Is this a reality show? twitch.tv 2GD channel

He talk the talk but does he walk the walk?

no

I have no hope whatsoever for Reborn, due to the fact that the game has been in development for years but nothing is even being done.

They are also threatened by Reflex (which is hilarious), but to be honest. Can you even blame Reflex? It's only been in development for a few months (like 7? I think) and it's already made WAYYYYYY more progress than Reborn has made in 2 years.

"When I saw the Reflex Kickstarter I was like so fucking retarded, I was angry but didn't want to say anything" (c) 2GD

He be jelly.

I don't know about that. Everything in reflex is a placeholder, including the gameplay, reflex does not have funding and its potential is way lesser than Reborn's. Also, and this will make some people e-rage but it's true, the devs are no namers with zero experience on anything FPS related, and are working part time on that. I don't see much certainty in that.

On the other hand, while it's true Reborn still is very much early in development and maybe should be more developed by now, in any case it already is funded by a company, most likely will get over $200,000 on kickstarter, is full time developed by experienced people (for example feedback comes from fox and fazz instead of zlive chat), the contacts are already made and in the end it's way harder to create new gameplay and design concepts than creating a spin off of something existing (CPM). Sounds way more certain, doesn't it.

And why would he be jelly of someone getting exactly $0, since that's what failed kickstarters get?.Or why would he feel threatened by something that is shaping up to be the next Nexuiz (anyone still remembers that? lol).

lol. your comments' absurd amount of stupidity and bias always brighten my day.

the downside of feedback from fazz though is that he liked shootmania.

Reflex is made by the guys who love arena FPS while Reborn has contracted devs who might not really understand the genre on a deeper level. Sure they follow 2GD's instructions and design they might not put much heart into the game. That's why I'm worried about Reborn.

i thought talawa is just working on the visuals. 2GD has firefrog or w.e fthe fuck his name is for the gameplay.

Can't argue against that experience!

Same or worse can be said about Reflex's :P

And that deal doesn't mean the current team will be replaced, or that they will have an active role in reborn's development. It's not like Peppy Pal's project manager will replace a quakecon finalist.

No it can't

http://bendarling.net

A much, much more impressive portfolio of work from one of the reflex devs. Coupled with newborn's already decade worth of cpma dev, I don't see how reflex can be "same or worse" than reborn's. That's just ignorant and/or uninformed.

I'm impressed. Such list of FPS and multiplayer games, all that received praise in reviews and with such programming skills and experience.

Not. You got another syncerror there and that's the biggest name on the whole list. BTW before you say "but dude he worked on that star wars game", so it's not only a list of styling mediocre games, read what he did on that job.

Oh so they got arqon? Why isn't he mentioned? Not.


What I want to say here is that they might pull off a great game, but c'mon this is their first attempt so there's no certainty whatsoever, which is what people complain about Reborn. No company in their mind would sponsor Reflex.

On the other hand, yes Reborn's team isn't that great too, but they have better people anyway and in every position, plus funding, a reputation,contacts and the desire of making something completely new. Reflex's mapper is a guy that his mapping experience is game boy advance and n-gage games, whereas Reborn at least has cityy on their side and the map making tool is going to usable by the "community" so they can contribute too (Reflex's map editor is so simple that is gimmicky)..Their leader is 2GD (might criticize him but everything he touches turns to gold and is quite experienced on the organizational and business side), plus some existing successful company, Then on what interests us, their "e-sports" feedback comes from the very best in the world for that position, plus they have the contacts so Reborn can be in e-sports events, instead of making a cpm homage that won't be in a single major lan in its whole history. Might as well stay in the half-dead QL then.


Anyway, no need to argue on this. We'll see how both do, starting from the fundraising campaign. Numbers don't lie.

it never ends. you're actually starting to piss me off.

I'm impressed. Such list of FPS and multiplayer games, all that received praise in reviews and with such programming skills and experience.

Not. You got another syncerror there and that's the biggest name on the whole list. BTW before you say "but dude he worked on that star wars game", so it's not only a list of styling mediocre games, read what he did on that job.

that wasn't your original argument, but ok.

that portfolio vs peppy pals. your pick

Reflex's mapper is a guy that his mapping experience is game boy advance and n-gage games

no, there is no "mapper guy" for reflex (where ever the fuck you got that from). everyone involved in pre-alpha pumped out almost all the maps for them

, whereas Reborn at least has cityy on their side

lol and? reflex has fjoggs and ninemil, both renowned map makers who have already put out *amazing* maps from the reflex editor, plus the rest of the pre-alpha testers who have made maps themselves, which moves me onto

and the map making tool is going to usable by the "community" so they can contribute too (Reflex's map editor is so simple that is gimmicky)

i'm not too sure i should even respond to this due to how stupid this point is. are you serious? it's simplicity is a bad thing? have you seen the maps being made in the editor? people with ZERO map making experience are making maps that could already be considered worthy of competitive play. not only that, but the editor isn't even anywhere near its final stage. fjoggs and ninemil themselves have already praised the editor, both of them are far more qualified than most to talk about any editor.

however, yes, i will agree that 2gd already has the marketing + promotion advantage. but that's it.

i will agree that 2gd already has the marketing + promotion advantage.


without this you have nothing, actually.


2gd can make a shit game or an awesome game that people will talk about it sucking his dick.

your posts are so fucking bizarre when it comes to reflex/reborn. it's like listening to an 8 year old telling you why Play Station is better than X-Box

you may say what you want but he is right.

just wait with your negative attitude till kickstarter, when James will get money he needs in 2 days. Because hes 2gd, and people know him.

what negative attitude have I got? if reborn goes to kickstarter it will be the second kickstarter I have ever pledged to (the first was refelx)

Tell me who on Reborn has a portfolio that lives up the criteria with which you are grading Reflex devs. If such a person exists, cool, look at all that difference it has made so far.

Dude you surely know how to ride that cock, do you have 2gd on your friend list already?

He would be jelly because Reflex devs have come as far as they have in so little time with money out of their own pockets.

Everything in reflex is a placeholder. This is true with Reborn as well, so there's not really a point worth making here. Reflex does not have funding at the moment but it has tons of potential for funding. Unless you're talking about it's potential to be successful in general compared to Reborn which is just, like, your opinion, man.

You can tarnish Reflex devs with their poor background but it hasn't seemed to made a difference in what they're delivering. Reflex devs have been working at a good fixed rate for a while now, while reborn...well, yeah. I honestly expect that with the backing of Talawa Games (lol about the content that company creates, though) reborn will have something awesome to deliver in the next couple months, but if they don't, then I'll have to jump on the "reborn is vaporware" bandwagon.

I also expect that Reflex will find funding shortly for them to work full time in the coming months. If they don't, I'll have a crystal of hope that they pick up the ball at some point. You probably feel the same for Reborn.

As for the feedback bit you must not have been following as memphis and fazz and a bunch of other familiar faces have streamed Reflex.

The rest of this stuff is just, like, up to opinion, man.

Like, man.

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Reborn will have a better engine atleast. Reflex is all crap ,a bad overhyped clone for cpma nerds.

And i trust 2gd to some extent ,he gets it ,oldschooler.

Uhhhhhhh, sure. And Cooller has won more major lans than evil. Plz. Kthxbye.

Had nothing to do with anything cunt,kthxseeyalaterbyelolsomg

Nother typical cooller fanboy. So butthurt cuz evil best dueler ever now.

haha

ahahahah

I think dogs are better.

Dogs can't look up.

so delusional it's almost unbelievable. have you actually even seen footage of reborn? it looks like babbys first coding project. you and megaman are fucking hilarious.

Whats wrong with the footage of reborn?

compare it to reflex and then tell me what's right with it.

I have compared them both a lot. I played a few earlier versions of the reflex alpha and I played lots of the reborn alpha.

I got the chance to duel a bit on reflex which I havent done on reborn but as far as they look in their current state, reflex doesnt have anything up on reborn apart from the fact that its further ahead in development.

Tech wise they both look like they will be great. Firefrog is doing really well and the turbopixel devs are doing equally well. They both have ambitious ideas for their games.

Gameplay wise its a matter of preference. I prefer what reborn is going for as I'm not a huge cpm fan, but I had tons of fun in reflex too and will definitely play it lots. I like that reborn is taking the good stuff from arena fps and then adding loads of new fun stuff while trying to make it competitive. Reflex is just a spiritual successor to a game I dont like that much in this genre, but one that is being made by very talented and level headed people.

Publicity wise, reflex is doing well at getting its name out there. Lots of people are finding out about it and they are getting articles written all over the place. Reborn has the benefit that pretty much everyone in esports is already aware of it from james and his esports fame. He also has esports contacts like with dreamhack and valve and such.

The only thing reflex really has over reborn is that its further along in development. I have high hopes for both games though

Do you actually have an argument for why reborn is much shitter than reflex other than "reflex is better, duh!"

Reborn seems to be unplayable right now, there is nothing to compare currently. imo

The map editor has been pretty fun and downloading custom maps. Messing around with the movement and weapon values and stuff is also good. Theres options for air control and crouch sliding and stuff you can fiddle with.

But as far as actual combat goes you cant really do much right now which is what I mean about reflex being further ahead. That doesnt make it better though as at some point reborn will be there too. Tech wise they are similar, gameplay wise I prefer what reborn have planned and publicity wise I also think reborn have the edge.

The only reason reflex looks better now is that reflex has an actual game structure sorted with duels and scoreboards and all that which isnt difficult to do, its just that reborn havent done it yet. Reflex have been much more open recently with development too (which I like).

Reborn is too early in development to say something. imo
Where Reflex got some placeholder with Reborn probably everything is placeholder :P

imo Reborn got bad timing, with earlier release it could be more successful.

i dont know shit about code i just know that if 2gd and fox approves it ,it will be good for me.
They come from a time when people knew how a game should feel and behave.

Shove babby up your ass human.

So CPMA and Quakeworld are bad in your opinion?

Reborn and better engine? lol?

Reflex devs got skillz.

They did say early on though that mods wont be something their engine will allow. That is a big downside

That's not really an issue. You can't mod QL either and no one is complaining about that, right?

Thats true, but as reflex is aiming to combine classic gameplay and modern tech, it really feels like something we should have. The map editor makes up for it somewhat but I really think mod capabilities would help the game.

I was being sarcastic btw :)

bugger

doesnt matter how reflex gameplay is. all matters are game FUTURES. Matchmaking, stats, some stuff from LOL and so on. Reborn goes in good way with new movement stuff, like teleportation and so on.

And hats

not really new movement stuff destiny has teleportation and its a console shooter xd

Its new for arena shooters, or at least, not very common

Well, UT had a teleportation device.

Also, there's shadowrun for the xbox 360.

I meant the movement ideas as a whole, not just the teleportation. Generally the things he has been fiddling with and the combination of all of them is new.

Teleportation by itself is not new I agree.

Sorry, I meant to say that Shadowrun also had a lot of different movement ideas, but somehow it was never really all that popular. I liked it a lot though.

you don't know if reborn "goes in a good way" until you see actual gameplay (someone playing somebody), at least in reflex we saw matches and we can say it's the same old shit

for what i saw in reborn vids it looks like (another) same old shit but everything is worse than reflex, and if i could have possibility to pay for reflex in current state and play duels with 16 other players i would say fuck reborn :D. but thats my opinion

Blinks, reverse time powerups, illusions, Player + wingman vs Player + wingman duels, inverted rocket splash, 3 different robot classes, potential for air control, sliding, stun pillars, and these are just some of the things we have heard him mention

How does it sound like the same old shit?

Blinking in an FPS game is a poor design choice, for reference please watch any high level UTCTF games, the teleport ability is just game breaking, and makes movement mechanics useless. Unless it has some long cool down it will be thoroughly abused, even then, the idea of immediately escaping the enemy with just the press of a button sounds unappealing.

Reverse time power-ups? Not really sure what that is?

Illusions? Seriously less effective when everyone has the same player/enemy model, and you can spray through them with mg/pg/rg. It's effective in DOTA because people can potentially waste nukes/spells, and more so are simple to manipulate due to the POV. How would you do that in an FPS? Would the illusions just follow you? (and thus give your position away) Or do they kinda swarm around you? (and thus block your fov).

Inverted rocket splash is a gimmick. It the's the difference between shooting in-front, or behind someone.

Classes, sliding, air control... that's something "new"?

First off, I didnt say they were good mechanics, I just said they imply the game isnt the same old shit..

Blinking in an FPS game is a poor design choice, for reference please watch any high level UTCTF games, the teleport ability is just game breaking, and makes movement mechanics useless. Unless it has some long cool down it will be thoroughly abused, even then, the idea of immediately escaping the enemy with just the press of a button sounds unappealing.

We dont know if he will include this or any of the others, we have just seen him fiddling around with stuff, but from what I saw, if this is in the game, it looks like a one time, powerup thing. Not spammable like the UT translocator.

Reverse time power-ups? Not really sure what that is?

He was messing around with a powerup that let you jump off a ledge, then activate it and you would reverse your movement. Its not time reversal I just didnt know what to call it. Again, its stuff we saw him messing with, no idea if it will make it into the final game.

Illusions? Seriously less effective when everyone has the same player/enemy model, and you can spray through them with mg/pg/rg. It's effective in DOTA because people can potentially waste nukes/spells, and more so are simple to manipulate due to the POV. How would you do that in an FPS? Would the illusions just follow you? (and thus give your position away) Or do they kinda swarm around you? (and thus block your fov).

The example he gave was when you need to jump across a gap to an item but you know the enemy is watching with the rail, you could send an illusion, he would shoot it, then you can jump across yourself while his rail coolsdown

Inverted rocket splash is a gimmick. It the's the difference between shooting in-front, or behind someone.

It is cool for climbing walls and I imagine it will be really cool for grouping together multiple opponents and ending them with regular rockets or something

Classes, sliding, air control... that's something "new"?

No, but hes been fiddling with all 3 from what I can tell which is new for a single game.

I think some of the crazy ideas are stupid and I'm sure he does too, but last we saw he was at a stage of testing loads of ideas out. Who knows what will make it into the final game. The point I'm making is that it doesnt look like the same old shit. I think we can count on the game being pretty different.

Reflex got more success than Reborn did, even though that isnt coming out for a while it managed to show off movement, way the game was gonna play. all of that. yes it did fail kickstarter plans but it's looking a lot better than Reborn.

Reflex might look like it's made progress but it's already doomed to fail whereas Reborn is promising and who knows might even be successful. He's not jelly, just smarter - _-

> "When I saw the Reflex Kickstarter I was like so fucking retarded, I was angry but didn't want to say anything" (c) 2GD

... but it was retarded. Maybe you didn't understand the context because you misheard but it clearly had to do with the amount of money they asked for. You have to be just as big of a delusional fanboy to Reflex as megaman3 is to Reborn to not realize that.

Hell, I pledged and I instantly thought it was retarded.

Threatened? I think you need to check your word usage because I highly doubt either party feels threatened by each other.

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure when 2GD starting talking about wanting to do Reobrn a couple of years ago he said himself that the money needed to complete the game to a high standard would be around 250k?

the sum you mentioned is true.

but hey, we all know 2gd talks a lot and delivers a lot less. reborn aint gonna make the cut.

No man, it'll be out soon, and it's gonna revolutionize the fps genre, the first ever FPS-Z-MOBA.

That doesn't mean you need to ask for it all upfront in the crowd sourcing stage. Crowd funding should be used to 'kickstart' the project not pay 100% for everything. I think this is where Reflex realy goofed, they should have asked for less to get started then went early access on Steam later and made the rest there.

who's the girl right next to 2GD ?

after you figure out her facebook and twitter accounts, definitely your future wife. i believe in you, heartless.

I would definitely drink her bath water, that's for sure.

cfgs and girls who sit in the vicinity of computers, is that all you think about hearty?

all a man needs

this game is not out yet? gl with that..

linux created linux with that amount of money, didnt it?

i thought linux was the product of torvald's master's thesis and the story went something like this: he got in contact with unix at the university, bought a pc for home use in 1991 and wanted to run unix on it?

as a professor told me, he created linux and he "had" no grant on it.

huh? i have no idea what you mean.

did he have 'that amount of money' (what amount of money), a 'grant' (for what, his thesis), money from his parents (they are on wikipedia, not poor), money from a job (no idea) or did he not have 'had' (whatever you meant by that) not anything?

see here for his first minix post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/co...RavCzVE7gJ

Thank fuck theres finally been an update. Hopes still very high for this game.

Sounds like a lot is gonna happen between now and KS.

So more talking about doing things soon... neat update.

2GD was talking about Dota2 and how there's too many people competing. It feels the same with arena FPS now, there's a good what, 10-20? or so games due out or in progress. May 2015 is a bit late for Reborn to be in the first batch. Don't get me wrong if Reborn is good enough that won't matter but games like UT4 and Reflex, etc will likely be out by then and could be building significant momentum. Not to mention all the other games which are flying more under the radar.

I think 2GD will have a better business and marketing plan than Reflex did. I also hope they use Indiegogo instead of Kickstarter so they can still get money even if the project doesn't hit the goal. Kickstarter funding is just getting worse and worse for games as time goes on. Just like Reflex they are pretty much unproven developers so until we get results it's almost meaningless to speculate. Progress has been real slow and while it seems like they have things set up now it's not a guarantee by any means. More waiting...

Most likely Reflex won't be entirely finished before 2017. In the kickstarter they said that if they could work full time on the game, so if the project was funded, then the release date was going to be December 2016. They failed so it will take longer.

Then the majority of the competition are quake clones running on old engines, so they won't matter at all. Just a bunch of warsow's.

As for the realistic names to do well and to be released before we are grandparents, like doom and UT, Reborn attracts different players than those games.


And about the kickstarter, Reborn will get at least twice the money Reflex gathered (before it failed; not two times zero). 2GD's studio is a known name and they are preparing the kickstarter well, whereas Reflex was nothing two months ago (as if PMX was known to exist by more than 10 people) and the campaign was badly run. On this regard I think it's better to hold on the kickstarter for a couple of years and secure the funding, like Reborn did and will, instead of rushing it and failing miserably.

"fuck talking about it, fuck raising money for it, fuck investment, fuck right time to announce, Reborn is 1 month in development. and its GD" -- @follow2GD 1:11 AM - 22 Jul 2012

lol.

Reflex is PMX. That's like 10 years in development.

m@d

i just want to lol right in the face of all who say reflex is so much fucking ahead of reborn. we're just not spammed every 3 days by some shit vid of it. thats exactly the marketing you use when your game is bad (look cod). you advertise a lot, just like reflex.


now, lets take a look on blizzard. they make games. and they are great. Now look on reborn development. some info from time to time, because the game is being made. and it will be good. blizzard style mofo.



especially considering if James goes to kickstarter, he will get needed sum of money in one day, not cancel the raise after a month.

blizzard sucks currently :P still that comparison is just fail.
blizzard can realise a poo and people will buy it.

I don't like that 2GD and stuff promise something and nothing happening. Like "there will be some news in August" and there was nothing etc. Still they are only promising smth, only talking.

I hope I will play reflex and reborn. I dont understand your hate about reflex lol.

reflex need more advertising because nobody knows it.
And I dont really see much hype here for Reborn.

Blizz still have good looking menus.
#fucktorchlight

especially considering if James goes to kickstarter, he will get needed sum of money in one day, not cancel the raise after a month.

This 2gd - ain't this guy known and loved by DOTA elves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu0TfpgZDTw

Basically 2GD = COOLLER

Reborn vs Reflex, War of Legends...

which UT4 will eat for breakfast ;P

grow the fuck up, and wish both projects success

Reborn, Reflex
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Who is the cute girl? :3

i watched the whole show ... and not because the guys have such interesting talks.
man i am creepy :(

o/

I opened the link just because this. Didnt even listen.










because REFLEX !

2GD's girlfriend, or even his fiancee iirc from old news feed.

WTF it's not soe?

https://www.facebook.com/jessicabrohard/photos

Can I borrow someone's facebook account, please?

can i share the borrowed one with you, please?

If I'll get some pics on imsg I will deliver!

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-x...4754_o.jpg

Is this a smile? D:

what the fuck kind of name is brohard?

last name

ITT: Dumb people saying dumb shit in dumb arguments

He really hates Reflex lol

2gd? Where?

Oh it sometimes sounds likie that.

He sounds like he hates everyone and it's kinda how it is, I guess : ))))

He just loves being a dick because he can.

its funny because he is complaining about how people in esports talk shit about each other and there is so much hate in the scene and so on .. but he himself did the same shit when he said (he didnt really said anything, he just showed his emotions) that he was very angry about the reflex kickstarter.

He wasn't angry because he hates reflex or smth. He was angry because they denied themselves any chance to success.

Yep. All these eastern euros don't get what 2gd meant to say.

He has nothing against the game - despite he could since reflex in part clinged on reborn's reputation. What he disliked is how badly ran the whole kickstarter was, especially the absurd asked amount and the lack of understanding of that being only initial funding (a kickstart). Reflex's team went all or nothing, trying to get all money and overall resources needed in only a month, which resulted in nothing.

I mean, when I read the amount and the initial lack of info that I knew it was going to fail. He must have felt the same and he knows first hand what it means to not have funding, meaning the announced reflex project - in the kickstarter pledge terms - is already dead.

Oh boy, you're a dummy :)

I was going to stir some shit up but there's enough here without me.

lol at the posts in this thread. and u delusional cunts actually think ur any better than the cod community.

Fight me IRL, fegit.
1v1

PEPPY FUCKING PALS ...u kidding me right?

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Some of them probably don't.

Aaaaaand we already have a split in the quake fps community. yay?
2 is better than 1. Just fuckin play both lawl

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Justin Bieber on Twitter: 56M followers.

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Say what you will, but the scene where you help the little owl overcome his fear of the slide is probably one of the most riveting sequences in the history of gaming.

recovered pw just to log+ you

Download Minecraft. Install Gun mod. Find pony. Ride like the wind

it kinda feels like some people are completely overexaggarting what kind of fanbase and pull 2gd has. he was a big deal in quake for sure but to me it seems like he's nowhere near as relevant in other e-sports

He has a much larger fan base now than he ever did in quake.

sure, but dota2 fanbase is 1000000x bigger than quake's. but his relevance in dota2 is nowhere near the relevance he had in quake

Nobody is saying he is the most well known person in dota because he clearly isnt. But being a well known dota caster, even if he isnt the most popular, still means that a metric fuckton of people are aware of him and his activities.

Hes got nearly 40k followers on twitter and connections with valve, dreamhack, with quake pros etc etc. You cant deny that stuff like that will really help reborn which is the point everyone is making.

It doesnt matter that he is a small fish in a big pond in dota, because the dota 2 pond is so big that it still means a huge following of people.

As weird as this might sound, right now 2GD is more popular than the quake franchise.

But again, no point in discussing this really. We will see how the kickstarter goes, so if reborn's kickstarter gets more money than reflex's then we'll see who's right and who wasn't.

>we'll see who's right and who wasn't.


THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS

i hope the reborn kickstarter fails just to make you buttmad.

He was in the TI4 discussion streams. You have to be quite relevant for that I think.

sure, but so was everyone else who did anything semi-professional around dota2. the question is, did 2gd draw any extra people to it? i doubt it

He was invited by Valve to host TI2, TI3 and TI4. I'd say that's pretty relevant.

so was everyone else who casted games 'professionally' in dota2

but he was the main host, so he had most important part.

Thats not even whats important, its the fact that he is a name known to millions of video gamers because he appears at these dota events in the first place

Whether he is the most important dota 2 caster or not is irrelevant

do you even doto?

sure. he's pretty much nobody in dota2 besides the TI, which had basicly every mid to high profile caster/hoster present. his studio isnt pulling in massive views, especially compared to other dota2 streams. doesnt help dreamleague is currently failing big time, they were struggling to get past 6k viewers and it only went up after other streams ended last night. basicly he was a big fish in a small pond in quake, now he's a small fish in a big pond in dota2. he was the hottest shit in quake casting terms but he certainly doesnt have the same kind of position in dota2, even though the absolute fan numbers might be slightly higher.

people are treating him like he's some kind of e-sports jesus with a massive personal cult following him around.. get real

he might not be the best dota2 caster but he sure as hell is the most charismatic host valve could wish for. that said, i believe he's made a good name for himself in the esports world. i know dreamleague isnt currently the #1 league in dota 2, but dont forget ingame viewers which always makes dota 2 look small on twitch.tv.

hes no 'esports jesus', but i think he knows the esport world very well and is more than smart enough to manoeuvre his way through.

also, this reflex/reborn comparing is a bit retarded. theyre both in different stages and both of them can succeed or fail just as much as any other game.

finaly some1 with some common sense.







... and also:
PRAIZE THE LORD SAVIOUR 2GD JESUS, HOLLAAARLUJAA!

yeah i was comparing the numbers with other twitch tournament streams. so people watching ingame isnt an issue.

the thing is, yes he has been part of some hugely popular things like TI, but he wasnt the main attraction (far from it) did he bring any extra viewers, who wouldnt have watched TI without james? it's not like every dota2 watcher is going "omg its 2gd i have to watch it" like it was in quake...

i wish him all the success with reborn and im not emotionally invested in either of the games like some people are, i just hope atleast one of them is a decent arena shooter and becomes popular enough to have a proper scene again.

but my point still stands, 2gd doesnt have the kind of personal cult and fanbase some people think he has

probably because 2gd was a huge deal in quake and his numbers are up, but there are loads of people in the dota2 scene with bigger numbers and more often etcetc. im pretty sure it's not far fetched to think that most of his success right now is because he's involved with dota2. people seem to think these people will instantly donate money to a completely different gametype and become involved just because 2gd is behind it, while i'd wager a guess that they are involved with 2gd because of dota2 in the first place

edit: just look at what happened with BLC, it didnt become popular even after 2gd took charge of the e-sport aspect of it and it had a ton of hype from 2gd followers and others. dota2 is hugely popular and 2gd has latched himself onto it and as a competent fellow he has had some success. but everything he has done that isnt dota2 related (the studio show, separate streams from dota2 etc.) havent had nearly the same kind of success. i truly wish reborn is a good game and becomes popular though

What you say is asinine.

You make it sound like 2GD himself must be bigger than Dota2 for not to be a failure. You sound like TheGDStudio has to pull in more views than anything else on twitch for not be considered a failure. You make it sound like his prime criteria of success is popularity and views, and that he cannot have underlying goals and ambitions that doesn't depend on it.

2GD might have a narcissistic personality, but I am not superficial enough to believe that quantifying his personal popularity by views is his only motivation. I think you need to use a more nuanced measure of success than to compare what is number 1 and what is not.

you completely missed the point, grats

Maybe you have not relayed your point properly by articulating yourself precisely.

dota2 is massively popular. 2gd is somewhat popular in dota2. he doesnt have the same kind of cult following in dota2 as in quake. 2gd and his studio hasnt been a huge success outside of dota2. everything 2gd touches doesnt turn to gold like someone said. 2gd doesnt have a huge personal cult blindly following him from game to game. he is not the e-sports jesus.

So you are not really relaying any point? You are just dismissing people's claims about his popularity and competence?

i never said he wasnt competent, i actually said the opposite. i just dont think sweeping statements such as everything 2gd touches turns to gold, 2gd being super popular in dota2 and 2gd's expertise on e-sports is a guaranteed success for reborn are necessarily true

Well I think you are exaggerating people's statements a bit to bolster your argument.

If only that is in fact the point you are trying to make, I don't think many will dispute it. I certainly would not advocate any automatic guarantee for anything, nor do I feel anyone else actually are. If so I would probably tend to interpret it as overly enthusiastic rather than true sincerity.

"everything 2gd touches turns to gold" is a direct quote from this thread, the 2gd being super popular in dota2 with "tons of fanbois who will donate to him" is from a different thread. but yeah enough of this discussion

I do believe a ton of fanboys will donate to him, not necessarily excluding myself, but with the turning stuff to gold, I too will reserve your hesitance.

What the fuck happend to the gd studio? a cooking show?

the fuck?

what is this thread about the cute girl or reborn update?

go outside you adopted nerd virgins

Just make a new Arena FPS with gun skins and good game play and I'm sorted, I don't give a fuck who gets it done.

2gd needs to post smth random on esr again, I'd like to see everyone go nuts again