add
endif(mid air map)
csgo surf as options as well

This is the mod I've played for my first few months of online FPS experience. I was such a noob back then and was unaware that Lithium had air control (if I even knew what that meant back then). Infact, every time I tried to get that "red laser" (hook) I typed +hook and then -hook in console. Oh...good times.

shitty noob.

GOTASSCLAN-server? Was fun as hell!

Duel.

Stop taking vidyagames so seriously.

Duel seems like the stereotypically more serious gametype.

Only if you take it seriously.

Originally posted by Sponge:
The post-peak launch and no featured spot is intentional, we're already having trouble with the current player counts. No point in advertising if it will just take the game down.

Posting on wrong thread? Anyway great logic there! Insted of scaling the resources accordingly and doing a proper launch, they kind of hide the game.

LOLWTFBBQ

AQ2 was epic

bomb mode would be fun

i think the most important aspect of a casual-friendly game mode is that there has to be a very clear objective that players can immediately understand.

stuff like item control, powerup timing etc in something like tdm is not obvious enough for completely new players. game modes like domination or a rush/bomb type mode on the other hand should be instantly intuitive to them (variants of domination are pretty much the de-facto standard game mode in all modern fps games).

bottom line is, casual players need to have an objective (capture control points, set the bomb, etc) that they can work towards and succeed in accomplishing, despite not having the best combat skills or a deep understanding of the deathmatch metagame.

newbs aren't going to play it if it has air control

Steam stats 9/19/14 peak players:

CSGO: 222,526

TF2: 74,171

Quake Live: 3,233

yeah aircontrol with no acceleration is hardly comparable

because accelerating by getting your cursor at a specific angle is way easier to learn than looking right and moving right to accelerate.

no, because with no acceleration it all doesn't matter, wasd for movement is enough

It's quite comparable if you play cs surf, whereas the acceleration is not the main thing, there's lots of air control going on even more than in cpm defrag.

You can be the best cs player in the world and not know any of it though, so it's irrelevant.

Irrelevance of that is irrelevant, there's still way more players who know the air control mechanic in CS/TF than players who know the acceleration mechanic in Q3. The argument was that noobs don't play if it has air control, well Skyrim happens to have air control and noobs are playing it to the death.

I don't think that really was the argument. It's an argument that regards movement complexity, not a checkmark that it doesn't have air control. You're nitpicking over words.

Well, let's forget that argument for a moment then and move to yours. CS movement is complex in it's own way, just because it doesn't have acceleration, doesn't mean it's without skill curve. CS 1.6 does have acceleration btw and bunnyhopping is much harder than in QL/vQ3 where no timing is required as you can just hold jump key and jump immediately on contact with floor. As for your previous comment, you can in same way be in midst of top duelers in QL while having nothing on middle tier defraggers.

Yeah, that's a dumb comparison. You absolutely have to be very good at movement to be top in the world - cypher is renowned for his movement, for example, and possibly no defraggers would be as fast as him in a duel map, even if they're better at just strafing.

In CS, meanwhile, you can literally do no jumps and be okay almost always. If you need any, it's just rare cases. The fact that you didn't appreciate this at the start kind of makes you out to be willfully ignorant.

In CS good movement becomes part of the arsenal in combat, it's not about jumping and speeding around maps as much as it is about evading and being able to shoot at the same time, which as you know is much harder with the engine interruptions. While it may not be much, there are several areas where experienced bunnyhopper can make a significant difference.

Rare cases only huh? Tell me more about that +back camping strategy and how swift their movement is in QL, even fucking CS players rush more. Cypher's movement is renowned simply because vQL players in general just suck at it.

Cypher's movement is renowned simply because vQL players in general just suck at it.

Well you're knowledgeable aren't you.

:)

Air control or gtfo pretty much.

"You absolutely have to be very good at movement to be top in the world - cypher is renowned for his movement, for example, and possibly no defraggers would be as fast as him in a duel map, even if they're better at just strafing."


lolwut?

amidst a duel, while moving crosshairs to where enemy is, not doing it to set a time - yeah, that's what I meant.

And that is at the least twice as difficult in CS, you lost, case closed.

EDIT: Wait I already pointed that out. Learn to read.

you must be joking

You must have never played it.