, are definitely more Tutorials, with proper fight scenarios, or smaller portions of the game broken down into smaller achievements. Like basics, Dropweapon, or RJ away or flag grab skills, defence skills attack, mid, team, powerup protector, FLAG stuff, or some stuff like that.

I like the idea of the the color coordinated movement guide idea someone mentioned above, with shadow following. Adding in key stroke intuitive bot instructions "you pressed jump before strafe that time, which stopped you going further" etc.

Definitely more involvement in the BOT tutorial missions /scenarios is needed before going online. Maybe a warning sign, "you are not quite ready son and will get pwned"

Levelling up, levelling up self explanatory, Shooting with Speed records = not just defragging, but fast fragging with defrag. (don't say that 10 times fast) and community things (which steam has some of that anyway)".

I liked the idea of skins, however could be scripted badly. (bad example: change color of skin mid game to REDARMOR SKIN, to pretend you are the RA, whilst squatting down or whatever ;D) Skins always has been a good idea though, and was loads of fun messing round. (but still have forcemodel option available).

One thing that might be good, which I think is even more of a current one, is perhaps to have Tailored Weapons (cannot force this part off). So you can have, style of weapon, or weapon skin / color / make / limited edition etc of that type of weapon. So it is still distinguishable but your own personalised one. Does the same dmg, but can be a nice chatting point, seeing a new gauntlet diamond and ruby tipped coming at you.

Or even buy some dancing blue swede shoes if you want (but these can be "forced off") or whatever. Nice touch for the personal side for us players. And a good investment if it works well in this title. (So what if it takes a few graphics people, get a "few" done, see how it goes.)

Maybe do some trading of your skins in the steam community online etc. (skins is quake where it originated ish)

Maybe a little graphic editor within the game or on steam so you can have your custom, "call mark", like "you've been shafted by suchandsuch" (obviously with a profanity filter).

Also maybe Transactions (which is on steam anyway): I have scene so many transactions going down in the gun dealership online in steam. People buying and selling virtual knives selling for £324.. I'm seeing limited edition weapons continually, on there for like £300 quid and stuff, and people are buying them, al;so some cheap as chips stuff like £0.03 etc

Sounds quite appealing / addictive perhaps / fun, to be able to get some customisation, onto your steam profile.

How about bonus reward packs for winning matches, or getting +net or better dmg ratio token jesture / reaching achievements. Open the pack bingo, "10 blade flick-knife gauntlet edition" Come on. At least when you die a thousand times, you at least have some decent profile pictures, your records of achievement, screenshots, whatever skins, groovey weapon models edited achievements, share with your friends. All ages, can help them be creative too.

Take the rage out of the game, build more confidence with learning.

There are so many options going round, just do some, to make it fun, and keep retention, and continue to nurture and grow the community :)

PS League management (which should be at the top but I am tired now): make it easy to administer, populate and regulate.

nothing of this is going to happen anyway ... lulululululu

steam release?remove latest update..

Last 2 now.

NOOBS

I took part in many communities in net.
And what I saw in several of places is that whole project died just because of not understanding of importance of new people that try to join. Oldskul users killed whole community by calling beginners noobs, lamers and other not very attractive names.

Same problem I see in quakelive!
So, lets bring more attention to beginners.
And not by dead no soul system means (like tips in game, timers, spawn heavy weapons, etc - implemented in new updates), but by means that are more important as they touch most important part of online gaming - interaction between players.

MOST important gamers experience in this game is ability to be not at the bottom. FPS lovers want to come and get some kills!

To stay 5-6 FFA matches at bottom of list is MOST frustrating thing that can happen to beginner. Such situation lasting for a week or two weeks kills any desire to continue with the game.
Don't tell beginner that he is beginner and he needs to learn a lot of stuff to get into middle of the list. You will say correct things, but it will not help beginner to play better and feel better. He wants to play on default config on his 60 hz laptop and get some frags! AN get to top! And this is possible if server has same level players.

Prevention of such bad game experience is possible only in one case: if server will have only beginners inside or players that play at beginner's level!

From my point of view really important changes are this pack:

0) Implementing ranking system like qlranks or even adoption qlranks as part of the game.

1) Beginners must NOT see any servers that requires rank more then, lets say 1400. NOT see means not see them in list of available servers. So, when player registers, he will be able to see only servers of beginners. Only when beginner's rating goes over 1400 beginner can move up and join servers with 1400-1700 rating requirement.

2) Beginners must be NOT AWARE of existing players who are currently called tier slummers. So, any player with rating above 1400 will be not allowed even join beginners servers! Only when beginners rating goes above 1400 he is able to see list of all servers and will be even join them, but not play, only spectate.

3) Beginner is a person that must have priority of joining matches: servers for beginners must be always available. When player grows up it will learn ranking system and will understand that having no suitable server at 10:00 in the morning is NORMAL situation for players with ratings 2600-2800 and will not leave game just because of this.
Now its possible in some morning that such 2600 player joins beginners server (usually only beginners play at morning) and causes damage to game experience of beginners (hard to imagine worse thing that can be done in this game at all).

4) Once player reached some level, he will not be able to PLAY in lower level's servers, only spectate there.

5) With such system all new reg accounts (created by cheating or just good players) will pass very fast beginners server and will not enter it any more till next registered account!

Increased population of new players from STEAM will help to support such servers rank based system.

In short - beginner is a holy cow of any game/community. And if you don't pay attention to beginners, then whole game dies.
And if you understand this and if you care, you will never win someone (even not beginner) like 30:-2 in duel and you will never will play FFA game like you with 50 at first place and second by you player with 20.

To stay 5-6 FFA matches at bottom of list is MOST frustrating thing that can happen to beginner

that feeling of frustration is not only beginners!

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hats

cooller

I like the idea of advertising quake live as the hardest fps game to play/learn, regardless of whether its true or not, you will get all the kids with huge egos from cod/cs/whatever popular fps, attempting to play and learn the game. Also, kids won't feel too bad for getting stomped.

I've heard someone suggest this before and I think its a pretty solid route.

nah, they're also very fond of excuses.

"people had 15 years to master it"

which is true :p

although hardest, shouldn't include shittiest balance.

I'm pretty sure QW is a bit harder. But it's so rewarding at the same time.

yup for sure, RA should always be Stronger Armour. Quad should always be Quad, RIP 666 :)

QW is imbalanced as hell, but that's what makes it so good. Pure destruction at lightning speed.

ofc, go tell 'em, convince 'em all. Yes QW was, but it wasn't a shitty unbalanced imbalance, if you get what i'm saying!

It still is. ; )


THE FLAME OF TRUTHFULNESS STILL GLIMMERS

yes it is, tbh a month or so ago, installing nquake with all the settings installed was real a blast, with this type of hardware of these days. Amazing smoothness. Not sure what its like online, but probably exceptional, considering I was used to anything from 150-400 ping. That netcode was (is :)) exceptional. Used to play after everyone in the uK had gone to bed in the US with high ping and still it was very functional and enjoy able Nowadays you can't hit for shit on a 150 ping in QL.. wtf?

100 is pretty playable in QW. Ofc you want less tho.

if the players are on equal pings it is ok, I guess. Just run from the equal or better players who have LPB status ;P

Bar a brief test in the QL beta Quad hasn't actually been quad since Quake II :D

there were some servers with 4x, I was sure of it in Q4.

"The damage value can be modified by /g_quadfactor in the console. The default is 3 so if the player types in "/g_quadfactor 100", the weapons damage will be multiplied 100 times when the Quad Damage is being held."

for q3 and q4

who patented quad dmg anyway:

https://forums.epicgames.com/threads/806246-Quad-Damage-FINAL