I thought the guy said ProjectRIK was f2p?

But I do think F2P would be great for playerbase. All of my friends who refuse to buy reflex would at least try it if it was F2P.

But I dont mind paying, I just hope enough people feel the same way.

At the very least the devs need to charge right now to fund the development. If the game is good, people will buy it.

>But I dont mind paying, I just hope enough people feel the same way

They will not.

After all if people don't like the game nothing will help.

f2p + FPS is a very bad combo for making casual public games fun, the cheater levels will be over 9000!

f2p is good for making lots of people play the game or atleast try the game, and you could make money selling shitty hats and stuff.

So you kinda have to decide if you want to make lots of $$$ selling hats, or having a small community but probably less cheaters too (unless the game is like $10 in which case it almost f2p anyway -> csgo).

Well look what the cat dragged in, another insanely retarded and brain dead thread by no else than the master of economics and marketing hitstu NOPE fucking nemecel arguing that more people will try a free product.

Developers are not a charity organization, if you comprehended how many hours and money get invested to create and polish a product like reflex you'd know better than to say make it free to play.

Sure there are plenty of ways to keep the game "freemium" - adding hats, stats, cosmetics, et cetera, but to make everything free to play solely because LoL was a success is plainly dumb.

F2P for beta, test version, demo version - I'm all up for it but eventually you have to charge for something.

You are clueless. Have fun watching this go the same route as QL, another correct prediction by nemecel.

I always find it funny when people say QL is not F2P.

It isnt, you can't unlock the premium content with free as you can in real f2p games (lol)

Only LoL is really f2p. All other models where people can play for free are not free to play.

Does that also mean that if nobody had the ability to host servers in QL, QL would be F2P?

dota is f2p, lol is pay2win

LoL is crap anyway.

wtf dude, there isnt a single shit in LoL that you can buy that makes a difference in you gameplay -_- even runes you need to buy with gamepoints wich cannot be aquired with money only time in game.

i have to buy heroes or play a shitton tho.

you said that only lol is f2p, when really, dota is the only game that is really f2p.

if i want to install lol and play a game of captains draft, i cant because i can only select 5 heroes or something. i also cant counterpick anything with only 5 heroes.

"play a shiton" is very different than pay2win

"Free to play" doesn't equal "free" if that's what you're thinking. Google that up if you need elaboration.

I'm mainly saying nemecel is full of shit.

I don't know. He's certainly off with the phrasing, but I'd say there's a fundemental difference in that in LoL, you can buy content for points earned for playing. Even more so, you're incentivised to do that, and chances are, you want to.

And that's after the fact that QL just is a weak product you can't be impressed, or lured in by. So it hardly matters what model on paper QL is. Broken is what it really is.

And nemecel's point is learn from LoL, not from QL. I'd say it still stands.

There certainly is a big difference. nemecel puts the emphasis on the fact that you can't unlock content without paying (implying as well that this state is incompatible with F2P - which would mean even Warsow isn't F2P) but I think the fact that QL has no content to unlock is more important.

well it could

You could unlock maps, skins, models, whatever. Fucking work on that shit and give poor people the chance to unlock the game by playing a lot. Maybe that would be an incentive enough for people to play.

TF2 isn't F2P?

That first sentence isn't actually something I think.

I see.

You're really going out on a limb, aren't you?

That's two separate things you're merging - what the developers can afford to do and what model has a chance of making the game popular.

The truth is, only a F2P Reflex has a real shot, because the game has such a steep skill curve it will hardly get people playing it without the cost.

This reality can't be negated by the fact that the devs can't afford to offer it for free. Let's just hope that one day they'll be able to. If we're like "you fucker, reality is devs need money, stfu and pay", we just might miss this fact and end up with the unfortunate playerbase of 17.

polish a product like reflex

this made me literally rofl for 5 minutes.


its actually interesting debate. there are f2p games that do great earning millions every year, and theres valve. imo, if reflex actually reaches proper version, it should be decently prized, WITH free weeks or trials from time to time, for people who actually want to try it, but dont want to spend monies on this australian piece of crap.

ps. relesing pre alpha for monies was bad.

south park ?

It takes shitload of money to produce game that's gonna be f2p.

Csgo works just fine not being f2p

have you stopped to think why?

Because it's the best game in the w-


what?

because volvo is a very large car manufacturer that makes very safe cars

850 Turbo Wagon Masterrace.......

Because VAC bans cheaters and cheaters make new accounts and purchase new copies of CS:GO so they can continue cheating.

R-R-Right?

I wish ESR charged money, that way you poor fucks wouldn't be able to 24/7 spam your knee-jerk post-masturbation thoughts.

I only pay for quality lol

so they go the right way atm!

reflex is already REALLY fun to play and/or build levels for it, but nowhere near that many "casual" would stay or competitive players start competitions due to unpolished alpha-status and the lack of certain features which hopefully come as planned in the future. I am sure, that the game needs atleast 1 - 1 1/2 years to be in "public state".

till this happens it's the best to charge for the game:

1) because it gives income for the development.

2) to not let many people try the game out, which don't understand what alpha-status actually means, try the game out and leave it forever.


best way would be(and it looks like devs going this way atm):

finish the game with a small playerbase, which is eager to submit proper feedback to enhance the game. after everything what is needed( visuals, matchmaking, ladders etc pp..) is added and polished, start some hype(eventually going f2p but only if selling customizable visualization which doesn't affect gameplay is added via steamworkshop)

Indeed, i agree that the game must not be free until finished.

I agree with you, but I've talked with Relfex devs, and they can't afford to offer it for free, not at the beginning at least. I hope that they will offer later though, because this kind of game is fighting an uphill battle at the start already, there's just no way it becomes popular without being free.

there's just no way it becomes popular

Period :)

Yeah, let's roll over and die.

That's where good old demos come into play. They offer old-school gameplay, they should offer old-school demos so people can try the game. Limited to 3 maps or something, basic mapping editor (that doesn't allow the map to be saved), a big DEMO VERSION text somewhere in the corner of the screen and you can only connect to demo servers.

Now Reflex is cpm and 50 players online)
What it can be? QuakeMinecraft.
it must be f2p but now it is not ready anyway.
How to hold new players in this game?
Focus on making singleplayer levels with monsters, defragmaps.
So noobs will play singleplayer or coop then make their own maps then maybe will play duel)

To be f2p game it must be easy, polished and have a lot of advertisment, it should be updated to hold players, it must have no big rivals, it must have big dev team.

1: indie devs dont have the resources to make a game from scratch just like valve did with dota. you have to come up with a paying system from start.
2: the game is not expensive. 10 fuckin euros.
3: making a game cheap, instead of f2p will make sure that 60% of the cheaters will stay out, and autist like you memecel will stay and play lol.
4: project rik is going to be free. i know your attention spam simply stops after watching a 2 minute video, and you cannot read the comments, but pls do try in the future.

m@dboi

and that says something

Stay mad when im proved right.

You will not prove what would happen if something was free/not free.
Also it doesn't change the fuckt only trihards faggots are interested in defrag 2.0 and cpm 2.0

And what did I say? It will fail f2p or not because people is too dumb to see past MW3 and league of legends.

B-b-but the thread... Nevermind \o/

nice thread. just kidding!

no because no.

also, "people is".

also, kids and steam can f* off. adults only please and people who own a credit card. tnx.

you can keep your COD screaming prepubescent kids.

This guy ^^ :O))

Thread is garbage. Nems thought process without knowing much at all from a business perspective... Garbage.

Op should ead.

Really? you are so cheap that 10€ for a complete game with map editor, lots of community content is and is going to be too much for you? I think everybody should buy a game, and on top of that donate the same amount of money since only 3? guys are making this game...

At this point those 10 euros give you access to a paid earliest of levels' prototype, nothing more.

I know talking about a game's pricing in 3+ years -when it's ready- is just theorizing, but most likely it won't cost the same for full access as it does now. Luckily newborn could reply to this comment if he wants and straight off say: "The full game will be $10 and nothing more. Also, people that already paid for prototype access will have access immediate and automatic access to the full game without paying a penny more and won't be charged ever again".
You know he lurks ESR so not a word about the matter does say something.

Finally, by using your logic everyone should sub and donate to QL then, since it has less devs than reflex does. Do you?
More so, that would mean you think people should have donated to notch (he is the owner of one of the most expensive houses in the world), or that people should buy and donate to everyone on personal projects or that sell stuff to you. See how absurd your logic is?

You could actually say the opposite: we know that by badly running the kickstarter the reflex devs already wasted $100,000 dollars. That means there's no way they deserve donations money.

QL is already a finished game, not subbing to it essentially means you will have to sub to it eventually due to one new inconvenient restriction or another. I used to sub to it and I spent like $120 on a pro account there, but the game became more and more shit over the years and now here we have a new proper arena shooter in the works. I naturally drop my support for QL and switch over to Reflex the game of win.

I still stand by my argument that 10€ is nothing, every once in a while the game is on a discount.
Also my "donation" was more on the terms of thinking if the game feels good to you support them.

It's like you go by on the street and see hungry person, do you give them money? do you buy them food? if you do it's because you feel like you want to help. Same thinking applies here.

I don't buy stuff on pity and especially wouldn't to people that wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars.

You pay taxes though?

People that already paid for prototype access will have access immediate and automatic access to the full game without paying a penny more and won't be charged ever again.

its an unplayable mess with a shitty netcode and no curves and textures on the maps, when they fix these i will buy it

What picmip do you play on in QL?

5, but its more pleasant to see downsized textures than seeing everything grey.

those are meshups no textures are ingame yet, and there is no news are the curves even going to be implemented ;)

You can already do curves, no problem:

http://i.imgur.com/rxLm9TC.png

http://i.imgur.com/YVQLASl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wfDz318.jpg

Those aren't patches though.

Those aren't lazy mapper curves, no.

How can that simple architecture be rendered at 30fps?

L-l-l-l-lighting 'n shit
Welcome in 2014

Because it suffers from lactose intolerance

csgo?

It's a pipe dream really, there's no doubts in the developers mind that the game would fare far better if it was f2p but given their financial situation there wouldn't be a game if it was f2p for 2 years or so till release.